Full Show Podcast: 10 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Newstalk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. It's just been
announced the Chinese premiere is going to be visiting the
country on Thursday, first time since twenty seventeen. Todd McLay,
Trade Minister on that, Scott Watson is back before the courts,
the Court of Appeal this time. We're going to speak
to a reporter there and in New Zealand has canceled
all flights to New Caledonia until the end of September.
So House of Travel on.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
That, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
So this morning, the White Tallmall District mayor was asked
on the radio how the Tekawiti community feels about the
death of the ten month old boy at the weekend,
and he said, the community have sympathy for the people
who knew the child. What they have sympathy for the
people who knew the child. Is that really what the
community feels, sympathy for the people who knew the child.

(00:56):
This is not a criticism of the mayor. The mayor
has got to answer a question like that, honestly, but
why wasn't the answer? Do you know what? The community
is furious, angry as because a little boy who can't
feed himself or probably even stand or talk because he
is that small, has just died because of violent, violent,
blunt false trauma which the police do not believe is accidental.

(01:19):
And actually, to the wider point, are the rest of
us furious about this? The rest of us angry about this?
I am angry about every single one of these stories
that I see. In fact, half the time I can't
even read them in the papers because I get so
angry about it. I start having quite dark thoughts about
what I'd like to do to certain people. I can't
bear the thought that there are adults who lay their

(01:40):
hands on kids. I mean, how hard do you hit
a kid for them to die? How hard? I have noticed,
and look, maybe I'm in imagining this, but I have
noticed that these stories do not seem to get the
media attention that they used to get. I mean, back
in the day, the car who He case was massive,
the Near Glassy case was massive. Felt like either of
them dominate the news for weeks on end as we

(02:01):
kind of just worked our way through the horror of
what was being done to kids. But the murder of
baby ruin October last year really not that big surprisingly.
I mean, this is a case, This is a horrific case.
The details of the case are horrific, and also just
the fact that nobody's been held to count and when
we there were three people in that house with that
baby that night, one of them, if not all of them,

(02:23):
know what happened. No one's been held to account. If
there's ever an example of a baby death that should
make us angry, that's it doesn't appear to have made
us angry. I mean, that's quite possible that the reason
we're not getting angry about this anymore was if we're
just getting really used to this now. It happens all
the time, doesn't it. A lot of this has happens
since Audoing ITSMITIKEI was established in April twenty seventeen. But

(02:44):
this is of course the agency that's supposed to stop
babies from dying at the hands of people who are
supposed to be keeping them safe. Since April twenty seventeen,
there have been around sixty child murders. We're something like
top three in the world for killing our own kids.
I mean, that's mental, isn't it. Anyway? As I say,
it's not a criticism of the mayor for how he

(03:05):
answered that question, but I just wanted to point out
to you that maybe our reaction as the wider New
Zealand community should not be to feel sorry for the adults,
but actually to feel really really angry for that baby
Heaver do for see Allen nine two nine two is
the text number. We'll talk to the huddle about it
later on when they're with us. It's worth pointing out
the coppers aren't talking. They're they're gonna talk in a

(03:27):
press conference tomorrow. Audoung Atomitiki's not talking about it. They
say that they are assisting the police with this, which
suggests to me that ot was all over that already.
But we will get you the details as it comes
to hand. Anyway, It's ten past four now. The government
is planning to introduce legislation this year to lift the
oil and gas exploration ban, but so far it appears
that there is no interest from any of the overseas

(03:47):
investors in coming back to New Zealand. And why would
they Because Labour's Energy spokesperson Meghan Woods is already floating
the idea of rebanning the oil and gas exploration when
they get back in.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Our members are a very strong case for at twenty
eight and see the case has been even stronger.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
Our oil and gas is not.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
Going to be a future.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
We've got to be planning for a different future now.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
John Carnegie is the CEO of Energy Resources Ulta at
Owners with US now had.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
John, Hey, how are you doing ever?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Very well? Thank you. Have you heard of any interest
from overseas?

Speaker 7 (04:19):
Oh? No, And it's going to be a long term effort.
You know, Minister Jones talks about going out and talking
to the rest of the world saying we're open for business.
He's going to have to use the full extemes of
his charm in doing that.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
If we haven't had any I mean, these guys were
elected in October, which means that it's and they made
it very clear that they would be bringing back oil
and gas expiration. If nine months on from them we
still haven't had any overseas interest, do you really think
we're going to get any It was the ship sailed.

Speaker 7 (04:54):
I don't think the ship sailed at all. I think
what's happening is that investors. And this is both the
domestic the current incumbents we're producing guests to keep our
lights on now, as well as potential offshore investors are
looking to wait to see what the actual changes are.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
So they want to see some assurance or some sort
of some sort of thing to make them feel confident.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean I guess there are two
questions on that. So they are seeing material enough changes
and then I guess the other part to that is, well,
you know, what do we think will do the job
in terms of them? Are they material enough? Well, we've
only seen detail in the pressfulness, so we have to

(05:45):
be slightly more patient. You see what comes through in
the legislation.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So John what Shane Jones? Shane Jones seems to have
landed on the solution here being if the contracts are
long enough that will give some assurance to the overseas investors.
Is that the answer long content rights?

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Oh well, I mean I don't I think. Also a
month or two ago talked about bonds.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, but he seems to have said he can't do
that because he would be there will be this this government,
this parliament tying the hands of a future parliament which
can't do well well.

Speaker 7 (06:17):
A bond could be similar to a long term contract.
I mean there is just a number of mechanisms, but
I think again we'd need to see the detail. But
the key thing is we think he's on the right track.
You know, these along lived their sets, you know they
I mean, take so we had a discovery today, it
could take up to ten years before it's even producing.

(06:40):
So that crosses how many three four are electoral sites.
That's why the sector will need confidence. I want to
see that they are going to be kept whole, that
the changes, the things, the investments they said that they
may have today are still going to be whole in
ten twenty years time. And I'd use Mawi. The Marwi

(07:01):
gasfield started producing in nineteen seventy nine, so these are
and still going and hopefully got a while left to go.
So you know, these are the long lived assets. It's
really important that we see we get investors back that
they don't think that the rules are going to change
halfway through.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
To how unhelpful O the likes of Meghan Woods at
the moment.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
Oh look, Meghan has a particular particular view and so
she's trying to change the nature of the nature of
the debate. Look, I just think that we have to
see the black and white. Let's see the deals, let's
see the let's see the legislation. Investors will make risks,

(07:49):
adjusted decisions. I'll look at the detail and they'll decide
whether or not to put money back in New Zealand
or keep it in Australia or put it somewhere else.
And I that's the thing that we are going to
be looking for, Minister, actually put suitable arrangements in place
to give investors and long lived essets sufficient confidence.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
John, you are so much more optimistic than I am.
But I'm taking some heart from it. That's John Carnegie,
the chief executive of Energy Resources ALTA or hither. You're
so very right. This shouldn't be happening to the kids.
I remember every single one of them. This one is
very close to home. It's so sad. It's time that
these people were taken to task. Don't you just want
some people to end up in the slammer in like
really bad situations, do you know what I mean? Like

(08:35):
like the proper slammer experience, Like go to the slammer
and then have the full gamut of what fun it
can be in the slammer for what's happened here anyway,
just being announced that the Chinese premiere Li Chiang is
going to visit the country this Thursday. He's the first
premier to visit here since twenty seventeen. Now, I know
what you're thinking, and it is very tempting to see

(08:55):
that as a commentary on what China may have thought
of labor, because the last time one of them visited
it was the year before labor, and then the next
time one of them visitors the year after labor, and
so it's tempting to go with the labor's fault, but
it may actually have more to To be fair, it
was a little bit of that they didn't love labor.
I mean, remember there was the Tapapa event problems, there
was an Air New Zealand plane that was turned back
when Cindy was in charge, and there was all the

(09:16):
problems with the exports at the border and all that
kind of stuff. But it actually probably got more to do,
I suspect with the Australian relationship, because that's the big
They are the big players here and remember things got
so bad between the Aussies and the Chinese that they
got the trade sanctions and all that stuff, and generally
the Chinese premiere will not visit the one without the other, right,
they'll come here and visit Australia, which is what's happening
this time. Anyway, we'll see Barry Soaper is going to

(09:37):
talk about it in about half an hour's time and
Todd McLay Trade Minister with us after five on that
sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for
business used dogs'd.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Be Jason Pine sports talkhosters with me Piney, Hello, Hello, Heather.
All right the black Caps are they going to be
able to turn this around?

Speaker 8 (09:57):
Well, they're going to have to if they want to
stay in this tournament. Saturday was a bit abject, wasn't it.
Humiliation in the hands of Afghanistan, all out seventy five,
losing by eighty odd runs. You can pick over the
bones of that as much as you like, but the
factors they now must beat the co hosts, the West
Indies on Thursday, otherwise they're not going to progress beyond
the group stages, which would be I think their worst

(10:18):
ever showing at a white Ball World Cup for certainly
for a very long time. So, look, can they fix it?
I think they can, but they don't have a heck
of a lot of time. I'd make a couple of changes.
Get Rich and Ravendra in there, get Jimmy Nisham in there,
and try and do something about the batting order that
just failed so miserably the other day. Look, they can
fix it, but I'm not one hundred percent confident that

(10:39):
they that they will in time. Unfortunately, is it the pitch? Well,
both teams have to bat on it, right, so look yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, But so the argument is both teams have to
bat on it, but some teams just expect better and
they can't handle crappy, crappy turf.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
I tell, what would have been handy would be getting
there early for a couple of warm up games to
get used to news to the conditions. That was I
think a major oversight by New Zealand cricket.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
How good are the Warriors.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
Three or three from three Bay back in the Winter's Circle?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
What is it all in their heads?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well?

Speaker 8 (11:11):
I don't know, but look you look at it and
the well, not a funny thing. But that this has
been achieved the last three wines without Sean Johnson, without
Roger to.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
The got a theory. I've got a theory that in
that little bad patch they were playing, they were forcing
their star players to play with injury and it wasn't working.
So so Sean Johnson was was injured, and was it
Egan as well.

Speaker 8 (11:33):
Egan and also Roger to Varsa Chek was wasn't wasn't
as as flash.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
As he could.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
So they had these guys on there who were really
crucial to the game, but they were injured. They were
carrying these niggles, and some of the other squads may
have known and kind of gone for that a little bit.
And when they were off, they were replaced by perfectly
fit men who did a great job.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
So when the stars come back, fit one hundred percent
fit here, if I take your theory to it, win yes,
and have and have much greater depth because these players,
the foes, have stepped in in time and in times
of need, and we'll now be there at that time.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I know nothing about sport, so you need to adjudicate
on whether my theory makes any sense.

Speaker 8 (12:11):
Can I can I let you know in a month.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh jeezu, that's annoying, isn't it.

Speaker 8 (12:16):
Well the proof of the puddings in the eating.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Me know, Piney, because I'll also be watching, I'll let
myself know if I'm right or not.

