Full Show Podcast: 18 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
News folk said, be.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today, a
terrorism expert is going to explain to us how presumably
Israel managed to blow up all those pages. Another mill
is confirmed as closing in New Zealand. This time it's
actually our only paper recycling mills, so we'll find out
what happens to all of our paper in this country.
And Instagram is bringing in some changes for users under eighteen.
Will get you across that.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, listen, I reckon.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
It's time we ordered our government workers back into the office,
don't you. They've been out of the office since the
COVID days and the lockdowns, have been sort of working
from home for a while. Over in New South Wales,
they're not putting up with it anymore. They told all
their government workers are going back, told them this last
month they'll be working principally from the office, not from
their homes, And they just did that yesterday. At Amazon,
they told the workers there from the second of January,

(00:57):
it's five days a week in the office, thank you
very much. But open the newspapers in New Zealand today
and apparently not our public servants are still working from home.
They are still demanding to only work on Tuesdays, Wednesdays
and Thursdays in the office. They stay at home on
Fridays and Mondays. Nawhy's new outfit. This is Robert Walters

(01:17):
is quoted today are saying that the majority of people
that they encounter still want hybrid working and if they
don't get enough days at home when they're interviewing for
a job, sometimes they just don't take the job because
that's what they're into.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
The flexible working arrangement and a lot of jobs that
Robert Walters is offering actually already just allow the workers
to stay at home on you guessed it, Mondays and
Fridays either side of the weekend. Now, the implications for Wellington,
I mean, by the way, this is so bad in
Wellington that you can actually see it in the traffic.
It's actually lighter on a Monday and a Friday. And

(01:49):
the implications for Wellington are that this is part of
the reason why Wellington hospitality and retail workers or businesses
rather are suffering after work drinks on a Friday have
disappeared in any bars. Some bars see them happening on Thursdays. Now, now,
you cannot tell me that you're doing after work drinks
on a Thursday and you're still putting in a full
day's work on a Friday. Of course you're not. The

(02:10):
end of your week is on a Thursday, and you're
doing light duties on a Friday, aren't you. You're taking
the mickey on the taxpayer dollar. So I actually think,
for the good of the Wellington economy and for the
good of us actually getting our money's worth out of
these highly paid public servants, it's well past time that
our government ordered these people back into the office five
days a week. Increasingly we are starting to realize working

(02:31):
from home doesn't work, course it doesn't. I mean you're
more efficient if you can just go up to somebody
and ask them the question that you need to have
answered in order to carry on with your job, rather
than trying to track them down on email or phone
or text or whatever, because they're at home baking a
cash roll and sitting on the couch. It's quite This
is ultimately the equation you have to ask yourself it's
quite simple. Who do you think is more likely to

(02:53):
be doing it right? Amazon, one of the biggest companies
in the world, one of the Magnificent seven, huge successful,
telling its people to get back in the office five
days a week, or the Wellington bureaucracy who can't seem
to meet any targets at all. I'd go with Amazon, right,
And if it's good enough for Amazon, should be good
enough for our government workers. So I think it's quite
quite well past the date that we got these people

(03:15):
back in the office.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Ever, due for CEL nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Is the text number. Standard text fees apply Auckland Harbor's Bridge. Geez,
speaking of things that just carry on, We've got another
segment in this particular debate about Auckland's Harbor Bridge, another proposal,
this time to rival the mayor's idea of building over
Meola Reef. This time it's a new six lane bridge
right next to the existing Harbor Bridge, which would allow
one bridge to take the traffic going north and then

(03:41):
the other bridge to take the traffic going south. Now,
the man behind this is the architect who actually thought
up Skypath, Garth Faulkner. Hey, Garth, Hello, I'm very well,
thank you. I've been told you've actually met with the
mayor Wayne Brown on this. What's he said, it's.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
It's had a good discussion and he's been interested in
looking at multiple crossing options and looking at opportunity for
urban regeneration and looking at other options rather than expensive tunnel.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
What she said about your version of what you want
to do, because he's already got one.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
He's floated this idea of the Meola Reef and he
seems quite keen on that we have generated a third
bridge optum what we call them the pauseway after the discussion,
so he hasn't really seen that, but he's seen our
water Matar bridge, which is this graceful curving structure to

(04:44):
the west of the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
And did you convince him that it was better than
his Meola Reef version.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I think he feels that it would be better for
a bridge to be away from the central city choke
point based on the number of vehicles going through that
passage that aren't actually aiming to stop in the central city.

(05:12):
He has, he has, but I think overall the priority
has to has to land firstly with providing some support
for the Auckland Harbor Bridge, which is pretty much maxed
out at the moment in terms of its numbers and
its load, and also susceptible to extreme weather events. So

(05:36):
I think we've already got to focus on that first
and then longer term look at another bridge further down
the harbor. And one of the things we talked about
with Mere Brown was in San Francisco, which is a
similar city divided by a large water body. It's got
seven bridges and one of them make the San Mateo
Haywood Bridges, a living columbuses long and they connect community

(06:00):
is and they've connected motorway systems, and they've added up
to new areas of development for San Francisco, which basically
now covers the entire base. So very similar prece of it.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Okay, because the problem I have with you one, I mean,
I love the idea, but the problem is exactly what
Wayne Brown has identified, which is you are still funneling
all the cars Upstate Highway one. Like if you're coming
from the south, all of them still have to go
up to exactly the same point. They have to go
on one bridge or the other, and then they have
to join up again and go down the existing motorway again,
so it's sort of like fixing one problem being the

(06:35):
harbor crossing, but it's not really fixing the congestion on
either side, is it.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
Well, what it does under this proposal there will be
dedicated public transport lanes which at the moment they are
intended for buses, which are more affection to moving people,
and that's the area of growth that we can really
lean to that choke point at the moment. But also
we can open up the two eastern lanes which about

(07:02):
eight meters wide for pedestrian walking and cycling, which you
could take to start off with about five percent of
all movements across the bridge at the moment. So it
would it would would ease that congestion straight away, but
also add resilience.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Okay, Garth, thank you. I really appreciate you talking us
through this. Garth Faulkner, who's the director of Reset Urban
Design and the guy who actually thought up the skypath.
P Diddy is not going to get bail on those
sex trafficking charges that he was arrested over yesterday. A
magistrate has ordered him to be held without bail after
he pleaded not guilty. Now he is accused. This is
p Diddy of coercing and abusing women for years, using blackmail,

(07:45):
using violence to keep his victims in line. And actually
some of the detailer is so grim. I'm not going
to tell you about it. You can go read about
it if you want to, but it just sounds pretty
messed up. He was prepared, by the way, to pay
quite a bit of money to be able to get
out of jail. He was prepared to pay fifty million
bucks in bond just to be able to get out
of the slammer and go on home dey with you know,
an ankle bracelet and all that stuff. But the magistrate said, nah, yes,

(08:06):
staying right where you are in the slammer until you
can face your trial. And God only knows how long
that takes. Over there quarter.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
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Speaker 4 (08:27):
Eighteen passable Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters, It's Mellow.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Dars and the latest from the cricket heather to plus
the Allen is.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Sri Lanka is batting first because they won the toss
and they elected to bat.

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
You want to do something after seven?

Speaker 4 (08:41):
That's all I know. I don't understand anything beyond there
is this a good decision from them?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, it's their decision and it's their home ground, so
they know, so they when the toss they make the
cool plane. There is the best decision to make. Otherwise
they wouldn't have done it right.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Is gone started right, which is better than the lasts
that we tried to.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
Playing to do. But that wasn't the last lot's fault.
Well it kind of was, because they chose to go
to that swamp.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
That's opposed to you refer to being India.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
No, no, no, no, the the greater the ground greater
annoyeder anymore. We can call it less annoyed because that
very annoyed. It that I'm very annoyed.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Spect I love it. Okay, the calm Games, so as
predicted yesterday, down to ten, right.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Who do you take?

Speaker 4 (09:28):
What do you mean? Who do you take?

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, what's sports? Because they've got four stadiums, so they've
got an athletics.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Rugby stadium home prepared for this.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
They've got a swimming venue, they've got indoor stadiums, and
they've got a validrome.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Okay, they have got the validromes for the cycling is safe.
They have got these Scott's Tone stadiums. So athletics and
rugby is safe because there's rugby field there.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, you think rugby would be premiinent because the sevens
is very good, a lot of people are involving in that,
and of course running around in circles and chucking things
around is safe. Yep, you'd think.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
So what is the sec C? What does that endoor venue?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I don't know. It's the Armadello Hub as well. So
maybe things like netball might he think so, because it's
quite a Commonwealth sport outside that cricket, I do think
cricket's gone cricket lawn bowls does that end up being
indoor because a lot of small bowls in the New
Zella Noil is all played indoors, So there's a chance

(10:21):
that sticks around. Hockey's gone there, badminton might stay indoors.
Number the wrestling disciplines could stay in there, with boxing
and weightlifting stick around. Possibly you've got to look at
what a fort what doesn't cost them anything, and the
crowds will turn up to watch, right, squash? Can they
throw up one of those squash courts, you know, like

(10:43):
they do those last ones.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
You do get rid of table tennis?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Well I didn't say that, but you do, though, don't you? Well,
I don't know. Look, the thing is here.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Table tennis is a drinking sport, is not a real sport.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Oh really, yes, you upset some people saying that.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, I mean, do you know you know able?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Do I know more beer pong players? And I don't
shooting things. I'm sure there's a range somewhere they could use.
Maybe they could go there. I think that's sports.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
That mountain biking's gone trends.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Well, road racing I think you should still be there
because it's pretty set up. Just grab a couple of
road cones. I'm sure that old Wayne Brown can lend
us a couple doesn't like them particularly, So maybe that
maybe triathon might survive because that can show off the
granger of glass.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
That's literally people running.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Right and swimming and kind of swimming and dragging themselves
through syriage. Hope, hopefully they've got a nice river or
a lake.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
You know what, why head and during power of attorney
over the Commonwealth game, I would turn off the machine
right now. I'd stop the starade.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I've said yesterday that it's a it's not deep flogging
a dead horse, because it's not quite dead yet, but
it's And people are still standing over it with their
cat and nine tails giving it a flog, and there's
a van out the side of the gate for the
glue factor and they're waiting. Look, it's okay to say
it's the end. No one wants it anymore. And it

(12:14):
costs so much money to run it really does O.
They're looking at spending like fifty cents to get this
one going on, and they say it generates a couple
of million, a couple of billion dollars for the economy.
So my and I've gone with us before, and I'll
stick with it common Wealth right.

