Full Show Podcast: 25 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.
U Stork said, be.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Do
survivors want the police to start chasing the perpetrators and
that abuse and care report? We're going to speak to one.
We're also going to go to a Canadian journalist who's
actually in Paris for just a bit of a sense
of how the Canadians are reacting to the drone cheating.
And apparently one in five young people nowadays have hearing
issues because the old headphones.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Heather Duplessy Ellen look.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
On first blush. That punishment that New Zealand is asking
for in relation to Canada's drone spying may seem a
little harsh, was actually not. I actually think this is
exactly what needs to happen. The Canadian football team should
be forced to forfeit any points that they earn if
they win the match against the football Ferns tomorrow morning,
which they probably will because they are the defending Olympic
champions and our team are ranked twenty eighth in the world.

(00:59):
But why I think the needs to happen is to
stop them, right or anyone else, but predominantly them from
doing this kind of thing again, because as I predicted yesterday,
it wasn't a one off. Turns out they spied twice
with the drone the occasion that we've found out about,
and then also three days before. And let's be honest
about it, if they're prepared to do this to a
team that's ranked twenty eighth in the world, doesn't take
a massive leap of logic to assume they'd be prepared

(01:21):
to do it to a team ranked much higher, which
actually may pose an actual threat on the field to them.
So this is not actually really about punishing them for
spying on the football ferns, although there is a tiny
element of justice there. It's really about getting them and
others to suffer sufficiently to cut out this kind of
nonsense because if you do not punish them properly, and

(01:41):
giving up points is punishing them properly. If you do
not do that, they will just keep doing it because
the incentive to to do it remains. Now it's also
actually in the best interests of the Olympics and of
FIFA to do this, to be seen to be taking
a hard line on cheats because for the Olympics, they've
got a real problem convincing audiences nowadays that the games

(02:02):
are fair when just look the Russians are back. They
had an industrial doping effort being run out of the state,
but they're back. They're just rocked up under a different flag.
Fever has got a massive problem convincing anyone that they're
not corrupt. Now the Canadians have been caught red handed
here right. The guy running the drone has been given
a suspended jail sentence by the French justice system, So

(02:22):
there is no question over whether they were cheating. They
were cheating. The only question is whether the Olympics and
FIFA are going to punish them properly for it.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Together do for c Ellen, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
To away in nine two ninety two as the text
number standard techs fees apply. Now to politics, the opposition
is joining forces to stop what they are calling dangerous
changes to the early childhood sector. Labor and the Greens
and the Maori Party and also the Union NZDI have
have joined together to say they are going to start
a tour around the country to hear concerns from the

(02:54):
public and teachers. And parents about David Semol's plan to
cut what he calls stupid rules in the sector. Anthonity
is Labour's education spokesperson, a jan Hi Heather. So, what
is dangerous about what David Seymour wants to cut.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
First of all, regulation is necessary to ensure young children
safety and the quality of education, and that has to
be put at the healf of any framework. This review
is being carried out in a really short time frame,
and we've heard from educators that they are really concerned
that their voices are not being heard. They have they've
submitted to the review, but they feel like the questions

(03:31):
in the survey were very secured. We're worried that we're
not getting to the heart of that safety and that
quality of education, and it's really important to hear all
of the the voices here or else it is going
to be dangerous. We are going to put our kids
in a really unsafe position and also our teachers in
an unsafe position.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
What rules are they planning to cut that you think
would make it dangerous?

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Well, in opposition, David Seymour talked a lot about many
of the regulation in the ECD and so that they
were ridiculous Now, one of the ones that he cited
was having to record the number of times when a
teacher put nappi rash cream onto a young child. Now,
as a parent myself, I would want to know that
information because if you're having to put that on a

(04:15):
number of times in the day, there's clearly something wrong.
And if a teacher is doing that and then that's
found out later because it hasn't been recorded, that's putting
that teacher at risk, and so it is really important.
It's not the only of course, that's just an example,
but it is something that we need to make sure
that the safety of those kids and the safety of
those teachers is put at the heart and center.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
But I don't think that's a good example. I mean,
I've got a kid who's just coming out of nappies.
If the teacher was putting a lot of nappy rash
cream on, then at the end of the day, I
would also see that there's a problem in the nappy,
wouldn't I. I wouldn't need to know how many times
it was put on. I could see with my own
eyes there's a problem.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
But you would have that conversation with the teacher at
the same time. Now, where I've recently been to a
conference we've had overseas experts. Doctor Mary Maloney was there
from Ireland. She said, you know, regulations are there for
a reason. They're there to keep young people safe and
the children safe and to ensure quality education. Of course

(05:16):
they must be fair and they must be proportionate, but
children's experiences do need to be at the center of
all of that. And she also said she's very disappointed
that New Zealand's going down this track of running the
review the way that they are, because when it is
rushed and when it happened overseas that it's been rushed,
children were injured or even in some cases there was

(05:37):
death because the review had carried out too quickly, went
too far. Can't have that well. She cited a case
in England here and that's where it has happened, so
we have to ensure it.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Why did Karl die?

Speaker 4 (05:55):
In some cases it's around that particular case was around
sleeping patterns and not not checking enough in the sleeping
patterns and the rest of the particular center did not check,
did not go in and checked because the regulations went
strong enough.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is that a rut?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
No, that's part of the regulation review that we've got
at the moment, and that's what we're just ensuring that
everybody's woices are being equally So one.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Of the rules that I would like to see cut
is one that involves country kindy in the manner We're
too right. That place was shut down briefly because it
didn't write a mission statement that was part of the reasons.
Is that a rule that you want to keep or
would you prepare to let that one go?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
So, Heather, as I've said before, and I've said this
quite publicly, I'm all for supporting to make sure that
we've got the right regulations. What I'm not in support
of is ensure rushing the review, making certain we have
to make certain that we're listening to the bite people
and all people that are.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Involved in Here's another one. David Seymour reckons that one
ECE provided God in touch with him because they got
in trouble because the first aid certificate was being hung
on the right hand side of the door, not above
the doorframe. Would you be prepared to get rid of that.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Rule if that was the rule? Now, what I am
going to say to that particular case and others like
it is that sometimes centers interpretations of regulations are the
heart of the problem, and David Seymour has actually said
that himself, not the regulations. So you know.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Jan, is it not possible. I mean, so you and
I both agree that some rules may need to change, right,
are are you guys not maybe putting the horse that
the cart in front of the horse by complaining about
it becoming dangerous. We don't even know what he's going
to cut.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
No, absolutely not here that. As I said, we're going
to make certain that all.

Speaker 5 (07:44):
Voices are heard.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
This is to add to what we're doing here. It's
making certain that people feel that their voices are being
listened to. If we can be of any support and
help in that process to make sure that the government
gets that right, then that's exactly what we will do.
Because our kids are far too important. They are little
treasures to be nurtured, and that's really important. It's obvious

(08:05):
he's a bit flustered at the moment because he put
out a pr shortly after ours. But we're taking a
prince bold approach here to make certain that our children
are right at the center and that the teacher's voices
will be heard.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Jan, thank you. Very much. Really appreciate your time.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Go Well, that's Jan Tinetti, Labour's education spokesperson. Hither it's
for the parents that don't change nappies after daycare. I
feel like the baby's problem in that case is bigger
than just nappy rash cream. What do you think. I
don't think daycare is the problem for that baby. Lord. Hey,
it looks like the Auckland mayor Wayne Brown's war on
Cones idea is catching on because good ideas do. Because

(08:40):
Wellington me or Tory Farno is now basically trying to
do the same thing. She's told her counsel staff to
have to look at it as well. She's told them
to go and look at that report that Auckland Council
did into the road Cones, which found that there was overcharging,
that was overkilled, there was an over emphasis on safety
above all ours and so on and so forth. Now,
being Tory Farno and sort of wanting to plicate everybody,
she did say, look, I still want everybody to be safe,

(09:02):
but I do want to see those costs reduced so
foot in both camps. But you know we're getting there,
aren't we. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant leap for
business used talks.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
It'd be Heather of Tory thinks it's a good idea.
That's a worry Allen. No, I thought that as well,
But then I thought Tory only half thinks it's a
good idea, so she could yet pull back and leave
it as a good idea. Nineteen past four Darcy Watergrave
Sports Talkhoasters with us. He does, Hello, Heather. So the
OLiS have started well for us, haven't they.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
I like that a positive and uplifting start as opposed
to the drone controversy. Well don't Yes, they have two
to one over Guinea. Wayne marvelous, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
That's in the football and it was a game.

Speaker 7 (09:46):
For the Olie Whites that essentially they would have been
targeting as a win. They've got it done. Great way
to start off, and of course overnight the sevens, the
means Sevens got done against Japan and the South Africans early.
So yeah, okay, the score didn't scream convincing, but not
either Japanese game yeah pretty good. Not convincing, convincing, South

(10:09):
African convincing, forty twelve Japan. I'm a rugby fan from
New Zealand. Of course I've got a high bar. So
that that was overnight. That was great, And of course
the big story overnight is that the Canadians more and
more affescing up to say, yeah, well we might have
done a little more than we said you might's whatever's neck.
I don't know what's going to come out tomorrow. What
else are they going to fesce up to. We've got

(10:29):
a legal expert on this tonight on the program, Aaron Lloyd.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
What's the legal question.

Speaker 7 (10:34):
Talking about the ramifications of this, how far it goes,
how long it takes, how serious it actually is, and
who is in charge of looking into this and unpacking
this situation?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Can I ask you a question because the complaint has
been made by New Zealand Football to FIFA and that
kind of surprised me. Why is it not a complaint
to the Olympic Committee.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
I can't answer that, but I expect that FIFA will
be riding them with the IOC. They're the first port
of call because it is the event.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
So is it these governing bodies the sport governing bodies
are governing it, even within the Olympic under the Olympic umbrella.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Well, it does affect their brand, doesn't it. They are
fief for registered teams, so that new Zewn Football have
been very quiet around this to a degree that's understandable.
I thought they'd come out and say something, but I
think they're leaving that to the powers that be that
can actually meet out some form of sanction. Didn't they
hold a press conference or punishment? I think you're thinking

(11:27):
about Auckland, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
What's his name, Bagnall Dean, what's his name?

Speaker 8 (11:31):
Andrew?

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Andrew? Didn't he hold a press conference this morning? I
think he might have. I'm going to come back to you.

Speaker 7 (11:36):
Or I don't find that. But the other thing for
me I'm interested in is then you've got the legal
side of thing with the French government, because of course
they think of eight months suspended sentence to the bloke
was responsible for sticking their drown up. So then you've
got them going held on. We've got some problems here
on a greater scale. Yeah, and that's that. So there
are so many, so many seas.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I just said at the start of the program that
they need. They actually need to forfeit the points just
an example of them. What do you reckon?

Speaker 7 (12:01):
That's a start, but how deep it goes? And once
it's been looked in and see is this something that
was a couple of rogue actors? And do the Canadian
team get punished for that? Do they punish the Canadian
football team and throw them out full stop? Do they
punish the Canadian Olympic team and a bigger scale. But
they've got to work out first where the problem is,

(12:23):
where it came from, and then apply sanctions post that investigation,
because I think if they run around throwing punishments out
but not really been completely cognizant of where the issue
came from, that might be seen as being a tad unfair.
Of course, what it is going to affect is the
players on the park, and that's both the New Zealanders

(12:44):
and the Canadian team.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
You were right, I was wrong. It wasn't football who
spoke this morning. It was Nigel Avery.

