Full Show Podcast: 14 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Heather Dupercy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to
coverage like no one else.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
News Talks Heavy.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going
to talk climate because copp is under weigh and one
point five is officially dead. The Retirement Commissioner is going
to explain why she wants the government to take care
we save a contributions off the rich to pay for
the poor, and will also tell you about the Auckland
retirement village that wants to ban evs.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Ill get quick quiz for you. Think of the Labor Party,
who is the climate spokesperson? Yeah, no, you didn't get
it right, because it's Deborah Russell. I know, I didn't
think it was that either. I didn't know it. And
you know what, it's my job to know this kind
of stuff, but to be fair to me. In the
entirety of this year, thus far, Deborah has only put

(00:53):
out three press releases on the climate and the third
one was today and guess what it was about. It
was announcing that Deborah is going to the annual Global
Climate Conference COP thirty and she's going to be leaving
on Sunday, and she's going to be coming back Saturday,
which means she's there basically for a week, because of
course she is, because Hoe doesn't want to weaken Brazil
on the boss's credit card. I see what Deborah's doing,

(01:15):
but let's also see this for what it is, right,
Debrah's contribution to the climate this year is three press
releases in a long haul flight to Brazil return, so
all up, a net negative contribution to the climate, which
pretty much is the story. Though not to pick on
Deborah here, because this is what everybody's doing. This is
the story of every single cop isn't it. Thousands of
people fly into a place burning up who knows how

(01:36):
many emissions, only to have a gab fest, issue a
bunch of press releases and really achieve nothing, a massive
net negative for the climate. That's what Coppers. You know
what the big news story out of Coppers today that
it's failed. One point five is dead. It will not
be achieved. This was what we were told we needed
to do to save humanity. Hit one point five, keep
the temperatuisers to one point five no more. We have

(01:58):
known for a while that one point point five is dead.
It is now officially dead. So Debra is flying to
a conference that has already admitted that the aim of
COP twenty six, which is four conferences ago, which was
to keep one point five alive, is actually dead in
the water. In which case it begs the question why
do we keep wasting emissions to go to an annual
get together that fails every single year. I think I've
got the answer because it means a week in Brazil.

(02:21):
Heather Dupluicy Ellen, Debrah's actually with us after five o'clock.
I might give her some suggestions about cool stuff to
do in Brazil. Nine two nine two is the text
number standard text fees applied now on the gefamcskimming case.
One of the concrete outcomes from that IPCA report is
the new role of the Inspector General of Police, which

(02:42):
has been established by Judith Collins. It will provide independent oversight,
but other than that very little detail was given. Now.
Elizabeth Hall is the co chair of the Defense Lawyers
Association and with us Hire. Elizabeth, are you convinced by
this as a solution.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Look, I think it's a complex problem and anything that's
a step in the direction of independence, genuine practical independence oversight.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Is welcomed.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I'm not sure i'd call it a solution. Why not,
because there are a number of problems that I think
have been revealed in the IPCA report, and that just
are things that we know from common sense, and part
of what has been revealed I think is a culture
and culture shift needs to change so that people feel

(03:30):
that they can bring concerns forward, so that the police
can investigate police officers police misconduct, both within their role
is police staff and for police officers that commit misconduct
that might amount to crime outside of their role.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
As police officers.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
And if people aren't in an environment where they feel
they can talk about it and they feel that they
can raise complaints and that they feel that those complaints
will be listened and that they won't have retribute brought
to bear on them, then the information flow isn't going
to happen, is it. So absolutely, structural change can be helpful,
but it's not a solution on its own.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Do you think I mean in this case, would the
police officers who were trying to raise concerns and who
were a little bit worried about the process and whatnot,
would they have raised their concerns with the Inspector General.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, that's one of the commentators that's been talking in
the last couple of days. That's the concern they've raised. Well,
if they're not going to raise them in the system
structure that there is, why would they raise it in a.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Different system structure?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
And I watched the press conference with the Attorney General
and Mark Mitchell, etc. And you know, there was very
little detail given about what it actually would look like,
who's actually going to be staffing it. And so we
have got the IPCA strengthening the IPCA. It is certainly
a good step in my view, but whether it makes

(04:56):
a real change to outcome, it's difficult to know. But
I think don't we just have to go back to
basics and look at, you know, the culture within the police,
because we know from what's happened in New Zealand that
we have got instances of police misconduct, both within and
outside the scope of an officer's duties, both that pose

(05:17):
serious risks to public trust and to justice. Elizabeth police
has committed a crime in their private lives and have
committed crimes as police officer.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I just keep wanting to interrupt you on this and
say to you, okay, and we're talking about a culture
in the police, But isn't this isn't this something that
any one of us could have fallen victim to that
We've got a friend, We've got somebody we think is
a good sort. They tell us that they've had a
bad breakup in the other ones the bunny boiler, and
you believe them. And then because it's your mate and
you believe them, and so then all you know, you

(05:45):
start to see that everything that you see points to
that being the case, that's the narrative you believe, and
then you try to stop the other person who you
believe to be the bad person from actually doing bad things.
So couldn't any one of us have like is this
a culture problem? Or is this just a human problem?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Okay, So, first of all, I think that the conversations
is more productive if it's taken outside of the mixgimmings scenario.
And I'm certainly happy to make those general you know,
provide some general information from my perspective anyway, about what
I think is wrong and what I think the solutions
could be, because it is just an example that's been

(06:22):
brought to the public attention but it's a bigger and
a deeper issue. And that's one of the comments that
I've made recently is that police officers are just humans.
They are humans who wear iron uniforms, but they are
still subject to all of the foibles.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Of the human character.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
And so yes, I think to a degree within it.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Are you still there, Elizabeth? If you can hear me,
you've muted yourself, So I need you to unmute yourself.
Do you know what's happened? Can you hear the birds?
Can you hear I can hear the birds? So you
know what's happened is somebody's turned on Elizabeth's car or

(07:09):
the Bluetooth player or I don't know, open the AirPods
container and her call has switched to that. No, don't
worry about a bebe That's okay, I will run out
of time. Yeah, anyway, was it? Do you know what?
Can I just put something to you that I was
actually going to a last ask Elizabeth, And I am
a little bit I'm a bit bummed out that we
didn't get to that point. I am starting to feel
a little uncomfortable about the fact that these police officers,

(07:31):
the senior police officers, appear to me, unlikely to be
charged over what has gone on here. So if you
every single time I've heard the people in charge of
this talking about in particularly Richard Chambers, they're very noncommittal
about the fact that the police officers will be charged
and there would even be an investigation. Look how quickly
they've moved on the legals on the employment side, right,

(07:51):
They've got a Casey involved. Casey's already dealing with the
employment matters. But surely if they were planning, if they
thought that there were charges that needed to be laid,
they would immediately have started the play lease investigation into
the potential unlawfulness of it as well, right, and they
have it. So if no, let me ask you this question.
If no laws have been broken here in the thing

(08:12):
that has been called a cover up, in the thing
that has been hinted at as being corruption, if no
laws have been broken here and no one is going
to be charged over this, is there a possibility that
all of the ministers and richer Chambers have taken a
thing that is yes, significant, but hyped it up massively
and maybe it's not as big a deal. It's the

(08:34):
big deal, but maybe not as big a deal. As
they're making is that maybe a possibility? Quarter past four.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
Bess. Heather Power corrupts. Absolutely, this is a Claire can't case.
Let's see the charges then, I don't think they're coming.
Eighteen past four Sport with tab bed Live with in
playing they're responsibly Jason Pines Sports Talk Coasters of I say, Piney, Hello, Heather, Okay,
how are you feeling about this some English side? I
feel oh about the English side? Well, I feel like
they're beatable. I think the All Blacks will win the

(09:11):
Test match. And you know, I've got a great track
record when it comes to predictions on a Friday about
what happens.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
On the weekend.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
I think I think we'll be okay. His history is
really interesting. The All Blacks have only lost one of
the last eleven against England. You have to go back
to twenty twelve to find the last time we lost
a Test at Twickenham. They're usually close games, but we
usually come out on the right side of them. That's
certainly they've been the case in the last sort of
ten to fifteen years. Or so I like our team.

(09:37):
I'm not entirely convinced by theirs. They've got the bomb
squad going with the six six forward reserves. They're calling
it the palm squad by the sounds of it off
their bench. So I think will be okay. I think
we'll be okay.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Right, Well, what do you make of the debate? That
is a very small debate, but it's still a debate
about whether Simon Parker should be back in the starting side.

Speaker 7 (09:57):
I don't mind that because I like what Waller so
Titi brings off the bench, and I think we need
to move past this, this delineation of bench versus starting,
and somehow starting a test matches is far more you know,
you know, illustrious than coming off the bench. Coming off
the bench is as important now to winning Test matches

(10:18):
as starting in the in the Jerseys one to fifteen,
Damian McKenzie proved that a week ago against Scotland when
he had that wonderful performance off the off the reserves bench.
So I don't mind to tt off the bench.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
You're being a little you're being a bit like awards
for everyone here.

Speaker 7 (10:32):
I mean no, no, I'm not no, honestly, South Africa.
South Africa worked it out well before anybody else that
you need twenty three players to win a game of
Test rugby and you're not handing out a consolation prize
or a or a you know, just a participation certificate
to somebody just because they're not in the starting fifteen.
Teams are now and Rassi Erasmus is the master of this,

(10:53):
and Scott Robertson is slowly getting his head around this.
It's a twenty three man game, and you use those
twenty three chess pieces you know, to win games, right.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But you've got to use each of them to the
best of the advantage. But I still am not sure
that you can compare somebody who's on at the start
for the first sixty minutes to somebody who comes in
to close it out in the last twenty.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
Yeah, but then you look at baseball, right there's often
pictures to come on to pitch a couple of innings
at the end and they win the game for their team.
I just think we need to move on from this.
You know that if you're not in the starting fifteen,
you're not really part of the team. I think it's
as important to be good off the bench.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Okay, listen, why has the Black Ferns coach decided to
give it up?

Speaker 7 (11:31):
Well, I just think well, in his words, he's stepping
away because he's been on that treadmill for a long time.
I don't think too many coaches of New Zealand elite
teams survive not making a World Cup final. Heather, I
think you know they've done a review and I'm not
sure that even if he had wanted to continue that
Ellen Bunting would have got the blessing to do. So

(11:52):
you kind of got to win the World Cup or
at least make the final if you're the Black Ferns
or the All Blacks. Otherwise your employment kind of is
is under a little bit of threat. So look, I
think there's a couple of issues at play here. First
of all, the Black Fans don't play anywhere near enough.
That's one thing, so regardles to the coach is they've
got to play more rugby and by the sounds of it,
that's going to happen from next year onwards. But also

(12:14):
we've got to catch up to England. England are so
far ahead of not just us but everybody else that
we need some fresh ideas, something different, new and vigoration
in that team. So look, they want to appoint this
new coach by Christmas, which I think is a bit optimistic.
It's the middle of November now, so I don't give
a lot of time. But whoever it is needs to
bring this team up to whatever it is that England

(12:37):
are doing the secret source they've found and inject a
bit of it into our Black feranms.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Interesting, Piney, thanks very much, appreciate it, Jason pine Sports
Store Coast. Honestly, I'm not convinced by Piney's argument there
that the first that whoever does the last twenty is
the equivalent of somebody who does the first sixty. We'll
put it to the sports httle are going to be
with us later on, Heather. I never thought I would
agree with you. Ever, this is serious, but Mitchell and
Chamber is a player serious politics regards. James bang On.

