September 16, 2025 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Kiwiblog's David Farrar and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Māori Party president John Tamihere has backed up Tākuta Ferris, saying the substance of his controversial race comments is right.. and it's "wrong for other folk to politic in Maori seats". What do we make of this?
A new poll shows more Kiwi voters are blaming the current state of the economy on the current coalition Government. Should they be worried about this?
Do we care where our peaches come from?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Going away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
(00:03):
International Realty. Find your one of.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A kind on the Huddle of Us this evening we
have David Farraki we blog and Curiapolster and Ali Jones
have read pr Hello you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Two, Hello Hi Hena David.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What is going on here? Are they playing chippy or
is there true disagreement within the party.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Oh, there's no doubt there's true disagreement. And look, I've
been thinking Brad about this, and I actually get quite
angry because what people forget when these people say if
you're not Mari, you can't get involved in the selection.
The MP for Tammocky Makru isn't just a social worker
(00:40):
for their consitions. They vote in parliament on the lords
of New Zealand. We're not immune from that. To really,
what Tama here in Paris are saying is that if
you're the wrong race, you don't get to have a say.
And who goes into parliament.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Who decides the laws. And that's just absolutely outrageous. I said,
of a local advocate role, you could well make that case,
but you cannot tell New Zealand citizens that they have
no right to have a view or to get involved
with a party's campaign for a season the New Zealan Parliament.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, fair point, Alie. What do you think.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think gosh, it was
great listening to mister flavel went. Actually hears some articulate conciliatory. Well,
you know, I do wonder because we're seeing it in
the Greens, We're seeing it in some of the labor
as well. It's becoming more activist. And you know, he
talked about the old sucker puppa and I do wonder
(01:38):
about that. But the thing here is that Mary seats
are there to ensure a Mary voice in parliament, right,
that's one argument. So then it comes down to can
a non Mary candidate bear voice for Mary in parliament?
And we heard in your interview that they can. And
I think if you start David's right, if you start
saying you cannot run for parliament because you are not
(01:58):
of this ethnicity or the race, that is undemocratic. And
I think that's the line that some of the people
in the Maori Party are are walking.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
David, just explain to me why you're so convinced that
there is disagreement within the party.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
There's a couple of reasons. The first is they've just
sacked their whip. You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That just doesn't happen without some significant ructions within the party.
The second is you've actually had the MP have the
leaders apologize for them, double down with an eight minute
the Farnt video, and also interestingly say basically, well they're
not in charge of me. We're all equal on this party. Now.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Now let me tell you. If you're a national web
be with your keepers drystuff, and you said you're not
the bottom me, John, we're all equal, well you probably
would be a national WebP for very long. So what
we've seen is a symptom, but there's obviously deeper eruptions
are then this is not perhaps surprising because it's how
(03:02):
he says. They're more a party of active us very
good generating anger, but not a party what discipline. What Hey,
we're here to improve laws to see what policy gains
we can get.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, fairpoint. Actually they don't even know how parliament actually works.
All right, we'll take a break with you to come
back very shortly talk about where the National and the
Act in New Zealand. First, should be worried about that poll.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Global
Leader and Luxury real Estate.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Back of the Huddle Allie Jones and David Farrett. Now, Ali,
what do you think should National Act New Zealand first
be worried that they're copying the lion's share of the
blame for the economy, plus so much of it from
their own voters.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Absolutely, they should, you know, I think this is more
David's area. One thing I was interested in those figures though,
is was there a breakdown geographically? And I've said on
your show before, Heather, how things are doing so well.
You know, things are really going well in christ Church
at the moment. So I don't know whether that would,
you know, people would feel that down here. My girlfriend
and Wellington and has sent me a picture of a
(04:02):
billboard that's on the way to Wellington Airport's got a
picture of our mayor Phil Major on it that says
the beehive maybe in Wellington, but the buzzes in christ Church,
which I think is just brilliant. But yeah, I wonder
if there's a geographical breakdown. I do think the PM
has got to stop saying things like a growing economy
is actually how key we get ahead. I really applauded
(04:22):
that when I first heard it and over the last
couple of years. But I am running out of patients now,
and I think a lot of people are running out
of money. And as I heard you say earlier, we've
got to start seeing some action and some change otherwise
people are just going to give up.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, what do you say, David, Look, I've read it
is very alarming for the government because inflation in the
economy are the two biggest issues they are elected on
and will probably be the biggest issues gained in to
next election. And well, you and then could having a
discussion about whether it's fear et cetera, et cetera. The
(04:57):
end of the day, two years in, people were still hurting.
