Full Show Podcast: 29 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.
The government is still tidying up the building industry. Now
it's going to allow trusted builders to basically inspect their
own work. So we'll speak to the Minister Chris penkarfter five.
The cops have reopened the Arthur Eastern murder case from
the nineteen eighties. Then our alpha in quite a big reward.
And we're also going to go to Jack taym at
a Trump rally and Georgia in about an hour's time.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Heather dupless L.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, so on that. We're now down to the last
week of the US election campaign, and I would expect
embrace yourself because the election coverage will ramp up, like
really ramp up from here. It's gonna be pretty full
on over the next week. It already has started. And
actually I was particularly interested today in some of that,
in particular Simon Wilson's take in The Herald on this
where he basically skewered John Key former Prime Minister John

(00:59):
Keith endorsing Donald Trump. I mean, endorsing is a strong word,
is I think that's what John Key was doing. And
you might remember the interview was an interview kind of
at the start of this month with Samantha Hayes for
three News, and what John Key said was that Donald
Trump would be good for the US selection not particularly
good for New Zealand because of his foreign policy and

(01:21):
the tariffs and worker and the isolation is and blah
blah blah, all that kind of stuff, but on balance,
good for the US economy. Now, I don't know that
that's an endorsement, is it. I mean that felt to
me just like an assessment in his opinion of the fact.
So I would share John Key's view that Donald Trump,
on balance is going to be good for the US economy.
I'm not telling people in the States to vote for

(01:41):
him that would be an endorsement anyway, whatever, So you
can read into it what you want. I mean, that's
cut to the heart of what Simon was doing in
his column, right. He was criticizing John Key basically for,
in his words, sproking a tyrant. Now, this is an
interesting thing. I don't think this kind of criticism well,
first of all, give you some context, right, you'll have
heard this stuff before. This kind of criticism of someone

(02:03):
who expresses a a favorable opinion of the baddie an
election in politics is not new. I mean, you cast
your mind back to Todd Muller, who was back then
the leader of the National Party. The biggest scandal that
he faced while he was in the leadership was that
he had Maga hats on display. Because you know, Donald
Trump is the baddie. But this is the interesting thing.
I don't think it matters as much to have a

(02:25):
crack at somebody for something like this anymore. I think
it's lost its punch this time around, doesn't carry the
weight it did back in twenty sixteen. Part of the reason,
I think is that moral criticism for choosing the wrong
side has been completely overused in the last ten years
or so, and anything that's overused eventually wears thin and
loses its power. But also I think it's because it's
not just a case of good versus bad. I mean,

(02:47):
there are other things to take into account, like the economy,
which is more important, and Donald Trump wins on the
economy apparently, and many Americans also think the Democrats aren't
as good as a lot of us think, as many
of them think the Democrats are as are corrupt as
they think Republicans are corrupt. Kamala Harris is unappealing in
her own way. She's doing really weird things. One of
the craziest things I've seen her do is offer interest

(03:09):
free loans to entrepreneurs as long as they black, not
anybody else. I mean, set the racial politics stuff aside,
which I'm not into any way. It's such a gross
example of pork barrel politics. She has lost the blackmail vote.
She is chasing the black mail vote, so she is
prepared to give them basically free money as long as
they vote for her. How unashamedly transactional is that, anyway.

(03:32):
I think that's one of the most interesting things of
this election campaign in the US, the fact that Donald
Trump has shown, even if he doesn't win, just through
his popularity at the moment, that his election in twenty
sixteen was not a mistake, because he's coming very close
to repeating at this time around, and that if people
feel more empowered to say out loud that he's the
best candidate in some respects they are doing that, and

(03:53):
also that criticizing them for it just really doesn't sting
as much as it did eight years ago, does it?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Together? Do for see it?

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Well?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Welcome to away in nine two nine two is the
text number. Standard text fees apply Now on domestic issues,
it looks like you're going to get fewer mail deliveries.
There is a proposal to cut mail deliveries in towns
and cities from three times a week at the moment
to two times a week, and then in rural areas
from five to three times a week, and also to
cut the minimum number of post shops from eight hundred

(04:23):
and eighty right down to five hundred. Now MB's in
charge of this, and the guy in charge of post
at MB is James Hartley. Hey, James, hi, Yever, this
is out for consultation. But I mean this is headed
in only one direction, isn't it. This is going to happen,
isn't it.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
We are looking forward to getting feedback from community on
how they use their postal service. But the reality here
is that we know that Kiwi's ascending a lot fewer
letters than they used to in two thousand and two.
For example, one billion letters went through the postal system.
It's now down to about one hundred and eighty million,
so that's a huge decline over that and it's continuing

(05:00):
to decline. So we think it's the right time to
seek some public feedback on it's the best way to
maintain a mail service whilst ensuring that zip posts remains
financially sustainable as well.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Do we actually need a mail service.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
And totally. The feedback we have is that some communities
still very much do rely on the male service. I
think particularly those in rural areas, maybe the elderly as well.
We are seeing numbers declining in urban areas. For example,
the average post box gets about two legs per week.
In rural areas it's a tree lys per week, and
there's declining, but it is still important for some people,

(05:42):
and that's why we're seeking feedback on how are people
using the mail service? What do they want from their
male service?

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Is it all?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, if there are how many okay, how many
people do you reckon there are in the country who
say to you, yeah, yeah, we actually really need this.
We are in the elderly community or whatever, and we
have to have the mail delivered. What proportion of the
country do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
That is?

Speaker 5 (06:04):
It's hard to judge, and that's that's kind of exactly
why we are seeking feedback from the community.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
We know you reckon though, James, because I reckon, I reckon.
You're a bit of an expert. So what do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
How big do you think it is?

Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's said most letterboxes will be receiving mail each week.
We know that about ninety nine percent of the mail
that goes through the system is from either the businesses,
organizations or the government, So only about one percent of
letters are sent by by individual So that's pretty small,
and it's obviously dropping has dropped since since the advent

(06:38):
of email. We are to seek that feedback. Who is
still using the letters of the mail system? What do
they want from the mail system?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Why don't you guys just go hard and pull the pin,
like make the bold call, pull the pin and force
anyone who still says sends letters to use the career service.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
So there are still one hundred and eighty million letters
going through the system at the moment.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
But James, how much of that is crap? I mean, like, honestly, genuinely,
most of the mail that I get is like estate
agents who still have me on their database, sending me
letters that I don't want.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
So I guess you get six second feedback. What we
are doing is negotiating the government's deed within their posts,
which sits out probably for a three to five year
period that I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
To give you an out here, James. I'm trying to say, like,
you know, let's do this, Let's take the hard decision,
let's make the people use the career and shut this
nonsense down. What do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (07:44):
I reckon? I'm keen to hear from the public about
what their expectations are, and especially those in raw communities
and the elderly as well. How are people still using
the male system? Maybe maybe the years to come might
be a broader conversation around around mail.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
But mate, it's not far away, though, is it, James?
Like I reckon, like one hundred percent of my life
done in your life, dom, I reckon, in the next
ten years, we're going to shut this down, don't you reckon?

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Hard to say. If it's ten years, what do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Then?

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I don't know. I honestly don't know. That's why we
are we are seeking this feedback from the public. How
are people using the male system the BO This is
not a uniquely new Zealand issue and we've seen postal
systems around the world grappling with this issue. So you
know that in Australia, for example, de Us moved to
every other business day for their deliveries as well, So

(08:35):
there's something that everyone is grappling with. The people are
still sending mail at the moment.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Listen, explain to me why is it that rural areas
get more deliveries in towns and cities.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
As I said, Actually the stats are that the rural
areas do do get more leagus per week on average
than the urban and then the urban counterparts. So it
does appear that rural users are using the male service
a bit more. Again, we're Kingdom to dig into that
bit more. What are your expectations for the mail service?

(09:06):
Is there a differential an expectation between rural and urban areas.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, very interesting, James, listen, thank you very much, really
appreciate it. That's James Hartley, MB's General manager of Communications
and Infrastructure, sixteen past.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Four, digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
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Speaker 2 (09:34):
Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Cooasters at BA does hello, Heather
back from the weekend.

Speaker 7 (09:38):
You have a good one, absolutely huge, so much fun.
In fact, some of it I didn't even want, Jenny sport.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Sport is fund for the rest of us, but to you,
it's worked.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
No, it's a huge amount of fun. I enjoyed it.
But I was invited to a barbecue from some old friends.
So I took my daughter up to the barbecue and
she played with all of her friends who go to
the same high school, and we sat around enjoyed company.
I have two beers so I could drive home and
then I drive home and turn the sport back on again.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Oh yeah, straight back. Did you watch Liam Lawson? Did
you see him?

Speaker 7 (10:09):
I watched everything. I couldn't help myself. Yeah, yeah, I
was quite surprised by that. I didn't from what I
know of Liam Lawson strike me as something he generally.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Normally seems like a very chill do here.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
I think what you've got is a situation when he
gets on the race track, it's that white line fever.
He is a very aggressive race and we've seen that
from his early days and he's running much smaller categories
that when he's out there, he will not take a
backward step. He's not dangerous, he's not nasty. In fact,
in that Formula One race, there were times you had

(10:39):
to get out of the way of other people because
he wasn't racing them, so he moved away and let
him carry on. He's not stupid. But when it comes
to a Yuki Snowder and poor old Checko Sugio Perez,
of course he's gonna fight with them.

Speaker 8 (10:51):
That's what you do in motor sport. You fight with him.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Was Perez and the wrong, you know, I.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
Think that had a wee bit of it in both
in long I see, but it's so that the rules
now around when you can and can't pass at what
apex are very confusing. But I think what we've got
here is that we've got a guy who's on the
way out and he's very angry about it, and we've
got a guy on the way out and the way
in who will not take him back with him.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
So Perez knows he's on the way out.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
There has got too.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
In the entire and the same car as Max Fist happened,
and he's not performed, and he was at home, he
was in Mexico. He started the race right at the
back and then he started beyond the white line that
you put your front wheels on. So each he's under
a huge pressure. He's not responding very well at all,
and so there was a niggle between them like I
wouldn't have flipped the bird. But it doesn't matter. No,

(11:41):
how you get respect in the race track and these
guys saying, oh, you know, you need to respect your elders.
You need to No, no, no, no. How do you
get respect from your racing?

