Full Show Podcast: 29 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast
from News Talks at B. Start your weekend off the
right way. Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks at B.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
In a good morning, Welcome to News Dogs V Jack Tame,
there's my name. I'm with you through the midday today.
How do we feel about avocado and desserts. I'm gonna
be honest with you. I love I love avocado, I
love dessert. But avocado and dessert I've never been totally convinced.
I can see how. Yeah, the creaminess, the nothing, the

(01:07):
good fats in avocado might make a dessert. But before
ten o'clock this morning, we're going to endeavor to convince me.
We've got an avocado chocolate truffle recipe that apparently is delicious,
so our food. He's going to be in very shortly
with that. And for the first time in almost twenty

(01:27):
five years, Russell Crowe has Awards Buzz for Best Actor.
So two thousand and one was when he won an
Academy Award for his performance in Gladiator. He is the
star of the new film Nuremberg. He plays Herman Goring
and I've seen it. It is a pretty incredible film.

(01:48):
I'm going to tell you more about Russell Crowe's performance,
and after ten o'clock this morning, the director of Nuremberg,
James Vanderbilt, is going to be with us, so really
really looking forward to that. Right now, it is eight
minutes past nine, Jack, So there's an issue that's kind
of burning away at the moment, affecting thousands of honestly,

(02:09):
probably tens of thousands of us, that I don't think
is getting anything like the attention it deserves. Three additional
colored sand products tested positive for asbestos this week, so
two on Monday and then another one on Thursday, all
of them additional brands sold at discount shops around the country,

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to add to the products that have already been announced
in the colored sand recall earlier this month. Now I'll
put my cards on the table. Our eight year old
is at a school that has been affected by the recall.
They had to shut the school down for a day
they tested and found traces of asbestos. A number of

(02:50):
classrooms have been affected, and even though the testing found
no traces of asbestos in the year, for at least
the remainder of the year, the school has been thrown
into a situation where they are trying to teach the
same number of kids as always, but in far fewer classrooms.
So it means, you know, kind of ad hoc cramp

(03:12):
learning spaces. In two classrooms, they're going to have to
rip out all of the carpet, rip off all of
the wall coverings, get rid of all of the soft furnishings,
do it all with asbestos protocols in place. Other classrooms
require professional deep cleans. It's not clear if the work's
going to be finished in time for term one next year,

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and the cleanup is going to cost tens of thousands
of dollars, But as we were informed in a letter
home this week, surprise surprise, no one wants to pay
for it. The school's insurance won't cover it. The Ministry
of Education won't cover it. Kmart, which in the schools case,
had sold the dangerous product, has directed them to the

(03:54):
manufacturer in China. As it stands, the school is expecting
to have to cover the cost of the cleanup. Money
that should have been spent on educating children will not
be repaid. How many New Zealand schools and early learning
centers face a similar situation. Well, all we know is

(04:15):
that as of yesterday, nine schools or ecees had tested
positive for asbestos, one hundred and twenty nine was still
waiting to confirm their testing results, although the Ministry of
Education says it's just a voluntary reporting system at the moment,
which honestly seems inadequate to me. But the number theoretically
could be higher. Right, and think about it from the

(04:37):
school's perspective, I mean, you can hardly blame the schools
for this situation. They weren't negligent. It's not like they
knowingly painted their classrooms with lead paint or something stupid
like that. They bought a children's product that should have
been ideal for creative learning from reputable retailers with an

(04:58):
entirely reasonable expectation that it would be safe. And now
that this has been discovered, it's not like they can
just ignore it. Right, schools that are testing instead of
just quietly getting rid of the products, I mean, clearly
they are doing the right thing, even if the risk
is super low. What parent would allow their child to

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be taught in a classroom that was testing positive for asbestos?
What teacher would teach in it? In my view, it
would be a great injustice if the schools that are
doing the right thing and handling this crisis ended up
significantly out of pocket. I mean, surely our consumer guarantee
and product safety laws retailers can't simply abdicate all responsibility

(05:49):
and palm off the affected schools to distant manufacturers. And
even if legally they can, surely there is a moral
responsibility to do the right thing. One obvious measure that
I think would help the affected schools is a collective
legal efforts so that they are not all fighting for
redress or for compensation and isolation. It's the sort of

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thing you would reasonably expect the Ministry of Education to
help with in coordinating once the test results are confirmed everywhere.
I think at the moment we're what three weeks in.
There's no telling where this whole thing is going to
end up. But while at least their classrooms will be safe,
if schools end up footing the bill for all of
the testing, all of the cleanup of a product they

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reasonably trusted, at the end of the day, it'll be
our kids who pay the price. Jacktam ninety two ninety
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(06:57):
as well as interviewing the director of Nuremberg be fourteen
o'clock this morning. We've got your film picks for this weekend,
two rather different, different but cracking sounding films to share
with you. Very shortly. Kevin Melon will be in to
kick things off for us in a couple of minutes.
Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. It's Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tame in this this News talks 'd be.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks'.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
B sixteen minutes past nine on News Talks, he'd been
thank you very much for your text this morning. Jack
definitely should be on the retailer's shoulders to cover the costs.
The Ministry of Education should cover it in the short term,
and then they should sue came Art and the other
retailers as a collective. I mean, it just seems to me,
I'm I would be lying if I said I knew

(07:49):
every single word and every single implication and requirement on
retailers under the Consumer Guarantees Act, but it does seem
to me extraordinary that retailers wouldn't have ultimate liability for this.
If retailers and obviously manufacturers, but retails as the kind
of front window or as the shop window, the literal

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shop window in this case, didn't have responsibility for this.
But at the very lest I just think there's a
risk that schools are being forced to kind of fight
for this in isolation at the moment. And yeah, I
you know, it would just be so frustrating when you're
dealing with all of those immediate health and safety issues
trying to make sure that your space is safe for children,

(08:34):
to then be thinking where are we going to find
the tens of thousands of dollars that it's going to
cost to cover all of this. I'll get to more
of your feedback in a couple of minute. Heaves A
text coming in ninety two. Ninety two is the text
number if you want to send us a Kevin Milne
is with us this morning. Kelder Kevin, good morning.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Good a Jack.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Good on you for getting into the subject.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
And it is outrageous, isn't it that a real retailer
can abdicate responsibility in the way and direct customers to
manufacturers in China For goodness sake, I think I did
know those consumer laws back to the front in my day. Yeah,
so it's fifteen years and so they.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Have fair go.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
There may have been some changes, but in the past
you could not do that. No, you took responsibility yourself. Yeah,
and you may want to share the costs with the manufacturer.
You may want to bundle all your costs over to
the manufacturer, but that was up to you as a
retailer in terms of your relationship with the with the consumer,

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you had to sort them out.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think it's an important point out. It's not just
came out who's been selling the sand? So they were
the ones who were selling the sand that we had
for which we had the original recall. But so in
the last week it's been revealed, you know, they've done
more testing and the found that these other colored sand
products three this week that have been sold at different
places also have traces of asbestos in them. I mean,
you know, I think it came out as being a

(10:02):
pretty responsible retailer personally. I mean, they've had huge success
in the last few years, huge growth across the country
in the last few years. So yeah, you'd certainly look
to them and expect them to do the right thing.
So yeah, I'm glad. Well maybe we can get you
on the case, Kevin fifteen.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Years back off the story BlimE me.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Yeah, this is where you needed fair go really.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Absolutely absolutely no. I mean, I think I think it's
outrageous that schools are being at the very least feel
like they are fighting this on, you know, by themselves
at the moment. I think it's out rageous and underreported.
So we're going to bang the drum, Kevin. We're going
to bang the drum and we will. How you want
to give a little bouquet to a little home business
this week that fixes puzzles?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, well that's home.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Here, we have a vintage wooden children's puzzle nineteen fifty s.
I'd guess it's a toy family of six, with each
member of the family hand painted on a thick wooden piece,
a thick piece of wood that fits into identically matching
slots on a varnished wooden base.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
So you got these these figures.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
And you slide them into a little into a little
I don't know indent in the in the wood. Each
wooden painted family member has a distinct sort of cutout
shape to match the slot on the board. Our kids
enjoyed it a lot, fitting each member into the slot.
We we had it out to give to our grandchildren

(11:29):
to play with, but Sid, our one year old retriever,
found it first. He bit the head off the father
of the family and swallowed it. We were sad about this.
It was a beautiful old toy. But my wife Linda,
who's a kindy teacher, heard there was a one woman
business in Tawamutu that fixed puzzles. It has the lovely

(11:52):
name All Better, the sort of thing you say to
a kid when you've fixed something. Anyway, we sent the
precious puzzle with the headless dad off to Janus it
All Better into Owamutu, with no great hopes that its
vintage charm could be recreated. Well, the puzzle was back
in our letterbox five days later. It looked stunning. Clearly, Janice,

(12:17):
who runs the place, knows a thing or two about
vintage artwork and puzzles. But why I tell the story
was that with the puzzle came the invoice for exceptionally
skillful work. The bill came to twenty three dollars fifty,
which included Freighton handling of thirteen dollars fifty. In other words,

(12:38):
Janis did this outstanding work for ten bucks. Yeah, yeah, Jack,
We've heard a lot this week about how our giant
industry is are turning the economy around, and that's great,
But I think of Janice doing brilliant work on her
own in Tiawa Mutu. In my mind, she deserves as
much credit as the CEO of fon terror. So if

(13:01):
you need kids puzzles, fixed listeners, Janie's email address, we'll
be up on news Talk sedb's website to be online.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
So yes, it's going to gi Yeah, yeah, well it's
going to take a run off.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, she's not going to get a fright because I
rung up and I said, look, I want to do
something to help you. This is fantastic the work that
you've done. And so she knows that she may get inundated,
but we'll see what happens. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Hey, Kevin, bit of a moment last night at Tving's.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Oh yeah, which i'd been there, you know, I think
in a way, Simon's kind of my link with the
people that are now on TV. Yeah, and it would
have been a great opportunity to have caught up with
all you all you guys, there's no there are very
very few opportunities for that.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm sorry you went there. It
was it was a really special moment. So Simon Dello
read his last bulletin having been a TV did for
I think thirty years, and and came out and then
you know, and they did that, you know. He I
just thought it was like so professional, up to the
up to the last you know, syllable of the last word,
like it was just it was classic Simon.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
He's utterly professional.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Actually quite America now and well back in the when
I was around there, quite Alarican outside of the Yeah yeah, yeah,
he likes to have a bit of fun.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, absolutely, he certainly does. He is a real character.
But and he came out and you know, everyone everyone
was there, and you know, there was just some lovely
speeches and and it was a real sort of moment. Actually,
it felt like it felt like a really kind of
significant moment.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
It was.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was very special.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
So that's right. He deserves the brilliant farewell.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah absolutely, Hey, thank you so much given. We will
keep moving, catching him very soon. Kevin melm with us
this morning. Like he says that email addressed to be
up on the News Talks, he'd be website before ten o'clock.
That avocado chocolate truffled recipe for you. Next up, we'll
catch up with our Sporto get his thoughts on Liam
Lawson's last couple of races and if one this season,

(15:17):
and whether or not he's likely to be racing again
next year.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack team
on News talksb Jack.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The importer and retailers of any product should play or
pay all of the cleanup costs for these products. We
have New Zealand's standards gone, says Howard. Johno points out
that over the past few years, the electoral profession has
been dealing with removing and replacing faulty and dangerous bathroom
heaters that were imported from China. This cost was carried
by the wholesalers and the installers of the appliances. You

(15:52):
would assume, rightly or wrongly, that the same provision would
or should apply and that the importer slash seller of
the product would incur the liability costs. Yes, you would,
John Oo, I think quite quite reasonably you would think
that definitely jacket should be on k Marden the other
retailer's shoulders to cover the cost. The Ministry of the
Education should be putting it up right now. Thank you
for that. Ninety two ninety two is our text number.

(16:13):
If you want to send us a message, you know
what to do. Jack and newsbooksb dot co dot nz.
It as the email address. Andrews Saville was there for
Simondello's last bulletin last night. Did you kick on sev No?
Did you very professional?