(13:03):
I think that's what's going on here for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (13:10):
Thanks about regulatory standards bill got through Dan who drove
it through in the Minister of Regulation. They would see
more of the labor Party will flip it.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Well, I mean that's of course if the Labour Party.

Speaker 8 (13:18):
Yeah, I get all that, but you haven't got broad
Bay support on.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Yes and no.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
David Parker, one of the more thoughtful guys I think,
would have been open to it. Duncan wear ballows that
he's not actually standing for christ Duke Central, so frankly
he's shooting blanks. Elena Williams stood up in the debates,
sung for the first two minutes, then cried, then talk
about her ancestors, and then made some incoherent points about
the legislation. So I am sad that we don't have
cross party support, but in those circumstances it is challenging.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
Back Monday, from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk zb.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy, Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the Power of Satellite
Mobile News talk zedby.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Do you remember the case of the brothers, the two brothers,
the Aussie brothers who are murdered in Mexico that has
now gone to court and Jonathan Curzley, our US correspondent,
is actually in court in Mexico for that. So he's
going to be with us and talk us through it shortly. Hither.
I agree with Piney. When we used to bring on
the bring on S. B. W. Bowden, Barrett Scott, Barrett Samkin,
Dane Coles, etc. Those guys were as good, if not

(14:22):
better than the starting team. You are wrong, Piney is right,
Thanks Mars. It's for twenty six. I can't believe. I
can't believe I'm telling you this, but guess what this
more drama in the Maori party today. So the latest
is that Tarkuth the Ferris, who's one of the ones
that got kicked out, spoke to Radio New Zealand New
Zealand this morning and did he give John Tarmaherty a serve?

Speaker 6 (14:44):
Is it going to end up in court?

Speaker 10 (14:46):
Well, we're dealing with John Tommy Heady here, so I
think it's inevitable that it will end up in court.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Sounds like they love each other now. And do you
remember how John Tarmer Heady was going around saying, oh,
the reason they got kicked out this is muddy I
mean or Cupa Kingey and Tarkuth the Ferris was because
they were trying to role the leaders were. According to
Taku to Feris, this is how that story started.

Speaker 10 (15:03):
About four or five months ago, a leader in the North,
Dame Nata Glavish, told JT that she thought he should
step down and that Rawdi and Debbie should move aside,
and her view was that Mariamnon and Tarkuter should be
leading the party. So I see John's taken that story
and manipulated it into oh, Maria Meno and Tarcuter trying

(15:26):
to take over.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
And then he's got more yawns about John Tomaheada.

Speaker 10 (15:29):
As we came to the close of that meeting, a
cease fire was called for, So everyone was agreeing to
the ceasefire until it got to John Tommy Heady, who
instead of agreeing to the ceasefire, decided to go on
a rant telling everyone that he was going to get
to for his daughter and that he was going to
get that out of the cuppa king Ey Boyce.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Which is what Mario Meno, their mother had already told us. Wow,
I mean, somebody's going to make a movie about this
one day, because I'll tell you what it's like. This
is a better political thriller than anything you can see
on TV. At the moment. Barry Soap will talk us
through it shortly.

Speaker 11 (16:05):
Oh, I get dest.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
With my.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
The name you trumped to get the answers you need.
It's Heather dupla clan drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks, they'd.

Speaker 9 (16:19):
Be o fas.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So, Jane writes, and the Retirement Commissioner has had another
crack of what we should be doing with our retirement.
She wants the government to take its key we Saver
contributions away from wealthy people and instead target them on
the You know, it's basically to build up people who
are less wealthy, build up their key we savers. We're
gonna have a chat to her about that after the
five o'clock Barry soapers with us shortly twenty four away

(16:48):
from five.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So the BBC has done it. It's apologized to Donald
Trump for that misleading edit. Now we just have to
wait and see if Trumpy follows through on his threat
to soothe them for a billion dollars. A former prosecutor
says it'll be very hard for Trump to prove that
he was defamed.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
He would have to prove malice.

Speaker 10 (17:07):
That means the BBC knew the statement was passed or
acted in reckless disregard for the truth, so that as
a higher legal hurdle.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Obviously he has home court advantage.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Here in Florida, the Australian Liberal Party has given us
some more details on the new climate policy. The party
has committed to staying in the Paris Agreement, but it
will abandon the twenty to fifty net zero target, and
the leader, Susan Lee, also said that she won't commit
to a power price reduction target or we.

Speaker 11 (17:33):
Are determined to bring electricity prices down, but I'm not
going to lie to the Australian paper like Labor has.
I'm not going to stand here and say your bill
will come down by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
But the way you bring prices down because very simple.
You inject more supply into the system.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And finally, a pub pain a pain, it's totally same.
A pub in Greater Manchester has banned a group of
patrons from their pub quiz after a very thorough investigation
found that the patrons were cheating. Investigation was more thorough
than anyone Andrew Costa had done. Suspicions were raised among
pub staff after one particular team kept winning week after week,

(18:09):
so the staff began to spy on them, and one
staff member where went as far as spying on the
team from outside the pub through a window, and that's
how they spotted that they were checking their smart watches
for the answers.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Shame International correspondence when ends an eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Jonathan Kursle the US correspondents with US Hallo, Jonathan.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Ah Heather are the wonderful listeners across your beautiful network.
It is always a delight to speak.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
It's so good to you speak to you mate. What's
going on with the Epstein files. What's the latest?

Speaker 12 (18:40):
Yeah, well, this is becoming or it has already become
a huge problem for President Trump. We've seen more revelations
about the former Prince Andrew now just known as Andrew.
We have now seen a push in the House to
try and get these episode files released and speak by
Johnson essentially saying that this could this vote he will
schedule one. Has essentially changed his mind on this issue.

(19:02):
It's a big shift in strategy for him. There has
been a long time push to try and delay this process.
Despite the fact that Donald Trump went to the election
and said, yes, we would release all of THESN files.
He's faced intense criticism from not just his megabase, but
some within the mega camp on Capitol Hill who say
that this was a promise that he made it to
promise that these people made it to their own constituents,

(19:24):
and it could cause Republicans a problem at House elections
that come up in November of twenty twenty six unless
something is done about this. So we are seeing our
House speak a schedule a vote on this. Will more
files be released? There's obviously oversight committees that are leaking
more out and pushing more out into the public domain
as they come into their possession. How much this further
damage is the president that is going to be He's

(19:45):
tried to swap this away and move this away and
insist that he's maintained that he's done nothing wrong, maintain
that he removed Jeffrey Epstein from his Mari Lugo property
because of issues that.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
He had with him at that time.

Speaker 12 (19:59):
Now we went for this crucial housemot to see just
exactly what he is going to be really if indeed
the House decides, yeah, release the files.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yes, And you're in Mexico right now, are you?

Speaker 13 (20:09):
I am.

Speaker 12 (20:09):
I am coming to you from life from Incinata in Mexico,
about two hours drive south of Siwana. For a case
that rocked Australia. It rocked certainly this community here because
it was more than eighteen months ago two Australian surfers,
Jake and Callum Robinson, Perth and Australia, and Carter Road,
an American citizen. We're here on a surfing trip on
the Baja Peninsula when they disappeared. They were later found

(20:33):
their bodies found dumped in a well in remote land,
not too far from where I am at the moment.

Speaker 14 (20:38):
And today we've sent a development in court that is
essentially meant that the three men accused of the murders
have rejected a plea deal they were offered fifty two
and forty seven years, respectively.

Speaker 12 (20:50):
Knocking that back, deciding that they will take the cast
of trouble. What that means is if they are found guilty, well,
it's going to mean life. And by life, I mean
life because the sentences that the prosecution want is three
hundred and seventy eight years for the alleged ring leader,
two hundred and ten years for his co accused. So
unless they invent some sort of magical miss and marvel

(21:12):
that extends human life, if these men are convicted, then
it looks like if they are convicted, they will die
in prison.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Jesus as rough asn't it? Jonathan, Thank you very much,
although I suppose you've got to pay for the crime.
Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent, nineteen away from five. So, as
I said at the start of the program, one point
five is dead. Now if you think we'll hold on,
I think I've heard that before you have, because it's
been pretty obvious for a while that one point five
is dead as and we were not going to limit

(21:38):
the the you know, rising temperatures to more to one
point five above the average. It was always going to
exceed that, and it's been obvious for a while that
we were never going to be able to do it.
And it really became obvious last year when we breached
one point five for the first time across a whole year.
But the scientist had said, you know, you just kind
of keep having to It was still technically feasible so

(21:59):
you kind of keep having to try, and the official
discussions were treating one point five degrees as though it
was still live. Now it is no longer live. It
is now dead. A new UN Environment Program report, which
was released just before COP thirty started, declared that dream
was over and the best the world could now achieve
was to spend as little time above one point five
degrees as possible. Deborah Russell, as I told you, is

(22:20):
going to COP. She's going to be with us after five.
She's the Labor Party spokesperson on that. Can we just
talk about lotto for a tech, right, because I've done
the thing that you've done. I heard fifty five million.
Have you bought your ticket?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Laura?

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I The husband's in charge, but he's going to, isn't he?
Because you have a rule that when it hits thirty five,
is it thirty five? Okay? So she says, So the
rule in their family is when it has when a
jackpots to thirty five, they absolutely buy tickets. They own
buy tickets before I'm going to tack this is the
dumbest thing in the world, right, So they only buy

(22:54):
tickets when it starts jackpotting above thirty five or when
it is must go, So they are going to get
their tickets this weekend. Look, let's be honest, I'm probably
gonna get my tickets. But have you thought about how
dumb this is? Because your chances of winning the jackpot
are smaller than your chances of just winning every other week.
Because when it's a jackpot, everybody goes to buy the tickets,
right including us, which means that dilutes your own chance.

(23:16):
So if you actually want, and like, let's be honest
about it, would you if somebody said to you you've
won a million dollars in lotter, would you be like, well,
bugg of that, I wanted thirty five? I mean, you know,
like you take the million, wouldn't you? So you actually
should be playing on the off weeks, not on the
on weeks like we are here.

Speaker 15 (23:33):
These are yours, not cost to shoote financial advice.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Not financial advice, but responsibly are eighteen blah blah blah,
et cetera, et cetera. You are more likely to get
hit by a car than win lotto. And how likely
are you to get hit by a car? Think about it, like,
think about it. How likely are you to get hit
by a car? You're not stupid, You're not going to
but still more likely than win lotto. The odds of

(23:58):
winning on a single line is one in thirty eight million,
three hundred and eighty three thousand, eight hundred. That is
eight thousand, eight hundred times less likely than you becoming
an all black. Like you are more likely to be
an all black than win loto, And think about the
state of your body right now, Right, you're also roughly

(24:18):
ten thousand times less likely to win than to ever
have been a New Zealand Olympian. Also, you go get
yourself a coin and see if you can flip heads
twenty five times in a row, every single time heads
heads heads heads twenty five times. Right, you are still
more likely to do that than win lotto. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
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Speaker 3 (24:44):
Hither I won Loto and I was hit by a
car thirteen away from five, very so for senior political
correspondents with me, Hello Barry.