We've still gone not inflation's not five percent, but food
inflation just at five percent I think in the stats
out today, etc. So it is going to be a
real challenge for them. Now. Yeah, there's some good signs
in the economy and the rural sector. It's a matter
(05:18):
of whether that's going to come through quickly enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Do you think, Ellie, like I do, that they should
have from my perspective, The problem is they came in
and they just look like the Labor Party and drag.
They didn't change very much up they spent more than
the Labor Party. I think they ought to have done
something quite structurally significant, like there should have been really
big changes to turn this economy around. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yet?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I agree with you, and I think there's only so
long that you can say, oh, look, we had to
open the books, we had to review everything, there was
a lot to mop up that we had. That that
only works for you know, so so long. And I
think you're absolutely right. I don't know how far you
could go. But at the moment, I'm looking at what
we had with labor and going, oh my god, I
don't want them back. And I'm looking at this three
(06:02):
headed monster and thinking, well, I'm not very impressed with them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Are that?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, this is a fair point, David. I can understand
from a political point of view why they decided to
go with incrementalism as opposed to Roger Douglass in the place,
But did they actually make a mistake by choosing that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think they did make a mistake and at least
not being more aggressive why spending reductions, especially with the
public seat a lot. You might have seen it at
Auckland well into the local newspaper ran five stories a
day about public service cuts. I'd a poll the average
person thinks a third of the public sector got facked
(06:38):
fifteen thousand people. Actually we've got more people than in
June fifty three, you know, slightly less than what came in.
And I'mswie like, well, if you're going to take months
and months of these headlines about how terrible you are
and actually only cut a few hundred, must as well
have cut the fifteen out totally.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You know, that's what the media convince people. You would
do it for a day?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
How much? How much of this is to do with
the fact that it's coalition. This is what I'm really
interested in. Has National been limited in what they can
do or any of the others been limited in what
they can do because they have to get agreement between
the three parties?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Oh? Absolutely, always.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I don't think it's made from blame though a lot,
because there's some things like if you got in first,
wasn't there you would raise the two frage sixty seven,
which won't affect their connia that currently is, but would
be a very good policy for sustainability long term.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Going to be a single party government possibly ever again
in New Zealand, to be honest, it's all going to
be two and three party coalitions. And this is MMP
and it's deliberately designed to stop the old government. Yeah,
because people didn't like rodgenomics.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yephy Ali, do you care if your peaches are grown
in Hawks Bay all China?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I do, I really do? And what I care about it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
For the hawks Bay peaches instead of the one dollar
for the China peachers.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
No, I would make my own, but I do care
where they come from. So my point is, if I've
got a choice between hawks Bay and Chinese peaches, if
the Chinese ones are cheaper, I will bottle my own.
If the hawks Bay ones are pretty close to the
Chinese ones, I'll buy the hawks Bay ones. But it's
it's not a matter of choosing one over the other
because I'll always do my own. It's cheaper and it's satisfying.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Jesus, I don't even have the skill. Do you have
the skill?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
David?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Could you just be like I'm just going to do
my own peaches?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
No, I could not do my own peachs.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But but lot I do look at country a Weber
histori respirt, New Zealand strawberries tend to be much fresher
than the important ones. Of course you only get some year.
New Zealand garlic has probably six times Chinese garlic, but
so much nicer when it comes to peaches, though I
can't say that's one of the ones drove the strong
(08:54):
view on you know me, So I won't look at
you know, say own get New Zealand. But if I
know New Zealand has better quality, then yes I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
What about the air miles? So you're you're an environmentalist,
don't you, David, you'd be thinking about how far they'd
come from.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It must stay.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Rolling your eyes, David, I'm rolling my eyes. Are you
rolling your eyes?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Look the.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Whole world exports in them pots. Like take strawberries, we
don't grow them nine months of the year, so of
course they get important than And the reality is they
would rather keep selling New Zelle peaches, but people just
aren't buying them. And you can't stop three million people
from buying the wrong thank no.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And I mean buying in season is always a smart
thing to do. Guys, listen. I appreciate it very much.