Speaker 7 (16:25):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I had I had a grizzling baby, so we brought
the nine month old baby and so he could witness history.
He was pretty well behaved.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
I might lovely to see him too. He's a he's
a cute we button. He looks like you. Not that
I'm saying you are.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I'm blushing.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Your lovely wife said that. He I said, does he
look like Jack when he's a baby, And she goes, no,
he looks like Jack when he's older.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah. Now, so yeah, I was to be fair.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Mister Benson. Button and your mate.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, I was just I was a bit of a
minger as a baby. I mean, if if there's a
time of life.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Makes you say on the quiet to me, she said,
you were quite ugly as a baby, is it?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I was. I was.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
So so it's good that he's looking like you now.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, he's an independent analyst. So my aunt see me
a text this week and it was that she'd taken
a photograph of me as a as a baby, sitting
there with her and my mum, and the message she
said was haha, the nongy looking kid as you nongy.
I hadn't even heard that word nongy g y. And

(17:31):
then she said, sorry, nong he's not really politically correct.
And I was like, well, it's actually a fear call.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I do look like a family can't take the mickey,
No one.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Can, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Anyway, it was quite an emotional time last night, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I'm sure a lot of people would have been interested
around the country seeing Yeah, seeing Simon for the last
time and quite an emotional fearwell. So yeah, so what
happens when you're in people's living rooms for twenty odd years.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Right, Yeah? Absolutely, absolutely so. Liam Lawson hasn't had a
great run so far and cut out although he does
like the night races, doesn't he? So he said what
qualifying for the first sprint races? I think as we
were at how, how are you feeling about the situation,
because it sort of seems to me like they said, oh,
we're going to make a call earlier, and then they've
delayed making the call and the delayed making it again,

(18:17):
and I'm part of me wonder is like if the
more they delay it, the worse it is for Liam,
But I don't I don't have any kind of fancial
basis for that. I'm just just vibing it.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
It's amazing, isn't Maybe maybe they know behind closed doors
and it's just a little bit of a smoke screen
with all that jockeying for position and other teams for
next year. But not a great way to handle people
if this is the case. I remember talking to someone
ages ago and they labeled Red Bull as a career
killer the whole team when Lee was having his difficulties
in the top team. But I think he's done quite

(18:47):
well this year. Look he you know that that demotion
if you can call it back from from red Ball
to Racing Balls. He's stuck fast. I mean that mentally,
very trying time.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
To its young. There's a young guy three right can
be put through that and the you know, with the
millions of people who are watching that around the.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
World, the world spotlights on you, the social media getting
into you every second day. It's it's it is madness,
and it's taken some real mental strength, I'm sure from
the kid to to go through the season and stick
to his guns and focus. So I think he's done well.
I would be very surprised if he's not on that
Racing Balls team next year. I think Sonoda is the

(19:28):
one at risk out of those four seats, the biggest
risk out of the four seats.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
And although he.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Did yes seven and what liam seventeenth in sprint race qualifying,
which isn't great, he has raced quite a bit in
that area of the world in I F two, F
three I think as well, and then if one, so
he's reasonably familiar with the track. So hopefully anything can
happen in those sprint races, anything can happen in the
Grand Prix on on on Monday morning. But yeah, he

(19:56):
needs some he needs it was. It was just a
real motor racing era last weekend, wasn't it when he
crushed on that first the first lap early in the race.
Just one of those things I was saying to someone
the other day. You know, in a footy game or
a sports team game, if you make a mistake, you
make up for it, right, you can carry on and

(20:18):
come back. But in the split second, in a millisecond
and a blink of an eye, and if one if
you make a little era or someone else makes an ERA,
your race is gone. So that's the it is so
cut through.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Hey, what are you making of this drama at the
top of news Owner Cricket.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it fascinating? How netball has had
major major issues in the last few months inzre and
New's in a rugby can't find a CEO, and that
cricket is having some real issues. It's been bubbling for
a while. Jacket, it's coming to a head over this
proposed new t twenty league, which would be backed by

(20:54):
private backers, private franchise holders. My understanding is it wouldn't
cost enz cricket assent. I think it would be good
for the game. It would add some interest around the
holiday period in January, would be a razzle dazzle sort
of competition. The Super Smash is okay, but a T
twenty league here needs a real big boost and that's
private money right. It's coming to a head. Understanding is

(21:18):
amongst the six major associations around the country there's a
real lack of confidence and that especially the CEO and
a lot of the board. There was supposed to be
a meeting on Thursday, I think it was between all
the major association Cheers, CEOs and n ZC. That didn't happen.
It was called off, so watch the space for more developments.
My understanding is there are sort of employment issues going on,

(21:39):
legalities at the top of NZ cricket as well. So
not great for a sport going through constant change, I suppose,
and sport that does need eye balls on it for
the future. I mean the Ashes series, that two day
test was just out of this world, just bizarre. So
that's created a lot of attention. But New Zealand Cricket

(22:02):
needs the right sort of attention. Let's not forget starting.
I think it's Tuesday, the only test series of the summer. Yeah,
between that Caps and the West Indies, so that may
well take some good on field focus away from what's
happening off.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, are you Russell crow Ran? Yeah, I am.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I loved Gladiator. I think I've watched it about twenty
or three. You know, it's one of those movies you
hop on a long flight, yeah, and you think how am
I going to pass this time? And you flick through
the classics and he's Gladiator and.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Are you not entertained?

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yeah, just yeah, it's he's in a Newberg.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's interesting because he's so he plays Herman Gouring and
and I mean he is really good. He speaks in English,
which is interesting with an accent. But it basically kind
of follows the relationship between Gouring and a psychologist and
American psychologist who was analyzing him in the lead up
to Nuremberg and then as part of the Nuremberg trials.

(22:58):
So it's really interesting. But we're talking to the director
of Nuremberg after ten o'clock this morning. Thank you very much, sir.
We will catch you getting very so Andrew Savile our
Sporto right now. It's twenty five to ten enemy.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
Then it brings my heart old when I've as curly nicking.
The most advis home in the bedroom would have been
in this Tonightticulously you do anything Morning to the Morning.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
That is Ed's share and the song is called Skeletons.
So he's just dropped a deluxe edition of his most
recent album Play. The first version of Play had thirteen tracks, right,
pretty reasonable, pretty standard. The deluxe edition has twenty seven,
so he's more than double the initial count. But I'm
sure the d fans won't be upset about that, right.

(23:56):
It is twenty two minutes to ten on Newstalks. Francisca
Rudkin is our film reviewers. She's here with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Killed her.

Speaker 9 (24:03):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Hey, we're gonna be talking to James Vanderbilt, the director
of Nuremberg, after thirteen o'clock this morning. I know that
you're probably going to do that next week, but have
you seen it yet?

Speaker 9 (24:14):
I have, and I'm very excited to say that. We
are also talking to Russell Crass tomorrow, but we're going
to talk about Nuremberger also going to talk about rugby
league and winning Oscars and singing and all sorts of stuff.
Do you think, really is it's fabulous?

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Do you think he's going to be like he's an
Oscar's territory.

Speaker 9 (24:32):
Yeah, possibly, yeah, possibly, and yeah, and he's really interesting
about them. I ask him, you know, whether he gets
involved with the hype. And he's really interesting about his
is in my twenties, I was all in. It was
really important. And he has quite a different approach to
it now and quite a different approach to acting. It's
a fascinating interview.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Oh, very good, fantastic.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
Oh it's a Bogames today, Yes, James Day two.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, so we've got we've got a couple of films
to talk through this morning. Let us begin with the
film streaming on Netflix at the moment. This is Train
dream This.

Speaker 10 (25:10):
Is right work film, not just on the boat. We
just come down two years with any five many years
I've said, some man soul where they're recognized it or not?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Okay, that is Trained Dreams. Tell us about it. France.

Speaker 9 (25:33):
Oh look the trailor did not promote that film.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well I could only understand what he's saying at first,
but yeah, there is that.

Speaker 9 (25:40):
But watching this film was the best part of my week.
This is a devastatingly beautiful film on Netflix. It's been
going into cinemas just very briefly before hitting Netflix, and
that is so that it can be eligible for the
Award season next year. Directed by Clint Bentley, it's based
on a Novala by Dennis Johnson. It stars Joel Edgerton's

(26:01):
Listi Jones and William H. Macy. It is Look, if
full on actions you're thing, and you know comedy and
stuff is your kind of thing, This isn't a film
for you. This is a film for the discerning film lover,
an art house lover, someone who was really happy just
to sit and let a film unfold and you just
kind of get drawn into this beautiful meditation of life

(26:22):
and what it all means and its purpose and things
it really is. It really is quite stunning, and it's
really a story. It just about an ordinary man's life. Look,
we followed that this character Robert for eighty years of
his life. He was an awphume. He doesn't know who
his parents were or how they died, but he was
sort of brought up in Idaho and he kind of

(26:43):
wandered for a bit and then became a logger and
was doing a lot of work. This is at this
sort of the beginning of the nineteen hundreds on the
Great Northern Railway and then he finds purpose in his
life and he meets Gladys played by Felicity Jones. Johel
Edgerton is Robert, and they fall in love and they
build this beautiful cabin by a river. They have a
very simple life. They work hard, you know, and just

(27:08):
as they're sort of starting to get to a point
in their lives where, you know, Robert may no longer
have to leave home for months on end for the
logging season, a tragedy strikes and Robert Hadden has to
kind of recover from that, and we just follow him.
He's an observer of the world.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
He is haunted by.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
An awful thing that he saw happen when he was
working on the railway, whereby one of his coworkers, a
Chinese worker, was thrown off a bridge and killed. And
he's haunted by that, and it kind of he feels
that something bad is about to happen because he couldn't
stop that that that was going to affect his life.
But he's just an observer. The amazing thing about the

(27:50):
period of time that this film was shot is that
the whole world is changing. It's gone from a very
manual world to technology and innovation, and this train is
opening up America and he goes from an acts to
a chainsaw. So we're also just seeing how the world
changed so dramatically over these eighty years of his life,
and he's just trying to find what his purpose and

(28:11):
his meaning is. Joe Edgerton is fantastic. I think what
I loved about him was he was happy to be
that observer. I can imagine another actor coming in going,
oh my gosh, I'm going to win and Oscar for
this and I'm going to really throw myself at There'll
be a lot more yeah done. But he doesn't. He
just embodies this person and this character. It's just the thought.
I mean, I did cry Away. It was just it

(28:33):
was just a couple of hours of absolute beauty this week.
I loved it. So it's on Netflix. This is a
little quiet yeah, yeah, just you do just need to
sink into it. It's slow and ponderous. It's a slow burner,
but I just loved it.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
That sounds fantastic. Okay, thank you. So that's Trained Dreams.
It's streaming on Netflix at the moment. Your next film
for us is in cinemas. It is completely different, to
say the least, there's this Christmas karma. These kids should
be arrested for making such a terrible noise like somebody's
on the Northwest.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
And listen, Free Spirits will come to you tonight.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Danda Dan So this is a Bollywood inspired British musical.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
This LUTs. I know that there are people out there
that the minute December hits, they just love tuning through
Christmas film. So if you are looking for something a
little bit sentimental in sweet, you might want to try
Christmas Camera. I don't know how many adaptations of Charles
Dickens Christmas Carol there has been. It's like it's its
own form genre, to be honest with you. And this

(29:45):
one is directed by Grinda Chada who did Bend It
like Beckham, so it was really interested to see what
she did with this film. And it is this crazy
mix of kind of Bollywood and to Mine and then
it's infused with kind of Latin and South Asian and
African culture and history. It all takes place in London.
The swifts from on all these ideas this film, and

(30:09):
some of them stick and some of them don't. I
think probably the main problem is that the budget for
this film isn't quite what it really needs to be,
so it looks it feels a little bit more like
sort of a TV movie or a TV series, and
it does the film, and I think if a little
bit more money had been thrown it, it might have
be able to pull it off a little bit better.
Knar Naya from Big Bang Theory. He stars as our scrooge,

(30:30):
mister sud. He's exactly as you expect. He's grumpy. He's
this typefisted businessman. He's a Hindu, so he doesn't understand
Also why in London, why it's filled with all these
different cultures, many of them who don't believe in Christmas,
who drop everything to celebrate Christmas. But he's got this
really interesting backstory Jack and he's part of the Ugandan
South Asian community that was expelled and sent to Britain.