Speaker 7 (12:51):
I see you that our the New Zealand Football haven't
haven't said anyth and.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Went harder than you might have expected. Right, did not
brush us off, said needs to be done about.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
This, well, it has to be.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
This is right the very start of the Olympic Games.
And look, we know that the Olympic Games and feet
for there all pretty brown paper bag dodgy anyway, but
really for the start of the Olympic Games, and this
is the story has been bouncing around all of the
global news services. That is a rotten start. So we
opened with some good competition rugby seven's mean overnight football

(13:23):
men overnight, so a lot of action and of course
you said on taking on Canada at three in the morning.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Thank you, Darcy. Darcy will be back with Sports Talk
seven o'clock this evening for twenty three.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
The day's newsweakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather duper.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
C Allen drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected
News Talk.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Z be.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Heather is punishment for the football for the Canadian team,
why not makes them watch a replay of the New
Zealand women's team at the World Cup last year. They
I mean, let's be honest, I mean, you know, to
be fair to the football ferns, they did one time
make it into the like the quarterfinals or something, so
it's like it's not the absolute worst thing that you
could ever watch. There is a meeting today just close
to it. There is a meeting today between the food

(14:07):
ministers from Ossie and New Zealand about that baby formula
stuff right that. We discussed this on the program earlier
this week on Monday, because this is about the stupid
rules proposed for infant formula, like whether they're going to
take some of it out of the supermarket, You're going
to have to go to the pharmacy to be able
to buy this lactose free stuff, whether it all it
has to come in white tins, and so it would
be devastating to our industry. We were expecting a statement

(14:30):
on this between three and four. It hasn't arrived, so
we are standing by for that. I will keep you
posted on it. What I'm hearing behind the scenes, I'm
sorry to say, does not sound good. It looks like
we might have been rolled by the Aussies on this one.
So we will keep you posting, just waiting for that
to be absolutely confirmed. On the Canadian football cheating scandal,

(14:51):
which by the way, as Darcy mentioned, is making headlines
across the world. I saw it in the Washington Post.
It's all across the Canadian media. Ab see Australian media
and stuff. But by the way, the Australian, the Canadians,
it's all across their media because they, like us, see
themselves as the good guys, like the Canadians are actually
really nice people. So this is really goes against their

(15:12):
own self perception. So that shocked the horrified. We're gonna
go and talk to a reporter with the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation who is in Paris at the moment, will give
us the lowdown and about it how everybody's reacting to this.
She's with us ten past five. Murray Old shortly headlines next.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
Heather Dup to c Allen Drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Gathered colds the weather.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
All right, we're gonna go to politics in about ten
minutes time, after five o'clock. We're going to talk to
an abuse survivor about whether there's an appetite for actually
going hard on the perpetrators or perpetrators just for the
police to go hard on the perpetrators who are in name.
I'm not entirely sure if they're named but the perpetrators
are certainly talked about in that abuse in care are

(16:18):
report yesterday, So we have a chat about that very shortly,
it'll be after five o'clock. We seem to have a
bit of a problem coming at us with hearing loss.
And this is actually not going to be a surprise,
I suspect to you. Apparently one in five young people
in New Zealand at the moment who are under nineteen
are being diagnosed with hearing issues. And if you look
at the year nine students, a quarter of them report
having tinatus or toenitis. That's that ringing in your ears.

(16:39):
And if you have the ringing in your ears too consistently,
can it can later it's be an indication that you're
going to get your hearing loss later. On quarter of
them in year nine, it's worse than anyone's ever seen before.
And apparently what's to blame for this, and this won't
surprise you is headphones and then being up way too loud.
And I mean, of course, if you think about it,
back when we were growing up, we might have had headphones,

(17:00):
but we just didn't use them, you know, use them occasionally.
You certainly didn't use them at the rate that they're
being used now. And so if it's in your ear
all the time as a young person and it's up
too loud, well it's going to do the damage.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So anyway, we're going to talk to the chief executive
of the National Foundation for the Deaf at quarter past five,
just to find out what I mean, what should you
be telling the kiddies. They're shoving the stuff in the
airs and turning it up. Hither, it sounds like Jantaniti
is bored and just wants to go on tour. Here,
the listening to jan Taniti is making me open the
wine early. Here the thank God for jan Tineti. I
now know that I failed my UI maths because of

(17:31):
my nappy rash. Here the Taneti seems to be defending
regulation for the sake of regulation with a gut instinct
that whatever David Seymour does is bad. I'm glad she's
not part of the government at the moment. Heither, my
wife works an ECE. She hopes that David Seymour is
going to change the regulation. She feels she provides improper
care to the kids because she spends more time doing
paperwork than looking after them. I feel like the Labour
Party is making a mistake here. If this is the

(17:53):
kind of thing there are biggot issues in education to
be talking about. Then whether the Bayes are getting enough
nappy rash cream documented every time it gets put on,
do you know what I mean? And finding David Seymour
on stuff that he's planning to do which we don't
even know about yet, like feels like the wrong the
wrong attitude to take. But anyway, let's see how it
goes for them. Twenty two away from five.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Joe Biden's made his first Oval Office address since abandoning
his bid for reelection. He says he's pulled out of
the race because he believes that's what's best for the country.

Speaker 9 (18:25):
I review of this office, but I love my country more.
It's been the honor of my life to serve as
your president. But in the defense of democracy, which is
a stake I think is more important than any title.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Two ministers in the Ossie federal government have announced they
plan to retire at the next election, Indigenous Australians Minister
Linda Burnie and Skills Minister Brendan O'Connor will both step
down next year. Elbow says he's going to reshuffle his
cabinet this weekend, and he's bragged about having one of
the most stable cabinets Ossie has had in recent years.

Speaker 10 (18:56):
No government in living memory has had these cabinet and
ministerial positions for its first two years in office. Indeed,
the last time the government changed hands in this country
was Tony Abbott, and the Prime Minister didn't make it
to two years, let alone ministers in that government.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And finally, a dog in Las Vegas that went missing
for nine years has been reunited with his owner, Gizmo,
the Chihuahua tiuaha mix. Excuse me, got to get that
one right. Escape from the backyard in twenty fifteen. He's
been living rough on the streets of Vegas ever since.
He turned up at an animal hospital last week and
he had a microchip. Thank god he was identified through
that and his onnerses. It's pretty emotional. When the hospital

(19:38):
called it.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
They told me, yep, we have him here.

Speaker 8 (19:41):
We're giving him about right now.

Speaker 11 (19:43):
And I just started.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Bolling international correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of
mind for new Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Well it sounds like he was bawling as well, not
loving that bath after nine years living rough. Murray olds
OSSI corresponds with us, heymus.

Speaker 12 (19:57):
Love that story brings the tea to a glass eye, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Absolutely does Hey, So listen these guys who are retiring right,
straight up and down. Just nothing about unhappiness, just doing
the right thing.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
Well, both veterans.

Speaker 12 (20:10):
For example, Linda Bernie has been a parliamentarian for over
twenty years. She spent thirteen years at State parliament then
made the switch to Federal Parliament. Both long serving, both
members of the left faction, and we all know that
labor is driven by factions. Indeed, the Prime Minister Anthony
Albaniz he's a Lefty as well. So look surprising, perhaps not,
given the experience that they've both had.

Speaker 8 (20:33):
They've been there a long time.

Speaker 12 (20:35):
But it is time, I think, in fact it's over due.
I reckon and a lot of other people are saying
the same thing for a bit of a rejig of
his cabinet. You know, last year was bruising with the
Indigenous referendum that failed. But there's another Indigenous woman, very
very capable from the Northern Territory. She's a Senator Melan
Derry McCarthy. She's tipped to take over Linda Berney's Indigenous

(20:58):
affairs portfolio. The other big question here how extensive will.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
This reshuffle be?

Speaker 12 (21:06):
Because they've been one or two maybe more a pretty
much non performers Heather at the Albanezy cabinet table. So
it's going to be very interesting to see how big
he goes.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Well, is Andrew Giles in trouble.

Speaker 12 (21:20):
Well, that'd be very interesting. I mean they are joined
at the hip. They are apparently besties. And you know,
to me, I hand on heart, I've never ever heard
of Andrew Charles. He'd never made a murder, he had
risen without a trace, as they say, and I've never
heard of the fellow, and here he is.

Speaker 8 (21:36):
Apparently they are besties.

Speaker 12 (21:37):
I don't know if they have sleepovers or whatever, but
I'll be interested.

Speaker 8 (21:41):
It'll be very interesting. Indeed.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, okay, we'll keep an eye on that one.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
So how much longer does Bruce Lehman want before he
has to pony out the cash?

Speaker 12 (21:47):
Not sure, because he had a lawyer in court today
the Federal Courts, indicating that he wants to appeal against
that two million dollar judgment from the Federal court. He
wants to go to the full bench of the Federal
Court and say, listen, I shouldn't have to pay a
Network ten two million dollars after his failed defamation case

(22:07):
for its part. Network ten says, listen, you've got to
give us a couple of hundred thousand just, you know,
to be going on with as an indication I suppose
of security if nothing else. The Court's already been told
mister Luhrman quote is a man of modest means unquote. Well, hello,
you don't need a rocket science degree to tell you that.
And interestingly he too, you may have heard of this.

(22:29):
The woman he allegedly rate Britney Higgins, has reported him
been forced to sell the home she bought in the
South of France with that two four million dollar payout
to help fund the legal action that's been pursued by
the former boss.

Speaker 8 (22:43):
Of Britney Higgins, Lenda Reynolds.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interesting, all was very complicated, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Now?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
They managed to get that surfers league is it washed ashore?
Have they managed to stitch you back on?

Speaker 8 (22:53):
That was what we heard only a couple of hours ago.

Speaker 12 (22:55):
There's a a great family friend who has posted on
social media that, yeah, look the surgery's over.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
And this young fellow, Kai McKenzie.

Speaker 12 (23:04):
Twenty three years old, apparently tough as nails, tough as
hob nail boots this kid and look he lost his leg.
He managed to surf for sure, and there's the leg
washes up alongside him.

Speaker 8 (23:15):
They whack that in an eski full of.

