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August 13, 2024 22 mins
The dangers of teaching the Bible in public schools is that it threatens freedom of religion.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome into another episode of Brett Mason Show. I'm the
afore mentioned Brett Mason. Basically, this has turned into a
podcast where we talk about all the things they say
you shouldn't talk about, which is politics, religion, and women.
And I guess to be more quote unquote inclusive, be politics,
religion and relationships, so we'll go that route. I don't

(00:23):
mind being woke. I should do an episode on woke,
by the way, just so we can make sure to
squeeze all this stuff in. So today we're gonna be
talking about a couple of things. We'll start with the
first one, which is this story that broke not too
long ago, and I'm kind of late on it, actually
not really late on it, but by the time you

(00:43):
hear it'll be ray. I'm only I'm recording this like
maybe four or five days after this broke, but you're
probably not hearing it for weeks because I have scheduled
some in advance. But nevertheless, we're talking about the Oklahoma
State Superintendent of Public Education, so he's over the education
for the entire states, names Ryan Walters. He put out

(01:06):
a memo during the summer for some reason. Early in
the summer by the way. He put out a memo
that said, effective immediately, all Oklahoma schools are required to
incorporate the Bible, which includes the Ten Commandments, as an
instructional support. Immediate and strict compliance is expected, which seems

(01:28):
kind of generic, like just from reading that, it doesn't
tell me a lot about what's going on. But he
also did a press conference where he went into some
detail about how I bored the Bible, was how it's
foundational to history and the country and the constitution and
laws and just a bunch of nonsense. So I actually

(01:53):
recorded a little video that I had posted on social media,
and I'm just going to take the audio of that
and stick it in here and let it speak for itself,
and then we'll come back after it. And I want
to talk specifically about these chan Commandments because we just
recently had another ruling or another decision over it was Louisiana,
where all the courtrooms are gonna have ten Commandments in them,

(02:16):
which which Christians praise, by the way, which makes no sense.
It makes me wonder if they've ever even read the
Ten Commandments. But nevertheless, we'll get to that after we
do this. So this is uh, this is clips from
this guy's UH press conference with my commentary interlaced in between.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
The Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our
kids about the history of this country.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
The Bible is a necessary historical document to teach our
kids about the history of this country. When the Bible
was written, this country didn't exist. Nobody knew shit about
America in the Bible. In Biblical times, all they knew
about was their little reagion over there. That's all they
knew about. They knew about that little one section of

(03:03):
the Middle East that was the entire world to them.
That's all they knew. So how the Bible relates to
the history of America is one of the dumbest things
I've ever heard. Number Two, the Bible is not a
historical document. The Bible is a religious document. That's all
it is. It's a religious document. So just because you

(03:24):
want to call it a historical document doesn't make it
a historical document. It's a religious document. And if you
feel like religious documents should be taught in school by
the state, because that's what schools are. I know you
guys don't understand what the state is, but cops are
part of the state. Teachers are a part of the state.
Anybody that works for government is a part of the state.

(03:44):
And via the Constitution, the document so many of you
claim to love, the state can't take a position on
any religion. It just can't. That's how you have freedom
of religion. That's why our founders said f that we're
not having the state be a part of a religion,
so it's unconstitutional. But more than that, it's just dumb.
Everything this guy just said is dumb.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
To have a complete understanding of Western civilization.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
We need the Bible to have a complete understanding of
Western civilization, a book that was written two thousand years ago.
I mean the amount of dump This guy can't be
this dumb. He just can't be this dumb. He's just
pandering for Christian votes. There's no way he's this dumb.
There's zero chance this guy's this dumb. But he believes

(04:33):
you're dumb. That's the thing. He believes you're dumb, and
he believes he can say dumb stuff and you will
believe it. That's what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Have an understanding of the basis of our legal system.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
The Bible is by no means a basis for our
legal system. It just isn't. The Old Testament was full
of laws that nobody would dream of following today, and
the New Testament is all about grace, and so I
don't see how anything in the Bible comports with anything
to do with our legal system in any kind of
a way. Zero Neil. It's just it's just it's the