My mind is blown by the pair review Ali for
doing her own Peaches and David for knowing the garlic story.
David Farrah, Alie Jones a huddling.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iheardre video
Going away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
(00:03):
International Realty. Find your one of.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
A kind on the Huddle of Us this evening we
have David Farraki we blog and Curiapolster and Ali Jones
have read pr Hello you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Two, Hello Hi Hena David.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What is going on here? Are they playing chippy or
is there true disagreement within the party.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Oh, there's no doubt there's true disagreement. And look, I've
been thinking Brad about this, and I actually get quite
angry because what people forget when these people say if
you're not Mari, you can't get involved in the selection.
The MP for Tammocky Makru isn't just a social worker
(00:40):
for their consitions. They vote in parliament on the lords
of New Zealand. We're not immune from that. To really,
what Tama here in Paris are saying is that if
you're the wrong race, you don't get to have a say.
And who goes into parliament.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Who decides the laws. And that's just absolutely outrageous. I said,
of a local advocate role, you could well make that case,
but you cannot tell New Zealand citizens that they have
no right to have a view or to get involved
with a party's campaign for a season the New Zealan Parliament.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, fair point, Alie. What do you think.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, I think that's right. I think gosh, it was
great listening to mister flavel went. Actually hears some articulate conciliatory. Well,
you know, I do wonder because we're seeing it in
the Greens, We're seeing it in some of the labor
as well. It's becoming more activist. And you know, he
talked about the old sucker puppa and I do wonder
(01:38):
about that. But the thing here is that Mary seats
are there to ensure a Mary voice in parliament, right,
that's one argument. So then it comes down to can
a non Mary candidate bear voice for Mary in parliament?
And we heard in your interview that they can. And
I think if you start David's right, if you start
saying you cannot run for parliament because you are not
(01:58):
of this ethnicity or the race, that is undemocratic. And
I think that's the line that some of the people
in the Maori Party are are walking.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
David, just explain to me why you're so convinced that
there is disagreement within the party.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
There's a couple of reasons. The first is they've just
sacked their whip. You don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
That just doesn't happen without some significant ructions within the party.
The second is you've actually had the MP have the
leaders apologize for them, double down with an eight minute
the Farnt video, and also interestingly say basically, well they're
not in charge of me. We're all equal on this party. Now.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Now let me tell you. If you're a national web
be with your keepers drystuff, and you said you're not
the bottom me, John, we're all equal, well you probably
would be a national WebP for very long. So what
we've seen is a symptom, but there's obviously deeper eruptions
are then this is not perhaps surprising because it's how
(03:02):
he says. They're more a party of active us very
good generating anger, but not a party what discipline. What Hey,
we're here to improve laws to see what policy gains
we can get.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, fairpoint. Actually they don't even know how parliament actually works.
All right, we'll take a break with you to come
back very shortly talk about where the National and the
Act in New Zealand. First, should be worried about that poll.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Global
Leader and Luxury real Estate.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Back of the Huddle Allie Jones and David Farrett. Now, Ali,
what do you think should National Act New Zealand first
be worried that they're copying the lion's share of the
blame for the economy, plus so much of it from
their own voters.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Absolutely, they should, you know, I think this is more
David's area. One thing I was interested in those figures though,
is was there a breakdown geographically? And I've said on
your show before, Heather, how things are doing so well.
You know, things are really going well in christ Church
at the moment. So I don't know whether that would,
you know, people would feel that down here. My girlfriend
and Wellington and has sent me a picture of a
(04:02):
billboard that's on the way to Wellington Airport's got a
picture of our mayor Phil Major on it that says
the beehive maybe in Wellington, but the buzzes in christ Church,
which I think is just brilliant. But yeah, I wonder
if there's a geographical breakdown. I do think the PM
has got to stop saying things like a growing economy
is actually how key we get ahead. I really applauded
(04:22):
that when I first heard it and over the last
couple of years. But I am running out of patients now,
and I think a lot of people are running out
of money. And as I heard you say earlier, we've
got to start seeing some action and some change otherwise
people are just going to give up.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, what do you say, David, Look, I've read it
is very alarming for the government because inflation in the
economy are the two biggest issues they are elected on
and will probably be the biggest issues gained in to
next election. And well, you and then could having a
discussion about whether it's fear et cetera, et cetera. The
(04:57):
end of the day, two years in, people were still hurting.
