Full Show Podcast: 03 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. We've got the fourth law
and order announcement from the government this week, this time
changes to Tresparce laws. Is then any of this is
actually going to work? We're going to speak to a
lawyer about it. We're also going to speak to one
of the All Blacks coaches about the big game this weekend.
And have you heard of passenger parenting? If you're a
mum doing everything, you're probably living it, an expert will
explain Heather Dupericy Alan, this is going to sound harsh

(00:41):
and I know it, but I think women like Rachel
Reeves need to stop crying in public. I've said it.
This is the biggest news that is in the UK
at the moment. Their chancellor, who's basically the equivalent of
our Nikola Willis, started crying in Parliament. Now I have
I feel Verius. I do. I feel really sorry for
her her because it looks like she is going to

(01:02):
probably end up taking the fall for a man's incompetence
because Keir Starmer, her Prime Minister, is weak and is
giving into a rebellion and has forced a you turn
on her, thereby undermining her fiscal plans. And then after
all of that, after doing all of that to her,
humiliating her in public, what then happened in parliament is
what sparked the tears. He was asked whether after all

(01:25):
of the humiliation he's put her through, he's going to
keep her in the job, and he would not confirm
that he would keep her in the job. And she's
sitting directly behind him. The cameras capture it. Her face crumbles,
the tears start rolling, and it is hard. You'd have
to be heartless not to feel for the woman, because
it is incredibly clear that she is trying so hard
not to cry, but she cannot help her. But women

(01:46):
have got to stop crying in public. If you cannot
stop yourself crying in public because it is too much,
get up, leave the room, do it privately. I was
reading Justinto's book last night again, I mean talk about crying.
There's another crier, And in it she tells the story
of being pregnant and talking to a successful corporate woman
at a function and she couldn't find a word that
she was looking for, and she said to the woman, oh,

(02:08):
baby brain, and then she laughed, and the woman didn't laugh.
The woman looked at her with a stern face and
said to her, you can never say that. You can
never say that. And the reason is because it's obvious.
Because if she says that in public, Jasinda Ardourn's opponents
would have seized on it, but also people in general
would have seized on it as an example that women

(02:30):
cannot do significant jobs while being pregnant and being mums,
and the same is unfortunately true for Rachel Reeves. There
will be people who will seize on this as an
example that women cannot handle significant and stressful jobs because
women are inherently more emotional. Now I realize that what
I am saying is controversial because we have been told
time and time again by people like John Kerwin that
we're not supposed to bottle things up and we are

(02:51):
supposed to talk about it. But I think we've gone
completely in the other direction. We're now at risk of
oversharing everything that we're feeling. By all means, talk about it,
talk to the people, to you cry all you like
behind closed doors to them. But if you're going to
cry in public, leave the room, especially for God's sake,
if you're a woman in a big job, because it
reflects on all women.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Heather duplusy L.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Nine two ninety two is the text under standard text.
Vias apply it. By the way, that's not even the
end of what happened with Rachel Reeves. I'll run you
through all of that. And just to tick now, the
Building and Construction Minister is finally pulling the trigger on
his insulation reform. The insulation requirements in the building code
are going to be made more flexible by the end
of the year. The Minister reckons it'll save the cost
of the average new build buy up to maybe fifteen

(03:33):
thousand dollars. Chris Pink is the Building and Construction Minister,
and with us, Hey, Chris, hey, that, how are you so?
And well, thank you so? Explain to me how this
would work. Right at the moment, we have like a
standard one size fits all for houses. But you're going
to make this more flexible.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
We've got what we call the schedule method, which sets
out in a very prescriptive way all the different parts
of the building that need to be insulated or double
glaze in a certain way, and that adds a huge
amount of cost because in some cases, depending on where
you are in the country, or depending on what the
conditions are or which way your house faces, you don't
need all of that, you just need some of that.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
So as long as we can get to the same
good overall result.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Without being so prescriptive, then there's money to be saved
and homes to be built.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
So one of the examples that you used was if
you change the size of the window, it will affect
how much insulation you need. Run me through that.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yeah, well, I mean windows are the most vulnerable part
of the house.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
You can imagine they leak more hot air or cool
air as the case may be, than you know, walls
and even doors, So you know, changing that design element
will significantly affect how much insulation you need to have
in the walls, or whether a concrete slab will make
any difference, and so on. So the idea is a
bit of give and take and what are called the

(04:46):
calculation or modeling methods.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
Mean, if you want.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
Bigger windows, that's fine, you might need a bit more insulation.
You've got smaller windows, you might need a bit less.
So it's about not having a one size fits all
because when you're that prescriptive, that's when all the additional
costs comes and that's what we're trying to get away from.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And the orientation of the house. So what if you're
north facing less insulation.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
Well you get more suns so you know, it depends.
Of course, that's the point about insulation is that it
keeps you warmer if these womths inside the house because
get this leakage. But also of course you've got to
think about the way that sunlight can come in and
cause more more heat.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
So there's a you know, reflective glass called low Ei.

Speaker 6 (05:23):
So there's lots of different factors and I'm not going
to successfully describe them all, but suffice to say the
design and location, including the location in New Zealand by
the way, Northland being quite different from Southland.

Speaker 7 (05:32):
Yeah, all makes the factor.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
So if we allow all those to be taken into
account and don't go down the prescriptive path in again,
as I say, you'll get a you actually get a
better result in terms of in terms of.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
The don't we already have zones Chris like don't we
have zones that that's specified that if you're further south
you need to build build a sturdier house to some extent.

Speaker 6 (05:51):
But but there isn't, for example, a special zone for
Northland that takes into account the difference you.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Know, how warm they are.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
Yes, so we've actually said as well that we're looking
at and I've asked MB to look at establishing a
whole new separate one for Northland because up here where
I am actually now with our excellent local MP Grant McCallum,
there's both both, you know, the lesser requirement for instilation
against cold, but actually also the cost of building is
huge and that's obviously a massive effect for the communities.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
And that I was actually talking to Grant just before
when he said that he was with you, what are
you two up.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
To visiting a number of small businesses and manufacturing outfits
up here.

Speaker 7 (06:29):
Actually that's a different minister that I with. So a
lot going on up here, but lots of challenges and opportunities.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Hey, I have one more question about this though, So
how does this interact what you're doing with new bills?
How does that interact with rentals and healthy home standards?
If you change the standards for new builds, do you
need to change the standards for healthy homes?

Speaker 6 (06:46):
No, technically separate. So actually, and I mean it's a
bit crazy. The systems don't talk to each other. But
as of who you describe on your show in the
last couple of days, many of us are living in
homes quite happily that we wouldn't be able to rent out.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yeah, circumstances were different.

Speaker 6 (06:59):
So it's actually a different thing because you know, that's
a provision of a heat punt as opposed to heaters
and so on, whereas this is just the insulation or
energy efficiency.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah. Cool, Hey, thank you very much. Chris appreciated Chris
pink building in construction Minister. I said to grant Us,
tell he said, I'm with Chris. Chris is going to
be on your show him and I said, tell Chris
to bring his A game. He brought his a game,
didn't he. You don't need to tell Chris to bring
his A game. I think he brings it every time. Hither,
there's no crying in public rule. Can you ask Oli
if it should apply to ossie males as well?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Do you know what though? It should apply to males,
shouldn't it Because if you think about it, if Keirs
Starmer started crying in the house because or like, imagine,
imagine if you cinder imagine the same same rolls right.
Imagine if imagine if jo Cinda had stood there and said, no,
I'm not going to I'm not going to back up
Grant Robinson. I can't confirm that he's going to remain
as the finance minister, and he started crying. We'd all
be like, what the hell is wrong? Pull yourself together, mate,

(07:53):
wouldn't we We would write, we'd say the same thing
to men. The problem is I'm not a man, so
I don't care. I only care about women. I just
as a woman in a high profile job. I look
at another woman in a high profile job, and I
go sort it out, Sort it out, Rachel, I don't
need this, listen. Can I just give a shout out
to women? Actually? Though, well one woman in particular. Those

(08:14):
bunker busting bombs that Trump dropped on Iran were designed
by a woman. Her name is Ann Jong. She's sixty five.
She lives in the States now, but she was a
refugee of the Vietnam War. She's known as the Navy's
bomb lady. She was actually busy designing those bombs before
nine to eleven. Then she had to go away and
design some other bombs that they could use in Afghanistan.
And I think she might have gone back to designing

(08:35):
these bombs again, but anyway, I don't really know. Maybe
she'd done the work by then, but she was responsible
for the bombs in Afghanistan, also responsible for the bombs
in Iran. She says, you cannot possibly know how much
damage the bombs did. We're having this massive debate about
whether it was obliteration or just significant damage. What she
was like, it's impossible to answer that question. Not even
Iran knows the answer to that question, because, as she says, quote,

(08:58):
think about it, you just bombed an underground nuclear facility.
Who is going to go when they're and have a
look to see how bad the damage is. It's going
to be years before we can possibly verify it by
sending a person. And sixteen needed a woman to tell
us the obvious, didn't we sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
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Speaker 3 (09:20):
Be Hey, We're going to have to deal with the
government's just given us a list of the Quarter two
targets that they've managed to achieve and now we've got
the Quarter three action plan that's come through. So we're
going to deal with that. Short Lis nineteen past four
and Elliott Smith's sports talk hosters with us. Hello Elliott,
Hello headed What do you think of the squad?

Speaker 8 (09:37):
I quite like it and I think it's bold. I
think they've made some real changes here at the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Last year.

Speaker 8 (09:43):
Scott Robson has admitted in a couple of interviews that
maybe they're a little bit too conservative in terms of
their selections. Well, this has swung the pendulum big time
to some risk taking. Four debutantes in the twenty three
that old adage of you know, slowly blooding through the debutantes.
Maybe they get a chance in the third test of
the year. Well they haven't done that. They've put all
four of the out of the six in the squad

(10:05):
in the mix for this weekend, two starting two on
the bench. And I think it's the side of the
times is that they want to really take some risks
with this All Blacks team and push the envelope a
little bit. That maybe they did previously did last year.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
They feel a.

Speaker 8 (10:18):
Little bit more comfortable in this All Black side. You know,
Fabian Holland big body starting in the second row for
the first time, moving to po Vai to blindside Flanka.
You know, there is inherent risk in what we're doing
this weekend, but if you don't do it, you don't know.
And you know, I quite applaud that approach from.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Scott Roberts's risk though. I mean, if you isn't the
French team, absolutely crap it is.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
But the All Blacks have traditionally, well we don't haven't
seen the four twenty three year, but the All Blacks
have traditionally been slow starters to a season. So there
is that little bit of risk that you're putting in
new combinations and you can only play who you're in
front of. And look, this French team have got nothing
to lose. There are a lot of players trying to
impress and trying to crack that top French team, as
their head coach sees it. So there is a little

(11:01):
bit of nothing to lose from the All Blacks perspective,
but you know, you've still got to go out there
and do it, and it would have been easy to
put out these players that have played test ranky before,
not change combinations. Say we'll get to it for week
three if we win the first two tests. But the
roll of the dice and I think that's it's quite
a bold move moving Rica Juanne back to the left wingers.
Another one, Billy Procter form player in Super Ranby this year.

(11:21):
So in many ways it's what the public has been
calling for and they've embraced it. The all Black Selectors.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, interesting stuff. Now what do you make of Hayden
Padden wanting to put a key we owned team in
the double?