Speaker 9 (12:24):
Geez, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Finey, Thank you very much appreciated. That's Jason Pine's sports
talk host. He'll be back at seven o'clock this evening.
It's full twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Hey, I don't know if you saw this footage last week,
but Peter Costello, the chairman of nine, was caught on
video by I think it was a journo from the Australian.
He said, the journo fell over. Well, the journal journo
doors did what we call in the industry at doorstop
where they he bowled up to Peter Costello at the
airport started asking him questions. A nick minute, the journo

(13:02):
fell over and Peter Costeller was like, hey chapped. But
if you watch the video, Peter Costello, the chairman of mine,
totally drops shoulder and gives them one with the shoulder,
which causes him to fall over. Well, anyway, guess who
quit today, Peter Costello, because you can't go around assaulting
people like that on video. I mean, if you assaulted
them without the video, might have kept his job. But
the video was a bit of a slam dunk. So anyway,

(13:23):
Oliver Peterson's going to talk to us about that around
about fifteen minutes hither. You're dead right, This killing of
toddler's is appalling and prevalent in New Zealand. New babies
should stay in hospital for a week or two where
the parents can be assessed as suitable by the medics,
and the toddlers and the parents need to be checked,
often randomly by qualified people, maybe like Plunket. I mean,
it's okay, so Bill, Bill, you've obviously not called up

(13:45):
on how clogged up the health system is because that's
not possible anymore. It's not the old days. You can't
have mum rolling around in the bed for a week,
as lovely as that would be. But Bill makes a
really good point, right, there are all of these agencies
when you have a baby who're all up in your
grill checking that everything is okay. Like Plunkett comes around,
like I ask you if you're getting the bash from
the husband? They do. They literally ask you if you're

(14:06):
getting the bash from the husband. Strip the baby down,
have a look, see if there's any bruises and stuff.
Right Where was Plunket? Where was Plunket in this? And
if Plunkett can't get into the family, surely that's a flag,
a red flag, Like, surely there should be red flags
all over the shop. If ot is involved, surely that's
a red flag. It just seems to me like we've
got like, there's no good having these It's no good

(14:27):
having these guys turning up to my house. I'm perfectly
capable and doing things. Okay, no good than spending all
of the energy on me. You to spend the energy
on these people, by the looks of things. Anyway, listen,
after five o'clock, Scott Watson. We need to talk about
Scott Watson because he is in court again this year.
Oh sorry, this year, I mean this week. He's in

(14:48):
the Court of appeal. He's trying to argue that his
conviction was unsafe for two reasons. Now, I reckon the
reason that that is The most compelling of the two
is that he doesn't look anything like the guy who
Olivia I Hope and Ben Smart went off with. Two
witnesses say that that guy had long, scraggly hair. But
if you look back at photographs of Scott Watson on

(15:08):
the night and so, it's not like something he's done
to his hair after the fact. Right, it was on
the night the photo was taken. It was New Year's Eve.
He's got short, dark hair like what doesn't even match
the description anyway, there's an eyewitness identification. Am I allowed
to say this? I'm gonna say it anyway. I do
reckon he did it?

Speaker 7 (15:25):
Eh?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I reckon? He might have a solid case here on
this one. He's got an eyewitness identification expert in court
to make his case for him. Catherine Hutton is a
quite an experienced reporter who's sitting through this wab A
chat to her ten past five and just get her
take on whether the evidence is as compelling in court
as it is in print. Headline's next no.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see Alan Drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as
it'd be, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
After five o'clock, we're going to have a chat to
the Trade Minister, Todd McLay about the news that the
Chinese Premiere will be here in the country in just
about three days time, first time since twenty seventeen, which
probably represents a falling in the relationship between China, Australia
and New Zealand because he's doing a little tour of Australasia.
News just then from the post cabinet press conference the
Prime Minister's holding at the moment, Chris Luxen, has announced

(16:28):
that he's asked the Public Services Commission to launch an
independent investigation into those allegations of illegal data sharing from
the census and the vaccine data at manyere Wimurai, which
involves the Maori Party in the allegations.

Speaker 10 (16:42):
I've also asked the inquiry to examine agency's management of
actual or perceived conflicts of interest. If the allegations are true,
the way data could be so easily shared between organizations
through people wearing multiple hats would be of great concern.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
The Prime minist sources says depending on what the investigation
throws up, there could be further consequences.

Speaker 10 (17:01):
The PSC inquiry announced today will pull the various lines
of inquiry together and ensure the necessary independence, provide confidence
to the public around the findings. The actions to date
by agencies and the new steps announced today are about
establishing the facts of what happened. We will consider what
further action might need to be taken once that phase
is complete.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
All right, well took to barri soape about it. He'll
be thus shortly twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
In a major surprise, French President Emmanual Macron has called
a snap parliamentary election, apparently because his Renaissance party has
done pretty badly at the European elections today.

Speaker 11 (17:39):
The rise of nationalists and demagogues is a danger for
our nation. Yes, the far right is both the result
of the impoverishment of the French and the downgrading of
our country. So at the end of this day I
cannot act as if nothing had happened to them.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
The Aussie government has opposition rather has clarified it's got
no plans to pull out of the Paris Agreement. And
this has come about because Opposition leader Peter and Dutton
said yesterday he won't meet the current Governments submissions targets
if he gets back into power, But Deputy Opposition Leader
David little Proud has said today the Coalition is still
committed to meeting Australia's Paris targets.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
We won't have a linear pathway.

Speaker 11 (18:16):
There will be a ramp up at the end in
US achieving that goal of natzero by twenty fifty.

Speaker 12 (18:22):
We just don't need to achieve it by twenty thirty,
which is what this mob's trying to do.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
More with Ossie Correspondent Oliver Peterson shortly and finally remember
the days the old School. A graduation ceremony in Oklahoma
has finally gone ahead after a fifty year postponement. It
was originally this is a graduation ceremony. It was originally
for More High Schools class of seventy four, but it
was cut short due to a tornado warning and the

(18:46):
school just never bothered to reschedule. So some of the
alumni decided to organize a rain check with the school
for the fiftieth anniversary of their senior year, and they
finally graduated over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind forland.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Business, Oli Peters and six pm per life presents to
HEYLI get ahead, mate, Daniel Andrews's got a gong.

Speaker 9 (19:07):
Oh, I mean to turn it up.

Speaker 12 (19:09):
This is a complete and utter joke and the way
that this has been politicized in this country just makes
a complete mockery of the King's Birthday honors. Don't forget
that this labor government here in Australia, Anthony Aberneze, he
wants Australia to become a republic.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
He does. He wants to abandon the idea that we're
part of the monarchy.

Speaker 12 (19:27):
And here are some captain's choices to promote Daniel Andrews
and Mark McGowan, of course, the former Premier of Western
Australia with the highest King's Birthday honors. This is like
that moment when Tony Abbott decided that he would give
Prince Philip at the time a knighthood here in Australia.
This is a complete and utter joke. Honestly, it's reverberating

(19:48):
around the country today, but that they've been given these
honors because they're so polarizing, and it's from the group
from the government that doesn't even want to acknowledge the
King or acknowledge the money, but.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
He still has I mean, he's still even if he
doesn't want to be involved with the king and stuff.
Here's the prime minister of a country that hands out
these gongs on King's birthday. He's got to play the game.

Speaker 9 (20:08):
So why doesn't Gladys periotically and get one, or.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Well for that matter, point I see it so largely
it's about the politicization given the mates.

Speaker 12 (20:17):
And what about Anastasia Palichet than in Queensland because she
kept all the hospitals for Queenslanders. The thing that gets
me in this as well, which is just you know,
sort of.

Speaker 9 (20:25):
Getting into the weeds.

Speaker 12 (20:26):
But mart McGowan over here, right, he got it for
quote eminent service to the people in the Parliament of
w WAD, to public health and education and to international
trade relations, Heather, Our hospitals have never been worse.

Speaker 9 (20:38):
So public health get cool. You shut the damn border.

Speaker 12 (20:41):
You didn't let dying relatives come in and meet their
you know, their their sons or their daughters, or their
grandparents or their grandmothers.

Speaker 9 (20:47):
Like this is just almost a sick joke.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
And I do find the politicization of this needs to
be taken out of the hand.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Can we agree Daniel Andrews sucked at the job as well.

Speaker 9 (20:57):
Big time? As Neil Mitchell said today.

Speaker 12 (20:59):
If he it's this, then every single Victorian should get
an Order of Australia for putting.

Speaker 13 (21:04):
Up with him.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, fair point. Hey what about Peter Costello though, I mean,
that was obvious that he would have to quit eventually.

Speaker 12 (21:10):
Big time now, you know, obviously I worked for six PR.
Nine Entertainment Company is the owner of this organization. But
absolutely Peter Costello had to go, he really did. I
mean that video sort of speaks of itself, doesn't it.
On Thursday and Canberra Airport. He still claims he never
pushed over Leam Mendez from The Australian. Obviously they have
a bit of a disagreement. He says he fell into
a little pole that was there. But Peter Costello had

(21:32):
no other choice, he had to leave. And obviously nine
Entertainment Company, the owner of our radio station, has been
under the microscope in recent times. Obviously the former news
director of nine News, Darren Week, leaving the organization, and
there are some big issues at the moment within the organization,
which is the host broadcaster of the Olympics in a
few months either. So oh, it's an interesting time. Let's

(21:54):
just say putting it mildly within the organization too.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Right now, what is the Coalition government actually going to do?
Is it going to stick to the emission's targets or not.

Speaker 12 (22:02):
I think they gave themselves a bit of wriggle room
on the weekend and then saw the news poll this
morning that's put Labor and the Coalition out fifty to fifty.
So all of a sudden, Peter Dutton consents a narrow
path to victory here, unlikely victory. It must be set
at the election next year, and he's tried to walk
it back by sending David Little Proud out today. So
effectively they're saying they're still committed to achieving net zero
by twenty fifty, but they don't think they'll achieve the

(22:24):
twenty thirty targets that they've set for themselves in the
twenty thirty five targets at the Albaneze government signed up to,
so they're trying to give themselves some wriggle room on that.

Speaker 9 (22:32):
I think it.

Speaker 12 (22:33):
Paves the way as well here for the nuclear option
that Peter Dutton and David Little Prowd want to explore.
I though think all of a sudden this is going
to not reverberate very well around the nation because he's
trying to pick up some of those Teal seats Heather
that obviously were converted at the last federal election.

Speaker 9 (22:49):
He can say goodbye to them today.

Speaker 12 (22:50):
If he's going down a pathway of saying no to
twenty fifty into the Paris Agreement, there's Buckley's chance of
picking up any of.

Speaker 9 (22:56):
Those seats, some of those out of seats.

Speaker 12 (22:58):
Absolutely, But this is like we've got a great political
discussion now to have in this country whenever that elections
called in. I actually think after today's news, Pol Anthony
Albinize's going to go before Christmas, He's going to call
this sooner.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Other learning Jaez Okay, I like that. I'm going to
remember that, Olie, and we'll hold you to that prediction.
That's Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenter just saying
good as he went off this. He's up for the challenge.
Hither there are no checks at ten months of age.
My baby boys ten months old got checked at six
months and then not again at twelve months. So I
actually vaguely remember that to be the case. But if
they're a prop, Listen, nobody goes from six months being

(23:30):
an awesome parent to ten well, I mean, we don't know, Like,
let's be clear, we do not know who's responsible for
the baby. Let's put it like this, for the death
of the baby. A baby's not a happy, bubbly baby
in a safe environment at six months, and they're not
at ten months unless something significant changes, like the location,
and you know who's caring for them. You know what
I mean, So you can generally see the signs. Listen.