Speaker 16 (24:51):
Good afternoon. Hither I've almost been hit by a car.
And if I am cycling and you have one lotto berry, well,
if I six hundred dollars on the way home to
I'll then go out and take a lotto ticket.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
What was that?

Speaker 15 (25:02):
As I've almost won Loto before as well anymore, and
since he's.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Almost one Loto before, this feels very unscientific. What is
happening right now? Talk to me about the Maori Party? Well,
how could it possibly get worse? And yet it does?

Speaker 16 (25:15):
Well, It's incredible, isn't it When you think the Maori
Party in terms of the national vote is inconsequential. But
why we talk about it so much is that if
Labor gets itself in a position next year to form
a government, then these people will be in that government
and more likely at the cabinet table. That's who will

(25:36):
be left of them, if they've got anyone left of them.
This morning, the new Independent MP like you said, Takuta Ferris,
told Radio New Zealand that talked by the party's president
John Tammerherry of an attempt to take over of the
party's leadership was a made up story. Pharah says the

(25:56):
story had its origins with a statement made by the
parties former president Nida Glavish and what he said went
something like this.

Speaker 10 (26:06):
It's an invented story by John Tommy Headack about four
or five months ago, a leader in the North, Dame
Nada Glavish, told JT that she thought he should step
down and that Rawdi and Debbie should move aside, and
her view was that Mridiamenal and Tarkuter should be leading
the party.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
She hadn't talked to me.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
I hadn't talked to her. I'm not even in the picture,
not even remotely in it. I was informed that by Muddiamnal.
She told me that I'm just sort of oh well,
we'll have to just wait and see.

Speaker 17 (26:35):
Now.

Speaker 10 (26:36):
I ended up at a dinner with fire Nada in
August and she was openly saying that to all in attendance.
So you see, John's taken that story and manipulated it
into oh mdiamno Intarcuter trying to take over.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
It's completely untrue.

Speaker 16 (26:51):
He's not the flavor of the month, John Tammy, Herry
is he? And it's interesting. I've had that story verified
by Nida Glavit. I talked to her. She's in Australia
at the moment, but I think she'll be talking to
a national Hui when she gets back next week, and
I think there'll be more fireworks there and some of
your older listeners may remember Dame Knada Glavish got a

(27:14):
lot of publicity in nineteen eighty four at the dying
stage of the Muldoon government that she was a telephone
operator here in Auckland and always answered the orto the
call cura and that caused a hell of astir She
was demoted, but then Rob Talbot, who was the Postmaster
General under Muldoon, persuaded Muldoon to reverse it. Now, of course, Kiora,

(27:40):
look how far that's.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Kind of crazy, that is even involved at level incredible.
Talk to me about the COP thirty conference. How many
people are we sending? There's about fifteen, isn't.

Speaker 16 (27:49):
It fifteen people?

Speaker 18 (27:51):
You know?

Speaker 16 (27:51):
How many people are going there?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Thousands?

Speaker 16 (27:54):
How many do you think? Here's a question thouss like
you started this program for the question exactly tictic. How
many people attended the biggest COP conference in Dubai twenty thousand?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
No, thirty thousand, wasn't it more than that? Fifty? More
one hundred?

Speaker 16 (28:12):
No under that eighty thousand. Now we're in eighty thousand
in Dubai in Brazil, which is a lovely place to go.
Of course, I'll be done in Coca Cobana no time.
I would think fifty six thousand. It's like transporting the
whole of Napier to.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Brazil and all the associated climate emissions. Yeah, you total
all the damage.

Speaker 16 (28:34):
To it will be such a negative effect on the climate.
But look, it'll be interesting because simon what climate change
minister he's going there, and the submission he'll be making
is he said he'll be focused no quotum on deepening
cooperation to support New Zealand's own transition to a low
emission climate resilient economy through innovation, technology and investment. And

(28:57):
then Debba Russell, because you're going to have her on
what's she going to contribute? Well, I'm not sure she'll
be able to tell you that, but she did say
in her press release announcing her decision to go there
that Chris Luckson's government is taking them us backwards by
watering down at targets, So no doubt she'll have that
sort of message. So we'll be arguing with each other

(29:20):
at this conference of fifty six thousand people. I don't
think we'll be noticed.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Thank God. What's the National Ewee Chairs Forum representative there?

Speaker 16 (29:28):
For we're at the climatgation. Yeah, well you know, I
guess you know it'll have something to do.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, probably treaty obligation to time obviously. Right, Okay, police
graduates have heard from the top today that.

Speaker 16 (29:42):
They have and you can imagine being a new graduate.
I mean you're told to respect the officers at the
top of your institution. Well, Richard Chambers, he was giving
an address and now they're graduating in Auckland as well
as Wellington because they've moved a school up to here,
and he talked about his predecessors for their group think

(30:07):
self interest.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
I still still going hard on it.

Speaker 16 (30:10):
Well he is, and you know, full on interestingly. I
found the patron of this wing here in Auckland is
John Key. And John Key himself knows what controversy is
all about because he was the center of the ammunition
when it came to dirty politics. He was accused of
feeding right wing bloggers information and made himself look.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
So clean he was.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
It was his office. Well that's what it was, he
and his officer. We'll talk to you later in rap
the political week that was. It's very super political. Senior
political correspondent. Beout quarter pass six right now seven away
from five. Heather, incorrect. It is the same odds to win,
but you have more odds of having to share the
winnings this week, Heather, think about it. More people buying
lotto cannot reduce the chance of winning. It increases your

(30:57):
chance of sharing the prizes. B thank you, Thank you, Rob,
thank you anonymous text beforehand. Five away from five. Oh,
it's really four away from five. To be fair, listen,
potent Potan has got a bit of a day care
problem that is bigger than just being a day care problem.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Potin.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I don't know if you're aware of this, but Putin
has exact replicas of his offices in different parts of Russia,
so that when you see him on tally or in photographs,
you don't know where in the country he is. It's
impossible to tell. He could be anywhere. And basically it's
to thwart potential attacks, right, And so what his offices
is like, Basically, it's this gigantic kind of mahogany square desk.

(31:33):
He's got three phones on the left hand side in
a row. He's got a lamp, he's got a computer.
He's got a really big TV on a stand in
front of the desk. Flags behind the wall. The walls
are kind of like a light cream, and then around
the doorways and various kind of bits there's a darker
cream and it looks exactly the same, right, except it's
not actually exactly the same. So what's happened is people

(31:54):
have now been studying this and they have found there
are a bunch of ways that the officers are just
even so slightly different actually tell where he is. So,
for example, the handle of the door that is by
the desk and his official residence at Novo Orgariyova just
outside of Moscow, is just slightly lower than the door
handles and the other two officers, So if he's got
a slightly lower door handle, they know where he is.

(32:17):
He's got wall panels behind him, and they're all exactly
the same, except the wall panel in the Sochi office
is about ten centimeters lower than the dividing But in
all the other offices the TV stands the legs in
two of them are curved, but in the one outside
Moscow the legs are straight. So now that it's been
I mean, this is like, if you think about it,

(32:38):
these guys mean serious business, Like this is very rookie
errors for them. I'm gonna have to redecorate completely, I think.
Deborah Russell of the Labor Party on Climate Next.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
The only drive show you can try the truck to
ask the questions, the answers, find a fag sack and
give the analysis. Heather Duplicy Ell and Drive with One
New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs
V Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
The world has failed to meet its big target of
limiting the rising global temperatures to one point five degrees celsius.
The UN now says that we are likely to breach
this threshold in the next decade. And they say this because,
of course, world leaders are making their way to the
COP thirty summit in Brazil, including a New Zealand delegation
of fifteen people, and among them is Debrah Russell, Labour's
climate change spokesperson.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Hello, Debrah cure, Heather, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Thank you? What is the point in going to an
annual get together that has already failed?

Speaker 5 (33:39):
All the get together hasn't failed.

Speaker 19 (33:41):
We actually need to keep on working to keep the
warming of.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
The planet as low as possible.

Speaker 19 (33:46):
Yes, we've missed that one point five but we can
hopefully still pull it back and the only way we're
going to do that is by all of us working together.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Why I say it's failed is because four cops are
got a cop twenty six. The whole point of the
thing was to keep one in five alive and it's
failed within four years. It's a failure.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Well, we still need to work on it.

Speaker 19 (34:05):
The fact is that we will be faced with absolute
disaster if we cannot.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Haul global warming in.

Speaker 19 (34:11):
Somehow, so we actually need to keep on trying to
find a way to do it. It does seem it's
a really hard task and we're not going to achieve
it unless we do actually keep on trying.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Okay, what is your plan.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
When I get there?

Speaker 19 (34:26):
When I'm traveling with the Minister's delegation, so I will
accompany him to some of his meetings. I also want
to find out as much as I can about me
sane and about some of the solutions for agriculture around
the world. That's a pressing problem for us in New Zealand,
and it helps as many of us as possible know
as much about it as possible.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Okay, what I was meaning is, do you have a
plan on how we manage to stay within one point five? Sorry?

Speaker 19 (34:51):
I didn't pick that up, not a detailed plan, because
it's very hard to do that from opposition. But yes,
I do think we need to look at getting our
transport fleet to electric as soon as possible. I think
we need to try to get our agricultural emissions down
while still keeping our farmers profitable. It will be hard,

(35:13):
but we've got to do it.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
It's too expensive. We haven't got the money on either
of those things.

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Actually, I disagree with that, Heather.

Speaker 19 (35:20):
I think in terms of once we start to make
this move, I think there we'll find there's plenty of.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
Money in it.

Speaker 19 (35:26):
There are ways, for example, to do solar power that
then is cheaper than fossil fuel power, and so on,
so we can generate money through green jobs and through
the whole transition through to a carbon Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
My gosh, you know what you give it you it's
triggering me. I feel like you're taking me back to
story days. What you guys need to do. Listen, this
is just a piece of advice. Anything that reminds us
of just sind it. Just get it out of the
vocab because it's a bad time for many of us.
Where do you stand on buying offshore carbon credits, yes
or no.

Speaker 19 (35:58):
It's complicated. I think we should be doing our bit offshore,
but one of the ways to do it is by
helping our Pacific neighbors with their carbon effort.

Speaker 17 (36:08):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But do you agree with the idea of putting money
towards buying offshore carbon credits to offset what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
No, I'd rather see us doing it on shore.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Okay, so that's an absolutely.

Speaker 20 (36:19):
No.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Labour's not going to send money overseas to plant.

Speaker 20 (36:21):
No.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
If we have to do it, we will. But would
you spend We don't know, because we need to put
our plans in.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Possibly twenty four billion dollars possibly twenty four and that's
a last count, not taking into account inflation. Would you
spend that much?