Speaker 8 (11:30):
I really like this in the WRC. I think it's
a great move. It look a bit more like Formula One,
you know, Red Bull Racing and all those other teams
that's been too tied to the manufacturers. The WRC very
very hard to crack Ford and Toyota and Hyundai the
main one. Citron's been in there as well, but it's
very much a close shop. And we know Hayden Padden's

(11:51):
an absolutely wonderful driver, hasn't been able to get it.
We're cracked with Fyonda. But how good if he was
able to put a New Zealand team together and go
we've got one driver here, co driver. Yeah, we're going
to put a couple of cars out and and contest
the WRC. I think that's what the sport's been missing.
It's sort of falling off the radar. You think of
Cal mc crae twenty years ago and especially Lob and
a few of those other drivers. Doesn't really crowd a

(12:12):
ripple anymore. If Hayden Pattin's able to stack up a
kewed team, you know, think of a one GP what
about twenty years ago, which was on the on the
headlines around international representation, kind of like if one I'm
all for this. I think it'd be a great move.
The problem here that, of course, is where's the money
coming from and from New Zealand trying to fund the
WRC team which goes around the globe. It would not

(12:34):
be cheap in the slightest.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, hey, thank you, Elliott, appreciate it. Elliott Smith. Sports
talk host Scott Hansen, the All Blacks assistants co assistant coach,
is going to be with us after quarter past five
on that. Unfortunately, bad news the jury and the Mushroom
Chef trial is still out now they were sent out
on Monday at lunch time, so that's Tuesday at lunch

(12:56):
and we three days now, and that is that's actually
starting to become quite a that's certainly I did not
expect that they would be deliberating this long And the
only reason they deliberate this long is because they can't agree,
which means that maybe she gets off four twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Three getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy
Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That'd be yeah, they're not sure how you can say
a frenchsightful of Premier league players will be crap. They
will still be a decent team. And you make a
fair point. Actually, we'll talk to Scott Hanson about that.
In about forty five minutes. It's full twenty five on
this reporting of the prominent New Zealander who has appeared
in court this morning but has name suppression. Now, I
don't blame you if you looked at that in the

(13:47):
papers and rolled your eyes, because how many times have
we read stories about name suppression and it makes it
sound like there's somebody involved that you know exactly who
it is. And then when Finally the name suppression is lifted.
It turns out to be some random musician in Wellington
you've never heard of, right, And I wouldn't blame you
if you look at that and going it'll be the
same thing again this time though, when the papers say
prominent New Zealander, it is actually quite significant, and it's

(14:10):
partly because of the charges that he's facing, which all
sound really reasonably serious, right. All eight of them are
Category three offenses, which is an offense that is punishable
by imprisonment for a term ranging from two years to life.
To let me repeat that, life in prison now, even
though we cannot name him under this court order, we

(14:30):
are going to keep you on the show across developments
in this case because, as I say, this is significant
and it will be obvious to you why it is
significant when the name suppression lifts, that is not up
to us. That's up to the courts. And from what
I understand, all the media are basically fighting this name suppression.
So just hang on for a minute, I suppose anyway. Listen,
Blue Bridge now, I was talking about the Blue Bridge,

(14:52):
the boat that was arriving today. It arrived to Dame Wellington. No,
my Height, Am I to New Zealand. Dear boat. We
got the tug out the to spray on it. Did
you know it came from Denmark. Took six weeks to
get here, so it's still like the olden days. Takes forever.
But the cutest thing about this was how many people
went to go and watch this boat just let's just
trundle its little way into the harbor into Port Nicholson.

(15:15):
There were about one hundred people huddled in the rain
along orient because of course it's for training in Wellington.
It's Wellington huddled in the rain on Oriental Amy come
in by train from Lower Hut. They've made such a
big isn't that cute making such a big deal about it. Anyway,
We're going to talk to Bluebridge's boss about this after
five o'clock and just see how it is that he
managed to get a faery so fast when we're still

(15:35):
trying for the public fairies, and it's been what like
five hundred years. Headline's next hun.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart
of the story, it's hither duplessy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 9 (15:53):
News dogs they'd be bugging Barnas and flowers right.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Thomas Coughlin is going to be with us in around
about ten minutes time, and we also have of course
Murray Old standing by out of Australia. The list has
been released. These are the things that need to be
done by this government in the next quarter. It's actually
a shorter list than normal, which I think is it's
only twenty eight items. What is it normally? Let matter
quick look for you thirty eight yere so it's about

(16:25):
you know, you've got about a quarter missing, which is
okay because it probably was such a long list. Some
of these things have been just pumped up to kind
of add you know, you feel like it's all it's
not all Keller, sometimes a bit feller. So it's okay
to have a shorter list. Number one announce next steps
to improve supermarket competition. Doar God, spare us from this
because I stop. I stop at number one. Something's happened

(16:48):
with Woolworth's and I'm going to come back to the
c in a minute, but it's just going to set
off a chain of letters from Nikola. You know that
I am so over the supermarket thing. We've discussed this. Stop,
stop with the fluffing, just give us, just get to
it and do the actual thing that's going to make
a difference anyway. That's number one. We'll deal with more
with Thomas when he's with us. And just to take
twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
The world wires on newstalks. 'd be drive us.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
House representatives are working late into the night as they
wrangle over the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. Some Republican
rebels are still opposing it, so the House Speaker doesn't
yet have the numbers to pass it. The Democrats, unsurprisingly
are opposing it too. Here's AOC. This bill is a
deal with the devil.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
It explodes our national debts, It militarizes our entire economy.

Speaker 10 (17:34):
We cannot stand for it, and we will not support it.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
You should be ashamed. No crying from that one. The
Victorian government is bringing in some new regulations to prevent
abuse and childcare centers. This comes after two men working
at centers have separately been charged with sex crimes and
tampering with food, respectively. Advocates have called for men to
be banned from some spaces and childcare centers as a result.

Speaker 11 (17:56):
That includes the change room, the toilets, and also the
sleep quarters. If we're in the immediate measures actually move
men out of those intimate spaces. That is one area
to bring calm and to bring security to children, but
also security and calm to parents.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
We will discuss this in the tick. And finally, you can.

Speaker 12 (18:16):
Tell everybody you see a.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Song, yep, that's your song by Elton John, but that's
Ali Golding singing it. And it turns out she just
loves performing it at weddings. Allie sang it at the
royal wedding of Prince William and Kate in twenty eleven,
and she sang it over the weekend at the wedding
of Jeff and Lauren. You know, Jeff and Lauren, Jeff Bezos,
Lauren Sanchez. Who knows. Maybe you can book her for
your wedding too.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
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Speaker 3 (18:46):
Murray Olds, I'll be corresponding.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Hello, mus Hello, we had a good afternoon to you.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Should we ban men?

Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well, it's a very very vigorous debate over here, as
you might expect. All the data shows ninety seven percent
of child sex offenders ninety seven percent are men. So
it's not about discrimination. According to those who are supporting
this idea that men basically should not work in childcare centers,

(19:12):
ninety seven percent of those accused of sexual offenses against
little kids are men. And here's the thing. I mean
that there's allegations this afternoon that this alleged child sex
offender worked at more than twenty centers across Melbourne, and
those centers have been identified so far. This is the

(19:33):
twenty four year old. I think a twenty six year
old a bigger pardon the twenty six year old who's
accused of sexually assaulting eight children at one center aged
five months to two years old. The accused those worked
at at least twenty centers. Here's the thing. Twelve hundred children,
the parents of twelve hundred kiddies have been told to
go out and get their kids tested for your sitting

(19:54):
down goner rhea and chlamydia. So you know, it doesn't
get much more serious than this. So there's very vigorous
debate about men and being involved. And as you say,
there's a second fellow now and apparently the alleged child
sex offender in the childcare setting only came to light

(20:15):
when police busted the second guy and accused him of
raping a young man fourteen years old, so a child,
I should say. So it's dreadfully, dreadfully murky and horrible,
and I mean people are freaking out, as you might
expect in Melbourne, and so there's very vigorous debate about men,
about how many centers, and the thing goes on and

(20:36):
on and on.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Mus although the proportion of sex offenders who are mean,
you know, it's a high proportion. What proportion of men
do you think are sex offenders?

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Well, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
That's probably also a relevant stat right, I mean, just
because these two guys are creeps doesn't mean all men
are creeps.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Now that's true. But you know, I mean, you're limited
in terms of being able to sexually abuse children if
you're working for you know, Price Waterhouse, you know what
I mean, if you're in the army, But if you were,
if you are one of these people who wants to
offend against kids and you're in a childcare setting, it
just makes it so much more easy, doesn't it. And

(21:14):
that's the allegation. I mean, that's the and that's the
argument getting propagated over here to day.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Listen, did Quantus lose your information? Did people nicke it?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well, I don't know. They've not contacted me, and I
am a Quantus frequent flyer, but you know, all of
Quantus are frequent flyers, and I've not been contacted. But
those of us who have and those of us who haven't.
Everyone who flies quant has been warned look out for
scammer teams in the next few days. Six million people
caught up in this massive data breach. You've got cyber
criminals who belted Quantus on Monday. I'm not sure what

(21:48):
a third party customer servicing platform is, but that's apparently
what the crooks use to gain access to things like
customers names, email addresses, phone numbers, birth dates. Freak, but
flying numbers, Quanta says. Listen, no credit card details, no
financial information, so no pens, no logins. But of course

(22:09):
what other authorities are saying, independent of the airline, all
the information they've got can be used to create fake
IDs in your name, in my name, in my brother's name,
or your cousin's name, so you don't need it. Over here,
it's one hundred points and you can create a fake identity,
and you've got all of it, a whole bunch of points.
When you've you know, you stack up all of the

(22:32):
quantus I D stuff.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Mass Why the fifteen year old boys shooting up houses in.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Sydney because they think a thousand dollars is a lot
of money?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Is that what they're getting paid?

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Well, that was one thing I heard on the on
the air this morning. As little as a thousand dollars,
they're given the gun and address a stolen car. They
I mean, a lot of these kids would be so
small they couldn't see how at the boody steering wheel,
and here they are. They're given an address, a handgun.
In one case, allegedly back in March, a fifteen year
old kid is accused of shooting up a home in

(23:07):
Maryland's and Sydney's West twenty eight bullets fired from a
semi automatic rifle at the zime in Maryland's, a woman
and four kiddies inside. One of the kids missed by
millimeters a bullet in his head the wrong address. For
God's sake, these kids can't even really bloody a text message.
And then there's a second case and the you know,

(23:27):
the allegations a fifteen year old also pulled the trigger
here with a second boy in April. In the second case,
they police are saying that the young woman was known
to them through associations with organized crime. But here's the thing.
It's called air tasking assassinations. I can get someone to
come to my house and do a tiling job or
a paint job or whatever it might be. These crims

(23:50):
dialing up would be assassin's as young as fifteen with
the promise of a thousand bucks. Imagine that.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, that's just crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
Please are saying, Please, are saying. This is not a
video game, boys, it is not a video This is
real life at debt.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
And if you want to do this stuff, you'd be
in jail for a hell of a long time.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Far too young to even understand it. Must appreciate it.
Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Oh, by the way, it just
got a text from somebody. The crowds in Wellington who
went to see the Blue Bridge, which included the sun,
were drawn by free coffee and chocolate. Hey, now we
get to the truth of it. You don't care that
much about a boat ship ship, as somebody said on
the text ship, but you do care about the free

(24:28):
coffee and the chocolate. Now listen on these men. I'll
be honest with you because I'm a parent of the age.
You know, I'm a parent with kids of the age
that go to ECE. And I am happy that every
single teacher at the KINDI is a woman. I am
happy about that because I like, I think, well, you know,
women feel safer to me than men do. However, can

(24:51):
I just make this point, and I think it is
an important point. Absolutely, most creeps are men, but not
all all All men are creeps by any stretch of
the imagination. Right, The number of creeps. The number of
men who are creeps are tiny, right, And it's unfortunately
all men suffer because of these creeps. Also, while men
may oppose a sexual threat, women pose threats to children too. Right,

(25:15):
go and google it. If you are made of sturdy
enough stuff. I can't google that stuff, so I get
to upset about it. But there are countless examples of
women in childcare settings who neglect children, hurt children, hit children,
all kinds of stuff, weird stuff to children. They just
really abuse them in a hideous I mean, just look

(25:36):
at the nuns. Do we need to go any further?