Speaker 12 (23:17):
Ice and they fly both leg and the previous owner
of the leg down to Newcastle. Now that's obviously extremely
extensive surgery, but the latest social media posting from this
family friend said, look he's stable and resting after surgery.
It's going to be some days, maybe a bit longer
until doctors know if they've succeeded or not.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh jeez, well, best of Like, hey, thank you very much.
Mars appreciated the murray Olds Australia correspondent. Hither, my son's
got the same problem with the headphones. But it's actually
not the headphones because back in the day, women only
spoke when they were spoken to, and now they're constantly screaming.
Women have been wanting to scream for generations. Let me
tell you that they've just got the financial independence to
be able to scream it. You know, there is a
bit of a scandal, by the way, not just in

(23:58):
the football at the Olympics, but there is another skin
in the Australian Olympic swimming team because one of their
coaches turns out has been helping a swimmer from South Korea.
So this guy, Michael Poulfrey, is one of eight Ossie
swim coaches that they've taken over to Paris to help
the team, and gets busted by Australian media standing in
his Ossie uniform at the side of the pool giving

(24:20):
an interview to South Korean media in which he says
that he hopes the South Korean swimmer Kim Woomn wins gold.
But in order for Kim woman to win gold, he's
got to beat two Ossie swimmers, Elijah Winnington and Sam
Short who you would assume that the Aussie like, why
is the Aussie swim coach not rooting for his own swimmers,
Why is he rooting for the South Korean guy? He's
been training the South Korean kai, it turns out, while

(24:42):
taking his money from the Australian swimming team. Anyway, the
Ossies are flipping out about it. They've been having a
series of late night meetings in the camp try to
figure out what to do, presumably whether he should even
stay or not. So this one's off with a bang.
This Olympics game Olympic Games, by the looks of things
coming up.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Quarter to m politics, credit, check your customers and get
payment certainty.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Listen, I don't know if you remember this from a
few years back, but I've been warning you about Tamara
or te Why right, We've got I'm gonna explain what
that is to you in a minute. But but what
I need to tell you is we've possibly got one
of the first case of why this actually is the
big problem that we were being warned it was. Now
what to mona to? Why is? It's a concept that
David Parker put into the National fresh Water Statement, so

(25:25):
it basically applies to the whole country now and tomnaw
with their y basically lets local EWI wherever they are
in the country decide how water is managed in any
in their local part of the country. Looks like it
could turn into quite an expensive problem in Otago specifically,
because that is the area that there's some leaked information
coming from and if it's a problem in Otago, it's

(25:45):
going to be a problem elsewhere. So have a listened
to this. The local ewi is night Tahoo. In Otago.
Night Tahoo gets to decide what temana or uai means
in Otago. They have taken quite a radical position. Apparently.
What they've decided is that no water from one body,
from one water body can be put into water in
another water body. So for example, I've been told of

(26:06):
a vineyard that takes water from one stream, uses the
water for whatever, I don't know, irrogate whatever, and then
puts the water into another water stream when it's finished
with it. They can't do that anymore. They're gonna have
to change how that works. That will cost the money. Also,
no water that has passed through a human body, apparently,
according to the Naita who can be returned to a

(26:26):
water body. So for example, if you've done your wheeze
and you flushed it down the toilet and it goes
off to get treated perfectly clean water, you can drink
it probably probably if it's done properly, absolutely fine. But
now can no longer be put into the local stream
because bad juju or whatever. Anyway, FAED farmers. This is
going to affect farmers in a big way because they
are going to be the ones who are going to

(26:47):
bear the brunt of it. But so a local rapayers
FAED farmers have gone public with us. They reckon there
are two small otargo towns. The cost to just those
two towns will be more than one hundred and ten
million dollars, which means fifty thousand dollars per rate player
in that town. We're going to speak to Federative Farmers
after half plus five about that with me right now.

(27:08):
We've got Jason Wall's political leaders to Hey, Jason afternoon.
Hother in light of that massive report yesterday, is the
government going to review any of its policies?

Speaker 13 (27:15):
You know, there were some interesting comments by Erica Stamford today.
She's the minister that's been in charge of this report
and basically just having a look at that exact question
in terms of the government's current legislative agenda in light
of that report. Now, the government has received a lot
of praise this and the last government actually have received
a lot of praise for the report and the work

(27:35):
behind it, but there have also been a number of
questions raised by critics, including this one by the Greens
that was raised in the House yesterday.

Speaker 14 (27:42):
And to get really real and frank, what that means
and what survivors this morning told us is that that
means no military style boots camps.

Speaker 13 (27:54):
Let's have a question and more of a statement actually,
and it's they say that it's basically tone deaf for
the government to roll out the pilot of this program
this weekend when the report has just been tabled. Now,
Chris Luxen was strongly pushing back on the insinuations being
made by the Greens.

Speaker 15 (28:10):
Well, I want to be very clear about that, because
what we're proposing is something very very different. Having read
the full accounts, I've read all the eighty one accounts
of the individuals, and I've.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Read the five case studies of the.

Speaker 15 (28:21):
Senders as well, and what we're doing is something very
very different.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
That was about unvetted staff.

Speaker 15 (28:26):
We have in this case senior psychologists and two social
workers working with ten young people consistently.

Speaker 13 (28:31):
So his argument is that this is just too crude
of comparison from the opposition. It's not apples to apples.
But the wider question does remain, how much does the
government need to change its current plans in light of
the report. And here's how Stamford responded to that question
on the Bridge run today.

Speaker 16 (28:48):
The Royal Commission makes a number of recommendations about around
quite wide ranging structural organizational change and a lot of
legislation change, and we will take a look at those
in due course.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
You except the need there would be there would be
a need for wide changes.

Speaker 16 (29:07):
They as well be a need for wide changes and
legislative change. But we haven't considered yet all of the recommendations,
but we will do so in good faith over the
coming months.

Speaker 13 (29:17):
So she hasn't and she wouldn't go into specifics here
as to what those quote wide changes might be. But
the timeframe, she said, is in the coming months. But
so that means don't expect to see something like a
one to eighty on the boot camps for example.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Jason very quickly, because I only have about forty five seconds.
But what's going on with child poverty numbers?

Speaker 17 (29:34):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (29:34):
Geed okay, I'll try and get it in a quick
amount of time. So essentially the government has come out
or the Greens have come out swinging saying it was
the government that they've they've quietly watered down the child
poverty statistics, and this was kicked off by Ricardo me
Mendez March in the House and it was essentially a
battle about the numbers here. Now what the numbers it
comes down to is that the previous government's child poverty

(29:57):
reduction target was nine percent. However in the last time
we saw the report that number was up to twelve
point five percent. Now this government has is not doing
the nine percent target that the government had, but it's
actually doing an eleven percent target. So technically, yes, it's
higher than the last government, but also technically the last
government wasn't going to meet this target at all. So

(30:19):
it's a bit of jiggery pokery going on in the
house here. In terms of those numbers, I thank you.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
You did that in forty five seconds. Yes, it's quite impressive.
I appreciate it. Jizing Wolves, political leader in for Burry
Sooper coming up seven away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 11 (30:35):
Plaice leaving the new Health Commissioner is Willison.

Speaker 18 (30:37):
We've got a hundred and stirty million and overspend. We
needed fiscal control and we need to be efficient to
refector out the resources we currently have.

Speaker 11 (30:46):
Let's keep this as simple as we can. Are there
fourteen layers of management.

Speaker 18 (30:49):
A small hospital, there's seven between a nurse, for example,
and the chief secutor. In a bigger hospital it could
be ten, and in some other areas it could be twelve.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
Any excuse for that.

Speaker 18 (31:00):
That's a where the organization has been structured. I personally
think that the organization looks more like a public sector
agency and health delivery organization.

Speaker 17 (31:09):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar News Talk said v By.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
The way, still no statement from Andrew Hoggard's office Rea
what's happened with the infant formula. So the longer it
drags on the more the more I'm convinced that what
I've heard is right that it hasn't gone very well
for New Zealand unfortunately. In that meeting, will keep you
posted on that listen. One of the things that came
out of yesterday's State abuse inquiry, and this is quite
quite bizarre, is suspicion that there was a pedophile ring

(31:36):
involving politicians in the nineteen eighties. So, according to the report,
the people who were conducting it heard allegations that back
in the eighties there was a pedophile ring of not
only politicians but also prominent public servants who would have
kids brought in from the care institutions just up the
road in Horde Fenua like living and stuff, and have
them brought into Wellington for them. So the Abuse and

(31:57):
Care Lot investigated it in the cops and bestigated it.
And what they found is that the evidence is quote
deeply suspicious, but they didn't find enough evidence to actually
say it happens. So they had a couple of people
who claimed sexual abuse by different form of government politicians.
They interviewed potential witnesses throughout the country. They reviewed historical records.
They found one witness with first hand of evidence of

(32:20):
the alleged organized abuse. They found others who had second
or third hand in foe but they couldn't corroborate it.
They had several alleged victims who had died or were
too sick to speak or couldn't be found. And they
also found others who didn't want to speak because they
were scared of quote repercussions due to the powerful position
formally or still held by their alleged abuser. In other instances,
the information provided indicated that organized abuse may have occurred,

(32:43):
but no survivors could be identified. Isn't that creepy. We're
going to speak to an abuse survivor next about whether
the coppers need to start investigating and start actually punishing
the perpetrators. Stand by for that. Newstork ZBI.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis. Heather,
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connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Afternoon.

Speaker 9 (33:27):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
One of the questions now that the abuse and care
reporters out is will the perpetrators that in that report
be held to account? The three thousand page report released
yesterday detailed countless allegations of, among other things, abuse, neglect
and sex trafficking that was carried out against people, young people,
kids in state and religious care. Now, Jim Goodwin is
an abuse survivor who was on the Royal Commissioned Survivor

(33:49):
Advisory Group and he's with me. Now, Hey, Jim, Hi, Heather,
do you want the police to investigate and charge alleged perpetrators?

Speaker 6 (33:56):
Oh? Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Are they still alive?

Speaker 6 (34:01):
Some of them are? Some of them are?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
What proportion do you reckon are.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
Oh? Either I would have no idea.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Are we talking a majority, maybe half or just a handful?

Speaker 6 (34:15):
I have no idea. Nineteen fifty to ninety ninety nine. Obviously.
The other thing is here the abuse has continued since
nineteen ninety nine. It's still going on. So those ones
are mostly best still alive.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Why haven't Why haven't these people been chased by the
cops yet?

Speaker 6 (34:34):
Lots of reasons. In the early days the cops went
resourced to do it, they didn't know how to interview
people for sexual offending. They didn't they how to interview survivors,
so much better at it now. Survivors didn't come forward
a whole lot of reasons.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah, And this is one of the things that we've
heard is that even if given the opportunity, a lot
of survivors didn't talk to police because they don't trust police.
Do you think that they would be Did you think
that's an ongoing problem?

Speaker 6 (35:06):
It is an ongoing problem. It's getting better. The police
are doing a much better job now than they were
even five years ago. But yeah, a lot of survivors
don't trust authority at all.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Would you talk to police about your abuse?

Speaker 6 (35:21):
I did, I already have what happened. So they interviewed
the alleged perpetrators and decided not to proceed because they
felt that the perpetrators would invoke I think it's a
section in the Crimes Act saying it was too long.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Since a statute of limitations. Like, how do you feel
about that?

Speaker 12 (35:45):
Ah?

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Okay, I mean we gave the perpetrators a pretty good
rattle up. You know, they were interviewed by detectives and
they layed up pretty quickly. So, yeah, they know who
they are and they know what they did.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
On the subject of redress, which is obviously going to happen.
The government's made that pretty clear. Do you think that?
Do you think that survivors should have money given to
them directly as compost?

Speaker 6 (36:10):
Yes? How much it depends on the nature of the offense.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Would you think in some cases, I mean, Sonya Cooper
was talking to us the lawyer yesterday about potentially up
to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Would that be.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Absolutely for some people?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Okay, Hey, Jim, thank you very much. I really appreciate
you talking about it mate. That's Jim Goodwin, who is
abuse survivor.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Ellen.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Now it turns out the Canadian football team didn't just
spy on the football ferns once. They actually flew a
drone over the New Zealand training on two occasions. The
Canadians have responded by sending home the person who was
flying the drone and also the assistant coach. Here's David Shoemaker,
the CEO of the Canadian Olympic Committee.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
There's no room for that in Team Canada.