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You win?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
That's how you get respect. He's not he's not cheating.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Am I right to that point? Am I right in
thinking Perez came in last and Liam Lawson second to last?
Does that count against Liam Lawson because he's got to
prove himself.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
No, because in qualifying out did him. And the problem
with Liam that he's got it right. With three laps
to go. I think it was Colopinto. He actually hit
Colopento trying to turn it on and he took his
front wing off, so we had to go to the
pit lane and come back again. But up until then fantastic.
I think you look at what he's doing up against
Yuki Smoda, who's the other guy in the racing ball

(12:26):
team who's vying for that other seat. Yuki was going
pretty fast and qualifying, and then he put it into
a wall which right at the very end of qualifying,
which ruined his qualifying mape, then ruined Lean Lawson's qualifying mape.
And then the first thing that Yuki did when the
race started he crashed into a wall, so he ended
qualifying in a wall. He started the race in a war,
which is not He's under a lot of pressure as well,

(12:47):
and I think that Liam Lawson is responding to the pressure.
But we'll see how it goes to the consecutive race
when we're at the beautiful Interlagos coming up this weekend.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Brilliant Darcy, thank you very much, appreciate it. Looking forward
to you show. That's Darcy Watergrove Coast back at seven.
It's four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Be either if you address the Ginny Anderson star Star
Star star today, so you put cluster up whatever, whatever,
whatever euphemism you want to check in there, check it
in there if you address that today, Heather. The point
that all commentators have missed is that this is an
older man with a medical condition cancer. He may well
be challenged by whatever is going on under his clothing

(13:35):
at the moment. He's been so well dressed for decades,
and I believe she's mocking something medical. That's from deb
I don't know if you've caught it, but yeah, the
wind blew unfortunately across Charles's suit and kind of it's
kind of just kind of framed, you know, the bits
around the nether regions a little unfortunately. And so she
retweeted or whatever repost. I don't even know what social

(13:56):
she was using, but she somebody mocked his bits and
then she was like huh and endorsed it. Problem with
Ginny is Ginny's been a liability on the socials for forever.
In fact, Ginny is a liability since forever. I remember
back I used to do the Wellington Show, that Nick
Mills is doing. Like twenty seventeen, she went on Socials
and just told just like randomly had a crack at
me about something she thought that I had done, kicked
her off the show. I can't even remember the detail

(14:18):
about it. Had to say to her, Ginny, you can't
just say stuff like that if it's not true. And
she was like, but it's true. I was like, okay,
lady anyway, and then of course you'll remember the Mark
Mitchell stuff where she called him a mercenary and stuff
like that. I just feel like maybe somebody in the
Labor Party needs to take the Socials off, Ginny, do
you know what I mean? Like let her earn it
back like a star chart, Ginny, if you don't say

(14:38):
something stupid for ten days or that, you do one tweet.
You know how you do that with your toddler, And
you're like, if you do wee wize every single day
by yourself, you get a chocolate bar at the end.
You've got to do that with Ginny. Be like, if
you're good for ten days what comes out of your mouth,
you get to do a tweet and then we'll upgrade
you to Instagram as well. Like something okay. Anyway, Barry
Soap is going to be with us on that more seriously,
he'll have some serious takes on when he's with us

(15:01):
just before the end of the hour. Anthony Albanezi, by
the way, has been under prescire Today's trying to explain
his relationship with former Quantus boss Alan Joyce and has
twenty two flight upgrades. A new book has claimed that
Albinizi and Joyce chatted directly about upgrades for the family
and personal travel.

Speaker 9 (15:18):
Barn about this. All of my flights have been declared
in an appropriate way, just as Peter Dutton declared his
flights or some of his flights. There is a difference
between both of us. My flights were commercial with Quantus
or Virgin or Emirates. They were all declared in the

(15:39):
appropriate way. I didn't have to declare any flights on
private jets owned by billionaires like Gina Ryan Hart because
I haven't engaged in it.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Oh that's okay. I didn't go flog. I didn't take
all the greedy stuff coming at me. Just a little
bit anyway, muzz on that very shortly. We'll get to
some of the texts on Simon Wilsome v John Key
headlines next.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Hard Questions, strong opinion, Heather Duper see Alan Drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Let's get connected and used talk as it'd be.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
You're not.

Speaker 7 (16:27):
I'm falling apart, ride in front of cadle very.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So it's going to be at us in ten minutes time.
Murray Olds is standing by out of Australia. Here the
Simon's piece in the Herald says more about him than
sir John Key. Here the reasonable support with John Key
and your commentary on Trump. The point that you've missed
here is that there should be no sting in having
an opinion, which I think is a fair point, right.
I mean, even if you think that he's awesome, it's okay,
you do you whatever. There's clearly a lot of people

(16:54):
who think is awesome, probably enough actually to tip him
over the line. How weird is that is probably gonna
win in a week's time right now, twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
The Israeli Parliament has voted to ban the United States
Agency for Palestinian Refugees or UNRA, from operating in Israel
and East Jerusalem. Now, the Israeli lawmakers say that HONRA
has ties to Humas and its activities should not be tolerated.
The US State Department has criticized the law, saying HONRA
is the primary humanitarian group operating in the Gaza strip.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
They really play an irreplaceable role right now in Gaza.
We're there on the front lines getting humanitarian assistants to
the people they needed. So we continue to urge the
government of Israel to pause the implementation of this legislation.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
We urged him not to pass it at all.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now, there's been some criticism of a joke told ed
of Donald Trump rally by the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe over
the weekend. He compared the US territory Puerto Rico to
an island of garbage. Is what Trump's running mate j D.
Varnes had to say about the controversy.

Speaker 10 (17:59):
Maybe maybe it's a stupid racist show, because you said
maybe it's not.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 10 (18:04):
I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke,
but I think that we have to stop getting so
offended at every little thing in the United States in America.
I'm just I'm so over it.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, Trump does by the way, enjoy a lot of
support from Latino's. Puerto Ricans can't actually vote in the election,
so it's not clear if this issue will actually affect
polling numbers. And finally, I am Trade's over rights. Contestants
in a Timothy shallow May look alike contest in New
York got a bit of a surprise when Timothy Challo
May himself turned up to say hi the June and

(18:37):
the Wonkasta initially showed up to the event in a mask,
and then he revealed himself and he crashed one of
the lookalike's photos. Now, being a good sport, Timothy didn't
actually enter the lookalike contest himself, which you would have won.
So twenty one year old Miles Mitchell was crowned the best.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Tim International correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Murray Old Jozsie correspondents with I say, muz.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Hello here, they're gonna haveternoon on.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Then what do you make of Elbow getting the upgrades?

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, well he's not the only one.

Speaker 11 (19:05):
He apparently may have breached ministerial responsibilities.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
He was he was the Transport Minister under Kevin Rudd
and then under then under Julia Gillard and.

Speaker 11 (19:18):
Under Run again, and then he became the shadow Minister
up until twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
So he was right in that transport space.

Speaker 11 (19:25):
And so yeah, look he did put the squeeze on
Allan Joyce apparently, which would be a breach of ministerial
guidelines and operation at the time.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
The oppositions feasting on this, as you might expect.

Speaker 11 (19:36):
So to the Murdoch mob over here, they're saying, oh, Albow,
fess up, fess up.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
But you know, I mean they all do it. That's
the thing.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
Perhaps they don't pick up the phone and dial Ala
Joyce directly, but you know, Peter Dutton takes flights on
Gina Reinhardt's plane.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean, is it a big deal?

Speaker 11 (19:54):
Well, the opposition's desperately trying to make it a big deal,
and Labor, of course, as you might expect, trying desperately
to play it down.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Is the problem for Elbow that he's supposed to be.
It's a branding problem, isn't it. I mean, we expect
these guys to fly fancy class, don't we. But he's
supposed to be the man of the people. He's the
labor guy. And yet he's got himself a very fancy
house and he's getting himself all the upgrades. Is that
the problem here?

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Look part of it? I think yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 11 (20:20):
I mean he's made his entire political life the whole
narrative has been about his single mum raising him in
a government in government housing. And she did it tough
all her live as she did. And that's been the
alb and easy narrative. But you know when he goes
and buys a four and a half billion dollar house
and gets up the point the end of the plane,

(20:42):
it just doesn't look right. Now, yes, they all do it,
but for Elbow, the good point you make is that
it just doesn't look right.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Does it past the pub test? We ask over here,
Well maybe it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, maybe it doesn't. Speaking of which, this government has
said no more election bribes. Don't expect them.

Speaker 11 (20:59):
Yeah, that's right. There's going to be two budgets, a
couple of mini ones. I suppose it's well, perhaps not
next marks. That may be a biggie because we're going
to go to the polls and may it looks like
and Jim Charmers, the Treasurer saying to people, do not
expect handouts because big hand I mean, all the economists
talk over here now is that inflation is really dropping
through the floor.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
They've had the.

Speaker 11 (21:20):
Brakes on so long, waiting, waiting, waiting, and maybe maybe
the Reserve Bank has held on too long.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
We'll know, I suppose in a month or two. We've
got inflation data out this week, and.

Speaker 11 (21:30):
All the talk is that it's going to be a
very good number, which would lead possibly to an interest
rate cut early in the new year, which would feed
into Labour's narrative.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Who you know who loves your baby as we head
into an election?

Speaker 11 (21:45):
Is it Old Southpus Peter Dutton or is it you know,
the beaming elbow?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
So look who knows?

Speaker 11 (21:49):
But there's no doubt in the past that Labor has
given handouts with energy help, with rental assistance and the like.
But what charmers the Jim charmers the treasure was saying,
do not expect it in the run up to the election.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Must tell me about this woman who faked her own
death to get the insurance money.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
Very strange. We don't know a whole lot that this
happened in PERV. There's a woman.

Speaker 11 (22:13):
She's forty three years old, and she had a gambling
problem apparently, and as such was the extent of the
problem that she's bizarrely has faked her own death and
then gone through all this elaborate paperwork to actually received
to claim and then receive seven hundred and eighteen thousand
dollars Australian more than a million dollars in New Zealand.

(22:34):
Now this happened in February. She claimed that she had
died in a car accident and broom in the Christmas
month of the preceding year. So she said she had died,
puts in the claim. The money's paid out very very quickly,
and she gets the Gregory peck in February. Well, it
didn't take long for them to put two and it

(22:55):
together and come up with five and this, you know,
as she was charged with them money by deception, plead
it guilty. She'd been sentenced today to more than three
years in prison. So she has a bit of time
to reflect and what she's done. You know, she looks
she faked her death curnificance, she faked funeral documents, She
even faked a letter from the coroner's caught to the

(23:16):
insurance company.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
So I mean, she can't be filing a thing to
saying I'm dead, So who did it?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
She might have been saying, you know, not Karen, but
maybe Kevin.

Speaker 11 (23:27):
I just don't know the Maybe they're deliberately not telling
us here because everybody's going to be into it.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Oh jeez, I love how the lengths she went to Murray,
Thank you appreciates Murray Old Australian correspondent here. That cut
the mail delivery altogether. I've had one letter all year
and that was a rate spill, Ben, And why are
you getting your rate spill in the mail. Anyway, you
can opt to get your rate spill on the email,
so you don't even have to get an email. Honestly,
I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't want any

(23:55):
more mail. I don't need mail. I don't need mail.
What mail am I getting? The only mail I'm getting
a like these tickets when I get a ticket, or
like ugh, you know those dickheads who run you know,
Wilson Carr Park and those people who I hate, they
are the only people who write letters to me. I
would love it. Yeah, yeah, me sixty five dollars just
cut the mail. It would solve a whole bunch of

(24:16):
problems for us. And if you absolutely had to get mail,
like if you really really had to get mail, go
down to your postbox and pull it out of the
postbox at the central station or wherever. Do you know
what I mean? Like it should be an opt in,
not be a not not like it is like universal
at the moment. Anyway, we'll talk to the huddle about
it later on. I just can't see why I was
still doing the mail. Got to talk to you about

(24:37):
what's going on with Arthur Easton. Now, you remember the
story of Alan Hall who was jailed for like almost
twenty years and has now he was not the guy,
and it was clear he was not the guy who
killed Arthur Easton. The cops of now are now asking
for information on the murder of Arthur Easton, and they
are offering a one hundred thousand dollars award now that
Allan Hall has been found to not be the guy
who killed Arthur Easton. Arthur Easton was murdered in nineteen

(24:59):
eighty five, so that's forty years ago. So this feels
like a long shot to me, doesn't it to you?
We're gonna have a chat to the cop about it.
It'll be with us ten past five, Barri Sopers next quarter too.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
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Speaker 2 (25:13):
Your political correspondent is with us.