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
So you cannot actually just as a rule, trust one
sex over the other. Both genders can be hideous to kids.
What you need is good vetting, and clearly that is
what's gone wrong in Victoria.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
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Speaker 3 (25:56):
Hey, we have, by the way, on politics, got the
fourth law and all announcement from National this week, which
is fine. We've had the shoplifting fines, We've had the oh,
it's a bunch of them, and then anyway, today we're
the coward punch. We had our bunch, and then today
what we've got is the trespassing one. Now the question
about this is any of these things actually going to work?

(26:19):
And are they at risk of becoming something of a
one trick pony. We're going to speak to a lawyer,
John Monroe about this. I don't think he is. He's
altogether convinced that all of these things in combination will
do that much. He's with us after five o'clock right now.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
Though.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. Hey, Thomas, good afternoon. Okay,
so we've got the Q three to do list, Are
you thrilled?

Speaker 13 (26:40):
Look, it's fair to say that quarterly action plans are
probably not my cup of tea and perhaps not the
audience for them. But look, there's some decent, decent stuff
on this and to be sure that the Prime Minister
there are only only two actions of the last plan
that he didn't take off completely. Some big things as
wellpealing the ban on offshore all in gas exploration that

(27:02):
was at a pretty big, pretty big thing that the
last government did that the scum wants to repeal. There's
a course, the supermarket competition issues that the government has
promised to address. So it says it will amount to
the next steps to improve supermarket competition. Well it's said
a good I guess we'll judge. We'll judge the merits
at that point by how how they can robust and

(27:24):
effective those supermarket competition measures are okay.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
The two that he hasn't managed to do from Q
two take cabinet decisions on capital market sectings settings, to
improve barriers to listing reduced cost firms, blah blah blah,
enable greater investment of private assess from keep Wesaber provartis
they're doing that, and they haven't published the AI strategy
they're doing that. We could probably give them a pass
on that.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
Can't we h Yes, I don't think. I don't think
the world is going to stop turning just because those
two measures are a wee a week bit least, I think. I.
I think I'll give them an a an a A
for getting them.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
In the in the queue. In the Q three, is
there anything that surprise is you because a lot of
the stuff is stuff that has been pre announced. For example,
as you say the oil and Bass, the oil and
Gas Exploration Band, we already knew that was going to
be repealed, The decisions about tightening the benefit eligibility for
eighteen and nineteen year olds, already knew that kind of
stuff was going to happen. Anything surprising.

Speaker 13 (28:17):
I haven't gone through all of them that they were now,
just as afternoons, I haven't got through all of them.
Took off stuff that stuff that is new that there
hasn't been signaled. One thing they might have signaled this
and if they have done, I apologize to not reading it.
They're planning to establish a major Events Fund to attract
a one off major Events fund to attract large events

(28:38):
in New Zealand. Obviously that is going to send probably
David Seymour at the Space a little bit because it's
really not his kind of a cup of tea. But
I mentioned National New Zealand versus quite keen on it
just a part of money. It sounds like to attract
big events and contents to New Zealand. That's quite interesting.
I hadn't heard about that before. It doesn't mean they
hadn't announced it before, but I hadn't seen it.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah, I'll take that. Okay, Land Corp. What are they
going to do?

Speaker 13 (29:02):
Thank of well, I think I think they're going to
be sold is the issue. It's a land corps which
trades is parme you. It's the government's farming encity. It
actually doesn't own a lot of the land that it's
farms from other government lands they are. Their chief executive
pay has been pretty generous in the last a little while.

(29:22):
It increased dramatically while their profits haveved over the last
three years. Simeon Brown, the State Owned Enterprises Minister, got
some advice from Treasury officials about all of their state
owned enterprises. Basically it found that there was no relationship
between the NCY performance and the chief executive pay. Now,
obviously that's not great and of itself, but the backdrop
to this is the jungle drums are beating for the

(29:45):
twenty twenty six selection to have national running on some
policy of pribatization, and this information which which we got
in just a generic oa A requests to Treasury, it
does suggest that the government is building a case for
the fact that these entities are underperformance and it would
be better to introduce some private sector energy.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Thomas, good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. By the way,
we're going to talk about Land Corp a little bit
more on the show, and we're actually going to talk
to Land Corp after six o'clock. Heather, if my son's
childcare send to hire a man, I would take my
child out of the center. One hundred percent banned men
from childcare, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking
Breakfast is.

Speaker 14 (30:28):
Even first and active rejected a cabinet proposal for an
independent costing agency. The idea was you wrap numbers around
your promises in an election, that's increased transparency and therefore
the fiscal whole drama of the past year or so
doesn't happens. Even Joyce, former finance minister.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Is with us.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
The problem that happens when you're in opposition is that
you don't have access to the information. Though you have
to go chasing around oias and parliamentary questions to try
and get enough information to build a policy. Internationally, when
it happens, nobody still accept it. It's just a different
stage of the argument, and ultimately the public just has
to form a view whether trust's individual to spend more
or less.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Maylee's Real Estate News Talk.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Said, be Heather, would you not send your kids to
a school with a male teacher? Listen? No, whoa, whoa
ho wow, whoa. I'm the one who said said, I'm
the one who is suggesting we might all need to
just tie her hair and just calm down a little bit, because,
as I said, most creeps are men, but not all
men are creeps. Sorry here that this is a typical

(31:27):
knee jerk reaction in childcare scramming. All men are pedos
and rapists. You need men in childcare schools, et cetera
as good role models. What a young father's meant to
feel when being called dangerous kidney fiddlers by Dessault default,
I'm sick of this nonsense. I agree with Chris listen.
I'll tell you a story. Okay, So back in the
back in the in the what you know, eighties nineties,
when the Peter Allis thing was happening, my husband tells

(31:49):
the story of it. There was another he was He
was a dad at the time, and he had a
friend who was a dad at the time, and that
friend said, I no longer bath with my daughter because
I don't because I'm worried about what people will think.
What we need to understand is that there is an
impact on all men when we start having conversations like
this and saying we need to ban men from childcare

(32:10):
centers right and on fathers as well, who start to
feel like everybody's watching them. Men are not creeps. Just
some people are creeps. Some men are creeps, and they
should be the ones punished. You don't ban the whole
gender just because some of them are creeps. As I said,
women can also not be trusted in some instances. By
the way, just really quickly, do you remember how Wilworth's

(32:30):
It was May last year or something like that. They
sent out the email and they sent to a whole
bunch of people that they won a prize, and then
the people hadn't won the prize. They've done it again,
haven't they. They've done it again. They've emailed a whole
bunch of people saying that they've earned a poor old
ants is one of them? Got an email yesterday at
half past two saying, ants you earned a fifteen dollar
every day rewards voucher. So did Colin who listens to

(32:53):
the show. And then that was half passed through. They
were like, yay, got fifteen dollars seven o'clock. Now sorry,
made a mistake. Apologize, Oh that, don't tell Nikola that
you did that, because she's going to send you an email,
isn't she? Wellworths letting people down like that. We're going
to speak to John Monroe, the barrister, about whether these

(33:13):
four lawn order policy announcements from the government are going
to make a jot of difference to things, and then
also the boss of the Blue Bridge to find out
how we managed to get a ferry so fast when
we're still struggling, struggling to get one for kiew we
rail so well next newstcp B. If this w.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Man digging through the spin to find the real story, oring,
it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
That'd be afternoon. We've just had the fourth law and
order announcement from the government in five days. This time
it's changes to trespass laws, which will increase penalties and
also how long people can be trespassed. John Monroe Criminal
defense law. Where is with us now? Hallo John? Good
evening Now. I imagine the most helpful part of this
is actually going to be the ability to trespass somebody

(34:07):
from not just one location, but multiple locations.

Speaker 15 (34:09):
What do you think that sounds like it? Yes, they
can do it across a lot of their stores. I
suppose like the Warehouse or New World can do it
across all of their shops. That's one of the one
of the big changes in that law.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah. Having a look at what's been announced across the
four announcements, much of which is dealing with retail crime,
is this going to make a difference to retail crime.

Speaker 15 (34:31):
Do you think it's very difficult to say the changes.
That's one major change that we just mentioned. The other
changes are increasing the penalties from two years that you
can't come back to the premises to three years, I
think is the first one, and then another one where
if you refuse to give your name and address when trespassed,

(34:52):
that's going from five hundred dollars to a thousand, and
if you refuse to leave or come back at the time,
that's going from one thousand it's two thousand dollars. I mean,
I don't really I don't really think those increases are
going to make a significant difference to people who are
perhaps shoplifting or doing that sort of crime. In any event,

(35:13):
most of those sorts of people I would think don't
have much money in the first place to end up
paying a fine. Does it really deter them? I wouldn't
have thought so. I would have thought that having police
there and arresting them for a crime really deters people.
But I don't know about just increases and fines.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Right, So, do you think much more energy should be
put into something like police presence? Police will the beat
that kind of thing?

Speaker 15 (35:37):
Well, when you look at all all the changes that
have been have been fast and furious in the last
sort of month or months.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
A lot of them.

Speaker 15 (35:47):
For example, the last one about having a special offense,
a specific offense for assaulting a police officer or assaulting
a person in the line of duty. That those things,
those sorts of aggravating factors are in the Sentencing Act already.
So so if you assault the police officer in their
line and their duty, then your sentence will get aggravated

(36:07):
and increased because of it. So I don't I don't
really see what the teeth, but I.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Mean this, this expands it to also include am those
and fine.

Speaker 15 (36:18):
No, no, it's it's just it's it's it's in the
Sensing Act. I think it's nine. I f around that
region there's I think it's health workers as well, in
any any of those sorts of.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Can I think you take on something because I'm a
little bit confused by it, right this read the shoplifting fine.
Is it possible for the police to issue a fine
to a shoplifter on the spot without determining guilt through
the courts.

Speaker 15 (36:43):
That that's is that a new proposed law.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I didn't know of that law.

Speaker 15 (36:46):
Yet I don't think they can do that at the moment.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Proposed.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Sorry, would we be okay with that?

Speaker 15 (36:56):
Well? I don't think so. I think due of course.
I think justice needs to think when an allegations.

Speaker 16 (37:01):
Such as that.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, all right, John Justice, Yeah, I really appreciate your
time that John Unroe, criminal defense lawyer.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Together do for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Blue Bridge's new ship has arrived in Wellington. It took
six weeks. It sailed all the way from Denmark. Shane
McMahon is the CEO of Straight in Z which is
the owner of blue Bridge and with us. Now, Hey, Shane,
did I hear that?

