May 25, 2026 • 49 mins
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Summary
This episode explores the critical issues of school safety, violence, and the need for proactive security measures. Guest Jarred Weisfeld shares insights from his frontline experience, emphasizing transparency, security protocols, and parental involvement to protect students and staff.
Key topics
- School safety and security protocols
- Parental involvement and transparency
- Security measures including guards, drills, and technology
Titles
- School Safety Revolution: How to Protect Our Kids in 2024
- The Hidden Crisis in Schools: Security, Violence, and Parental Rights
Sound Bites
- "Darkness is falling on our country"
- "School safety is a parental right"
- "Legislation can make a difference"
Chapters
00:00
The Rise of Violence in Society
01:31
School Safety and Parental Responsibility
09:53
Mental Health and School Security
17:28
The Role of Law Enforcement in Schools
23:32
Accountability: Parents and Society's Role
24:51
Addressing School Safety Concerns
28:27
The Role of Parents and Community in School Security
32:39
The Importance of School Administration and Board Decisions
37:19
Challenges in School Environment and Student Behavior
40:35
Implementing Effective Safety Measures in Schools
Resources
- School Insecurity by Wayne Black
- Alyssa's Law (Legislation)
- Start Publishing
- Jared Weisfeld on LinkedIn
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SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
Live from the Clarity from Chaos Studios heard
worldwide, it's Dave Campbell.
On every episode, Dave and hisguests explore, discuss, and
work on solutions to some oflife's biggest challenges.
So if you're ready, be preparedto be enlightened, amused, and
even shocked by what you hear.
(00:32):
And now, the real, theauthentic, the one and only Dave
Campbell.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Welcome everyone.
I'm your host, Dave Campbell,and you are listening to Clarity
from Chaos.
I would like to thank you somuch for making us part of your
day.
Ladies and gentlemen, darknessis falling on our country, and
unless we understand and getinvolved, we will lose this
great country of ours.
The isolation created by andcontinues to be created by
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social media on our society, andthe access to violent video
games, I believe, is increasingthe violence in our society,
with a particular emphasis onour public schools and religious
institutions.
Efforts to combat this rise ofviolence is only being met with
a very timid response.
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I believe this effort is beingled by people who want to spread
chaos and hate among us, andunless we stand up to it, it's
only going to get worse.
But before we move on, I'd liketo play an excerpt from a movie
released in 1976.
And for those of you old enough,this was during the middle of
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the second worst presidency inour country's history, the
Carter years.
The movie was called Network,and Peter Flinch, aka Howard
Beale, gave what I thinksummarizes where we are today
after the four worst years of apresidency and a media empire
controlled only by six people.
(02:06):
So here we go, and I hope youenjoyed this.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Everybody knows things are bad.
It's a depression.
Everybody's out of work orscared or losing their job.
The dollar buys a nickel'sworth.
Banks are going bust,shopkeepers keep a gun under the
counter.
Punks are running wild in thestreet, and there's nobody
anywhere who seems to know whatto do, and there's no end to it.
We know the air is unfit tobreathe, and our food is unfit
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to eat.
We sit watching our TVs whilesome local newscaster tells us
that today we had 15 homicidesand 63 violent crimes, as if
that's the way it's supposed tobe.
We know things are bad, worsethan bad.
They're crazy.
It's like everything everywhereis going crazy, so we don't go
out anymore.
We sit in the house, and slowlythe world we're living in is
getting smaller, and all we sayis please at least leave us
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alone in our living rooms.
Let me have my toaster and my TVand my steel belted radios, and
I won't say anything.
Just leave us alone.
Well, I'm not gonna leave youalone.
I want you to get mad.
I don't want you to protest, Idon't want you to ride, I don't
want you to write to yourcongressman because I wouldn't
know what to tell you to write.
I don't know what to do aboutthe depression and the inflation
and the Russians and the crimein the street.
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All I know is that first you'vegot to get mad.
You've got to say, I'm a humanbeing.
God damn it! My life has value.
So I want you to get up now.
I want all of you to get up outof your chairs.
I want you to get up right nowand go to the window, open it,
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and stick your head out andyell, I'm as mad as hell, and
I'm not gonna take this anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (03:48):
Our guest on this edition of Clarity will help us
explore the topic of violence inour public schools.
He is someone who has been onthe front lines leading a
growing school safety movement.
He is the CEO and currently thepresident of Start Publishing.
Start is a publisher ofhigh-quality titles in a variety
of areas, such as sciencefiction, fantasy, thrillers, and
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how-to books.
Currently, Start has over 6,000titles, which are being
distributed by Sheiman, Simon,and Schuster.
Welcome to the show, Jared.
Hi, thanks for having me, Dave.
So how did you how did you getinvolved in in the effort of
pushing you know the schoolsafety piece?
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What what's the compelling piecebehind that?
SPEAKER_04 (04:37):
Uh an incident happened at my uh children's
school um that involved a kidbringing a box cutter to school,
having it confiscated, laterthat day, stabbing a girl with a
pencil, and then um writing uhthere was a boy that you know
said to the the child, can youjust leave her alone?