Speaker 8 (25:15):
Hey, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
What do you make of the building of these trusted
builders being able to certify themselves? Why are you laughing?

Speaker 8 (25:22):
Well, because I knew you'd love the topic being a
builder yourself.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Having waited for building and SPI they kill.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
You A yes, exactly, and I mean a lot of
people probably don't know. On average it takes almost five
hundred and seventy days to build a house in this country.
Ridiculous and that's basically waiting for consent. And the point
that Chris Pink, the Building Minister, makes is that, look,

(25:52):
there's a housing shortage at the moment. We've got to
get houses built. And you remember Labor went there with
its key we Built program and of course with these
consents being in place, it would have taken multiple years
to achieve the one hundred thousand houses. But so on
the face of it, it looks really good. You're going

(26:12):
to get houses built more quickly. Businesses with a proven
track record. According to Chris Pink, like those that build
hundreds of near identical homes each year, they'll be able
to go through a more streamline process, which is good.
And so builders and building professionals like plumbers, train layers,

(26:34):
they'll be able to certify their own work without the
need for an inspection. Now that got me thinking the
last time that we relax building standards in this country.
Clearly they have to be relaxed because you have to
wait far too long to get a consent. It's just
it's so cumbersome. But was back in nineteen ninety one
the Boulder government they brought in the Building Act and

(26:58):
that changed building control from a prescriptive system to a
more self regulated system. Now you know what happened there.
The builders went out modeled homes of Mediterranean style houses
in this climate that were totally unsuitable. And of course

(27:20):
we had so many homes that were built that were
leaky buildings, which was terrible and the cost has put
at twenty three billion dollars for eighty nine thousand buildings
during the period that these leaky homes were being able
to be built. Well, that was all changed by head
girl Helen Clark when she became the Prime minister. I

(27:41):
mean she wanted our showers to be regulated, but she
changed all that and it's moved back since then to
a much more prescriptive system that takes so long. So
I think any relaxation is a good thing. But the
devil is in the detail, I guess, and we'll have
to wait to see exactly how they're going to qualify

(28:02):
to build.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
But what is good about this system is that instead
of when things go wrong, the council having to bear
the cost of that defective work because they were the
ones who inspected and certified and said it's okay, that
will now fall on these builders. Right, So if one
of them, one of these and they're big guys we're
talking about, it's not just like you know Barry Soaper's
construction company from down the road. It's like a god, yeah,

(28:27):
nobody will that have seen some of your handywork. But
I think you know it's these big, big guys. They
will have to pay up if they stuff up right, well,
insurance will pay it.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
It would seem that there is a system and going
to be paid. I like that where they will be
held much more accountable. And if they're going to take
on their self certification, then they're going to be very careful,
I would imagine, to ensure that the building is right
and not leaky, like just said in the past.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Does Labor need to take the socials off Ginny?

Speaker 8 (28:57):
Well, people that go on the Hosking show, the politicians
that they jinxed in some way because we had student
ash and you know look where he ended up. And
now we've got Ginny Anderson on the Wednesdays slot, and.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
You would be upset about that.

Speaker 8 (29:14):
Well, and I wouldn't compare a stude to Ginny Anderson,
but you know, you you remember in February this year
that she claimed that Mark Mitchell, the police minister and
she was the former former police minister, he was paid
to kill people and she asked him whether he kept
telling of how many people he had shot while it

(29:35):
was just it was so offensive, it was unbelievable. Somebody
would say that in public, Well she had to. Well,
she didn't really apologize. She said that she went too far,
and it would seem this is the same sort of thing.
I mean, you know you've got Andrew Bailey for the
National Party. Well, I think she's much worse than some
of the stuff that she's been doing. And we see

(29:56):
now she posted her reposted a meme on her Instagram account. Now,
I remember last week seeing this photo of Chris Luxon
standing alongside King Charles, and the only thing that I
thought was what a shabby suit the Kings turned out?
And then I sort of forgave him to some extent.

(30:17):
It was shabby, It was awful, It was badly fitted,
and I think I think maybe the poor man, because
he has been a terrible maybe, well you think the
tailors would come in and make him look a bit
smarter than what he did. Point that was, that was
the only point that I looked at the photo.

Speaker 12 (30:37):
It's all.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
But others saw it his crutch area looking like female genitalia,
and they put out a meme to that extent, which
I thought was patently absurd.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Did she do?

Speaker 8 (30:49):
She went and reposted the meme, then went, I'm sorry,
I've got to take it down. It's causing people offense.
I mean, please, Jinny, get your act together.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Perry, thank you, Perris. Strong opinions strong opinions about this
khaki colored suit is a khaki safari colored suit. Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent seven away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 13 (31:13):
The time Minister is well to say, if Kiwibank was
floated tomorrow, it would become a bigger bank. There'd be
five big banks. How does that fix anything?

Speaker 12 (31:20):
No?

Speaker 14 (31:20):
I just I think you know the reality is we've
got four cozy banks and a very cozy relationship and.

Speaker 13 (31:24):
Stop and quean. But here's an example, an open banking,
for example, as something that you have. You read the
documentation in Australia on open yeah, yeah, but it looks
no different. But the point is that's been left with
the banks to manage amongst themselves, that open banking piece.
You've not convinced me that we've got some sort of
robber Baron scenario in this country where everyone's getting ripped off.
I just don't see what floating selling doing anything to

(31:46):
Kiwi Bank profoundly changes the marketplace. Back tomorrow at six am,
the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Rain driver of the
Lahn News Talk z.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
B Hither I need my daily Tory fix. Well here
it is. I've got a daily Tory fix for you.
But I've got daily Wellington City Council fixed for you.
So big old day there because it was the first
day that they were meeting after you know that we
had the grown ups called in on them. So they
got together and the meeting started at nine point thirty
and it lasted for twenty three minutes before they called

(32:16):
morning tea.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
Right, so we.

Speaker 15 (32:19):
Will now actually what we're going to do now, and
I just want to sort of seek your forbearans having
a meeting on a Tuesday after a long weekend that
for the next item. I understand that some an amendate
subsent of is being finalized now, so we will go
to morning tea now, so we will aim to be
back at ten o'clock.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Rebecca Matthews and I know you're wondering both bakes like that.
I can't even get Rebecca Matthews.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
She is.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
She very tight with Tory, very tight with toy. If
you remember Tory's press conference, she had a dude and
a lady standing to a dude on one side and
a lady on one side. On one side was John Penowitz,
who actually interesting never mind, but on the other side
was one and the same Rebecca, I need my morning
t Matthews anyway, straight after the news Chris Pink on

(33:11):
the building rules, the new ones coming at us, and
then we're going to talk to the cops about whether
they're actually going to get any new information. Thirty nine
years after a murder, News talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
News talks B.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Afternoon. The government is continuing it's crusade to speed up
building in this country, now announcing that it plans to
let some builders only trusted builders sign off on their
own building work, rather than forcing them to wait for
a council inspection. Chris Pink is the Minister for Building
and Construction at Chris how do builders become trusted?

Speaker 16 (33:56):
Well, there's a number of different criteria you can use,
and we're interested in scale. We're interested in reputational skin
in the game, and we're so interested in being able
to do that in a way that represents skills in
frankly attract record.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So how many do you imagine would be trusted, would
be big enough to be trusted.

Speaker 16 (34:13):
Well, we haven't put a list together because we're interested
in the criteria that people will feel comfortable with. But
you can imagine sort of ten to fifteen maybe the
really big players as a starting position. You know, these
are ones that have got enough financial strength that if
something were to go wrong, they can be responsible for
the outcome on that. We're not talking about your one
man band, your one person band, excuse me, and aute

(34:35):
to you. You're not going to see again when they
change the sign writing or the name of their company.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I love it. So basically, this is the good
thing about it is it takes the carrying the weight
of the risk if something goes wrong at the moment,
the council pays. But we're taking that away from the
council with these guys, and we're making the builders themselves
carry the risk, right.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 16 (34:53):
We think it's an exercise and risk based consenting effectively
where the people doing the worker are the ones who
should be accountable. And actually, and if you think about
the poral ratepayer at the end of the chain at
the moment when things go wrong, we think, actually it
makes more sense to put the incentive with the building
professional or the whole company to do the work and

(35:13):
to be responsible for it and their destinies in their
own hands, and ultimately that'll be better for the consumer.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Of course, who's going to.

Speaker 16 (35:18):
Pay for a product that doesn't have all the inefficiencies
associated with that risk averse system we've got out.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So obviously the problem will be paid for by the
insurance company. But what happens if the building company, the
trusted building company, is under such a massive weight of
complaints it folds. Does insurance still pay?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (35:37):
Well, I mean that would be a matter for between
the insurance company and the builder.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
But having said that, we'll be.

Speaker 16 (35:43):
Really interested to see that there's something robust in that way,
and also that there's financial strength associated with the building company.
And look, the other way you can do this other
than insurance is some sort of assurance more generally, and
so guarantees and bonds already exist in the market if
you think about registered master builders and certified builders. So
some of those market based solutions are actually going to

(36:04):
get the incentives right in a way that we don't currently.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
All Right, you're confident we're not going to have a
repeat of the old leaky buildings scandal.

Speaker 16 (36:12):
Yeah, a lot, really confident, because the point is that
you actually avoid that whole false sense of security we've
got at the moment where she'll be right because council
will sign it off and it dootally at least it's
the case. Sometimes people do some pretty poor work get
away with it and we don't crack down on those
cowboys at the moment, by the way, because I think, well,
the council will sign off if it's all good, and
if not then they'll just you know, we'll book another

(36:32):
inspection and do it again later. So actually we're going
to make people responsible, which is what they want to do,
because the good ones will survive and the bad ones
will be you know, hounded out of the world where
they currently inhabit.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Chris, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Chris Pink, Minister
for Building and Construction heller Do for Cee. Allen Police
are offering one hundred thousand dollars award to anyone with
information that can help solve the nineteen eighty five murder
of Arthur Eastern and Papacutta and Auckland. The Eastern murder
investigation is open again because the man who was jailed
for nineteen years for his murder, Alan Hall, has proven

(37:03):
that he was actually wrongfully convicted. Police Detective Inspector Warwick
Atkin is in charge. A Warwick Heather Worick. This was
forty years ago. I mean this is a long shot,
isn't it.

Speaker 14 (37:13):
Yeah, Look, we're hoping that the reward announcement today is
a significant amount of money and we hope that that
will be the incentive for people who do have information
in the community to come forward and help us solve
this matter so we can provide the Eastern family some answers.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
So, are you basically looking for an arc? Is that
what it is?

Speaker 14 (37:33):
We're looking for anyone with credible information to come forward
and if that information leads to the arrest and successful
conviction of the person responsible for Arthur, then they may
be eligible for the reward.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Is this I mean, are you doing this because you
seriously think that this actually can result in a prosecution
in somebody coming forward or is it more likely just
something you've got to do. Now you've accepted that the
wrong guy went behind bars, got to try and the
right guy. So you do this, go through the motion,
nothing happens, close the case.