Speaker 12 (36:35):
Well?

Speaker 19 (36:35):
No, I want to try to do stuff on shore
as much as possible first.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And start is something that money tree now, not just trees.

Speaker 19 (36:42):
I mean there's ways to actually get our missions down,
not just to offset them. So really do need to
work on that. No, of course I want to keep
the money here.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Oh lord, we all do. Deborah, Thanks very much, appreciate
your time and enjoy Brazil. Deborah Russell, climate change spokesperson
eleven past five. Ever, the Retirement Commissioner is pushing for
changes to key we savor at no extra cost to
the taxpay And how this would happen would be to
increase the government's key we save a contribution for people
on lower incomes by taking it away from people on

(37:11):
higher incomes. Jane Wrightson is the Retirement Commissioner with us Now, Hyjane, Oh,
you make.

Speaker 21 (37:16):
Me sound so mean, Hello, Heather, Well, it.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Does it does? I mean, yeah, I mean Peter to
pay Paul. But Paul obviously needs it. So at what
point do you cut Peter off?

Speaker 21 (37:28):
You cut Peter off at a relatively high income level.
So what happened to earlier this year is that the
government decided to reduce its contribution to two hundred and
fifty dollars a year. Right, So people on higher incomes,
that's nothing. It's no motivation, it's no incentives, it's just nothing.
So people on lower incomes it makes a higher proportion

(37:51):
of their retirement savings over time. So the dilemma we
face when we published our review today, which is quite
a wide ranging look at what needs to change, is
that there are a couple of things that are really
quite important. One is thinking harder around parental even how
to cover that and fund that properly so that people
taking leave don't lose too much of their savings ability,

(38:13):
and thinking also about temporary migrants and how to attract
them and to stay in New Zealand. And that would
be to actually adjoining Gimizda, which I can't currently do.
So the problem about all that was, of course, we
sit at a fiscal envelope. As they say that the
total government spend on government contributions right now is about
five hundred and forty five million. Now I knew if

(38:35):
I went to Minister Willis and said could I have
a few squillion dollars to do something new, she would
laugh at me, so as she does with everybody else
who says could I have a few squillion dollars? So
we worked within the fiscal envelope and thought quite hard
about whether where the government contributions matter the most right
and they matter the most to people.

Speaker 22 (38:54):
On lower income.

Speaker 21 (38:56):
For people that earning less than thirty thousand, the government
contribution used to be about fifteen or twenty percent of
their total key with save of balance at age sixty
five and following the changes in this year's budget, it's
going to be around a reven For people over one
hundred and eighty thousand now don't get anything because that
was wiped. So the rich people are all dumb. And

(39:19):
for members earning say over one hundred thousand dollars a year,
the government contribution fell from about five percent of people's
balance to about one percent. And I don't know anybody
earning six figures who thinks that two fifty dollars a
year is meaningful. Therefore, let's put it somewhere where it
is meaningful.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
That's a fair point, Deborah, rather Joan, thank you very much.
I do appreciate your time so much as Jane write
some Deborah retirement commissioner. Deborah is on my brain, oh
five fourteen, Heather duper c l nebra is living read
three in my house, which is my head. It's because
the texts coming in about Deborah. I don't want to
be mean to Deborah because I really I think, I mean,

(40:01):
come on, you know she tried. You know she tried,
and she's a good sort. Try to answer the questions, Heather,
it's a junket. She's going over to find out more
about me. Thank come on, what a load of BS.
I mean, I know because if you want to find
out it was there any other place? Is there any
place better to find out about methane than New Zealand,
which is trying to advocate for the split gas. I mean,

(40:22):
we are like donkey deep in the methane, right, so
you could stay here. We know more than Brazil, Heather.
Deborah Russell's best response to questions to solve climate change
is that it's complicated. Get her off the radio. Craig
has just sent me the lyrics to Dream, Dream Dream.
All I want to do is dream, Dream, Dream, Heather.
Nothing is too expensive for labor to do. That is,

(40:43):
unfortunately the truth. Don't be too We're not going to
be too unkind to Deborah, okay, cause she is trying
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Speaker 1 (41:51):
Here the Duplasila yeather.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Deborah may be talking rubbish, but she does have a
wonderful speaking voice. We're going to focus on the positives today.
Nineteen past five. Now about this. A retirement village on
Auckland's north shore is looking at banning electric cars. Fairview
Lifestyle Village is a mediation with residents on the issue
because they're worried about the risk of a lithium battery fire.
Kirston Causon is the chair of Drive Electric and is

(42:14):
with us high Kirsten, Hi, Heather, is this reasoning?

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 22 (42:20):
No, I'm not sure that they've actually sought this through
and analyzed the data.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
What would the tellery thing? Did?

Speaker 22 (42:30):
Evs are twenty five times less likely to catch fire
than a picture or a.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Diesel vehicle, even just stationary.

Speaker 22 (42:39):
Even just stationary.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, what causes a petrol or a diesel vehicle to
just combust if it's stationary?

Speaker 22 (42:46):
Oh no, that's if you know, if it's in an
accident or you know.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
That's what I mean, like if you've got Because what
about when we just measure it, when it's just sitting
outside the house doing nothing. Isn't an electric vehicle more
likely to burn.

Speaker 22 (43:02):
Only if it's been damaged? And to be honest, if
you look at something like your cheap and cheerful power tools,
they're fifty times more likely to catch fire than an EV.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Right, So it's it not like because I think what's
happened here, Kirsten there's a lot of people have looked
at the examples that we've seen with you know, the
charging of the electric bikes and apartments in Wellington and
nick minute they're on fire and exploding in people's faces,
and people have then just transferred that over to electric
vehicles not a problem. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (43:29):
Look what you'll see with scooters and e bikes and
is that when they're imported, there's no certification on their
battery and there's no annual servicing on those batteries, so
they are far more likely to catch fire than an
actual EV that has a certified battery and has a
servicing regime.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Okay, is there a middle ground that we can strike
here with the residents the lifestyle village where maybe if
they're worried about these cars, these cars can just be
parked a little bit away from the the units or
something like that.

Speaker 22 (44:02):
Look you if you look at a country like Norway
where ninety percent of their cars, you know, new car
sales are electric now and thirty percent of their fleet,
you know they're they're not concerned about this. You know
they're not parking evs away. And when you think about
New Zealand, government has got a target that we get
to thirty percent by twenty thirty. You know, evs are

(44:25):
going to be the future of mobility. So if they
want to have a viable business, you know, moving forward,
they they have to accept that. You know, electrification is
going to be the mode of mobility in the future.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, Kirstin, thanks very much, appreciate your Ti'm Kirsten Causon
the chair of Drive Electric. Listen. We are going to
have to when we get a chance, and I suspect
it's going to be just before six o'clock, but we're
going to have to talk about Andy cost A's possible
payout because I think I have a suspicion you and
I may be paying maybe millions maybe, So we'll talk
through that. Also, there's a furrory over a literary journal

(45:02):
you've probably never heard of. It's called Folly, and Whitkeles
has pulled it because whitkle says it's too racy. But
it sounds like Folly doesn't know like what part of
it is so racy it has to be pulled off
the shelves. So we'll have a chat to them. This
is Folly, the editor in about fifteen minutes. Next up,
it's the BBC five twenty two.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with One New Zealand and the power of Satellite
Mobile News.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Talks nd B Heather.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
If Debraah wants to learn about methane, she could probably
try Google. It will give her heaps of info on
metho and heaps methane and heaps of other stuff as well.
I know, Grant, thank you for that five twenty five.
So the BBC blink first. It blink first. It's apologized
to Donald Trump for twisting his words. Now I would
love to say this is the first time that the
BBC has ever apologized to a sitting American prison, but
it turns out it isn't. In two thousand and three,

(45:54):
it apologized to George W. Bush for mistakingly cutting to
a clip of him having his hairstyled and his makeup
applied before he went live on Talley to announce to
Americans that the invasion of Iraq was underway. So an
apology has happened before. But you decide for yourself which
is more serious. The apology for Bush's makeup footage or
the apology for twisting Trump's words so it sounded like

(46:15):
he was encouraging violence at the Capitol when he wasn't
encouraging violence at the capital. Now, you know, there is
one word that I would use to characterize how the
BBC and its current and its former staff have behaved
in the last week, which is arrogance. The corporation didn't
apologize to Trump until the very last minute, until they
were basically forced to under the threat of his legal suit.

(46:36):
They should have done this basically two weeks ago when
they were first busted. They should have immediately owned up,
said yep, we got it wrong and apologized to Trump
for what they did. But probably actually for them until
they were forced to apologizing to the man that they
sneer at so much was just too much for them.
Former staff have made excuses. They've trivialized what the BBC
has done, They've minimized it. Even the former boss who

(46:56):
quit over this has pretended that it wasn't really that
big a deal because it was just being weaponized by
the BBC's quote enemies. Now you know what the problem
is here? I suspect it's that they actually don't even
think that this is this bad. They don't think that
what they've done is that bad at all. It turns out,
we now find out another program, Newsnight, has also weirdly
edited the same Trump speech. So maybe their own arrogance

(47:19):
and bias is so strong that they don't even think
even now that what they've done is something to be
ashamed of.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
CLS.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
So the Newsnight thing came out overnight. It's not as
bad as the Panorama one. This is what they had
him saying, we.

Speaker 20 (47:32):
Got to cheer on our brave senators and congress men
and women.

Speaker 16 (47:38):
And we fight, We fight like hell.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
And then this is the original.

Speaker 16 (47:43):
We got it.

Speaker 20 (47:43):
Cheer on our brave senators and congress men and women,
and we're probably not going to be cheering so much
for some of them.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I mean, one is so like one hundred percent so
much less menacing, isn't It didn't suit didn't didn't suit
the narrative at the BBC. Anyway, We will talk to Kaolivi,
she's with US correspondent quarter to seven. Next up, though,
let's talk about this literary journal and what what was
so racy that Whipples couldn't possibly have it on the
shelves and then the sports huddle.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 23 (48:31):
They'd be remember when we were driving, driving in your
car speed only.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
The residents mobil't hascooters are a bigger threat than the
ev is given that they are charged indoors. So very
good points. Now you'll have seen that the Convita takeover
bid has failed today. We're going to get you across
that after six o'clock. Also, by the way, if you
if you're one of those people who's like, yes, we
need to cap the rates, yep, stop the councils from

(48:57):
raising the rates. If you think that that's a good idea,
which I think is a terrible idea, I'm going to
tell you why it's a terrible idea. In fact, I'm
going to get somebody else to tell you why it's
a terrible idea. That person is Sue Heinz, the Northern
Beaches mayor from Sydney, who's in the country at the moment.
She's with us in the our's time, So stay tuned.
And also got the sports huddle standing by it's twenty
four away from six. Now we have a weird case

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of a bookstore pulling something off its shelves. Witkells has
hidden copies of Folly Journal around the country and are
now only offering Folly Journal when customers ask for it.
Emily Broadmore is the editor and is with us now. Hey, Emily, Hi,
thanks having me on. Thank you for joining us. Do
you know what you've done that's offended Whitkills.

