November 12, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A and Kiwiblog's David Farrar joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
It's day two of the Jevon McSkimming IPCA report. Is another investigation needed to get the public's trust back? What questions need to be answered?
New polling shows Labour has gotten a boost since introducing the capital gains tax. Is this strictly a win for Labour - or do the Greens deserve some credit here too?
Would you rather the council reseal your road with chip seal than asphalt if it saves lots of money?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the huddle this evening we have Jack Tame, host
of Q and A Saturday Mornings on Newstaloks. They'd be
and David Ferrer of Kweiblog and also a polster for Curia.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello you two carry head. Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It seems to be that another investigation is not likely
but necessary. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, Matthew outstanding, like absolutely
hit the nail on the head there. I think he's
totally right in the commission Chambers has been right to
be super outspoken about this and when it comes to
police's reputation, maximum transparency is in the institution's interests, right,
it is in the interests of police to have every
(00:39):
bit of transparency now, every investigation if necessary, in order
to regain the trust of the public which will have
been lost through this whole process. And judging from the
Commissioner's comments over the last twenty four hours, you can
imagine he's the sort of person who would probably support that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is there any way David that they can that there
could not be an investigation? I mean it seems to
me like it is an absolute necessity.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it is. Where it ends up, we don't
know but there is clearly potential criminal offending there. I mean,
when you look at this, so much you could talk about.
But just the fact we've learnt that the commissioner instructed
the private sexies and the minister's offers to hide from
the minister and the minister's other stars any emails out
(01:24):
mexciving now they knew he was applying for commissioner, the
minister in the PM appoint the commissioner to actually actively
be hiding reputational emails from the minister by instructing his
own start not to show them.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Even if you believe that he thinks he's doing the
right thing and stopping some like in his mind, maybe
some natty eggs from ruining this guy's career. Even if
you think that you're doing the right thing, it is
the wrong thing to hide.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It isn't it. Oh? Absolutely, And here's what's shocking. It
wasn't one or two bet apples implicated for really the
decision making sure he's on There is the commissioner, three
depy commissioners and two assistant commissioners. Six are probably the
top million police officers at the time, and none of
(02:12):
them said, hey, wait a sec, maybe we shouldn't just
like listen to one side of this. Maybe we should
investigate him find out the fact. That's what's astonishing. Don't
blame it all on Coster, that there were three deep pleas,
two assistants and the commissioner all applied appalling judgment.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah too, right now, Jack, what do you reckon? Do
you reckon Andrew Coster did it because he's a bad
guy or do you think he did it because he's
just bad at his job and displayed some very bad judgment.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I have absolutely no idea, And I think it's interesting
that he's at the center of all of this, given
he was such a politically divisive figure when he was commissioner.
You know, he had a huge levels of support, was
promoted at quite a young age and was a sort
of new thing, and then obviously fell out of political support.
But clearly the fact that this report has come from
the independent Police Conduct Authority is absolutely vital. This isn't
(03:05):
a politically motivated report. I mean that the clue is
in the name they are independent. That being said, I mean,
I think it's totally untenable for him to continue in
his current position. I just hope that when a deal
is negotiated or whatever is decided, and it may have
already been decided today, that we hear from Andrew Costa.
I think it's really really important that we actually understand
(03:28):
from his perspective exactly what's gone down. So I hope
that if the deal is reached, it doesn't include some
all encompassing gag order that means he doesn't ever make
public comments about it. I think the public deserve to
hear from him.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're right, and you should absolutely not get a payout.
We'll take a break, come back to you guys in
a tip. Right, you're back with the huddle. David Pharaoh,
Jack Tame. David Labor can probably take heart, can't it
that his vote has held up and it's actually gone
up despite the capital gains tax policy announcement.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Look, if you're a party, going up's always good
than the polls after policy. Really having said that, they
know that they went up at the expense of national
than the Greens, because obviously one grows the center left
vote and one doesn't. But even putting that to one side,
if your Laby, you'd rather you have that two extra
percent than the Greens have it, Jack.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean just think about every other time they try
to capital gainstacks and it's effectively tanked their campaigns. I
think that policy was very, very deliberately designed to upset
the fewest voters possible. They've managed to launch it and
hasn't totally tanked them. Their their votes held about the same.
I reckon they will chalk this up as a significant
policy victory.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I would say so as well, David, because I mean
what it's done is it's managed to kind of pulling
that because they do want to increase themselves within the
left block, and there was no way that they were
going to increase They weren't going to increase the block itself,
were they. So actually, all things considered, this is about
the best they could have hoped for.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I won't quite go there. I've felt very early day
people just know okay only applies to property. I think
when you see a a campaign launched against it him,
there is going to be one pointing out that it
taxes you for inflation that has not real gained its nominal.