Speaker 7 (12:32):
This is an.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Archaic concept that was foisted upon everybody after the British
decided to invade everyone and steal all their jewels. Recessful
idea what it was initially, everything peaks and everything collapses,
America of finding that out, now Britain have found that out,
we will all die. It's your event Britain.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
So you paid for it. That's right, you want the UK.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Thank you, Darcy easy peasy sort of Darcy watergraph. Thank you.
Come on, say how old I am? No, go say
how old I am?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Your news I can't share. Say it forty.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes, yes, I've got a zero day big ones wow.
And I am now in the decade where if you
invite me out for something to do at night, I
do not do it because I've got something more important
to do. Wake up the next morning.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
That's a very good point. N Yep. I'm fifty five
in October, so join my party later on the piece, though,
I'm going to celebrate by getting in my birthday suit
for you.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Hither Oh no, dear, that's the end of that. About,
by the way, choice of your choice of a banger there,
Thanks Andy? All right for twenty three the name.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You trust to get the answers you need Heather duple
c Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
and news talk.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Becaus they'd be by the way on p did he
We're going to be talking to Dan Mitchinson, our US correspondent,
about that before the end of this hour. Heither are
our greatest ever athlete Peter Snell played table tennis at
the World Masters. Harbor Bill wasn't famous for table tennis,
was he? That was just the hobby he took it.
You basically make him a case for me, mate. That's
drinking game. When Peter was finished running, he decided, oh,

(14:16):
I have a beer and play table tennis for twenty
six Now, jeez, I don't know if you've been keeping
across this, but that pager attack in Lebanon is fascinating.
So this morning what happened is thousands of pages in
Lebanon blew up simultaneously. And we're not saying pages literally.
I'm talking about as in like clip on your belt

(14:36):
communication device from the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
What happened was back in July, only a couple of
months ago. Hezbolla decided that they were going to stop
using cell phones because cell phones can be hacked far
too easily, and they were going to go old school
and their whole network, all their officials and you know,
friends and blah blah whatever. We're going to get pages
to be able to contact each other. Big mistake, they
told Reuters. Reuter's a story about that. So the thinking is,

(15:02):
what then happened is that the Israelis read that and
decided they were going to have a crack at the pages.
And the thinking is they are the ones who blew
up the pages today. So first of all, everybody thought, okay, well, obvious.
The obvious thing is it's an electronic device, so they
must have had some kind of electronic jamming, interference signal
or something that made all their pages blow up. But
apparently that is not There's not really something. You can't

(15:25):
really make a lift and battery explode on demand, so
it's unlikely that that's what happened. More likely, if it
is the Israelis, they got into the supply chain. So
somewhere between the pages being manufactured by the Taiwanese and
then his Bolla getting their hands on them and handing
them out to all the peeps, the Israelis presumably put
little explosive devices in every single one of those pages,

(15:48):
and then today bang set them all off. And by
the way, if you have a look at the videos
that are online, these are not little explosions. These are
big explosions. I mean, these are like you can see
in the video, like cloud that is emitted from an
explosion on somebody's hip goes out about a meter, so
you can imagine what that's done to the people anyway.

(16:08):
As a result, nine of them are dead, thousands are injured,
including the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon. So we'll talk about
that after five.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, Heather duple Cy Alan
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
News talk as z'd be.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Pleas either. I'm a trade with thirty years on the job.
My job involves multiple house calls every single day. The
number of people who are supposedly working for a home
but are still in bed at ten to eleven in
the morning is staggering. In the afternoons, they are doing
everything butt working. I have a regular working from home
customer who babysits the grandkids every day. I see it all.

(17:02):
It's one of the biggest rules I've ever seen. It's
got a stuff. Of course, it's of course, it's a rod.
Listen to this, Okay, if somebody in your office is
working from home, yeah, they're at home. They ain't working.
They're doing this with the Mousegle wiggle, weggle wiggle, wiggle
are pretending to work. They ain't working. Who thinks they're working?
Come on, we know they're not working. Say you what

(17:23):
on Monday, Laura write this down on Monday when Nikola
Willist is in because she's the public service minister. Ah,
she comes in every Monday at six o'clock. We are
gonna ask her when she's gonna get the kahonas to
order these numpties back into the office. Because I'll tell
you what, the productivity will go through the roof. Well,
I mean as much as the public servant is able
to make a productivity go through the roof. We will
ask her about this because I have had a guts full,

(17:44):
haven't you? Yes, I have. Now Today big news another
mill is closing. Now this is in part because of
energy costs. This is og paper mill, paper recycling mill
in Auckland's Penrose. But there are implications for our paper. Tom,
run you through that. In a Texas twenty three away
from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
The world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Starting in the Middle East where Kibula are promising revenge
on Israel after accusing it of detonating all of those
pages across Lebanon.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
Incidents reported from all over Lebanon, from Beirut to the
Bakhar Valley and even in neighboring Syria. Hospitals suddenly inundated.
Each explosion may have been small, but man lost fingers
and eyes. Some had gaping wounds to their hips where
the pages were worn. Nine people are believed to have died,
including one child.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
To the campaign trail in the US where jd. Vance
has been talking assassinations, you know.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
By the way, with close to five hundred patriots in
the state of Michigan in this building right now and outside,
I'd like to see an assassin try to come in
this room, pick them the wrong place if you try
to walk into this place right now.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Trump has been ranting about climate change, and when I.

Speaker 10 (18:53):
Hear these people talking about global warming, that's the global
warming you have to worry about, not that the ocean
is going to rise in four one hundred years and
the eighth of an inch and you'll have more seatfront property.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Right if that happened, I said, is that.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Good or bad? I said, isn't that a good thing?

Speaker 10 (19:09):
If I have a little property on the ocean, I
have a little bit more property. I have a little
bit more ocean.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
And Carmela's been defending her weird laugh.

Speaker 11 (19:16):
Well sometimes I think, and I'll say to whoever the
young people are who are watching this, there are sometimes
when your adversaries will try and turn your strength into
a weakness. Don't you let them? Don't you let them?
I find joy in the American people.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Do not tell me her voice is not annoying, because
it is. And finally, would like here's once all of
the mammas out there, San Diego Zoo have performed the
first ever c section berth for a North American porcupine.
Of all things, Maizi. The porcupine suffered complications during labor,
don't we all that required the procedure to protect her

(19:54):
life and that of her little baby boy, and as
a result, Maizie can't drive for six weeks, which is unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
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Speaker 4 (20:05):
Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US Now, Hello.

Speaker 12 (20:08):
Dan, and that's why I am a proud San Diego
at heart, born and bred there.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Hi, Okay, things you are proud of, but how you
know you stick with that? Listen? P did he Okay?
So how long is he going to be in the
slammer before we actually goes to trial.

Speaker 12 (20:23):
I think he's going to be in there for a while.
And I think when he this case is all said
and done, I think this is going to be his downfall,
to tell you the truth, Well prosecute because I think
prosecutors have got a solid case against him at this point.
I think they've interviewed at least a dozen witnesses who
have testified that they've seen women injured as a result
of violence against him. He's being held without bail on

(20:44):
that and racketeering and alleged sex trafficking and kidnapping and
arson and other crimes. I mean, they've been after this
guy for a while, and he was arrested in Manhattan,
and they've been going, you know, putting us together for
at least six months after they read it his home
in Los Angeles and Miami. And I think they've got
enough here to put him away for some time when

(21:06):
all said and done.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Apparently what he was doing was he was getting dudes
and girls into a room and then basically you know,
they were having freak offs or whatever. Is there any
suggestion like I couldn't quite make a sense of whether
this was consensual or not.

Speaker 12 (21:20):
I think that is something that's going to come out
in the case, because you're right, I think there was
a little bit of ambiguity in some of the articles
that I've read, But I think that a lot of
what I read was to do with controlling and he
was buying a lot of these women with drugs and
you know, extortion and I'm holding my financial support from you.

(21:43):
So these are all the allegations, and I think that's,
you know, what's going to get him in the aird.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
So sort of they were coerced into doing it, and
doing it because they were afraid because he was using
violence and blackmail and stuff like that. Okay, so how
long do they wait these guys before they actually go
to trial for something like this on a federal case.

Speaker 12 (22:00):
I think it really just depends on the attorneys to
tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
You know.

Speaker 12 (22:05):
You know, some of these things can get as we've
seen and with with with Trump's case, can be sped up,
and as we've seen with other cases, can drag out
for for you know a number of rappers who can
drag out for years and years. I think it just
depends how much money they're willing to throw at these
at this case and how long they're going to try
to drag their heels.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Okay, it's going to be interesting. Americans are at peak
straits apparently.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Why why not? Is what I say.

Speaker 12 (22:34):
I think we have politics to tell you about right now.
I think we still have COVID. I think we have
the economy. And my two senses, you're listening to this
in New Zealand right now, and you're going, oh, right now,
they're soft over there. But I think this is something
that's not just relatable here in the US, but around
the world because of everything I just mentioned, and the
cutbacks at work and more work for those who are

(22:56):
staying in the office, and it all adds up. And
I think we're seeing a lot more brainfall as well,
which I know is one of those sort of catchphrases
everybody thinks is cute, but I think is something legitimate.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Well do you think brain fog is? What's brain fog?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well?

Speaker 12 (23:09):
I can tell you that I know a number of
people in different situations. My sister, who went through cancer treatment,
she described brain fog that she had for a year
or more because of all the treatments that you have.
I think you have people who suffer from sleep deprivation,
asleep apnea too, that describe that, you know, they have
brain fog because they're just not getting us the amount
of sleep they should be. And then I think there's

(23:31):
just this assumption that we can multitask, which is been
proven to physically be impossible. We cannot multitask. Our brain
can go from one event to another. But and your
boss is not gonna like hearing that. My boss doesn't
like hearing that. But we can't do that, and our
brain just kind of fizzles out after a while.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah, it sounds like brain fo sounds.

Speaker 12 (23:50):
I don't think I've sold you on this.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
No, I was like, she gonna say, sounds like something
that I think we're all familiar with. Actually, okay, it's
like a sleep maybe. But you know who knows?

Speaker 7 (24:00):
You know that?

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Boy, don't we all? I think? Oh? Mate, how was
the Barry Manilo concert at the weekend?

Speaker 12 (24:06):
Oh, it was the happiest concert that I have ever
been to.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
He started to look on the small day like he's
getting old.

Speaker 12 (24:14):
He hear is and you can tell he's had a
lot of work done on his face. His voice is
still fantastic. I was able to go after the show
and spend a few minutes with him and talk to him.
The nicest guy in the world. I would go back
and see that show in a heartbeat, which is as
vagacy as that sounds.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
I would go with you if I had the option. Dan,
thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate. This Dan Mitchison,
US correspondent. He's slightly embarrassed that he went to see
Barry Manilo. But listen, there was a reason Barry Manilo
was begg was because Barry Manilo knew what he was doing.
And he is a happy guy. Okay, So on the paper,
mil So something that's much less happy. The paper mill
that's closing in Penrose and Auckland is the only mill

(24:51):
in this country that recycles paper, which means all of
our paper will now be sent to Malaysia, Like all
of our paper for recycl is going to go on
a ship and go to Malaysia. Now, I think already
Auckland council paper, so Auckland rate payers, already the paper
you checking your recycling, but is going to Malaysia anyway.
I think it's now the rest of the country that's affected,

(25:11):
maybe private businesses who want to recycle and stuff like that.
But anyway, surely someone's done the maths about which is
worse for the environment or which is better, Like is
it better for us to collect all that paper together
and check it on a ship with the carbon emissions
and send it to Malaysia or is it actually better
for us to just dump it in a landfill in
New Zealand. There's only break down in a few years.
We're going to talk to the recycling expert, Perule Sued
at Auckland Council, who be at US ten plus five.

(25:33):
It's quarter two right now.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
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Speaker 4 (25:38):
Certainty, very so for senior political correspondence with US now Barry, Hello.

Speaker 13 (25:42):
Good afternoon, Happy birthday to you.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Lord, Thank you, thank you. That's be the end of
that for today.

Speaker 13 (25:48):
I thank You're the one person I know that never
wants to celebrate any birthdays in any great way.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
It's not because I'm worried about getting old, Because no,
I don't like the attention. And you're doing it now
and you're on radio. Okay, so tell me about Whinston
Peter's a bit grouchy in parliament today.