(23:51):
Carpety MP is in trouble with the media for the
cost of his Wellington apartment. This is National MP Tim Costly,
well named Costly. He lives in Why can I now
that's only fifty eight k's away from Wellington, right, But
he also has a flat in Wellington which he uses
when the house is sitting. And so he does the
thing that many MPs do where he owns the flat
and then he claims the housing allowance like rents it

(24:13):
back to himself and the taxpaer picks up the tab.
It's thirty six four hundred dollars a year.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It sucks.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I had it too, but it's within the rules. Okay,
this has been done forever. Bill English did it. It's
just what happens. Prime Minister does it as well. Now
that's obviously not what he's in trouble for, because everybody's
doing it, and everybody has been doing it for ages.
What he's in trouble for is doing this claiming the
thirty six thousan four hundred dollars a year when he
actually lives close by, right, he lives in why can
I fifty eight k's away? But hang on a tick,

(24:39):
let's be fair about this. Driving from Wellington to why
can I can take your forty five minutes on a
good day sixty minutes plus on a bad day. Now,
on a sitting day as a backbencher, he's there anywhere
from seven thirty to eight thirty in the morning all
the way through to ten o'clock at night. Now you
cannot seriously expect him to get in a car and
drive an hour either side of the day but get

(25:00):
home after eleven o'clock at night and then get up
being the cast six thirty in the morning or seven
thirty in the morning. I mean, that's crazy, Like that's dangerous.
So obviously he needs a place to stay in Wellington.
Fair enough for him to stay in Wellington. I don't
like the rules, but thense are the rules. Unfortunately, as
far as what I'm trying to say is, I can't
see this guy's done anything wrong. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
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Speaker 3 (25:24):
Thirteen away from five Barry So for senior political correspondence
with US Barry, Hello, good afternoon. Here's the Public Service Commission,
the right agency to do this inquiry into the allegations
around the Marti Party.

Speaker 14 (25:33):
Well, yes, I think from a government perspective it is
don't forget. You've got the police, the Privacy Commissioner, other
agencies like Stats New Zealand, the MSD and even more
looking at this issue now, both concerning the censors and
the immunization for COVID. So the Prime Minister says the

(25:53):
public has got to have confidence in the electoral system
and the information they provide in confidence.

Speaker 10 (25:59):
Here the inquiry will cover all relevant government agencies, including
Crown entities, and this inquiry will run concurrently to the
investigations run by the agencies and will not compromise the
processes or the investigations that the Police and Privacy Commissioner.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Already have underway.

Speaker 10 (26:15):
Here'll be further announcements this week on the terms of reference,
the timing for the inquiry, as well as the independent
reviewer who will lead the process. I just say New
Zealanders must have confidence that the data they provide to
government agencies or others acting on their behalf is used
appropriately and is subject to adequate protections.

Speaker 13 (26:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (26:35):
So he wasted no time in getting back, didn't it.
He said we will wait to see when he was
in the Pacific, He'll wait to see what happens with
these other inquiries. But he's decided that, Look, the issue
is big, It's an enormous issue, and so it really
has to be put.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
To Allegations like this cut to the heart of our confidence. Yeah,
cuts to the heart of our confidence in elected members
as well, right, so least interest. So to clear this up,
what do you make of the Chinese premiere arriving here
on Thursday?

Speaker 9 (27:04):
Well, can we blame.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
The little period where they didn't turn up and visit
us at all between twenty seventeen and now? Is that
because of their attitude towards Labor or is that more
because of the relationship that they had with Australia.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
No.

Speaker 14 (27:18):
I think it probably had a lot to do with
the relationship they had with the government, because there were
very little visits on a trade mission perspective to China
when Labor was in power, and they see that New
Zealand is now serious. We've had a few ministers up
there with trade missions. Todd McLay was standing alongside Chris

(27:41):
Luxen and basically the Premier Lee is coming here, but
he said there will be a number of announcements on
Thursday and Friday. So clearly the announcements have already been
worked out between the Chinese and the New Zealand government.
It always works that way, so so expect that on

(28:04):
Thursday and Fronday, and then at the weekend the Prime
Minister's off to Japan. Everyone's traveling at the moment pretty
expensive on the old taxpayer, but we've got to get
out there or a tony country at the bottom of
the Pacific. So he's leading a thirty five member trade
mission to Tokyo and he'll be there next week and
I think that's a good thing for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
A bit of a coup for the ACTS Party to
get Paul Henry speak, don't.

Speaker 14 (28:28):
You think, Well, yeah, it came at you what they
call a change makers rally. Those that attended it paid
fifty bucks ahead to go to it here in Auckland
and they got a pretty good turnout. Of course, no
ACT event now would be complete without a poke at
National because they want to see themselves as being totally

(28:51):
independent of the National lead government. What David Seymour said
that our allies and government have said they get that'd
get faster decisions if they didn't need to consult ACT.
But he said they don't only need fast decisions, they
need better decisions. So these you poke at National, Well,
if you listen to the guests, guest speaker Paul Henry,

(29:14):
he left them in no doubt as to where his
loyalties lay. Not that National, not that we had any
confusion because he once stood for the National Party. But
with ACT, he says, they're not afraid of change, even
if it means upsetting a few voters.

Speaker 15 (29:29):
I think this country is deeply in the shit, and
I think the options to leverage ourselves out of the
shit are becoming increasingly limited, largely because the people willing
and capable of doing it are few, and most importantly
because so many good people just cringe inside and say

(29:52):
nothing as matches are lit to incinerate more of New Zealand,
which we used to stand for, which used to be
in when people globally you still look at this country
in envy. I believe act could be the last cab
on the rank heading the right direction.

Speaker 14 (30:12):
Yeah, well you go put his hand touches.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
I missed that man from our stores and our ways.

Speaker 14 (30:19):
Don't you. I think he got carried away with the
Indian minister dick shit because now that.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
You don't need to revisit that, because I've got some
opinions on that actually, and it would largely exonerate Paul
Henry Hey just really quickly is and I don't need
it in great detail because I have just outlaid the case.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
But it's not a crime for him if he lives
in Carpety. And why can I to have a flat
in Wellington?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Is it?

Speaker 14 (30:42):
No? No, of course it's not. He owned the flat
in Wellington seven hundred bucks a week. Yeah, are the
taxpayer is paying for it because he's letting it to himself.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Which everybody does well, this is though.

Speaker 14 (30:53):
He's in commuting distance. If you look at the Inland
Revenue No, Inland Revenue Department divines, Well, can I just
say what the official.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Miner is before anything that's reasonable?

Speaker 14 (31:05):
Can I just say what the official liners Inland revenue?
The charges are taxes. They say between fifty and eighty
kilometers for each leg of the journey is commuting distant.
And many people in the carpety commute to Wellington. So
he's if you're like double dipping and away. He's got
a house and why can I a very nice one

(31:27):
apparently in a nice flat and Wellington. Now he's getting.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Seed at night?

Speaker 14 (31:33):
Oh, Heather, I mean a lot of backbenches. And I
heard you say that's start after seven and eight in.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
The morning when they have meetings.

Speaker 14 (31:42):
Oh, for goodness sake.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm cutting off your mic by Barry Soaper seven away
from five putting.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 16 (31:52):
Breakfast, the government is reversing our band on oil and
gas exploration. Minister for Resources Sharing Jones's back with us
the legislation later on this year. Why can't it be quick?

Speaker 1 (32:01):
At what's the hold up?

Speaker 17 (32:02):
Obviously we had to be very careful as to how
we made the announcement because they are share market implications
and we want to get this right because if you
go back six years ago, Megan Woods, we're seeing the
gi Minister in the history of Western civilization and Jacinda
Rush this court ONCET and I unawares, and we don't
want to repeat the error. So take the time to
get it right and boost the desirability of New Zealand

(32:24):
as a further destination for international capital.

Speaker 16 (32:27):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk ZV Heather.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I work fourteen hour days like that MP, Tim, and
I'm very tired afterwards. If I was then to drive
home fifty eight k so well, I'd be putting other
road users at risk of no problem with him claiming
the dollars. That's from Ben Barry said as he was
walking out of studio not quite finished, not quite finished,
as you can imagine, walked out of the studio set
rolls need to change.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I just wonder if maybe the rules do need to change.
They might, because this whole thing just feels a bit yucky,
doesn't it. Anyway, there's a question for another day.

Speaker 18 (32:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
The question for today is how long can you sit
in a cafe after you finish your snack? And the
reason we're asking this is because a Hawk's Bay journal
called Mark's story. Who's like a senior journe not just
like a winging gen Za. It's like a code, like
a deputy deputy editor or something, you know, like respectable.
It is respectable. He's written a piece about the fact
that he got kicked out of an aper cafe after

(33:19):
he'd had his Brioshi and as flat White. He finished
them and he was still there, like in the period
from ordering them to being told to leave was an
hour that was his a lot of time. At the
hour mark they said can you please leave? There were
tables available. Now I would have thought that having somebody
in an empty cafe, having somebody there's surely a good
thing to make it look like that's a bit jazzy. Anyway,
we'll talk to Martin Bosley read restratur about that about

(33:41):
twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather due to Celum Drive with one, New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Just an hour ago, it was announced the Chinese Premiere
Lee Chiang will visit New Zealand this Thursday. It is
the first visit by the Chinese premier since twenty seventeen
and marks a significant shift from our relationship with China
under the last government. Todd McLay is the Trade Minister.

Speaker 18 (34:15):
Hey Todd, Hey Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm very well, thank you. What Chinese business is going
to read this visit as a signal that they can
have confidence in the relationship between China and New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (34:24):
Well, yes, I think they will, as New Zealand Business
is sure. It's a very long standing relationship. In fact,
it was sort of ten years ago this year we
signed a comprehensive strategic partnership around trade with China and
we've seen our trade grow from strength to strength, almost
forty billion dollars in two in both ways now and
so it's a very important economic relationship and I think

(34:45):
the Chinese premier coming here underpins the importance of that
to the two economies.

Speaker 12 (34:50):
What have you guys got planned from Well, he will
be in Wonnington and then other parts of the country
as well.

Speaker 18 (34:58):
There will be formal meetings with the Prime Minister and
a number of things were working through. You can normally
expect announcements around areas to cooperate all steps forward. But look,
I want to leave that for the Prime Minister in
the premiere to do later in the week.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Why was there that gap of seven years without a visit.

Speaker 18 (35:16):
Well, I think it's probably a range of things. I mean,
I was in opposition for all of that time, so
you know, I didn't have too much input, but I
suppose we also had COVID through the middle of that.
But since the change of government last year, there has
been an increase in contact and engagement. I've been up
to China for meetings with my counterparts across portfolios. In fact,

(35:36):
I've had two meetings with their Commerce minister, who's the
equivalent of trade. The Chinese Foreign Minister has visited here,
we meet with the Prime Minister with St Peters and
I and we've just had another minister from China down
as well. So you know, it's clear to say that
there's a lot of engagement going on, and you know,
forty billion dollars with a two way trade. That's very
important for us to you know, keep that relationship open

(35:58):
and keep talking Todd.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Some people are reading it as if the Chinese had
got the pip with the Labor Party, your predecessors, but
I just wonder, I mean, that may have been part
of it, but I wonder if it actually is more
of a reflection of the breakdown and the relationship between
Australia and China.

Speaker 18 (36:11):
Well, I think it was certainly clear when Labor first
came to government. It took quite some time for them
to be a visit and then you remember Prime Minister
of Doing went up there and was only able to
go up for a day. And look, probably that was
as much to do with a new government working out
what to do domestically. But it doesn't matter whether it's
China or the US, or the European Union or India.

(36:32):
You know, small country like New Zeala needs to keep
investing in those relationships. We can't just assume that you
know that people will buy from us or governments will
know where we are. And so I think that's why,
you know, it's very very important as visit is taking place.
I don't think it is to do with what's happened
in Australia. And you know we've seen the Australian Chinese relationship,
particularly in Trader over the last period of time, you know,

(36:54):
strengthen and get back to an agree of normaloity.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Todd beast of like enjoyed the trip. That's Todd McLay
Trade Minister.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Together due for Celis.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Scott Watson is back before the courts to Clara's name.
Scott Watson has spent the last twenty five years behind
bars after being found guilty for the murders of Ben
Smart and Olivia Hope in nineteen ninety eight. Open Justice
reporter Catherine Hautton has been at the Court of Appeal
hearing and is with us. Now, Hey, Catherine, Hello, how
are you. I'm very well, thank you know. He is
fighting to Cleara his name on two grounds, isn't he?
What are they?