Speaker 19 (36:52):
It doesn't conform to our standards of fair play and
our values at the Canadian Olympic Committee.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
The two teams are going to play each other tomorrow morning.
Sarah Levitt is a reporter with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
and is in Paris. Hey Sarah, Hello, Hey, how have
Canadians responded to this?

Speaker 12 (37:08):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (37:09):
Deep shame? I would say the overall response to this
has been just how is it that the first Olympic
scandal of these Paris Games involves Canadians. Lots of people
worried and wondering why this even happened in the first place.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Well, because our team is quite sucky.

Speaker 20 (37:32):
I would just say, when we look at the FIFA standings,
Canada placed eighth. They're the reigning gold medalists. And yes,
I assume the idea is that New Zealand, you know,
is ranked twenty eight, so it's kind of a why
would you worry about this?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Well, Sarah, the obvious answer is because the Canadian football
cheat football team. I just cheat, right, it won't be
the first time they've done it.

Speaker 20 (38:02):
Well, I don't know about that. What they have said
is that this is isolated to two people, As you said,
two people sent home, one of them saying that they
didn't know this was happening. And that's so far what
we know right that in fact police uh like got

(38:22):
the guy and then took the drone from him, and
so that the coaches of the staff never actually ever
got access to the video.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
So hopefully that.

Speaker 20 (38:36):
Tampers any idea of cheating. But yes, it's quite the
scandal here in Canada, and I'm sure in New Zealand
as well.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
New Zealand has officially asked that the punishment mate out
to Canada is that Canada forfeits all points even if
they win all draw Do you think that's fair?

Speaker 20 (38:52):
Whether I think it's fair or not, I think what
happens now is up to the International Olympic Committee. They're
looking into to it. What they have said is that
they're really happy with how Canada's Olympic Committee has dealt
with this, with the swift sanctions, and whether or not
we're going to see points given today. In fact, the

(39:13):
game is going to play. I guess in your time
it'll be a little bit during the night, but.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
We'll have to see.

Speaker 20 (39:21):
The IOC, though, seems very happy with how this was
handled internally, so I don't suspect that we'll see anything coming.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Sarah. Thank you. I really appreciate your time. That Sarah Levett,
that is who is a reporter in Paris with the
Canadian Broadcasting.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Corporation, Heather due for Cee Allen.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Sounds like Rob Pennies kept his job as the Crusaders coaches.
Is not official, it's just being reported as being understood.
It sounds like the Crusaders have done their review of
how poorly the team played and obviously the fact that
they failed to make the playoffs for the first time
since twenty fifteen and so on, and it's being reported
that they will confirm Rob Penny as keeping the job
next week when they hold a press conference apparently on Wednesday. Now,

(40:00):
that shouldn't be a surprise for two reasons. Number one,
Rob Penny signed a contract for two years, so this
will be his second year. And number two, it's not
his fault because all of these veterans left the squad, right,
so if you have this, you've got all the young
ones to work with. Of course you're not going to
do that well, but I am sure that that's not
going to satisfy many Crusaders fans. Let just keep an
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Thomas Mead will rip his panties with a snooze Rob
Penny to stay the right call? Do you reckon Andy
that they're gonna send Thomas. I mean you'd have to,

(41:25):
wouldn't you? When they call the press conference on Wednesday,
You've got to send Thomas Mead along and just see
how Robb reacts to that. Just just to give us,
like the next installment in that particular soap opera, eighteen
past five now sounds like, we've got a big problem
with hearing loss in young people. Apparently, across the world,
about one in five young people are currently diagnosed with
hearing issues. In New Zealand, nearly a quarter of year

(41:46):
nine students report having TENAITUS or tonightis Natasha Galado is
the CEO of the National Foundation for Deaf and Hard
Hearing and is with us now, Hey Natasha, oh hi,
how are you very well? Thank you? Can we blame
the headphones, the earphones for this?

Speaker 21 (42:01):
It's certainly looking that way. Yes, When we look at
that one in five globally young people having hearing US,
it's mainly due to preventative issues relating to headphone use.
So yes, it certainly looks that way.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, I guess the problem is that the young
people are using these headphones and devices much more than
when I was a young person. So how do you
help them to keep the levels down?

Speaker 6 (42:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (42:26):
Absolutely they are. I think the key thing is education.
We've been running a make Listening Safe education program in
secondary schools since twenty twenty and the aim of that
program is to provide information to the students and parents.
I'm still enjoying listening to your personal devices and using headphones.

(42:46):
But what's the safest way that you can do that
to protect your hearing?

Speaker 22 (42:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Yeah, young people make dumb decisions. So as a parent,
how do you know if it's too loud? Like, do
you do you need to stick your head close to
the headphone? Be like, if you can hear it yourself,
it's too loud.

Speaker 21 (43:00):
Absolutely, yes, that is one gauge that you can tell
that if you can hear it, even music or anything
coming through the headphones, it's definitely too loud.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I look forward to that battle. Does it always lead
to hearing losses they've got tenatus?

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Not always?

Speaker 21 (43:18):
No, It's really around whether that tinatus is permanent or
it's something that is just temporary. Many people will go
to a concert and walk out with bringing in the years,
but that could be just something that just lasts for
a few days. It's mainly whether or not that tinatus
is ongoing and really what are your listening habits as

(43:41):
they contributing to that tenatus and that potential for it
to become more permanent.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Natasha's good to talk to you. Thank you for that.
Natasha Galada, the chief executive of the National Foundation for
the Deaf, listen on the redress for people in abused
care right, I think I just want to point something
out to you. I think most of us with you know,
who are decent, would probably have heard Yep, there's going
to be some compo. That's fair enough if if you've
been through what you've been through in these these state

(44:10):
institutions are so only fair that there's some sort of
a redress, whether that be I don't know, you know,
providing you with housing or getting your teeth fixed, or
getting your tattoos removed or whatever, compo directly, whatever, But
what about this? How do you feel about making a
direct payment to a gang member to say sorry for
what happened to you? Because if we start handing out
money to people, if we start handing out COMPO to

(44:31):
people who have been abused, we are going to be
handing out money to gang members. Because basically all of
those founding members of Black Power and the Mungrel Mob
and stuff like that, they came out of these these
care institutes, they will have been abused. So if we're
talking about, like Sonya Cooper was last night, the lawyer,
potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, how do you feel
about giving old mate from the mongrel mob hundreds of
thousands of dollars to say, SOZ, We're going to talk

(44:52):
to the huddle about that when they're with us very shortly.
Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
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your car on your drive home either dupless a drive
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as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Five twenty four. Listen. There was a question that I
asked I think pretty much everyone I talked to yesterday
about the abuse and care report, and I never really
got a satisfactory answer to it. And the question was,
how do we stop this kind of thing from happening again?
How do we stop adults in positions of power from
hurting kids who they are supposed to be looking after?
And I think the reason I didn't get a satisfactory
answer is probably because we can't really stop these kinds

(45:28):
of people. I mean, I think we can do our
best to try, but I think we all know that
we cannot ever really stop evil adults who are intent
on hurting kids from being able to hurt kids. I mean,
they will find a way. I mean, look at how
many kids have died just in the last few years
at the hands of their own parents. If you can't
trust their parents, then can you really trust any other
adult anyway. So I thought about it a lot overnight.

(45:49):
I reckon one of the things that we do have
to do is at least try to find and punish
the perpetrators in this report. There are bad people in
this report. It's you know, from talking to Jim, you
could hear you can't really quantify how many of them
are still alive, but there will be plenty who are
still alive. I mean, there are girls in the Jehovah's
Witnesses or who were in the Jehovah's Witnesses who say
that men abuse them in the eighties. That's not that

(46:10):
long ago. Those guys may still be alive. There is
abuse that was happening as recently as five years ago.
Those perpetrators probably most likely will still be alive.

Speaker 8 (46:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I respect the fact that the government is going to apologize,
but it wasn't the state actually doing this. Now. I'm
not letting the state off the hook here. The state
does need to apologize. It's sanctioned and enabled and ignored
the abuse. But it's one thing for the states to apologize.
I really want the people who did this stuff to
be held accountable and be made, if possible, to say sorry,

(46:40):
but definitely, if possible, will be put behind bars. I
don't think that doing that, I mean, let's be honest again,
I don't think that doing that is going to stop
future abuse by adults. But I think it's going to
tell future abuses that there is no hiding. If the
victim is brave enough to talk, justice will follow, and maybe,
just for some the threat of that potential justice maybe
enough to stop or at least temper the abs use
that they're happy to meet out now. To be honest

(47:03):
about this, the practicalities are that the cops are too
stretched at the moment even to do their jobs properly.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
They're not turning up to burglaries, They're not turning up
to robberies and stuff like that. So if you're going
to add this extra workload onto the coppers, you have
to be prepared to fund them. You have to be
prepared to give them more people. But I think that
is the right thing to do. I think give the
police the resources and then let them loose on the perpetrators.
Heather do for see Alan Heather Bs. Sorry for using
that word, but one or more of the coaches should

(47:29):
have been sent home. The drone controller ain't making a
home movie. Of course, the coaching staff would have been involved,
of course, thank you will for saying that. Listen, the
fact that the Canadians immediately send home old mate on
the drone but also an assistant coach is like the oldest,
the oldest trick in the book for how to stem
the damage. Right, So what you do is you get
somebody to be the scapegoat, and then you go, look,

(47:50):
we've taken it seriously. You don't need to do anything more.
And then, of course FIFA and the Olympics go, oh, look,
how seriously they've taken it. That's an admission of guilt
right there. Not for one second believe that the coach
didn't know. And I don't think that anybody should be
sucked in like the journal before, to be fair, she's
Canadian and go oh, they've done enough. They don't need
to be punished. Oh hell yeah, they need to be punished.
Take their points off them. By the way, not the

(48:12):
first time they've been involved in alleged drone flying. I'll
run you through that at some stage. Let's talk to
fed farmers next about the temno or to why snuff headlines?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Now Heather duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get
the facts.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Let's get connected and news talk, said Bunny on the.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
Double side of whiskey.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
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Speaker 8 (48:38):
There's a party downfown near fair Stream.

Speaker 23 (48:41):
Everybody yet buet okay, how'd I standing?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
By this evening? We have got Matt Heath and clear
de law with us. Still no statement from the Food
Minister about what happened in that meeting today with the
Aussie food ministers. Now, if you haven't been across this,
let me just quickly update you we were. There was
a meeting today. There was a meeting today between the
Aussie Food Ministers and the New Zealand Food ministers and

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they needed to talk about these absolutely ridiculous dumb rules
around infant formula. The rules which include all of the
beautiful pictures and information on the can being taken off
and you're just getting a white can that' says baby
formula stage three or something like that, because you know
they don't want you. They don't want you to give
your baby baby formula. They want you to give your
baby breast milk until they're twenty five years old. Also,

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anything that's special like lactose free, you can't even get that.
You won't be able to get that at the supermarket.
You have to go to the pharmacy for that, or
the doctor or the dietician, because you know, you might
just start pumping lactose free formula into your baby because
you know, you think it's awesome, and they don't want
you to do that. They want you to breastfeed your
baby until they're eighteen. Anyway, So it sounds like, as
I told you before, sounds like our ministers have been

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rolled by the Aussie ministers, and it sounds like we
might be in a bit of trouble hair and the
reason that's what we've heard. But also the other thing
that's kind of confirming that that may be a problem
is that we were expecting a statement between three and
four this afternoon hasn't arrived. By that still still hasn't arrived.
So Laura the producer, checked in with the minister's office
and they're now not going to send a statement this evening.