(05:08):
things just say. It is preposterous, and.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's frankly, we're talking about the Bible, one of the
most foundational documents used for the Constitution, and the birth wor.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
The Bible was not a foundational document used for the Constitution.
There's no part of the Bible or no part of
the Constitution that follows anything from the Bible, not one,
not one single thing. Find me one thing in the Bible.
Freedom of speech. The Bible and for freedom of speech.
The Bible isn't for freedom of religion. The Bible is
for one religion. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

(05:41):
Freedom of the press. Find me anything in the Bible
that's for freedom of the past. Find me anything in
the Bible that says you should be secure in your
place in personal effects. Find me anywhere that says you
have a right to remain silent. Find me any find
me anything anything in the Bible that relates to the Constitution.

(06:01):
Just one thing. Just find me something, any one thing.
I dare you to try more country.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
We also find major points in history that refer.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
To the Bible that reference the Bible. Okay, there's for
sure parts of history that refer to the Bible, not
all in a positive way. By the way, history refers
to the Bible positively and negatively. So I don't know
what that has to do with teaching in religion in school.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
We see multiple figures, whether we're talking about the Federalist papers,
constitutional conventional arguments, and Martin Luther King Junior who use
it as a tremendous impetus for the civil rights movement.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, the civil rights movement had nothing to do with
the constitution of the country. This was a movement to
try to gain rights for a group of people. Has
nothing to do with the founding of the country or
any of that kind of stuff. Like everything this guy
says is ridiculous. As far as the Federalist papers the Constitution,

(07:01):
although I do often have many times study the Federalist papers,
but you'll not find anything in there about the Bible
being a guide for anything to do with the country.
Read I dare you Have you ever read the Federals papers?
Do you know what the hell he's talking about? Probably not,
and he's counting on that because he thinks you're dumb,
and I don't know what else to say.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
And time many of those arguments back to the Bible
didn't happen. It is essential that our kids have an
understanding of the Bible and its historical context.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So whether it's whether it's important or not for kids
to have an understanding the Bible or not is up
to their parents. It's not up to the states, not
up to a state agent. It's up to the parents.
That's who decides. Not you not a teacher is the
dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
So we will be issuing a memo today that every
school district will adhere to, which is that every teacher,
every classroom in the state will have a Bible in
the classroom and we'll be teaching from the Bible.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, you can issue all the memos you want. I mean,
I don't give a shit out many memos you issue,
but that's unconstitutional. It's gonna be challenged and it's going
to be shot down. Even Trump's court of renegades, who
apparently don't give about shit about anything, the best I
can tell, are gonna shoot this down because it has

(08:26):
no footing and no standing. People, don't let them talk
down to you, and don't don't let them make fools
of you. Please don't. If you want to teach your
kids the Bible, do it. That's a personal decision. Religion
is a personal decision between you and your family. It's
not a decision for the state. Because I'm telling you

(08:47):
right now, I've been through this before where we talk
about freedom of religion. If you cherished freedom of religion,
then you don't let fucking state agents teach your children
a religion, because if that's legal, then a state agent
can teach your child out any if in religion they
want to teach them. They can teach them Hinduism, they
can teach them Atheism is not a religion, but they
can teach them Atheism. They can teach them Buddhism, they

(09:10):
can teach them Islam, they can teach them. They can
literally teach them any religion they want. If a state
agent can teach your child legally a religion, they can
teach them any religion. And the way you keep religion
free is by doing it yourself. You do it at

(09:31):
home with your kids and your granny and your grandpa
and your cousin and your grandchildren. That's how you do it.
Stop exporting your responsibilities as a religious person to the state,
and handle that shit at home like you're supposed to do,
Thank you very much. Not sure I can add much
to that here, so we'll move on from that. But