Speaker 24 (49:37):
We're really perplexed. We're going through the journal and trying
to figure that out. Yes, there is a lot of
sexy stories, risque content, but there's also an interview with
the Reserve Bank chief economist that's really there's a couple
of sea bombs. Yeah, that's pretty hard to tell when
you think of other things that are struck at Whitkells,

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like Fifty Shades of Gray, for instance.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
We have no whips.

Speaker 24 (50:00):
We've got a lot, there's a lot of sex, but
there's no whips.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Okay, So is it just this s edition or is
it all Follies.

Speaker 24 (50:08):
Well, we've sold out of all the other ones, so
right now it's just this edition. But they have told
the distributor that they don't want our any more copies
in the future. Either it goes against their family values.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Oh, the family values that have them stocking fifty Shades
of Gray.

Speaker 24 (50:25):
Yeah, and all that romanticy where wolf romance stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oh yeah, that's pretty weird. Okay, And like genuinely, Emily,
they haven't explained to you what exactly it is that's
caused them to get so squeamish.

Speaker 24 (50:39):
No, we have no idea. We've just been told that
it's offensive. We can't figure it out. First of all,
we were told, look, they're just going to be under
the counter, you know, a bit like SIGI's and contraband,
and people can ask over the counter for it. And
we thought, okay, we can work with that. That's kind
of fun. But then we found out actually, no, they've
just been entirely removed and are in some backstock rooms somewhere,

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and it's very difficult to get hold of one.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Is it possible that it's because your journal looks like
quite a bit of fun and maybe kids look at it,
and but it doesn't really like it actually looks quite
grown up, doesn't it. It's got a very boring picture
on the front.

Speaker 24 (51:13):
It's a lady holding a spade, and a ball gown. Yeah,
it's a classy product.

Speaker 17 (51:17):
Here.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
It looks like what I'm trying to say is it
does it's not appealing to kids. It's it's quite clearly
adult content.

Speaker 24 (51:24):
Yeah, it's absolutely not something that's going to be given
to a child.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, I mean it is.

Speaker 24 (51:29):
It is adult content, but it's no more adult content
than any other riscuale or sexy story.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
What I mean was sorry, it did sound like I
was implying it like it's sexy adult content. I just
mean it. It is not intended for kids. It's it's
intended for adults. So it's not as if it's going
to be picked up and then they're going to come
across sea bombs accidentally. Emily, is are you appealing to
Witkills to re stock you?

Speaker 24 (51:53):
I would love them just to put it back out
on display because we are very The Christmas season a
big deal for our product sells really well over Christmas.
It's really popular with the men in their fifties sixty
seventies love folly. People buy it to give to their cousins,
their nieces, sisters, their dads. It's got really wide gifting appeal.

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We usually sell out right over Christmas. So the fact
that the stock they've got most of our stock right now,
it's just sitting and I don't know stock rooms or
nice so people are being told they can't get it.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
So it's not even a case of them sort of
not helping you. It is literally a case of them
holding your stock hostage. At the minute.

Speaker 24 (52:34):
Well, we don't know where it is, but we went
into two stores in Wellington yesterday and one said it's
completely not even on their database, and the other stores
said that they've got a few copies, but they're upstairs
in the back of the stock room, and it kind
of gave us this look like and I really don't
want to go up there and get them.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah, dirty people. All right, listen, Emily, good luck with
this because this is actually quite a shit situation and
I feel bad for you about this. Emily Broadmore, editor
and founder of Folly Journal. On the bright side, now
you now, all of you ladies with boring lives know
what to go and read. It looks innocuous but sounds
racy on the inside. No one will suspect anything. Happy
Christmas twenty away from six the.

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Speaker 13 (53:40):
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I know that some time to change for me.

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All Sport Breakfast and Wellington High Lads.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Good, good afternoon, Jim.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I need you to settle something for me. If you
are picked as an All Blacks bench player, is that
as prestigious as being picked as a starting player.

Speaker 13 (54:24):
That's a tremendous question. What a way to start twenty
years ago?

Speaker 16 (54:29):
No?

Speaker 13 (54:30):
Today? Probably yes? And if you look at the success
of the spring Box. Their bench is magnificent. Their beach
comes on and has huge impact and changes games. And
I guess, let me throw this back at you, who
was the player of the game last week when it
was Damien McKenzie and he came off the beach. Look,
it goes against everything that I believed in when I

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was coming up.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
As if you said to d mac what position.

Speaker 13 (54:56):
You want to start, he'd want to start one hundred percent,
he'd want to start.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Still more, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (55:00):
It's still more prestigious to start, But I think there
is not more important. Great way of saying it. That's
a great you are such a bright, intelligent young woman.
That's a brilliant way of putting it. It's not as prestigious,
but it's just as important because they do have a
huge amount of influence on the game in that last

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twenty to thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Right, Well, you've listened to that, coops, do you reckon?
That's a fair call from us?

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Yeah, fair? And it's interesting.

Speaker 25 (55:29):
You know, you talk about all black teams and you
always talk about right when when the team's coming out,
who are the people you put down first on the sheets?
Saying right, it's a non negotiable. You know, we've got
Artie at seven because you know he's vice Cats, and
you've got Scott Barrett there at four because he's the captain.
But then do you always say, now, well, is Damien
McKenzie at that level of you know, guarantee to be

(55:52):
in the squad when you name him in that twenty
two or twenty three Jersey? And I think absolutely he's
emerged as one of the All Blacks and World rugby's
best impact players. And over time, you know, if the
choice was for him to be an impact player on
the bench versus not being selected in the team at all,
then I think you do. You have to take that
and you have to accept that if that's your role

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in the team, if that's going to help you win,
win a game in the final twenty minutes like we
saw last weekend, then absolutely have him in there.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
That is his role. Twenty three Jersey, that's yours?

Speaker 16 (56:23):
Why not? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (56:24):
I think here the key point in all of us
is that every team needs a strong bench. So if
you stack your starting fifteen and you don't have a
strong bench, then you're in trouble. If I look at
the bench. It's going to come out against England. You
do have your Damien mckenji's and Wallace to Titis and
these sorts of people that are there, So you have
to have that impetus that impact that list in that

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last twenty minutes of the game, which is so different
to what it was, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years
ago sort of thing. It's a different game.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, and Coops, do you think if we win the
game against England, which we will, then that's it. We've
got the we've got the Grand Slam. We don't have
to worry about whales there.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Dundale, did you just say we're going to win the game?
We will? You said it as fact? Yeah, yeah, I
love your confidence. Header.

Speaker 25 (57:08):
This is certainly, for me, the biggest hurdle of the
Grand Slam Tour. I guess getting past Ireland in Chicago
was the first main one. But England's given the form
they've had, and you know, we talk about the bench
and look at how they've stacked there is her bench
reserves bench for this one very strong. I think they're
calling it the Pom squad rather than the bomb squad,
but it's it's stacked. This is certainly the biggest challenge

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for the All Blacks on this tour. You know, for me,
I'd like to have finished this year of looking at
the All Blacks and looking at their selections thinking does
Scott Barrett, does Scott Robertson have an ideal fifteen in mind?
How he's going to attack twenty twenty six next year?
I don't think so. We're seeing a few other tweaks
with the likes of Simon Parker Beck and other changes.

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Billy proped it back into the starting fifteen as well,
So for me, it's interesting to see that the personnel
changes are still happening leading into a big game like this.
So yeah, it's going to be fascinating watching.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
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in a tickets quarter.

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Speaker 3 (58:16):
Right You're back with the sports tittle Adam Cooper and
Jim Cayse Coops. Does it look to you? I can't
quite Have they actually made a decision or have they not?
This is the IOC on whether they're going to ban
the transgender women.

Speaker 25 (58:28):
Well effectively that's the message that you know, Kirsty Coventry,
the new IOC president.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
That's what she's campaigned on.

Speaker 25 (58:35):
That's what I believe a lot of people have voted
on in terms of her having that role as her
main mantra. That's been sort of the big message of
her getting on board. So they're effectively saying that, I mean,
it's it's not going to make the issue go away.
And I think what the Olympics are trying to do
here is they're trying to be like, ru, if we

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solve this, you know, a year out or just under
from the Winter Olympics, a couple of years out from
the next Summer Olympic Games, then maybe that'll stop controversy
at the time. But you know, when you're making a
blanket rule across so many different sports that you know,
the debate around transgender athletes is so different scientifically across

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different sports.

Speaker 6 (59:18):
It's a real tough one.

Speaker 25 (59:19):
But the Olympics here have got to make a stand
because you know, they've they've got to decide what they
want to do to avoid the debate when when the
Olympics are on. So I think, you know, she's promised
this and i'd be surprised if it doesn't happen from
him personally.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Jim, do you agree with coops that this is not
going to make the problem go away.

Speaker 13 (59:38):
No, it's not going to make it go away. It's
the most overtalked problem when you look at the percentage
of athletes that we're talking about, isn't it. You know,
talk about a tiny little piece of the tail wagging
the dog. I mean, it's important. It's very important to
the people who are affected by it. So not in
any way am I trying to mitigate that or less
of that. But we're talking about just a handful of

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athletes when you have two three, However, many thousand people
turn up at the Olympics. I'm often staggered by how
much time this topic occupies. But I agree with what
coops are saying, really, and yeah, it's the science around
the different disciplines. It's so different how you have a
blanket ruling on such a wide variety of sports as

(01:00:25):
big as belief. Really, But yeah, I think that she's
going to that's what that's what they're pushing for. But
it won't go away.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
No, it won't go away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:00:33):
The worst thing is that, you know, what happens in
tenieus time when there's a new IOC president, who's who's
got on has got a compete in different years? That
I mean, you know, every time there's a new president,
there's a new era of Olympic you know, management that
we're going to change in the marketplace to hear what they.

Speaker 13 (01:00:46):
Say, or when the science changes. What happens when the
scientists tell us a different thing about a different sport
and you've got to relitigate the whole thing again. So yeah,
it's vexed.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
It is an excess fair, fair, fair way to describe it.
What is going on? By the way, coops with the
wind the last T twenty that they played, the one yesterday,
they looked like they were over it from the start.

Speaker 25 (01:01:05):
Yeah they did, and it was it was a hiding,
wasn't it. But then you know that the Eden Park games,
the Sunny one of Nelson last Sunday, I thought, you know,
they turned out to be quite competitive games, and especially
that one of Nelson. You know it it looked as
though the black Caps are going to run away with it.
And then the Windy's in their chase right down to
the tail and they picked up up a bit of momentum,
So I think that they played a couple of competitive games.

(01:01:28):
I'm not saying this the series what was a complete
right off, So I'm not going to say they came
here without any insight to want to be.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Competitive, played two competitive games out of what four.

Speaker 25 (01:01:39):
Well, I think they showed right up until before yesterday
that they were testing the black Caps. And yes, it
was disappointing yesterday, but I actually really enjoyed the cricket
we saw from them personally. They got some great finishes
to games.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Any cricket is better than no cricket, you said, Jim.