Speaker 13 (26:05):
Well, you know it was feisty and he was at
the center of it all. I've got to say it
was to the foe defending his sidekick Shane Jones, who
was poking borax at Labor leader Chris Hipkins leaving tomorrow
for the British Labor Party conference in Liverpool. Frustrated Peters
was raising issue with the Speaker, Jerry Brownly about what

(26:27):
the debate has been reduced to in parliament. Here's the
borax poking Jones, how.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
Does a trip to London by a parliamentarian.

Speaker 13 (26:35):
Seeking economic and political salvation contribute to the reduction of
global emissions?

Speaker 15 (26:41):
I'm right, sever their questions all the.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Roder this figure.

Speaker 16 (26:44):
This is a parliament where you're allowed to debate ideas
and concepts, and a very innocent question as to whether
our country's carbon footprint isn't answer by the needless travel
or not.

Speaker 15 (26:55):
The arbiter of whether or not a question could be
asked is actually the speaker, and I've said that one No,
don't argue.

Speaker 16 (27:03):
The arbiter is not the Speaker's personality. It is tradition
and precedent and I'm afraid this Parliament is being because
the words, but as being negatied by unfair rulings. This
is a place of raging war in terms of political
ideas and debate.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
We welcome it.

Speaker 16 (27:19):
We're one of the world's great democracies. So please don't
spoil that development yet.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Now, I know you looked up negatied and it is
a word.

Speaker 13 (27:28):
It basically means the negative aspect of what parliament has become.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I see, okay, I've never heard of it.

Speaker 13 (27:35):
And I probably did what you were about to do
was look it up and see what it did really mean.
I thought, hello, Winston's.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Not He does have a good vocabulary.

Speaker 13 (27:43):
He has an excellent vocaver you.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Then he got grumpy at somebody else.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (27:49):
The debate went essentially from bad to words and Winston
was at the center of it again taking exception to
a Maori Party MP. Takuta Ferris's electoral success, you will
remember last year was one of the surprises of the campaign.
His win was unexpected the family of the incumbent Reno

(28:11):
Terra Cautine. They've held the Tea Titanga electorate for seventy
two of the last ninety one years, which is extraordinary.
And this man came along and he won the seat,
but landed himself in hot water this afternoon when he
pointed the finger at the dishonesty of politicians, Ferris denies.
He claimed politicians were liars. But you ever listen and

(28:34):
see what you think.

Speaker 17 (28:35):
Politicians call this obsification the art of making something unclear,
intentionally vague, ambiguous, to conceal or obscure the truth, to
confuse others lies. In other words, many in this house
are masters of it, and it is a disservice to
those who voted you into your positions.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
Well, unless, of course.

Speaker 16 (28:57):
It is certainly not acceptable for someone experience as he
is too.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Nevertheless, I accuse.

Speaker 16 (29:02):
Some other MPs to keep quite when I'm making a
point of all right, he made the allegation that members
of his parliament of liars.

Speaker 15 (29:08):
He should have been stopped on the tracks right then,
My apologies, I didn't quite pick that up. But if
that is what the member said, then he should withdraw
and apologize as quickly as possible. I haven't made this statement.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
It just called a lie.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
So he called them lies. And then he told a lie, and.

Speaker 13 (29:25):
He told a lie. I thought, come on, mate, and
he was reading from written notes, which don't usually do
in a general debate. So he is reading off a computer,
so he knew full well a sentence before he had
called politicians lies and of thesiscation of the scation.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
I think I was going to say, did you google that?

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Did you see if there is such a opsifocation? So
obviously all mate doesn't have a good vocabulary, not.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
A great vocabulary.

Speaker 13 (29:54):
And to me, he made a tit of himself by
doing what he did, and he deserves all the program
and he gets not to you what probium?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Did I say? O proprium meeting?

Speaker 4 (30:04):
What you what?

Speaker 13 (30:06):
He will be in hot water for those because he
got up straight away said he didn't do it. Well, sorry,
the rules of Parliament you can't do that. So he'll
be either forced to apologize or he'll go to the privileges.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
So he just got his first banking from Winston, didn't
he most certainly did he enjoyed it. I get Barry,
thank you very much, appreciate it. Bary So for senior
political correspondent eight away from five, putting the.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 18 (30:31):
So the police seem on a real roll at the moment,
don't they. When it comes to gang's major headhunter's bus
the other week now charges all over the place for
the common terro's. The claim is that virtually every single
common cero is facing charges or at least some sort
of court time forty one individuals, one hundred and thirty
seven alleged defense. As sociologist and gang expert Jared Gilbert
with us and this is a.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
Really big puss and this is why I think that
people will be successful. And that's we could see the evidence,
of course, Mike, but there.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Is a heck of a lot of kilograms.

Speaker 16 (30:56):
Of drugs have been confiscated, hundreds of thousands of so
make no bones about it.

Speaker 7 (31:01):
This is a really significipt fuss and it's basically taken out.
The common geris.

Speaker 18 (31:06):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking breakfast with
the Jaguar f Pace used talk zb Hey, we have.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Crickets off to a good start for us. We've got
a wicket. Karuna Ratney's been caught by Tom Blundell. Blundell
bowled by Willow Rourke and he only had a couple
of runs to his name. So there we go. How
good is that Labour's going to flip out because Labor's
making such a song and dance about Orcus, which the
rest of us are kind of slantly rolling our eyes at.
But anyway, so let me be fair, Labor and Helen

(31:35):
Clarke and Don Brash are going to flip out because
the Orcist partners Australia, Britain and the US have today
gone public with the fact that they are talking to
US US and Canada and Japan and Republic of Korea
about collaborating with them on defense technology projects. They've put
out a statement they have no full well what they're doing,
put out a statement saying we're consulting with Canada, New

(31:55):
Zealand and the Republic of Career to identify possibilities for
collaboration on advance k abilities under Orcist Pillar two. So
watch them flip about that. Also, what I need to
tell you is that the Polkinghorn defense has wrapped up.
The judge has just sent the jury home. The jury
are going to start deliberating tomorrow, so we're very much
in the final stretch of this now. Pressure appears to

(32:16):
have got Instagram about what to do about the kiddies,
because they've announced today that they're going to restrict what
young people can see on the app, and they're also
going to stop strangers being able to contact young people.
They're gonna set up what they're calling Instagram teen accounts
for all users age thirteen through to seventeen, and they
basically are in a more controlled environment. We're going to

(32:37):
have a chat to nets Safe about it, because generally
when a business like Meta, which owns Instagram, does something
like this voluntarily, they will be doing it because they're
trying to get ahead of restrictions, and they generally will
do less than what the possible restrictions are. So is
this going to be sufficient? Is this going to make
everybody feel happy about the situation? Netflix is with us

(32:57):
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they're not going to let staff work from home anymore.
So she called in sick because she wasn't going to
reschedule her cut. Ah ha ha Bustard. Literally, do you
know what what I want is a story about how

(33:18):
somebody was working from home all day without interruptions except
for maybe we break's lunch break and coffee breaks, and
just was so super productive every single day and then
I'll feel better about it. Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
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And give the analysis.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
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Speaker 4 (33:48):
Afternoon. At least nine people are dead and two eight
hundred injured and Lebanon after an attack on Hezboler. But
this is the interesting thing about it. This wasn't your
standard type of attack. Instead, what happened this morning is
that thousands of pagers, as in the nineteen eighties communication
devices that you clipped on your belt, they all exploded simultaneously.
Kazbola is blaming Israel for this. Israel has not admitted

(34:10):
to the attack. Greg Barton is a terrorism expert at
Deacon University in Melbourne with us, Hey.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Greg, Hey have a good agree with you?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
What do you reckon? Has happened here?

Speaker 15 (34:18):
Right?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Some people are surmising that there was some sort of
electronic interference that caused all the batteries to explode. But
others are saying Israel has got into the supply chain
and put explosives in the pages.

Speaker 19 (34:28):
What do you reckon, Well, the things are becoming reasonably clear.
Now we've not got a admission from Israel, who perhaps
won't have one. They prefer to work with plausible deniability.
Think about the assassination of Ismail Hania when he was
visiting Tehran, the Hamas leader, so that we probably won't
hear any confirmation. But it appears that these devices were

(34:49):
designed by a company called Apollo Gold in Taiwan. Apollo
Gold has said that actually Dispatch was made by a
European company under license, and that would sort of align
with what appears to have happened, which is that somebody
in an SBNR jack has gotten into the factory, or
at least into the devices before they're shipped, and has
inserted a circuit board with some military gray plastic explosives

(35:13):
done in a way that if you open up the
device you wouldn't see anything amiss. These devices work on
wireless like radio signals that you receive a text message
or a broadcast, they don't glocate. So this is the
reason that they had ordered five thousand of these devices
about five months ago, because they recognized that Israel was

(35:33):
able to locate their fighters with mobile phone devices, they said.
Hassan nas Ruler, the leader of his Polus, said back
in February, get off your phones, get off your into
net devices. They're on to us. So they went back
to using this, as you say, nineteen eighties nineteen nineties,
wireless page assistance. Presumably there was in that circuitry that's

(35:57):
added with explosives. It was coded so that when a
wireless message went out with a certain code, it triggered
the devices. Now, some of the devices would have been
out of range and hadn't got that wireless signals, and
not all of them detonated, but it's now being said
that three thousand of them detonated. The amount of explosives
was not lethal for most people. I mean, it's enough
to give you a horrible wound and your hip of
it's on your belt, or you've worse if you hold

(36:19):
it up to your face to read the message. Some
people have lost eyes, some people were killed, unfortunately at
least one child, which is pretty grateful to think about.
But it's it seems more of a psyops operation. So
that his Bulla feels that they can't trust their devices,
they can't trust their communication systems. There's been a major
penetration of their human network. So somebody's given the game

(36:41):
away with the order for pages, and that's very destabilizing
to recognize that you have been compromised.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
So does that mean that does that mean that every
single person who had a pager was linked to his boler?

Speaker 19 (36:55):
Yes, every person. These are pages that were issued by
his Bulla to their personnel. But some of these person
they are not necessarily fighters. Some of them. Bear in mind,
this is a hybrid organization. It's part political, it's a
political party in Lebanon. Some of its employees, as with Hermas,
were healthcare workers and others who weren't necessarily frontline fighters.

(37:15):
Are not saying that they're innocent by association, but but
just that you know, it's not that not every one
of these people with this device was a gun carrying fighter.
Some of them were, you know, sort of bureaucratic, neocratic
personnel within an organization that's a very significant part of
Lebanese society. So it's a really complicated story in terms

(37:35):
of comparability. It's an nasty organization has below involved in terrorism,
so no getting away from this, but there was a
sense that these detonations were indiscriminate because it could have
been a child picking up dad's pager.

Speaker 15 (37:49):
It could be.

Speaker 19 (37:49):
Somebody who you know, wasn't really involved in militant activity
who was targeted. And as I said, the charges were
non lethal for the most part, so it seems to
be more about sending a message and provoking a response
than about really incapacitating his Willow's military network.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Yeah, Greg, thank you very much, really appreciate you explaining that.
There's Greg Barton Deakin University terrorism expert. And by the way,
there is a is it an expectation now that retaliation
is likely and as a result of that, a US
defense ship has just moved away from Israel's coast. It's
twelve past five.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Ever, due for ce Ellen.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
The og paper mill in Penrose is going to close.
It's the latest closure related to energy prices amongst other things,
of course, but it is also, and this is important,
the only paper recycling mill in the country. Perul Sued
is Deputy Director of Resilience and Infrastructure at Auckland Council.
Haperol Hi Good to talk to you again, what's going
to happen to Auckland as recycled paper?

