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November 16, 2025 17 mins

The difference in opinion on how we approach (or don't approach) Net Zero is just the latest story you could use to worry about how divided we are - at least, until your bike chain breaks. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to Better Than Yesterday, useful tools and useful conversations
to help make your day to day better than yesterday,
every single weeks in twenty thirteen.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
My name's Oshi Ginsburg. I'm very glad you're here. And
you may.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hear a difference in how I normally sound because I'm
not at home in my studio, nor am I over
at the other.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Studio that I sit in with Adam. I am on
the side of the.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Road by the Royal Hall of Industries in Moore Park,
next to the Orden Pavilion, and I've pulled over because
I'm trying to repair a bike chain.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Now, what has this got to do.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
With you?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
And why do I.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Feel this moment it is important enough to record a
whole podcast about it. I'm recording this on Friday last week.
That's when you're hearing my voice.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
And I had a meeting at ten in the morning
over in Surrey Hills, which is about a twenty five
minute bicycle ride from my house.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I normally ride my bike and I'm going in that
way and I got to ride through the Centennial Park,
which is a beautiful place. It's gorgeous to be on
my bicycle anyway. I do try to ride my bike
if I if I can, because I think commuting under
your own power is incredibly important.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
And if you can systemize your.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Exercise, you know, just putting the self powered exercise between
you and where you want to go, You've taken care
of a bunch of really important things for your physical
and mental health in the day. So commuting under your
own power, I think it's really important, and it's something
that I've done for years. I used to ride my

(01:46):
bicycle when I did the overnight shift to be when
I five in Brisbane. I would ride my bicycle to
work and I would come home across the story bridge
at six fifteen in the morning, which was always gnarly.
When I did Dancing with the Stars, I was riding
my bike to the studio every single day to train.
I've even ridden a bicycle to go and do gigantic,

(02:09):
multimillion dollar TV format's like Master Singer and stuff like
that through a sound stage where one hundred and something
people are working. So I'm on my way to this
meeting and I'm riding through the park and I come
around the corner to the Royal Hall of Industries and
a woman flags me down and she goes, hey, she's
speaking English with an accent.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, very clearly.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
English is probably not even her second language. I'm guessing
she was South America or something. She goes, excuse me,
where is Centennar Park. Ah, no worries at all, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Just over there. So I stopped my bike. I was
listening to Chromeo. I was listening to the first Chromeo album.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
It was really fun, and I say, of course, it's
just over there. Good luck, go that way, turn left,
one hundred meters.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You're there. No worries, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Now I forgot to shift down when I stopped to
speak with her, and so I'm starting to try to
take off again from.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Quite a high gear. So what happens is.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
That when I go to take.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Off, my bike's quite heavy.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
As I go to take off, my chain snaps and
a person was walking past and she goes, oh, you've
just dropped the chains.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh yes, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
So I pull over and I stop and oh, my gosh, yes,
I've blown my chain completely.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
What am I going to do here?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So pull over the bike and I look down and
it's like, oh my gosh, it's grease everywhere, and you
know it's all happening.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Standby, I'm just going to change gears. Boy oh boy.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm in a bit of a medication change at the
moment as well. So it's a moment of stress, like
really quickly before I even had anything to do about it,
didn't even.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Have to do it deliberately.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's like bank, I'm in acceptance. Well, I've breakd busted
a chain. So I text a person I'm going to meet,
say hey, man, I've just blown a chain. I'm going
to try and fix it. And when the chain breaks
on a bicycle, if you never have it happened before,
sometimes you can repair it. Basically, what happened is the
link blew apart. And once the link blew apart, I
just had to find the It looks like a it

(04:12):
looks like a figure ate, a tiny little.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Figure eate piece of metal, two figure out pieces of.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Metal connected by two other pine of little poles, and
so I knew it would have been back on the
road a little bit on.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
The pathway where I was, the bicycle path.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I pulled the biker and I start looking down
at the ground, trying to search out of nowhere. There's
a man who's watching all this happen, and he got
out of his car and he walked over to me
and he goes, I just saw what happened. You stopped
to help out that woman, and then as you pulled out,