Speaker 14 (38:04):
Yeah, Look, a reward announcement can happen at any stage
during an investigation. As investigators, we have a responsibility to
look at all options we're solving crime. And today's announcement,
I hope we'll provide the financial incentive to those people
who have not shared any information to date to come

(38:24):
forward and inspect us.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Do you have I mean you say that you're speaking
to people who you spoke to back in the eighties.
Have you got a long list of people who you
had on the suspect list or their associates list or
you know, is it a big group of people you're
going back to.

Speaker 14 (38:39):
Yeah, Look, we're doing a full review of the file
and we're speaking to a number of people, not only
persons of interest, but also witnesses.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
And how many bayonets? By the way, the interesting thing
about it is that whoever went in went in with
a bayonet. How many bayonets you reckon? They were in
the country in the eighties.

Speaker 14 (39:00):
The bay and eddin question here we still have in
our position, and that is a Swedish ninety six bany
which was used by the Swedish Army. It's an eighteen
ninety six model. Several hundred of those were imported into
New Zealand. Is superlus stock and generally sold in hunting

(39:20):
and outdoor stores. And I'm hoping with the images that
we've provided to the media today of the woolen hat
and the bayonet will prompt people's memory and they can
come forward and tell us what they know.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Wawick, thanks very much, Warwick Adkin. New Zealand Police Detective
Inspector Heather do for see Ellen here that the problem
with the King's suit is it's probably Lynnen Hither the
King's suit was affected by the wind. Am I the
only one who thinks this up? No, No, you're not.
There's nothing wrong. By the way, there is nothing wrong.
Barry Soaper is nuts. Nothing wrong with the cut of
that suit. It's a stock standard nineteen thirty suit. It's

(39:54):
the cut. Has you know what King wats's face? Who
decided to abdicate because he wanted to run off with
the American Wallace? What's his name, Edward David? I don't
know anyway, that one. It's basically the same. Probably he's
probably just whipped it out. Probably my great uncle suit.
It's probably the same suit. It basically looks like stock
standard Kingley, Where do you know what I mean? Anyway,
we'll talk to the huddle about Ginny and that little

(40:16):
whips when they're with us shortly, Jeff Bezos, we need
to talk about him quickly. You will have seen that
there's a big brew haha about the Washington Post right
because they pend to column endorsing Karmala Harris and Jeff
Bezos got involved and basically killed the thing. Now he
has written his own column explaining it's been a huge
kerfuffle for the paper. They've lost apparently two hundred thousand
subscribers who have now canceled their accounts, and basically in protest.

(40:39):
Jeff Bezos, who owns it, has now written his own
column explaining why he did it. He says, basically because
trust of the media is falling. He says, presidential endorsements
do nothing to tip the scales of an election. No,
undecided voters in Pennsylvania are going to say, I'm going
with newspaper a's endorsement. None. What presidential endorsements actually do
is create a perception of bias, a perception of non independence.

(41:02):
Ending them is a principal decision, and it's the right one. Now,
I mean, he makes a fair point, but do you
think that it take away the endorsement. Is the Washington
Post gonna look any less like it loves Carmela and
hates Trump? Probably not. The bias perception stays, doesn't it?
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Speaker 3 (42:14):
Heather dup c Allen.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Whether I work in commercial insurance, building defects are a
general exclusion. Insurance is not a warranty or a guarantee
of work. I'm getting quite a few texts poking holes
in this idea. We're going to get to it. Nineteen
past five. Now it is a week, as I said
at the start of the show to the US election,
and it is ramping up over there. Trump's just spoken
at a rally in Georgia.

Speaker 17 (42:36):
Between we will have four more years of ins then,
or whether or not we will begin with the greatest years.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
The history of prick, you know, is nasty to me.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Michelle Obama, Jack's aim, host of Q and a host
of a newstalk z'd be Saturday Mornings is over in
the States. Was actually at the rally, Hey, Jack, Hey?
On a scale of one to ten, how much did
you love being there?

Speaker 4 (43:04):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (43:05):
I'm fifteen?

Speaker 18 (43:06):
Like, I just absolutely froth on US politics, always have.
This is my fourth US election that I covered.

Speaker 12 (43:12):
So yeah, real joy to be there. I mean it's funny.

Speaker 18 (43:16):
I was interested today to compare Trump's rally today in Atlanta,
where sitting in the bleachers there with the first Trump
rallies that I went to in Texas like nine years ago,
and honestly, not a whole lot has changed.

Speaker 19 (43:30):
It's quite funny.

Speaker 18 (43:31):
Like the crowd who turns up, a lot of them
have been to heaps of Trump rallies before. I saw
one guy who said to me was his ninth Trump rally,
And a lot of the like scripting points get repeated
day after day after day, and the crowd's actually hanging
out to hear them. So, for example, when Trump's his Kamela,
the whole audience yells You're fired. The whole thing follows
a pretty neat script, even when even when you know

(43:54):
Trump goes off on his little you know, on his
little off pieced from time to time. But yeah, you know,
I think my sense is that he is that he
has a little bit of momentum coming off the Medicine
Square gardens rarely yesterday, and yeah, is obviously going to
look to continue that over the next week.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I remember being over there in twenty sixteen and it
was like a few it was quite a few months
before the election campaign, and I came back and I said,
to the guy's back here, Trump's going to win and
nobody would believe it. But on the ground, it's a
different feeling to what people can see. You know, if
you're sitting in a foreign land, So what's your feeling
on the ground. Is he going to win it?

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Well?

Speaker 18 (44:32):
Okay, My thing is that it's always very hard to
get it a nationwide perspective in the US. So I
was in Arizona yesterday and the vibe in Arizona is
very different to where I am in Atlanta today, and
I would suggest it's going to be very different to
where I am in Pennsylvania in two days time. That
being said, I reckon, over the last couple of weeks
there has been a subtle momentum shift, nothing like the

(44:54):
momentum shift we saw earlier on when Trump had survived
that attemtive assassination and then when Joe Biden pulled out Carmala,
Harris Scott dropped into the candidate spot and had that
massive surge. Nothing like that, But I reckon, there has
been a noticeable little shift in momentum. And you know,
obviously Harris is going to try and turn that around
in the next couple of days. But if momentum tells

(45:17):
us anything about turnout at the polls, it would suggest
I think that at the very least, the Trump campaign
are feeling quite pleased with where they're at.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Okay, Jack, thanks very much, Jack, tayme Q and a
host host of newstalgsz'd b Saturday Mornings. Heather, I'm all
for speeding up the process with the building consens et cetera.
Where I was. However, when was the last time you
heard about a builder in a van going bankrupt? The
companies who built subdivisions closed the company down once they've
built the last house. The only way to hold people
accountable is by holding the directors accountable for all of
the rework. Very good point, Darren, five point twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand Let's.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Get connected and Newstalg z'b oh.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
There's quite the fight going on about the motor camp
vans and all the like the holiday people in Rotrue,
we'll talk about that very shortly. Nikola Willis is with
us after six By the way, because remember I was
telling y'all loved her speech about the public servants. We
have chat to her about that when she's with us
now five point twenty five. I think we got a
question answered last week that many of us have been
asking for a while, and I think it's worth us
talking about this really quickly. The question is why is

(46:19):
it that so many babies are still being killed in
this country by the very people who are supposed to
help them. Why is this still happening. The answer came
from the ombudsman, Peter Bosher, and although we did talk
about it last week, I do think it is worth
just laying this out really simply so we understand this right.
The reason that the babies are still being killed in
this country at the numbers in the numbers that they
are by the people who are supposed to love them

(46:41):
is in part because ordering it. Timriiki, formerly known as siffs,
is crap at its job, and OT is crap at
its job simply because it is not doing its job.
It is getting warnings, it's just not doing it. So
Peter Bosher warned us about one case that caught his
attention last week. It's the case of four kids who
being abused by the mum's partner. Seven different groups of

(47:03):
people warned O T that there was abuse going on,
including sending in photographic evidence. OT did not keep those
kids safe. Despite all of those warnings. They put some
sort of like a safety plan in place or something
like that. It was breached twice while the ombudsman was
still looking at the case and asking questions. They are
now living with their father. Seven different people warned O

(47:24):
T nine different times, and in the end, OT basically
stood by while a kidnapping occurred. Now, how many times
lately have we heard about babies or kids being killed?
And then we find out, oh, O T already knew
that family the boy an Tikuwiti, remember that boy where
the dad has been charged. O T had already been
involved with that family once before, because the baby had

(47:45):
already been badly hurt once before. The two kids in
Stokes Valley and Wellington who were taken to hospital with
severe injuries, like really awful injuries in March, OT were
already aware of that family. They won't tell us for
how long, of course, they weren't. Malachi Shubash, which is
a case that has shocked this country. The family warned Ot.
They even sent photographs to Ot. The caregiver killed him. Anyway,

(48:08):
The thing is, there seemed to be no consequences for
Ot in this They stuff up time and time and
time again. Nothing is done because I don't know what
can be done. What can be done, I don't know,
But at least I suppose if we've got something out
of this, we've got an answer to the question why
are kids still being killed in this country by people
who are supposed to look after them? And the answer
is because some of the people paid to look after
the people who are paid to look at who are
looking after the kids OT are just not doing their jobs,

(48:32):
are they?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I'd ever do? For see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I don't want to be mean to met service, but
what was up with that weather forecast last week? I mean,
because remember they told us they were like m long weekend,
wet and windy, cold, freezing.

Speaker 20 (48:46):
Was it that bad?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I don't know. Maybe it was bad in other parts
of the country, but I went away. I was like, Oh,
shall we go to the beach. Let's do it. We
did it anyway, Sunday Stunner. It was like the start
of summer. I actually forgot I had to go back
to work. It's been a shock to me physically to
come back anyway better on the forecasts, Please yay for summer.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy, Alan
drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected and news
talk z B.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Heather disband ot. You can't dispand ot because if you
dispand ot, who's going to look after the kids? That's
the job of OTC. You still needs somebody to be
looking after the delinquent parents who bash their children to death?
Do you know what I mean? So you got OT,
But if you dispand OT, you're just gonna have to
set up something else. And is there something else going
to be as craps ot? Probably? I don't know what
you I don't know what you do. I don't know

(49:47):
what you do. Listen, Nichola Willis is gonna be us
after six o'clock, Finance Minister obviously right now, twenty four
away from six now. There is a debate about freedom
camp camping and the manager of a holiday park has
asked the councilor they're to crack down on freedom camping
because apparently the campers are breaking the rules and how
long they can stay in one spot. And they also
don't support the support the local economy much. Bruce la

(50:09):
who is the CEO of the Motor Caravan Association and
with us.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Hey, Bruce, Hi, is that true?

Speaker 7 (50:14):
Well?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Is it true that they're breaking the no more than
two nights rule and they're not really spending that much
money in town?

Speaker 19 (50:21):
Well two parts of that. I don't know how long
they're staying, whether they're breaking the two night rule at all,
but they will be spending money in town. So there's
no question there's two different things going on there.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
How do you know they're spending money in town, because
if they rock up with all the stuff that they need,
maybe they're not.