I think then you may find it starts to go
the other way. For I think New Zealanders believe in fairness,
(05:15):
and I don't think that people will see it fear
that you tax people. Just fort David, is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
This campaign going to be launched by the Taxpayers Union
rather than the National Party.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I have no knowledge of what tax what National Party
is going to do, because the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
National Party seems incapable of running a campaign against it
at the moment. They've been weirdly mute on it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Probably, But yeah, I don't know what National thing. But yes,
I'm almost certain the tax Friers Union will of course
be campaigning against a new increased tax, especially one that
taxes inflation. That's their job.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
See, now this is a good point from from David,
isn't it, Jack, Because once that campaign gets up and running,
labor should fall back in the poll.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, maybe it's just just just you know, I mean,
I think it's just been so carefully, so meticulously engineered
that they are just trying to hold off attacks from
the left and hold off the attacks from the right
and try and hold the central ground. I'm sure that
once we get a little closer to the election, both
at tax Page Union and National and Act and maybe
(06:22):
even New Zealand First are going to sharpen the spears
a little bit and attacking the policy. So yeah, I
don't think we can. I don't think we can write
it off yet. But compared to previous launchers of a
capital gains tax, you would have to say that labor
support is holding up better than it has on the multi. Yes, yes,
it is extremely low.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Bar Now, Jack, would you rather the council reseal your
road with chip Seal or Asphelt given chip Seal as
a whole lot cheaper.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do you know what I want? I want to I
want more for less, so I want to pay the
same rates, but I want my road to have ash Feld.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Are you getting as Felt on your road, because there's
a lot of roads.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No, I've got I've got the old chip seal. And
the thing that annoys me more than the ash Felt
versus chip Seal is I've still got like heaps of
really old telephone lines everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Oh yeah, actually gets it to the front of the village.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Ah, it's a bit of a honestly, It's like it
feels like you're sort of like a developing country at times,
Like I look at some of these lines and I'm like,
there's not even leading anywhere. It's flopping around in the
wind at the fund anyway, So I would, I would,
that would be my number one priority when it comes
to street aesthetics.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What have you got, David? Have you got? Have you
got asphelt or chip seal and lines up or lines down?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Ash ferultume, But lines are up, but lot chip seal.
It isn't just slightly cheaper, it's massively cheaper. So I
am of the view that you should be used yet
because lots of rates. We're getting up two or three
percent maybe, but rates are being out ten or twenty percent.
You have to you know, do the mustads that Jack.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Is a member of the Taxpayers Union. It's really important
to understand that he's just tight.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
As can we Can we how about this for a compromise?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can we this is really going to wind you up?
Can we have chip seal for the road, but pass
seal for my bike plane?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh? You know what? That just that I have announced today?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You buzz killed me Jack, But I can understand it
because I don't want you to die when you're on
your bike. Hey guys, thank you very much, appreciate it.
David Farrer, Jack Tamer huddle this
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Evening for more from hither Duplessy Alan Drive listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
On the huddle this evening we have Jack Tame, host
of Q and A Saturday Mornings on Newstaloks. They'd be
and David Ferrer of Kweiblog and also a polster for Curia.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hello you two carry head. Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It seems to be that another investigation is not likely
but necessary. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, Matthew outstanding, like absolutely
hit the nail on the head there. I think he's
totally right in the commission Chambers has been right to
be super outspoken about this and when it comes to
police's reputation, maximum transparency is in the institution's interests, right,
it is in the interests of police to have every
(00:39):
bit of transparency now, every investigation if necessary, in order
to regain the trust of the public which will have
been lost through this whole process. And judging from the
Commissioner's comments over the last twenty four hours, you can
imagine he's the sort of person who would probably support that.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is there any way David that they can that there
could not be an investigation? I mean it seems to
me like it is an absolute necessity.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think it is. Where it ends up, we don't
know but there is clearly potential criminal offending there. I mean,
when you look at this, so much you could talk about.
But just the fact we've learnt that the commissioner instructed
the private sexies and the minister's offers to hide from
the minister and the minister's other stars any emails out
(01:24):
mexciving now they knew he was applying for commissioner, the
minister in the PM appoint the commissioner to actually actively
be hiding reputational emails from the minister by instructing his
own start not to show them.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Even if you believe that he thinks he's doing the
right thing and stopping some like in his mind, maybe
some natty eggs from ruining this guy's career. Even if
you think that you're doing the right thing, it is
the wrong thing to hide.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
It isn't it. Oh? Absolutely, And here's what's shocking. It
wasn't one or two bet apples implicated for really the
decision making sure he's on There is the commissioner, three
depy commissioners and two assistant commissioners. Six are probably the
top million police officers at the time, and none of
(02:12):
them said, hey, wait a sec, maybe we shouldn't just
like listen to one side of this. Maybe we should
investigate him find out the fact. That's what's astonishing. Don't
blame it all on Coster, that there were three deep pleas,
two assistants and the commissioner all applied appalling judgment.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah too, right now, Jack, what do you reckon? Do
you reckon Andrew Coster did it because he's a bad
guy or do you think he did it because he's
just bad at his job and displayed some very bad judgment.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
I have absolutely no idea, And I think it's interesting
that he's at the center of all of this, given
he was such a politically divisive figure when he was commissioner.