Speaker 13 (01:01:53):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. I looked this so much
cricket that it wouldn't surprise me and I certainly would
have blamed them if the athlete concerned is thinking, oh, really,
we're going around again, are we? I mean, did they
play four games at Mount Longing to be in a
row or something like that. It's just there's so much
of the hit and giggle that how do you keep
up with it? And how on earth as a cricketer

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do you stay in thousda and motivated and you know,
and at the top.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Of your game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
It's November it's the start of the season and you're
you're like a Windy's player, you're over it already.

Speaker 13 (01:02:22):
Well, it's not the start of the season. It's the
start of the season here in New Zealand. But they
play all year round, don't they. Did the windows come
from Bangladesh or Sri Lanka or something on the way here?
There's just so much cricket that if you can keep
up with what cricket's going on and who's playing, what
which world comforts, then let me know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
You're the guy who's supposed to let us know. Guys,
thanks very much appreciate. As Jim Kays and Adam Cooper,
our sports hitdled this evening eight away for I've got
another transgender issue for you, and we're gonna have to
talk about Andrew Costa, let's do it next eight away
from six.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Oh yet getting some support on the idea that you
still want to be a starting player. Hither I agree
with you. Do you remember when John olom who shaved
the number eleven into his eyebrow. That's how much it
meant and us fun of vest Hazan's charity is called
the J nine Foundation because he wore the nine. The
game has changed since those legends played, but those starting
position numbers are still prestigious. Paul fairpoint. Okay, So first

(01:03:22):
of all, I'm going to tell you about what's going
what's going on with Andrew Costa. So this is the
question I have for you on Andrew Costa. It's five
away from six. Question is how much would you pay
to get him out of his job?

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
You've had a guts full of him, You've read what's
going on with the IPCA report. You've seen he's been
protecting his matejm mc skimming, jivim X skimmings, a creep
who's into Kenny paorn and dog porn and weird stuff
like that. Right, So, how much would you pay to
get Andrew Costa out of the government department that he's leading,
because it's potentially going to be expensive because this is
the thing. He hasn't done anything wrong in his job.

(01:03:55):
What he did wrong was in a previous job. And
there is no indication that he's broken since he he's
taken this job. No indication he's broken any rules or
failed to disclose anything during this time in this job
or in the lead up to this job. He got
this job in September, before all of this stuff went
to the IPCA in October. So I cannot see unless

(01:04:15):
it is unless there's something new that we don't know.
I cannot see how he has done anything wrong even
in getting his job, which means that to get rid
of him you may have to pay him out of
his contract. Now he's on a five year contract. He's
one year into his almost to the day, one year
into his contract, so he's got four years left in
his contract. Rich, you have to pay him out every

(01:04:35):
one of those four years he earns. Possibly it looks
like maybe five hundred and fifty five hundred and fifty
seven thousand dollars a year. So take five hundred and
fifty seven thousand dollars a year and times that by
four years, and what are you looking at? Two point
two million? Would you pay two point two million to
get rid of Andy? Cost? Because when I saw that number,

(01:04:56):
I thought he's not bad At the time, you know,
like that's two point two million dollars. You could do
a lot. That's a lot of nurses. There's a lot
of teachers. That's a lot of resources you're not going
to be able to use on something else. That's a
lot of other people's jobs. So I don't know. Anyway,
we'll talk to about Hery Sober. He's going to be
with us shortly wrapped the political week that was. I
haven't got time to tell you about this transgender issue,

(01:05:17):
but it is a little bit of a wrinkle on
how you actually enforce these laws and whatnot, so I'll
get that to you next. We're also going to talk
about Convetus takeover bid which failed today. Paul Robert Shaw
is the Octagon chief investment Officer, and he will explain
to us what's going on here. News tooks they'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Fine, fine, what's up, what's down? What were the major calls,

(01:05:56):
and how will it affect the economy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Of big business?

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Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Even in coming up in the next hour, Sydney Mayor
is going to talk us through why she thinks that
capping rate rises is a really bad idea. Barry Soper
will wrap the political week that was for us, and
we will go to the UK with k Oliver at
seven past six, So we've got potentially more trouble for
the cash strap honey company Comvita. Convita shareholders have voted
today against the takeover offer from Florence. The deal to

(01:06:32):
buy Convita for eighty cents a share needed three quarters
support from shareholders to go through. We don't have the
official vote count yet, but we know it was short
of that margin. Paul Robertshaw is the chief investment officer
at Octagon Asset Management and with US.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Now, Hey, Paul, Hi, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
I'm very well, thank you. What happens now?

Speaker 16 (01:06:49):
Hi?

Speaker 17 (01:06:49):
I think in the board pointed out and its presentation today,
and they've got to go back to the balance sheet
and look at the various ways that they can remedy that,
because just waiting for operating improvement is probably not going
to be quick enough for the bankers. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, they've got a cash flow problem, right, So do
they have to sell some stuff?

Speaker 21 (01:07:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:07:04):
I mean they've done a reasonable job liquidating inventry and
they've already sold some superus assts. I think they'll try
to do a bit more of that, but it's not
an easy environment. So those things so, you know, as
they warned everywhere and the management team, the board and
the independent report, the capital raises probably quite likely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Is it possible that the company could actually fold?

Speaker 17 (01:07:26):
Oh, anything's possible. I mean, if you can believe the
management strategy and the future EBIT, which I think they
reconfirmed earlier this week thirteen and a half for the
next year of that keeps growing and returns to something
like twenty million over time. I think it's got a
sustainable business but you've got to get through the balance
sheet first.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Is it possible that Florence could come back with a
raised offer?

Speaker 17 (01:07:49):
Again, anything's possible, But they've been pretty firm around this offer.
They are offering seerholders away not to dip into their
own pocket and let Florence deal with that. Yeah, so
they may decide there's not enough up side when what
was anything of value ninety two cents. That's only fifteen
twenty percent upside from here from eighty cents, So maybe
it's not life in it for them to raise the price.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
There was some talk of one of the co founders
putting together an alternative plan. Any sign of that yet.

Speaker 17 (01:08:14):
I would have loved to see it, Heather, because it
would have given me some reason to think that he
had a better strategy than the balld To one. But
I've seen nothing, so we're still waiting with bated breath
on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Paul, do you think that the shareholders have made a
mistake here?

Speaker 17 (01:08:30):
I'm not going to talk for other shareholders, but I
thought this was the best deal that was on the
table and likely to beyond the table if they raise money,
let's call it forty cents, when are UNI it's going
to see eighty cents on the shares you've already got.
I think a bird in the hand in this case
might well have been the right. Well, that was our
care and we were happy to support the bird.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Now, how is it even that Conveta has ended up
in such a dire situation?

Speaker 17 (01:08:53):
I yeah, I mean, I guess they had a CEO
and you've got it back the CEO. That's the way
companies work, and that strategy. But when it became clear
that China was slowing, that the market was a massive
over supply of honey hives doubled nearly tripled at the peak,
you needed to change the strategy, and they've just been
far too slow. They tried to hold pricing, hold inventores.

(01:09:14):
They probably needed to act far more aggressively in the
marketplace and around their own honey procurement two years ago,
two and a half years ago. So it's it's been
in the works for a while and the market hasn't
hasn't got better or good enough to bail them out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, you sound exasperated, are you.

Speaker 17 (01:09:31):
It hasn't been a good investment for us, Heather. We've
been there for a while and it's a tear outed
a lot, and we think putting more money in without
some well, you know, there is a strategy there, but
we're short on execution. That's a brand new management team.
They've got to deliver things. The market still hasn't fully
rebalanced in terms of inventory. You know, we're taking more
risk by not accepting the offer at eighty cents.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Yeah, hey, thank you very much. I really appreciate you
talking us through that, Paul. Paul roberts Or, chief investment
officer at Octagon Asset Management.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Heather d.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Some of these suggestions for Costa are cruel, Heather, Keep
cost or employed, make him turn up to work, every
single day. But give him a shite office and give
him some very boring work to do, but he must
turn up every single day. Andrew, you're basically driving him out,
aren't you? Performance managing him out?

Speaker 21 (01:10:16):
Hither?

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
And what about this from Bob Hither, I say, make
cost A workout his contract or he resigned with no payout,
the absolute shame for him in every way. I bet
he would resign and get head off overseas. How good
would that be without having the taxpayer to do the payout?
Somebody suggested making him turn up because yeah, here we
go from Mossie, because basically he'll be completely ostracized in
his current workplace in zero time and he'll be left

(01:10:38):
with no other option but to resign. It's very practical.
We're very practical people, as New Zealand does, aren't. We
look at a situation we go, hmm, we could pay
you out two point two million dollars or we could
kind of just low level bully you out and it'll
cost us nothing. But let's go for that. Yeah, I
don't hate that idea. Now listen, what I wanted to
tell you about this transgender sport thing is that there's

(01:11:00):
a little bit of a bit of a test on
here about what we're doing with the transgender transgender players.
Back in on the first of June, the Football Association
in the UK decided that transgender players would not be
able to transgender women would not be able to play
football against cisgender women. And so what has happened is

(01:11:22):
that so you would expect, Okay, that's the rule, everybody's
going to say, well, no, people have not been sticking
with the rule. There's a women's football club that has
deliberately flouted the rules and a number of times since
the rule came in on the first of June, they've
had this woman on the field. She's been in several
photographs on the club Facebook page. They haven't hidden it
at all. It's been right there for the Football Association
to see and the Football Association's done nothing about it.

(01:11:44):
Now it's only after the media and some women's sport
advocates got involved that her resignation, that her registration for
the club was canceled and they dealt with it then.
So it raises a question right that there may well
be it maybe be a little bit of this shiftiness
going on. You've got organizations going all right, yep, that's
the right thing to do. The public wants us to
do this. We're going to ban the transgender women and

(01:12:05):
then they go, yeah, but they can just carry on playing.
So you know, you can see how that's going to be.
As as somebody said earlier, was Adam Cooper said, it
doesn't make the problem go away. Doesn't make the problem
go away. Barry Soapers. Next thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
EDB, the primary school principles of school, complaining about the
curriculum changes. I'm going to ruin you through that shortly.
You can make your own mind up about that. Sixteen
past six, Wrapping the political week that was is senior
political correspondent Barry Soaper. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again. Heather
so I spoke about Andrew Costa's possible payout earlier in
the show. He hasn't gone yet. It's not wrapping up quickly.
How long do you think it's going to take.

Speaker 16 (01:12:59):
Well, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question, and in
fact it would be considerably more than that, I would imagine.
But look, Brian Roach, he's a bit of a tough
cookie and he'll be doing all the negotiating with Andrew Costa.
I think you know Andrew Costa's credibility has taken a

(01:13:20):
significant knock here. And I guess what they'll do is,
even though the IPCA report or the investigation began after
he resigned the commissionership, it will be what he told
the interviewing panel and what he didn't tell them that'll
come down to. I guess how much that payout will

(01:13:41):
find it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
But if you think about it, he got this job
in September last year. The IPCA did not start looking
into the Gemmick skimming stuff until October. He hasn't done
anything wrong in his job. Well, even in getting the job.