Speaker 7 (37:21):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
Two grounds. Firstly the ESI evidence, which is essentially the
heads that were found on the blanket of Blade. And
secondly the photo montage. And this is how Watson was
identified or Wallace I did the taxi driver. Wallace identified
Watson and it's an infamous half blink photo where his
eyes are sort of half closed.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Right on the DNA stuff the hair. Are they going
to reprise the same argument, which is that there's some
sort of a contamination that's happened here.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
We think so, yes, now we haven't got to that.
Today's they was about the photo montage. Tomorrow is about
the ESI evidence, which is actually the eight witnesses that
we've got left to hear from this week. Yes, they've
got a new forensic scientist report from a name called
doctor Sean Doyle which says that an actual fact he
cast out on whether the heirs are actually from Olivia.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
The misidentification claims that the second part that they're arguing
that seems compelling, is it as compelling in court?

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Well, today the Crown Council spent most of the Stuart
Bakers spent most of the day actually basically putting holes
in their report. So it was written by two eyewitness experts,
Dr Gary Wells and doctor Adele Quigley McBride, both of
whom spoke to the court today. And I suppose it

(38:41):
was the case of not too much. What the report
said is what it didn't say. Now, the report concluded
that Watson's identification or had little or no privative value.
But what they're saying is, well it didn't that. What
the Crown is saying is well, there's significant holes in
the report. And I mean to give you one example.
They said. They talked about how Olivia's sister that, oh sorry.

(39:05):
They talked about how the so I've just lost my place.
They talked about how Haylen Morrison could only I had
only identified the man from behind and said that he
had long hair, and yet he couldn't identify him on
a montage. Well, the Crown says, well, how could you
identify someone from a photo if you never saw them
from behind, if you only one from behind. So things

(39:29):
like that, I suppose they spent the day kind of
arguing what the what the report had concluded?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Why was he not in court today?

Speaker 7 (39:37):
By the way, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
He has chosen not to appear and he is not
appearing by AVL either.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Okay, Catherine's so good to talk to you. Thank you
very much for that. That's Catherine Hautton, the Open Justice reporter.
Either the guy sitting in the cafe may have been
sucking the guts out of their Wi FI. I would
ask him to leave after an hour or two he's
not homeless regards Charlie, I mean that's a you know,
the the definition of homeless is so broad in this
country right now, you never know you might have been homeless.
The top issue for the country top issues, rather the

(40:05):
top five issues for the country, according to the latest
EPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor are as follows. Crime is
up big time. Now this is not the number one issue.
I'm just telling you that crimes up big time because
that's a trend that we're seeing. It's gone from being
fourth to being second. It is a key issue for
thirty five percent of us. So this is how it
goes in order. Right Inflation is still number one by
a stretch. Sixty percent of us say that's the biggest

(40:28):
problem we're facing. Crime second, that's thirty five percent. Healthcare
and hospitals in line in third with thirty one percent.
I'm pleased to see that because I feel like too
many people are too complacent about the way that the
singer's breaking down. That's not what we should expect from
a first world country. Housing comes in at fourth twenty
nine percent. That's slipped from the second place. And rounding
out the top five is the economy with twenty seven percent,

(40:49):
saying that that's a concern now not so flash for
the government in this particular, EPSOS monitors issues monitor. It's
been driven a grade out of ten of four point six,
which is pretty much what they came in in November
or October with four point six. They are still on
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So this has been getting a little bit of chat,
hasn't it. A man got tossed out of a cafe
for staying too long. The man was, unfortunately for the cafe,
a reporter, so he wrote about it. He'd had a

(42:16):
breoshe and he'd had a coffee and then after an
hour the n aper cafe told him to leave. Now
here's Mark's story and he was on with Kerry this
morning and he said that he decided to write about
his experience in order to kick off a discussion about
whether an hour is long enough for a customer to
outstay their welcome.

Speaker 19 (42:31):
I think to put a time limit on it that
boils it down a bit too far. Because you know,
I didn't use any salt and pepper. I don't have
sugar in my coffee and I don't use the restroom,
so save the money for toilet paper. It's so paid.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Got in touch with the cafe. They didn't respond to
a request for comment. Rish return Martin Bosley's with me now,
hay boss, hey, how you don I very well? Thank you?
What do you reckon? Would you have kicked him out
after an hour?

Speaker 6 (42:56):
You know it's a tricky one, isn't it? Like what
was it after an hour? No way for an hour?
But I mean I think you've got it. You know,
it is real estate we're talking about, right, and it
is a business. It's not a public space. So different
cafes are going to have different sets of house rules.
I mean, I know in Australia it's really common there
on their menus to say that they expect the table
to be vacated within an hour of you're finishing whatever
it is you're eating or drinking, and make it quite

(43:17):
clear on a lot of their sort of house rules
as it were. You know, and you know you might
be using the toilet, might be plugging your laptop to
use their power. So I think it's kind of common sense,
but etiquette, you know, it's the place is empty and
there's hard anybody around. You're not you know, you're not
causing any problems, right, and I think you'd be absolutely fine.
Cafes want people, and the people are attracted to busy
places people sit and am having people sitting in there.

(43:40):
But I think if you're if you're sitting there and
you lector you haven't done anything, you have a board,
anything for at least an hour, and there's people coming
in clearly wanting the tables, and I think, do the
right thing, back up your stuff and go. But I
think you should probably buy something at least every hour,
you know, after every hour and a half, at least
just to pay, just to pay the rent on the table,
which is basically what you're essentially what you're doing the side.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Why why do we feel entitled to sit in a cafe?
I mean like I wouldn't feel like I was entitled
to come around to your house and just linger for
an hour, So why the entitlement from Mark?

Speaker 6 (44:09):
And that's thingsatly right, Like it is like coming to
my house. It's like cafe is their personal expressions of self. Right,
So we opened the doors and might be wanted to
come in and see what as we're doing. But I
think some mus there's a perception that they have public
spaces and that we could do whatever you want of them.
You've open the doors, I can come in like I
do what I want. I can feed my children at
the table. I can bring my own food, bring my
own drinks. Sometimes, you know, like we just kind of

(44:29):
forget that actually it's a business, and it is like
someone's going to home and as you say, like you
come around to my plas back up and now and as,
and I'll be like I am here that your idea
anything else like your or your coat.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Now I know the things to watch out for, the
coded language, bozz, Thank you very much, Thanks mate, look
after self. Martin Bosley resta ratur very very famous restaurant
tour heither Tim Costly owns multiple properties, some of them
are in a family trust which is allowed to do it.
Takes thirty five to forty minutes to way can now
these days after say four pm, et cetera, et cetera.

(45:03):
So I think that's at the heart of it, because
I did notice that, and I was like, I was
puzzled when I was reading the story. Why all the
mention of all the properties he owns in places that
don't matter, and the value of his property, and why
can I one point five million dollars riverside? I was like,
I don't care where he lives in Why can I?
Who cares? Oh that's why, because he's a rich guy
who isn't entitled to that money. Now I understands the
old is that one, isn't it the old green eyed monster?

(45:25):
Five twenty one.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and newstalks.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
That'd be five point twenty four. Listen, I am starting
to just go back to the oil and gas stuff
that we were starting we're talking about at the start
of the show. I'm starting to get a little nervous
about whether we're ever really going to be able to
attract overseas investors back into our oil and gas industry.
When you think about it, right, the world has known
since October last year that New Zealand was back open
for business, because that is when the coalition government won

(45:55):
the election, and the coalition government had made it very
clear that when they got in I think all the
three of the parties had made it clear that they
would reverse the oil and gas ban. So since October
the world new right. Things are going to change in
New Zealand. But from what I can tell, no one
from overseas is interested in coming to New Zealand to
do the work. And frankly, if no one's registered an
interest in nine months, I think we might need to

(46:17):
start getting realistic about this. It's probably over. That ship
has sailed. You can sort of tell also by the
language that Shane Jones is using that he might know
this too, because he's talking about all of these efforts
that he's making to try to make it more appealing
for investors to come back. It's talked about bonds, now
he's talking about trying to give them really, really long contracts.
It's almost desperate stuff, because I think that he can
already see after nine months no one's nibbling, and why

(46:39):
would they nibble. I mean, Labour has already now on
multiple occasions, raised the prospect that they are open to
when they get back in nixing the projects all over again. Now,
investors around the world are going to read that right,
They're going to read that. On one hand, the current
government is reversing the oil and gas band. But on
the other hand, the next government is going to just
put it back in place again. Who wants to put
billions of dollars of investment in and then brooking from

(47:00):
labor or Michael Woods from Megan Woods from labor, coming
and ban your business all over again. I mean what
that means for us, Like you know, in the real world,
let's think about that. What that means for us is
that short of a miracle and short of some overseas
investor taking a punt on us, we are probably going
to have to make do with what we've got. Now.
That is not a good prospect. Because our gas is

(47:21):
running out faster than we thought it would. We are
facing lights out this winter because of a gas shortage.
We have been warned that. It seems to me, and
I'm sorry to say this because it's not great for
the environment, but it seems to me Huntley is going
to be a very busy girl burning all of that
coal for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
He ever do for Sellen.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
We have got just on that, by the way, and
I'm going to talk to Nicola Willis about it when
she's with us after six o'clock just you know what
it's going to take to get these people back. But
from what I understand, we've got about four or five
oil and gas business is still in this country and
we basically need to hope that they are going to
be the ones to do any further exploration or just
keep on tapping the existing fields. There are a couple

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of fields there at some fields, and a couple of
them are notable, one off the coast of Raglan and
another one off the coast of Tartanaki that we know
there's gas in there, so they can go in if
they want to. I'm just not sure they're going to
want to invest the money. But anyway, in New Zealand
has canceled all flights to New Caledonia until September. We're
going to talk to Brent Thomas from a House of
Travel about that in around about ten minutes time. NBR

(48:23):
rich List has come out today. Now I love the
NBR Rich List, and the reason I love it is
because I love seeing how well keys are doing. It
just gives me it. It gives me all kinds of
pride and all kinds of sort of like dreaming big
and thinking jeeus if the mobras can start their business
in a garage in Cambridge. What kind of other amazing
stuff is happening in a garage somewhere in this country

(48:44):
that's going to make us rich one day. I particularly
stoked about the Mobra family because they are the top
of the list right now, and they're young, which is cool,
and it's a great success story because, as I told you,
they started in a garage in Cambridge and now they're
worth twenty billion dollars. How about that? Mind lot so powerable?
Marry yourself for a Mowbray Powerball's going to be chump

(49:06):
change for the rest of your life. Anyway, we're going
to talk to one of the guys who puts this
list together, who'll be with us after half us six.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duperic Alan
drive with One New Zealand let's get connected news talk
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she dances on my m's like she might be.

Speaker 7 (49:41):
I could never get a love. I com by so
much stuff, it's a craving a lot of crush.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Nichola Willis is going to be with us after six o'clock.
I don't know if you noticed yesterday, but David Siemoll
was doing that thing where he was like, yeah, we're
going to get to fifteen percent next election, which of
course means where's that fifteen percent gonna come from. It's
not gonna come from labor? Is that gonna come from
national anyway. We'll we'll see what, We'll see how she
feels about that. I don't think she'd be stoked. Heather
really ought like maybe she just doesn't care. It's the

(50:13):
other alternative. Heather re overseas investors. After the og ban,
the oil and gas ban, New Zealand was labeled a
sovereign risk. Now that is really serious. It means the
government is not to be trusted and that is why
overseas investors are reluctant to return. I mean that makes sense, right,
You've got the whole world to throw your money at.
You're not going to take a punt unless you're some
dodgy dude who's like the rest of the world is
not going to take a punt on me. You're not

(50:34):
gonna take a punt on New Zealand if we're a
sovereign risk. Got some uber ratings for some of the
mayors you want to hear them, you plummeth what Neil
hold him? What a goody two shoes. He's got a
five out of five uber rating. I don't know what
that means. It's entirely possible that Neil is just a
perfectly polite person who everybody loves. Or New Plymouth doesn't

(50:55):
have ubers, so he's caught like one and he got
a five out of five and that's where's rating has stayed. Campbell,
Barry and lower Hut has got a four point nine
to eight, which is impressive. Gisbane mayor Rahualt Stotts Stoltz
has got a four point nine to three, also impressive.
Nick Smith of four point eight four. Now that's slightly
lower because he's spent a lot of time in Wellington.