Speaker 4 (37:20):
How are you doing?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I'm well, thank you? How you doing? That was quite
a fuss for its arrival, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
It was?

Speaker 16 (37:25):
And I'm just looking out the window. So Lesa arrived
just before nine this morning. We've taken on about six
hundred thousand liters of fuel today and I'm just watching
her birth for the first time at Glasgow Wharf. So
it's been a very exciting day.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Shane. You announced in March that you'd bought it, but
how long had it taken to get to that point
of actually buying it and announcing it?

Speaker 16 (37:50):
We had sign off from our board two days prior
to Christmas that we had the green light to saurce
a replacement for the Strape for rain here. So it's
really been seven months from where to go. But I
would say we've got very very good, deep relationships with
other operators up in Europe, and I think that's the

(38:11):
reason we've been able to move so quickly here.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So can you explain why it takes you seven months
from the minute that you go, okay, we're going to
buy it. We've got permission to buyership, let's buy a ship.
From that point to the ship arriving, it takes you
seven months. And it's twenty months since we canceled the
last lot for Key we Roll. We still haven't bought anything.

Speaker 16 (38:31):
Yeah, I mean we talk about this a lot as
a team. We can't control what our competitor does. All
we can do is focus on what it is that
we do to make the service better for our customers.
So it has been it's been an enormous effort from
the team to get the vessel in here. Today we're

(38:52):
still not there. We've got the next twenty days. We've
got a lot of work, crew familiarizations, and safety check
and what have you, and then the vessel will come
into service on the twenty third of July. I think
you know as a business, we're a private business. We've
invested well over two hundred million near fleet over the

(39:12):
last three years, and we're doing that because obviously we
want to be able to supply safe, reliable services. We're
also trying to push and grow capacity on cook straight.
So when we bought the kind of r and two
years ago, that increased capacity by thirty five percent, and
when Olivia comes in and what is it three weeks time,

(39:33):
we'll have another ten percent uplift in capacity.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Is your is your vessel bortle least we purchased it
is brought, so it is a straight comparison then, So
just one final question on this. When the guys, the
officials said, hey, there told us this is re key,
we rail there are no secondhand vessels available in the world.
That's obviously not true because you just bought one.

Speaker 16 (39:59):
Yep, Olivia is a skin vest. She's been flying here
trade between Latvia and Germany and the we're just super
excited to be getting here into service. Cool.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
All right, you've just really made a case for why
we might need to partially privatize kre we are. I
really appreciate it, at least the fairy business. Shane McMahon
straight en z ceoc there you go, privatize it, do
it privately, can do it properly?

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Do for c ellens?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Have we got into something here? Hither one of the
best teachers at my child's ECE was a man. All
the kids and parents loved him. Hither we have a
male head teacher at our preschool. Here's the reason my
kids go there. Here is the best. They cannot all
be tarred with the same brush. Hither my wife runds
a daycare has a male reliever. My son attends and
has learned so much from him. Very sexist views on
this very disappointing. Here the considering the number of fatherless

(40:45):
kids out there, we need more men and child care,
not less, not fewer, fewer susan fewer. Sorry I blame
myself for having read it for batim. Anyway, we'll take
it to the huddle. Fourteen past five. Have you heard
of passenger parenting? I'm gonna have to tell you about that. Actually,
we're going to talk about it after half past but
right now seventeen past five. It is the first All
Blacks game of the year this Saturday, of course, playing

(41:06):
the first of three Tests against France in Dunedin. Got
four debutantes named in the side. And from Dunedin we
have the All Blacks assistant coach Scott Hansen.

Speaker 17 (41:14):
Hay, Scott, Hey, here the hell are you today?

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Well?

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Thank you? All those four fresh ones are a surprise.

Speaker 17 (41:19):
Aim well, they will deserve it, so we're excited for
them and their families. It's always a proud moment when
you are named to be an All back, but also
for your first Test cap. So the excitement in the
room to see the smiles and the joy on their
faces a cool moment is a little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Of it that you can also afford to take a
bit of a chance on, like as big a number
of fresh ones because the French side is so rubbish.

Speaker 17 (41:49):
Oh yeah, I said the narrative you're given there, it's
not the narrative we're giving it all. We see the
French as a very good side with a lot of depth.
They play one of the best competitions domestically in the world,
the Six Nations champions. They're coming down here with no fear.
What we've selected either as a team we feel will

(42:09):
allow us to play the game that we need this weekend,
and included in that is for deputonte so we're really
excited for them and the opportunity in front of us.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Why is Demo on the bench, Oh.

Speaker 17 (42:22):
He's going to give us what we need around that bench. Also,
just his ability to ignite our game both at teen
and fullback bod yet teen leads us well. They both
have the opportunity to lead the All Blacks at ten.
They've both got the skills to play fullbacks too, so
we're very lucky in that sense.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Do you think that this will be the way that
you roll it with Boden Barrett starting, Damian McKenzie coming
off the bench, or will you kind of for the
season or will you mix it up game to game?
Do you think?

Speaker 5 (42:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (42:51):
I think so heither. I just think our ability to
have our talent in different areas of the field, the
ability for us to just our game with both Dmac
and body, and you've obviously got a Ruben love there
too around just you know, pushing and challenging those two,
which has been great for us in the last couple
of days. At training. But I think we're really confident

(43:13):
in our group and who will go out each weekend
and put on whatever number juty that may be.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
How are you feeling about the season? Last season was
a little bit kind of hit and miss, which was
fair enough for a new coaching team and you know,
so on, But how are you feeling. Are you feeling
like you guys are going to nail it this year?

Speaker 17 (43:29):
I'm feeling really confident with the group who we've got.
The leadership group's been outstanding heither around grabbing this group,
connecting them early and being really decisive around our game
and what that looks like. So this time of the year,
there's always excitement around what's in front of you. You're

(43:49):
always going to go through challenges, You're always going to learn.
I won't always be perfect for us. We'll adjust, we'll adapt,
we'll learn. We know it's going to be that season.
It's a very challenging one, but one we're definitely very
excited for.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Good luck, Scott, really hope you do well that Scott Hansen,
All Blacks assistant coach from Dunedin are Heather Bluebridge Fairies
don't carry rail freight and the government fairies do, and
the government fairies are brand new. Hence the longer time
frame are wrong, Kevin. The government fiies are new because
the government told us that we couldn't buy any secondhand
fairies because there were no secondhand fairies available in the

(44:24):
whole world. That's why we're getting new ones. But actually
there were some available, and one of them has just
arrived in Wellington from Denmark, owned by the opposition. Now listen,
passenger parenting. I told you this is I'm sorry to
couples who are not hetero as very heteronormative of us,
isn't it. But we're talking about hetero couples here, passenger largely,

(44:47):
it can happen to homosexual couples as well. But with
the example that we're using is here, I feel like
I'm over explaining, aren't I Just move on? Okay? So
the example that I use is moms and dads, and
often you will find I'm going to get myself in
big trouble with everybody. Right now, you will find that
in the passenger parenting example, it's the mum that does
everything and it's the dad that is the passenger, right

(45:09):
And the reason for this could be as in like
it comes along with the right but doesn't do any
of the driving, if you know what I'm saying. And
the reasons could be multiple reasons. Maybe the mum's overbearing,
maybe the mum wants to do everything and then the
dad feels excluded, or maybe the dad just is actually
quite useless and doesn't want to do anything. Anyway, no
one loves it. No one in this in this particular
example loves it. Mom doesn't love it because she's stressed out.
Dad doesn't love it because he's left out. The term

(45:31):
has been coined by Norma Barrett, who is something of
a parenting expert. She's going to be with us after
half past five, and obviously we're going to try and
figure out how to stop this thing from happening five two.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
That'd be one of the things people are talking about today, obviously,
is certain Taylor's open letter to Jacinda. I'm giving you
your trigger warning. Now we are going to be talking
about this before six o'clock. Right now, it's twenty four
past five. Now, you do not have to be a
rocket scientist, I think to figure out that Land Corp
is in trouble with the government and the latest problem
is what the boss is being paid. So the government's

(46:13):
taking a look at all of its SOE state owned enterprises,
how they're performing, and then how the bosses are paid,
and whether the bosses are paid a reasonable amount considering
the SOE's performance. Land Corp not at all. This is
the one they're most worried about because Land Corp is
consistently underperforming and yet the boss is raking it in.
Chief executive has Look, I just want to say, I
don't have a problem with people making mega dollars, but

(46:36):
if you're making mega dollars, a better be because you're
doing good things. And the question here is whether this
is fair that chief executives pay has gone from seven
hundred and sixty thousand dollars three years ago to more
than nine hundred and thirty thousand dollars last year despite
the profit nearly halving from about sixty five million to
about thirty six million. So it's gone the pays going
that way, profits going that way. Minister Responsible Simion Brown

(46:59):
is not happy because he wants Chief executives Pay to
be closely tied to performance, he says, and he's written
to the board chair saying that so this leaves Langcorp
with two options. Either the chief executives Pay stops right
there and only goes up again when the performance improves. Frankly,
they might want to consider actually bringing it back down again.
Or Land Corp has to lift its performance big time.

(47:20):
And Land Corp actually hasn't got any excuses for not
doing that because farmers up and down this country are
raking it in at the moment. It's just Land Corp
can't quite manage to do what the other farmers are doing.
We had a farmer, Grant McCallum of the National Party
on the show a few weeks back, saying, for the
two billion dollars worth of assets that Land Corp is gone,
it should be making in net operating profit about one
hundred to two hundred million dollars minimum one hundred more

(47:42):
like two hundred million dollars annually. Instead it made twenty
million dollars last year because it got distracted with silly
ideas like trying to milk deer. Now, the troubleful Land
Corp is that It's been warned for years now by
at least three ministers to buck up its ideas, and
despite all the warnings, it just simply cannot buck up
its ideas. So I think it's not going to and
I think it will be sold down if this government

(48:04):
wins next year's election.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Heather dupery Ala and the.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Chief Operating Officer of land Corpus with us after six Okay,
I started the show telling you about Rachel Reeves, the
Chancellor in the UK, bursting into tears in the Commons.
What happened was, so this was overnight, but this has
been coming for a few days. She was crying, apparently
on Saturday because they were trying to deal with the
rebellion forcing a U turn from her on her fiscal plan.
So she's crying on Saturday. And then yesterday she was
in the Commons and she was taking too long to

(48:29):
answer questions. She's not very good at it, and the
Speaker of the House started trying to get her to
shut up, and she wasn't taking any notice of it,
and finally he goes order and she goes, oh right fine,
and sits down and rolls her eyes. Nobody is aware
of this at the time, but the speaker sees it
and he's not happy. So on her way into the

(48:51):
Commons overnight, he stops her before she goes in, and
he has a real crack at her by the sounds
of things for a couple of minutes, and she is
so tells rough and whatnot. She's so upset that when
she walks into the commons, she's visibly already upset and
goes to sit down, accidentally sits on an sits on
another MP's lap. I mean, the poor woman. Think about it.

(49:14):
If you're going to sit down and you completely miss
your seat and you're on the lap of thank god,
a female MP, but you're sitting on your colleagues lap,
things are not good. And then of course the crying
happens because Kia's a dickhead. I mean, look, if you
haven't come, you haven't realized this by now, Sir Kia Starmer,
is Lily Livid's waste of space? Anyway, we'll talk to
the huddle about whether women should cry in public. Shortly,

(49:35):
News Talk's EMP.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather First
Bed's Heather dujs Ellen drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talks, hed been.