Speaker 16 (01:13:55):
Well, you know, the upper echelon of the police at
the time, they seem to be up for MC skimming.
And you know, going into a new job doesn't exonerate
him from the stuff that he did earlier. And I
think that'll be a big barry.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Think about it. Employment law, you cannot be fired from
the job that you currently hold for a mistake that
you made in a previous job.

Speaker 16 (01:14:15):
Well, it's this is a public service. So you're going
from one chief executive's job the commissioner, to another and
another agency. And I think you'll find there's not so
much of a strong line between when.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
You see you don't think he's going to get paid out.

Speaker 16 (01:14:30):
Well, I think you'll probably get a payout, yeah, but
depends on how bigness payout.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Will How is that going to go down?

Speaker 16 (01:14:37):
Not very well, I won't go down now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
The Maori MP. So it seems increasingly like what is
going on here is there is maybe that the center
of gravity is shifting here, right, and that actually the
real Maori Party is not the Maori Party being led
by Debbie and Rawiti, but it's actually been shifted to
the ones who've been kicked out.

Speaker 16 (01:14:55):
Look, it's not an attractive thing for any political party
to go through this, and I don't think I've seen
a political party in such a bad shape other than
the crumbling Labor Party of David Long at the end
of their tenure. But look, it really is very difficult
to decide who is right and who is wrong in

(01:15:17):
all of this, although Dame Nader Glavish I spoke to
her in Australia this afternoon and she clearly is of
the view, and certainly Takuta Ferris says that he's been
told by her that John Tammerherry should be gone, and
if he's gone, of course his son in law Rawa
Rewhite Tie and his daughter who also was on the

(01:15:39):
executive of the party, how they'll have to go as well.
So look, it's a real mess. And whatever way you
look at it, it looks as though it's a fifty
fifty split. At the moment you've got a Reny Kuiper.
She seems to be with Takuta Ferris and Marimeno Marameno. Yes,

(01:16:00):
so look, how are they going to resolve this? Who knows.
I don't think it's resolvable with the current players in
the plot. I think that they will have to be
heads roll. Although you'd say that well, John Tammy Harry
would certainly say the heads have already rolled, and that's
in the two MPs has been expelled.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Can I suggest to you that if the center of
gravity shifts to the two have been expelled. The Maori
Party dissolves because they don't have John Tammerheady's funding, and
that is significant. Oh, they will not be the force
that they are.

Speaker 16 (01:16:32):
Well, what is John Tammer Harry's funding.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Oh, it's significant. I'll run you through it in just
a minute. It is really big. Hey, what's your view
on the opinion polls out this week?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:16:40):
Well, you know, it goes to show that. You know,
there was an expression that was made, I think it
was by David Longie that you can't believe in pole
driven fruitcakes. And you know these poles. You've got labor
at thirty eight percent in one and at thirty three
percent in the other. So I don't know one's a rogue,

(01:17:01):
one's not. And you know, but what they do say
is that labor at the moment is more popular than
what national is. And for some of us who watch
politics pretty closely, you would say that's not all that surprising,
although there shouldn't be such a big gap that, you know,
to turn this economy around has been a painful exercise,

(01:17:23):
but turn it around that's exactly what they're attempting to do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Barri thanks very much. Appreciate. It's very Soper senior political correspondent. Right,
I'll run you through those numbers next six to twenty one.

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Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Us talks be Okay, here we go. So Bryce Edwards,
I'm quoting from a piece that Bryce Edwards has done
on the Maori Party for his Integrity Institute email that
he sends that was actually really good piece of unplining
a bunch of stuff that's interesting, but especially how much
money John Palmerhead has been putting in quote, the party
failed to disclose three hundred and twenty thousand dollars in
donations on time in twenty twenty one, with one hundred

(01:18:07):
and fifty eight thousand dollars of that one hundred and
fifty eight thousand dollars of that coming from John Palmerhada
personally and forty nine thousand of that from the Urban
Maori Authority. The why Paraeta Trust was deregistered as a
charity of inappropriate loans to the Maori Party. This pattern
suggests a party built up through top down organizational muscle

(01:18:28):
and wealthy insider connections rather than organic community support. Now
that's just one year, right, that's just one year that
we know of that he's put one hundred and fifty
eight thousand dollars of his own money in So can
you imagine what it is over a number of years.
This is why they can't get rid of John palmerheada right.
They can have all the fights that they want to,
but they can't get rid of him because the man's
got the pootia the money. Then then Bryce goes on

(01:18:48):
to say, neither faction here deserves sympathy. The leadership's expulsions
show all authoritarian instincts, but the opposition's coup plotting exposes
personal opportunism. The real losers are Maori voters who believed
in a movement for empowerment. They were handed a party,
a party built on family networks and centralized control, and
more concerned with who held power than how it was used.

(01:19:10):
The Maori Party's rapid rise and collapse will stand as
a cautionary tale performance without principle, activism without accountability. The
demise isn't just likely, it's already underway, and he makes
an excellent point, right, because these guys are fantastic at
the performance of politics, but they actually don't know what
the hell they're doing and it shows all of the time.
And if you don't know what the hell you're doing,

(01:19:30):
you end up like this six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
And os to nominated actress is breaking Hollywood norms by
coming out against intimacy coordinators. Do you know who Florence
pw is. Florence Pugh is. She was in twenty nineteen's
Little Women, she was in Midsummer, She's the new black
widow in the Marvel movies. She doesn't love the direction
that she gets when it comes to filming the nudie scenes. Now,
an intimacy coordinator a job that was created in the

(01:20:01):
wake of the Me Too movement. It's basically a choreographer
for sex scenes and they make sure that the actors
are comfortable with the actions that will happen and that
no boundaries across and stuff like that. But Hugh was
on Louis Theroux's podcast and she said it can actually
get in the way of her performance.

Speaker 26 (01:20:16):
It's a job that's still figuring itself out and what's
allowed on camera and what's not allowed on camera. All
of that is also arranged with your lawyer, because that
has to be put into the contract a nudity rider,
what you are allowing and what you're not allowing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
And it will be spelled out, yes to the point we'll.

Speaker 26 (01:20:32):
Say yes, what will not show will show?

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Hmm, sounds really sexy and sounds like because you know
a lot of a lot of I'm not an actor, don't.
I mean, I did theater class, you know, so when
you've got to get in the moment and it's not
really going to be in the moment when old mates
going No, she said she doesn't want to show her nipples. No,
she doesn't want to your tatars on camera. Stop that
plays that really kill the buzz, wouldn't it. Hither are
you a little dumb or just full on stupid? Lower

(01:20:58):
Hut increased rates seventy per two years ago. If council
rates aren't cap at say, five to six percent, they'll
keep financially shafting us every year. And we can't afford this. Jake,
Let's talk next to Sue Hines of Sydney Mayor over there,
and you can decide for yourself.

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Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Right, I have to tell you about the primary school principles.
We're heading off to the UK in about ten minutes time.
Right now it is twenty five away from seven. Now
will a cap on rates solve our financial problems? A
New South Wales mayor whose city implemented them told a
Local Government New Zealand conference today that we should be
very careful what we wish for. Sue Hines is the
mayor of Northern Beaches in Sydney and Australia. High suit. Hello,

(01:22:01):
what's your experience of a rate cap?

Speaker 27 (01:22:04):
My experience of a rate cap. I've been in local
government now for about twelve years and this i've been
through too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Well.

Speaker 27 (01:22:14):
Every year there's a rate cap in New South Wales.
So we have a rate capping system where an independent
body decides what percentage our rates should go up to
cope with all the renewal and repairs of infrastructure, and
quite often that number or that percentage number that's chosen
is nowhere near the reality of how much it actually

(01:22:36):
costs to repair things. So over the last ten years,
many councils in New South Wales are slowly being strangled
to death with their lack of funding coming in for
the enormous costs of looking after a local council.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
So is it not even enough what you guys are
bringing in, Is it not even enough to cover just
basic maintenance and repairs.

Speaker 27 (01:23:01):
I would say that's probably close to the truth. For us,
we have at least two major weather incidents every year
that need repairs. We have a lot of flooding on
in our area from Manly to Palm Beach in Sydney,
a lot of coastal erosion at least, and we can

(01:23:22):
have bushfires as well. So we have at least two
major weather events where there is damage to infrastructure, whether
it's roads, bridges, that kind of thing, and it will
mean that we have to apply to the government for
some disaster fund recovery. Quite often, even if we're successful,

(01:23:42):
we don't get as the amount back of what it
costs us to repair it, and quite often we don't
get paid it until about four to six years after
the event actually happens, So you end up being a
little bit of a credit card where you're handing out
the money and hoping money comes in to fill that
credit card payment.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Does it not have the effect like having a limited
pot of money which you're constrained by. Does that not
have the effect of forcing you to cut your cloth.
So if somebody comes up with the idea of having
a really nice light installation down the road, no, you
can't afford it. Like anything that as a luxury just
gets cut.

Speaker 27 (01:24:19):
It does make you think very carefully about what the
bang is for your buck that you're going to get,
because you want to make sure that everything goes further
and makes a difference. However, it does mean that like
you're also looking at where the biggest cost savings can be.
So it might be things like certain type of led lighting,

(01:24:42):
which we did and that saves us about one and
a half million dollars a year. But you're also you're
also getting a bit strangled by the fact that you're
being really deliberate now about what you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Can and can't afford.

Speaker 27 (01:24:57):
So the nic to haves which make your commune needy
a special place to be does start getting a bit strangled,
and we do love. We know that for people's own
social and mental well being, creative, being immersed in the arts,
having things like libraries.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Are really important.

Speaker 27 (01:25:16):
And these are things that we don't really want to
pull back on because we know that those things are
important for social cohesion.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Okay, so it seems like we are sitting at opposite
ends of a spectrum here. You guys are incredibly constrained
with what you are able to spend. Our councils in
New Zealand, on the other hand, are profligate, right. They
just spend like it's unbelievable the crap that they spend
money on. So maybe your examples not not where we
want to be, but where we are is also not
where we want to be. So what's the solution in

(01:25:44):
the middle?

Speaker 27 (01:25:47):
I think, And I could hear from the leaders that
I was listening to this morning, they're obviously trying to
find a model that works. And I would say, don't
look at New SOUTHWAYI because I can tell you where.
Like I said, we're being strangled to death here with
the tap being tightened and tightened and tightened on us.

(01:26:09):
But the reality of it is, I think, I think
there really has to be a very open and strong
discussion about what is it that the community actually want,
because it's very easy to turn this into a political
argument and where it'll be very easy for one side
to go we don't want to rate rise because we

(01:26:29):
care about our community, and of course everyone goes yay,
that's how I feel too. But the reality of it
is you need to have funding in there. Most people
don't understand how complicated a council is. You need to
have funding up your sleeve for things like unexpected weather events,
the assets, the bridges, everything else that needs to be

(01:26:50):
maintained to just keep it at a satisfactory level. Doesn't
even have to be at a great level, but you
need to have it at a satisfactory level that people
kind of can use things that council provide safely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Yeah, fairpoints, Sue, thank you very much for your time.
I appreciate it. Sue Heinz, miror of Northern Beaches in Sydney,
New South Wales, nineteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Either dup c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
This is a genuine question do we still have taxi stands?
Because I was asked about I was I met somebody
for coffee this morning and it was it was on
Ponsonby Road and the person's from Wellington and so they obviously,
you know, maybe don't spend that much time on Potsterby Road.
And they were like, right, where's the nearest taxi stand?
And I looked at them like what the.