Speaker 20 (38:44):
So the paper and cardboard that you were putting in
your recycling bill and still date will still continue to
go overseas for recycling because the material that we collect
from your cob site, from domestic properties was not going
to the plant in Auckland.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Right, Yes, so our paper in Auckland was going to
Malaysia anyway, wasn't it.

Speaker 20 (39:02):
Yeah, it goes to various markets in Asiel because we
sell paper and cardwood as a commodity in the markets
and we go for where we get a good price
for it.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Yeah. Oh do we get paid for it?

Speaker 20 (39:14):
Y Apsolute recyclables are all treated as commodities, so they're
not just sent there for recycling and they don't charges
for that. We do get a price for it. There
is obviously we need to haul it there, so there
are shipping involved in it, but there is a price
at the end of it in terms of people buying it.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
So who does this affect the closure of the og
paper mill? Is this private companies who were doing their
own recycling of paper.

Speaker 20 (39:37):
There are some private companies that would be supplying material
to the OG plant. But there are other there are
other councils that were providing material to ORG as well.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, so potentially other councils that are going to have
to fall into line with Auckland and send it overseas
to Malaysia.

Speaker 20 (39:55):
That's right. I think as OGI talks about their arm
that collects paper and card would full circle. I think
they call it is going to then send it on
to Malaysia, so they will keep that continuity for service
for those councils and their other clients.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Have you done the maths on whether it is better
for us environmentally to stick that paper on a ship
to Malaysia or stick it in the ground here.

Speaker 20 (40:18):
We definitely have done that work hither because we need
to think about the entire life cycle of that product
or the packaging type, and what does it mean to
actually make it, use it and then put it in
landfill or actually recycle it, even if it has to
be overseas, and what does it replace in terms of
virgin material? And if you take all of that into consideration,

(40:39):
it definitely is better to recycle even if it has
to be overseas.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Much better or just a little bit better.

Speaker 20 (40:47):
No, it is much better because it is actually replacing
virgin material and it is about closing the loop on
the product as well. I mean, it would be great
if you can do everything here in New Zealand, but
unfortunately that can't happen.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Perul, thank you very much, really appreciate time. Parul Sue,
Deputy Director of Resilience and Infrastructure at Auckland Council. Hither
I work twelve hours a day, five days from home.
I've never been interrupted. Ay the egos working from home
uninterrupted because the mobile coverage is poor. Because I've been
doing this for fifteen years. I'm a farmer. Is that
that I mean, that's basically like the only working from
home person who actually does the job properly and doesn't

(41:22):
tick aroun. We're going to talk to Huddle about this,
by the way, when they are with us at about
twenty to six. Also, here's a question for you. Do
you think that we still have fewer deaths in this
country let's say per million, right, fewer deaths in this
country from COVID than the rest of the world. I'm
gonna answer this question for you before this half hour
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Speaker 1 (42:40):
Heather d for Cela said a silly.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Question, but what about using paper to fuel a power station? Oh, Tony,
I don't hate that. I mean I did think about
this today. I was like, should we factor this in
which one is environmentally worse burning the paper or putting
it on a ship then emitting all the way to Malaysia,
and then there may be recycling it because I don't
know if I need to tell you about og but
once upon a time we busted them not recycling the

(43:03):
plastic that we were shipping to Malaysia. Just saying nineteen
past five. Now, how about this? Instagram appears to be
buckling under pressure and is going to control what kids
can see if they're on the social media app. It's
launched what they're calling teen accounts, and these will have
a bunch of restrictions, including being private by defaults so
people can't just randomly message the teens, and also the
teens can only see certain things. Net Safe Chief Online

(43:27):
Safety Officer Sean Lyons is with US a Sean, Hi,
how are you doing. I'm very well, thank you? Is
this good enough? Is this what we want?

Speaker 7 (43:35):
I think it's certainly a step in the right direction.
I mean it's not everything. It doesn't fix all the problems,
but I think what we're starting to see, and you know,
the look like you alluded to, is movement towards giving
more protection by default to young people and hopefully helping
parents to understand and have more of an active role
in what keeping young people safe.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
On that rack, how do you restrict what they see?
What are we going to restrict too?

Speaker 21 (44:01):
Well?

Speaker 7 (44:01):
I mean the biggest one is the fact that their
cants will go automatically from from public to private if
they're not already private, So that's restricting other people's ability
to see. But also with that goes the kind of
sensitive what they call sensitive content filters, So where the
AI detects that some of those images might be violent
or highly sexual or content along those lines, it will

(44:23):
be blurred, it will be obfuscated and won't be able
to be seen by by those individuals. So it's some
content control. And like I say, it's it's the right stuff,
but there's there's there's a lot further to go.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Are you reading this as them being worried about the
possibility of countries like Australia banning kids under the age
of let's say, sixteen, I am sure.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
I mean, I don't know, but I'm sure they're aware
of all of the kind of legislative calls that that
that that are going around and people's genuine feeling that
that perhaps there's more to be done. Not sure what
that what the motivation it is. I mean, they're US
based company that they're probably legislation changes the foot foot
there too, but I think it is probably in recognition

(45:06):
of the fact that the more of the community, the
users are saying we would like to understand how these
platforms could be safe, ound we'd like you the platform
to try and make them safer.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Sean, it's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you
for that. That's Sean Lyon's net Safe Chief Online Safety Officer. Hey,
so the Commonwealth Games. So yeah, on the last legs.
But guess who loves the idea of the Commonwealth Games.
Oh that's right, the New Zealand Olympic Committee. Yes they do,
and they're going to be with us in about quarter
of an hour to explain why five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected the news talk as they'd be, whether.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
We need to copy Singapore burnwaste, generate power, no pollution
as the filters a world class state of the arttheider.
I love it. It's five twenty four. Now. Look, as
we've discussed and still are obviously, another mill has closed
in New Zealand. This is og in Auckland. Now. My
first reaction to these mill closures, which are four Now
you've got the two Windstone mills and the og mill
and then one of the Methodics plants. My first reaction

(46:10):
to these closures was to be really worried about it,
and to be worried that something was going wrong for
New Zealand. But the more that I've thought about it,
the more I wonder if there isn't just a different
way of looking at this, which is that our economy
is growing up and becoming more sophisticated. Yes, we are
losing something. We are definitely we're losing jobs and that's significant,

(46:30):
especially for the people who are going to lose their
jobs because of this, and we're also losing national income.
But we're also letting go of an old way of
doing business in New Zealand because I mean, let's be clear, right,
that kind of manufacturing that we're talking about here that's
closing down of low grade product is only viable in
really poor economies where people are paid poorly and where

(46:52):
input costs like labor and energy and so on are cheap.
Now that was us for a while there, but increasingly
that's not us anymore. That's part of why OG is
shutting down here because, as they say, people in New
Zealand are paid too much for them to be able
to make a decent profit. Now is that bad? Is
it bad that we're letting go of being a poor

(47:12):
economy And what's happening instead is that we are growing
what we call the knowledge economy in this country, right,
the really smart stuff, the F and P, healthcare, the
rocket labs. That part of our economy is growing faster
than the rest of our economy. We've been talking about
wanting to grow the knowledge economy since the two thousands,
for twenty years. That is the future of our country.

(47:33):
Now I realized This isn't a straight a maths equation here, right.
You don't take a worker from og paper mill and
just give them a job at rocket Lab and think
that that's going to work. It's not a It doesn't,
you can't. It's just not a maths equation. It just
doesn't work like that in an economy. It's not how
economies work, which means of course that there are real
life people out there who are going to be hurt
by the d industrialization of the country. There are entire

(47:54):
regions like U a peer who are going to be
really badly impacted. But in the long run, is that
all that bad? I mean, if we start looking here
in New Zealand more like a Scandinavian economy and less
like Mexico, is that a bad thing? Heather Duplicy Allen, Okay,
here we go. Do you think that we still have
fewer deaths from COVID in New Zealand than the rest

(48:15):
of the world. Because this is the big story, right,
This is just Cinda and Grant's legacy and anchippies as well.
They're like, we had to lock down and spend many,
many millions, million, billions, millions of dollars to keep lives,
save lives and keep people alive. Well, okay, we are
one month away from catching up to the rest of
the world in terms of COVID deaths per million. This
is from Auckland University economics professor Robert McCulloch, who's looked

(48:38):
at the numbers. He's crunched the numbers on our world
and data, and we are catching up so fast that
if we keep climbing as fast as we are, we
will exceed the global average in about a month's time.
We are tracking higher than the rest of the region.
So Oceania, you know, all the other little islands around us,
all the little Pacific islands and ourselves and stuff, we
are tracking higher than Oceania. So this then begs the question,

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if we're going to end up with pretty much as
many deaths per million in this country as the rest
of the world, or even more deaths per million in
this country than the rest of the world, was it
worth locking down because we spent millions and billions of
dollars on saving lives that we're losing anyway. So we
had two options, right, We had the option of just
letting like taking the hit people would die, or putting

(49:24):
ourselves in lockdown, spending heaps of money, having inflation and
people die anyway? Which one was better? Headline's next.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
The hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see Alan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected and used talk
as it'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Me a an even one more sign because I'm taking
all of the signs. Another sign that the economy is
starting to and slightly and hit in the right direction.
Consumer confidences up now as well. We're gonna have a
chat to Satish Ranshot of Westpac after six the huddle
standing by here. The feel free to call me a
stupid tart, But wouldn't we have had thousands of deaths
if we hadn't locked down? And then we have thousands now?

(50:15):
So you can double the amount, John kind of, that's
not really the theory. The theory is that there are
a whole bunch of people that are gonna die of
COVID no matter what you do, because they're old or
they're sick or whatever. Right, so you can give them
the jab as much as you like, but eventually it's
just gonna kill them because they're kind of vulnerable. And

(50:36):
so no, you don't end up with double the amount.
The idea is that you can't really protect these people
as much as hard as you try, and it will
get them eventually. And so that's what we're seeing now
is that we locked down. We locked down until we
had pumped the jabs into ourselves and given ourselves the
maximum protection, and if that had worked, we should have
fewer deaths per million than the rest of the world,

(50:58):
but we do not. Therefore didn't work. So the idea
is that you just end up with the people who
were going to die dying anyway. I mean, this is really,
let's be clear, what I'm saying is brutal right, it's
really quite grim to think about people's lives like this.
But that's actually the calculation that they take when they
make decisions about locking down and stuff. And if you
look at the numbers, according to Robert McCulloch's analysis, then

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you would have to say the wrong decision actually was
ultimately taken. And somebody text me and said, but it's
the benefit of hindsight. Well, Sweden didn't have the benefit
of hindsight, and they took a completely different approach to us.
So some people actually did do something different. Twenty three
away from six to al, all right, So the Commonwealth Games.
It looks more likely that Glasgow will actually host this
in a couple of years time. They've officially submitted submitted

(51:40):
their proposal. The games will be small though, only ten sports,
only four venues, a budget, opening and closing ceremony, and
no athlete village. Nicki Nickel is the NZIOC chief executive.
Hey Nikki, Hey, how are you? Heather? Very well? Thank you.
Do we know which sports have made it through?