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They're going to be a statement tomorrow. So this doesn't
sound good at all. I'm going to talk to Jonathan
Chew from the Infant Nutrition Council after six o'clock. Stand
by for that twenty three away from.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Six, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Now, farmers are demanding that Otago Regional Council front up
and be honest about how much the new water rules
are going to cost. It turns out, as predicted that
tomna or to y concept which has been put into
the water rules, which allows the local EWE to tell
local government how to protect the manna of the water,
is going to be really expensive. With me right now
is Luke Caine, the president of Federated Farmer's Otago.

Speaker 24 (50:41):
Hi, Luke, Hi, how are you doing so?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I'm well, thank you mate. How much have you heard
it's going to cost?

Speaker 24 (50:47):
Yes, sir, that's a tricky thing, right. We're working on
some older information because no one seems to have an
up to date figure. The last we heard for a
couple of small towns in a target as they study
with around one hundred and million, which equate still around
that fifty odd thousand.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Per which are these two towns.

Speaker 24 (51:10):
They're in the central Otago.

Speaker 6 (51:14):
District.

Speaker 24 (51:15):
Yeah, so there are of that size of around that
four or five hundred people. Yeah, and are they.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Affected now, My understanding is they are affected by the
local ewe's rule and being nai tahoo that water that's
passed through a human body cannot be put back into
a waterway. So for example, you know, the whees that
have been treated cannot be put into the local stream.
Is that what is affecting them?

Speaker 24 (51:40):
Yeah, and it's it's it's the point where even if
this water is actually treated to the point where it
is then cleaner, clearer than the naturally flowing water, it
still can't go in there. Why it's not a debate
on whether where you know, it's not around wanting to
discharge raw sewage by any means that you know, that's
another argument, but it's well notment that just can't be done.

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But yes, it's it's based on the more spiritual believing of.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
The water spiritual stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, And so is this going to the cost comes
into what having to build new new water treatment infrastructure
or something like that.

Speaker 24 (52:19):
Well, it would have to be discharged to land, which
of course, okay, we could possibly do that, but under
all of the food producing rules we cannot as farmers.
You aren't allowed to harvest any any pasture or anything
and feed it back to an anal animal if it's
had that water applied to it. So, and we're a
wet climate down here in places right, ability to actually

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discharge any water during a winter period is non existent
because water holding capacity of the soils not there.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, now this is obviously going to affect the rate pays.
How is this going to affect farmers?

Speaker 24 (52:54):
So farmers obviously also either in some cases on town
supply for sewage and that sort of thing, or work
the private schemes adviseeptic tanks and that sort of thing.
But also quite big in the central Nigo area where
a lot of irrigation and North Otago these issues there

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where they cannot take water from one tributary, mix it
with another and then possibly put it back into the tributary.
So in there's cases there where there's been mining channels
or water conveying channels for over one hundred years, which
might make two creeks together for simple terms and discharge

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it back to the river, even though the river was
where the water would naturally end up. It just means
that there's con creek in the middle.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Okay, Luke, you have you gone to the Otago Regional
Council asked them how much this is going to cost?

Speaker 24 (53:52):
So we've left bet without yesterday. We understand that some
of the district councils are really serund of these rules
and they you know, obviously everybody is in a financial
pinch at the moment, especially counsels, and deciding how and
where to spend their money. So you know, talking billions

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across the target if we used that you know, those
couple of case studies. What, Yeah, it's just not viable.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
No, it really isn't. Luke, thank you very much for
talking us through. That's Luke Cane, President of Federated Farmers Otager.
We've got a statement from the Otaga Regional councilor get
you across the detail. Shortly nineteen away from.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
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Speaker 2 (54:38):
Me this even we've got Matt Heath of Radio HOARKI
and Clear de lawd journalist. Hell are you too good?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
All right?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
What punishment do you want? Meeting out to the Canadian
football team.

Speaker 23 (54:46):
Matt Wow, Well, collective punishment, So all the whole team
that have been training for four years, the reigning champions.
Punishment for them, I don't know, like I think morally
are probably no punishment. But from a purely patriotic, biased
New Zealand side, sure we'll push for the two points
because we're not going to get them in a normal
play by play fashion.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
We're not going to get them by winning.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
No, we're not getting by the winning.

Speaker 23 (55:09):
What I think strange about it is what were they
looking to find from our strategy?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's the football fans? What are you doing?

Speaker 23 (55:17):
Night at the back kicking as far away from the
goal as you possibly can. I hope it doesn't come.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Back, It says to me. Look, I mean, it's the
fact that they're spying on us. Says to me that
they just spy as a matter of course, right, and
for that reason they to be punished quite severely to
stop this.

Speaker 5 (55:32):
Who did they think we were and what did they
think they have stood to gain as champions? It's really
pretty weird chieving and sports seems to be in demic
and maybe they just thought, oh well, maybe it's that
a turn to have it go. But it defies our
kind of conceptions about Canadians. We think they're like us, Yeah,
warm friendly, you know, we're all and Laura bating people

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compared to the you know, more stroppy Americans and Australians.
But it turns out they're not. I think take the
points off them, make them play the game, and make
them and I drink warm beer and have KFC.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Towards a hater us for that too, right, I think
they do need to be punished. Okay, listen, what are
we going to do here? We obviously, Matt, obviously the
compo idea is flying right with the government because they're
looking at the redress. Do you think they will get
away paying redress to gang members?

Speaker 8 (56:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (56:24):
It's an incredibly complex issue, isn't it, Because obviously there's
a cause for every crime. There's a cause for everything
and an effect. And if that's caused you to be
in a gang member, how do you evaluate that? And
I reckon some problems in our society don't have a
clean black and white solution. Do they know some things
are just gray?

Speaker 8 (56:44):
And while some.

Speaker 23 (56:46):
People deserve compensation, I'm sure if compensation is actually what's
going to help you, I don't think of money. If
you've got those deep set problems that have caused you
to go into a life of crime, that money is
going to solve that problem. So are there other things
we can do? But sometime you've just got to go
This problem is so incredibly freaking complex, And if you

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start not blaming people by virtue of what's happened to
them in the past, then the whole justice system completely collapses,
doesn't it, because everything is based on something that's happened
in your past.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
So, of course, so I don't know.

Speaker 23 (57:19):
I don't know, But if someone's been abused in state care,
then I don't know whoever they are. Are we going to
nickel and dine them and getting some money. Look, I'll
tell you what, I've been thinking about this all day,
and I've been listening to it, and I can honestly
say I don't know if there's a correct answer for it.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, I've wondered about this as well, clear because it
is a little complicated to be paying compensation to pick
to some of these people. Right, Some of them, like
as we know, have got alcohol and drug issues. If
you give direct money to them, they're just going to
blow it on that. That's not helping the situation. And
then from a political perspective, giving money to gang members
is probably not a great thing as well, So what do.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
You do politically? There's also not a good thing to
be ticking between survivors of abuse right to decide who deserving.
They all deserve compassion, they all deserve redress as it happens. Now,
that's quite right. You know, money can't make up what's
happened to them. But how do you pick and choose?

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I know, for example, to do with scam. I think
it's two hundred thousand dollars per person, and there's no
limit on the number of their survivors who can apply
for that, and some people will have drug and alcohol problems.
Maybe one hundred k of it will go really quickly.
Maybe there are people who will stand by and give

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them advice on like how can you actually maximize this
to make this painful life a bit better later.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
In your life if you don't have to pay the money.
That's the other thing as well, right, what they're talking
about is potentially just redressing other forms like paying for
new teeth, paying for tattoos being removed, giving them housing.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Well, I think that's going to be quite difficult to
work out a formula of it that gives everybody the
same degree of respect. I think choosing between them is
going to be extremely difficult. You know, yesterday Parliament was
in great agreement that a terrible wrong had happened to

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all these people and that we would stand by them.
And to then say, well, we're not sure about your lifestyle.
I mean I would have the same misgivings you have,
But I don't think that justifies us saying you're going
to have to past some sort of test and be
satisfied with you having your teeth done. I don't think
it's going to fly.

Speaker 8 (59:35):
So we want the.

Speaker 23 (59:36):
Best outcome for the people, don't we? So we need
to find that out. Are we handing out cash to
make ourselves feel better as a nation and to make
ourselves feel better? I think probably you need to do
all the work you can around it to say what's
going to be the best thing for the people that
have faced this terrible, terrible thing. And if the money's
not going to help them, then what else will? But
something needs to be done.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah, totally, something does need to be done. I would
agree with that. All right, we'll take a break thirteen
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Right back to the Huddle, clear to law Matt Heath,
now Claire. Apparently the Republicans have been told to stop
calling Karmela a diversity higher. Do you think that's a
good idea?

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Well, I mean, who would have thought you'd have to
be telling them that? But look at them stop smacked.
I mean, she's been there hiding and playing sight the
whole time Biden's being president. She's been a very quiet
and conspicuous sport advice president. But she has really changed
the game. And now they're saying, for example, you know
she's too bad, she's two Asian, too liberal, she laughs

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too much apparently, and of course there's been a lot
of focus on what they call her word sellers. But
I don't think that I'm having changed the game. The
Republicans are now scrambling Tory and have a streak of
decency in the campaign which was clearly going to be
aimed at taking Joe Biden apart, and so now they're
having to look at themselves and work out how are

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they going to continue in their merry way without alienating
are the women who It was surprising to me the
number of women who voted to Crump when he asked
became president. Astonishingly, he attracted a lot of voters. And
so this time around, I think she has changed it
a game that is political game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I think the reason, Matt, why they've been told to
stop calling her diversity higher is because actually the fact
that she is a black lady and a lady is
actually some of her best attributes. Yeah, what's exciting her voters?

Speaker 23 (01:01:32):
I know, But it's a classic playbook, isn't it from
the Washington Post, who's deeply biased, And it's a classic
line for them to blame a whole side for the
You find the worst people from one side and blame
the whole side for it. And it doesn't really work
because all those people that you're saying, oh, you Republican
Republicans are like that. That's half the country and most
of them know they aren't what they're being told they
are so deplorable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Argument, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 23 (01:01:55):
So if you know, until the Democratic Party realize that
there's something of worth on the other side and not
just picking the worst examples and ragging on it, then
they can continue to have problems as a party, and
that goes for the other side as well. Just picking
the worst examples doesn't work because the people that are
voting for Republicans, many of them know they're not that
person that you describe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, fair point, Now clear, listen to you use headphones.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Not very much. I lose them a lot, but I
don't use them as much as those.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Okay, so you've got perfect hearing, then you won't have
a problem at all.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
Well, I've got pretty good hearing. My husband used to
say I mumbled a lot, but when he got hearing it,
my mumbling was sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
What a surprise you though, Matt. This is your industry, right.
You have to every day, for hours on and end,
have headphones on your head. Are you aware of keeping
that volume down?

Speaker 23 (01:02:43):
It's terrifying. How much of abuse my hearing over the years.
I can't believe I can hear it at all. Some
bands for years. I never took any steps at all
to protect my hearing. On the radio every day for
ten years now, I've had it on ridiculously loud.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
You have it on laud.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
I know it.

Speaker 8 (01:03:00):
I know.