You know, he had a huge levels of support, was
promoted at quite a young age and was a sort
of new thing, and then obviously fell out of political support.
But clearly the fact that this report has come from
the independent Police Conduct Authority is absolutely vital. This isn't
(03:05):
a politically motivated report. I mean that the clue is
in the name they are independent. That being said, I mean,
I think it's totally untenable for him to continue in
his current position. I just hope that when a deal
is negotiated or whatever is decided, and it may have
already been decided today, that we hear from Andrew Costa.
I think it's really really important that we actually understand
(03:28):
from his perspective exactly what's gone down. So I hope
that if the deal is reached, it doesn't include some
all encompassing gag order that means he doesn't ever make
public comments about it. I think the public deserve to
hear from him.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You're right, and you should absolutely not get a payout.
We'll take a break, come back to you guys in
a tip. Right, you're back with the huddle. David Pharaoh,
Jack Tame. David Labor can probably take heart, can't it
that his vote has held up and it's actually gone
up despite the capital gains tax policy announcement.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah. Look, if you're a party, going up's always good
than the polls after policy. Really having said that, they
know that they went up at the expense of national
than the Greens, because obviously one grows the center left
vote and one doesn't. But even putting that to one side,
if your Laby, you'd rather you have that two extra
percent than the Greens have it, Jack.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I mean just think about every other time they try
to capital gainstacks and it's effectively tanked their campaigns. I
think that policy was very, very deliberately designed to upset
the fewest voters possible. They've managed to launch it and
hasn't totally tanked them. Their their votes held about the same.
I reckon they will chalk this up as a significant
policy victory.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I would say so as well, David, because I mean
what it's done is it's managed to kind of pulling
that because they do want to increase themselves within the
left block, and there was no way that they were
going to increase They weren't going to increase the block itself,
were they. So actually, all things considered, this is about
the best they could have hoped for.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I won't quite go there. I've felt very early day
people just know okay only applies to property. I think
when you see a a campaign launched against it him,
there is going to be one pointing out that it
taxes you for inflation that has not real gained its nominal.
I think then you may find it starts to go
the other way. For I think New Zealanders believe in fairness,
(05:15):
and I don't think that people will see it fear
that you tax people. Just fort David, is.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
This campaign going to be launched by the Taxpayers Union
rather than the National Party.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I have no knowledge of what tax what National Party
is going to do, because the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
National Party seems incapable of running a campaign against it
at the moment. They've been weirdly mute on it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Probably, But yeah, I don't know what National thing. But yes,
I'm almost certain the tax Friers Union will of course
be campaigning against a new increased tax, especially one that
taxes inflation. That's their job.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
See, now this is a good point from from David,
isn't it, Jack, Because once that campaign gets up and running,
labor should fall back in the poll.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Well.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, maybe it's just just just you know, I mean,
I think it's just been so carefully, so meticulously engineered
that they are just trying to hold off attacks from
the left and hold off the attacks from the right
and try and hold the central ground. I'm sure that
once we get a little closer to the election, both
at tax Page Union and National and Act and maybe
(06:22):
even New Zealand First are going to sharpen the spears
a little bit and attacking the policy. So yeah, I
don't think we can. I don't think we can write
it off yet. But compared to previous launchers of a
capital gains tax, you would have to say that labor
support is holding up better than it has on the multi. Yes, yes,
it is extremely low.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Bar Now, Jack, would you rather the council reseal your
road with chip Seal or Asphelt given chip Seal as
a whole lot cheaper.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Do you know what I want? I want to I
want more for less, so I want to pay the
same rates, but I want my road to have ash Feld.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Are you getting as Felt on your road, because there's
a lot of roads.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
No, I've got I've got the old chip seal. And
the thing that annoys me more than the ash Felt
versus chip Seal is I've still got like heaps of
really old telephone lines everywhere.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Oh yeah, actually gets it to the front of the village.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Ah, it's a bit of a honestly, It's like it
feels like you're sort of like a developing country at times,
Like I look at some of these lines and I'm like,
there's not even leading anywhere. It's flopping around in the
wind at the fund anyway, So I would, I would,
that would be my number one priority when it comes
to street aesthetics.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What have you got, David? Have you got? Have you
got asphelt or chip seal and lines up or lines down?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Ash ferultume, But lines are up, but lot chip seal.
It isn't just slightly cheaper, it's massively cheaper. So I
am of the view that you should be used yet
because lots of rates. We're getting up two or three
percent maybe, but rates are being out ten or twenty percent.
You have to you know, do the mustads that Jack.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Is a member of the Taxpayers Union. It's really important
to understand that he's just tight.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
As can we Can we how about this for a compromise?
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Can we this is really going to wind you up?
Can we have chip seal for the road, but pass
seal for my bike plane?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh? You know what? That just that I have announced today?
Speaker 1 (08:21):
You buzz killed me Jack, But I can understand it
because I don't want you to die when you're on
your bike. Hey guys, thank you very much, appreciate it.
David Farrer, Jack Tamer huddle this
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Evening for more from hither Duplessy Alan Drive listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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