(09:53):
it's amazing. I just say this. It's amazing to me
how people who screams scream, scream freedom of religion, freedom
of religion, so quickly jump on board and support things
that would erode freedom of religion. This would for sure,
He wrote it, like whether a religious person or not. Like,
I'm for freedom religion. I think as long as your

(10:15):
religion doesn't include illegal things, like if your religion is
sacrificed as babies and stuff, then I don't believe in
your freedom of religion. But you know, as far as
it you and a religious belief and you don't do
things that infringe on my rights, then I don't care. Yeah,
for sure, you should be worship or not worship whatever.

(10:36):
But once you start as a Christian and this Christians
are the one doing it. Once you start endorsing this
concept that the state or state agents can start teaching
your children about a religion. Once that's accepted and it's codified,
and it becomes a precedent.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
So let's say this happened, and let's say the Supreme
Court ruled on it and said, yeah, we think religious
documents are historical documents. Ensure absolutely, and this is fine
once once that happens in it, because it's going to
get challenged, it's going to get challenged, and it's going
to wind up going to the Supreme Court. Once. If
the if the Supreme Court ever ruled on that and

(11:13):
said absolutely, yeah, you can do this, you've now opened
the floodgates where any teacher in America who follows any
religion other than Christianity can now start teaching from their
Holy Book because it will have been made it through
the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court would have said it
was okay, And so now your children who you yeah,
I mean, you like it. Of course you're a Christian.

(11:35):
Of course you'd be like, oh, yeah, of course, which also,
again it also doesn't make sense to me, because there's
there's a there's over three thousand different denominations of Christianity
in America and they all teach different things. So why
you would want to outsource the teaching of your religion
to some person that you don't know how they interpret
the Bible in a classroom? Why I don't know why

(11:55):
you'd want to outsource that to them. Let's just say
you're a person that believes in speaking them tongues and
the teacher in your kid's classroom is from a church
that doesn't believe in it, and so they start teaching
how wrong it is, and they make a compelling argument,
and now your kid believes what they said. But now
you've tried to teach your kids another thing. And if
you're one of those people, like the people I grew
up with, that believes that, hey, if you didn't get
the Holy Goos to speak in tongues and you're not

(12:16):
going to heaven. If you're one of those kinds of believers,
well now your teachers just undermined your religious faith. I
just don't get it. I don't understand why you don't
to outsource anything religious to a teacher to your kid.
It makes no sense to me. There's a million different
ways to interpret the Bible, and every single denomination of
Christianity interprets different things different ways, so I mean, it

(12:37):
might just make none of it makes any sense to me.
But anyways, going back to this slippery slope once, if
this were to ever be codified, which it won't, by
the way, like even as bad as the Supreme Court
is that Trump has put these ringers in that just
apparently don't believe in anything freedom related. I don't even

(12:57):
think even they would hold this up. But if they do,
if they uphold this as being legal and acceptable, then
you're sending your kid off to school where your teacher
can teach them anything they want religious and there won't
be nothing you can do about it, because you're going
to fight it. And then the teacher's going to appeal
to the courts, and the courts is going to say, well,

(13:18):
the Supreme Court's ruled that you can teach religion in school,
and then you're just gonna be like, Okay, well, I
guess I'll take my kid to a different school, which
may work out for you, it may not. I don't know.
It's crazy. I don't know why anybody would want this,
like you have to literally not understand how freedom or
religion works to support this. Anyway, I'm going to let
that go and we're going to talk about this. These

(13:39):
Ten Commandments in the courtrooms. I've never understood this. Why
is it so important to you as a Christian for
the Ten Commandments to be in a courtroom? The courtroom
is where somebody's been charged with a crime. Not a
crime written up in the Bible. Right, it's a crime
written up in state state ordinances and state laws. Right,