Speaker 23 (01:03:00):
And my dad's got terrible hearing and he's got hearing
aids on. But further to that point about the things
that you hear when you get hearing aids. My dad
had to get a new car when he got his
hearing aids in because he thought his car had been
showing off about how well it run got his hearing
aids in and then it was realized it was a
rattling piece of crap and had to invest in a
new vehicle. So there's downsides of that as well. But yeah,
I'm going to pay. I'm going to pay the piper

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for it. And I think if anyone has the discipline
to look after their hearing, do it, and do it well,
do it while you're young. But how do you tell
kids to turn their How do you tell kids to
turn their personal headphones down when you don't even know
what volume they've got in their headphones. So you can
go into the phone and put the limit or on,
but they're going to turn it off, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
And it's just another thing to nag them about, which
is irritating.

Speaker 8 (01:03:41):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Thank you to both of you, appreciate it. Matt Heath
radiohod I could cleared the Lord journalist.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
On your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home Heather dupleic Allen drive
with one New zealand one giant leap for business news
talk as it be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Heathern. Matt was great. He was thoughtful, and he was
absent of the same old glib woke bs generalization's breath
of fresh air. I'll make sure that to pass. No,
I won't. He's got a gigantic ego. I mean, the
guys already written a book. He doesn't need any more
pumping of the ego, by the way, on the headphones thing, right,
And I do worry about kids for this because because
I've been around people who have been in broadcasting for

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a very very long time, and so it was lucky
enough when I got into broadcasting in radio to kind
of be aware that you have to keep your headphones
turned down a little bit, you know, so you don't
actually start like I don't want to be I don't
want to lose my hearing unnaturally early. Let me tell you,
Darcy Watergrave, Andrew Dickens and Barry Soper did not get
that memo. Their headphones are shockingly loud, Like it is

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shocking how loud these men have their headphones if they
are in the studio with me, right and they plug
their headphones in and then and then walk away from
them sometimes in order to just get a bit of peace,
because it's just constant noise. Sometimes in you know, in
my line of work, I will turn down the mon
in the studio, but as if they were on loud,
I can still hear it coming out of those men's headphones.

(01:05:05):
Now obviously I know this because Darcy is in the
studio with me, and Barry is in the studio with me,
and then they leave with these things blaring that I
can hear across the room. And Andrew. I think, how
do I know this about Andrew? Maybe because I've worked
in the studio after him or something like that and
being shocked when I put the headphones on. But anyway, look,
somebody needs it to be there, like an intervention. Help
them out, because those guys definitely going to need If

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they don't already need, they're definitely going. I suspect they
already need it them. Is why the headphones are turned
up that loud. Heither do not laugh. My grandfather was
breastfeed until he was eight years old. It was during
the Depression and his lifelong nickname was Tuddy. I know
a woman who is roughly my age who was breastfed
until So we're not talking great depression here, like relying

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on your mother's bast milk to survive. Look, we are
talking about somebody who's raised in the eighties and nineties
breastfeed until she was eight years old. That's weird. I'm
telling you, like I find it weird if you're still
breastfeeding it two and a half, I'm be honest with you.
But at eight or what's going on? Anyway, let's talk
about the old infant formula. Next day Newstalk st B.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
If we're Business Insight the Business hour we're headed due
to c Allen and my Hr on New stalks B.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Even in coming up in the next hour, we're gonna
chat to Howard Dan Now he's a former chair of
the Democratic National Convention. He's also a former governor of Verumont.
He'll talk us through Biden's speech today, Liam Dan Jamie McKay,
and then we'll head to the UK with one day
to go until the Olympics kicks off right now at
a seven past six. Now, unfortunately, it's not sounding very
good for New Zealand on the issue of the infant formula.
New Zealand and Australian ministers met today to try to

(01:06:48):
figure out whether they wanted to accept new regulations for
infant formula. We are yet to hear officially what happened,
but it's understood Australian ministers voted to adopt the rule
changes with me now as Jonathan Chew from the Infant
Nutrition Counsel. Hey, Jonathan, how are you going. I'm very well,
thank you. What have you heard?

Speaker 25 (01:07:05):
I've heard the same thing. We're waiting for the official
communicator come out. But my understanding is the New Zealand
Minister Minster Hoggard did what he said he was going
to do. He asked for a review that was rejected
by the Australian ministers. So my understanding he has announced
that New Zealand will seek its own modification for the

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relevant standards right and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Does that mean that we will we will be able
to do our own thing or not.

Speaker 25 (01:07:32):
Yes, that's my understanding that New Zealand will exercise its
right to seek its own modification for the standards relating
to the labeling issues that we've been talking about and
possibly the restriction on sales for the low risk medical
purpose products as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Okay, so from your understanding, absolutely can opt out of
the white labeling, which is where ever can has to
look the same. But you're not sounding quite as confident
about the sale and the supermarkets.

Speaker 25 (01:07:59):
Why not, only because we haven't had the official word yet.
It's certainly open to the New Zealand government to opt
out of both, and are really just waiting to see
what the Communicat says and waiting for the Minister to
let us know what the direction the New Zealand government's
going to take. But they certainly have the option to
do both.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Okay, so problem solve, right, we're unaffected.

Speaker 25 (01:08:23):
Well, I'm hoping that's the outcome again. You know, New
Zealand's sovereign country has the ability to do its own
standards if it notifies the Zans it's not happy with
the proposal as is. And the government stood up and
said that's what we were going to do. And we
welcomed the fact that they listened to industry and took
our concerns seriously and tried to get the reviews. And

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because they were unsuccessful in convincing the Australians are now
looking to go their own way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, now, Jonathan, does this have any impact on us
in terms of our product on Australian's Australians supermarket shelves.

Speaker 25 (01:08:58):
Again, there's a little bit of devil in the detail.
But my understanding news under the TTMRA agreement, if the
New Zealand product is manufactured in New Zealand for sale
in New Zealand, then it can be exported to Australia
as is. It doesn't need to have further modifications.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Why are the Australians going along with something as patently
stupid as this?

Speaker 25 (01:09:20):
Unfortunately, I think that there's an understanding or a belief
with some Australian ministers and officials that in order to
protect breastfeeding you have to make formula feeding as complicated
or as unappealing as possible. We say that you can
protect and promote breastfeeding by helping women who want and

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can breastfeed have to have, you know, whatever barriers that
are stopping them removed, without creating complications and confusion for
parents who have to rely on formula.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Jonathan, thank you very much for talking us through it.
As Jonathan Chew, the Infant Nutritional Council. Well, if the
Australians want to go down this wacky path, good, all
power to them and hopefully we hold out forever on it.
I've got a little bit more fallout for you on
the gas supply shortage, which we've been talking about a
fair bit on the program. As you know, we are
running into some serious problems getting gas out of the
ground at the moment. This is a little bit about that,

(01:10:14):
but also just also the general mess that the electricity
market is and in general electric key We is now
not accepting any new customers for the time being. Raw
Energy has closed, Flick isn't offering wholesale pricing at the
moment anymore, and an outfit called Energy Club end Z
has also closed and it's given its customers to contact now.

(01:10:34):
The reason that this is happening, apparently is that the
wholesale market has quote completely blown up. So what's happened
is that apparently in the last six months, wholesale electricity
prices have gone up by nearly fifty percent, which is massive.
Some say it's maybe gone up by another quarter just
in the last week, which means for some of them
that what they're paying for electricity is now more than

(01:10:54):
what they are charging us, so they're basically making a
loss by supplying electricity to us. And the reason for
that is because a the gas supply shortage problem. There
is that instead of burning gas like we would have
or could have, we are now burning more coal. Coal
is more expensive, pushes up the price of electricity. But
also the hydro lakes are lower than they normally would
be at this time of the year, so than the

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hydro generators are conserving their storage so they can get
through the winter demand. That's putting up the price of
electricity as well. And also the usual problem there is
an underbuild of power supply, which is, you know, decades
in the making. It probably will last for decades as well.
So anyway, the point of all of this is to
tell you brace yourself, because it looks like electricity is
just going to get more and more pricey unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Twelve past six, crunching the numbers and getting the results.
It's Heather duplic Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to
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Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Right, it's quarter past six. Liam Dan, the Herald's Business
editor at largeres with me at the moment Hey, Liam, Good,
So the INSIDEX fifty is up about six percent in
the past month.

Speaker 26 (01:11:55):
Why, Yeah, well, I guess it's all to do with
the interest rates starting turn and all that optimism and
green shoots that we're talking about. So what happens is,
you know, the last time it really boomed was with
all that COVID stimulus money was there and interest rates
were extremely low, and it's been tracking sideways since about
twenty twenty one. But yeah, it's finally gone past the

(01:12:17):
point about twelve zerousand odds on the index where it
was on February twenty one, twenty twenty when it collapsed.
So we started going weird with COVID, and it's at
its highest point in two years. And yeah, it's suddenly
looking like a more interesting place. You've got the Warehouse
takeover play. Obviously, Stephen Tindall's got a big plan and everything,

(01:12:38):
but still the timing is not a coincidence. Warehouse was
very cheap, and you've got Vida, the retirement village operator
that's often related to property retirement villages, and so that's
a play. And look, there are people in the market
suggesting that we may see more of this because you know,
in these cycles. Yeah, because what happens is the smart

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money sits on the side during the bit when interest
rates are high and you're doing all right with it
sitting in the bank, and the share price the shares
don't do so well, and then as soon as they
see the first glimmer of hope that that's turning, which
is ahead of you know, the economy is terrible still,
but there are signs of life out there. The signs
of life are what they're looking for in the turn

(01:13:20):
of the cycle. And then countercyclical, I guess is what
you call it. They're starting to come in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Do we know what sectors we're going to be talking about.

Speaker 26 (01:13:28):
Well, I think anything with like people are talking about
the retirement for the sector of the or other player,
retail and property. These are sectors that have really struggled
and there is presumably some bargains out there in the
eyes of shear market investors. It is complicated a little
bit by the US because they've got a tech bubble.

(01:13:49):
The same things happen in the US with the bulk
of the stock. So if you look at the bulk
of the S and P five hundred, it's also been
in the doldrums and should start pick up. But there's
about seven stocks in the US and Video and Meta
and Tesla and Google Alpha, the amazing seven or magnificent

(01:14:09):
magnificent seven. Yeah, and they have really propped up everything
for the last two years, and so they're unfortunately they're
on the brink of everyone talking about a bubble and
so so you could see them collapse, but you should
also hopefully they don't collapse. Hopefully they just come off
gently and we see the real world stocks, you know,
the retailers and the manufacturers and all that sort of

(01:14:32):
thing ought to start coming back in the US as well.
So yeah, it's just just suddenly noticed that there's a
bit of action out there, and there's a bit of
excitement in the markets about this because this is what
this is what the Shehaer investors wait for, you know
that the really sharp players.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, totally. Hey, listen, by the way, on interest rates,
which you mentioned just before, when are you picking the cup?

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Then?

Speaker 26 (01:14:54):
Well, I don't think it can be August, I think,
but I look the just the banks of movie already
a little bit and that might have done a.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Little bit of a job. Not August. Are you saying
October could be. I just want to remind you that
I've been saying November to you, Liam for the longest time,
and me you'd be telling me I'm wrong, and now look.

Speaker 26 (01:15:10):
Yeah, well, yeah, the things turned fad in No, I think,
I think. Yeah, I mean, if if you go through
all the ups and downs, it's about where we started,
where we thought it would be at the start of
the year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Oh oh, is that what you're doing? Are you saying
you called this ages go and then changed your mind.
Now you're going back to your original one.

Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Well I can't disprove that, so I'm going to have to.

Speaker 26 (01:15:29):
Just probably could you'd probably go through all my columns.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Actually, now that I've thought, now, I'm going to do
a word search of your columns and find fine.

Speaker 26 (01:15:35):
No, I'll tell you what I did call I called
a seven percent interest rate peak about two years ago,
and that's where we landed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Okay, well you can have that one then, thank you.
Le I don't know why this has turned into a
weird competition between us, but I am to blame for that. Liam.
Thank you. Liam Dan the Herald's Business editor at large,
in the fact that he is the business editor at
large has listened to him, not me. Nineteen past six. Hey,
I mentioned in the show earlier on five twenty two.
By the way, I six twenty two, I mentioned in
the show earlier on that Joe Biden's given his first

(01:16:01):
speech since pulling out of the presidential race. It's pretty
formal affairs, addressing the nation. Sitting behind the was it
the what is it the resolute desk or something like that?
What it is here behind you know, in the Oval office?
And he kind of rewrote history because he tried to
paint himself as a martyr who sacrificed his personal ambition
for the greater good of the nation and democracy, when
actually we know that he had to be dragged kicking

(01:16:22):
and screaming for three weeks from his plan to run.
But here he is.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
I reviewed this office. But I love my country more.
your president. But in the defensive democracy, which is a stake,
I think it's more important than any title.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Jason, he sounded old. Well he's not old, is it?
He's got Parkinson's? He sounded like he's got it, hasn't he?

Speaker 9 (01:16:45):
Someb of the words of Benjamin Franklin's hanging on my
wall here in the old office, alongside the bust of
doctor King and Rosa Parks, and says O Chavez when
Van Franklin was asked as he emerged from the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Oh no, that's enough. I can't handle it anymore. Anyway,
We're going to talk to Howard. Had to stop it.
It gets worse, but it's just you don't need any
more of that. We've had enough of it, haven't we. Anyway,
Howard Dean, who's the former chair of the National Democratic
Convention and also the former governor of mont is going
to be with us just after the news was just
coming up the half our six news. We'll have a
chat to him about what was going on there and
if people going to buy this nonsense from Joe Biden.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
A rural report on the Heather Duper see Alan Drive
with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb Jamie.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Mckaie, Host of the Countries. It has been our Hey, Jimi,
Hello Heather.

Speaker 22 (01:17:31):
I watched his speech from the Resolute disc God didn't
realize it was called that either the poor old bugger
couldn't even read the autoqu promptly. He should have gone
months ago. Anyhow, that is what it is, and Carmela's
sort of put a bit of spark into the race again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah for now, for now, Jamie, I think it's going
to wear off, because then everybody's going to be reminded
very shortly of why they didn't like her in twenty twenty.
But anyway, we'll just let them go through that lit
the process by themselves. What do you make of this
situation with the tamanow to why statement in the Otago
Regional Council and the potential cost of like fifty thousand
dollars a ratepayer.

Speaker 22 (01:18:05):
Hey, just before we go to that, Heather, and I'm
not ducking for cover hair. I'm just going into bat
for Barry Soaper, Darcy water Grave and Andrew Dickins and
those other.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
How a your Headphonesmie.

Speaker 22 (01:18:18):
Well, look, I'm not like Winston Peters who wears headphones underneath,
so he wears the bit that goes over the top.
He wears it underneath his chin so as not in
the hair here. But I have all and all my
thirty years in radio, I've just been on one air
man so that has given me an issue in one air.
I'm a bit deaf in one ear all the time. Yep,

(01:18:42):
same air left there all the time. So my riot
has got much better hearing because I find it there's
someone in the studio, it's actually better to one ear
on them. But anyhow, I digress. Are we But the
other reason I'm slightly deaf, my wife would say totally deaf,
is because as a young twenty year old I spent
all winter on a chainsaw chopping down trees and we

(01:19:06):
didn't wear ear musk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
You really, one winter was enough to do that damage?

Speaker 22 (01:19:11):
What's that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I don't know. I don't know if your joke he
picked up on my joke.

Speaker 22 (01:19:18):
You picked up on my joke.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Okay, good, thank god. Okay, listen, tell me what you
think about the cost for the tomno or to wipe statements.

Speaker 22 (01:19:25):
Oh look, I see. I probably can't tell you what
I raally think because I would be canceled. Look someone's
got to stand up, and I think David Semo was
doing this and say look, enough is enough when it
comes to this sort of stuff. I heard Luke Cain
talking to you at five thirty, one hundred and ten
million for a couple of small towns four to five

(01:19:45):
hundred people fifty thousand dollars per right payer, obviously not
sustainable over the Otago region that would mean billions of
dollars effectively. Look, this is the Otago Regional Council and
I don't know how did they actually get around to
giving you a state?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yes, but and I was actually going to get around
to talking about it. In the statement, they don't really
answer the question. So we've asked will the cost of
this be released to the public, and their answer is
that there is not a separate cost of applying tem
on all TiO y, which is just b Yes, there
obviously is a separate cost. They just don't want to
talk about it.

Speaker 22 (01:20:16):
This is an organization that's dysfunctional, you know, and they
would be better off rather than worrying about this, try
and do something about their rates, which were projected to
be twenty one point three percent. They have slashed them
heather the good for the goodness from the goodness of
their heart, to just eighteen point six percent for the
current year. They run the buses here in Dunedin and

(01:20:38):
literally they couldn't run a bath. But getting back to
the other one. Look, all this nonsense about water going
can't be put into a waterway if it's passed through
a human body. And the other one, what's the other one?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
The other one is you can't take it from one
water body like one stream and put into the other.

Speaker 22 (01:20:56):
Yeah, which is a load of bollocks because the likes
of I think it's the the Manahirakia water races have
been going for a century now and they draw water
from one water body and discharge to another. Look, it's
just got out of control. And I hope the Otago
I just hope the ratepayers and the people of Otago

(01:21:19):
get stuck into the Otago Regional Council. There a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
If you ask me, I agree with you, Jamie, Thank
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Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
I regards to the UK shortly because we are one
day away from the opening ceremony. Well, I mean it
it's stay and a half right because for us it's
Saturday morning, but it's one day away from the Olympic
opening ceremony. But here we are at twenty four to seven,
and we need to talk about Joe Biden. So US
President Joe Biden this afternoon. It's made his first oval
office speech since he announced he wouldn't run for president again.

Speaker 9 (01:22:28):
I review of this office, but I love my country more.
your president, but in the defense of democracy, which is
a stake I think is more important than any title.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Now it comes as Republicans have started have been told
by their bosses that they should no longer attack Karmala
Harris for what they're calling it being a di DEI higher.
That's DEI stands for diversity, equality inclusion. They're essentially calling
her basically a person who's been picked because of her
color and her gender. Dean is a former chair of
the Democratic National Convention, also former government governor of Vermonte.

Speaker 11 (01:23:05):
Howard Hi, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yeah, no, you're welcome.

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Joe Biden's doing a very good job of acting like
he's a victim here who's sacrificing his own ambition for
the good of the country. Do you reckon people are
going to buy it?

Speaker 19 (01:23:17):
Well, the people who like him are, and the people
who are don't like him aren't going to buy it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:21):
But I buy it.

Speaker 19 (01:23:21):
I mean to give up your political I can't. Can
you imagine Trump doing something like this. He doesn't have
a bone of self sacrifice in his body.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
The reason I don't buy it is because I watched
him take three and a half weeks and he didn't
really he didn't really want to write. He held out
as long as he couldn't as long as he could.
So it seems to be like a slight rewriting of history.

Speaker 19 (01:23:41):
Well, you may end up in this job, you're in
a similar situation yourself one day, and you won't think
so how much how it? Well, I had to go
through the same thing when I lost a race that
I was expected to win the nomination for. And it's
incredibly painful when you've come as long as he had
and then your dream is over, and it takes a

(01:24:02):
while to recognize that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
I mean, he's doing a pretty good job of making sure,
sort of setting up the narrative for his presidency isn't he.

Speaker 19 (01:24:13):
Yeah, And I think it's correct I personally, and I
don't know Biden particularly well, I personally believe that Biden
has been the most effective president since Lynnon Johnson on
a domestic agenda, Well, he's pretty extruct the first president
of seriously tackled climate change. He has totally redone the

(01:24:34):
manufacturing business. He's put hundreds of thousands of jobs, mostly
into states that are not going to vote for him,
such as chip jobs, battery jobs, electric car jobs. Brought
those home. He got us through COVID after Trump screwed
it all up in advised everybody to drink bleach and
that would fix their to fix them right up. So
I think he's a guy of tremendous accomplishments. Is he

(01:24:56):
a guy of tremendous ambition? Sure, but it's pretty easy
to for give that when you're the president of the
United States.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Well, a thing that was pointed out to me that
was missing from the speech was like a really full throated,
wholehearted endorsement of how awesome Kamala Harris was. Why was
that missing?

Speaker 19 (01:25:13):
Because it's not appropriate if you're given time by the
networks to terrest the whole country. It's not expected to
be a partisan speech. I actually thought it was a
little bit more partisan than I expected. But you're really
not expected to give a point. They would have had
to give equal time to Trump to make a speech
if she had gone off on politics.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
That's a really good point. What do you make of
the excitement around Kamala Harris's campaign? Is it surprising you?

Speaker 19 (01:25:35):
No, She's young, and I think it's long overdue to
switch generation from my generation and Trump's generation and Biden's
generation to the next generation. Harris is I think fifty
nine years old, more than twenty years younger than Biden
and almost twenty years younger than Trump. So now that
she was on the other foot, do we want an
old coajure of declining mental capacity like Trump or do

(01:25:59):
we want somebody who's younger and and more ready to
take on the responsibilities. The other issue is that I
think is incredibly helpful is young people have been totally
disinterested in this election, partly because of the age of
the contestants.

Speaker 11 (01:26:12):
Now they have somebody that they can relate to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Do you think the excitement that she's got on the
kind of honeymoon period of her campaign will last.

Speaker 19 (01:26:21):
I think it will, but not the way it is today.
You know, this is going to be this is a
tough slog It's the most powerful job in the world,
and you know there's going to be a lot of
blood on the tracks before we get done with this,
on both sides.

Speaker 11 (01:26:33):
So it'll be a tough, brutal race.

Speaker 19 (01:26:36):
But it is incredibly you know, the United States has
never had a woman running the show, and this is
the first chance. They turned it down with Hillary and
put Trump in, which was of course turned out to
be a bad mistake, and now we'll have a chance
to do something different, and I do think that's going
to be incredibly appealing to young people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Do you reckon that Americans are ready for a female president.

Speaker 11 (01:27:00):
I think they are, but we'll I goin to find
that out in November.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Well, I mean, how will we even know, because it
may be that they're just not ready for a female
black president.

Speaker 19 (01:27:09):
Well, they may not be ready for a black president.
The Republicans certainly aren't. They're always using a user and
a race to get to the presidency. The Republican's basic
platform is hate and anger, and there are a lot
of people flying into that these days because they don't
have jobs, they don't have college educations. But Biden actually
comes from that class. He came from a working class family,

(01:27:29):
and I think he's done a lot for working class people.
But Trump, you know, I think Trump is probably a lunatic,
but he is a very skillful lunatic in the sense
that he knows how to push the anger button and
take advantage of people who haven't done so well and
are upset about it. Plus the usual right wing crackpot
conservatives and all that stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:27:50):
So it's an interesting coalition Trump has.