Speaker 19 (50:39):
Well. Indy did the research themselves on us back in
two twenty. So we've always known because we've always researched
our own members about what they spend per night while
they're away, and it's normally around about ninety dollars for
our members for two in event per night if they're
freedom camping, if they're out and about. So Indy did

(51:00):
their own research on this back in two twenty. They
used Fresh Info, a research company, and they came up
with a whole list of spending across four different categories,
domestic that's US and then international, those who purchased a vehicle,
those who hired a budget vehicle, and those that hired

(51:22):
an expensive vehicle, And they came up with daily figures
for that, which indicates that they do spend and also
goes alongside that how long they spend in the country,
which are along with those different categories, so they show
substantially that they do contribute to that local economy when

(51:42):
they come up.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Do you think this is just a case of a
holiday park trying to protect its patch and look after
its own business.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 19 (51:50):
I mean we come across this time after time, and
that's all it is. But you know, she shouldn't be
too upset about it, because with the figures that came
out of NB even if they say someone's purchase one
of those little vehicles that we're talking about, which of
course are going to be out under the new legislation anyway.

(52:11):
But they stayed in the average at two hundred and
eleven nights in the country, and half of that was
freedom camping and half of that was stayed and paid accommodation.
So in the campground because they'll go with the do
their washing and have a shower and all of that
sort of stuff. So they get half of that market anyway,
and that's not too dissimilar for the budget and the

(52:33):
premium hires short shortest days forty eight days and thirty
two nights, but split between commercial campgrounds and freedom camping,
so they get a crack out of anyway.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Thank you for running as through. Really appreciated. Bruce la
Haill Mote Caravan Association CEO.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty, local and
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Speaker 3 (52:54):
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Speaker 2 (52:54):
Whether have you got an update on the gang funeral?
Actually got an interesting thing to tell you about the
gang funeral. It didn't realize, but my mate, here's this
guy who my mate Fats has died, and I'll tell
you about that. He's the guy the tongue he is
for with us. Right now on the Huddle, we've got
Tris Shurson Shirson Willis pr and Joe Spagani Child fun CEO.
Hello you two. Hello, Hello Josie. What's your vibe on
the US election? We had Jack on before this is Jack? Tame?

(53:16):
I asked him, Who's going to win?

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Jess.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It was like pulling teeth. He didn't want to say
Trump's going to win, but he kind of got there
in the end.

Speaker 21 (53:21):
What do you think, Well, if you listen to someone
like Nate Silver, who's one of the most famous, well known,
respected polsters in America, he was asked exactly that question.
He gets asked all the time.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
He said, it's fifty to fifty.

Speaker 21 (53:35):
Anyone who says they know anything more than that is
probably lying or making it up. But if you're asking
me what my what my gut instinct is, what the
vibe is, I'd say Trump's going to win, so you know,
I I But the big thing about that, I do
think that Trump's got got an uptick in the in

(53:56):
the last week or so. But the thing I would
say against that is that whoever gets the turnout, whoever
turns out their vote, will win. It's so so close,
And you know, Elon Musk can offer people a million
dollars every day and so on, but he's got absolutely
no experience of the boring, hard work of building a
campaign where literally I can tell you either I've done

(54:18):
it many times. On election day, you do about three
sweeps of a street. You get a few streets. Your
job is to get Missus Jones from number fifty six
on Main Street to the polling booth. You know exactly
who your voters are in that street.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
You don't bother with the one so foreign interference there
were you oh the.

Speaker 21 (54:36):
Very foreign Yeah, Ekeitahuna and tay Happy. No, not that far.

Speaker 12 (54:40):
But this is Fourer elections.

Speaker 21 (54:42):
I've worked on it, but you know that takes a lot.
You don't just build that in the last few weeks.
You build it over months and months and months with
volunteers who will do that work and whoever has that
machine or when, and the dams have that to their advantage.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, okay, what do you think, Trisha?

Speaker 22 (54:59):
I think it is too close to call, and that's
why no one is willing to pick it. You know,
there's a lot of talk about whether and like last
time Trump won, whether the polls are in fact under
underpicking him because they're not getting out to the right
the right voters. In terms of Josie's point, you know,

(55:21):
Carmena hal Harris has got a huge on the ground team.
They have had an app for their their daughter door
canvases so they go into an area, they get off
a bus, They've got an app on their phones that
tells them exactly which door they need to knock on,
and they'll be going back on election day because they

(55:42):
are they are actually offering people rides to the polls.
What's been interesting in the past few days so is
to look at how the campaign has turned. So Trump
has been turning, as one commentator said, to vulgarity and
viral stunts. His languaging is getting more and more sort
of gross, and those on his on his team, and

(56:06):
on the other side, you have got Kamela Harris turning
out star power with the likes of Michelle Obama in
recent days, really going hard on women and reproductive rights.
And you've also had Republican Liz Cheney turning out for
Harris in the past week, which has been really interesting

(56:26):
because that message has been to Republicans who don't want
to they don't want to vote for Trump, but they
don't want to admit that they would vote for the Democrats.
So you know, there's just so much in play for
the election. It's fascinating.

Speaker 21 (56:41):
What's really interesting is that I saw some research that
the attack ads that have gone out against Trump. You know,
he's a fascist, he's this, he's that. They're really ineffective
because his supporters already know that he's despicable and he's
not a nice guy. So they're rationalizing it like like
John Key has he's gone, look, I know he's not
a nice guy, but I like the tax cuts. So

(57:02):
the attack ads don't work. What but but it's not
the same for Kumalas. So if Trump's campaign does an
attack ad on Kamala that works really well, and they
go out and say, oh, she's failed, she's weak, she's
dangerously liberal, that works quite well. The ads that work
the best for Kamala are Buddy the working class guy
who's shown listening to Trump, going, you guys are rich

(57:24):
as hell. These are to you know, billionaires, I'm going
to give you a tax cut, and Buddy says, well,
I'm not rich as hell and I need a tax cut.
So anything that's targeting the working class on economy and
costs of living it works for the Democrats. But not
attacking Trump.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, that is a very good point actually that you've made. Right,
They're right, we'll take a break come back sixteen away
from six.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of your home Right on the huddle with.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Us Tresious and Josephganny, Trisha, do we need to take
the socials off Ginny.

Speaker 22 (57:57):
Well as a starting point? I mean, anyone facing into
the wind for a photo is going to look like
a vacuum pact lamb chop, aren't they? I thought, I
thought that that was pretty pretty silly and unfair, And
in fact, when I saw it that there were two
things that stuck out to me. One is, I thought, gee,
poor old King Charles, he looks pretty old and thin

(58:20):
on it, and considering that he's been battling cancer this year,
that's no surprise. And Then the other thing that I
noticed in that photo lurking in the background of it, yep,
was a navel. Was a naval vessel. And I thought,
it's sort of a you know, it's sort of almost
you know, a ghostly image. Considering what happened to our

(58:40):
mana we nui over there.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
What you're trying to say, Trish is you didn't even
look at his crotch, did you?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I didn't No, I didn't think.

Speaker 22 (58:51):
I did think that about I truly thought that though
about the suit when you're facing into the wind and
any any you know, as a woman, you'd never do
that with your best frock.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
But also I do.

Speaker 22 (59:03):
Think, you know, one of the things that people get
caught out on so often was social not actually posting themselves,
but liking a dumb tweet or a dumb post or
re sharing.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
It without thinking. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
I sort of feel like Josie, there should be, you know,
like everybody's got some rules. Right the minute that I
start drinking, I do not drive. I don't have an
argument because it'll just go badly. You know, you've got
to have I don't send messages to people because it's
a bad idea. And I feel like politicians should have
a rule. You can use the social but don't like
other people's stuff, no matter how hilarious it is.

Speaker 21 (59:38):
Yeah, and nothing good happens after midnight. So if you're
on Twitter X whatever it's called now and doing tweeting
and retweeting and liking, you're being a bit daft. But
the interesting thing is Jinny Anderson's offense here is pretty
similar grade to that of Andrew Bailey.

Speaker 5 (59:54):
Isn't it.

Speaker 21 (59:55):
And yet you know, where are the calls for her resignation.

Speaker 20 (59:57):
There aren't there.

Speaker 21 (59:58):
I do think the the thing that gets me about
Jenny is no, well, I think it's the same level
of nothingness. Really, I mean I don't. I think she's
daft to have done that and she shouldn't have done it,
But I don't think it's you know, it's a big issue.
I think the bigger issue for me about Jenny is
when she was police Minister. And I think it's not
just the you know, ill advised comments on Mark Mitchell

(01:00:23):
as police minister that he'd killed people and so on.
It's not so much this and not even this silly tweet.
It's more do you remember back in the ram raids
last year? And I remember she was police Minister and
she came out and said no, no, actually the statistics
show that ramraids are continuing to trend downwards and we're
all feeling safer. And it was such a jarring note
from a police minister when everyone was going this is

(01:00:45):
awful and Darianors were having a problem. So I think
she's got bigger problems, and I think Labour has bigger
problems with her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Than simply her daft, you know, reach gre It's weird
that they haven't realized after about seven years of her
saying stupid stuff out loud, that she's a liable. But
maybe they'll get there in the end. Now, Trish, what
are we going to do about the mail situation? I'm
very happy for New Zealand Posts to literally never deliver
another piece of mail to my letter box and just
shut the thing down. What about you?

Speaker 20 (01:01:13):
I am absolutely with you.

Speaker 22 (01:01:15):
I mean, I can't think of the last time I
got anything in the mail that I actually wanted. Main
things around here is still are real estate flyers. You
still get the odds, you know, circular from chemists particularly,
you get a lot of those, and often it is
it's tickets or something that you really don't want. Everything

(01:01:37):
else is online, and I think for New Zealand Post
it's one of those things where they probably need to
make a pretty deep cut and get ahead of it
rather than you know, constantly what feels like cutting back
on on service. And these days, you know, I was thinking,
while in the back of the day you loved getting
a letter, but these days, even with your older friends

(01:01:58):
and relatives, you just jump on FaceTime with them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yea too.

Speaker 21 (01:02:01):
And every time I see the mailbox full of stuff,
my heart sinks because it's either a bill, a traffic fine,
a hospital test result, or direct marketing, none of which
are welcome. I don't want any of it. But for
some reason, banks still send bank statements, but I know
you can select not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I don't get that nut.

Speaker 21 (01:02:20):
Oh I'm still getting bank sex.

Speaker 12 (01:02:21):
But yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:02:22):
The point is that is it obviously is fading out
a bit like checks, right, But but you do have
to phase it out over time because you do have
people in sort of rural communities like I remember as
an aide charity, we had people sending donations with checks
when the checks were being phased out. So you've got
to kind of you've got to move slowly with this stuff,
I guess. But yeah, nothing good comes in the mailbox
here days.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Too, right, nothing good at all. Thanks guys, appreciate it.
Trisius and Hurson, Willis pianre Jo Spacani Child Fund CEO.
I got a letter today in the mail to a
vendor then deathless and daughter of a realistate agent, to
a previous owner of the house, multiple owners ago, and
somebody had written it handwritten, like they put whatever I'm

(01:03:04):
going to open it. I am going to open it
because I'm fascinated. They stuffed whatever it is in there,
and then they hand wrote Chris, Chris, Chris, come and
get it. You know, I know you listen, Chris ble
blah address. And then they then like having gone to
the effort of writing that, they just bloody will put
it in themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
They don't even have a stamp on it. Anyway. Up now,
whether I've said I've got it, I'm going to have
to give it to Chris before before again before I
open it. But anyway, the point is simply, even the
one piece of mail that looked vaguely interesting is for
Chris two owners ago. How much does that suck?