(30:51):
And it's happened when he was a child. So this
is the interesting thing, right. Some of this is really
kind of obvious and fun, and then there's these really
interesting kind of other aspects in there. It talks about
racism and racial discrimination and refugees and fitting in and
assimilation that all these other ideas forgiveness and things. But
it's all a bit natty. I mean it starts Hugh Bonniville,

(31:12):
who's in it for about five minutes even long Goora
stars as one of the spirits, Billy Porter, and boy
George turns up and even Boy George to me, so
if you didn't really look like in you when he
was doing there. The music's by Gary Barlow, to be honest,
the songs are quite memorable. So look, it's just it's
just it's.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
A bit of Christmas. Yeah, if you.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
Love, if you like Christmas, I think you'll probably Christmas movies.
You don't mind them, Send me one sweet. There are
some moving moments in the film, but I just think, wow,
there's a lot going on.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah yeah, okay, it sounds entertaining, if not necessarily great,
like yeah, yeah, busy. So that's Christmas karma that's showing
in cinemas. Francesca's first film is Train Dreams. That's the
one on Netflix, and both of those films will be
up on the news talk he'd be website. I just

(32:03):
so you know, this problem with a three to twenty
planes seems to be worldwide at the moment, so basically
all New Zealand flights with A three twenties both three
in New Zealand and Jetstar can't do anything at the moment.
They're stuck on the tarmac. So our team in the
newsroom are trying to get the very latest and trying
to get a steer on when the Jetstar and in

(32:25):
New Zealand authorities are expecting things to improve, but like
I say, it looks like a bit of a global
issue at the moment. So anyway, we'll have an update
for you eighteen o'clock in the news when we get
that through. If you are planning on traveling or someone
in your family's planning on traveling sometime today fourteen to ten,
we've got that beautiful sounding but maybe controversial avocado and
chocolate truffle recipe for your next.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through
the weekend News TALKSB.

Speaker 12 (32:54):
Frye.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Now it is eleven minutes to ten on News TALKS'DB,
So after ten o'clock this morning, we are going to
tell you about the final season of Stranger Things. Stranger
Things has just been one of those streaming era of
shows that I think has cut through with audiences more
than any other You could probably list, honestly, you could
probably list them on like a couple of hands, the

(33:17):
number of shows that have had the same kind of
impact as Stranger Things. So it is the final season.
Set in the nineteen eighties in Indiana, a group of
young friends witnessed supernatural forces and secret government exploits and
then go searching for answers. And there are all sorts of,
you know, all sorts of extraordinary mysteries that they get

(33:38):
ahold of. So we're going to tell you about that
in our screen time segment. After ten got two other
shows to recommend as well. If you're looking just for
a nice weekend, veging out on the couch, totally relaxing,
we have you covered right. Margot Flannagan, one of the
two Raw Sisters, is with us this morning with this
week's recipe, and we've chosen an avocado chocolate truffle recipe

(33:58):
and Margo I started the show by saying, I'm not
sure about avocado and dessert. Convince me.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
So many people say this, Jackson, don't judge a book
by its cover, Guys.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I get it. I mean it's nutty, it's rich, it's creamy,
it's fatty. I can. I can theorize why avocado and
dessert is a good thing, But maybe I just don't
think that dessert should ever be healthy? Is that my
Is that my reticence to you? Reckon? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (34:25):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (34:26):
I mean I think it's it's good when it's with
dark chocolate because you don't notice the avocado is there
so much like it's not green in any sense. You know,
you can't. You can't notice it at all, but it
gives you that really delicious creaminess.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah right, okay, so rass through it.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
So it's so easy. All you need to do is
add avocado's to a blended. Now this is great because
use those kind of brown avocados or ones that have
maybe gone a bit over right, you can kind of
you can. You can get away with the with the

(35:04):
not so good guys in here. So leave the good
ones for your salads, and if you have a brown one,
save it and make these truffles. So add avocado to
a blender with one hundred and fifty grams of melted
duck chocolate, and then we've got two tablespoons of melted
coconut oil. Now you can use extraversion olive oil that's

(35:26):
really delicious with chocolate, or you could also use butter
as well, melted butter, and then we've got two tablespoons
of maple syrup. If you don't have maple syrup, use honey,
use coconut sugar, use any sweetening you have at home.
You could even add a overrite banana in there, and
then a good generous pinch of sea salt. Blend it

(35:48):
all together and that's it, and then put it into
a bowl and let it set in the freezer for
a couple of hours, and then roll it into truffles
and you can we've rolled them in cacar powder, or
you can use cocoa powder, or we've also rolled some
in kkan nibs, which give it a bit of texture.

(36:09):
But they are so easy and you can actually also
use this as a cake icing. Oh the just had
her daughter's first birthday yesterday and we made this truffle
max for the icing and it was delicious.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
What a good idea. Yeah, that's great, And just like
there's definitely richness in their ra between the I mean
the avocado, but whether you go with the olive oil
or with the coconut oil or whatever, yeah. Yeah, it's
nice and nice and rich but also not crazy sweet.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Could you know everyone should get around it? It's so good.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Do you reckon? Like, what about like an avocado that's
getting a bit kind of getting on?

Speaker 14 (36:47):
You know?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Could you use an avocado?

Speaker 12 (36:50):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Right, you know when kind of they start to smell
a bit funny like off, I wouldn't use those that
I would, but if it's brown, or it's quite stringy,
or there's any sort of imperfections in there, Ross very
fussy with her avocados, right, So if there are any
imperfections in there, make this recipe.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah cool, Hey, thank you. That sounds amazing. That's Margo
Flanagan of the Two Raw Sisters. You can hear more
of them, of course, on the Two Raw Sisters podcast.
And we're going to make sure that recipe for avocado
chocolate truffles is up on the news talks head Be website. Jack,
Why are children playing with colored sand at school? You
can do that at home, right, Yeah? They use it
for creative things, so they make like pictures out of them,

(37:30):
and they like stick the sand and kind of make
you know, make tactile artworks. I suppose you described them
as Jackson is Harry, the importers who failed to check
the product was safe need to pay for remediation. They
need to pay for the testing, They need to pay
for everything that the schools are going through at the moment.
Thank you for that. Ninety two to ninety two. If
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Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
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Speaker 2 (38:00):
Be right now. It is four minutes to ten on
news talks Head. So after ten o'clock we're going to
catch up with our text Bert, who's going to tell
us about a really interesting new deal with some of
the world's most successful and popular musical artists and an
AI company. Basically, it's giving the company a license that

(38:25):
will mean they can opt in for AI versions of
their voice if you follow it so feasibly. I think
it means that you might hear music with your favorite
artist's voice that they never actually sang. I'm not sure
about this one. I'm not sure about this one anyway.

(38:47):
At the very least, the artists are going to be paid,
which I suppose is better that it could have been
in a worst case scenario, but our textbit's going to
give us a bit more detail on that. Straight after
the ten o'clock News, James Vanderbilt, the director of Nuremberg
eighty years since the trial, has produced an incredible film.
He's going to be our feature interview. News is next
though it's almost ten o'clock a Saturday morning on Jack Tame.
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Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Tame.

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Speaker 2 (39:40):
You're with Jack Tam. Good morning and welcome to news
talk'd be. I'm read you through to twelve o'clock today.
Eighty years ago, Nazi high command we're put on trial
in Nuremberg. In a brand new film, Nuremberg follows the
lesson on lead up to official proceedings as a psychiatrist
evaluates the psychological fitness of detained Nazi officials.

Speaker 8 (40:05):
Justice Jackson, they captured Herman Gooring alive.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
The governments of Russia, France, Great Britain, and our United States.
We'll put these men on trial for their lives. Doctor
Keurley will expect and ensure the prisoner's mental health.

Speaker 16 (40:20):
Is highly intelligent, charming and a narcissist.

Speaker 10 (40:24):
I'm going to escape, saying man very sure, no man
has ever bitten me.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Best known for scripting blockbuster hits, an edge of your
seat thrillers like The Amazing Spider Man and Zodiac. James
Vanderbilt wrote the screenplay for Nuremberg and directed the film,
and James is with us this morning, keld To, Welcome
to the show.

Speaker 15 (40:46):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Nuremberg is an extraordinary film. It is affecting and it
feels timely. What is it about this story that you
wanted to tell?

Speaker 15 (41:00):
I mean so many things, you know.

Speaker 17 (41:02):
It was I first came to it thirteen years ago
and I read a book proposal by a guy named
Jack L. High, who ended up writing The Nazi and
the Psychiatrist, which was the book the film was based on.
But it was only five or six pages, and it
sort of talked about the psychiatrist Douglas Kelly, who Romi
Malick plays, being called in at the end of World
War Two to go and evaluate the surviving Nazi high command,

(41:25):
including Herman Goering, who Russell Crowe plays, and it was
so it was so fascinating to me because it was
a period of time I thought I knew a lot
about I studied it in school, like we all sort
of do in the States, and yet I knew nothing
about this. I didn't know there were psychiatrists in the
US Army and World War Two. I didn't know that
this whole situation had transpired. I didn't know the US

(41:49):
Army and many of the other countries had no interest
in putting the trials on in the first place and
had to be talked into it. So it just was
such an incredible story that really happened. It was the
fastest I ever said yes to anything in my life.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I felt exactly
that I'm way, and that I felt like I had
a sort of an understanding, you know, a kind of broad,
if somewhat loose, understanding of the history. I knew about
the trials, I knew about the process and establishing the court,
but I had absolutely no idea about this character, Douglas Kelly,
who kind of fulfilled in extraordinary role. But clearly the film,

(42:27):
as much as it is about the Nazis' atrocities, is
really about a relationship between two men, between Rhymy's character
and between Russell's characters, So can you talk to me
about your approach and trying to describe that relationship.

Speaker 15 (42:42):
Well, you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 17 (42:43):
One of the first movies we talked about with Silence
of the Lambs and that idea of the person going
into the cell and sitting with the prisoner, you know,
And in our film, they're both trying to get over
on each other a little bit. They're both trying to
get something out of each other. Kelly's trying to get
you know, Girring to open up for a book he
wants to write, you know, and he wants to understand

(43:05):
what is the nature of evil and what makes the
Nazis different from the rest of us. And Gurring is
trying to get something out of Kelly, you know, he's
trying to get over on him. He's trying to get
his last moment in the sun in the courtroom. And
so that relationship was something we talked a lot about,
and I sort of loved the idea of these two
men both trying to play each other and yet at

(43:25):
the same time connecting in a way that neither of
them saw coming, and that to me just felt delicious
in order to play and as I started researching it,
because the book is really just about the two of them.
I learned about Robert Jackson, who Michael Shannon plays, and
all of the work he did to put the trials on.
You know, the US Army didn't want the trials. They

(43:46):
wanted to shoot the Nazis and the head and call
it today. And Jackson said, no, this is important. This,
you know, these crimes need to be exposed on the
world stage for people to actually believe that this really happened.
And he made the trials happen, then took a leave
of absence from the Supreme Court, flew to Nuremberg became
the chief prosecutor for the Americans. So at first I went, oh,

(44:06):
I think my movie's over here in the cell. And
then I went, oh, but it's also over here with
Jackson in the court. And then I learned about how
he treast who's the translator who Leo Woodall plays in
his story, and I went, oh, my gosh, my mo
movie's also over here with this character. And so as
I researched that, you know, the movie just kind of
grew and grew and grew and grew, which as a
screenwriter is terrifying. This is sort of not what you want.

(44:29):
You know, when you adapt something, it's about subtraction. You know,
you get three hundred and fifty pages of a book
that you got to fit into two hours of a film,
And this thing went exactly the other way. It just
kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. But I'm so
happy it did because I just there's so many fascinating
stories that I get to interweave in the film.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I can only imagine your horror at the story getting
bigger when the thing that really distinguishes Nuremberg, I think,
is that you have managed to distill the complexity of
the relationship like you can imagine in another world and
in another film. It would be very easy to have
a kind of binary vision of both Douglas and of
human goering right, and just be like he is evil,

(45:09):
he is good, and that's the end of that. But actually,
the thing that you've really achieved in the film is
that you've managed to show a far more nuanced relationship,
the things they like about each other, the sort of
elements of friendship and companionship that they have, as well
as the more dark and kind of sinister components, which
I mean as a hell of an achievement. But talk

(45:30):
to me about your decision to write the film, because
that's a critical part I think in achieving that complexity.

Speaker 17 (45:40):
Well, I mean, you know, the amazing thing was they
decided to write the film immediately. It wasn't you know.
I think if you had told me, oh, it's going
to take thirteen years and it's going to be all.