Speaker 9 (49:52):
Bator, Suity.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Urs you me.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Standing by John Williams and Gareth Who's will be with
us shortly? Right now? It's twenty four away from six
now when you study on fatherhood has coined a phrase
passenger parenting. Now, a passenger parent is the parent, usually
the dad. It just comes along for the ride but
doesn't actually do that much, leaving the mum to do
all the heavy lifting. Norma Barrett from Deacon University and
Victoria is the co author of the study High Norma, Hi, Heather.

(50:25):
Whose fault is this? Is it the mother for taking over?
Or is it the father for being slack?

Speaker 10 (50:30):
Or Heather? It's not that simple. We know parenting is
a complex game, so I'm not going to go into
picking favorites, but I can say, look the way things
play out when we're parenting, and how we expect it's
going to be and how it actually happens in reality
can often be quite different, and it can be a

(50:50):
tricky time when we're trying to work out our new
rules as parents and young children.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Norma, is it fair to say it could be? It
could either it could actually be any any of the
three possibilities. It could be the mothers too overbearing, or
the father is two hands off, or it could simply
be that they're doing both of the things at the
same time.

Speaker 10 (51:11):
There could be a bit of both. That's right, I
think to try and boil it down to that, I suppose,
you know, would discount a lot of the subtleties in
terms of how things play out. And often we're learning
this on the fly. You know, we don't get the
manual for the child at the beginning, and we don't
know how we're going to feel about things later on.
So often we think, oh, I'm going to have this

(51:32):
parenting style, but in reality, when we're presented with situations,
we adopt different approaches. Often we start out and we think, oh,
I'm going to be a stay at home.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
Parent or I'm going to be a working parent.

Speaker 10 (51:44):
And sometimes we think, actually, I'd rather have more time
either at home or at work. And so it's changing
all the time, and it can be difficult to try
and negotiate that when you don't know what you're going
to feel like when it actually happens.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Okay, to talk to me as a mom, right, so
as a mom, I probably no, let's not sell the song.
Let's not be soft about it. Okay, I do basically
everything right as a mom. No, that's not fair either
on him. I'm doing it now, aren't I? Okay? As
a mom, I do a lot, and sometimes I can
feel a little bit resentful. But what I'm now realizing
is that while I don't like having all the mental

(52:19):
load and all that stuff on me, he might not
like the fact that he's being cut out so much.
It sucks for both parents.

Speaker 10 (52:27):
It's tricky because often when the parent who you know,
is trying to carve out space to actually be more active,
sometimes they might feel like that they're stepping on toes.
And we have to think about, Okay, if I don't
want to carry all the load, am I comfortable with
handing it some things over to somebody else? And am
I going to be accepting of how they do things?
Because we all do things in different ways. Are we

(52:49):
accepting of how somebody else prepares the lunchbox?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
You know?

Speaker 10 (52:54):
So it's interesting the dynamic, and it's really tricky for fathers,
I think, because in those early stages, you know, their
first kind of feeling of being a parent can often
be after the birth whereas for mothers, biologically, you know,
they're typically you know, they're they're already kind of feeling
they're more on the parenting journey and at the center

(53:16):
of that, and rightly so with their health care and
everything that's attached with that. But for fathers, they're kind of,
you know, this responsibility tends to kick in based on
the conversations I've had, you know, at the birth, and
so trying to work out then to kind of slot
into the journey at that point can be a little
bit tricky. And the other thing that's a bit tricky

(53:37):
is that typically mothers, you know, working mothers, and if
they get a break from work, often they're the parent
that takes that chunk of time in the very early days,
so they get to do a lot of their training,
they've got time kind of put to one side, whereas
father's typically, you know, these days, fathers tend to get
a bit more time off of work, which is great,
but often return to work quite soon after the arrival

(53:57):
of a child, so they don't have that time to
kind of grow into the room. That kind of rushed
back into everyday life again. And then naturally the mother
tends to pick up a lot of the duties and
the caring duties, and then you know you have this
dynamic set up already who the primary careror, who the
main carer is, and trying to transition out of that

(54:19):
is really hard if that's something that families want to
do without stepping up tools.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Norma, thank you very much. I really appreciate Norma Barrett,
who is the co author of the study from Deacon
University in Victoria. By the way, we do not have
passenger parenting in our family anymore. We fixed it, completely
fixed it. I'm going to tell you how later on
right now, nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
You're one of a kind with us on the huddle,
Gareth Hugh's director of the Well Being Economy Alliance outsiad
Or obviously former Green MP, and Jordan Williams of the
Taxpayers Union. Hello, lats you do that, Gareth, you've got
two teenagers? You have any passenger parenting going on?

Speaker 18 (54:57):
Yeah, I've probably been guilty of it in the past,
if I honest. It's funny. Also, there's a bit of
a social thing that happens sometimes when I'm the main
parent listed on the school of the end or whatever.
It's the school who still calls their mum rather than me.
So yeah, I think, not like you here, that we've
put a lot of work into it, and I don't
think we call ourselves passenger parents anymore.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yeah, what about you, Jordan.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I think it always changes, although my kids are still
quite young.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
But I'm what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Well, sometimes children the good cop bad cop routine. I
can told my two year old off at the table
and my five year old told me off for leaving
the table early to come and do this interview. So
I mean, like any relationship, though, there's there's ems and flows.
But as I've said on the show before, I picked well,
my other half's a pediatric intensive care nurse, so there

(55:49):
are some matters where I am the passenger and I have.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
To give you to the Jordan. To be fair to you,
your other half is on is actually not working right
it's full time parenting.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Well she works part time, but yeah, I mean we
like partnership. You specialize and that's normal and that will
change as as the kids get As the kids get older,
and you might want to go back to work full time.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
For example, Laura, the German is shaking her head at
you right now. Why Why are you shaking your head
at him?

Speaker 4 (56:20):
Laura, La, She's always telling me off.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
She says, you're you're copping out. As a cop out,
she said.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I picked my bad. Sometimes I have to defer to management.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
No, that's fair enough. Hey, Gareth, I saw Rachel Reeves
crying in the House of Commons in Parliament and I
feel incredibly sorry for her. She's in a difficult position
and she's trying so hard not to cry. But I
want women in big positions like that to stop crying
in public. What do you think?

Speaker 16 (56:53):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (56:53):
I saw the video too, and it was kind of heartbreaking.
She looked so tired and so exhausted. She's clearly been
through a lot with this massive, contentious bills that's gone through.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
But look, we've got so.

Speaker 18 (57:03):
Much worse in our parliament or when you go to Westminster.
I'd much rather someone was a true person. And you
know sheard some emotion rather than yelling or insulting. If
people haven't seen the footage, you know this is kind
of a zoomed and image of her standing behind Starma
giving a speech. It's not like she was giving a
speech on the state of the British economy. You know,
she had to express confidence and know and the important

(57:25):
thing private issue.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
The important thing, Gareth is that she's sitting there having
done all his dirty work for him, while he is
basically making it clear that he might fire her. Right,
so you can understand why she wants to cry. But
I don't think women should cry in public. We should
take it, take it away and do it privately, don't
you think.

Speaker 18 (57:44):
I think it would be better if some men politicians
actually expressed their emotions and sometimes place where everyone's welcome.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Okay, okay, what do you think, Jordan?

Speaker 4 (57:56):
I keen to believe that in the stuff upper lip,
But that's naive, you know, but we often forget that
politicians are human. And I much to the left wing
twitter back then or the spin offs delight, I once
cried in court and I deeply embarrassed, but it was

(58:18):
human and politicians are human too. I think that it is.
I don't think that it is a weakness or anything.
At least its sort of over the top. And I
know we live in a world now where everything's overly
emotional and catastrophized and over the top and we send
to encourage emotions, but I actually think that was the
case here. This this politician, you know, her whole life

(58:40):
has been leading up to this moment and she's failing,
and she's so clearly she's failing in front of the
whole of Britain.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Well and now because she cried in front of them,
they absolutely know it. But I appreciate your views on it.
Will take a break come back quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary
results with un parallel reach.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Back on the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes. Jordan,
are you impressed with the law and order announcements from
the government this week?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, I was when I saw it, but when I
dig into the detail and I had a quick chat
to the sensubl Sentencing Trust people and they're really unimpressed,
particularly the coward punch announcement. It's actually a bit of
a scam because at the moment that's often very occasionally
charges murder, but usually charged with manslaughter, which this is

(59:30):
just going to replace. And it doesn't have a minimum sentence,
unlike Australia, where a lot of states have put in
coward punch legislation. In fact one, I understand a minimum
of eight years, so really saying that we're taking this seriously.
In New Zealand under this, it's going to be no different.
We get home detention or if it's a really bad case,
three or four years. So it's a little bit of

(59:52):
window dressing. They might be being a little bit hard.
Simply a government talking about law and order and saying
we getting tough does actually have a detrimental effect. It's
probably why when some states in the US have three
strikes legislation, it's not just that state, it's actually neighboring states.
It's been shown it reduces crime. Simply getting the message

(01:00:15):
that the new sheriff in town sues the pun is
actually does appear to make a difference. So maybe the
jawboning to talk down crime, But in terms of the
actual senen thing, some of these things are pretty hollow.

Speaker 18 (01:00:26):
What do you think, Garrett, Yeah, I agree with Jordan.
Might be the first time ever this is you know,
I think a case these series of announcement long on
public relations, but very short on evidence or any proof
how these are going to be effective at all. You
know they're trying to I think they're on the politically
on the back foot where you know that you know,
crime is the fifth highest issue on the IPSOS issue

(01:00:48):
of issues that matter to Kiwis at the moment, whether
on the back foot when the police had a memoy
this year saying that shoplifting wasn't going to be investigated.
You know, it's not coming down fast enough, and so
they're going for the simplest, quickest policies that get a
headline rather than really address the root issues or even
some of the systemic issues that we know are causing

(01:01:10):
these issues. What they're trying to demonstrate is what Jordan's
saying through this flurry of releases, that they're really focused
on crime. And that's I think the lesson the left
ship pick up too. They don't want to look like
they're not focused on crime because ultimately it's many of
the lowest paid, the most vulnerable our society who are
the victims of that crime itself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah too. Right now, Jordan, there is a called out
of Victoria apropos. What's going on with these guys in
the child care center? To ban men from childcare centers
all together?

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
What do you think I've quite shocked about how wide
spread in some of these horrendous cases in Australia.

Speaker 13 (01:01:44):
I didn't quite.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
I hadn't realized it was quite that bad. But I mean,
the owners of the owner of our child my two
year olds child centers a bloke. I think it's quite
good to have men in these child care centers, especially
when we've got and it's just like there's very few
male school teachers at primary schools in a society where

(01:02:07):
there's a lot of absent dads and a lot of
single parent families with dad not in the household. I
think it's a great shame and the idea of banning
men from being able to work at childcare centers I
think is pretty poor. You know, yeah, I do like
cast Everyone shouldn't be painted with that, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Yeah, totally. What do you say, Gareth, Well, if.