We've still gone not inflation's not five percent, but food
inflation just at five percent I think in the stats
out today, etc. So it is going to be a
real challenge for them. Now. Yeah, there's some good signs
in the economy and the rural sector. It's a matter
(05:18):
of whether that's going to come through quickly enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Do you think, Ellie, like I do, that they should
have from my perspective, The problem is they came in
and they just look like the Labor Party and drag.
They didn't change very much up they spent more than
the Labor Party. I think they ought to have done
something quite structurally significant, like there should have been really
big changes to turn this economy around. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yet?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
I agree with you, and I think there's only so
long that you can say, oh, look, we had to
open the books, we had to review everything, there was
a lot to mop up that we had. That that
only works for you know, so so long. And I
think you're absolutely right. I don't know how far you
could go. But at the moment, I'm looking at what
we had with labor and going, oh my god, I
don't want them back. And I'm looking at this three
(06:02):
headed monster and thinking, well, I'm not very impressed with them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Are that?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Well, this is a fair point, David. I can understand
from a political point of view why they decided to
go with incrementalism as opposed to Roger Douglass in the place,
But did they actually make a mistake by choosing that.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think they did make a mistake and at least
not being more aggressive why spending reductions, especially with the
public seat a lot. You might have seen it at
Auckland well into the local newspaper ran five stories a
day about public service cuts. I'd a poll the average
person thinks a third of the public sector got facked
(06:38):
fifteen thousand people. Actually we've got more people than in
June fifty three, you know, slightly less than what came in.
And I'mswie like, well, if you're going to take months
and months of these headlines about how terrible you are
and actually only cut a few hundred, must as well
have cut the fifteen out totally.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You know, that's what the media convince people. You would
do it for a day?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
How much? How much of this is to do with
the fact that it's coalition. This is what I'm really
interested in. Has National been limited in what they can
do or any of the others been limited in what
they can do because they have to get agreement between
the three parties?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Oh? Absolutely, always.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I don't think it's made from blame though a lot,
because there's some things like if you got in first,
wasn't there you would raise the two frage sixty seven,
which won't affect their connia that currently is, but would
be a very good policy for sustainability long term.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But there's not.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Going to be a single party government possibly ever again
in New Zealand, to be honest, it's all going to
be two and three party coalitions. And this is MMP
and it's deliberately designed to stop the old government. Yeah,
because people didn't like rodgenomics.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yephy Ali, do you care if your peaches are grown
in Hawks Bay all China?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
I do, I really do? And what I care about it.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
For the hawks Bay peaches instead of the one dollar
for the China peachers.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
No, I would make my own, but I do care
where they come from. So my point is, if I've
got a choice between hawks Bay and Chinese peaches, if
the Chinese ones are cheaper, I will bottle my own.
If the hawks Bay ones are pretty close to the
Chinese ones, I'll buy the hawks Bay ones. But it's
it's not a matter of choosing one over the other
because I'll always do my own. It's cheaper and it's satisfying.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Jesus, I don't even have the skill. Do you have
the skill?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
David?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Could you just be like I'm just going to do
my own peaches?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
No, I could not do my own peachs.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But but lot I do look at country a Weber
histori respirt, New Zealand strawberries tend to be much fresher
than the important ones. Of course you only get some year.
New Zealand garlic has probably six times Chinese garlic, but
so much nicer when it comes to peaches, though I
can't say that's one of the ones drove the strong
(08:54):
view on you know me, So I won't look at
you know, say own get New Zealand. But if I
know New Zealand has better quality, then yes I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
What about the air miles? So you're you're an environmentalist,
don't you, David, you'd be thinking about how far they'd
come from.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
It must stay.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Rolling your eyes, David, I'm rolling my eyes. Are you
rolling your eyes?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Look the.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Whole world exports in them pots. Like take strawberries, we
don't grow them nine months of the year, so of
course they get important than And the reality is they
would rather keep selling New Zelle peaches, but people just
aren't buying them. And you can't stop three million people
from buying the wrong thank no.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And I mean buying in season is always a smart
thing to do. Guys, listen. I appreciate it very much.
My mind is blown by the pair review Ali for
doing her own Peaches and David for knowing the garlic story.
David Farrah, Alie Jones a huddling.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iheardre video
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