Labour Leader Chris Hipkins says he's not clear what the Government's aiming for in its plans to change local government.
It's proposing replacing the country's 11 regional councils with boards made up of local mayors.
Hipkins agrees there's an obvious need for change.
But he told John MacDonald he thinks this looks like an attempt to make councils amalgamate.
Hipkins says if that's what they wanted, they should have told councils to go away and amalgamate.
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