Speaker 15 (45:49):
Of this, they probably would have had a little bit
more pause.

Speaker 17 (45:51):
But you know, I'm a writer first and foremost, and
I love stories, and this one just spoke to me immediately,
incredibly fast, And I was the fastest, as I said,
I've ever said yes to anything in my life. I
just when I have to write this, I have to
explore these carescharacters. I have to be in that cell
with them and sort of discover these things about them

(46:11):
because because of the complexity of it, because of the
humanity of both of them. I thought, that's what, you know,
sort of I think hopefully sets this movie apart, you know,
and it is scarier to think of, you know, you know,
Herman Gouring as a three dimensional character, it's easy to
sort of go good guy, bad guy. But you know,
the truth of the matter is you know, people who

(46:34):
do monstrous things also.

Speaker 15 (46:35):
Do love their wives like we love our wives.

Speaker 17 (46:37):
They do love their children like we love our children,
and I do think that's scarier.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, people can time multitudes rights. That's the nature of
being a person. So what did you learn about Whom
and Gouring during this process that prep surprised you the most.

Speaker 17 (46:53):
Well, the first thing I learned about him was that
he was incredibly funny and charming, and everybody sort of
agreed on that. You know, someone once described him as
the best dinner party guest you'll ever have, which you
know is not the you know, that kind of magnetism,
charm is not what you think of I think when
you think of the Nazis.

Speaker 15 (47:12):
That was fascinating to me.

Speaker 17 (47:15):
And just his his upbringing, some of this where he
came from, some of the stories, who he's named after,
all of this stuff.

Speaker 15 (47:22):
Is in the film.

Speaker 17 (47:23):
Just really you know, sort of sort of knocked my
socks off and felt to me like could be an
amazing character for an actor to play if we got
the right person to do it, and we did with
Russell Crowe.

Speaker 15 (47:38):
He just dove in with both feet and was incredible.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You're listening to Jack tame. I'm speaking to James Vanderbilt,
who has just directed the film Nuremberg starring Rami Melick
and Russell Crowe. Talk to us about working with Russell
as fellow New Zealanders. We obviously feel a deep connection
and a deep sense of pride about all that Russell
has has achieved. But it felt like he had a
real presence in this film, and part of that was
his performance. Part of that was the way perhaps you

(48:02):
treated Hermann Goerring in that he filled the frame a
lot of the time quite a quite a fitful way.

Speaker 17 (48:09):
Yes, I mean, you know, going was very very powerful,
and Russell as a performer is very very powerful.

Speaker 15 (48:13):
And that's absolutely one of the things I wanted.

Speaker 17 (48:16):
One of the reasons he was my first choice for
it was, you know, I wanted to and there's some
they're wonderful character actors out there, They're wonderful German actors
out there, but that seductive magnetism that you know, the
fact that we as audiences have been in love with
this guy for twenty five years, We've seen him, we
loved him in things. I really wanted to use that
sort of screen presence and baggage.

Speaker 15 (48:38):
Kind of against you in a way.

Speaker 17 (48:41):
And you know, I also knew I needed a really
great actor, you know, who could do that, who could
portray those multitudes. And you know, the thing about Russell
is he is a movie star, but he is a
leading man. He's a he's a character actor in a
leading man's body, and he will go to those places.
And you know, he first attached himself to the movie
in twenty nineteen and stayed with it for five years

(49:04):
of the money coming in and the money falling out,
and there were moments where he could have said, you know,
good luck, mate, I'll show myself out, but I don't
think this is going to happen. But he never looked
for the door. He always looked for a way to
make this movie happen. It wouldn't exist with that Russell Crowe.
And then when we got to shoot it, you know,
and I saw him do all of the prep work,
I saw him do all the research. You know, he

(49:26):
found out of print books, He went over gurring speeches
as the Reich Marshall when he was in power, you know,
and would tell me things, talk to me about you know,
how Gurring really disliked Gebels, how he didn't feel very
good about Himler he would discover things along the way
that we would weave into the film. So it was
just a tremendous collaboration with a man who certainly has

(49:47):
nothing left to prove in his performances, and yet attack
this thing like he had everything to prove.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Without wanting to give too much away. One of your
very conscious decisions in the film is to, as well
as all the beautifully shot modern footage, is to use
historic footage from the camps. And yes, I mean, I
just feel like you could have heard a pendrop, you know,
in the theaters as those scenes were playing to talk

(50:14):
to us about that decision, because I suppose as audience is,
it's easy to be caught up and in a you know,
in a modern Hollywood narrative, but that really grounds your audience.

Speaker 15 (50:27):
Yeah, it was the very first draft.

Speaker 17 (50:30):
It was something that I was adamant about that we
were going to use the real footage, what they shot
in the camps and what was really shown in the courtroom.
And you know, I remember that my first d a
D sort of going, so how are we going to
do this? Are we going to shoot something for I said, no, no, no,
we're not going to shoot anything. This is going to
be the real stuff, the real footage, it's the real narration.
And it was just it was very important to me.

(50:50):
And as we cast the movie and I talked to
the different actors, I sort of would say to them, listen,
you know there's the scene in the courtroom.

Speaker 15 (50:59):
That footage is out there.

Speaker 17 (51:00):
I know you want to research the movie, but do
me a favor, don't watch it because I want you
fresh on the day right experience. And they all agreed.
And then that, you know, on the day, we brought
in a real projector. We built We had built the
court room to scale to within an interest, so that
courtroom is as big as the real courtroom in Nuremberg,
and we had three hundred extras, and so I went

(51:21):
out and I sort of explained to them, Okay, this
is what's going to happen today. This is what we're
going to see. It's the real footage. It's very powerful.
And we had a moment of silence and I set
up four cameras to cover there are leads, and then
we rolled the film.

Speaker 15 (51:37):
You know, we didn't have a blue screen.

Speaker 17 (51:39):
It was the real film being shown, and you know,
we have a lot of great actors in this movie,
so I don't want to say no acting was required
that day, but those images are as powerful now, I
think as they were eighty years ago. And that was
that was definitely the toughest.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Day on set. Finally, jomes, what do you hope people
get out of this film?

Speaker 15 (51:58):
I mean, I think it's you know, it's it's funny.

Speaker 17 (52:01):
I get asked that question, and I go back to
I worked with David finchermany years ago, and he said
something to me that always stuck with me, which is
that good movies make you ask questions.

Speaker 15 (52:12):
Bad movies give you all the answers.

Speaker 17 (52:14):
And so I don't I think, you know, the wonderful
thing about film is, you know, we work really hard
and we try and make it as good as we can,
but in the end, it belongs to the audience. So
I think it's sort of it's up to people to
ask their own questions, you know, whatever its spurs and them,
whatever it makes them consider or reconsider, I think is
a good thing. But I do think, you know, it's

(52:34):
important to look backwards in order to move forwards, and.

Speaker 15 (52:37):
You know, we forget this, we forget the past.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
At our peril. Well, you should be immensely proud for
what you have achieved with Nuremberg. Thank you so much
for giving us your time and all the very best.

Speaker 17 (52:48):
Oh, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Jack,
take care.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
That is James Vanderbilt. He is the writer and director
of Nuremberg and it hits our cinemas this Thursday to
scene before Don't Forget as well tomorrow morning on the
Sunday session, Francisca Rudkin is going to be speaking to
Russell Crowe about his performance as him and gooring now
before eleven o'clock on News Dogs. He'd be we are
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(53:12):
really good tips on how to choose a financial advisor.
And I know what you're thinking. Are you going to
ask a financial advisor how to choose a financial advisor?
And is he going to say, well, funny you ask, Actually,
I promise it won't be that. We'll catch up with
him very shortly. Next up, though, your screen time picks
for this weekend twenty one past ten.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
On your weekend Off the Right Way Saturday Morning with
Jack dam Use Dogs Evy, it's twenty.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Four minutes past ten. Carl Pushman is in for this
week's screen time. Three shows to watch from the company
You Couch Get a Carl Welling Jack. Let's begin with
the final season of Stranger Things.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
It's the big news this week. The cult classic finally
takes us back to the upside down for the last time.
Almost we almost get all the way there, which I'll
explain about in a second. But the hype around the
show has just been huge. You know, Stranger Things is
a cult classic. It was one of Netflix's first big
global breakout hits when it launched in twenty sixteen, so

(54:13):
it's crazy to think that it's been running for almost
ten years, which sort of makes you feel a bit old,
doesn't it. Yeah, that time match is on and the
biggest suspension of disbelief you need to know now isn't
really buying into the demonic underworld of what's going on
in the small town of Hawkins. But it's at the
core cast of twenty something actors are still high school age.

(54:34):
They are saying to look a little bit old. So
it is quite glad that we're in the final season
the home stretch. Now, Now that isn't a problem for
our very own nol Fisher, who joined the cast for
this final season. She's been tipped as our next big
acting thing, and you might recognize her from last year's
excellent family adventure film Bookworm, which was from Stranger Thing,

(54:57):
you know, the Sorry the Strange Film Festival curator and
Tipson where she start alongside Elijah Wood, which was just
a great, great family film. She plays a real prominent
part in this. You know, she's only fourteen and she
plays a really prominent part in this final season and
she's just great, really great. Yeah, the story picks up
eighteen months after we last saw everyone and there was

(55:18):
the big apocalyptic ending. It's eighteen months on the towns
and quarantine and the core group are sort of doing
recon missions back into the upside down just to make
sure that the big bad Beckner is actually demised. Whether
it is or not, I don't know, but there's a
lot of evilness going on still, so there's a lot

(55:39):
to go. And I mentioned it wasn't quite the final time.
Netflix are doing that thing where they split the final
season and sort of tease it out. So we've got
four episodes now Christmas Day, there'll be another couple, and
then on Prime TV viewing night of New Year's Eve,
the final episode drops out.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Wow, here's a curious time to drop it.

Speaker 18 (56:00):
It is.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
It is.

Speaker 19 (56:00):
Now.

Speaker 6 (56:01):
What I'm thinking though, is that because we're globally we're
in the upside down, that all might have and for
us on Boxing Day or New Year's DA which actually
works out quite well.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
So yeah, that would be very good. Actually, yeah, okay, cool,
So that's a stranger thing. It's on Netflix, on Disney
plus the Beatles Anthology.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
It's been a good run for Beatles fans lately. You know,
last year we had Sir Pete's excellent Get Back, the
eight hour Massive documentary which was of filming Let It Be,
which was just amazing. Then after that there was the
mardin Scoosese. He produced Beatles sixty four, which detailed their
first tour of America, their big breakthrough tour in America.

(56:43):
And now this is a remaster, you know, Sir Peeks
back at it again. It's a big remaster of the
Beatles Anthology series which came out back in the nineties,
so you know, Beatles fans from back then, we'll know it.
There's nothing new really here, well, there's one new episode
tacked on at the end, but it's pretty much just
a remaster of the original series, which you know, it's

(57:05):
still brilliant. It looks amazing. Giles Martin, the son of
original Beagles producer George Martin, has gone back and redone
all the sounds, so it sounds incredible. You know, it's
using that technology that they use to do get back,
so it's never looked better. They never sounded better. Brilliant viewing.
If you're a Beatles fan, Yeah, very good.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Okay, so that's on Disney Plus, that's Beatles Anthology and
on Tevy and Z Plus. Here we go.

Speaker 6 (57:32):
Yes, this British sitcom. It's really flown under the radar.
It's kind of old school in some ways where it's
a sitcom, but it's not the hand laughter you know,
crazy wacky next door neighbor kind of thing. I thought
does have a crazy uncle in the in the show,
but it's it's very incredibly funny. It's dars Catherine Parkinson,

(57:55):
who you might know from the very good It Crowd comedy.
She plays sort of the same kind of character here.
It's it's about a dysfunctional family in a British town,
and of the show is sort of that their teenage
sun is filming. The series constantly filming everyone, right, That
sort gets played down a bit as it goes on.
The real big twist that the series does so brilliantly

(58:18):
is that each episode starts an absolute chaos and then
it flashes back and you start to see how they
ended up in these chaotic situations. So it plays around
with the timeline, so it jumps backwards and forwards, and
it's just really clever. And so when it finds it's groove,
it is so funny. I found myself sometimes just in

(58:38):
tears of laughter. It just nails it. So it's got
a cult following. TV and Z Plus has all three seasons.
There is a fourth season coming out next year, so
you know it's not a dead series. It's definitely worth
checking out. And it's incredibly funny.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Oh it sounds really good. Okay, I'm looking forward to
watching that. That's a bit of me. I love a
British to come anyway, So that's here we go. That's
on TV and Z Plus. The Beatles Anthology is on
Disney Plus and Stranger Things. The final season is streaming
on Netflix. All of those shows will be on the
news Talks He'd website, and of course you can hear
more from Karl on his sub stack. It's called screen crack.