(14:03):
unless it's a federal crime, then it's federal ordinances, federal
laws or whatever. So they're answering for crimes written by humans. Right,
Humans came up with these laws. Humans came up with
these ordinances, and they got them passed, and so something
became illegal, and now the person has been charged with that,
and now they're going to court to be adjudicated. What

(14:27):
does the Tin Commandments have to do with any of that?
Have you ever read the ting Commandments? Because I'm about
to read them to you and we're gonna go about
one by one and see how many of them have
anything to do with court. Like the point why would
they need to be there makes no sense. Number one,
thou shalt have no other gods before me? What the
hell does that have to do with a guy being
in court charged with the child abuse? What does that

(14:47):
have to do with that? Like, how does that have
any bearing on a case or an outcome? It has zero?
It's irrelevant. Number two, thou shalt not make under the
any graven image? What does that have to do with
a guy being charged with stealing a purse from a lady? Well,
what does that have to do with any of that?
I don't have anything to do with it. It's just

(15:08):
that doesn't make no sense. That'shy not hate the name
of the Lord, thy god in vain. So first of all,
people don't even understand what that means. I hear that
misapplied all the time, But I digress on that. What
does that have to do when you're in uh in
court and the guy is accused of jumping a guy
on a corner and bashing his head and with the

(15:28):
ball back, What does that have to do with this?
What is not taking the name of the Lord in
vain have to do with that? Nothing? It's zero. Number four,
Remember the Sabbath thing, keep it holy? What guidance does
that offer in a court of law, What good? How
in that does any in any way does that have
anything to do with happening in the court of law.
It's zero number five honor thy father and thy mother. Well,

(15:53):
I guess if you had a kid who was being
charged with stabbing his mom and leg I mean, I
guess that would apply. But for the most part, you know,
only in certain specific crimes. Could I see how this
would relate in any way? I find it mostly meanless.

(16:14):
Finally we get to one, thou shalt not kill. Finally,
finally we get to something from the Ten Commandments that
relates in any way, shape, form, or fashion to laws
we have today. Yes, murdering people is illegal, but not
killing people, because even in the Bible killing people is
it wrong. God told God told his people to kill
people in massive amounts. Babies, children, infants, women, boy, I

(16:36):
didn't care. He's like plow them all down. So clearly
God's for killing. So they say a better interpretation of
this is doubt shall not murder, And I guess murder
means you know, you can kill infants and little babies
and stuff as long as God tells you too. But
if he don't tell you too, then it's murder. I
guess I don't get a start on next. That's a
whole other subject, this whole God being pro life thing.

(16:57):
Clearly he's not pro life. He killed every single person
in the world one time except for eight people. Come on. Anyways,
maybe though thou shan not kill, if we change it
thou shalt not murder, then it does have some bearing
in some cases in court. So we give you one.
Number seven Thou shalt not commit adultery. So I guess
if you were in divorce court, this may be applical

(17:20):
in some kind of way, but other than that, committing
adultery is not illegal. You don't get locked up for
cheating on your wife. It's just it's not a legal thing.
It's a civil thing. Number eight Thou shall not steal. Okay,
lots of staffs and stuff happened, so you know we're
to number eight, And so far we have two that
in any way, shape, form or fashion. But then again,
why do we need it, Like we already have this

(17:41):
in the law. It's illegal to steal. We don't like
that's already written in the laws we have today. I
don't understand what having this document with a bunch of
nonsense that doesn't have anything to do with laws, like,
how does it help? How is it helping? Here's another one.
Number nine kind of relates in a way, thou should
not bear fault what it's against our neighbors. So obviously

(18:03):
you can't commit perjury in court. If you're on the stand,
you have to, you know, tell the truth, and if
you get caught line, you can be charged with perjury,
which is a crime. So in some ways nine, So
out of the we're up to nine so far. And
out of the nine we found three that in some
way minorly relate to what happens in court. Number ten