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
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iHeart app, and in your car on your drive home.
Heather duple c Allen drive with one New zealand one
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Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
It be hither, it's illegal to open someone else's mail
without consent. Okay, I said, I'm not going to open it.
I said to Chris. You heard me just say to Chris,
come get the mail. So now, Chris knows I'm not
going to open. I'm not gonna open, but I'm going
to demand that he opens it in front of me
so I can see what's in there. I'm fascinated here
the car regio's and rucks still come in the mail.
Just they can career it. They can simply chuck it
in a career bag. Hither the banks insist on sending

(01:04:11):
credit cards by snail mail, No they don't. I had
mine sent by courier. Hither everything else isn't online. Rural
dwellers need the letterbox? Do you not have the email?
If you live rurally? Somebody send me a text to
earl around like, we don't get any internet, mate, you
need to get Did you know there's a lot of
stuff going on the internet. If you're not getting the internet,
you probably need to get on the internet because this

(01:04:32):
pawn on there. You know, there's other stuff like music
and then there's pawn so that's probably good for you. Hither,
think about it. If they shut down New Zealand Post,
we're going to end up with an environmental disaster. Imagine
the amount of letterboxes that will end up in landfill.
Signed by Simon feels like a particularly Simon Wilson takes.
So I'm gonna imagine that that was Simon Wilson sending
us that text. Now that gang tonguey in Wellington, I

(01:04:54):
do not have an update for you on what's going
on there, but so imagine my surprise when I'm reading
the newspapers on another gang tongue el Paul Wellington. Oh
it's Fats. Fats Dog Notorious is dead. Fats Dog Notorious
had my phone number. I had Fats as phone number
well before he changed it. Most recently, Fats I feel
like he changed his phone number a lot because you know,

(01:05:16):
he was in the mungrel mob. So it's probably not
helpful to have the same phone number for a while,
if you get what I'm saying, because of the business
that you're in. I met Fats back in twenty ten
or thereabouts. Do you remember Farmer Crescent in Portmare. It
was the place where there were all these monkeys living
and a house. It was full of housing. It was
just so awful. It was just one of those streets
you just did not want to live on. Full of

(01:05:38):
house in New Zealand. Eventually the monkeys were causing all
this trouble, so hows in New Zealand was trying to
evict a bunch of women and it became a sob story. Anyway,
I was doing a bunch of those stories and I
went there to heaps of times. The women on that
street were awful, like they were just really they were
really aggressive and shouty, as often gang moles are. But
Fats came to my rescue and he was like, oh, Hastels,
come over here, and so he looked after me and

(01:05:59):
made sure that the girls didn't get me. It's weird,
I know, big fat guy, hence the name Fats drove
a red car. Obviously. Anyway, I went back to have
a look at the messages that he was sending me.
Love to end his message with a kiss, which also
is not not a gangy thing. Anyway. I'm not telling
you that Fats was a good guy. He obviously wasn't.
It was in the mungrel mob. But he could have

(01:06:20):
a conversation outside of a gang, which says something. News
talks edb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
What's what's down? What were the major calls? And how
will it affect the economy of the big business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Question is on The Business Hour with Heather the Duplicy
Allen and my Hr on Newstalk's edb.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Even been coming up in the next hour. Brad Olsen
on the latest job Numbers. Jamie Mackay, fresh from a
trip to the US, will give his take of what's
happening on the ground. He's come back with a trump
pat as well, don't hate him for it and ender
Brady out of the UK seven Parsex and with us
right now, as Nicola Willius the Finance Minister, Nicola Aloe,
Hello here. You know much about this andnouncement on the
building from Chris Pink today.

Speaker 20 (01:07:03):
He is your expert on that one. But look, this
is all part of our mission to make it simpler
and quicker to get a building consent and to build
a house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, because the reason I'm raising it with you is
because we spoke to him about an hour ago. But
since then I've been getting a lot of texts suggesting
that his plan's not going to work because basically it
puts the risk on the builders in their insurers. But
insurers don't ensure for defective work. Do you know if
that's the case.

Speaker 20 (01:07:27):
Well, I know that he will have taken a lot
of advice on this and he is intending to make
it simpler, but lock feedback from those in the building
industry is always relevant, and I'm sure that he'll keep
working with those at the cul face.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Yeah. Also, what happens if, for example, Duval is listed
as one of these trust and builders that can check
their own work right, but then they end up in
the situation that Duval has there is defective work. Who pays?

Speaker 12 (01:07:51):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Does it not just come back on you and I
the taxpayer?

Speaker 20 (01:07:56):
Well, how those liabilities for depends, of course, and in
terms of the whole receivership situation and where the funds
sit and who's responsible at the various But so I'd
hesitate to answer that example without having worked all of
that through.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, fair enough, Okay, listen, Kiwibank, do you like this
listing idea? Well?

Speaker 20 (01:08:14):
As you know, I like the idea of Kiwi Bank
getting bigger. To get bigger, it needs the capital for growth,
and my viewers, that capital can come from more places
than just the government. I've been seeking advice from Treasury
on what the best way is to raise that capital
and I'll be taking some recommendations up to Cabinet in
the next little while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Why do we need another bank. If we've got four,
I mean calls actually quite a lot right to be
competing against each other. If we've got four and we're
not happy with what they're doing, why do we think
of fifth one's going to change things?

Speaker 20 (01:08:45):
Well, what the Comments commission have said is that before
we have are a functional oligopoly. So rather than competing
for market share, which is when you get all of
the good things of competition like better prices, more innovation,
better services, they're feeling very cozy and relaxed about just
hanging on to their current market share and competing around
the edges on on making as much profit as they

(01:09:07):
can as individual banks. That's not a good situation for
New Zealand bank users. So what the Commerce Commissioner said is, look,
you need someone else in that market to be disrupting.
There's a couple of ways that can happen. One through
a big disruptor such as kiwibank. Another way is through
getting more other financial companies competing on different kinds of products.

(01:09:29):
So we want to achieve both of those things. And
if you look over to Australia, they had a similar
cozyologopoly situation happening Macquariebank played quite a disruptive role in
that market and the result better deal for everyday bank users.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
But how do we know that New Zealand Post wont
once it's kind of reached its maximum share market share
won't just settle into a nice little oligopoly situation as well.

Speaker 20 (01:09:56):
Well, what you ultimately want is each of those entities
to competing harder, and from my perspective, I don't just
want Kiwi Bank offering innovative products and services and good pricing.
I want it to be nipping so hard at the
heels of the big banks that they are forced to
do the same. And so I don't just see that
as sitting on the shoulders of Kiwi Bank. I also

(01:10:18):
want to see some of these new FinTechs coming through
offering more disruptive products. I think there can be a
bigger role in the future for non bank deposit takers
and non bank lenders, so the likes of the finance companies,
the building societies, that sort of thing. And what the
Comments Commission report helpfully said was, look, if you actually
got the regulation in this area a bit better, a

(01:10:40):
lot of which is done by the Reserve Bank. There's
every reason to believe those entities will compete more So,
this is a classic one either where that boring word
regulation actually really matters. If we get the ground rules right,
will get better competition.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Do you know yet who your Wellington Crown observer is
going to be?

Speaker 20 (01:10:58):
No, And that is a decision for Simmy and Brown
and it's one that I'm leaving him too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
And do you know how long he's going to take
making that decision.

Speaker 20 (01:11:06):
No, But I do know there's a ten day period
between him having informed Wellington City countsful of his decision
and leaving them to give feedback on that. So we
still haven't run out that too.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I don't know if they're going to be able to
meet the ten day thing, because I don't know. If
you saw they had a twenty three minute meeting and
then they broke for morning tea today.

Speaker 20 (01:11:27):
Well I can tell you that kit kevinet doesn't take
good approach.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Well, thank god, because otherwise would sack the lot of you.
And fortunately we get that opportunity with them soon. Hey,
have you been surprised by the reaction to the school lunches?

Speaker 20 (01:11:40):
I have been, because to me, this is just a
win win win. You get your school lunch program continuing
into the future. That by the way, Labor didn't put
money aside to fund, but we found the money to
fund it, and you get it done at a much
lower cost per pupil, so down from as much as
nine dollars ahead to more like three dollars ahead, and

(01:12:01):
it's nutritionally good food. So I think this is a
good solution and it's something that where the government should
be proud of totally.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
And people are weird about it. But here's the one
thing that I see as being a problem. Right, are
you absolutely absolutely sure that you have done all of
the things you need to do dotted the eyes and
cross the tea so that Compass group doesn't stuff you
guys in the end with crap food.

Speaker 20 (01:12:21):
Well, look, they're required to meet a series of guidelines,
and the nutritional guidelines are the same as they were
for the program previously, so there hasn't been a change here.
And realistically they'll need to use a range of local
suppliers right getting good nutritious products from the end. So
I think this is a situation where there's no guarantee
that a contract continues forever. They need to perform in

(01:12:43):
order to get that contract. But by being more efficient,
by getting a decent competition up, we're getting a better
price for everyone and that benefits the tax payer. And
actually David Semol has managed to get the program running
in a way that it can be more sustainable for
the future.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I loved your speech where you told the public servants
to give you some bold ideas. Do you reckon that
that is it going to happen? I mean, it's one
thing to say to them, I'm here to hear your crazy,
kooky ideas. It's quite another for them to have the
courage to come to you with them.

Speaker 20 (01:13:13):
Well, it needs two things. The first is it needs
ministers who are prepared to listen. And I can tell
you honestly, we are talking to all of the New
Zealanders who feel the same frustration that we do that
New Zealand hasn't been growing as fast, it hasn't been
delivering as good as services as they want to see.
And New Zealanders want bold ideas, so I think our

(01:13:33):
ministers are poised to listen. The second thing that it
requires is that public agencies themselves put forward the disruptive ideas,
and that often means putting in lights the ideas from
the people who are second or third tier in the organization,
who are looking at problems differently from the way leaders
in the past have done. And look between me and

(01:13:55):
the Prime Minister and other ministers, we've put a real
emphasis on this. Bring forward the fresh thinking, bring for bard,
the young, disruptive people, the new people who have different perspectives,
because if we do things the way we've always done them,
we will get the same result and that is not
good enough. We need to do much better too.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Right now. On the performance pay, which is also something
that you've spoken about in the past week, are you
going to this is the bosses. Are you going to
drop their base salary back in order to then add
performance pay on top or does the performance pay just
get added to what they're already earning.

Speaker 20 (01:14:28):
It has to be additional because there are existing employment
agreements that exist between the Public Service commission and chief executives.
So you can't after the fact renegotiate that and say
some of your pay is at risk. So the employment relationship,
as you'll appreciate, is not between ministers and chief executives.
It's between the Public Service Commissioner and chief executives. And

(01:14:51):
so what we've asked the Commissioner to do is to
design a performance pay scheme and so that will advised
to sit on top of their current payer arrangements. But
we want it to be very strict that they would
only get these bonuses if they deliver performance to New
Zealanders above and beyond the status quo. And I have
been working with the Public Service Commission to say, let's

(01:15:14):
make this as transparent and accountable as possible, so New
Zealanders can see for themselves what's required for a bonus
to be paid and whether or not it's been paid.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Nichola, listen to you. Guys at the ministerial level have
the ability to go to New Zealand posts and say,
all right enough with the sort of like death by
a thousand cuts nonsense. Just cut the mail back to
one delivery a week for everybody for the rest of
time the end.

Speaker 20 (01:15:37):
Well, I guess that would be just middling at a
degree of operational detail that we don't think is necessary,
because instead what we say to them is, look, we
want you performing well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
As a commissioner, tell you how many million.