Speaker 18 (01:02:29):
We're going to ban them from child care centers, probably
working in churches and movie productions and lawyers offices and
other powerful positions. I mean, look, this is a really
horrific case. And I understand this guy worked at twenty
different centers in the last eight years. I don't even
know how this is possible in twenty twenty five. I
was a trainee high school teacher about twenty years ago,

(01:02:50):
and back then it was drummed into us, you know,
not being in a room with that was a teenager,
let alone, you know, a child by yourself. So something's
horribly broken down with the rules and the processes. But
I agree with Jordan, we probably it might not feel
that weird to be saying now, but we probably need
more men working in childcare. Census, we've got one of
the lowest rates in the world. It's about one point

(01:03:13):
eight percent a male. So we see young kids missing
out on rail male role models. You know, the different
types of strengths that men bring to these roles. But
we've kind of made sure we've got these good protections
in place so it can never ever happen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Yeah, too right, Thank you so much. Guys appreciated Jordan Williams,
Gareth hu'ser Hudle. Gareth makes an excellent point. How could
it if you think how kind your day care works nowadays,
how on earth could that even happen?

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
If somebody was away with kid for an extended period
of time, surely people would flag things, wouldn't they. There's
something has gone wrong with the guy in Victoria. Eight
away from six, it's.

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Normally he is on half past six, but he will
be on about quarter past six or thereabouts and talk
us through it. Five away from six, Heather on the

(01:04:18):
passenger pairing, passenger parenting. Let's be real. Women are positioned
by society as the key parent father secondary, so fathers
have society place them as number two. Blah blah blah.
Happens when parents separate and so on. We fixed the
passenger parenting actually in our relationship. So we got into
a bit of a cycle with the passenger parenting with
baby number one. And I'm not sure whether it was

(01:04:39):
because he is it's probably just our personalities. He's quite relaxed.
This is the father it's quite relaxed. He's chill, he
doesn't like he's not a big tidy upper around the house,
do you know what I mean? Whereas I'm kind of
like got to tidy up to do everything. And so
I just kind of carried that right into the parenting
as well. And so my overbearing do everything personality made

(01:05:00):
me do everything, and so he just like naturally took
advantage of it and relaxed, and so we got into
the cycle of the passenger parenting, who I was doing
everything and he wasn't, and I was getting quite resentful
about it. So what we decided was with baby number two,
we were going to fix it. So what we've done
is I did baby. I did three months maternity leave,
and he's currently on three months paternity leave, and he
has taken over being that baby's primary parent. I stopped

(01:05:23):
breastfeeding overnight and basically stopped, you know, like this one
breastfeeder day or whatever. It's nothing much. So he does
all the bottles, he changes her, he bathes her, he
looks after her, takes her full walks, make sure she's
getting the right naps. It's with a bit of help
for me. He's getting into the solids with her, and
so basically he is her mum. And what we've decided

(01:05:45):
is that even when he comes back to work, he
will be her mum. She is his baby. And this
is our way of kind of trying to like equal
it out right. So, you know, hopefully fingers crossed it last.
But it seems to have been a reasonably good way of,
you know, disrupting that's not available to every family out there,
the ability to do that because a lot, a lot

(01:06:06):
of the time, you know, dads will earn more than
mums and they have to go back to work and
do the full time job. That's different for us. So
we have the ability. But anyway, there is hope out there,
mums and dads, there is hope out that you can
find a way through it. Fingers crossed for you. Now,
I need to, oh, Joan Withers legiond he like, what

(01:06:26):
a legion. We've been talking about women who cry and
all that, and by the way, I do have to
talk about justin to another woman who cries multiple times
through the book, but I also need to talk about
Joan Withers doesn't strike me as a woman who cry
in public. She said something cool talk about that in
a minute. But next up, let's talk to Land corpor
find out what's going wrong there, news talks, there.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
Being coming back, yea believe babies.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Something's telling me the same over it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
Nooy was a last night, anoy was a last name.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Twas fu Bod's down? What were the major cause and
how will it affect the economy? The big business questions
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mas
Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future us
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Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Evening. Coming up in the next hour the Sassy Apple.
Have you heard of this? This thing is taking off globally.
Jamie mckaye will explain. Sam Dickey will explain what stable
coins are. And Ender Brady on the reaction in the
UK to Rachel Reeve's crying in public in Parliament. Seven
past six now the Government zeroing in on land Corp
as an example of state owned enterprises that are underperforming.

(01:07:41):
It singled out a number of sos that it says
has performed poorly. This is Treasury over the last five
years and the worst performers are New Zealand Post met Service,
Cordier and Landcorp. LANDCRP was also criticized for the big
pay package of its chief executive. The CEE couldn't come
on the show tonight, but we have Will Burrett, the
chief operating officer of Land Corp.

Speaker 19 (01:08:02):
Hi, Will good here, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Thank you. Do you think that CEO pay or CE
pay should go up when profits fall as dramatically as
your profit has?

Speaker 19 (01:08:14):
I Look, I'm not here to talk about my boss
as a salary, but.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Let's say, any old, any old s OE. Should the
performance of the ce be tied to the performance of
the of the s OE?

Speaker 19 (01:08:28):
Well, look, I think that's that's for a matter of
the board to work with a CE. I'm here to
talk about our performance and where we're heading moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Well, tell me about your performance, good or bad.

Speaker 19 (01:08:39):
Look, we've been on a journey to be honest hither
and that's pretty cliche, but you know, I'm really proud
of the last date en months and where the business
has just laser focused on on core business principles of animals, pasture, wastage,
and and internal optimizations. So you know, we've we've we've
come a long way. We've focused on structure, on our systems,

(01:09:01):
and a performance culture that I think we're already starting
to embed some really good things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
And if you focused on doing your business properly, what
have you got rid of? There wasn't part of that?

Speaker 19 (01:09:12):
I think just noise, you know, I think we have Well, look,
we've we've gone back to basics. If I'm honest, you
know that we're not the only agricultural entity over the
last wee while it's had to reset itself, focused capital
allocation back to the core, strip away some noise from
the business and a focus. Well look it's it's actually

(01:09:34):
just focusing on the core principles of farming. So going
back to basics, making.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Sure where have you stripped away?

Speaker 19 (01:09:42):
Well, look, we've focused on putting capital back into the business, Heather,
and not.

Speaker 13 (01:09:46):
Told you not?

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Has somebody told you not to give specifics?

Speaker 19 (01:09:50):
No, not at all?

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
Do you not know what?

Speaker 19 (01:09:54):
Yeah, we have stripped away noise.

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
So and what is I'm just going to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Try one more time and then I'm going to give up.
What is that? Always?

Speaker 19 (01:10:01):
But we've we've focused capital back into behind farm gate
rather than post farm gate. So we've we've reduced you know,
Palmu food, that's that's been consolidated down in where we
are driving you know, the other areas of those post
farm gate investments harder. But then behind farm Gate, which
is the bulk of the investment in the asset across

(01:10:23):
the two billion assets were focused on driving physical performance
which we can control and we can control costs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Do you still milk deer?

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Yes? We do?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Is that a good idea?

Speaker 19 (01:10:37):
I'll look, that's something that you know, you ask around
the purpose of PAMU and we are here to try
and challenge some things.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
See the problem though, isn't it will because a normal
father farmer is not going to fat around milking deer,
are they? They're just going to get on doing sheep
and beef and dairy and and do you think maybe
is that part of the problem that what we think
you are is the government's farmers. But were you think
you are as experimenting.

Speaker 19 (01:11:03):
We've got to put a percentage of the asset that
we've got into things that are going to trial and
test system designs and potentially new horizons for that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Are you forced through through legislation to do that?

Speaker 19 (01:11:16):
We are forced to make sure that we're driving a
return and that's what we're focusing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
No, no, no, no, Well, are you forced through legislation or
through regulation or through any kind of rule to put
a percentage of what you are doing into you know, experimenting.

Speaker 19 (01:11:31):
I'd say, we are trying to help the industry and
seeking out you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Okay, that's right from these things, So you're just doing
that wacky stuff of your own. Bat Now, we had
we had Grant mccallumon, who you'll be aware of as
a farmer himself, but also National Party MP. So let's
be honest, right, he's got some skin in the game
here that they're obviously lining you people up to sell
you down. So he's doing he's doing the government's job here,
but he reckons that you guys should be providing a

(01:11:57):
net operating profit of maybe minimum one hundred MILLI, but
you know, closer to two hundred million, and it's only
twenty mil So how how do you explain that?

Speaker 19 (01:12:07):
All we've we've positioned a record profit coming out this
financial year of between forty one and fifty one million.
That'll be firmed up and later later of August, I
think late August will be confirming that. And then we've
we've got an sci that we were or a statement
of corporate intent, which is effectively our budget either over
the next three years. That we'll be landing with the

(01:12:27):
Minister later on this month, so that paint paints the pathway,
and that pathway speaks directly to our focus back on
the core business. So you know, I'll probably let those
numbers speak to themselves when they come out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Okay, well, thank you, appreciate your time. That's Will Burrett,
the Chief operating Officer of Land Corp. Nine two nine
two standard text fees apply, and we will talk to
Jamie McKay because one hundred percent he will have some
opinions on this when we talk to him. To Happy News,
let's talk about Joan Withers. So Joan Withers is given

(01:13:03):
an interview today and just on a whole bunch of stuff,
because of course she's a legend. She's been in the
she's with the Warehouse Group, director at A and Z
New Zealand, sky TV, Origin Energy, previously Mercury, Auckland International Airport, TVANZED, Meridian,
Fairfax Radio Network, you name it, she's been there. She
was talking this is the thing that caught my attention,

(01:13:23):
talking about climate related disclosure requirements. She says, don't talk
to me about climate reporting. This is what's required of businesses.
Don't talk to me about climate reporting. It is taking
up more director's time than financial statements at the moment.
That's no exaggeration. That's wacky, isn't it when your climate
disclosures take more time than your financial disclosures. I'm just

(01:13:45):
looking at my board schedules. We've got a dedicated environmental
and sustainability committee at the warehouse, and I've got three
meetings coming up specifically on climate transition plans at Origin.
I think our first report was ninety one pages, and
the amount of scrutiny that has to go into those
criminal sanctions pertend for directors here, and not one iota
of emissions reduces as a result of all of that work,

(01:14:05):
which is a fair point. Are you're putting in all
that effort just to basically say this is what's going on.
You're not actually helping the environment, You're just talking about
the environment. She says. If you think that this is greenwashing, right,
if you're like, well, the climate related disclosures just green washing,
make you look good, she's actually having the opposite effect
because directors are so cautious now that they are setting

(01:14:26):
their targets low, so they can be absolutely sure that
they're striking their targets instead of actually trying a little
bit harder. So it's backfiring. Fourteen past six, It's the
Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my
Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi. Here the clearly
of the Land Corp executive pay rates tied to how

(01:14:46):
much corporate speak they can spin. Hither, that was the
best interview, Heather. That was a terrible interview. Cliches, a
vase of not a layman word than there to describe
Lang Corp's position. Here, the great interview with Lang Corp. Bloke,
Thank you, Ben, Hither, that was nasty, poor well, thank
you Mark. Heather, has Mark Robinson moved into farming? Because
this guy sounds just like him. I don't think that's
a compliment, Heather. That was painful. Does that guy have

(01:15:07):
any experience in farming? I don't know, Steve, I don't
know that. Do we know anything after that? I don't
think we do. Do We We know nothing. The only
thing we do know, though I do feel quite confident
about this, we do know that there is no rule
forcing Lang Corp to put money into wacky ideas. They're
just doing it because it's fun for them. So you're
welcome for the money I suppose from the taxpayers. Eighteen

(01:15:29):
past six. Now it's talk about master Card. Master Card
has got a bit of a disruptor coming at it
stable coins. They've been touted as a big way or
rather away around the big credit card companies. And Sam
Dicky from Fisher Funds is with us Ello, Sam good
eating Heather, Okay, talk to me about MasterCard. Why are
they so profitable?