(18:23):
thou shalt not covet right, don't be jealous of what
somebody else has got. What does this have to do?
How is court served in any way by having this
plastered on the wall. It's just it makes no sense,
Like I don't understand it. I don't understand it. This
makes no sense. You know, be religious all you want,
believe in the Bible, believing in the commandments. You know,

(18:46):
for sure, stand up for your right to worship for sure,
stand up for your right to believe, for sure, stand
up for your right to do all those things. But
what does this have to do with anything. It's just nonsense.
It's just a feel. It just makes you feel good,
makesly you've accomplished something, is what it does. You're like, oh, well,
we got to tend command there in the courthouse. Now
things are gonna be good. Not things aren't gonna be good.
Now that's gonna be any better? Say anyway them is

(19:06):
hanging on some kind of a wall in the courthouse.
Ain't changing shit. It's not gonna change anying about how
many people break laws. It's not gonna change anything about
how the judge adjudicates what happens at the court. It's
not gonna change anything about how the prosecute execution makes
their case. Not gonna chang anything about how the devents
defends their clients. It's not gonna make any difference to
how the jurors on the court have to follow the
law is laid out to them by the judge and
have to how do they have to rule and vote.

(19:28):
It's not gonna affect one single thing. You've accomplished nothing.
Why all this hubbub over accomplishing not a damn thing.
There's so many other things in the world that you
could be putting your time and energy to that might
change something. None of this makes any difference. None of
this makes any difference. But I'll repeat what I said
earlier when we were talking about the superintendent and stuff.

(19:51):
The courthouse is an arm of the state. It's an
arm of the government. The prosecutor arm of the government.
The bailiffs in their arm of the government. The court
is an arm of the government. They are acting on
behalf of the government and enforcing things on behalf of
a government. They do not have any right responsibility and

(20:15):
no no way, under any legal way whatsoever can they
bring religion into a court proceeding. They just can't. They can't.
They legally, they can't do it. Imagine if you were
in court. And again, the Supreme Court takes this case, right,

(20:37):
this case gets challenged in Louisiana, and it makes it
all way up the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court rules, Yeah,
you can put religious documents in the courthouse, for sure,
you can. Well and I don't know Michigan. Let's say
there's a few states that have a reasonable population of Muslims,
by the way, not for the most part, not insane Muslims,

(21:00):
but you know decent people. I know a few myself. Well,
let's say you run across one who's you know, overly
into it or whatever. And now, since the Supreme Court,
because you've insisted that the Ten Commandments should be in court,
and you've pushed it all the way to Supreme Court,
and they ruled, yep, we can have religious documents in court.
We can pin it up on the wall. The judge

(21:21):
want said, yeah, absolutely. And so now you go to
court for some kind of a thing or your kid does,
or your cousin does or something, and you happened before
a judge who's a Muslim, and he's pasted parts of
the Koran on the wall that talks about Sharia law.
And the next thing you know, your son is being

(21:41):
put to death because the judge thought it was appropriate
because some shit he read in the Koran. You would
have been the person that caused that. You fighting for this,
You would be what caused to that. Your actions and
support of this would be what it inevitably led to that.
If you love the Ten Commandments and you believe them,
that's great. That's a personal religious decision for you. You

(22:06):
do that in your church, you do it at home
with your family. You do it when you go to
Sunday school, you do it when you have, you know,
religious meetings in your house, because's all kinds of places
you can do that and teach it and share it
and believe in it and rejoice in it and love it.
The state doesn't get to do any of that. You

(22:26):
can't have a state that endorses anything like that, because
once you allow the state to start endorsing a religion,
they can endorse any religion, which will come back to
bite you in the ass. So if you value your
freedom of religion, if you value this freedom and liberty
that you have in America, which is unrivaled in any
part of the world, then you better damn well fight

(22:47):
for it by keeping this shit out of the government.
With that, I bid you Ado
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