(04:49):
your chain broke.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
He goes, can I help you? Can I help you
look for that? Thanks man, that'd be really good, and
he did. So here I am.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Here's me and this bloke I ever met before, looking
down like we were trying to search for a contact lens.
And because we're two people looking down, I'm you know,
I've still got my bicycle helmet on.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
He's dressed in a suit, and he was on the
way to a meeting as well.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
He's dressed in a suit and he's now looking down
on the ground. And another person comes from the park.
She's looking like she's walking to work, probably at Disney
Studios or something like that, and.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
She's like, what are you guys looking for?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
So the chain leaf, guess I'll give you a hand,
and so here I am less than forty eight seconds
after going, oh, my chain's blown out.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'm going to miss my meeting two people.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I've never met before in my life, and I'm wearing
a bicycle home, and I've got sunglasses, and I've got
a mustache. Right now, I don't look like me. I'm
wearing a jet or a tall T shirt. You know,
I don't look like me. Two people I've never met before,
completely different human beings.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Stop and help me search for this thing.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
And why am I telling you this because this morning
I was reading in the news.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
About how much division there is in our country around.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Something like, you know, something like net zero, something like
climate action, and we may get the feeling and we're
being sold this idea that we as Australians are very
different and that all these people over here they don't
know what they're talking about, and they don't know anything, and.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
We are very different.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
People and the only way to go forward is to
not listen to them, but to listen to me.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
There's no there's people on the other side.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
They believe something completely different from you, and you're a
very different person to them. And to that, I say, well,
I think that's bullshit, because what we are as Australians
is we are people who see an opportunity to help
see that Ah, here's someone they need my help. I

(06:58):
can help them, let me.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Help them, and they bloody did. These two people I've
never met before.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
So you might hear a bit of a bicycle chain
rolling up against the phone here as I'm trying to
thread this thing around, people stop to help the stranger,
and I was really lovely. The feeling of these strangers
I've never before in my life stopping to help me
out was such a wonderful feeling compared to the feeling of, Oh,

(07:28):
I've blown out my chain and I'm going to miss
this meeting that I'm already late for and now I'm stressed,
and da da da dah. We are people who want
to care for each other and help each other out.
Just reminded me once again that maybe one of these
people read the article this morning and went, yeah, that'll
you know, best is the way forward? And you know what,
that's okay because because even though we might think differently

(07:54):
about a pathway forward with something like emissions or energy,
at our core, we are still three people who have
shared value of helping somebody else out.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Right in front of you.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
And I've got this overwhelming feeling that it's going to
be okay.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
But what's even wilder is.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
That this is the second time this sort of thing
has happened to me in the last two weeks.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I'll tell you the other.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Story in just a sec, but I do need to
take an ad break because I've got to pay for
this chain and the tool I bought from the bike shop.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Hi, thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I'm still trying to fool around with this bike chain
and battery. And sorry about all the noises like ASMR
or a bike repair.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Right now, I just got this overwhelming feeling. I've got
a lot of despair, just a bit of de spair
this morning of like, oh fuck, here goes the Coalition
talking about how net zero.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Is the way forward, and here they are trying to
divide us as a nation again.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
But we're actually we have a lot more in common.
And then we're told because just the other day a
very very very similar thing happened to me.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
So up in Queensland where my in laws are, we
were there for Wolfe's grandfather great sorry, we were there
for Wolf's great grandfather's nintieth birthday. Now that's a beautiful thing,
you know, to go for your great grandfather's ninetieth birthday,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
It's pretty special.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
We're up in Queensland, and it used to happen a
lot later in the year, but it's happening earlier and
earlier in the year. Is the kind of storms that
come through Southeast Queensland are starting to.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Come through already, the ones with a really big hale.
I'm talking hale.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Big enough to smash your solar panels, that kind of hail.
So we're all we're all kind of sitting around and
it was the day before sorry, it was a day.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
After Grandpas's birthday, and we were still.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
There and the.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Everyone had been a big weekend, so most of the.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
People were having a bit of a nap in the
afternoon after lunch, just kind of relaxing themselves down a bit,
and the front doorbell ring.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I was the only one awake, so I walked over
see what's up. And some my in laws live on
Bribe Island, which is about our north.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Of Brisbane, about forty five minutes south of Mercer, to
give you an idea where it is. And it's a
lovely little community where they live. And one of the
neighbors walks over, so the doorbell rings, and sure enough,
I swear it was the most Queensland moment that I've
experienced probably in my life.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
It was about three in the afternoon, and there's a.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Man standing there in a shiny long sleeve fishing shirt
you know, you know, the one form. It's got a
big fish on it with a hook in its mouth
and as big graphic on it. And he's holding a
tally seven to fifty four.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
X, so a big bottle of four X. He has
get a mate, I live just next door here.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I've just got a call from my my mate who
lives over in Ipswich, and he's got eight centimeter hail
in his backyard that storms coming our way fast.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
And I can see you've got this car in your driveway.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I've already had a chat with the other bloke that
lives between. He lives two doors down. So he goes,
I've already had a chat with a bloke next door.
He said, there's room in his car port if you
want to put your car in there, because that's that
hail's going to come through fast. And while he's telling
me this, a five and a half foot tall Eastern
gray kangaroo is on the front lawn just eating the grass,

(11:42):
watching his chat. It couldn't have been a more Queen's
Land moment. It was absolutely perfect. And I thought to
myself in that I was just so grateful, And he goes,
I just you know, if you've got everything strapped.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Down out there, have you got? Is everything okay?