Speaker 22 (51:56):
No, we don't at this stage. All we do know
is that swimming in athletics are in because that's been
part of the Commonwealth Games blueprint, and we are waiting
like the other sports. What we do know is that
there are a number of venues that have been named
and those of the venues will be utilizing a number
of sports.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
So that's powers from the venues like a is one
of the venues a cycling venue.

Speaker 22 (52:19):
So we're just waiting like everyone else, and I think
for us, it's just we haven't speculated because we just
don't want to put more anxiety out for the athletes.
But we're waiting and we'll work with the sports as
soon as we know to work on plan A or
plan B.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
I mean, the thing about it is right, cutting from
twenty one sports last time to ten this time is
quite a drastic reduction. Ay, there's going to be quite
a few athletes who are disappointed.

Speaker 22 (52:43):
So if we look at Glasgow in twenty fourteen, they
had eighteen sports. We know, Victoria we're looking to have
more sports. So the games have been around that eighteen
to twenty for quite some time. So yeah, cutting to
ten is a big change. But I think, you know,
we have to recognize the unprecedented time that we're in
Withctoria pulling out and so on the back of that
very disappointing decision from our friends across the ditch, we

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have had to pivot. And you know, I mean I
have huge gratitude and support for what Scotland have done,
and you know they have said, well, look, if we
can work within a financial envelope that has no drain
on their community, they can deliver something really special and
I think they will do that, but again, just won't
be at the same scale that we used to.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Do you think this is the last Games?

Speaker 21 (53:25):
No?

Speaker 22 (53:26):
I do not think this is the last Games. And
I think for many reasons, and certainly for the community
that I live in. Commonwealth Games is a really important
event and having just been to Paris as well, and
we're still in the glow of the success of Paris.
Many of the athletes there, sixty percent of the athletes
that competed in Birmingham made the top eight at the Olympics.

(53:47):
So from our perspective, from a high performance perspective, it's
really important. What we need to do is make it sustainable.
And actually that is one of the benefits of the
work that Scotland have done is they've taken out costs,
have optimized the delivery model for the Games and hopefully
that will make the next Games twenty thirty and twenty
thirty four much more sustainable. Therefore we'll have, you know,

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be back to the good old Commonwealth Games. In world.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Who's hosting twenty thirty not.

Speaker 22 (54:14):
Confirmed, So I think we still confederation have been have
been focused.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Are we still going for twenty thirty four?

Speaker 22 (54:21):
We have still an expression event just around twenty thirty four,
and in certainly what we have learned through this process,
and I've spent a little bit of time with our
friends from Scotland and I'm going over there again later
this year is to actually understand their whole new economic
model that sits behind it, because that again will make
it much more attractive for us to be able to
consider what a feasibility and that could look like.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Nikki, thanks for talking to us through it, Nicki, Nicole
n zoc's chief executive. Nineteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
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Speaker 4 (54:52):
Your home Huddle this evening. Jack Tame, host of Q
and A Saturday Mornings and Mark Sainsbury broadcast to high lads, Kilder,
don't you have it very well? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Jack?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
That dead, aren't they? They are dead?

Speaker 23 (55:03):
The Commonwealth Games yeah or something else? Yeah, I mean
that's a really good point. See as a as a
sports fan, I will be honest, I don't get remotely
excited about the Commonwealth Games, but I can see that
from the NDC's perspective and high performance sports perspective, it
is really valuable to have an event like the Commonwealth Games,
which is kind of like really many Olympics. We have

(55:25):
athletes from different sports and different backgrounds coming together in
a village environment. I can see why having that as
preparation for the Olympics is really valuable. But yeah, obviously
the Commonwealth Games compared to the place they held even
twenty years ago in our lives, you know, I think
I think it's a pretty diminished role. And you know,
good on Scotland for pairing things back. But it'll be

(55:47):
interesting to see whether or not a peered back version
of the event is enough to maintain sufficient eyeballs to
make a viable in the future.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
I mean, because you compare it back, and you compare
it back, and you compare it back, says, and then
you want to eventually it becomes like a crappy version
of the Olympics and what it already is, but then
a crappy version of World Athletics as well, and in
the end you just don't watch it anymore, do you.

Speaker 21 (56:10):
Well it comes back to also what's the purpose. It's
a bit like sort of TV and Z and cutting
all the current affairs and stuff. You got to sort
of say, well, what's your purpose for being? So if
the Commonwealth Games was the scene of all about unity
and bringing everyone together, you start pairing it back. It becomes,
as Jackson, probably a very expensive training exercise for the Olympics. Look,

(56:30):
I think the days have gone on. Guys at school
when they had the seventy four Olympics here in New Zealand,
you know, there was such excitement, but it was a
different kind of event. And these World Championships, you know,
don't forget any two years you've got world champions up.
There's a whole spectrum of different sporting contests. Oh yeah, Look,
I'm a bit like Jack. I don't think I'll be watching.

Speaker 23 (56:51):
I think there are some sports that will suffer more
than others. Like it's a netball, for example, that I
can see that the conmost games are really important to
a sport like netball, right, whereas for you know, for
some other sports women that are competed by more nations. Yeah,
swimming and you know maybe athletics, perhaps they're not as important.

(57:11):
But you know, but but you can see from an
athlete's perspective that there are very few occasions when they
get together in that village environment and you're kind of
bunking down in a room to someone who's from a
different sport and you know you've got the opening closing ceremony,
that whole kind of atmosphere. I can see that from
a high performance perspective, that is super valuable. Yeah, now,
but that won't be happening of course in Gays go no,

(57:33):
no no.

Speaker 21 (57:34):
And also you were asking, I mean the list of
the venues includes the Connor Walth Arena and the Sir
Chris hoy Velodrome, So I think it's a pretty good guess.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
We'll beyond the.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
On the list and netball's okay, I can confirm for
the netball lovers, but I think mountain biking might be
a little stuffed. Listen, guys, we'll come back and just
to take have a chat about the mills closing and
when where the public servants need to get back into
the office five days a week, sixteen away from six
the Huddle with.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
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Speaker 4 (58:06):
Right, we're back at huddle, Jack Tame and Mark Sainsbury
Sainsbury sains How do you feel about the mills closing?

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (58:13):
You know what I was.

Speaker 21 (58:15):
The funny thing is that this sorry, this all aged me,
but it comes back to nineteen eighty four, you know,
when labor government came in and Roger nomicson out New
Zealand's manufacturing base was absolutely decimated. They had to start
off again, and there was the similar sort of talk.
And I think you made the best point earlier on
when you said, these are people's lives and their prospects

(58:35):
of finding somewhere else in that region to work is
not there, and you can't just suddenly say well, go
and work for you know, Callahan Innovation, get onto the
new wave. What's just as an associated point, because you're
talking about going on to the knowledge based economy, we're
cutting back in the budgets of things like Callahan that
are the ones that are going to promote that. So look,
I think it is tragic, but are we surprise sadly?

(59:01):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
No, no, and Jack, the point I was trying to
make is that the the industrialization of New Zealand sounds
like something is quite scary, but actually, if you want
to have a sophisticated economy, this is what happens.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 23 (59:14):
This is I think this is going to be one
of the biggest challenge for challenges for developed economies and
decades to come. And I think actually we've already seen
a bit of whiplash from this. When you think about
you know, some of the political events of the last
few years in the US and the UK and what
the industrialization has actually meant for those economies.

Speaker 21 (59:37):
You know, I think we really need to.

Speaker 23 (59:39):
Start having much broader public conversations about the future of work,
not just for people who are fortunate to benefit from
lots of educational opportunities, but for people who are mid career,
who are perhaps working from moving from blue collar industrial
type jobs when those jobs aren't going to exist in
the fest And it is a mass of challenge for

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economies around the world, especially in an age of you know,
of free trade. But I reckon this is this is
very sadly a sign of the times, but probably one
that is going to be repeated time and time again
in the coming years, and we need to get onto
doing something.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Yeah. I think you made a very good point there, Jack,
that I might actually come back to later on. Hey
sainto So, I reckon it's high time that we actually
tell the public servants, right, you're working five days a
week in the office. It's nonsense. It three days a
Week's got to stop. What do you think it'd be.

Speaker 21 (01:00:25):
Great for Wellington? I mean the number of businesses, I
mean we keep seeing all these hospitality and food business
You imagine you set up your sort of coffee bar
or whatever, and suddenly you know huge phrase of people
simping you're not coming into the office. And then of course,
I mean, this is this is on top of all
the retrenchment and redundancies. It's not great. So get them
back into the office, stimulate the local economy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah, and plus, no one believes Jack that they're actually
working when they're afternoon drinking. He's on a Thursday.

Speaker 6 (01:00:53):
This is the thing.

Speaker 23 (01:00:54):
So I find it really hard to get an absolutely
clear measure on productivity. I think what's becoming increasingly clear though,
is neither the open plan office one hundred percent of
the time or the working from home one hundred percent
of the time are actually in the interest of maximum productivity.
And I just speak from personal experience here, Like I
find that if i go to the office three or

(01:01:16):
four days a week, but then I'm able to have
one day at home where I'm out of that open
office environment, where I don't have people constantly walking up
and interrupting me, it's the perfect blend.

Speaker 21 (01:01:25):
I'm really productive that way.

Speaker 23 (01:01:27):
And I just wonder if some sort of a shift
towards a model whereby maybe not every day at home,
but maybe one day at home or an afternoon at
home a week for productivity's sake is everyone's interest.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Yeah, okay, So Jack makes a fair point saying so
that we don't have any idea about productivity. But if
you have one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon,
saying that's it, you're back in the office, that should
tell you that they know this is not working.

Speaker 21 (01:01:52):
Yeah, with a great history and work is right because Amazon,
that's a fair point. Look, it depends what you're doing.
If you're a firefighter, you can't work from home, you know.
But if you're a call center operator and you can
do that from home and you've got kids to look
after and that works out, that can work out really
really well. I think for us, all of us, we

(01:02:14):
all enjoyed the skin meet us who used to get
in an office and talking to other people. And if
you're working on a story other people's perspectives, you don't
get that. When you're at home. You miss all that
stuff and one of the nuance. So I like that,
but it really does depend on what you're doing. And
the problem is they've opened that they've pulled the cork out,
haven't they? People people have tasted working be home with Gay. Well,

(01:02:35):
I'm now going to put that into my contract.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Yeah, because they want to. They want to sit at
home and bake a cast role Jack. Why does the
Prime minister hate you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Why does he want to come on your show? Jack?
Does he not like going on Q and A.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:02:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:02:52):
As I said the other day on Q and A.

Speaker 21 (01:02:53):
We've requested him many times. I know he's a busy man.

Speaker 23 (01:02:56):
We've tried to work in with that busy schedule, but
at least appeared to various predecessors from both national and labor.
So far, he hasn't appeared as frequently. He hasn't actually
appeared in more than a year. He hasn't appeared since
he's been Prime minister.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
And I think, I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:03:13):
I think there's democratic value in putting questions in a
long form setting to our elected officials, and that includes
the Prime MINSI it's a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Sign of the times, A saying though, like it's us
catching up with the rest of the world. You had
just into all of a sudden cut right back on
what she wanted to do, didn't want to go on
news talks'd be You've got act not wanting to go
on another radio station. You've got prime ministers not wanting
to go on long form interviews. It just feels like, Yeah,
it's getting a little partisan, isn't it.