Speaker 20 (01:15:51):
Yeah, so they haven't been performing well. So that's why
they've come to us and said, Okay, in order for
that to happen, we're going to need to make some
changes to business model, including reducing some of our delivery days,
and they've gone out for consultation on that. So they
go out for consultation on that with our blessing, because
we're realistic. You know, the male model has completely changed.

(01:16:12):
In order for that business to be viable, to be
sustainable into the future, they're going to have to change
the way they do some things.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Do you get any mail that you love?

Speaker 20 (01:16:22):
No, I do. In my beehive office, I occasionally get
a lovely little handwritten note and it tends to be
from someone either very young or quite elderly, and it
can be very sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I love it. Hey, Nichola, thanks very much appreciated. Nichola
Willa's Finance Minister. Seventeen past six crunching the numbers and
getting the results.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
It's Heather dup c Ellen with the business.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
There are eighteen banks in New Zealand. New Zealand banks
have the highest capital requirements in the world and that's
why we have higher interest rates, even though Adrian calls
black white on this issue. And do you know what
that strikes to the very heart, oh lord, that strikes
that the banking issue is so is made so much
worse by the Reserve Bank. Strikes at the very heart
of the debate between the Reserve Bank and the Commerce Commission.
The Reserve Bank is making them hold all of this money.

(01:17:12):
The Commers Commission's going, that's not really helping competition, guys,
and the Reserve Bank will not budge on it. And
we'll see who wins that thing in the end. By
the way, got to if you're planning on going to Metallica,
you're going to need to own a bank. By the
looks of things. We'll give you those numbers short least
coming up twenty one past six And with us now
is Brad Olson in the Metric's principal economist. Heye, Brad good, evening, Well,

(01:17:32):
so the job market's tough, isn't it it is?

Speaker 23 (01:17:35):
And we've continued to get further numbers that suggest how
tough it is, the latest figures for September showing there
are twenty nearly twenty one thousand fewer jobs in the
New Zealand economy in September twenty twenty four compared to
a year ago. You know, that's a pretty tough hit.
And also most about half of those job losses coming
through in Auckland, with around ten five hundred odd jobs

(01:17:58):
fewer in the larger city than a year before. Those
hits very much coming through. We've seen now no jobs
growth at all since about March this year, and in
fact we've either seen declines or things remaining flat, so
really continuing to add the pressure there when households are
of course trying to find jobs to pay for life

(01:18:19):
as it goes round, but fewer and fewer job opportunities
coming up. What sectors are being hit, Yeah, the biggest
hit so far in terms of sectors has been construction,
around about just over ten thousand fewer jobs in construction
than a year ago. But then after construction sort of
smattering across the board around seven thousand fewer jobs and

(01:18:41):
admin and support services and that includes labor, higher and
temporary roles. You've got six thousand odd fewer roles across
accommodation and food services. Again, we're not traveling as much
across the country and doing domestic travel, and so that's
taken a hit. Manufacturings down around five thousand, professional services
down nearly three thy eight hundred at you so, in

(01:19:02):
retail as well. So there's quite a lot of areas
that have very much been hit. Interestingly, and I think encouragingly,
the healthcare sector is the one area that has seen
some pre sustained jobs growth, over ten thousand more jobs
in healthcare than a year ago, so that area really
holding us up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
And so when do we expect to hit five percent unemployment?

Speaker 23 (01:19:22):
Well, we'll have the numbers out next Wednesday, which we
expect at the moment will show that five percent unemployment rate,
and we think it will then continue to increase just
a bit more over the next couple of quarters. We
think that the unemployment rate now is going to peak
at around five point four percent around mid next year.
And it's just in that awful period now heitherwhere between

(01:19:43):
now and sort of mid next year, as people are
slowly but surely moving off their higher fixed income mortgages
through to those lower rates, you'll start to get more
and more people that are still going to be losing
their jobs until there is more support. There's more stimulus
coming into the economy. So we're in a very tough,
very tricky period for the economy at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Good stuff, Brad, Thanks so much appreciated, Brad Olson, Infametrics
principal economists. Here the rubbish. If you're offering a bigger
salary which includes a performance bonus, then of course you
can ask for a base salary reduction. As long as
the target performance and pay has not changed. You can
ask for the sacrifice in the base with the biggest
salary for overall performance. Thank you for that, Dave six
twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Still like getting my car magazines through the mail. It's
not the same in digital form, mark you can still
get the career to deliver it. This is the thing.
The courier is making a mint off me a the
couriers at my house the whole time. Allo, there here's
another package. That kind of thing. Mailman. They don't even
know who I am and don't get any mail. Listen.
But speaking of which, something did okay? This arrived, So
this is the kind of thing that's arriving in the career.

(01:20:54):
So the husband said, what do you want for your birthday?
And I said, I wanted I want to watch that
you can put on you can go in the water with,
because there's a lot of like going in the water
with a can and then you lose you lose the
track of time and stuff like that. So he bought
me the latest Apple Watch, which I don't even want
to know how much a costs do not tell me. Anyway,
that was my birthday present. Took me forever together. That
was like mid September. That took me forever to get

(01:21:16):
the thing up and running, but I got it up
and running this weekend. For various reasons. Anyway, now I'm
interested in what smart watches can do. Right, really interesting
prediction that they are soon going to be able to
actually predict whether you've got Parkinson's or not. And it's
because these watches, apparently, and I don't know if it's
specifically the Apple necessarily, but the general concept of a
smart watch can detect subtle abnormalities that you're not even

(01:21:39):
aware of, like a changing your walking pattern, and that can,
according to at least one study that was published last
year that can predict Parkinson's just because you start walking
a little bit funny up to seven times earlier than
a doctor would be able to tell you that you
have it. Plus, obviously it combines with a whole bunch
of other data that would be collecting as well, like apparently,
if you're going to get Parkinson's, you'll sleep starts getting

(01:22:00):
a little bit funny, so it'll record your sleep data
as well, and it'll put the two things together and
go whoa watch out apparently for people with epilepsy might
be able to predict that a seizure is coming before
it arrives, so that because you can't stop the seizure,
but you don't want to have a bad accident or
fall or something like that. And they do that by
measuring these watches, the heart rate variability, the skin temperature,

(01:22:22):
you know, like the sweating that's going on and stuff
like that. And apparently now there's a hospital in Switzerland
that's going to start giving out watches, these smart watches
to patients like a few weeks before they have surgery,
so that it can predict and prevent any complications from
going under general anesthetic. It can see that something's a
bit funny there. This person's at risk of blah blah
with their lungs or whatever, and be able to kind

(01:22:44):
of get on top of it before before it happens.
How I'm gonna live forever. We've got a what a
smart watch. You're never gonna die. Headline's next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
The business with Heather duperic Alan and my HR the
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Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Andder Brady out of the UK with us in ten
minutes time. Heather, there have been no deaths on New
Zealand roads over the label weekend. Hopefully Golden Balls doesn't
stats Simian Brown doesn't stuff up the stuff up Labour's
speed settings by raising speed limits and thus killing people.
Labor has proved again that speed kills. Thank you, Wayne.
I thought about this today, thought why the speed I

(01:23:33):
wonder why the road toll was so low, and I
did wonder. I thought it could be speeding, and then
I was like, no, can't. It can't be the speed
limits because as we know, speeding is actually not one
of the biggest contributors. Despite what you think, Wayne, to
the road toll, it's actually drugs and alcohol. So what
was it just us using the roads? Obviously? What was it?
I wondered if the Clive, you know, you know Clive

(01:23:55):
with the sideburns from the Dog and Lemon Guide. Clive's
theory because he sent out an email us today. Clive's
theory is that it's the recession that and it makes
some I actually think he might be onto something here.
It makes some sense when you don't have a lot
of money, you can't go on holidays, so you stay home.
So just fewer of us on the roads. And if
you went out, if you did actually go away this weekend,
you will have noticed the roads. We're not that chockers,

(01:24:16):
So there's probably an element of truth to that. I
do also wonder if it's my old mates at the
Met Service as well, who were like, it's going to
be winter is coming. A whole bunch of people went Airbnb, cancel,
now just stay home. Then, so I wonder if it
was simply a case of, for various reasons, fewer of
us being on the road, therefore not killing ourselves. But Wayne,
you go with the speed limit thing, if that makes

(01:24:36):
you feel better twenty two away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
The Rural Report on Hither Dupe see Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Forget about Jack Tame, forget about Dan Mitchinson, forget about
all of those US correspondents who think they know what's
happening on the ground. Jamie McKay has just come back
from the States. He's got the good oil a Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Yeah, and you can forget about water cronkite while you're
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So who's going to win there?

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
Come and I spent We spent two weeks, and they're
all on the eastern seaboard, New York, Boston, Philadelphia. Not
much to do there apart from run up and down
the Rocky Steps and Washington will be fair to say,
I mean, that's true Blue country. I didn't meet that
many Trump voters. I did send you a picture, mind you, Heather,

(01:25:20):
of Michael, the pro Trump uber driver who's got Trump
plasted all around the inside and the outside of a
zuber in Boston. And in fact, he's got a Trump
sort of cutout stuck to the windows screen. And the
interesting thing was Michael kept us entertained for the five
or ten minutes he took us to get us from
our hotel to the train station, and I said, how

(01:25:43):
do you get on when you pull up in this
car and there's a Democrat standing on the sideline? He said, well,
that actually makes me a lot of money because they
don't get in. I wait for them five minutes and
then they've got to pay. So maybe there's maybe this
method to his madness. And I also sent you a
pick heather of a block riding his bike with a
big flag or several big flags on the back of

(01:26:04):
his bike, right in front of the Washington Monument in
the middle of the Washington Mall there with Harris and
Waltz on that one. So look, it's flip of a coin.
But I think the seven and I've heard you talking
about this as well, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,
the seven swing states, Trump's ahead and five of them

(01:26:26):
at the moment. I've got a sneaking suspicion, which might
not be good for New Zealand, that Trump's going to
win this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, I suspect. So I suspect that's what's going to happen.
Are people talking about because the other thing that kind
of swings things in his favor. Is that he is
perceived to be stronger on the economy, and the economy
is what's weighing on people's minds. I mean, is that
the vibe that you were getting over there, that this
is the thing that's plaguing people the most.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
Yeah, I think they all accept that Trump is a
flawed individual, probably a very flawed individual, but at least,
and I'm certainly not pro Trump, but at least when
he speaks, he kind of says something. And Carmal is
probably a wonderfully nice person. And I'll get in trouble
by the liberal left for saying this as well. But
I've watched a lot of her on the US cable

(01:27:13):
channels while I was over there, and her biggest problem
is she doesn't actually say anything. She might tell a
three minute words cell she's annoying. Whereas Trump, you know,
he makes all these promises, but at least she kind
of he's put a peg in the sand. And yes,
I do think to your point that the big issues

(01:27:33):
are the cost of living, the economy, and don't underestimate
the migrant issue. That's the one that people were talking.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
To me about.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
We're going to vote Trump because he's going to build
a wall. They're going to stop these migrants coming in
to our sacrifice cities, and they're going to stop these
criminals coming in and murdering Americans. And I think the
migrant issue might get him across the line, even if
it doesn't mean many illegal Mexicans will get across the
line or the border. And one final word from me
here that just on that. I read a really interesting

(01:28:04):
story in the New York Times about the big dairy
farms in Idaho. It's their biggest dairy farming state, all
run by Mexican labor. A lot of that labor is
illegal or not certificated or whatever you call it. Trump
says on day one, I'm going to send them all home.
No one will be left in the United States to
do the hard yards, just as the likes of the

(01:28:27):
Filipinos do here in this country with our dairy industry
because Kiwi's and Americans are getting lazier by the day
and don't want to do the hard yards.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yeah, very interesting. You know what you didn't see me
was the picture of yourself with the old Trump hat.