(59:15):
Just come up to ten thirty you with News Talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 20 (59:30):
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Speaker 2 (59:41):
Me down cool cool.

Speaker 15 (59:45):
Cool cool cool cool.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Longer days and better weather are on top of us,
I think, and for those of us that are active relaxes,
that can only mean one thing. The summer festival season
has arrived and there is no shortage of news about
festies that aren't going to make it over the line
this year. But big events like Rhythm and Vines, Electric

(01:00:11):
Avenue and Laneway are going ahead and are promising to
deliver chart topping headliners like Chapel Rhan Kid Cuddy to
swarms of people that pack out and enjoy the festivals.
But while huge gigs can be energizing and flambuoyant, New
Zealand's actually really really good at delivering under the radar,

(01:00:33):
intimate festivals and in the round regions and pockets that
don't usually get those kinds of crowds. Our Music Review
is going to be with a performer day to day
to celebrate the smaller side of things on the festival
front and discuss just how our music festival landscape is
shaping up for the summer. Jack says Thomas on an email.

(01:00:56):
I've read all about the Nuremberg Trials, an extraordinary piece
of history that's often overlooked when we think about World
War II. Very much. Enjoyed your interview with the director
of Nuremberg this morning and can't wait to see the film.
It's gonna be really interesting actually to see how the
film's received, but also how Russell Crowe's performance is received
in Nuremberg. The thing though, that had the biggest impact

(01:01:20):
on me watching the film, as amazing as Russell Crowe was,
was the real archival footage. I was surprised, actually, I
think I've probably only seen it once or twice before,
but the archival footage of concentration camps at the end
of the war. I mean it's just, you know, the
most appalling and affecting images, you know, probably the most

(01:01:41):
appalling and affecting images known to our species. So yeah,
you know, be prepared for that. When you're at Nuremberg
as well when you're seeing it, because seeing it on
the big screen will be an experience. I'm sure ninety
two ninety two is our text number if you want
to send us a message. We're in the garden with
all sorts of summer color for you very shortly. But
next up our text Bert is in with a little

(01:02:02):
bit of interesting information about a couple of New Zealand
banks and the ways in which they might be keeping
an eye on what you do on your phone, the
headlines and the hard questions.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
It's the mic asking.

Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
Breakfast finance minister heaping pressure on the retail banks, host
reserve van cashweight move to pass on those cuts in full.
Will Are they Bruce Patma's loan market mortgage advisor?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Have they No, not at all.

Speaker 19 (01:02:23):
They're holding some really good margins. We can see that
given they're paying one and a half percent cash. If
you've moved to them, I'd like to them pass them
on the full criptlip.

Speaker 21 (01:02:31):
So, if you're in the Nikola Willis camp that these
guys are not good actors and they're not playing their part,
this is evidence to suggest Niccola might be onto something.

Speaker 19 (01:02:38):
That absolutely breakout for a client for three years at
four twenty grand. At the moment, you're now only getting
four points even nine for three year. That tells me
that they could be doing three years of at least.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Four and a half.

Speaker 21 (01:02:49):
Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking Breakfast with
Avida News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Twenty three minutes two eleven on News Talk to EDB.
A couple of New Zealand banks are now forcing behavioral
and device tracking onto their customers. I had absolutely no
idea about this whatsoever, but Paul Spain is all over
the details. He's the chief executive of Guerrilla Technology and
he's here with us this morning. Get I Paul, Good

(01:03:15):
morning Jack. So what's the deal.

Speaker 18 (01:03:18):
Well, I had a few people send me some info
about this during the week, and I thought this isn't
really a big deal. I mean, who cares if they
track how you move your phone around and you know,
how you swipe and whatnot. But as I dug into it,
it's actually concerning me because there's a lot of information

(01:03:40):
that they gather down to the apps that you might
be running on your phone in some cases, and they
create what's I guess, a biometric behavioral profile on you,
and so that data if it gets lost, which we
kind of know that, you know, organizations aren't very good
at securing private data, can create a problem because really,

(01:04:03):
as an individual person, it's a little bit like a
fingerprint or something else. It's unlikely to really change much
during your lifetime. So if that information is lost, then
you know that comes out of your control. But then
there are concerns around what else could they do with
this information if they're tracking all the apps that you run,

(01:04:26):
for instance, are you installing some apps that they don't
think fits the risk profile? Maybe you've got a gambling
app or a dating app, pawn crypto, whatever it is
that they think kind of changes the risk profile. So
they're going to use all of this data and then
decide whether you can use use their banking services.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, I'm not sure about this, ah and a whole
lot of you know, there haven't been a lot of
publicity about it necessarily.

Speaker 18 (01:04:58):
No, Well, when I looked I saw that I think
it was Westpac as well or on this and they
disc loased it back in twenty twenty three, so it's
actually been floating around for a time. But it's one
of those things that you know, it comes up in
the terms and conditions for using using your apps, and

(01:05:21):
you know, you see so many things and you have
to accept them otherwise you can't you can't use online banking. Yeah,
so it's one of those things that's it's probably just
you know, slipped by most of us, but yeah, certainly
raising a few concerns out there. And as we sort
of see the digitization of everything, you know, it's just

(01:05:43):
this sort of slow crawl where there's more and more
systems that are surveiling us in one way or another.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
True, So that's very interesting. Hey, Warner, as in the
big publishing company, has just signed a new AI deal
with Suno, So tell us about it. Yeah, so this
is interesting.

Speaker 18 (01:06:00):
Soon o' see website you can go to and you know, basically,
you know, fill in a few few details and it'll
create some music for you, a song in any style
and the lyrics, the you know, the whole thing, and
it's it's it sounds pretty amazing the output. But of
course the way that they are operating this is AI.

(01:06:22):
Just like all of the other AI systems, it's trained
on what's out there, and this of course has got
the musicians and the publishers all up and arms. So
we've had a number of court cases going on, and yeah,
here we are with a with a deal being signed
between Suno and and Warner Music which will enable their

(01:06:45):
artists to be able to opt in to having the
AI use use their their sound, their voice, their their
style and to create new music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
I don't know why any artists that agree up to this,
I mean, would agree to this just I mean, maybe
they're getting paid gazillions of dollars for it, but really
would if you're an artist who's you know, had international success,
would you want your voice being used by other people
creating music without your explicit oversight.

Speaker 18 (01:07:18):
Well, that's effectively we kind of what we've had to date, Right,
it's been a whild west. There's been no regulation, so
you you have had an element of that going on
because it's it's trained on on all those voices. Now, yeah,
I'm really curious how this plays out. Will there be
any big artists who who jump on and support there

(01:07:40):
being a proliferation of effectively cloning of their music?

Speaker 11 (01:07:44):
You know?

Speaker 18 (01:07:45):
Will we see this bring new music from artists that
have that have passed away? If we got the next
you know, new album coming from a you know, a
Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley or something. Right, Yeah, these
these are some of the sorts of possibilities that are
out there. And yeah, I think there's probably a few

(01:08:07):
questions as to, yeah, whether this makes sense or not,
but you know, I think it's going to happen in
some form.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah, and I suppose at least this way, the artists
are going to be paid something. Thank you for that, boy,
that's very interesting. That is Paul Spain, the chief executive
of Guerrilla Technology, filling in for our texpert segment this weekend.
Right now, it's seventeen to eleven on News Talks. He'd
be our personal finance expert. Is going to tell us
how to find a personal finance expert in a couple
of minutes on News talksp.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.
Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks FB.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Guy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Jack read the use of biometrics and scam and for
protection for bank customers, there are guardrails in place. It's
effective as a tool in the wider suite of things
that banks are putting in place to help protect customers
and scams. Jack re Nuremberg. The film give a shout
out to the based New Zealand editor Tom Eagles, who

(01:09:09):
edited the film. I didn't know he'd done that. So
Tom edited what we do in the Shadows Hunt for
the Wilder People. He's done lots of stuff with Jamaine
Clemant and takeaways. He did Wellington Paranormal and that kind
of thing as well. Jojo Rabbit, I think, but yeah,
hadn't realized that he had edited. Hadn't realized he'd edited
in Nuremberg as well, So that is fantastical. Key we

(01:09:30):
connection the second one if you include Russell Crowe fourteen
to eleven on new songs, he'd be time to catch
up with their personal finance expert Ed McKnight from Opie's
Partners is here this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Get a ed.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Great to be here, Jack this morning. You have for
us advice on choosing the right type of financial advisor,
and let me guess. Let me guess the right type
of financial advisor is called Ed McKnight and works for
Opie's Partners.

Speaker 16 (01:09:53):
Well, definitely not, because I'm not actually a financial advisor.
I'm just a lowly economist.

Speaker 9 (01:09:57):
Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Well, this is critical. It is critical, right because people
can with the terms. It's kind of like the difference
between psychologists and psychiatrists. People can get a bit com
you sometimes.

Speaker 9 (01:10:07):
Well.

Speaker 16 (01:10:07):
It is important because sometimes people email men say ed,
can I get your advice about my situation? And I
say no, because I'm not qualified to. I can tell
you what's happy with the economy. But to find a
financial advisor, you've got to start by asking, well, what
type of financial advisor you are after, because it's a
bit confusing. In New Zealand, they all call themselves financial advisors,
but there are effectively five different types. You've got mortgage

(01:10:30):
advisors who help you get a home loan. You've got
insurance advisors who will sort out your house insurance or
your life insurance. We've got investment advisors. These are people
who help you out with shares and funds. Then you've
got property investment advisors who help you with property investment.
And then you've got people who specialize in budgeting. And
the really confusing thing in New Zealand is all of

(01:10:52):
these are legally financial advisors, and they should call themselves
financial advisors, but they each specialize in one different thing.
There aren't many all rounders in New Zealand who will
do every single one of these things, because they're actually
quite complicated. So the first thing you've got to do
is be like, Okay, if I want to be better
with money, what does that mean. Well, if you're trying

(01:11:13):
to buy a house, you probably talk to a mortgage advisor.
If you're worried about the risk that you get sick
and won't be able to earn an income, you go
and talk to an insurance advisor. But that's the first
set that you go for.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah, okay, that's a very good point five. And they
can all call themselves financial advisors quite quite a few ways.
So if you work out exactly what you need to prioritize,
so whether or not you're looking for investment advice, property
investment advice, insurance advice, etc. Then you work things down
to a short.

Speaker 16 (01:11:41):
List, that's the main thing. And you don't want to
just go to one think ye they'll be okay. So
I always said people create a short list of three
names maximum, And the reason is that if you try
and create a list of ten people that you're going
to really do some due diligence on and check out,
it's just going to be too many in all likelihood

(01:12:02):
you're probably not going to do anything at all. But
I think don't do one, don't do ten, three is
a really good number. Now, in terms of creating that shortlist,
my favorite thing is just to go to Google and
I'll tell you what to look for in a second.
But I also know people talk to chat, GPT, get
recommendations from friends, but also get recommendations from maybe an
advisor you're already using. The only thing I'd say about

(01:12:23):
getting a recommendation from an advisor you already use is
that a lot of advisors will have referral relationships. So
if you go to a mortgage advisor that you like,
you say, who should I use for insurance and investments?
They'll probably tell you to use the same person who
sends them business back, and so that you're not necessarily
getting the best person, you're getting somebody who they are

(01:12:44):
mates with.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
But you know, cred a.