Speaker 21 (01:03:40):
Well, look, I mean it's it's their short, big and true.
You can't be forced, you know, open up with the media.
You know, you can't be forced to come on. But
I think sometimes it's going to be to their deth froment.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
You know.

Speaker 21 (01:03:51):
I mean they must make a celca and say like
we're that you know, won't go on R and Z
your morning report because they think it's sort of you
know too whatever. I think it's mistake treated Badley, Yeah,
but they probably calculate that as a as a political
plus for them.

Speaker 23 (01:04:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
I think it's because they accused them once of eugenics,
and I feel like I'd be pretty cross about that too,
But I don't know if i'd cotally ban them anyway. Listen, guys,
thank you appreciated. That's Jack Dame Mark Sainsbury. I huddle
this evening seven away from six on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan drive with
one New Zealand one giant leap for business news talk as.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Hey, we're expecting a Federal Reserve announcement tomorrow, so we're
gonna have a little chat to Milford Asset Management just
before half past second. Get their take on what's going
to happen. Mosart Now on the business of Mossad blowing
up all those pages, Well, we think it was them,
So let's just assume that for the purposes of the
story it was them, because it seems a very sophisticated
thing to do, and only they can actually pull something
off like this. It is just the latest if it

(01:04:54):
was them in a run of quite creative ways of
going about their business, say like telegraphs. Run a piece
today which outlined some of the more creative things they've done,
and it is quite incredible. One time they tried to
kill Suddam Hussein with an exploding book. This was in
the nineteen seventies. The problem for them was they had
forgotten the factor in that Suddam Hussein was notoriously paranoid,

(01:05:17):
and so when the book arrives, like you or I
would be like, oh, it's a book, open bang. Not Saddam, No, No,
he was notoriously paranoid. So he gave it to his
official set open the book, and the guy opened the book,
and unfortunately he died and Suddam survived. So there was
a little hiccup with that one. Also, once upon a
time they poisoned the toothpaste of a chap who was

(01:05:37):
leading the liberal the Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestines was alway back in seventy eight. They got into
his home, they took his toothpaste and swapped it for
an identical tube, like how you even know what toothpaste
he's using, I don't know, which had a toxin developed
by Israeli scientists in it, and either time he brushed
his teeth he was slowly poisoning himself, and eventually he
went to hospital in Iran. They flew him to East

(01:05:58):
Germany to see if they could save him. Doctors found
the toothpaste, but he died ten days later, and it
wasn't a very nice death. They use a remote control
machine gun to assassinate the head of Iran's nuclear program
in twenty twenty, but also in twenty ten, they assassinated
a Hamas arms dealer in Dubai in his hotel by
flying in a hit squad on false passports. These guys

(01:06:18):
pretended to be tennis players. That's how they got into
the country. I'll tell you what if you want to
read about amazing stories of managing to track down Nazis
in like random places like Argentina and how they go
about it, there are some amazing yarns. So how Masad
went about and did that? Anyway, so it's just the latest.
It would appear in a long line of very creative

(01:06:39):
solutions to their problems. Here the government department worker here
in Wellington, we can't work from the office the whole
time as we don't have enough desks to save money
to meet cost savings expectations from the government, our organization
had to give up office space and reduce our footprint
and the only way they could do that was to
roster us from home. So it's not all our fault.
Fairpoint consumer confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Next, keeping tracking where the money is flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
With the business hour, we'd the duplicy Elan and my
hr on news talks at b.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Even in coming up in the next hour. It's a
big day for similar today they've got the green light
for the equity rays. We'll have a chat to the
Shareholders Association about that, Milford Asset Management on the Fed
Reserve decision that we're expecting, and why are so many
businesses in this country not keen on ai. We're gonna
have a chat to spark about that. It's seven past
six now. Consumer confidence, this is good news, is on
the up, even with the cost of living front of mine.

(01:07:32):
The latest index shows that consumer confidence went up nine
points in September. But even though it's up, more people
are still pessimistic than optimistic. Senior economists at Westpac Satish
ranchods with us.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Now, Hey Satish, great to talk Kena.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I'm very well, thank you. Now, this is rather than
a change in circumstances, this is hope that's pushing it up, right.

Speaker 20 (01:07:51):
I think that's exactly it.

Speaker 24 (01:07:52):
Households does still sing a lot of pressure on their finances,
but the optimistic that their financial position is going to
improve over the year head and I think there's a
good chance of that for a lot of households.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Do you expect because I mean it's been a little
bit voluntar volatile lately. Do you expect that the track
from here is just up.

Speaker 24 (01:08:09):
I think we're going to see some of those big
pressures that households have been dealing with, especially high interest rates,
coming down over the coming months, and I think for
a lot of households that does mean their financial position
is going to improve as they go into twenty twenty five,
but it's going to take a while for them to
see it in their back pockets.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
Yeah, So it is a possibility that this is a
philip and that people then realize actually, it's going to
have no real impact in the short term on their finances,
and so they dip again. Is that a possibility?

Speaker 24 (01:08:33):
I mean, I think there's a little bit of a
chance that households start to feel a little bit cautious
as it takes a while to feed through, But increasingly
it does look whether it's borrowing rates coming down, inflation's
coming back, and I think they're going to start to
feel a bit more optimistic going into twenty twenty five.
Some of those headwindes have been pretty tough the last
few years, and there's a big relief now coming through.

(01:08:54):
It's just going to take a while to show up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Why is it that women are so much more pessimistic
than men.

Speaker 24 (01:09:00):
I think in a lot of families there's still one
family member who's got a close eye on the finances,
and for many New Zealand families it does tend to
be a woman. And I think if you're confronted by
those cost pressures, especially at the supermarket or when you're
paying the mortgage, that's likely to be a big drag
on confidence. And women, of course often responsible for a
lot of the big spending decisions made by many healthels.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Yeah, probably explains today, Satish, thank you very much. Listen
to the ladies. Satish Ranschod, senior economists at Westpac. Hey, okay,
two things we need to talk about. First thing, the
teachers who have been complaining that their workloads are too hard,
blah blah blah. I don't know if you're aware of this,
but they have got a concession from the government. This
hasn't actually got that much media attention, but actually I

(01:09:40):
think it's reasonably significant. The corequisites for NCAA have been delayed.
Now what that means is, you know those exams that
everybody's failing at the moment. Those exams. Excuse me, those
exams are at the moment not compulsory, as in, if
you fail the exam, you can still make up the
numbers elsewhere by doing some other assessments and stuff like
that's a coloring and of a picture or something. I

(01:10:02):
don't really know. Anyway, it was supposed to be compulsory
though from twenty twenty six. That has now been delayed
by two years to be compulsory from twenty twenty eight.
Next time a secondary school teacher complains, just point this
out to them and be like, you've got you got
four years grace here before the thing actually kicks in.
So good on Eric A. Stanford for listening. I feel slight.

(01:10:23):
I'm ever so slightly disappointed that we're going soft on it,
but anyway, what can you do. Second thing we need
to talk about is Matt Heath. Matt Heath is coming
to work here at zid BE. How good is that news?
If you haven't caught up on it, It's gonna be
the afternoon host with Tyler. Can I say that he
was the first person that I suggested to the boss
when they were like, oh, we got to find new hosts.

(01:10:43):
I was like, Matt Heath, Matt Heath Man Heath. Now,
the reason that's not to say that I am intelligent. Basically,
people at zed B just want to have opinions on
absolutely everything, including who their colleagues are, and this is
just an example of his I was like Matt Heath,
Matt Heath, Matt Heath, Man Heath. I don't think the
boss listened to me. I just think that it was
so obvious that it had to be Matt Heath that

(01:11:04):
I just got lucky by actually seeing the obvious. And
the reason that it was obvious was because Matt Heath
is a really intelligent person. And this surprises people all
the time because he's been He's been tom fooling around
his whole life, isn't he. I mean he has in
Deja Voodoo and he was back of the Y and
then he was on hod I keep playing the silly
bugs and stuff. But he's actually a really intelligent man,
like super super smart, So it was a no brainer

(01:11:26):
that he'd be coming here. I'm so thrilled because he's
actually a good human as well and desperately funny. So
it's just a combinat. It's the perfect package basically on
me and then Tyler who's going to be working with him.
Bless that man deserves that. He's been doing very very
well at the radio. And I couldn't be more pleased
frankly that the pair of them have got the job.
So how good is that is in good hands? Isn't

(01:11:47):
it six twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results? It's Heather Duplicy
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Well you know what you need? You need a range,
don't you so? Anyway, good on you. Yeah, I'm pretty
stoked about this. It's called a pass by the way
in Battle Dairy Company sin Lay was thrown a bit
of a lifeline today, but it is going to have
to massively lift its game if it wants to avoid
another bailout in the near future. The shareholders voted in
favor of a two hundred and eighteen million dollar equity raise.
Bright Dairy obviously contributed the Lion's share It's now got

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sixty five percent of Sinley and A two put in
about thirty three million bucks and keeps its almost twenty
percent stake. Oliver Amander from the Shareholders Association was at
the meeting this morning. Is with us now? Hey, Oliver,
good evening? Hat tough on the minority shareholders?

Speaker 14 (01:13:44):
Say, very tough on the minority shareholders. I mean, look
for minorities, this really is a bit of a dead rat.
But they've swallowed that dead rat today. They've taken the
medicine and sin They lives to fight another day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
What was the vibe at the meeting? Did you get
the feeling that people were reluctantly on board with this
or you know, pretty enthusiastic.

Speaker 14 (01:14:04):
I think that summarizes it well. I think the word
reluctantly on board makes absolute sense. I mean, certainly we
heard a range of us previously in the lead up
to the meeting in terms of some shareholders who wanted
to contribute to maintain their pro ter holding to avoid
that dilution that you mentioned in your intro.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Others were quite.

Speaker 14 (01:14:23):
Happy that that bright was coming to the rescue. And
I think most shareholders, myself included would recognize and acknowledge
the support, the immense support that Bright has provided to
the company.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Are you convinced that the plan is going to work.

Speaker 14 (01:14:37):
Well, I guess there's things you do when you're desperate,
and that Sinlay was certainly in a very distressed state,
and that the most urgent priority was to make sure
that the company could actually restructure its balance sheet, that
it was in a position to repay its debt, to
meet the demands of its banking syndicates and so on.
So look, that's got to be the first priority. And

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if you can survive today, you can always has lived
to fight tomorrow, and that now becomes the next set
of priority.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
So it's gone from.

Speaker 14 (01:15:06):
Extremely distressed to now now they're just stressed, and that
they'll have to take The company will have to focus
really hard and its operating performance over the coming twelve months.
They'll have to focus really hard on the activities that
sought out its operating issues, particularly in the North Island.
Now they've taken steps to do that, but there's a
long way.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
To go, so you know all the rest of them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Yeah, are they going to be able to convince the
farmers to stick it out?

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
With them.