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
Well, they're time traveler.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Yeah. I was like, would you what about a telegraph?
Would you like that as well?

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
It was so like I was like, Wow, where's the
nearest phone booth?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
No, I kind of like I don't think we And
then I thought about it and I was like, no,
we do have taxi stands at the airport. And then
I asked the guys that worked and they were like, yeah,
sky City, But does sky City still have taxi stands?

Speaker 18 (01:27:52):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Do you go to sky City and you still see
taxis waiting there to pick you up? Do you how
much time are you spend in gambling?

Speaker 13 (01:27:59):
German?

Speaker 17 (01:28:01):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
But how often do you? Like, I think, are just
a line of taxis?

Speaker 16 (01:28:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
She says that that they're on the regular, So I
know that they're at sky City and they're at the airport,
but we don't have taxi stands anymore. A oh, and
the beehive, the bee hive. The Parliament has still taxi stands,
but there's not real like nobody does taxi stands anymore,
do we? We don't. Anyway, I did say look that,
I said to them there's this thing that you like,
everybody's using at the moment. It's called Uber and I

(01:28:28):
was like, just you're welcome, good luck with that. So anyway,
the primary school principles, so they can't because of course
they're not going to let up on this business with
the curriculum stuff and what Eric is doing, because Eric
is making far too much progress for their liking with
children and children's learning. So they can't possibly bring in
the curriculum changes. It's just so stressful they may have
to quit. I know the NZDI, which is the primary

(01:28:51):
school union, so yeah already, yeah, I know it's biased,
but the union has done a pole and it's found
that ninety seven percent of primary principles feel the timeline
for the new curriculum changes is unrealistic. Ninety nine percent
of them report that the pace of curriculum change has
placed significant additional pressure pressure on Timuwaki and principles, and

(01:29:13):
then seventy three percent of them three quarters of primary
school principles. Three quarters of primary school principles are likely
to leave the job within the next five years because
of quote, the workload and the well being impacts of
the curriculum changes being rail roaded by this current government.
I mean I noticed the language there is not unbiased

(01:29:35):
being rail roaded by this current government. Look, I mean
this kind of nonsense from unions. I'm sorry, this is
not you're not getting You know who everybody knows who
you need to win over in any situation is the
lady in the family. Okay, this is what the market,
This is what they realized in the advertising agencies in

(01:29:56):
the nineteen sixties. If you want the family to buy something,
you've got to say sell it to the woman and
the agent. The political parties have also realized the same thing.
It's the woman voter you want to win. So let
me tell you what a woman's perspective.

Speaker 6 (01:30:08):
On this is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Oh, you can't do your job. Why don't you come
and talk to me about how I'm doing my full
time job while I've got two children under the age
of four. I've got one who's not even one year old.
And I came back after three months maternity leave. You
don't hear me complaining about changes when news talk said
B says, hey, we're going to do some changes. I
don't go, wah, can't do that. I've got two children. No,

(01:30:29):
I don't know. I've got too tot. No, I don't
say that. I go, okay, let's do my job. So
unless all seventy five percent of them have toddlers and preschoolers, shush,
I don't want to hear it. Do your job. Sixteen
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
That there are still taxi stands in lower Hut Hither
Talkadora has a taxis from Big Jay the trucker. Hither
this still taxi stands and livin. I think this's a
small town thing. But have you guys not have you?
Here's the question, do you have the Uber or has
the Uber not come to your town yet? Thirteen away
from seven? K Oliver UK correspondent with us al okay, hello, Heather,

(01:31:19):
how are you? I'm very well? Thank you now I
take this as a signal. The fact that BBC has
apologized to Donald Trump, I take as a signal of
quite how serious this is.

Speaker 18 (01:31:28):
Well absolutely, I mean this is screaming through the headlines.
They have basically had the sort of dumbacles hanging over
their heads one billion pounds threat from Donald Trump apologize
or face the consequences. So they have now apologized for
the editing of his speech on Januy the sixth, twenty

(01:31:48):
twenty one. They've called it basically an error of judgment
and they've also said it will not be broadcast again
on any of the BBC platforms. However, they say there
is absolutely no basis for defamation and therefore the public
broadcaster hopes to swerve this massive lawsuit. Waiting for the

(01:32:10):
response from Donald Trump. They've also sent a personal letter
the BBC chairman Sam Chah has personally apologized. But this
whole thing comes as it's also been revealed that two
years earlier, obviously this is the whole thing has been
around this Panorama report. Two years earlier, on another flagship program, Newsnight,

(01:32:31):
there had also been what appeared to be a splicing
together of this Capitol Hill speech that Trump made fifty
four minute gap where these two sound bites were put together,
and on this newsnight program there was a former chief
of staff of Donald Trump who actually pointed out live

(01:32:51):
on air that that wasn't how it happened, and that
one got buried away as well. So let's see what
happens now with mister Trump and and the one billion lawsuit,
because the BBC must have their fingers cross that this
is not going to happen. We've already had the resignation
of the Director General and the BBC head of News.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
It's pretty serious, Okay, our regel reefs. So is she
not going to put up the income tax on the budget?

Speaker 13 (01:33:17):
Now?

Speaker 18 (01:33:18):
Well, this was seen as a massive u turn. It
seems that the manifesto pledge of not putting up in
income tax, they're going to adhere to it, because I
think they could see that without it, they were really
looking at shaking everybody up in this country. It would
appear that what they're going to do is have a
look at freezing tax existing tax thresholds. So in other words,

(01:33:42):
I think the basic rate of pay is you don't
pay twelve and a half. Maybe they're going to freeze
that for another couple of years, so that basically people
move into these tax thresholds. Another one they were looking
at was inheritance tax. Pensioners were panicking. It's still quite
not clear how she's going to fill this massive black hole.
I think they came in with a twenty two billion

(01:34:03):
black hole and now it's even larger. But they are
certainly thinking that they can't break a manifesto pledge and
perhaps inevitably face a call for a general election.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Hey now I saw that Fergie's planning to flee to Portugal.
Who's in Portugal? Where's she going to live in Portugal?
Why Portugal?

Speaker 18 (01:34:21):
Well, her daughter, Princess Eugenie and her husband Jack brooks
Bank have actually got a three and a half million
pound luxury seafront home south of Lisbon, and it will
be there that the guest suite is being prepared. She
has to get there in January when both of her

(01:34:41):
and Andrew mount Batten Windsor will be leaving Royal Lodge.
I think he's going off after Sandringham. But it was
always Fergie that was the one who was kind of
which coast would she go to where she can sit
in some bathe all day? So it looks like she's
off to Portugal.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
Not bad, not bad at all, Thank you very much.
Look after yourself, Kay Oliver, UK correspondent Heather. We went
to the theater at the Civic and then we had
to walk all the way down to Brito Mart before
we saw a taxi stand that by the way. That's
quite the hike, Like, I reckon, that would be it'll
be a k k and a half k and a half,
wouldn't it? Would that be a k and a half?

(01:35:19):
Hats I feel like that's a that's a little hecre
you do on the regular from what were sorry, Civic
theater down to Brito Mart.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
Oh, that's not a k and a half?

Speaker 15 (01:35:28):
Surely, Oh that's that's like that's ten minutes, isn't It's
ten to fifteen minutes?

Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
How long is that?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
In my wall?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
That's two k's, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:35:35):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Okay, No, hold on, that's okay, that's okay. We sound
we sound like we're sound afore. I just feel like
we're losing a lot of credibility. So you weren't even
listening to your own show just before you had to
repeat myself hither my counsel in farga day takes rates
and spends it on a heap of bike racks for
electric bike charging that beverage what that, and then hit

(01:35:56):
us with a seventeen percent rate rise. Stick to the
nice to have and stick them up your bump and
I thank you.

Speaker 16 (01:36:02):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Look, I don't know. I'm not convinced by the rate rises,
by the cap on it. I just am not at all.
But I want to see some way of making counsels
spend their money more wisely. And I think it comes
down to ultimately who you elect. And I think that's
the only solution. Eight away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Heather. Is it possible actually? This is from Dylan Heather.
Is it possible actually that Andrew Costa has brought his
employer into disrepute just because what happened was in a
past job. I don't think matters.

Speaker 10 (01:36:35):
That is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Actually that's a fair point. I tell you what, when
I said it was talking about it earlier and how
much it was going to cost me, A cost ask
costs all of us. Even my boss was so infuriated
by what I said that He called me in the
news break and he was like, yep, you are just
winding me up. And I was like, no, I'm not
winding you up. And then we had a chat about it,
and then I think in the end he might have
agreed with me. But actually, had he heard Dylan's argument,

(01:36:58):
it might have it might implicated him. Hither. I'm the
primary the chairman of a primary school board.

Speaker 21 (01:37:03):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
We've got a two hundred and twenty kid roll. We
employed a principal last year. Her rate is one hundred
and eighty five thousand dollars. It's not bad, is it.
I'll do that?

Speaker 27 (01:37:12):
Should we do that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Beat because the German and I are very efficient, because
you'll find this about mothers, especially mothers of very small children,
very efficient. So what about that we split that income?
Like if the principals don't want to do their jobs,
we'll do our jobs and run the children. And then
I'll go half of one eighty five, You go half
of one eighty five, will split their job. Yeah, it's
only four hours a day each year. You're right, Yeah,

(01:37:34):
we can do that hard out yea watch out. Principles
will come for your job at.

Speaker 15 (01:37:38):
Coo far By Dilgit Dosange to play us out to
night and I'm so sorry that any Punjabi listeners for
that pronunciation.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
I really die.

Speaker 15 (01:37:46):
Yeah yeah, So he played at Spark Arena in Auckland
last night, getting rave reviews both by the New Zealand
Herald and another outlets as well. Absolutely huge. I had
never heard of him until today, but apparently in terms
of the Punjabi in the Bollywood world, this is a
really big name and just packed out Spark Arena.

Speaker 6 (01:38:04):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Gonya did not even come up on the concert clubs like.

Speaker 15 (01:38:07):
Listen, I'll tell you what, Yes, stick and a stick
on there because he's been here before. He's been here
in twenty twenty three as well, so might be back.
So then you guys can get on that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
Yeah yeah, we're going to Lenny Kravitz tomorrow night, and
I'll tell you what. We are all praying for a
split in the pants, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 (01:38:21):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Don't look at it at work? And how how long
is the difference from how long from Civicta Britain.

Speaker 15 (01:38:26):
Mark nine hundred minutes?

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
You get that's not a bad day. See you on Monday.

Speaker 28 (01:38:32):
Alma Busy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
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