(51:15):
They have got ubers, and he'll have caught lots and
lots of ubers and maybe even some ubers on the terps.
That generally brings your rating down. All klamyor Wayne Brown
four point seven, that's low. I mean that sounds high,
but that's low because the national average is actually four
point eight eight. Dea'esn't surprise anybody that Wayne Brown's on
a four point seven twenty three away from six.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
To ever due for Sea Ellen in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Has suspended all of its flights to New Maya, New
Caledonia until the end of September. It's because the violence
still continues. Eight people have now died. Some streets over
there are still barricaded by the pro independence protesters. Now
passengers who are booked with their New Zealand can either
have their flight held in credit or they can get
themselves a full refund. Brent Thomas is the chief operating
officer of House of Travelers with US.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Now, Hey, Brent good evening, Heather, how many people would.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Be traveling to New Caledonia between now and then? How
many people are affected?

Speaker 13 (52:02):
So it's not a major destination from New Zealand such
as fig or the Cook Islands. Having said that, there
will be a few hundred people though, who are interrupted
and who are expecting to have a holiday in the
sun through our winter but will no longer be able
to make it.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Are other airlines doing the same thing?

Speaker 13 (52:18):
Well, there's only air Caring who that flies there as well.
So we've got a situation where we've got a lack
of capacity and so people are now going to have
to think about are they going to get a refund,
are they going to rebook to go somewhere else? And
if they're rebooking to go somewhere else, places like Fiji
and the Cook Islands and I start filling up pretty
quickly given the cold with it we're now experiencing.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Do you suspect that in New Zealand may in fact
be quite happy to pause the flights because if there
aren't that many travelers it might not be that lucrative.

Speaker 13 (52:47):
Well, that's up to the airline to decide what they do.
But obviously in New Zone, and it's not their fault,
have got engine problems and so therefore they have got
a limited capacity in terms of those aircraft. So it
may be an opportunity for them to redeploy their aircraft
in a better environment. But that's something that the news
arms have to comment on, Brent.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I mean, getting your refund on the airline is one
thing and people will be stoked about that, but what
about the hotels are they refunding?

Speaker 13 (53:12):
Well, that's the situation that we're going to have to
deal with on a case by case basis as to
what people want to do and what refunds they can get,
so there's no one blanket for that and we'll just
have to deal with them as they come through. It's
obviously something that has an impact because of the Air
New Zealand decision, and so people will be looking to
work out what they can do and where can they

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go for their holidays.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Brent, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.

Speaker 18 (53:35):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
That's Brent Thomas, House of Travel, Chief Operating Officer.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
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Speaker 3 (53:43):
Results went away from six Trius Shirson on the huddle
with us. From Shirson, Willis pr and Alie Jones read
pr Hello you too, Hello good Ey Tricia. You've seen
the announcement of the Chinese premiere visiting is a big deal.

Speaker 20 (53:54):
I am seeing this as a big deal. I think
it's overall it's good news for New Zealand. I think
what it signals is the work that has been done
since the election to try and send a signal to
the world that New Zealand is open for business. The
big push is to get more foreign direct investment, and
we know we're a very difficult place to come and

(54:16):
get investment. So I think it is a really good thing,
and it is put everything else aside about China. They
are critical for New Zealand, not just in terms of trade,
but in terms of where we sit in the world.
So I think it is a really important visit.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Allie?

Speaker 21 (54:35):
I agree, But I think it's really interesting. You know,
Trich said put everything else aside about China. I think
that's the hard bit, and I'm not saying that I've
got the answers and I'm not being critical of what
you said, Trish, but I think that's always in the background,
the human rights Hong Kong to bet and so forth.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
But look, I agree with you.

Speaker 21 (54:51):
I think it is really important. I think it's particularly
important with what's going on in the Pacific at the moment,
with New Zealand being interested in the Pillar two of
the Orchest partnership. But look, you've got to have people
in the tent to have good diplomatic relations, and this
is a start with that.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Tris you were speaking about, you know, being a difficult
place to invest in. Do you think we will ever
see the overseas investors return to the oil and gas industry.

Speaker 20 (55:16):
Well, the key words I think came from your text
just before we came on air that it is hard
for big overseas investors to trust New Zealand. So you know,
even though this government is doing everything it can to
get out and hang out the welcome sign, if I

(55:37):
were a big overseas investor and I'm making a decision
about where to put my capital, I go, well, hang on.
New Zealand's got a three year political cycle. The main
opposition has said, hey, as soon as it got back
and it would reverse this. I think it's going to
make it really difficult. But you know, for me, this
underscores the damage that the labor government has done to

(56:01):
our economy and it will reverb for probably decades to come.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I mean it seems at the moment, Ali, I think
Trisha's bang on, And it seems that the only solution
that Shane Jones has landed on here is to offer
these guys really, really really long contracts. Is that enough?

Speaker 20 (56:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (56:17):
But I did hear him this morning on ZB two
and he was talking about you know, I think Mike
said to and whyn't you're doing this more quickly? And
I think Shane Jones is right. You've got to give
the world enough time to get not get used to,
but for them for the government to start to woo
them back. And that's probably part of it, is the
length of the contracts.

Speaker 18 (56:36):
I mean.

Speaker 21 (56:37):
One thing I want to say though, is I do
hope there's going to be a bit of a conversation
about the environment. You know, I'm not talking about that
one toadal that one skink, but we've got an area
off our Canterbury.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Coast that is a place where there's.

Speaker 21 (56:50):
Been exploration, offshore exploration just off our coast here, and
unless there are really robust and well resourced emergency plans
for spills or accidents, I'm really quite uncomfortable with the proposal.
And is anyone thinking about that? Is anyone talking about it?

Speaker 14 (57:06):
Like?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Is there anything that we do other than think about
the environment all the time?

Speaker 13 (57:09):
Ali?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Well, how many boats have we got?

Speaker 21 (57:11):
I remember talking about this when I was on the
christ Church City councilor a number of years ago, and
it was one of those ridiculous situations that there was
one boat I think in the entire country that could
fix or turn up at a spill if there was
a problem. So you know, I'd like to have that conversation.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
So upset my timer was going that is that is
that your ring tone?

Speaker 20 (57:31):
No, it's a timer for something.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
I was going to say. If that's your ring tone,
it would like I would panic every time and I.

Speaker 20 (57:36):
Don't even know I had set but just to.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Do not even remember what it was for. No, I
know that's point.

Speaker 20 (57:42):
It's terrible, but just to cover off these points and
it's sort of Germaine after the protests over the weekend.
It is not a binary choice in New Zealand between
progress and investment and the environment. That that's point one.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Point two.

Speaker 20 (57:57):
The major damage that happened with Labour's and gas band.
Don't forget this. They sprung that on everyone and thought
that was smart. They didn't tell the industry what was happening,
and it was one They popped up one day and
said you're out of here, and that was There was
no consultation whatsoever. So I think that also is a

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big part of why there will be a lack of trust.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
How long trust do you reckon before we convince the
world that that government and its incompetence was an aberration.

Speaker 20 (58:28):
Well, I think this government's trying to do that as
quickly as possible. But again it comes back to these
kinds of investments are done on a sort of a
thirty forty fifty year horizon to get the return back
from them. They need that certainty and what they won't
be trusted, it's hard for them to trust. We've got

(58:48):
a short electoral cycle and we've also got a labor
opposition who appear to be moving threatening to do the same,
well not only threatening to do the same, but they're
getting more cooglar but going more in my view, more
sort of anti business and anti investment. So that's going
to make it difficult.

Speaker 21 (59:07):
And there's just one thing there though.

Speaker 20 (59:09):
Look, I agree with you.

Speaker 21 (59:10):
I'm all for a reasonable balance between protection of the
environment and business right from the resources sector.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
That's absolutely a given.

Speaker 21 (59:17):
But I do not think this has just got to
be a conversation about the resources and the business and
the money. We do have to think about the environment,
and it's got to be a balance here. Where's the
conversation about making sure that our environment is going to
be protected?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
All right, we'll take a break and Tricia's just going
to take a moment to try to remember what that
time always for when we'll come back. Order to.

Speaker 20 (59:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
We're back with the hardle Trisius and Allie Jones. We've
worked out so Tricia Ovens not on.

Speaker 20 (59:43):
Well, not to my knowledge, because I can't really work.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Its running a bath and walked away from it.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Now.

Speaker 20 (59:51):
The only thing I can think is perhaps Siri during
the day has listened to me saying something and thought, oh,
I'll just pop a time.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I'm like, oh, I have to be with Heather on
the radio.

Speaker 21 (01:00:00):
I thought you were buzzing me off. I thought I
was being voted off and I'd talked too long and
there was a buzzer going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Actually, that's not about idea all introduce. That's the show.
Listen Ali on really really serious and very sad subject.
How are you feeling about the news that another baby
has died, this time a ten month old boy in Tikawitty.

Speaker 21 (01:00:18):
Yeah, we look, it's always it's always sad and tragic,
and I don't want that to sound flippant. It's just
revolting and awful. We don't know what happened, and I
don't want to talk about this case or allude to
anything that may have happened. In fact, we shouldn't anyway,
because it's now being investigated. But I don't think we
should ever get used to any news of a baby
or a toddler or a child dying. We do hear

(01:00:40):
about it far too often in this country, and I
think we may have become a little desensitized to it
because of television and social media and so forth. But yeah,
I mean, just absolutely tragic when a young child's life
is taken too soon. And look, as I said, we
don't know what happened. I would rather just and hear

(01:01:01):
what the Let's hope the police can actually do something
with this case too, because that's the other thing. Is
it going to be vexed again?

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah? Do you think, Trish, that we are getting used
to it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:11):
Here's a number for you. This in my account will
be child baby fifty eight in eight years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
So that is a really disgraceful number for New Zealand,
and it also makes you realize why we probably have
got desensitized to it, which is a terrible thing. Funny
this morning, I was pulling into the garage at work
and I heard this headline come on and you've just

(01:01:40):
feel that sick in the stomach, you know, you just
think all those every little kid in New Zealand. You
want to think that at night they're warm and dry
and they're being tucked in at bed in bedtime.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
And non scared, not scared and read a story.

Speaker 20 (01:01:54):
This is it's a real shame and it's a terrible
shame for a small town like t Equity. This will
be really felt in that community.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Well, I hope, so, I hope we all feel it
and demand some answers out of it. Allie on politics,
Tim Costley, the why CA and imp has been has
been outed for driving to Wellington, staying in a flat
in Wellington he owns, and then claiming the tax payer
money back on that. What's he doing wrong?

Speaker 21 (01:02:19):
He's not doing anything wrong if you look at what
the rules allow. I just get the impression that they're
in New Zealanders and members of the media who would
only be happy if elective members and I mean both
local and central government here got paid minimum wage and
we're just wore sackcloth and ashes to work.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
You know, let's just.

Speaker 21 (01:02:38):
And stuck us in the village green On through tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I notice what you're saying us. You're part of the collective,
aren't you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:02:44):
I am, and it is. We're constantly being accused of
earning too much or whatever, and it's a bloody difficult
job and it takes long hours. And I don't think
it's reasonable for someone or for people to expect someone
like this to commute these distances late at night and
starting early in the morning. For God's sake, let's been reasonable.