Speaker 14 (01:15:32):
That's and that was discussed today and actually the chair
did go into some detail around some of those initiatives
that they're undertaking. Yes, the North Island Strategic Review is
really important to them. The farmers in the South Island
supply the dun Sandal facility really important to them. There
will be a lot of focus the company has placed
will place in those key supplier relationships. So I've got

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no doubt that the work will already have begun on
that and it needs to continue. So the company still
was carrying, as you say, some significant operating risks going forward,
and the proof and the pudding will be over what
happens over the next twelve months. There's a marker on
the way they've got. In less than a month's time,
they will be a couple of weeks time they'll be

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announcing their financial results for the previous financial year, and
no doubt at that point will be a bit a
bit of an update as well.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Wasn't you who asked at the meeting today whether they
might need another bail out, another equality raise in a year.

Speaker 14 (01:16:27):
It was answer, I think yes, and a look that
the company did respond really clearly on that, and he
and the George Adams's comment comment, quite appropriately was that
they have to earn their stripes before they come back
to the market. Other words, they've got to have some
proof on the board that they have actually delivered something
and that that is a reasonable answer, and that the

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key that what was behind my question was signaling that firstly,
that that operating performance over the next twelve months is
absolutely critical for them to be able to still cope
with what is a significant level.

Speaker 6 (01:17:03):
Of debt that they have.

Speaker 14 (01:17:04):
They've just refinanced their banking syndicate with a four hundred
and fifty million dollar facility. That's still a lot of money. Yeah,
and so they are still reliant on a good performance
over the coming twelve months. And look, George Adams did
acknowledge that as well, so it was a very clear answer.
But it's not imminent. They're not going to come to
the market tomorrow and want more capital, but they do

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need They still have a lot of work to do
to make sure the company can operate well. There're still
inherent risks that they need.

Speaker 15 (01:17:31):
To deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
Olive, it always good to talk to you. I really
appreciate your time. That's Olive, Amanda new Zealand Shareholders Association.
So as I was telling you right now, it's twenty
pass x by the way, as I was telling you
after six thirty, we're gonna have a chat to spark
because the vast majority of small and medium enterprises in
this country don't plan to use AI. It's sixty eight percent.
Sixty eight percent of SMEs do not plan to use AI.

(01:17:52):
They either don't understand AIO or they don't think it
brings value. Now, I'm not alarmed by that because we've
been talking about it in circle of friends and stuff
about whether we're using AI. Some of my friends are
using AI all of the time to write, for example,
speeches or presentations or that kind of thing that pumps
it out. Then they basically tidy it up. But I've

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tried to use it, and I've had a bit of
a rope my personally. What's happened to me? That's proved
problematic because I would be using it basically for really
fast research. Right, So I would say, for example, to AI,
I don't know, let's just make something up. Give me
a list of National Party cabinet ministers who picked their
nose in history. And the problem is as far as

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I know, the AI chat GPT that I was using
only goes back. How far does it go? Aback Laura,
I feel like it's to twenty twenty or something like that.
Like in terms of its scraping of news articles doesn't
go back that fast, maybe twenty twenty one. So I
only get about three years worth of content. I remember
more than three years with content. What's the point like
an AI out of my brain faster than that and

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get more out of it. So there's my problem immediately
is that it's really promising, but it's limited in what
it can give me. And this is I mean, look,
I don't know where things have changed in the last
few months. Is the last time I used that? That's
as far as I got, So I kind of see
that while it's promising, you could sort of see where
it's going to go, it haven't quite got there just yet.
But anyway, we'll have a chat to spark about it
when they're with us and see what they're picking up.
Six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
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Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Billy Eilish is the latest of the like Hollywood and
pop star, you know, like the celebrities to endorse Karmala Harris.
She and her brother have done it in an Instagram video. Interestingly,
they're taking a very similar approach to Taylor Swift, where
they're basically encouraging people to register to vote, which is
basically how because that's the problem that the Democrats have got,
So that's what they're tapping into their Like it's National
Voter Registration Day, Go and register, we're voting for these

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guys and so on. So mobilizing is basically the big thing.
We'll see how that goes for them. At the moment,
it's six twenty five. Now, all eyes are going to
be on the US Federal Reserve tomorrow. Mo I think
the furdest tip to cut the official cash rate in
the US. It will be the first rate cut since
twenty twenty, so a lot's riding on it. Andrew Kurtain
from Milford Asset Management will be watching in US with us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
Hey, Andrew, Hey, hey, so what do you reckon? Are
we going to get a rate cat? And if we do,
how big?

Speaker 25 (01:20:15):
Yeah, I'm confident we'll see the first rate cut, mainly
because it's made very clear from Jerome Power at the
Jackson Ole conference last month that he thought the time
has come to cut interest rates. So what the market's
expecting at the moment is around about somewhere between twenty
five to fifty basis points. It will be one of
the other, but the sort of leaning towards a fifty basis.

Speaker 26 (01:20:34):
Point cut, which is, you know, which is larger than
what you usually see where you tend to see banks
kick off with the twenty five basis point cut. But
I guess the other thing that's important to note with
announcement tomorrow is it's not just the interest rate cut
the market will be looking at. They'll also be looking
at comments.

Speaker 25 (01:20:50):
Made by the feed him and Jerome Powell where we'll
do a press conference afterwards and he tends to give
a little bit about look on the companies and sort
of action where they see the heading and watching these
comments very closely.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
The US economy is actually performing quite a bit stronger
than New Zealand at the moment, so why are they
cutting rates?

Speaker 14 (01:21:10):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
The US economy is actually growing at around.

Speaker 21 (01:21:13):
About three percent. It's that's sort of trends trend levels
of growth.

Speaker 27 (01:21:17):
You know, that compares to where the economic growth has
essentially been about zero over US twelve months. So the
US has a position that they are thinking of cutting
interest rates while the economy is still strong. But the
reason the cutting the market has started to weaken.

Speaker 26 (01:21:34):
So over the last twelve months or so, you've seen
unemployment rates increase from about three point five percent to
four point two percent.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:21:41):
Jerome Powell said about a month ago that he doesn't
want to see the labor much more.

Speaker 21 (01:21:45):
So.

Speaker 26 (01:21:46):
The way he gets in front of that is growing
in a little bit of nualist of the economy by
lowering interest rates, which tends to help the economy back up.
Now through in a fortunate position as well because their
inflation levels have come down to about two point five percent.

Speaker 21 (01:22:00):
That's sort of broadly within the sort of target.

Speaker 27 (01:22:02):
That the Fed Reserve has for inflation, so they're they're.

Speaker 25 (01:22:05):
Able to now cut rates without fear of sit inflation
continuing to run away.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Yeah, very interesting stuff. He Andrey, thank you appreciate it. Mate,
We'll have to leave it because that phone line's a
wee bit on the dodgy side, doesn't it. That's Andrew
Kurtain Molfit Asset Management. I have got my hands on
thanks to Jason Walls, lovely lovely young man who sent
it through to us. The Talbot Mills Pole which has
obviously been released to counter the Taxpayer's Union Curier Pole,
which was released yesterday. Some interesting stuff in it actually,

(01:22:32):
So I'm gonna rng you through that shortly. We'll do it.
We'll do it after half by six. Heather, You're wrong
often often mate, chat GPT's original knowledge and training base
was up to twenty twenty one, so not after twenty one,
so it knew everything that happened before twenty twenty one.
It's now been updated. It's able to search the web
up to the present day. This is fantastic news, kick
and thank you very much. So I knew it was

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one or the other, right, but still kind of like
if you're trying to do research it kind of it doesn't.
You've got a gap there, and in quite a sign
of gap in the recent history. In fact, I don't
know which is more significant, recent or distant history. But anyway,
either way, there was a bit of a bug in
it for me. But now I know that it's it's comprehensive,
and so I will forthwith start using it immediately to

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do intensive background research on everything that I talk about,
and hopefully things will improve a great deal from here
on in. Okay, next up, let's talk about that which
is AI. I'm going to have a chet to spark
about why it is that people are so reticent on
it in this country. They're gonna be a US shortly
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Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Right, We're going to the UK and ten minutes time
we've got Gavin Gray there and I'm going to run
you through what I think is probably the most interesting
part of the Talbot Mills pole, which has clearly been
leaked or released whatever however you want to frame it
has been put out there in order to kind of
counter the narrative that we're getting from the taxpayers Union
Curier Pole, which came out yesterday and showed that Chippy
has like fallen through the floor in terms of popularity.

(01:24:39):
Just really quickly, an update on what happened yesterday with
the vapes and all that stuff. You remember the vape
that the Health New Zealand did the sting on the
retailer selling vapes and sighis to underage kids, and they
busted sixty four of them doing the wrong thing, which
is ten percent of them. They've dished out the fines now,
so the vast majority of these businesses of the sixty
four will get fines of around five hundred bucks for

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doing what they did. But wow, a couple of them
have wow been walloped. There is a christ Church cigar
and tobacco retailer it's going to pay twenty eight thousand
dollars for breaches eight sales obviously to underage people and
advertising breaches. And then in Napier there's a vape and
tobacco store which has been fined eight thousand dollars for
repeatedly selling single cigies. I mean, how old school is

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a single ciggies and wrongful advertising of tobacco products. It's
twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Seven ever, duper clan.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Now, sixty eight percent of small and medium businesses in
New Zealand do not plan to use AI. They either
don't understand it or they don't think it brings value.
This is according to a enz Ieer's quarterly survey of
Business opinion now. Earlier in the year, Spark did some
research as well, and that found that AI will in
fact lift productivity way higher than labor productivity alone. The
head of Data and AI at Spark, Matt Bain, is

(01:25:50):
with us now, Hey, Matt, hey, Heather, did it surprise
you that this many businesses are not going to do it?

Speaker 29 (01:25:58):
I think if you look at Michael ot the US,
forty percent of you as small businesses are using it.
And so while we're behind, there's a good opportunity for
us to get get onto this trend. The new genitive
AI capability is democratize what used to do. You know,
big companies like Spark have been able to lean into
the stuff, but it's been not accessible for a lot

(01:26:18):
of smaller businesses. So all of a sudden, it is
and we're really focused on how can we help educate
small businesses to make the most of it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
Why is it that they don't think that they need
to use it.

Speaker 29 (01:26:30):
I think people don't realize how powerful it is. So
a lot of people think it's like Google and you
can ask it to create image for you or answer
a question. But you know, I'm in marketing, so it
can write your marketing plan, it can create your advertising,
it can take your existing plan and act as a
consultant to tell you how to improve it. So it
can really help to a small business which is resource

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constrained to do much better than it's currently doing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
But why don't businesses realize this? They're not fiddled with it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I think there's some training required.

Speaker 29 (01:27:01):
So one of the complexities is that these large language
models are trained on the entire world's information, so every
book that can be read, and therefore if you ask
it a general question, it can hallucinate or give you
a weird answer. So there's some training required to go
how do you give it the context required so it
gives you the right answer. And so what we're focusing
on is how do we train businesses and business leaders

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in this country to get the most out of the
platforms they have access to.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
Matt, I don't know if you found this. I mean
you probably haven't because you seem like somebody who's quite
o fay with technology. But I found the whole thing
quite fiddly. Like I had to go in and log in,
create an account, which is not unusual, but then you
have to go into this like what it feels like
quite a complicated little platform to be able to ask
the single question, Like it just isn't as user friendly

(01:27:47):
as Google, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 21 (01:27:49):
Yeah, there's a little bit more complexity to it.

Speaker 29 (01:27:51):
I agree, heither, And that's why we think it's important
that we focus on educating businesses because once you do
get it, it's a very quick learning curve a week,
you can be really competent, but it's not quite as
simple as Google with a single search box.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
You're right, okay, right, So if you get on board
as a smaller business enterprise, smaller medium sized business enterprise,
how much can this actually help? Do you think.