Speaker 16 (01:12:46):
Head to Google, check out top financial advisors, create a
little shortlist, and then you can really dig into research.
And when I say research, I'm not just talking about
going to their website and seeing do they have pretty
pictures or not? Or do I like the colors on
the website. I think there are five things that you
should look at, but the most important one is something

(01:13:07):
that your eyes will glaze over at. It's called a
disclosure statement. Now legally, legally, every financial advisor in the
country must have a disclosure statement on their website. Now
you might be like, oh, ed, what does that mean.
Isn't that interesting? Well, it's very important because a lot
of financial advisors in New Zealand won't charge you a
fee and said they'll earn a commission maybe from the

(01:13:28):
bank if you decide to get a mortgage from them,
or from an insurance company if you decide to get
insurance from them. And on that disclosure statement it must
say how the advisor is paid, any conflicts of interests,
what services they provide, and which product providers they use,
whether it's banks or insurance companies. Now you might decide
that actually, I want to use a mortgage advisor who's

(01:13:50):
got as many banks as possible. Or you might say, well,
why is it that this insurance advisor is only using
one insurance company. That means that they can't really give
me advice about the best insurance company for me or
the right one. So definitely head to the disclosure statement
on their website, and also make sure you're checking out
do they can they prove their expertise to me? So

(01:14:12):
is there any content? Are there any qualifications that tell
me actually they are good at their job?

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah? Okay, And then from that point, I guess your
book meetings and work out if it's the right fit.

Speaker 16 (01:14:21):
Yeah, book three meetings. Figure out who's who's you respect
enough to give you good advice and who gels with you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah, very good. Hey, thanks so much, Ed, have a
great weekend. We'll make sure all of it's tips are
up on the news Talks website as well, so you
can work through them stage by stage.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Gardling with steel Shaft's battery system kits get a second
battery half price, ah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Man and the Gardener's rude climb passed, Gollo.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
How are you good?

Speaker 11 (01:14:47):
Thank you? You seen any pollinators yet at your place?

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
I think I've said a few pollinators. Sort of sounds
slightly euphimistic when you've put it on those terms, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
Yes, Yeah, I know, I know it was nearly off
off of whatever it was nearly off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
Yeah, No, I know things. It has to be said.
Things are going very well at the at the in
the time garden at the moment, not very well. They're
never going very well, but they're going reasonably well, and
that everything is flowering, except I've got this weird situation.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
So I've got a jacaranda tree, and you know the
jacaranda trees just grow like anything, right, So I've got
a jacaranda tree and it's flowered. So I've got all
the beautiful purple flower but for some reason, about two
thirds of the tree has no none of its green foliage.
So after winter, the green folige just didn't come back.
So it's just kind of bear. It's very strange.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
I wonder what happened that. Oh god, it could be
all sorts of troubles, to be quite honest, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
But but but the things that don't have the green
foliage have flowered, No that they have flowers, So it's
very it's very weird.

Speaker 11 (01:15:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, there might there might be something to
do with your root zone at the underneath, you know
that it doesn't get the feeding through that particular bud.
It might be just something like that. That's really I
really need to go and see that one day and
see what happens, because it could be a die back,
I suppose, but anyway, yeah, this is it, and a
lot of plowns are at the moment flowering as you

(01:16:11):
can see. And it's interesting because I started doing a
bit of research of this whole. If you like stuff
that you do with these pollinators, and sometimes you do
a biotic or sometimes biotic pollination, and a biotic has
to do with wind movements, so that the wind actually
does the pollination. But what I'm talking about, of course,

(01:16:32):
are my favorite bugs, you know, the you name it,
butterflies to bumblebees, to flies, to beetles. There's an incredible
amount of pollinators in everybody's garden and they are doing
so well. And I love that sort of stuff, So
that's number one. But when you're yeah, yeah, but when

(01:16:54):
birds are getting involved in pollinating, they are not really
looking for bluish plants, if you like. They're looking more
for reddish flowers because they can see a lot better
than insects. Insects se blue, right, That's it's a really
cool way to look at these things. So only ten

(01:17:16):
percent of birds, or only ten percent of the pollinators
are birds. That's not that much if you think about it,
But if you look at tui and bell bird and
things like that, and silver ice. Those are the ones
that are doing the gig and you know with co
five flax, right and all that sort of stuff. That's
how it works. And what's really interesting is, and this

(01:17:37):
is one of the things I want to tell people,
when you see, for instance, blackbirds having a go in
your fijoa trees, it looks as if the blackbird goes
for those red fijoa trees flowers and totally destroys them.
It's not. They do the most efficient way of pollinating there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
You are, of course, of course, because you need to
pine out with the fajos. You're right, okay, oh very good,
thank you, sir. Rout climb passed in the garden for
us after leaving a clock. If you're in the garden
and you're already worried about your water usages, thing starts
to dry up, We've got some top water saving hacks
for you heading into summer. News is next though it's
almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame and this is News Talks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through
the weekend US talk.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
Said b.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
More an you're a Jack Tame on News Talks dB.
I hope wherever you are that you aren't in the
unfortunate position of having been waiting for an A three
twenty flight sometime this morning and now find yourself amongst
the throngs, the overflowing crowds at airports around the country
as they try and work through the various delays. What

(01:19:16):
a fiasco. Here's my tip though, and it comes courtesy
of my mother, of all people. So mum was traveling
this week and she was hit by a whole series
of delays. I think she was delayed twice or maybe
even three times. She was trying to get back to
Nelson from Australia, so she was in Australia, got back
to Auckland, then tried to fly down to Nelson and
then the flight got turned around halfway and she had
to come back to Auckland. And anyway, they were big delays.

(01:19:38):
But everyone who had similarly been affected and had been
delayed found themselves in the airport late at night, like
ten ten pm at night, and there was one counter
open right to go on, like rebook your flights and
find accommodation all of that, and so people were lined
up at the counter, and then all of a sudden,
after however long, maybe fifteen or twenty minutes, another employee

(01:20:02):
came along and opened the counter next to the counter
that were already open, and it just so happened that
the people who had been at the back of the line,
including my mum, were now closest to the new counter
that was opening. Right now, you know what the efforts
are like at the best of times, but people go
a bit crazy when they're traveling, and understandably so, there's
a lot of emotions sometimes involved with travel, but also

(01:20:25):
they're just exhausted, and I think it's a stimulat Tree
overload traveling, isn't it a lot of the time, like
you just you're there are a lot of people, there
are these announcements being made, there are lots of lights
and dah dah, it can be it can just be
an overwhelming kind of stimulat Tree experience. Anyway, when the
second counter opened and Mum found herself at the back

(01:20:45):
of the line now suddenly being in a position to
zip over and bet the front of the new line.
Being the former school teacher she is, at the top
of her voice, she called out, excuse me, everyone, I
propose that we move over in exactly the same order
that we are currently in. And when she made this

(01:21:08):
proposition to all of the other people who'd been lined
up alongside her in the queue, everyone spontaneously broke out
in applause. So pleased that were they with this suggestion,
Because you know how it is like the civility of
the moment is kind of hanging by a thread, right.
You just know that if all of a sudden, people
have been delayed for hours and had their weekend plans

(01:21:29):
totally destroyed and all of that suddenly see an injustice,
they go from being at the front of the line
to the back of the line, They're going to lose
their minds. Things are going to get really ugly. So
mum reckoned that almost everyone moved across in an orderly fashion.
There was even an older passenger who found themselves in
the new line and was feeling pretty tired and said
loudly to everyone, now, I'm not looking to cut the line.

(01:21:51):
I'm just going to go and sit over here for
a moment and wait my turn. And everyone said, oh no,
don't do that. You can go to the front of
the line. Everyone sort of agreed, no, it's fair enough.
You know you're an older passenger. You can go to
the front of the line. And the person said, absolutely not,
I will be waiting here for my turn alongside everyone else.
Civility breeds civility breeds civility.

Speaker 8 (01:22:10):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Maybe if you are stuck in the queues caused by
this big A three twenty out today, you can take
a leaf out of my mum's book and if anyone
asks you why you are bellowing at the crowds in
the airport, to tell them that Jack Thames mum has
worked out that's the best way to maintain civility. Before
midday on news talks, there'd be we're going to look
at the start of some of the summer music festivals.

(01:22:32):
Plus we've got your book picks for this weekend right
now though it is just coming up to eleven minutes
past eleven, Jacka, and that means it's time to catch
up with our sustainability expert Kate hall Ak Ethically, Kate
is here with us this morning. Kilda. You know, I
think for many people around New Zealand, the last year,

(01:22:52):
well maybe not the last year, but certainly winter and
spring has been pretty damp to say the least. But
given this as New Zealand, you just know that in
about six weeks time, half the country's going to be
in drought. We're all going to be facing water restrictions.
It's going to be like it's feastal famine. So this
morning you have some really useful practical water saving hacks

(01:23:12):
as we prepare for summer.

Speaker 12 (01:23:14):
Yes, let's start them now early so we can start
practicing them and really make them part of our daily habits,
because just like you said, we only get to a
point as usual where we have water restrictions and it
would be great, but already.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Up to day totally.

Speaker 12 (01:23:28):
So some of the kind of main ones we can
do is collecting water in your shower. So during summer,
I can have a bucket in the bottom of the
shower so when you're warming up the water, waiting for
it to go warm, or even just you know it's
picking up little bits of water from your shower, do
that and grab that bucket and pour it on your
garden to water your plants that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:23:54):
Have it in the corner, you know, move it, move
it to the side.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very good.

Speaker 12 (01:23:59):
Yeah, placing a bowl in the sink can be really
helpful too, so when you're washing dishes, you're it's in
fruit and good juice things like that. You can also
use that water for watering plants. I think that watering
plants things, you can set up all these sorts of
different gray water catchment things so that your plants can
be watered without taking fresh water from the hose.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
Is key.

Speaker 12 (01:24:25):
Again when you are watering plants, watering them in cool hours,
so morning or the evening, it just stops evaporation, so
you're able to really make use of that water.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
There's such a such a big as lying obvious obviously,
but it's such a biggie Like it's crazy how quickly
stuff evaporates, and once once the real the sun has
that real kind of summer bite, it's just it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
It is.

Speaker 12 (01:24:47):
It just soaks up everything. Yeah, and obviously when you're
watering them and focusing on the roots and just I
guess it's just being really mindful of where the water
is going and making sure that your plants are getting water. Though,
you know, hopefully if you are collecting a lot of
water from your sink in your shower, then you don't
need to water your plants. Yeah, nice, and here showers

(01:25:09):
short showers. I know my husband Tim hates say this.
He loves a long shower, but aiming for three to
four minute shower. So maybe you pick a song that
you really like and you just put the song and
when it's over, you know that you need to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
See, that's a hard one for so many of us.
I reckon that I have this kind of like in
built chronometer, so I just feel like I know what
the time is all the time, right Like, and I
know I've got a really good sense of how long
a minute is and how long three minutes is and
all that kind of thing. But I feel like my
inbuilt chronometer just goes to the dogs the moment I
speak aside the shower. Yeah, all of a sudden, I'm like, ah,

(01:25:46):
heels like two minutes I step out, and I'm like, oh,
it was about eleven about that, you know, I know. Yeah,
sometimes sometimes this is a bad confessional, But sometimes, oh
my god, I'm a thirty eight year old man, and
yet sometimes when I know I've going to get out
of the shower, I count down in my head from
twenty so I got twenty nineteen eighteen, and when I
get to the loaners sometimes I go five four and

(01:26:10):
a half or three and a half quarter. Oh my god,
oh my goodness, this is just ridiculous. But yes, trying
to have shorter showers some mon is actually easier in
summer as well.

Speaker 12 (01:26:23):
Yes, that's true, that's true. You're craving like a warm
shower lest yes, but if you do things like make
sure you have a water efficient shower heads that can
be really helpful. So there's actually I need to check
if they're still around, but there's free like water audits
that are part of a group that E can matters
I think used to do and I remember they came

(01:26:44):
in and they checked all of our shower heads and
everything to see what the flow was. And through them
you can get subsidy off like cheaper shower heads. Right, okay, yeah,
more water efficient. So making sure you know, if you
do know that your your shower it's really outdated. Yeah,
making sure maybe updating your shower heads in and you

(01:27:06):
can have a longer shower potentially and feel less guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, right, Things like making sure you know run your
washing machine and your dishwasher when it's actually full as
opposed to two thirds full. I suppose.

Speaker 12 (01:27:18):
I mean we should always be doing that, but I think,
especially once we're getting into summer, if we start doing
the stuff now, then it will be easier for us
when we do have more water and restrictions that we're
already in good habits.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
No, that's great, great stuff. Thank you so much. We'll
put those suggestions on the news website, of course, and
you can find Kate on social media. She is ethically Kate.

Speaker 14 (01:27:41):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Here you go, Jack, I love your mum already he's
muzz and that makes two of us muzz.

Speaker 14 (01:27:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
NY two sixteen past eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the World.