Speaker 20 (01:03:03):
What do you think, Trisha, I think it's fair that
he's doing this. I wouldn't be driving late at night
sixty k's and I know everyone goes, oh, it's only
thirty minutes. Well, you know, you just don't know at
that time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Of night, it's not thirty minutes. No, it's much longer.
I like forty five.

Speaker 20 (01:03:20):
I totally, I totally agree. You know, when Rodney Hyde
came into Parliament with Act this is way back in
nineteen ninety six, he did the big perk busting campaign, right,
and a lot of this stuff was cleaned up around
MP's and I think that is a is a very
good thing. But I pick up on Allie's point to go,
we need to make sure we're focusing on the right

(01:03:40):
things and not just these gotcha moments around politics, because
my goodness, there's some big stuff on the radar that
we should all be focused on and worried about and
talking about to write.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Hey, very quick question for you, Ali. If somebody calls
you out of the blue and they've not arranged to
call you, how do you feel about it? Do you
get cross?

Speaker 13 (01:03:57):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I do.

Speaker 21 (01:03:59):
I need to know why someone's calling me. I mean,
it depends who it is. I mean there will you know,
if one of my kids calls me at an old
time and they haven't said they're going to ring or
you know, I think they're at work, Yes, I will
worry about that. But but actually too, if I'm in
the middle of doing something really focused and then someone
rings me and I'm not expecting the call, It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
What the hell are you doing? I'm busy?

Speaker 21 (01:04:19):
So yes, it does make me a bit annoyed.

Speaker 20 (01:04:21):
Yepsh doesn't doesn't worry me. I don't I ever answer
a number that I don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:04:27):
I'd always let.

Speaker 20 (01:04:28):
That go through the voicemail. But from a work perspective,
I know that if somebody is ringing me, it's generally
generally because they need something pretty quickly. And and as
a mum, if I see the kids' names come up. Well,
you know, sometimes it's a call, you're you'll manage the
call depending on what I'm kidding no or my husband
you know again, might triage those. But normally I find

(01:04:53):
it quite useful if people want to call and you know,
cut cut to stuff pretty greatly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
All right, all right, thank you guys. I appreciate a
Trisha and Sheerson willis pr Allie Jones read PR and
explain why I asked that question? Just to tick seven
away from six?

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Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Said, be hither you had an absolute hess he fit
when Christopher Luxon was claiming back for the flat that
he owned in Wellington, he lives in Auckland. Why are
you now jumping up and down because of this bloke
that lives in Why can I from Sue Oh that's
from Sue Comma or full stop from Sue Sue. Because
Chris Luxon had an alternative, which was Premiere House, and
he chose not to live there. Quite a different story. Listen.

(01:05:45):
Nicola Willis is with us after six. I want to
ask her about what's going on with the EV charging network,
because there are some people now saying that this could
be National's key we build, because they're probably not going
to be able to build these these EV charges that
they promise. I think that's completely over the top. I mean,
for a start, most of us want to see houses build.
That's why we care about Kiwi build. But I don't

(01:06:05):
think many of us care that much about the EV
charges of very few of us actually own electric vehicles,
so it's not the same at all. Anyway, why I
was asking those two before about whether they take phone calls,
it's because the Wall Street Journal is carrying a story
about how there are a considerable number of people who
get really upset if you call them out of the
blue without pre texting, like texting to pre arrange the
phone call. They say, for some people, there is nothing

(01:06:27):
more delightful than the surprise ringing of a phone that
signals somebody is thinking of them. For others, there's nothing ruder,
more intrusive, or panic inducing than an unannounced call. You
are out of your mind and possibly not in their
life if you're sending them a text first. Phone call
etiquette has never been more complicated. Family members, co workers' spouses,
and friends can't aground whether it's okay to call someone

(01:06:49):
without first alerting them via text that you plan to call.
And they've got a case of a woman who works
in Massachusetts, director of communications for a nonprofit. She needed
to get a work task done, so she needed to
call a con a colleague really quickly. She phoned him
without texting or emailing first, and apparently he was extremely
annoyed at her. And what it is is it's the
young people because they didn't grow up with landlines, so

(01:07:11):
they're not used to a phone just randomly ringing. They
are the ones who think you need to text first.
Robert Walters asked a question in March, asked a bunch
of people whether the phone is a productive form of
professional communication? And gen z Is like, of course it
is right. Gen z Is who are born between ninety
seven and twenty twelve, Only sixteen percent of them thought
the phone was a productive form of professional communication. Can

(01:07:34):
you believe it? News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
What, what's down?

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Were the major calls and how will it affect the
economy of the big business questions on the Business Hour
with the duplicy Allen and my Hr on News.

Speaker 22 (01:07:50):
Talks MB.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Even in coming up in the next hour, we're going
to have a chat to fran O'Sullivan shortly on the
Chinese premier's visit. One of the guys who does the
nbr's list is going to be with us after half
past six to talk us through the list out today
and Gavin Gray out of the UK as well at
seven past six and with us now we have Nikola
Willis Finance Minster. Hey, Nikola, Hello, how are you? I'm
very well, thank you. Now, how much power does the

(01:08:13):
Public Service Commission have in this investigation?

Speaker 22 (01:08:16):
Well, it has powers into the Public Service Acts to
conduct independent inquiries. That means it can require information from
government agencies. It can provide oversight of their decision making
and investigate what's gone on. In this case, the two
party Maori allegations, the allegations of Manae Mudrai all relate

(01:08:40):
to New Zealander's personal information. So the concern that we
have is to ensure that government agencies have had the
proper processes in place to protect information and ensure that
any potential conflicts of interest have been well managed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Okay, So it can compel evidence from the government agencies,
but can it compel evidence also from other people involved
in these allegations, like the White pa to trust, the
Marti Party, et cetera.

Speaker 22 (01:09:03):
No, in the first instance, you would expect that to
be the role of the police or the Privacy Commissioner,
who have their own coercive powers in relation to allegations
that are made to them, should they.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Choose to use those powers.

Speaker 22 (01:09:21):
So the reason we've got the Public Service Commissioner involved
is really that we want to make sure that we've
got our own house and order as governments, which is
to say, have government agencies acted appropriately? Have they had
the good systems and processes? Is there any tune up
that's required at our end? What are the facts here

(01:09:42):
about what's actually gone on? Because protecting New Zealander's data
goes to the heart of our democratic process and we
need to make sure that if any mistakes have been
made yet, they are corrected.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Okay, So this is going to look at, for example,
if MSD just naming an agency or statistics New Zealand
acted quickly when they were first these allegations.

Speaker 22 (01:10:01):
Exactly, and also in the first place, when they set
up these arrangements, did they have appropriate safeguards in place
for the protection of people's personal information by a third
party providers? Did the safeguards work? Are there good institutional
arrangements for the way personal information is used? Was there
review to check that there were conflict if there were

(01:10:22):
conflicts of interest where they properly managed. Those are issues
that you can see matter in this case. But also
we have to be clear that if there are any
problems with processes that were fixed them for the future too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
What if it was found that any of these agencies
did not act properly and there's strong reason to suspect that,
what's the consequence.

Speaker 22 (01:10:42):
Well, in the first instance, the Public Service Commissioner would
be doing fact finding, fund those facts and then make
recommendations for what needs to change, what went wrong and why,
and then those recommendations would come to me as minister
in the first instance, I would involve other ministers and
we'd go from there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Yeah, I mean this is a tricky thing to deal with,
isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:11:03):
Well, I think we're all really conscious that there is
an independent process being run by the police and the
Privacy Commissioner, and it's not appropriate for there to be
any political influence of those independent processes. At the same time,
as a government, we do have an obligation here to
make sure that government agencies have done the right thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yeah, when you guys were considering what to do with this,
and I know that you guys thought about it a
long time, I mean clearly you did. Right these allegations
came out more than a week ago. Did you think
about the possibility that the Marti Party could turn this
into some sort of a Trumpian thing and start claiming
a witch hunt.

Speaker 22 (01:11:36):
Well, look, we're really conscious that because this involves another
political party, that we have to act really carefully to
make sure that it's not even perceived that we're acting
on this for any political reason. That's not what is
motivating us here. What this is about as New Zealander's data,
their personal information, and we do want NGOs, non government

(01:11:59):
organizations to be able to access that data sometimes in
order to deliver good public services. But if we're going
to do that, we have to be really sure it's
being used appropriately and they're a good safeguards in.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Place have any official investors indicated an interest in coming
back to do any oil and gas work here.

Speaker 22 (01:12:16):
Look, I haven't got an update on that from Minister Jones,
but I can tell you what he is very keen
in everything he can to make it easier for them
to come back. He at the weekend, of course, announced
the reverse of the oil and gas band, but in
the bill that he's putting forward, there are other changes
to address concerns that overseas investors have had with investing

(01:12:40):
in oil and gas exploration here. That's things like the
restrictions that are emplaced on how permits are allocated, things
like the decommissioning requirements and other regulatory matters which he's
seeking to tidy up to make it an attractive place
to invest.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
He wants to reprise the nineteen seventy three Mali gas contract.
Would you be up for that?

Speaker 22 (01:13:02):
Well, what I know is that we need gas as
a transition fuel if we're going to have reliable energy supply.
I don't want this to be a country where we
literally have to tell our dairy factories to stop processing
milk because there isn't enough gas for our schools and hospitals.
And that is literally, something that we are having to

(01:13:24):
contemplate a cabinet at the moment is what happens when
the gas runs out. If it runs out, who are
we going to ration and who's going to be at
the back of the queue. That's not a way for
developed country to run. So we have to be very
open minded about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's crazy that we're
in this position. But would you be okay as going
would you be up for going as far as the
nineteen seventy three mile gas contract.

Speaker 22 (01:13:44):
Well, I don't know anything about that contract either, so I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Tell you what. No, that's okay. The important thing in
the Mali gas contract is that it was for a
long time, but it also made the Crown a shareholder,
a stakeholder in a fifty percent owner. Would you be
up for something like.

Speaker 22 (01:13:57):
That, Well, I'd have to be convinced. I'd really have
to be convinced that that's necessary for the taxpayer to
make that investment. My preference would be for the private
sector to be making those investments.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Hey, how's it going with the building the ten thousand
ev charges? How many of you built?

Speaker 22 (01:14:15):
We're still coming up with the perfect model there, so
is that a night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:14:20):
No, we kept money in the budget because we do
think the government's got a role to play in building
ev charges. The Minister of Transport is coming up with
a model for how we do that co investment because
obviously we want to maximize private investment. We don't want
the government going around building ev charges that the private
sector would have happily built. So we're coming up with

(01:14:40):
a model there to supercharge that program. But we also
have another role, which is just reducing the red tape,
the regulation, having consistent standards and working with the electricity
authority or the connection costs for most matters. So Simeon's
progressing that work. He'll be reputting back to Cabinet later
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Nicholas, what are we going to do about Ussie deportations
with these guys are going to start sending people back
here who have in some cases not been in the
country as adults.

Speaker 22 (01:15:07):
Yeah, that's right, And I find this one of those
really difficult issues where just on the face of it,
to me, seems wrong to be deporting people to New
Zealand who have no connection to New Zealand, whose formative
experiences we're at Australia. At the same time, as I
think it's a disappointing approach from Australia and regressible, I

(01:15:28):
do recognize that as a sovereign country, they have the
right to implement it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
So what are we going to do about it?

Speaker 22 (01:15:35):
Though, Well, we're going to keep reminding the Australians off
the commitments made to us, which is to apply a
common sense approach to these decisions, and we're just going
to have to keep being the flea in the area,
reminding them of those commitments to us and the context
of our strong and trusting relationship and expecting them to

(01:15:55):
uphold those com up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
What about a little bit of social investment, which you're
the minister of at the border right, So, realizing that
a lot of these people will come here and they
will have not enough and not enough kind of I
guess income and whatever to fall back on, and will
therefore fool themselves into crime, maybe the social investment thing
to do would be to provide them with enough accommodation
to kind of see them through for a few weeks,
help them find a job and stuff so they go
on the straight and narrow.