Speaker 29 (01:28:17):
It can help in every aspect of your business? And
so I think a good rule that I always tell
my team in small businesses I meet is you should
be using it ten times a day already because there's
a bunch of stuff you're doing, you know, writing emails,
replying to emails, creating reports. That this thing can augment
your capability. You can do it much faster. So it's
really easy to get started on small tasks. There's a

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lot more complexity you can get into. But really what
we're focusing on is how do you get started and
start to appreciate the value it can deliver really quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
I might have to get into it, Matt, Thank you
very much, really appreciated. Matt Daan head of data at
ai OH Data and AI at Spark. I mean, for
a start, obviously, what I would be doing is asking
it to just speak English for me. That would help
a lot. Okay, here we go. This is the tail
Mills poll that's been released today that Jason Wolves is
very kindly given to us because he's got his hands
on it. What I find fascinating. What this is not fascinating?

(01:29:06):
I mean, this will be absolutely no surprise to you
at all. The issue that is the top issue for
voters of every single party is the cost of living
and inflation. It is number one FITZ Party, Maori Green Labor,
National Act and New Zealand First Voters. There are only
two parties that have voters of which have in their
top five race relations. Those two parties are the Maori

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Party and the ACT Party. It's number two for voters
who vote for the Marori Party, race relations is and
it's number five for ACT voters. For every other party
it doesn't feature in the top five. The top five
is filled out with things like housing, climate change, health, poverty, crime,
the economy and so on and so on. Now that
should tell you that is why ACT is going hard
on race relations. That's why the Marty Party is responding

(01:29:52):
on race relations. That's why the Prime Minister of the
National Party is trying to dampen the thing down and
not talking about it at all. Interestingly, if that is
Luxein's approach, that is the approach that Labour should take
as well, and they should basically shut up about it
because it's not in their top five for their voters.
I'd be interested to see how that changes as the
Treaty Principle's Bill gets underway and whether it has an

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effect the otherwise the wise Frankly, the poll says completely
the opposite of what the Taxpayer's Union Curier Poles said yesterday,
which was that the country's headed in the right direction,
This pulse is headed in the wrong direction, that Chippy's
popularity has fallen through the floor. This Pole says it's
actually neck and neck with Chris Lux and he's on
twenty six, Chippy's on twenty two, and that the parties

(01:30:35):
are quite close. It has some corporate favorability, which I
think is quite fascinating. Trade me is the most favorable
business in this country. It's got an overall favorable rating
of seventy nine. The warehouse, he the ware house still
way up there, number two seventy nine in New Zealand
still has a favorability rating of seventy seven, which surprises
me because I think they're quite crap at their job,

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so that I take as quite a big surprise. Kee
we Banks right up there with sixty four. Spark As,
it's sixty four favorability Fonterra sixty two, B and Z
fifty five, west Pac fifty two, Contact Energy fifty one,
and from there on down, it's just you know, poor
old Sky TV forty two Transpower thirty five. That'll be
because that because I don't know if you're aware of it,

(01:31:21):
but one time some transpower contractors took all the butt
bolts out of and the pulse and yeah, the power
went out. Yeah, and then they didn't want to talk
about it. That'll be that, I think. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
WE there's a dispute over a song and whether it's
the same and it involves Miley Cyrus and Bruno Mars.
I'm gonna let you be the decider of that. Shortly
fourteen away from seven, Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Gavin,
good mine? How Yeah, so the pager thing is not
a good look for the company that makes the pages right.

Speaker 30 (01:32:00):
Indeed, so the company is called gold Apollo, and as
we know, nine people including a child killed after these
handheld pages used by members of Hezbollah exploded across Lebanon.
But the question is, well, how did that happen? And
the boss, the founder of this Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo
says the pages were reportedly made in Europe under license.

(01:32:24):
Now the man is refusing to name the European country
or indeed the European firm that had the right to
do this, But this model of device AR nine two
four was certainly being made in Europe, and earlier security
services telling Reuter's agency that Israel's Mossad spy agency planted

(01:32:45):
a small amount of explosives inside five thousand pages brought
by Hesbala, but at the moment no agreement or no
confirmation from Israel about that. But it is said that
with five thousand pages, of course, could be the start
of something very very lengthy to further exacerbate the situation

(01:33:05):
in the Middle East.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
So what is the point of what the boss of
this company is trying to do. Are they trying to
say they themselves weren't infiltrated, like, is it them trying
to distance themselves from possibly Israel? Or are they trying
to brand protect you? Because I don't know that it
helps with the brand.

Speaker 30 (01:33:21):
No, I mean I actually don't think. I don't think
he's trying to do either. I think it's just a
sort of a comment or a reporter that they weren't
made in Taiwan. They were made in Europe, and it
does kind of not detract in any way from the
answers that have to be given. But if something is
made under license, of course those license conditions are very strict,
but it does mean therefore, if Israel is responsible, that

(01:33:45):
Mossa is operating within Europe quite freely and managing to
get into what one would think anyway a very sensitive
high tech manufacturing organizations and high tech manufacturing headquarters. So
this is definitely something that a lot of people around
Europe are going to be looking at to see what
company was making this underlicense.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Yeah, yeah, very good point, now, Gavin Norway, So it's
got more evs on on the roads now than ice vehicles.

Speaker 30 (01:34:13):
Yes, isn't this an interesting one? So Norway's really spearheading
the way of the two point eight million private cars
registered in Norway now, seven hundred and fifty four thousand
are all electric, seven hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Three thousand run on petrol. The country has five.

Speaker 30 (01:34:32):
And a half million people. It's aiming to become the
first nation to end the sale of new petrol and
diesel cars by twenty twenty five. So it is a
very very tight deadline for those, of course, but the
sales of EVS electric vehicles really boosted in Norway by
the government introducing big tax breaks and other incentives for

(01:34:54):
those people buying these electric vehicles. But of course may
will point to the country being massively wealthy. It has
a sovereign wealth front of nearly three trillion New Zealand
dollars built up from the proceeds of oil fields, and
it is interesting that this country, which is the largest
exporter of oil now has such a big push on

(01:35:15):
electric vehicles.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Yes, so listen on on Catherine. She's had her first engagement,
but it's not one that the public's been able to see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Her at no correct.

Speaker 30 (01:35:25):
So good news in that Princess Catherine, the Princess of Wales,
Prince William's wife, has attended her first work meeting, but
it was behind closed doors at Windsor Castle. We only
found out about it after it had happened, and it
was about one of the charities one of the groups
that she's involved in, about early childhood project. Because so

(01:35:48):
she's very very keen on the fact that the things
that you learn in your childhood and experience in your
childhood really do come to life in your later years.
Of course, this follows the video message last week where
she revealed that her chemotherapy had ended and the relief,
saying had been incredibly tough, but says there was a
renewed sense of hope for the future and I think

(01:36:10):
we're now beginning to see her slowly return to royal
life and role duties. It'll be very carefully managed. I
think what many people are going to be looking at
is will she be able to actually attend in person
and in public remembrance events in mid November, but also
the Christmas Carol concerts coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Yeah, it should be interesting and beast of luck to her. Gavin,
thank you as always we talked to you in a
couple of days. It's Kevin Gray are UK correspondent nine.
Oh okay, you're going to have to listen to both
these pieces of music and make if your iyma. We'll
do it next night away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
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on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR,
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Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
Zipp okay, here we go. You be the judge of
this okay. Miley Cyrus is being sued for copyright infringement
over this song twenty twenty three's hit Flowers bugin Varnasa.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Flowers name said.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Right, Tempo Music's investment. Tempo Music Investments rather is the
one who is suing Miley Cyrus. They're accusing her of
ripping off the malady and the harmony and the chorus
of a Bruno Mars song that he released in twenty twelve.
This one bugin Varnasa, Lord, that would be really quite
ripping it off. No, just try this one should have

(01:37:34):
bargil Flowers should get your armors. That's a straight rapof,
isn't it. Like Laura Beatty doesn't agree with this, but
then she masters in the violin, so obviously only has
a limited knowledge of music. The problem with it is

(01:37:56):
I am one hundred percent sold on this. Not that
I think that she should be sued for it, because
I think, oh, for God's sake, like, let lighten up
every body. But it is obviously a rip off, isn't it,
Because the difference between Miley Cyrus the song and Bruno
Mars the song is just simply that the beat is
a lot faster. If you listen to his listen how
this is the this is the bit, the flowers bit.

(01:38:16):
He's slow, should have bargil flower speed it up and
it sounds like this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Bugging manas a flower.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
Slam dunk.

Speaker 6 (01:38:26):
Andy, Yeah, it's a slam dunk. I'd be sewing big time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
Would you?

Speaker 6 (01:38:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Why would you be suing that?

Speaker 6 (01:38:31):
I need to be made on that one?

Speaker 31 (01:38:32):
Well, because like the lyrics is like it's clearly she's
listened to that song and she's made some type of
It's not a parody obviously, but like you know, she's based.
She's reversed the song almost.

Speaker 4 (01:38:41):
So Tess adds to this conversation because Tessa is sent
to text through saying Miley Cyrus wrote the song as
a knockback to Liam Hemsworth, her ex husband, right, and
their wedding dance song was the Bruno Mars song. So
she had permission from Bruno apparently, which is why he's
not suing her. Just the record company is. But it
seems that the record company has the problem. So what

(01:39:02):
it is, and this is what I thought immediately when
I heard it, was she didn't rip off. It's it's
a creative reinterpretation of the same thing. It's an or mush.

Speaker 31 (01:39:12):
It also shows how little say Bruno has doesn't it
He doesn't want to do it, but the company can
just do whatever they want.

Speaker 4 (01:39:18):
Well, they're just money grubbing executives, aren't they exactly? Yeah,
now I like this. I mean the heaps of art
is built on previous art and twists on previous art.
I think everybody just needs to settle.

Speaker 6 (01:39:28):
Down anyway, But there's money to be made.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
But there's money to be.

Speaker 24 (01:39:31):
Made for.

Speaker 6 (01:39:38):
Heavy Birthday Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Thank you man.

Speaker 31 (01:39:41):
It's been really good and you've been really easy to
just get along and kind of wishy heavy birthday today.
You weren't awkward out in the office with that cake.
Barry started singing.

Speaker 6 (01:39:51):
I told him not to. I said to him, I
was going to do a very impression there.

Speaker 20 (01:39:55):
I want.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
I am stressed out today. I've got so much stuff
to do. Don't sing happy birthday to me in front
of everybody. And then he did it.

Speaker 31 (01:40:03):
He started it really like Barry's voices were kind of
a little bit flat.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
And then yeah, you kind of went into it, but anyway,
and then.

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
And then I cut the cake. Can we paint the picture? Please?
So I stood there with my arms folded, listening to
you people sing god awfully. And then I took and
then I tried to walk away, and when you finished,
like as polite, and then he was like, you got
to cut the cake. So I went up to the cake,
grabbed the knife, cut it and walked away, didn't I.

Speaker 31 (01:40:26):
Yeah, you're like an awkward you're like that kind of guy.
I didn't want to a speech at the twenty first.
I like being he's great, like that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Yeah, except it came from a very.

Speaker 6 (01:40:36):
A lot better. Happy birthday though, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Like I've done this for forty birthdays.

Speaker 22 (01:40:40):
I know what I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Can we please stop singing it tomorrow?

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