Speaker 2 (11:56):
And I was just so freaking grateful in that moment.
And I say this to my mother in law. Is
where then running around the yard, you know, tying everything down,
bringing everything in because there was one hundred klmeter wins coming.
And I said to her, that is Australia right there.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
That is what Australia is.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
You know, there's a high chance that me and this
person and the person who offered their car port to
me vote very differently on election day.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
There's a very high chance of that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, I'm just being a little assumptive around demographics
and like how old these men are and where in
the world they live.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
We probably vote very differently on election day.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
We probably feel very differently about things like that zero
for example. And yet when push comes to shove, when
the storm is coming, when the hail that as big
as cricket balls, and win that will you know, take
your beach umbrella and turn it into a spear is coming.
None of those things matter at all. What matters is
are you okay? Can I help you? And it was

(13:03):
just so beautiful and such a wonderful reminder that no
matter how often we're told by various media outlets and
various algorithms about how differently we think and how different
we are, and how you can't trust these people, and
if it came out of their mouth, it's got to
be lies.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
All that is bullshit.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
That we want to help each other, We're wired to
help each other, and it's important.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
To remember that. It's important to remember that.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Just as I went to go get this chain from
the bike store just then, so I.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Bought the chain.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I've got the link with me right now, it's all here,
And as I'm leaving, I'd already paid for it. You know,
they've got a it's a big bike shop, the lug
and carry place, so they've got the mechanics there as well.
So I've got the new chain, I've got the new link,
and I've got a tool to put it all together.
And as I'm leaving, I said, oh, actually one more thing,

(14:00):
could you give me a pair of work gloves? He's like, oh, good, core,
and he walked into the workshop and he grabbed two
of their vinyl work gloves you know, sorry, the you
know the ones because I when I went to my meeting,
Oh my god, that's the other thing. I had to
lock my bike up on the side of the road
because the change bus that I had to jump in
an uber. I had a spare pair of socks in
my bag, you know, because I had change gear to

(14:20):
change into it, and I had to put the socks
on my hands like soft puppets so I could get
into the uber and not put grease all over his
beautiful car. I said, I'm sorry, mate, my hands, Mate,
I was trying to fix my bike. I grease all
over my hands. And he goes, hang on there, reaches
into the glove box and he pulls out like the
Morst fuk Off antibacterial super wipes, like the Mega Bunting
skin strippers. But it was perfect because then I got

(14:43):
to walk into this meeting with that grease all over
my hands.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
He had every It was just perfect. It was just perfect.
And so I said, can I lend some gloves from
the mechanic? He said, yeah, good, cor man. Wait one second.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
He walked into the workshop, and he walked out with
like four gloves, which means that once during my work,
if I have to pull a glove off and have
something to repair it twice Just the best. People are amazing.
People are great, and people want to do the right
thing for each other. I just wanted to share this.

(15:14):
I know they're anecdotal, but just perhaps we tend to
just only hear stories about how fuck strangers are and
how much we have to be afraid of each other.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But yeah, it's a beautiful thing. It's absolutely beautiful, beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Now I've got this final link here to pull together,
and I to see if you can hear the beautiful.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Sound of this bike working.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Thank you so much for helping me. You have helped
me repair a bicycle.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Have an appreciation for the humanity that we live in,
and be grateful that even though we may feel differently
about some things, some things that may seem bleedingly obvious to.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Half of this, regardless of which side.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Of the line he come down on, that out in
the middle of it, we're here, man, and we actually
care about each other, and that's an important thing to remember.
Thanks for listening. Extra thanks to Adam Buncher, who found
his way to cut up a field, recorded podcast on
the side of the road, done with an iphinder, not

(16:25):
a proper microphone. I hope you have a wonderful, wonderful
day and that you also get the chance to help
someone out, because on.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
A daylight today I had one, two.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Three, four separate people really helped me out today, people
I'd never met before.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Bloody amazing. Have a great day. I'll see on Wednesday.
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