Speaker 22 (01:16:17):
Look, I think there's something in that heither and it
is something that I think's worth talking to the relevant
authorities about because, as you say, if you've got people
bouncing into the country with nowhere to live, no connection
in their first port of call as the local gang,
and that's a bad recipe for everyone involved. So it
is something I'll take up with the Minister of Justice

(01:16:38):
called Goldtsmouth and see what the thinking is there, because
we all know five Oho one have reached a lot
of havoc in our community.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Too, right they have.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Hey, Nicholas, thank you very much. We'll talk to you
again in a week. Look after yourself. That's Nichola Willis,
the Finance minister. So this is that. Let me just
get you across the nineteen seventy three Mili gas contract.
So what's going on, as I said earlier, is that
we're not getting any nibbles from the offshore investors to
come for the oil and gas expert, right, So Shane
Jones is increasingly looking around to try and find what
it is he can do to kind of get them interested.
The original nineteen seventy three Maui Gas contract made the

(01:17:10):
Crown a fifty percent shareholder in the Maui field it
also committed to purchasing a substantial amount Like this is
the Crown committed to purchasing a substantial amount of gas
from the venture each year. Therefore they invest the new
Crown's involved. It's not going to dissolve. They're going to
take heaps of the gas. It's a surefire thing, right this,
according to Politic, is what Shane Jones is thinking of doing.
The trouble is he hasn't yet convinced National or Act

(01:17:34):
that they need to get on board with this. Seventeen
past six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed dupic
Ellen with.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
The Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR platform
for SME on NEWSTALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Just a reminder, we're going to talk about the NMBR
rich list in about fifteen minutes time. It's coming up
twenty past six now the Chinese premier is going to
visit New Zealand. It's the first time since twenty seventeen.
We spoke to Trade Minister Tod McLay about it. Earlier
and right now in Zidney's Business commentator Frano Sullivan's with us.
Hello friend, good evening. How significant do you think this is?

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
Well, it's very significant us for the very reason you
said there hasn't been a visit for a very long time.
More particularly, I mean really really he's coming here because
he's also going to Australia and you know, essentially they've
warmed that relationship up a bit now and the coercive
behavior that China was exhibiting towards Australia has pretty much stopped.

(01:18:29):
Normal trade has resumed and that's been something which has
happened under alban Easy. We haven't had anything like that
in our own relationship with China. We've been quite careful,
we do. Over the last few years we've taken a
much more robust approach and talked more openly about the

(01:18:49):
things that concern New Zealand resum of China's behavior for
instance in the South China Sea and more recently, you know,
issues around Aucus where essentially the government and is sort
of has taken the view that it will make its
own mind what does in New Zealand security interests and

(01:19:10):
so it's much more plain speaking now and it's taken
China a while to get used to that, and you
know it's going to be interesting. I'm picking it will
be a pretty constructive visit though. I mean, you know
they'll have.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
One of the things round that we need more than
anything right now, is investment in this country.

Speaker 13 (01:19:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Is there a direct line between somebody like him turning
up and businesses in China seeing yep, it's a stable
relationship and therefore investing in us.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Well, I think that that is very much part of it,
and there will be business optimism as a result of this.
It's not so much China investing in here, it's more
China buying our goods. That's a big thing. We do
actually have substantial Chinese investment in New Zealand, and a
lot of the Chinese investment is sort of staying home

(01:19:59):
at the moment because things have been pretty pinched there
and people have got over stretched with some of the
large companies, so you know, that sort of hauled back
of it. And one of the things China does want
is much more streamline investment. It will want to know,
for instance, you know how the government would apply a
security lens to any application by a major China company

(01:20:20):
to practice come on here, be involved with energy or whatever,
something which could significantly have a major impact in New Zealand.
So these are the things that behind scenes we talked about,
but we do expect the comprehensive strategic partnership will be
upgraded than the movements on services trade trying wants faster

(01:20:42):
visa entry. I mean it's painfully slow and it's actually
hindering tourism and New Zealand as well. So there's a
range of things. But after a very long time, and
also after having had the COVID period as well, it's
good to get this going two right, there's a lot
out there is no is the Pacific and be part

(01:21:05):
of that. Well, yeah, I think you know, hopefully the
spy is a few more years.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, dialogue is better than no dialogue. Hey, friend, thank
you very much as always, friend of Sullivan Enzimy's Business Commentator,
six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME news talks.

Speaker 9 (01:21:26):
That'd be hey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
By the way, the Marty parties put out a statement
about the investigation to party Marty welcomes the investigation. That's
all they say. To the point. To the point hither,
I'm not anti gas, but it's not the only solution.
We shouldn't sync everything into unfavorable contracts with gas companies
when other solutions do exist. People need to let go
of their emotional attachment to gas and ensure that we're
actually taking a future focused approach. What are the other options?

(01:21:50):
What are they? What do you want to We want
solar power on everybody's roofs. I mean what, let go
of the emotional attachment to gas. I'm not an emotional
attachment to gas. I've got an emotional attachment to the
power being on Hoteya as a deeply emotional attachment that
I've got deeply emotionally attached to lights, charging my cell
phone and also I don't know the heating in the

(01:22:13):
middle of winter. You text me back when we have
the first blackout this winter, and then we can have
a little cord it all about that, because that's going
to be directly related to the shortage of gas, and
then we'll see how you feel about your emotional attachment
to gas. By the way, on the MBR list, turns
out the NBR was underestimating the Mobray family's wealth for
a really long time. They thought that the Mobray family

(01:22:34):
were worth just three billion dollars and then they did
an interview with them in the last year or so
when Nick Mowbray was like, hot, our annual revenue is
three billion dollars and so they're like, oh, now, we
estimate them at twenty billion dollars. And even then they
think that they might be underestimating the mobra's wealth at
twenty billion dollars. So anyway, we're going to talk to
one of the guys. It's a really fraught thing putting

(01:22:56):
this list together. There's a lot of guesswork and stuff.
Talk to the one of the guys who was responsible
for putting the list together. He'll be with us after
the headlines, which are coming up shortly.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
I've got some good news and some bad news for Aucklanders.
If you're being naughty with your recycling, you run the
risk now of getting your bin taken away from your
Auckland Council's gone public with it and they say, if
you are regularly contaminating your recycling, then they're going to
take you bin away. That's the bad news. The good
news is are ever going to take you bad away?

(01:23:25):
Because get a load of this right, They're going to
give you three warnings. So obviously if you're doing this,
when you get your first warning, you stop right you
just push it as far as you possibly can. And
then when they give you your first warning, immediately you
stop and you start playing by the rules. Then you
be absolutely fine. But even better, not only are they
giving you three warnings, but that's after they've given you
an education period, so they're going to educate you first.

(01:23:47):
So that's basically four warnings because presumably they're going to
put like a I don't know, like a sticker on
your bin and be like, hey, this is how you recycle,
or maybe they'll send somebody around to your house to
have a chat with you about recycling. As you get
tapes of warning, heapes of warning, hepes and heat, and
if all of that fails, then you can always use
the excuse that you were the good person. But then
you put your bin out on Tuesday night, somebody must

(01:24:10):
have chucked something in there before the guys arrived on
Wednesday morning. You're welcome all of those excuses. Headlines.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather
Duplice Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,
the HR platform for SME on us Talksbee.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Get it graze with us out of the UK and
ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Do we still do this? Producer Laura? Do we still
do the one hundred miliari the thing in New Zealand?
Would you have to do? We don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Thank god.

Speaker 3 (01:24:52):
That was annoying, wasn't it. You know that thing where
they made you sort of like are you only allowed
to have liquids when you're traveling internationally? Of one hundred million?
It's been a long time since I've traveled internationally. I
haven't traveled internationally for five years, to be honest and
counting anyway, I went to Fiji. No, that doesn't count.
Doesn't count, Okay, it does. Ok So I traveled a
little bit the other day, but I can't remember. I

(01:25:13):
don't remember anything about it. She's been traveling to Germany
heaps at the time, anyway, so that's why she's the
authority on it. Anyway. You know the thing where they
made you put one hundred milli leter things in the
clear plastic bag. I was so annoying. That's gone now
except six UK airports have temporarily reintroduced this in It's
kicking in as off Sunday, as in like kind of
now wish Sunday. Their time is now as shower time.

(01:25:33):
But apparently it's not a specific threat as if otherwise,
why are you doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Anyway, Gavin Gray is going to talk us through that
when he's with us shortly. Here's another excuse for you
if you happen to get pinged by the people at
Auckland Council. Reibbin the neighbors, Heather, what about the neighbors
putting the used nappies and the expired chicken in their
neighbors recycling bins? Exactly? You can't. Can you really be
held responsible for what the neighbors do in the dead night?

(01:25:57):
I mean maybe both of their bins are full and
you'r red binner is fuls now that chucking stuff in
your blue bin? Now, that's that's a very good excuse
an argument to be using with the Auckland Council because
they have to prove it won't. The twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Seven Heather duper c La So this year's rich.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
List, the Mobra family have dethroned Gavin Hart Graham heart
brother and been I've already forgotten who he is yesterday's man,
Graham Heart. It's been named at the top of the
NBR Rich list now. Zuru, as you know, are owned
as owned by the brothers Matt and Nick Mobray and
the NBR Reckons. The estimated worth has reached twenty billion dollars.
Graham Heart is now a distant second. He's got an
estimated worth of twelve point one billion dollars and the

(01:26:34):
collective wealth of this year's list has been put at
ninety five zero point sixty eight billion, which is up
twenty seven percent from last year. Hamish McNichol is the
nbr's co editor with us now Hamish, Hello, Hey, how
are you very well? Thank you? How have the Zuru
boys managed to get this rich so fast?

Speaker 23 (01:26:53):
Yeah, it's an astonishing story and it's unlike anything I've
seen before in business, particularly when you also consider that
they don't have any external bank there. They've never taken
a loan from the bank, and they've never raised any
external capital either. They've just the whole time, they've just
any profit they've made, they've reinvested it back in the
business and they've managed to make this just an incredible
machine that's tuning out money somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Was saying to me that they've got an ambition like
something crazy, like being the next Microsoft of that. Are
they talking about that publicly?

Speaker 23 (01:27:21):
Yeah, Nick is quite open about wanting to be the
next Tesler Google Apple. So we have them at three
billion dollars revenue this year as a group, and Nick
was telling us in an interview the other week that
he wants to hit ten billion revenue in the next
five years. That's so a long way off some of
those companies, but you know, given how quickly they've grown
and how big they are already, you can it's hard

(01:27:43):
to bet against them at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
When you heard him say to you that the revenue
was going to be three billion a year, did that
shock you because you guys only had their value at
three billion.

Speaker 23 (01:27:53):
Yeah, it did we. I mean, they're a privately hard
company that we've never really got the sort of an
site that Nick gave us the other week in that
interview he did with us. I think they're at a
point now where, you know, most people know them as
the toy company, and that's a two billion dollars a
year business now, but they've also expanded and expanding into

(01:28:13):
these other areas So they've got the consumer products company,
which is things like Rascals nappies. They're making billions of
nappies a year, Monday, haircare products like that. So that
is now recording a billion dollars of revenue in a year,
and just in just six years it's grown to that size.
And now they're taking on automating the construction of property.
They've bought a twenty five acre factory in China. They're

(01:28:36):
starting to build test houses. The first ones of those
should be up end of this year, early next year.
And you know, if they tackle housing and can do
it cheaper and more affordably across the world than who know,
it's how big they can get.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Are they just really clever?