Speaker 20 (01:15:46):
Well, they're the ultimate them and visa at the ultimate
toll road. So they operate a sort of an invisible
series of pipes or highways that connect three and a
half billion credit cards, tohundred and fifty million shops or
merchants across more than two hundred and ten countries. So
they don't lend money or take credit risk. They simply

(01:16:07):
charge a toll will fee every time money moves across
their invisible pipes. And they've got a super wide mote
because switching costs are brutal, so banks can't switch payment
networks without rebuilding entire infrastructures and reissuing millions of credit cards.
Plus master Card has that ultimate sort of self reinforcing
network effect mote. So every time a new shop down

(01:16:29):
the road from you here there is added to that network.
Makes a network more valuable to you as a cardholder.
And every time you know, I'm added as a new cardholder,
that makes it more valuable to that shop down the road.
So it's been said historically it's easier to move a
mountain than to displace a payment network.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Interesting, So then what what are stable coins and how
do they threaten this?

Speaker 20 (01:16:50):
Yeah, so they're digitally they're like digital dollars on steroids.
So they are cryptocurrencies peaked one to one to a
major currency like the USD. So issue is a usually
non government organizations, and the biggest in the world is
Tether for example. So the Tether stable coin basically digital
cash that moves at Internet speed without needing banks or

(01:17:11):
card networks. So this threat that you're talking about read
its head because two things happened very recently in the
last week or so. The first one is Amazon Walmart,
So the two biggest retailers in the world are allegedly
looking at issuing their own stable coins like Tether, so
they've got the market hopping. In the second one was
the Genius Act, great name for an act is halfway

(01:17:35):
through the legislature lative process in the US, so that
act creates the first federal framework for regulating stable coins.
And if you think about it as a user or consumer,
that would give you more confidence to use stable coins.
And while MasterCard charges merchants a few percent per transaction,
so say you know, I buy one hundred dollars pair

(01:17:55):
of sunglasses from a merchant, they would charge that merchant
three dollars, so the merchant we don't even get sort
of ninety seven dollars. Stable coins can process payments for
less than point one of a percent, So on the
face of it, the barbarians are at the gate. But
I would just say not so fast, because merchants may
want to not pay this two or three dollars and

(01:18:17):
bypass the credit card networks. But the lack of incentive
for you and I to widely use stable coins might
slow things down. So there's no rewards program for us
unlike the credit cards, and stable coins can't pay interest
on cash out unlike savings accounts. And even in a
worst case scenario, this would only impact ten to twenty
percent of master Cards business because stable coins are like

(01:18:38):
a debit card, you need the funds in the account
that they have no credit card capability.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Okay, so what does this mean for investors? Do you think?

Speaker 20 (01:18:47):
I just think it's a stark reminder that even companies
with the widest modes so that those brutal switching costs
and that self reinforcing network effect are going to be
tested in the future. Give the pace technology and of
course AI is moving that. So investors just need to
be more bit vigilant than ever and a little more
nimble perhaps may have been the past.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Sam, it's good to talk to you. Thank you. I
really appreciated that, Sam Dickey. Fascinating stuff of Fisher funds
really quickly on Tesla. Tesla has reported another slump and
global sales another one, this time thirteen point five percent decline.
This is the second quarter, so they delivered in the
second quarter three hundred and eighty four thousand cars. Compare
that to the same period last year four hundred and

(01:19:32):
forty four thousand, so it's a reasonable Well, what is
that that's a sixty sixty thousand vehicles drop off? Right?
Four out of the last six quarters for them have
been negative they're not even touching the size if you
have a look at the sales, not even touching the
sides of what was going on in twenty twenty three.
And unfortunately for them, it's not looking that great into
the future either because of the big beautiful bell which

(01:19:53):
is going to end the EV tax credit in the
States six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
If it's to do with money matters to you, the
business hour where the head duperic Ellen and mares insurance
and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future news talks,
that'd be heather.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
When I worked at the met Service, all the manager's
got a bonus and then the next day the car
park was full of brand new cars, and that showed
how much cash sloshes around the top of Soez. They
look after themselves, not New Zealand what are they getting
a bonus for at the met service for? Do you think, like,
what did they do right? They get the weather right,
that's their job, So what did they do right? How

(01:20:31):
can I just don't I don't even I don't even
get it. I don't. I just don't even understand. And
if I try to understand too much, it just makes
me too cross about what happens with our money six
twenty six. Now listen, this is the biggest entertainment news
one hundred percent of the day. Sean Diddy Combs Akap
Diddy aka Puff Daddy. He's been at the center of
a major sex trafficking and racketeering and prostitution trial over

(01:20:52):
the last few months that you will have been seeing
in the papers. Jury finally came back today with their
verdict being found not guilty on his most serious offenses,
only guilty verdict on two charges of transportation to engage
in prostitution. This is Diddy's lawyer outside court today.

Speaker 7 (01:21:07):
It's a great victory.

Speaker 21 (01:21:08):
It's a great victory for Sean Colms, It's a great
victory for the jury system.

Speaker 7 (01:21:13):
You saw that the.

Speaker 21 (01:21:14):
Southern District of New York prosecutors came at him with
all that they had. They're not stopping. But one thing
stands between all of us and a prison, and that
is a jury of twelve citizen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Now obviously most notable as a rat producer because he
found bad Boy Records in nineteen ninety three and without
him we would never have heard the voices of Mary J.
Blige and Usher and Justin Bieber, and they are all great.
Also one of the world's richest musicians are music artists,
topping Forbes's Hip Hop Richless twice. What happened is his
Florida mansion was rated in March last year. Police found,

(01:21:50):
amongst other things, parts of AAR fifteen rifles, numerous narcotics,
over one thousand bottles of baby oil. Gross fun fact.
His lawyer name is Mark I'm just gonna say this phonetically,
Mark agne Filo. He's married to Karen agne Filo. Happens

(01:22:11):
to be defending Luigi MANGIONI. You know what I'm talking about,
the one who shot the healthcare guy dead on New
York Street. So there's a there's a legal power couple
for you if you've ever heard of one. Headlines Next,
and then let's have a chat to Jamie McKay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather d
for Ce Ellen with the business hour and mas insurance
and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
These talks that'd.

Speaker 9 (01:22:43):
Be word.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
We have got into Brady with us in ten minutes.
I'm going to talk to him about Rachel Reeves crying
in public. Unfortunately, the pound hammering after a bunch of
market reactions. Essentially, what happened was that because she was
crying in parliament, everybody put everybody deduced that the reason
she was crying was because she's going to get the sack,
and that became obvious to her when she was sitting
behind kir Starmer talking about her. She realized she's going

(01:23:14):
to get the sack, in which case Hope comes in
next do they have the same approach? And then the
market moved as a result of that, so Indo Brady
with us shortly on. That got some good news and
some bad news about the government's books. Taxes come because
we've had a look at it in the eleven months
to whatever now, taxes come in higher than expected. It's
six hundred and sixteen million dollars more than the budget

(01:23:35):
had predicted. But government expenses also came in higher than
expected two hundred and two hundred and eighty eight million
dollars higher. Deficit is two hundred and two million dollars
less than predicted. So it's sitting just under twelve point
three bill. But the problem is net call crown debt.
Oh actually no, this is this is the good net
core crown debt just over one hundred and eighty billion. Again,

(01:23:58):
that's lower than forecus by one hundred and twenty million.
Here's the trouble. At the moment, we are headed for
a deficit of about fourteen billion for this full year.
If we do hit the fourteen billion for this full year,
it's higher than any deficit that we've ever run except
for the twenty three billion dollar deficit that we recorded
in the year to June twenty twenty, and that was
because of COVID. Other than that, other than the year

(01:24:20):
of COVID, no other deficit has been as big as this.
Twenty three Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health home of Selvex
and plus b ends it's only salmonella vaccine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Jamie McKay, hosts of the Countries of the Fellow Jamie.

Speaker 22 (01:24:35):
Hello, Heather, I don't think you'd catch Nicola Willis bawling,
would she?

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Nah? I don't think so. No, I think, And you've
just struck on something there that we've been discussing in
the shows. Takes a certain woman to cry, I think.
But listen, tell me why. What's your understanding of why
Land Corp? Gets into funny things like milking deer Are
there rules that force them to do that or do
they just do it because I think it's a fun idea.

Speaker 22 (01:24:58):
No, I think they've kind of got a mandate. And
I don't know if this is a written mandate or
in legislation to be a bit of a guinea pig
for farming for the nation. And they are doing some
good stuff, they're probably doing some stuff I disagree with.
And I think my good friend Grant McCallum, Laura told
me he's suggesting they should be having a profit at

(01:25:19):
two hundred million, which is what ten percent of a
ten percent return on their asset value of I think
nearly two billion. I think Grant might be being a
wee bit tough on them there, simply because there would
be a number of farming benches. In fact, not many
would make a ten percent return on capital invested.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
What is a standard return, let's say on assets?

Speaker 22 (01:25:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
A return on assets? What would be standard?

Speaker 5 (01:25:42):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (01:25:42):
Look, I mean she's five or six percent. I would
say if you could do that in farming, you would
be doing pretty well. I mean you might get that
in a dairy farming operation. The kiwi fruit might be
a bit higher, but sheep and beef traditionally have been
lower than that, at like two or three percent. But
Palmu or land Corp, I get confused what they call

(01:26:02):
themselves these days way below that, and there is a
question on whether they're relevant and whether they're a good
use of our tax payer money. But there is an
issue with selling them. Of course, if we did sell Palmu,
it would effectively flood the landmarket and probably make farmers
across the board properties less. But certainly at the moment

(01:26:24):
they would argue they're having a year this year, but
I would question their farming profitability and whether during these
tough times, and I just heard you talking about deficits
and what have you, whether the government needs to be
in the business of farming, because let's face it, the
government isn't as good at doing business as private enterprise.

(01:26:44):
So ultimately I don't think we should be in the
business of land Corp or Parmu. Remember it was lands
and surveys back in the days, and they used to
settle young farmers on ballot blocks. Maybe they need to
go back to something like that. I don't know, but
even that is effectively a subsidy for the farmers who
were settled.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
You worried about the dairy price.