Speaker 11 (01:27:53):
Is Yours book now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Mike Hardley is our travel correspond and he's giving things
close to home this weekend, which is great.

Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
Good Mike, Good morning Jack. No way three twenties for
me today, No.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Media twenties for anyone? What a fact? What do you
think of my mum's plan?

Speaker 9 (01:28:11):
Though?

Speaker 8 (01:28:11):
My mom's Yeah, Lincoln High School will be so proud.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
I know you, I think, like is it? Can can
one recommend one's own motherhood for a dame hood. Is
that is that a mother for a damehood?

Speaker 11 (01:28:25):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Is that possible?

Speaker 14 (01:28:26):
We?

Speaker 8 (01:28:26):
Actually, I think so, Jack, I reckon the US Transportation Secretary,
mister Duffy could be interesting, missus tame, because he's been
big on the civility front, and part of his focus
is trying to do people from turning up to airports
and pajamas, which is a bit tragic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I do think though, maybe maybe there's something for the
airport staff in this, Like maybe if if you have
one of those you know, you know what I mean,
Right when one counter's open, everyone cues up and then
another counter opens, run across, and we're all tempted to run, right,
But if they said, if the person said, we're going
to be opening counter too, if you can please move

(01:29:03):
across in the same order you're in now, that way,
no one feels No one feels ropped. You might be
a bit peeved that you're at the back of the line,
but you're not feeling like you've been served a massive injustice. Right,
So yeah, I think exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Anyway, this morning you had a selection of summer holiday
hits across New Zealand. So what has wheat your Appetite
in Tarmaki, Mikoto the O nine Auckland.

Speaker 8 (01:29:28):
Yeah, well, it's interesting that over summer, Jack, I think
it is the primetime summer sport that makes the city shine.
You're obviously the tennis in January, and if you're wondering
about sale GP, they've changed the date so it's actually
going to row back into town in February next year
for the Auckland GP. Something that I really want to
check out over summer in Auckland's at the Art Gallery,

(01:29:51):
and I reckon you'd be into this too. Hop to
present American art from the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts.
It's a very well regarded museum, and what they've done
is they've brought over to Auckland about fifty headline works
very much based around American pop art, which I love.

(01:30:12):
So you've got things like Jackson Pollock's iconic drip painting,
all sorts of luminary s feature like Andie Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein.
So I reckon a bit of that sounds pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Yeah, nice, that'd be great. Speaking of speaking of good
exhibitions and ones, I want to see Wellington's got that
new Fat Freddy's exhibition and Fat Freddy's Dropper is marking
a notable anniversary.

Speaker 8 (01:30:36):
Oh this sounds like it, do not miss, particularly if
you are capital bound. Wellington Museum is playing host of this.
I love Wellington Museum. It's full of so much local quirk.
It really sort of celebrates the soul of the city.
And this is such a classic specimen, Fat Freddie's drop
based on a true story. Yes, twenty years down the track.

(01:30:58):
So they've done a tailor made exhibition which opened last
week and it explores the cultural impact of Fat Freddy's
landmark album, which of course went straight to number one.
It remains the longest charting album in New Zealand history,
clocking up over two years in the top forty.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I did not know that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
So, yeah, if you're going to Wellington, immerse yourself in
the music and the magic and the memories of a
true Wellington original.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah, yeah too, Right, that's certainly something I'm going to
be doing. On'm there a few days after Christmas, so
I reckon I'll put that on the latter. When does
the Festival of Lights kick off in New Plymouth?

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
This this is a big, big jack. Yes, three weeks
tonight and it will be twinkling for six weeks. This
thing is so popular. About one hundred and fifty thousand
people flock to the summer spectacle like moths to the
flame and New Plymouth. Half of them are actually from
out of town, so it really is a big people

(01:31:59):
attractor for the Naki. I've been several times and it
just seems to get bigger and more in vent to
be every year. Absurdly gorgeous lighting installations. It's kind of
like a cross between Disneyland and Copenhagen's Tivoli Gardens. And
it's the globe boats on the lake in Poki Kuda

(01:32:20):
Park that is the best way to soak up the
surrounding splendor. So yes, if you're in Taranaki, do not
miss the lights.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
There are some really great beach carnivals as well, strang
across the country. So what would you recommend?

Speaker 8 (01:32:35):
Well, I have been on to you for quite some
few years about the Caroline Bay Carnival, So that returns
in tomorrow on Boxing Day for its fortnight of frolics.
One hundred and fifteen years it will be celebrating this time. Yeah,
but aside from the Timuru Classic, which is new Zealand's
biggest beach carnival. There are actually quite a few on

(01:32:56):
the calendar, so or Panaki Wahi Beach, Fitty Younger, I
think at Cook's Beach in Fitty Younger and Kaitira Chi.
They all have beach carnivals in the first half of January.
And Impact in something that I actually checked out last January.
It's actually really good. It runs for a couple of
nights the annual Maritime Festival, so they hold it on

(01:33:18):
the foreshore and picked and they have some really cool
things like raft races in the harbor. So yeah, that's
on in mid January and Pickton.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
Okay, superb. But what about some quirky summer festivals.

Speaker 8 (01:33:29):
Yes, well, I was struck by your chat earlier this morning,
Jack about avocado as a dessert producing catti catties, evofest.
So this is right in the nations at Pocado Capital
set down for January ten, there will be lots of
cooking demos with celebrity chefs, delectable drinks and tasty food,

(01:33:50):
including avocado ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Okay, look, I for some reason, I if I logically
step it out, I like avocados. Avocado's nutty and rich
and creamy like I can see you know what I mean.
I can see how it does work as a dessert.
But for some reason, I still hear avocado dessert and
I think, I think it's going to make dessert healthy.

(01:34:16):
And that's not the purpose.

Speaker 8 (01:34:17):
It needs. It needs georging up. It needs something else,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
It need sugar? Ye yes, yes, yeah, maybe yeah, oh
yeah yeah no, very good. Right, So that's in Katti Cutti.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:34:30):
Well, by the way, a couple of things on the
West Coast if you are on the West Coast in January,
they've got two really good gigs and once again a
little bit quirky driftwood in sand. This is the annual
multi day bash at Holkatka Beach, so they have all
this drift toward continually washing in from the Tesmand Sea
and from January twenty one, for about three or four days,

(01:34:51):
the most extravagant competition. We are all sorts of crazy
people construct the most whimsical, grand scale sculptural artworks on
the beach. It is absolutely superb. And on January ten
on the West Coast, Big day for the horse. He's
the legendary Kimata Gold Nuggets race day. If you want

(01:35:13):
to go to a summer horse race day, you cannot
beat this. It is just frothing with West Coast Spirit,
White Baite, Fritter's Galore. It's really family friendly. My father's
horse actually won the feature race a year ago, so
I think Trey Bond is heading back to try and
defend his title. And they actually win gold nuggets with

(01:35:34):
the Kimmata, so they actually do get real nuggets.

Speaker 9 (01:35:37):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Oh how good? Ye ask how many gold nuggets? I mean,
not enough for you to have to relinquish Saturday mornings
with us.

Speaker 8 (01:35:44):
No, Well, my father's part of a syndicate, so there
was a bit of a sort of cussing of the cake,
which got complicated cutting.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Of the nuggets. By the time he got it, it
was just sort of a fine dune exactly. Yeah. I've
never done it. I've always wanted to. In Kumata, it's
such a.

Speaker 8 (01:36:01):
It's a cracker day, yeah yeah, yeah. And there'll be
people choppering down. There's all these top is that sort
of land around Kamada from the North Island. It's like,
oh my goodness, hello, welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Yeah, oh fantastic, that sounds great.

Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
So anything else to each Now that's all good, Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Yeah, very good. Okay, well it sounds like a great
little lineup for summer. Thank you, Mike. What we will
do is we'll go and put all of those up
on the News talks HEB website. So depending on what
you're doing this summer, depending on where you are planning
to go, maybe you can try and get one of
Mike's summer highlights into your summer itinery. Now before midday
on News TALKSB, we get your book segment, including this

(01:36:40):
new book called Driven, which is by Susie Wolf. Susie
Wolf has kind of grown up around IF One. I
never like to introduce someone as the wife of or
the husband of, but she is the wife of Total
Wolf these days. Of anyone who's a fan of IF
one or the Netflix IF One Drive to Survive series
will be familiar with Toto and Susie. So she's written

(01:37:03):
her book Driven. The interesting thing, one of the many
and interesting things about our book reviewer Catherine is that
as well as being a total bookworm, she is a
massive motorsport fan. And so yeah, she's going to give
us her thoughts on that very shortly. Next up, we'll
see what Jason Pine has planned for us on Weekend
Sport this afternoon, just coming up to eleven thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team
on News Talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
News Talks. He'd be just after eleven thirty, twenty nine
minutes to twelve on News Talks dB. Jason Pine is
in after midday with Weekends Sport is here now, kilder Parney.
Hello Jack, Hey, Commonwealth Games turn back the hands of
time and away. But no, do you know what I'm
actually I've done. I've been on a bit of a

(01:38:19):
journey with the Conworth Games. I look, I don't get
quite as excited as I do with the Olympics, but
you know the Comnworth Games have a place I think.

Speaker 22 (01:38:25):
They do and could that place be back here in
New Zealand in twenty thirty four? We know unmet About
in India will host in twenty thirty that was confirmed
this week Glasgow with a bit of scale back games
next year, of course, after Victoria pulled out at the
last moment or approaching the last moment, so by the
sound of it, twenty thirty will be scaled back up again.
So how likely is the possibility of twenty thirty four

(01:38:49):
being held here in New Zealand. Well, Nicky Nichol is
the chief executive of the New Zealand Olympic Committee, so
we've gone right to the top to find out whether
they're serious about this and what it would mean. Is
there a possibility, for example, that it might not be
held all in one place? Auckland seems obvious, Jack the
biggest city, the facilities, et cetera. If you had some
of the other events elsewhere where there are already facilities

(01:39:11):
for them are Velodrome in Cambridge for example, something like that.
So you know what ins and out, who pays all
of those sorts of things. So yeah, and the relevance
of the Commonwealth Games, I think is also.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
A talking point. I mean, I'm a bit like you.

Speaker 22 (01:39:24):
They're not the Olympic Games. But we've had some magnificent
memories down the years at Commonwealth Games and even nineteen
ninety I mean, what's that thirty five years ago? Now
I still remember, you know, Nicky Jenkins winning gymnastics gold.
You know, it's thirty five years ago, and other Commonwealth
Games memories as well, and for some athletes it is

(01:39:45):
their pinnacle event. So look, I think they still have
relevance and I'd love to see them come back.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
I also think that there's there's something for a lot
of those I don't want to say like minority sports
or off Broadway sports, but you know what I mean,
right the sports that aren't you know, always leading the
sports bulletins every single edition in New Zealand. Is there's
something really special about having seeing those athletes go into
a kind of games environment. I believe, you know, for

(01:40:12):
sports like squash for example, that haven't been at the
Olympics before. He has a really big deal to be
there with lots of athletes from different sports and they
can forward relationships and you know, I just there is
there is something really kind of special in that. So
I can see the value there. Hey, what are you
thinking Liam Lawson's how do you how do you feel
about his positioning? I know we've got last couple of

(01:40:33):
races of the year Qatar Monday morning. He hasn't had
a great qualifying overnight. Do you think we should be
reading anything into the fact that they keep on delaying
the driver confirmation for next year? Well, it's it's a
very odd way to operate a business. For starters.

Speaker 22 (01:40:48):
But I think from what I've seen over the last
couple of days some of the comments, and I'm sure
you've seen this as well from Yuki Sonoda, he seems
resigned to the fact that he's leaving Red Bull slash
Racing Balls does. Yeah, So if that's the case, then
it would it would feel as though if they promote
had Jar up to Red Bull, that Liam Key seat
in the Racing Balls car, and Lindblood the new, the

(01:41:10):
new young young gun will come in to take that
second seat. That's what it feels like to me, though, Jack,
I've got no idea why they've waited so long. If
the drivers themselves may know, or but if they don't,
it's even worse because that's got to be an incredibly
hard position for them all to be in. I guess
it iron sharpens on or whatever the phrases iron. I

(01:41:33):
feel like Iron's already pretty sharp.