Speaker 23 (01:28:51):
I think they're really clever. I think they are really
driven and ambitious, and they're the sort of people who
don't take no, you know, are happy to figure out
how to do things their own way. I mean the
way Nick talks about the processes that they've built. Every
single component in the factories that they have has been
built in house. They just are so precise on everything

(01:29:13):
and how they put everything together. And I think that
level of attention to detail and care just goes to
show how they've got to where they are now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
Some of the businesses that you have had looked at
look at on this rich list thinking about how to
transfer their wealth to the next generation. Is there necessarily
a next generation there?

Speaker 23 (01:29:32):
Yeah, and a lot of the family So we have
one hundred and nine people profiled on the list this year,
and more than half of them are classified as families
rather than just individuals. And a lot of those families
have been there for a long time and they're sort
of onto their third or fourth generation of ownership within
the family of the family business. But then they've also

(01:29:52):
got other examples. S Mark de Naichek and his partner
Dorothy Spots with Dan and Wellington. They're donating all of
their fortune, which we esumate about four hundred and fifty
million dollars to the Nico Foundation in Wellington to giveaway.
You've got Sukataki family who we've made newcomers this year.
They came over from Japan about fifteen years ago. They've
got their still investment Vehicle which has an ambition to

(01:30:15):
invest in one hundred New Zealand companies over the next
ten to twenty years. And all of those companies and
ideas that they want to invest in are all about
one hundred year timeframes and horizons as well. So this
is thinking regardless of government, regardless of policies, all sorts
of stuff. What sort of ideas, what sort of businesses
can we back that will have intergenerational effects?

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Interesting stuff? And will there be an impact do you
think on I don't know, the property market, things like that.
As this money passes from generation to generation.

Speaker 23 (01:30:42):
Well that's the big thing, and that's what everyone is
thinking about globally as well. It's estimated that there's US
ninety trillion dollars of assets to pass down from the
baby boomer generation to the next generation over the next
ten to twenty years. And you know, if you are
below the Baby Boom generation or even younger than that,
and then you're your parents or your grandparents have built

(01:31:02):
up all this wealth and they suddenly hand it to you.
What are you going to do with it? Are you
going to put it into property? Are you going to
stop working? Are you going to invest it? This sort
of creates all sorts of questions about how people are
going to handle this and what it means for the
future of work and property and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Yeah, very interesting, Hamish, thank you for your time, appreciating
well done on the list. That's Hamish McNichol, mbr CO editor.
All right, get a load of this. Something funny going
on in christ Church re Hornby's new library and indoor
pool complex. Now this thing has only been open for
seven weeks, so let's round it up. You say a
couple of months, right, and the council won't say it's
be open, it's built, it's there. And if you go

(01:31:37):
to the council you say how much did that cost?
They got not going to tell you, not going to
tell you for a year. Why the secret where hell?
Back in twenty seventeen, the original budget was thirty four
million dollars, but then it blew out to thirty nine
point nine million dollars, so it's basically forty from thirty
four to forty. And then in November twenty twenty two
the council decided to increase the budget even more than

(01:31:59):
the forty million dollars, but they didn't say by how much.
And then last week they were asked again because it
has been like more than eighteen months, like how much
are you gon in? Like how much is it up? By,
and again they didn't want to say. They say it's
a secret, and it's going to be a secret for
another year until the twelve month defect liability period is up. Now,
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
the most likely reason that they're keeping it a secret

(01:32:21):
is blown out by a huge amount of money, isn't it.
And if people found out right now, they're going to
flip their lids. And so maybe the best things to
is keep it a secret until people have all used
the Hornby Library and in Dogpool Complex and then they
love it like, oh, it's worth it's worth paying huge
amount of money for it. The clue as to how
much it does cost is back in November twenty twenty two,

(01:32:42):
when they decided that they would increase the budget. A
couple of days after that decision, the council published a
meeting agenda so long that it stretched to four hundred
and ninety four pages, and in it, on page two
hundred and forty, they said the cost was now forty
six point nine million dollars. And then they said, oh, whoopsie, no,
that shouldn't have been in there. It's not quite correct,

(01:33:04):
not quite correct, but let's just use that as a clue.
So it went from thirty four to forty and now
it's forty seven. Not quite correct.

Speaker 1 (01:33:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I don't have a problem necessarily with a cost blowout.
These things happen. Just have a real problem with counsels
being sneaky and thinking rate payers don't deserve to know
what's going on. Sort it out, christ Church, you work
for the rate payers, Tell the rate payers quarter two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
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Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with US now even in
Gavin Hier have what do you reckon? Has caused the
swing to the right in the European elections.

Speaker 24 (01:33:48):
Look, I think migration is a massive factor for many
in Europe. They've seen hundreds of thousands of the asylum
seekers come across from Northern Africa, but also from other
places around the world where perhaps you wouldn't expect asylum
seekers to claim the need to move from. But I
think that's behind a lot of it. I think there's

(01:34:09):
dissatisfaction at the sort of way in which the EU
Parliament is operating, in the way it's run and what
it's achieving. It seemed by some to be rather sluggish
in responding to massive topics like immigration, but also cybersecurity, trade,
the response to the pandemic I didn't think was particularly clever,
and so this has been a massive story overnight. Here

(01:34:32):
the four day vote came to an end. The big
headline comes from France, where the far right National Rally
Party really trounced Emmanuel Matcron's party, the President's Party, with
more than double the number of votes to Marine La
Penn's National Rally. But also really the European Parliament now
see a big strengthening of the right wing center right parties,

(01:34:57):
with victories in Germany, Greece, poland Spain, big advances in
Hungary against the long dominant Victor Auburn, the Prime Minister.
There So the twenty seven countries all voting across these
four days at the center right will now command one
hundred and eighty four seats from the seven hundred and
twenty seat European Parliament.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
The far right, the far right.

Speaker 24 (01:35:19):
Didn't enjoy the big surge that had been predicted by
some in the Netherlands, the anti Islam populist Wilda's Freedom
Party came second, not first, but Germany's opposition Conservatives well
always going to come out top. They scored a thirty
percent of the vote. But the Chancellor Olaf Schultz's SPD

(01:35:40):
party had the worst ever result in a European election.
It came third behind the far right alternative for Alternative
for Germany the AfD party. In Spain, the center right
opposition Popular Party defeated the Prime Minister Georgia Moloney. In
Italy she strengthened her hand with a very good vote
for her, and in Austria the far right Freedom Party

(01:36:03):
on course for a narrow but unprecedented victory. In the
European vote, wherever you look, there are some surprising results.
Perhaps not the big night the far right wanted, but
a very good night for the center right and right
wing generally.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Do you think mcran's making a mistake calling the snap.

Speaker 24 (01:36:18):
Election, Well, I have to say he loves stealing a
bit of the Lime Knight in the European Union and
amongst European parliaments. So as you know, before the votes
were counted, he suddenly announced with this idea that Marine
Le Penn's National Party was doing extremely well that he
would call a snap election. Now it takes place. There

(01:36:41):
are two rounds of voting in France, the thirtieth of
June the seventh of July, and yes, you're right, that
is just a few days before the Paris Olympics. And
it looks like, I mean, his party was absolutely trounced.
But is he right to call an election. It's been
a stunning surprise for everyone. I mean, he could have
just toughed it out. He is still president for another

(01:37:02):
couple of years, but he has now lost his majority
in the French Parliament. He could have just tried to
tough it out and carry on. We've got the Euros coming,
we've got the Olympics coming. He would have been in
the spotlight if both go well for France, and spotlight
for all the good reasons. But he's taken this huge
risk and now faces well, frankly, getting things very very

(01:37:25):
difficult to get any bill through the National Assembly already
a struggle, but now losing that majority. It really is
an explosive, potentially explosive decision to make, and who knows,
perhaps in the not too distant future, we might see
Prime Minister Marine la Penn for the National Rally Party,
the far right party in France.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Very interesting stuff, Kevin, thank you so much. Always appreciate it.
We'll check you in a couple of days. It's Devin Gray,
our UK correspondent. Didn't have time to talk Togevin about
the one hundred one hundred mili liter you know, thingy
thin thing that you're allowed to the restrictions coming back
in about six of the regional airports over in the UCAP.
I've got something else for you on what you should
be aware of with your luggage. This is from a

(01:38:06):
worker at Dublin. At Dublin Airport, if you're one of
those people who likes to tie like a little yellow
ribbon or a little pink ribbon or something to the
handle in order to be able to see your bag
from whoo over there, there's my bag, there's my rabbin.
Don't do it. It can interfere with the airport's automatic
scanning systems and cause delays. Delays are the best case scenario.
For your worst case scenarios, your bag just doesn't make

(01:38:27):
it onto the plane at all. That would not be great. Also,
this I think would apply to a very small group
of people. Don't put Marsipan in your luggage because Marsipan's
density is similar to some explosives. Very small group of
people seven away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Whether it's Macro MicroB or just Plaine economics, it's all
on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for sme used talksp.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
There are benefits to having a German producer on the show,
who we lovingly refer to as the German or alternatively
the German producer or things like that, just so that
you are aware that I'm working with the German, which
is why this show is as efficient as it is
and always, you know, like on point, because nobody works
as hard as a German. Anyway, there are benefits to
having a German producer on this show because she is

(01:39:17):
the only person in my life how I can talk
to about the beauty of a marspan. A marsa pan
is a wonderful thing. But also then we can expand
the conversation to the Marsipan being the best bit of
the Stoalin, you know what I mean. And then because
I was complaining as Stalin is a very boring thing
unless you've got If you don't know what I'm talking about,
that's because you don't have a German producer and you

(01:39:37):
need to start googling this stuff and you need to
introduce is this a Christmas thing? You need to introduce
this to your Christmas Okay. But I was complaining to
her because I was saying, I need my Marsipan doll
up within my stalin to be massive, and if it isn't,
I just this boring. Why am I eating that much bread?
And then she changed my life and she said, you
do put lots and lots and lots of butter on

(01:39:58):
your stalin, don't you? And I was, it's like, what
am I?

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
So now having gone, I've literally gone. I literally threw
my mum's Christmas stollin away the other day. I was like,
I don't want to eat this boring bread nonsense. But
now I'm going to go and hunt out of stalin
in the middle of the year and I'm going to
put butter all over it because I need to experience this.
You want something, you want to share it with me?
Am I not going to fight do our daily bread?
Not do it in the middle of the winter. Okay,
well you want to go halves if I find it, Okay, yeah,

(01:40:24):
she's going halves with me. Good because their bloody expensive
as well, and.

Speaker 25 (01:40:27):
Just don't track it on the plane with it if
it's covered in muddy. Best of you by the Food
Fighters to play us out tonight. A drummer named Greg
Barton has decided that he's going to play every food
Fighter song if I made a one sitting for charity.
Decided he was going to do it, and he did.
It took him nine hours and he did and he
just went on the drums, on the drums, did drum
covers every song off every Foo Fighters album. Did it
to raise money for charity, and he raised more than

(01:40:48):
twelve thousand New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:40:49):
So very well done.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Do you have music with it or just drumming?

Speaker 25 (01:40:52):
I haven't actually watched the live stream yet, but you
can check it out. His name's Greg Barton and the
whole live stream it's nine hours long. You can put
it up on you can find on the internet too
if you want to watch the whole line.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
You'd hope to do. He did it with the with
the enthusiasm of Taylor the drummer rip.

Speaker 25 (01:41:05):
But for nine hours that would be really difficult.

Speaker 13 (01:41:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
OMG, Heather Stalin is by no means boring. No, it's
not boring now that you know, you've got to put
the butter on it. Yes, butter that butter with the
little bits of sultanate O. I'm here for that. See
you tomorrow

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
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