Speaker 19 (01:27:52):
I think people are going to want to move on
from that, and I think having a fifty nine year
old black female president is a great way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Hey, So what fascinates me is that the Republicans have
been told to stop calling her a dei higher Now.
That suggests to me that they want to stop that
because they realize that actually being a black woman is
a point for her that's actually a good point, not
a negative point. Is that how you read it?

Speaker 19 (01:28:15):
Well, I think it probably is a is that's part
of it. But I think the real issue is there
are a lot of middle class women in the suburbs
who used to ly in Republican now have been turned
off by Trump. That's why Biden won in Georgia, which
was really unexpected last time. So I think it's more fear.
I mean, I think the Republican leadership is just as

(01:28:37):
racist as the Republican backbenchers. It's just that they are
understanding that if they lose Republican women in the suburbs,
they lose the election, which is exactly what happened when
Biden won. And it's exactly how Raphael, we're not. We
have a black man and a Jewish man as senators
from Georgia in the Deep South. That would not have
happened had it not been for Trump and the decay

(01:28:58):
of the Republican descent to the Republican Party and to
hate and anger.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Howard, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for
your time, mate, look after yourself. That's Howard Dean, the
former chair of the Democratic National Convention, also the former
governor of Vermont. Heather, it's okay to admit you're a
secret fan of Trump. No critique of Trump's and coherent
speech at the Republican Convention from you, But Biden you're
all over it, mate. That's because it's all anybody's talking
about in American politics today. But I'm not a secret
fan of Trump, but I am going to tell you

(01:29:24):
the truth. I do want Trump to win because it's
just going to be more fun. Like I've never I've
never hid in this fact, right. I find Trump hilarious.
And also I think that people who complain about Trump
need to get a grip. He's not as bad as
people have said, Like there have been some wins for example,

(01:29:45):
I feel like I need to back this up now,
So here we go. Okay, who was it who pulled
out of Afghanistan? Just like that? Left people behind? It
was a complete cluster, left behind, billions of dollars worth
of equipment, left interpreters who'd been helping the Americans to
basically be at the mercy of the Taliban. Who did that?
Who did that? Who made that massive, enormous, calamatous mistake.

(01:30:07):
That's right, Joe Biden. If it was Trump, we would
be talking about what a moro on the guy is.
But because it's Joe Biden, we're like, ah, what a
strategic error. No, that's like, how there is no there
is no there is no fairness in the way that
we judge these two men. On the other hand, if
you go and read various accounts of how Trump actually
treated Afghanistan, you will find that there is a reasonable

(01:30:30):
amount of evidence to suggest that he actually did a
much better job of managing up to that point, up
to the point that he was there the slow withdrawal
from Afghanistan and was said to have actually followed his
general's advice. So between the two of them, who was
better in the Afghanistan situation? Trump by a mile. So
I think that I just have this tiny little thing,

(01:30:51):
and I think that people have got a bit of
Trump derangement syndrome. So so I don't think Trump's as
scary as everybody else. And I also think he's hilarious,
So we heaps more fun than Kamala Harris Aresma case
sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Said b Vincent mcavinie is our UK correspondent this evening, Evansent.

Speaker 27 (01:31:19):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Do we know yet why that guy stabbed the British
Army officer?

Speaker 27 (01:31:24):
No, we don't know yet this was a British Army
officer who was stabbed near his barracks in Kent on Tuesday.
We are told in hospital that he is in a
serious but stable condition. He was in his uniform. He's
in his forties and he was attacked.

Speaker 8 (01:31:38):
And near his home.

Speaker 27 (01:31:40):
A twenty four year old man has been arrested on
suspicion of attempted murder. There were lots of public witnesses
to this. It was a pretty horrific incident. He was
stabbed multiple times. It's not entirely sure, but the police
say they are exploring the possibility of a mental health
related offense crisis as it were.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
All right, listen, what were these Just Stop Oil activists
doing at the airport?

Speaker 27 (01:32:04):
Well, Heathrow Airport is not only Britain's but Europe's busiest
airport as well, and Just Stop Oil of course have
been trying to do direct action protests for some time
and they were arrested a group of ten of them
at Heathrow where they were detained near the airport and
taken into custody on suspicion of conspiring to interfere with
a site of key national infrastructure under the public Order Act.

(01:32:26):
So what they think is going to happen was they
were going to do something to try and disrupt directly
the grounds, the two runways. They're perhaps breaking through the
fences and then trying, as we've seen with other protests
around the world, to sort of glue themselves or attach
themselves to runways to try and stop the flights of
the planes. But this happens after a number of Just
Stop Oil protesters received pretty strong prison sentences, long jail

(01:32:51):
terms for five members of that group, sentences of four
and five years for disrupting the M twenty five motorway
back in twenty twenty two, which has led to some
shock in the group about how strong the justice system
has come down on them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
That makes me more happy than I can tell you
that there shots they're getting in trouble from a pr perspective.
And so why do these people keep doing this? I mean,
they are not winning friends, No.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
They're not.

Speaker 27 (01:33:16):
On Some say they're sort of hurting the group, I think,
especially earlier this summer when the group broke through and
spray painted Stonehenge. They used what they said was the
non damaging sort of concoction of paint and powder to
spray it, but many people were completely alarmed by that.
In fact, a Japanese tourist that was there just simply
ran over and tried to pull them off. And though
the paint has washed off, there was a sort of

(01:33:38):
special kind of a fauna that is on the stones
that scientists did think might have been damaged by the spray,
but it completely backfired on them. There wasn't anyone that
was thought it was a good idea to go to
such a sensitive site and trying to face it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
No too right, Hey, listen, this is quite said, so
Andy Murray, that's it.

Speaker 27 (01:33:56):
This is it, the Paris Olympics. I will be there
from this weekend, hopefully see him playing on a Monday. Actually,
if he manages to get through to the second round.
After a two decades long professional tennis career, it is
going to be his final professional tournament. He's played in
all the Olympics since Beijing. He's won gold medals, and
it's somewhere that he's always clearly, you know, sometime some

(01:34:18):
professional sorts people don't really like Olympics, but he's always
seemed to really enjoy it. And it will be the
end of his career. After he lost outs in Wimbledon.
Recently he was playing in the doubles with his brother.
He was going to play in the mixed doubles with
ed around Akanu and then she called time on that
because of an injury. But no, this will be his
sort of final swan song. And everyone here in Europe

(01:34:40):
getting pretty excited about the prospect of those Olympics kicking
off tomorrow, the big opening ceremony on the Sene River
as well, unlike any that's been attempted before, big security
concerns for it, but if they pull it off, it
could be pretty spectacular. And rumors as well of some
of the acts being spotted in the city. Lady Gaga
is thought to be performing Leaned You On as well,

(01:35:00):
her first performance in years, as she recovers or attempts
to sort of get back to some form of normality
from her stiff person syndrome that she has been suffering from.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Vincent, thank you appreciate it. You're off there very shortly,
if not tomorrow, so go well and enjoy it. That's
Vincent mcaviney, a UK correspondents listen on the Olympics. This
is what's happening overnight so I watched the rugby this morning,
did you. The two year old loves watching rugby, so
we had to watch the rugby. It was a treat
which immediately regretted because it's very hard to get his
breakfast into him at that point. But anyway, you know,

(01:35:32):
we tried. So tomorrow two thirty rugby seven's men's pool
match versus Ireland. So that's the New Zealand game versus Ireland.
Then three am you've got football that says the controversial
game football Ferns versus the Cheetahs Canada. And then at
seven am to eight am you've got the rugby sevens

(01:35:53):
men's quarterfinal. If we qualify, we will be in that.
Heads up if you're an Auckland or Ye cuttle Since
has just put out a bit of a warning, bit
of a worrying statement. They say, if you want an
ambulance in Auckland or y couple, you're not going to
be able necessarily to get one straight away. They say
that there is a significant surge in respiratory illnesses, including covid,

(01:36:14):
influenza and other viruses. It's affecting them and it is
just putting extreme demand on them. At no point that
I can see. Let me just quickly scan now. At
no point that I can see in the statement do
they mention the fact that they also have a significant
strike going on that almost certainly will be affecting their
ability to respond to you. But yeah, it's the respiratory illnesses. Now,

(01:36:35):
if you want an inspirational story, standby, I've got a
great one for you seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Whether it's macrove micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME used talksp Whether it's macro,
MicroB or just plain economics, it's all on the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME US
talk SPA.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
You think Trump is fun? Loving him because he's more fun? Wow,
go read Project twenty five. I thought you were better
than that. Bye bye, Tony. I do think he's more fun.
I don't have to deal with his nonsense do I
am not in America. I can just view him and
laugh at him from afar. He has an inspirational story
for you. Okay, listen to this. Two nineteen year olds
have just bought their first home in Topor and it's

(01:37:24):
got a lake view. How about that for a first home.
I didn't have a first home with a lake view. Well,
it didn't have a first home. I had a first
apartment and it sucked. But still they paid seven hundred
and twenty thousand dollars for it. Charlie, nineteen year old.
Charlie works at Pack and Save and his nineteen year
old girlfriend, Courtney, also works at Pack and Save. He's
a grocery supervisor, she's in the deli, and between the

(01:37:47):
two of them, just working at Pack and Save, they
have managed to save the one hundred and sixty thousand
dollar deposit that they needed. And they've done that by themselves, right.
This kid is incredible. He's been working since he was
twelve when he had a paper run. Sometimes when he
was at high school, he worked as many as twenty
hours a week and it didn't really seem to affect
his studies because he still finished year thirteen and got

(01:38:07):
proximai a kiss it, which is second to Ducks. Right,
So he was right up there and the smartest kids
in his school for his year. He credits his dad.
He says his dad is basically a financial advisor to him,
and his dad is obviously doing something right because this
is his third son to buy a house young. The
two older boys bought a place together when they were
nineteen and twenty one. And Charlie doesn't want to go

(01:38:28):
to university because he says he quite likes, even though
he's as smart as he is, quite likes the supermarket
industry and wants to do that as a career and
he wants to own his own store one day. How
impressive is that?

Speaker 28 (01:38:39):
Ants I can't even pronounce proxima dad if. Spotify has
put out a global Impact list for New Zealand artists.
So this is which New Zealand artists who really songs
in twenty twenty four, by the way, so we don't
we're not including everybody are getting the most popular play
overseas on their Spotify. Yeah, the winner was Cambra managed
to beat Lord Lord has No. Two and three. But

(01:39:00):
Kimber was actually on a song in like ten years ago,
not this song?

Speaker 25 (01:39:04):
Is it?

Speaker 28 (01:39:04):
This song something something somebody that I used to know
by her and Goacher has been redone this year by
Chris lake Fisher and Sony Smsny. So that has been
the really big one. So that's why she snuck.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
To the top of the list. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Oh good. Yesterday Darcy and I were singing the song
just randomly in the kitchen.

Speaker 28 (01:39:20):
Because it is a very good song. I can see
why they remissed it like it's good good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Hey, enjoy your evening. Back with you tomorrow. Go the
Olympians Overnight, go the football. Ferns Boom has to the
Canadians cheats, He's Talk Zippy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Plays for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
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