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Well that was meant to that. I mean, that was
like a private joke culture.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
It was to me, you've got you've got the orange
hair sticking out the top, and what does the hats
It's just like a Trump like a Trump visor type things.

Speaker 12 (01:28:54):
It.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
Well, look I no, no, no, it's actually a Trump
cap with the orange hair on top. I bought it
from my son, who has some real issues in his life.
One of them he's a mad keen Trump supporter. So
I bought it for him and I just tried it on,
took a poke coourse and he took a peck and
next thing I know, it's on Facebook. So you've just
got to be careful in this day of this, in

(01:29:14):
this day and age, Heather, that should have never have
been That should never have been leaked to you. Cars
on the state, so to be suing you right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yeah too right, and you know, you know what would happen.
Simon Wilson at the Herald will see it and be like,
why did Jamie McKay endorse Donald Trump? That's what that
would become. Jamie McKay, thank you, nice to have you
back Host of the Country, obviously, Heather. Yesterday, the returning
traffic was backed up from Walkworth to the Brindou and
so there was no opportunity to speed. Well, there you go.
I mean that lends itself to the thank you debro.

(01:29:42):
That lends itself to the speeding debate, which I don't
buy into. But yet, maybe you can't go fast when
you can't even move.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
It looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
People are keen on buying houses again. By the way,
after that OCR cut earlier this month, real estate Dot,
Coda and Zed put some figures out today showed after
the carts. Remember this is the big cut, the fifty
basis points cut, twenty five percent, bumping inquiries. All of
a sudden, people are like, I think I can afford
a house with Hey, let's have a look again. Same
thing happened in August when the cut was smaller. Therefore

(01:30:09):
the interest was smaller. But don't get too excited about
this all of a sudden, meaning that you're going to
be able to sell your house for a huge amount
of money because unfortunately there are heaps of houses for sale,
and that still drags that old price back down seventeen
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's hither duplic
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Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
For busy smys on news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Ippi he to tell us about the metallica costs. Please,
I'm waiting, Okay, I promise I'll do it straight after.
End of Sorry, I have kept you waiting. Fourteen away
from seven Ender Brady's with US UK correspondent Evening Ender.

Speaker 12 (01:30:43):
Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I am shocked at how much cheese was stolen.

Speaker 12 (01:30:49):
Yeah, and the reaction. This is an incredible story for
anyone who hasn't followed it. About twenty two tons of top,
top class Welsh and English cheddar has been stolen by
scammers in London. Now the victims of all this is
a company.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Called Neil's Yard.

Speaker 12 (01:31:05):
They offer a very very good British dairy produce out
of London. Six hundred thousand dollars gone. It's twenty two
tons of cheese. And this was a very elaborate crime
started in July. The name of a person who's very
well known in the cheese industry in Europe, a French person.
They imitated them and they knew a lot about the

(01:31:28):
cheese sector, how deals are put together, how cheese is
distributed and financed, and ultimately they had delivery of twenty
two tons of top class cheddar to a warehouse in
London and the payment never followed through. And of course
then at that point the company Neil's Yard, were ringing
this French person who eventually when they got hold of

(01:31:49):
the real person, they said, no, no, no, I've never
ordered twenty two tons of cheese off you, and they
realized it was the victim of a very elaborate scam.
So police are on the case and what's happened now
is Niel's Yard, to their credit, they have paid every
single producer who provided the cheese. These are small producers,
one in Wales, two in England, and the public reaction

(01:32:11):
has been extraordinary.

Speaker 4 (01:32:12):
But there you go.

Speaker 12 (01:32:13):
There's an awful lot of money in posh cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Who I mean, like, how if you're the receiver, if
you're the skemma who's got twenty two tons of cheese,
how on earth are you going to sell that and
make a buck off it.

Speaker 12 (01:32:24):
I think it's out of the UK already. I think
it was gone the next day.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
Apparently it can.

Speaker 12 (01:32:28):
Be stored in the right conditions for eighteen months. The
newspapers reckon this is organized crime and it could be
on its way to Russia as we speak. Who would have.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Thought you could make the cheese off the cheese?

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Are you going to get pinged by the Texas tomorrow?
Are you in trouble?

Speaker 12 (01:32:43):
I think every single person in the UK is in
for a difficult day tomorrow and the budget comes. Rachel
Reeves and kir Starmer have been quite blunt about this.
They claim they inherited a forty four billion dollar black
hole in public finances from the Conservatives, and Starmer is
saying that right, we're fixing this now. We're not going
to kick the can down the road. He says that's

(01:33:03):
been going on for years and years, duping the British public.
So Starmar is biting the bullet. And I think every
single person who's working or has shares or stocks or
inheritance tax to pay, everyone will be paying more tomorrow.
I see they're even putting up bus fares. So bus
fares across the UK are counted four dollars. The whisper
is tomorrow they go up to six dollars, So no

(01:33:25):
one will escape the pain. It is happening tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Is it just going to make an unpopular man even
less popular.

Speaker 12 (01:33:32):
Look, I think he doesn't care about popularity because he's
got another four and a half years. But ultimately Britain
needs to be fixed. National health services in absolute shambles.
The roads I've driven on roads in Kenya with fewer
potholes than some places in Oxfordshire. You know they've left
a mess. And Starmer says he's the man to fix it.

(01:33:52):
But I think it will dent his popularity, no doubt
about that. Rachel Reaves, Britain's first ever female chancellor. What
away to make your announcement with a first labor budget
in fifteen years?

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Yeah too, righty? Was this manager of menu Dee dead.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Well?

Speaker 12 (01:34:08):
The results I think would tell you that he was
Manchester United to be in fourteenth place out of twenty
in the Premier League table. They used to walk this
league for years and years under Alex Ferguson. The thing
I'm shocked about is how much compensation he's due. Apparently
twenty six mil end z. That was what was left
on his contract and that's what they're going to have
to pay, and I tell you we'll be very angry

(01:34:30):
about that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Heather the two hundred and.

Speaker 12 (01:34:32):
Fifty office and canteen staff and background people who got
the sack in the summer. In this cost saving measure,
I mean getting rid of two hundred and fifty ordinary
people that can't come anywhere near what they're paying this
guy in compensation. But ultimately Manchester United are way way
off the pace. I mean, big global, once proud name
that dominated English soccer and now they're just a minor club.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Yeah, giz, it is quite a fall from grass I
thinks Indy appreciated into Brady correspondent. Right here you go
Metallica tickets. This is according to Chris Schultz. He's got
a substack called the boiler room because I can only
find what the Australian tickets are, but he seems to
have got his hands on the New Zealand ticer prices
and who who Okay, here you go four hundred and
ninety five dollars for the Frantic package. Four hundred and

(01:35:17):
ninety five dollars. That's a general admission ticket, early entry
and a drink seven hundred and ninety eight dollars, so
basically it's rounded up to eight hundred. You get the
one package that will get you a premium seat entry
into a VIP party, three drinks, and a download of
the audio from the show. If you pay one thousand
dollars or nine hundred and ninety eight dollars, Moth into
the Flame package gets you all of the above, so

(01:35:40):
premium seat entry into a VIB party, three drinks, and
a download of the audio, but you'll also be standing
right in front of the stage. Also, you can spend
four thousand dollars on something called the nothing else Matters
snake snake Pit. Let me get this straight, because you've
got to have the full impact nothing else matters snake
Pit experience three thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight dollars,

(01:36:04):
which is the amount of money pointed out that you
could spend on a secondhand car. You can purchase a
Metallica ticket that will get you front of stage, a
meet and greet with two Metallica band members, not of
your choosing, just the ones they give you, the two
crappy ones, probably a backstage tour, a poster, and other
bits and pieces. And what did you say? So four thousand,
which is the cost of a car, will get you

(01:36:25):
the maximum experience of meeting two of these people. What
did you say? The cheapest tickets are supposed to be.

Speaker 24 (01:36:30):
There's technically tickets that we're available for one hundred and
five dollars plus fees at the moment. If you want
to buy a ticket right now, the cheapest you can
get is about two hundred and sixty three plus fees.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Muh yeah, the eager. So it's not it's not going
to be cheaper.

Speaker 24 (01:36:44):
Again in I don't think they'll be cheaper on Monday.

Speaker 8 (01:36:46):
Put it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Nah, it's not going to be cheaper that you're gonna
have to You're gonna have to sell some part of
your body or one of your children eight away from seven,
whether it's.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Macro microbe or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen
and my the HR platform for susp Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
The husband just spent two hundred and forty dollars for
an okay seat, So there you go. That's because the
cheap ones are being snapped up. But I don't know
just hey, is it ticket Master? Ants?

Speaker 24 (01:37:15):
It is on Ticketmaster?

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Yeah. Ticket Master are famous for dynamic pricing, aren't they
with the Oasis things, So you never know, maybe the
prices will come back once the demand calls off. Speaking
of which Oasis, I don't I don't like who's giving
these boys advice? Ay, obviously who's giving these boys advice?
Are they taking the advice history would suggest? No, they

(01:37:37):
are threatening now. The latest thing they're doing is they're
threatening to cancel the tickets that are up on the
internet for resale. So a bunch of people would have
bought tickets and they'd be like, I'm not going to
fly to the UK. After all, they're coming to Australia.
Will just go there. People like that. There'll be some
scalpers and stuff like that. But there are more than
fifty thousand tickets just for those UK events that are
for sale. Oasis is now going to cancel them all

(01:37:59):
and put them up for resale again through ticket Master.
I don't know how that's going to go down with punters,
Because if these guys were squeaky clean themselves, maybe you'd
be like, yeah, yeah, get on the scalpers.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
But because they are but saddicts themselves about trying to
make huge amounts of money off the tickets, I don't
know that anybody's gonna be like, oh, you're my heroes, Yeah,
you're on our side. More likely going to look at it.
You're just looking for another opportunity to make huge amounts
of money, Aim Heather. Obviously, your smart watch does not
detect common sense. Well it might, it might have a
common sense detector on it. It doesn't give me common sense.

(01:38:32):
It just detects whether I've got.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
It or not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
And I'm not going to tell you what it says.

Speaker 24 (01:38:35):
And well, we've only got the watchworking this month as well.
We can't expect to have all the apps and stuff working.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Talking about like I've made it work at the weekend.
I don't even know how to do the weather at
properly on the things.

Speaker 24 (01:38:43):
So say, the common sense is way down there on
the big dip wherever I may roam by Metallica to
play us out tonight. I mean, you know, they may
be charging quite a lot for their tickets, but at
least they're not taking the tickets that we've bought. Oh
that's yet, so I think they're probably beat Oasis for
at the end of the show today.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
When the guys who pulled the horns, the brit Poppers,
you know, the brit Poppers are in trouble, thank you
as all right, listen, enjoy your day. See you Tomorrow
and News.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Talks for more from Hither Duplessye Allen Drive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
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