Michael Pezzullo: Former Australian Home Affairs Secretary on the case for a joint Aus-NZ military - Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive

A former Aussie Home Affairs secretary is calling for New Zealand to get rid of our nuclear-free policy and sign up to Orcus.

Former Australian Home Affairs Secretary Michael Pezzullo says the chances of a conflict with China mean New Zealand and Australia should be working together to create a combined military force.

"Our defence are probably several decades old, and in this highly disrupted world, everything is changing at such a great rate that we just need to re-examine everything," he said. 

Former Australian Home Affairs Secretary Michael Pezzullo talks to Ryan Bridge. 

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