Speaker 9 (01:41:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
It's just it's just like of all the of all
the pressure and all the sports, right Like, obviously there
are a lot of pressure and professional sports these days,
but I mean, you know, if these guys make a mistake,
they don't just lose a race, they can they can
be killed. It like it's the stakes are about as
high as they get in global sport, and it's like

(01:41:57):
the owners of the team like, I know what, I'll
get a better performance out of them, a bit more pressure,
you know, a more pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
It's just absurd to me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Anyway, I I understand it either. I really hope it
thinks are obviously confirmfully and more than he does stay
any one. But I guess we will wait and see. Hey,
thank you very much, sir, looking forward today's afternoon, Catch
you soon me toy. Thanks mate, Jason Pine, you'll have
weekend sport for us right after the midday news on
News talks 'b Before midday, we're going to look at
some of these summer festivals that are just about to

(01:42:25):
kick off in the next few days and weeks. Well,
I guess if you if you include Christmas in the
Park and the O three tonight, then tonight is when
we're kicking off. We'll have your book picks for the weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Next Saturday morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
EDB two twelve on News Talks. He'd be our resident
petrol head slash book reviewer Katherin Rains is here with
her book picks for this weekend, and Catherine, I knew
you would like this one driven by Susie Wolfe as
your first pick for us this weekend.

Speaker 13 (01:42:58):
So Susie was born in Scotland and she was born
into a racing family. Her mother and father both raced motorcycles,
so it was really no surprise that her and Ather
ended up racing as well. So she started a motorcycles
and soon switched to go karts at about the age
of eight, and then actually she decided at the age
of thirteen, when her uncle took her to a Formula
three race, that she actually wanted to be a racing driver.

(01:43:20):
So moving forward in times sort of that success in
carting led to the next step and she was really
poised for greatness. She was twice final for young Driver.
They actually alongside if one greats Lewis Hamilton and Meco Rosenberg.
And then divaster struck and she ends up slipping on
some ice while taking her grandmother out to some shops
on an icy night and she damages her ankle, and

(01:43:41):
so that time that she spent healing meant that she
had to start again and she did, and she won
a place in a championship for DMT in Germany, and
then she was offered a lifetime opportunity to do twenty
five laps in an F one William's Formula one car,
and she performed so well in that test that she
was given a new role at the team that was
developed just for her, and she became a William's development

(01:44:03):
driver and she was the first woman to participate in
F one in twenty two years, and she eventually retired
from that in twenty fifteen. But this is a really
interesting look at the inner workings of motorsport, her triumphs,
the setbacks, the motivations when she switches from racing to
the boardroom. She's now the manager of the F one
Academy and all female racing series and partially inspired by

(01:44:27):
her husband, Toto Wolf, who is the mind and relentless
drive behind Mercedes F one. And it's really interesting about
how she's been successful in her own right. She's a
real inspiration and she starts with sort of the.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
Same and finishes with the same.

Speaker 13 (01:44:42):
Idea is that when you're in the car, no one
can tell the difference between a male and female driver,
So why do we treat them differently? And it's a
really good point. It's one of the few sports actually
that it just makes no difference whether your male female
and you can race. And she did that, and yeah,
and it's impressive. And what she's done with The F
one Academy, which is a series of on Netflix as well,

(01:45:04):
is also equally impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Super Well sounds really good, Okay, So, I mean, I
knew you'd be a fan of the Something Great. So
that's driven by Susie was next up to tell us
about Unlucky for Some by Tom Wood.

Speaker 13 (01:45:16):
So this is about Victor the Assassin, and it's a
real thriller. It's got lots of grit and precision and
it's just the enough to sort of keep you on
edge and you think about what's going on. And so
Victor is the world's most efficient assassin and he finds
himself actually hurt and cornered in Sweden and in the

(01:45:37):
very icy Scandinavian territories of Malamo. And he was there
to penetrate a crime family headed by a guy called Hannikinson,
and he encounters a colleague of his handler and this
mysterious weapons procureur, a guy called scray, and there's this
dangerous trade and were heavy metals and counterfeitschinery. So what
began as really a simple job for him spirals into

(01:46:00):
complete chaos in this predator and pray thing going on,
in dangerous politics and international mess and that Scandinavian setting
as this real cold intensity even story, and that real
scandy no atmosphere is there, and the rusty shipping containers
and the chemical plants and this whole dangerous backdrop to

(01:46:20):
this game of survival. And Tom Woods just writes an
excellent thriller. It's smart, it's full of twists, and it
certainly gives you an edge of the seat ride, and
it's the writings excellent. Can't recommend him high enough.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Awesome, Okay, cool. So that's unlucky for some, unlucky for
some by Tom would Catherine Sir's book was driven by
Susie Wilson. Both of those will be on the website.
Thank you, Catherine, have a great weekend and we will
be back with you once again next week eighteen to
twelve on newstalks 'd be the summerfesties are kicking off
next giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
The inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday
Morning with Jack dam News Talks edbaj.

Speaker 11 (01:47:07):
I see.

Speaker 20 (01:47:10):
I Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
That is Sharon van Edden. She is playing at the
Other's Way the evening that seventeen. Chris Schultz Music Rivera's
with us this morning and you reckon Today's day, right,
Today's the day. This is that summer thirsty season begins tonight.
Look at this grin.

Speaker 6 (01:47:43):
I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
You literally came to the office and you're like, I'm pumped,
and I was like, what are you excited about it?
He's like, I'm excited. I'm not putting it on for
the radio. No, no, no, I'm thrilled to be here.

Speaker 23 (01:47:54):
I've been waiting all winter for today. This feels like
the kickoff of the summer festival season. We've got our
first big outdoor show with Rufus de Soul at Western Springs,
and then the one I'm going to was the k
Road Festival The Other's Way, which is it's a bit
of a different music festival. They take over k Road
and about twelve venues around it. Basically you've got to

(01:48:15):
wear running shoes and just charge between the venues trying
to get in to see your favorite Access forty three
acts player, right, and all of those venues they get
maxed out really quickly. But it's just so much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:48:26):
We've just got through this two week period where we've
been dining out on nostalgia. It's been Metallica and Tull,
Lenny Kravitz, all these acts from the nineties, and now
we get a chance to see some new stuff. Yeah,
so I'm really really fizzing about that. It's an interesting
time though, to sort of survey what's ahead this summer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
Yeah, because there have been some obviously been some like
on the downsides and big announcements. I mean, You've got
one Love has been canceled, Womad is taking a year
off officially, although obviously that you know, I think in
their announcement they said for Womad that you know, there
are just big financial pressures at the moment that they're facing.
They want to protect the future of the festival, but

(01:49:06):
I mean, you know, obviously there's a lot of pressure
on festival promoters and producers at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:49:11):
I see music festivals as my version of the housing market.
It's a bell weather for the economy, and if festivals
are popping off, if tickets are selling. If there's heaps
of them, the economy probably is doing okay. And when
things are tracking as they are now with people taking
years off listening, there's another festival that is often the
first big one of the summer that didn't happen this year.

(01:49:31):
Then the thing there's probably you know, a problem, and
that one Love organizers did cite the economy not rebounding
enough for them to trust that they can sell enough
tickets to their big two day event and told Onnger.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
When you add in.

Speaker 23 (01:49:43):
Juicy Fests in liquidation, Timeless Tour in liquidation, and Eden
Festival also in liquidation, it is just it's a little
more constrained. But I would point out that some of
these festivals have the best lineups that I've seen post
covid R. I'm thinking about Laneway that's got Chapel Rome
that everyone who's gone to Laneways just fizzing about that,

(01:50:05):
Rhythm and Vines has turned starf and Kid Cuddy one
of the best lineups that is almost making me consider
whether they can go and join the kids.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
I know, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Almost?

Speaker 23 (01:50:18):
And then the big one, of course Electric Avenue. This
festival in christ Church is just it's going off. It's
bigger than it's ever been. It's growing every year and
they've got the big booking of the some of the
first spit ends reunion. So yeah, it's it's tricky things
that are working or working really well, and then other
things to startn't quite getting there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, it's almost like the the two ends of the
market are doing well, like the absolute biggest ones being
Lame Way's Rhythm and Vines in Electric av they're doing
really well. The small indie ones, you know, whether it's
like even having Sharon van In playing it the other's
way is amazing that that's that's fantastic.

Speaker 23 (01:50:57):
Also sold out, by the way, yeah, nearly sold out.
I think there's the only main stage tickets for the
stage in k Roadley.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Yeah, right, so they have have that doing super well.
It's the sort of in betweeners, do you think maybe that.

Speaker 23 (01:51:08):
Ye know, it's it's a confidence game, right, that's what
you know. If you're a promoter, you've got to take
a risk. You've got to be a bit of a gambler.
And I guess when things are a bit tight, things
are a bit gloomy, then then maybe you're less likely
to take those risks. Also, as a consumer, you want
to be guaranteed that your event's going to happen, and
when something like Juicy Fest and Timeless to and Eden Festival, yeah,

(01:51:30):
those go under and people are struggling to get refunds
for some of those.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
But it's not just that. It's also that if you're
traveling for it and you've got accommodation and all of
that stuff, and you're flying in an A three twenty,
then you know it's it's an imare.

Speaker 23 (01:51:41):
Some of these tickets are two fifty three hundred. So
one thing I would suggest that is new this summer
is that the NZPA, the New Zealand Promoters Associations, issued
a new vetting system and they've got this tack, this
logo and if you see it attached to the festival
you want to buy a ticket for. It means the
promoters have been vetted and approved and they've put on
events in the past, and that if something happens to it,

(01:52:01):
you're probably going to get your money back, right, So
you want to look out for that tic. I think
you can see it on the end said PA website.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
It is good actually, just so you can have a
little bit more confidence in actually supporting these things. Yeah, okay,
so how many are you going to do? You know,
if you've done the math.

Speaker 23 (01:52:14):
As many as possible. I'm definitely going to the big
ones Rhythm Es.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
I'm still like, oh, I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Don't think literally you are considering the Advines. I'm supposed
to be amazing, Yeah, I mean what was supposed to
be somewhere, aren't we, you know, with family Christmas. I
don't understand. No, no, it's a yeah. I mean Kik
Cuddy would be amazing and.

Speaker 23 (01:52:35):
Tunstyle the hype kind of that's the first big, like
you know, punk rock act that that Rhythm and Vines
has ever had their super high That's the only New
Zealand show they and Kirkcuddy are playing. So I'm gonna
consider it. I'm going to definitely spend Christmas thinking maybe
I should get there.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Yeah right, but those are the big ones for sure,
right yeah you'll be there? Oh oh yeah yeah that yeah, yeah,
very good. Okay, thank you so much. It's going to
be very interesting to see how it all goes. But
thank goodness, things are kicking off so tonight Riffs sult
Is playing Western Springs, Ay and and the others ways
on k Road of course, Thank you so much, Chris Altz.
You can find him, of course on his substack. Just

(01:53:13):
search boiler room on substack and his name will pop
right up. It's just gone nine minutes to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Craking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jata
News Talks ab.

Speaker 9 (01:53:28):
Ride.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Oh, we are just wrapping up for another Saturday morning
together on News Talks. He'll be thank you very much
for your company throughout the morning. I have to read
the news tonight, so I've got to start doing the
old doing the vocal exercises, mini mini mini mini me.
Peter Piper picked a peck of no no. I'll go
go and have a couple of hours hopefully and then

(01:53:49):
get myself sorted for that. For everything from our show,
you can go to news Talks heb dot co dot inz.
We'll make sure it is all up and available there.
Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough
stuff this morning. This afternoon, of course, Jason Pine is
going to take you through the afternoon with Weekend Sport.
We are going to leave you with Rufus to solo

(01:54:10):
playing Western Springs on what is looking like a pretty
good day for it in Auckland as well.

Speaker 14 (01:54:15):
The song is on my Knees, I will see you
next Saturday mornings to have the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:40):
Teams to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Bails. A change feels that my chiels me to.

Speaker 11 (01:54:53):
Get out this change.

Speaker 22 (01:54:55):
If you can see me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
I've grabbed let if that's a.

Speaker 15 (01:55:07):
She's county back and da.

Speaker 20 (01:55:57):
Looks like come home my knees again, boks like count
home my knees out game things I come on my knees.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Again that looks like I.

Speaker 7 (01:56:10):
Comes of a games, Come my knees A game that
looks like come my ns.

Speaker 1 (01:57:21):
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