Speaker 22 (01:27:09):
I've got to weave it of skin in the game myself,
and you know, like commodity prices are always cyclical, and
ten dollars where we are at the moment and where
we will finish up for this season when they finally
announce it in September, it'll be ten dollars. It might
even be a weeed, but more is a really good price.
And I just think you can't defy gravity forever. I'm

(01:27:29):
involved in a dairy farming partnership and I know that
we fixed a thirty percent of our milk at nine
point fifty and I was happy with that. So I'm
I'm a big fan, Heather of taking the taking the
things you can't control into your own control, eye fixing

(01:27:50):
milk price and fixing interest rates, because it cuts out
a couple of the things you can't control, because you
can't control international commodity prices and you can't control the
when you're farming. So look, I did hear expert comments
commentary yesterday from someone on ENZX saying, no, this is
just a bit of a blippe. It's this time of
the year when there's a lot of milk coming on

(01:28:12):
in the Northern Hemisphere and there and Fonterra. I spoke
to Anna Pellare, the chief operating officer on yesterday's show,
and she said to me, no, we're still good with
ten bucks. So they probably know more about it than me.
But you know, a bird in the hands worth two
in the bush.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Jamie, good to talk to you. Look after yourself, Jamie McKay,
Host of the Country. Look, I'll just talk you through
return on assets right so at the moment, the return
on asset that you would get this is basically what
we were just talking about, Jamie. And know how much money,
how much money these guys make, given that they've got
twelve assets of two billion dollars as Land Corp Standard
return in the good years, a return on assets for

(01:28:51):
a dairy farm would be six to eight percent. Some
say they can get it up to twelve percent, but
let's just let's be conservative and be fair. So you're
looking at six to eight percent, and this is in
the good years, and we are in the good years
right now, right and sheep and beef farms you should
be in the good years doing about five percent, So deary,
and remember Land Corp's doing all of this right. So
sheep and beef good Year you should be getting about

(01:29:12):
five percent, dairy you should be getting about eight percent.
Land Corp Is getting about three percent. So they are
quite obviously underperforming and can do better. How much better,
I don't know. Probably don't hold out hope for the loot.
I think eighteen away from seven. Together, Brady, shortly, I
need to talk about Ian Taylor's letter, so this has

(01:29:34):
been a bit of a talking point. Ian Taylor, Sir
Ian Taylor has written an open letter to Justinder title
published in the paper's title, Dear Justinder, this is the
most difficult letter I have written to you. Very over
sold on the headline. I read the headline, I thought,
here we go, clicked on it. Not not even that harsh.
I've been harsher. You know that this was about reckon.

(01:29:56):
Ian's about six out of ten in this one. Basically
what's happened? And Desien was at the airport. I think
it was Duebai. He saw her book. He thought, yeah,
I might buy it. And I think he's not clear
as to whether he did buy it or not. He
left us guessing, but I think he did. And then
he basically writes this letter to her about how disappointed
he is in her. He was stoked at the start
when we had the he jarb and we had the

(01:30:18):
first lockdown and the closing of the boarders in kindness, kindness, kindness.
He loved it, loved all of that stuff. But now
he's just gutted, he says, I realize this wasn't leadership anymore.
It was brand management. The turning point came for me
on the day that you featured on the cover of
the New Zealand Women's Weekly in designer clothes, smiling, styled
and celebrated. On that same day, I received a heart

(01:30:40):
wrenching email from a father who had yet to meet
his seven month old son, presumably kept out by the
locked borders, and he goes on to express some more
of his disappointment. His best point, I think, is this
one reports say that you received over a million dollars
in advance for your memoir a different kind of power.
It's a striking figure, especially for someone who once made
child poverty her personal mission. Fair point, I think, probably

(01:31:03):
a point many of us have thought about. You know,
you know, care so deeply about people not being poor,
but then happy to sort of like nap off, go
to another country and take huge megabucks. What are you
doing with it? Putting it into child property? Probably not,
It's okay. It's nothing that you or I haven't said
or perhaps heard. Maybe it's a surprise to people coming
from cer Ian Taller because he's actually a very gentle man.

(01:31:25):
So maybe that's it. But anyway, you can go read
it if you want to. It's going to confirm a
lot of your stuff, but you've probably said harsher things.
I think sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all
on the business hours with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mars
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Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Did you see that DEAs Gorman passed away yesterday? It's
very sad to see that, Ian, Yes, I did, thank you,
and I did actually hear it. I heard Mike Hosking
mention it this morning. I am so sorry to see
that des Gorman has passed away. He was wonderful, very
generous with this time, always happy to take a phone
call to talk through things that he was an expert in.
And I wasn't had a wonderful sense of humor and

(01:32:06):
had unfortunately been ill, and it had been open about
it for some time. And it also owed me a lunch.
I want to bet with him. He owed me a lunch,
and I am just so sad. Do you know what.
It's one of those things where when you should do
the things that you mean to do and not leave
them because we didn't have it was supposed to be
at Solba and we didn't do it, and now I

(01:32:27):
will not have the chance to do it, and for
that I have massive regret. So thank you for sending
me that text. I really appreciate it. Ian thirteen away
from seven end of Brady Are UK correspondence with us.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Hello and hey Heather, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I'm well? Thank you? So she gets so Rachel reeves.
Despite the fact that the Prime Minister was not giving
express and confidence in her in the house, he has
now subsequently said she will keep her job.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
Right.

Speaker 23 (01:32:53):
Yes, he's come out in an interview. It's going to
be broadcast tomorrow to mark one year of Starmer in
power and apparently it's all over the radio this morning
here he has said she will remain his chancellor for
this term and if they win the next election, she
will still be Chancellor by his side. So she is
the most important person in the UK government after the

(01:33:14):
Prime Minister. And a lot of people speculating that the
reason she was crying is that Kier Starmer is about
the sacker. He has come out now and made it
clear he is not getting rid of Rachel Reeves.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Did you interpret what he said in the House as
not expressing confidence in.

Speaker 23 (01:33:30):
Her, No, not at all. Look, they've had a rocky
week and a lot of the newspapers, completely conservative right
wing newspapers, have been ripping into Starmer over the climbdown
on the welfare reforms. They've now got a black hole
in the public finances. What he should have said yesterday
was the reason there's a black hole to begin with

(01:33:50):
is because of the incompetence of the previous shower. He
didn't say that, and I think a lot of people
were reading into it that this is him kind of
passing the book onto her for all of the problems
they've had this week. But clearly from what we're hearing
in Westminster, there is an issue in her private life
and that will remain private, but it all got a
bit too much for Rachel Reeves yesterday and she cracked.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Good, how bad did you feel for her? Trying so
hard not to cry and Anna completely unable to stop herself.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
I felt very.

Speaker 23 (01:34:22):
Sorry for her, and I think politics is a brutal business.
It can be very lonely. And she's sitting there. This
is all on all the news channels every Wednesday, Prime
Minister's Questions a streamed live. Everyone's watching it. I genuinely
felt very very sorry for her, because you can't get
up and leave.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
You're in Parliament.

Speaker 23 (01:34:39):
It's live on TV and she sat there and you
know all the people gloating online. I think it's a
tough gig. I think she's making brave decisions and for
a woman, I actually think she will come out of this.
The public now perhaps might have some more appreciation for
how hard she's working, the pressure she's under. And I'll
tell you what I think quite strongly about this, Rachel.

(01:35:02):
The nine point two million people in Britain who do
not work, are not in education, not in training, doing
nothing and spending their time on Facebook and Twitter and
making her life hell. They're the ones who should be
feeling shame today, not Rachel reeves too.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Right, too rite, get them off the couches and now
Lucy Lippy is she going to be charged with more offenses?

Speaker 23 (01:35:23):
So she's back on the front pages today. For anyone
who's not followed this, she is the baby killer nurse
convicted of murdering seven infants and the attempted murder of
seven others. She's serving fourteen whole life terms, which means
she will die in prison. She will serve every day
of her life in prison. Detectives have been looking at
her activity in other hospitals and they've now passed a

(01:35:46):
file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service to decide
whether or not more charges are merited. Turns out that
when she was a much younger nurse before the killings
started in twenty fifteen, she was at Liverpool Women's Hospital
and on forty percent of her shifts there were baby collapses.
So it's clear detectives have gone away and started speaking

(01:36:09):
to people there as well. So the file is now
with the CPS. We wait and see what they say.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Good stuff and I really appreciated look after yourself mate.
That's end of Brady UK correspondents. Hey really excited about something.
Just want to say quick shout out to the second
time I think that I'm mentioning him on the show. JK.
John Kerwin so excited about John Kerwin's surf park. I've
already decided it's only going to be it's like two
and a half years before that thing is ready. They're

(01:36:36):
building the fight. The reason it's in the news today
is because they're building five hundred houses with it, as
well as the surf park, and then all the data
center and all that kind of stuff, which is very cool. Anyway,
it's only going to open in late twenty twenty seven. Oh,
I'm already ready. I am ready for it. Thirty minute
Drop mapped it out thirty minutes from Auckland Central to
Dairy Flat. I'll be there. I've worked out how old

(01:36:56):
the eldest is going to be by that stage. I
reckon he's old enough to get him on a surfboard
and give it a bit of a hoon. So don't
let me down, JK. Do it on time. I'm looking
forward to it. Ate away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
It's the heather too for See allan Drive full show
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Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Catherine Middleton, Princess of Wales has discussed a little bit
about her cancer treatment. She was I think she was
actually visiting a hospital in eastern England or something like that. Anyway,
she was talking to them about it and she said
it was a bit of a roller coaster. She said,
you put on and this is earlier what she'd said,
you put on a brave face stoicism through treatment, and

(01:37:36):
then treatment's done, then it's like I can crack on
and get back to normal. But actually the phrase afterwards
is really difficult, roller coaster, life changing, not one smooth plane.
Just as a point of difference, she just cracked on
with it. This is I mean, but this is the monarchy.
She's cracked on with it, didn't let any of her

(01:37:57):
emotions show. And then of course you've got Rachel Reeves
who did cry. Now I just want to be clear.
I feel very sorry for Rachel Reeves, but I still
don't think you should cry in public.

Speaker 24 (01:38:05):
Go as Okay, Miley Cyrus jaded to play us out tonight.
She is one of the thirty five people who's going
to be getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of
Fame next year. The whole list has just come out today,
so She's getting it in the music category, along with
Bone Thugs in Harmony and a whole bunch of names, Oh,
Josh Grobin and a whole bunch of names I don't recognize,
Shaquille O'Neill. He's going to be getting a star. And

(01:38:27):
on the movie side of things, Emily Blunt, Chris Columbus,
who directed the first two of Harry Potter movies, Keith David,
Demi Moore, Stanley Tucci, Sarah Michelle Jeller for the TV
who was Buffy the Vampire Slayers. So a few famous
names who are finally going to be getting their stars
on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
Who is this?

Speaker 24 (01:38:43):
Did you say, Miley Cyrus?

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Oh? I find it interesting that you had of that
whole list. I mean I would probably not have played
Josh Grobin, But what about Bone Thugs and you chose
Miley over there?

Speaker 11 (01:38:57):
Well?

Speaker 24 (01:38:57):
Yeah, to be fair, bone things and Harmony being nineties
hip hop, I'm more always like, oh, how hard how
are you? How long is it going to take me
to find a song without? As weard, the song does
have one word in it, but I listened to and
came swear word. There's an F word in it, but
it's been cut out in this version.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Okay, look, I think because there are children listening, I'm
going to give that to you, and that's fair enough.

Speaker 24 (01:39:16):
I'm not gonna I'm not going to looking ConTroll for
the BSA. If I don't have to, I will play.
I'll tell you what. I'll play a bone Thanks on
how many songs tomorrow after I've had more time to
check through the catalog for one that's going to be mate.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
You could definitely use your time, beaut don't you reckon?

Speaker 24 (01:39:27):
They're listening to bone Thanks?

Speaker 5 (01:39:28):
That harden me.

Speaker 24 (01:39:29):
I don't know if there I don't know if I could.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
No fear enough. Actually you can do that. And it's
also like that's a that's a recreational activity, that's extra curricular.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
You can definitely do that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Because I was worried for a second, I was worried
that it was Miley over bone things.

Speaker 24 (01:39:40):
And I will say, I do like this song, and
I think it's a good song, and I think she
deserves the stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:39:44):
I don't know why ants.

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Always does this to us the oppositely whatever, any things,
all right, trolling us see you tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:39:50):
Is on your body. I'll change my n I'm sorry
that YOURTI, your party. I'm sorry that Autil.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Hoorry what uje?

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
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