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And the child created a killlist.
Um later on that day, the samechild uh looked on his Google
Chromebook computer, not killinganyone.
The kid remained in school.
Um the parents of the boy werenever notified that he was on a
kill list.
And when I found out, I kind ofrealized that, you know, people
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need to know transparency isimportant.
And it's not an administrator'sjob to decide whether or not
your kids are safe in school.
That's a parent's job.
That's parental, you know,that's a parental right.
And that was being withheld fromthat parent.
Now the school had told theparent, because the school told,
you know, the the kid to go homeand tell his parents that they
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were gonna be really angry.
And so the kid thought that, youknow, 11-year-old kid, he
thought, you know, they weregonna be angry with him that he
did something wrong.
And so when he came home andtold his parents, they thought
he was crazy.
Wait, all this happened inschool and and nobody called us?
Nobody said anything?
Yeah.
Nobody said anything.
And and then the followingMonday, the the mother called
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and asked the school, and theysaid that he, you know, wasn't
telling the truth.
And the mom said, Well, did hebring a weapon to school?
And they said, No, it was aninappropriate item to have
brought to school.
And the mom says, Well, was itconfiscated by the police?
And they said, Yes.
And then she said, Well, wasthere a kill list later on that
day?
And they said, No, it wasn't akill list, it was a statement
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written on a piece of paper.
Well, what did the statementsay?
Well, it said that, you know,bucket list, kill, and it named
the two students.
So basically they lied.
Um, and then the mom said, Well,where's the where's that kid
now?
And they said, Well, he's inclass with your kids.
Oh, that's great.
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And the mom rushed to school andtook the two kids out of school,
um, her two kids out of school.
And then, you know, there was ameeting that I was a part of
with the police chief, thesuperintendent, the board member
Pamela Stanley, superintendents,Dr.
Melissa Varley, um, the policechief, uh, the principal of the
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school, and a detective.
Um, and in that meeting, it wasquite clear that their answer,
not the police's answer, but theschool's answer was to move my
because I didn't want my kids inclass with the kid.
Their they wanted to move mykids' class to accommodate, you
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know, this child.
Um, and I wasn't having that.
I told the board member, PamelaStanley, that she was a woke
joke.
Um, and then I asked, you know,a very simple question.
You know, if it was your kid,would they be in school right
now?
And the police chief was the onethat answered and he said no.
Um, and so it was a battle.
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And then, you know, finally thepolice resolved the matter by
getting a no contact order.
I think the first in New Jerseyagainst three 11-year-olds.
So the kid had to leave school.
And it wasn't the school thatwanted the kid out, it was the
police, it was the prosecutor.
Um, they just didn't want thekid in in school.
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They thought he was dangerous.
So, I mean, it it, you know, youhave a problem in which like the
school would rather take thechance of something happening
than, you know, accommodate thatchild by putting him in a
special school or homeschooledor whatever it may be that will
cost them money.
So like hiding it was was thebest way.
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But I said to the school, like,you need to be transparent, you
need to tell parents whathappened, right?
And they refused.
So I did it at a board meeting.
And little did I know that thesuperintendent had no idea that
I knew it was a box cutter thatthe kid brought to school.
So the superintendent said tothe media it was an
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inappropriate item that wasbrought to school, um, not a
weapon.
And then proceeded to say someother stuff.
Like this didn't it basicallycall me erroneous, which is a
liar in the press.
But, you know, what she didn'trealize was that I knew it was a
box cutter.
And then she got all angry andthen she leaked my emails to the
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media, right?
So it was kind of like, howcould we protect ourselves?
And it was like just dig deeperand deeper and deeper.
Right.
Now that superintendent is nolonger the superintendent,
right?
She's cleaning pools now inMyrtle Beach, South Carolina.
So she's not in educationanymore, which is a good thing.
Um, the board member PamelaStanley is still on the board,
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and the other board member, Dr.
Foriger, who actually saw thekill list, not only are they
still on the board of education,but they're in charge of the
harassment, intimidation, andbullying um liaisons.
So, I mean, it is what it is.
You know, I've been fightingbecause there's, you know, six
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schools, a budget of roughly 63million dollars, and there's
only four security guards.
So there's two schools thatdon't have security at all
times.
Right.
And my argument, right, is wehave equity of opportunity,
right?
Where every kid has the right tohave a textbook, has a right to
learn, has a right to have aChromebook, lunch.
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Every kid also has the abilityto feel safe in school.
And so if you have four securityguards for six schools, that's
not equity of opportunity.
No.
So um it's like I always say,right, you can't have, you know,
not every kid's gonna be sixfoot five and play in the NBA.
Right.
Not every kid is gonna be an Astudent in English, math, social
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studies, and science, right?
It's just not possible.
But what is possible is makingsure that every school has a
security guard.
Um, and in our district with a$63 million budget, they do not.
Um, and that's something I'mfighting for is to get every
school to have a security guard.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Well, yeah, I I would agree.
But and the flip side of that isthe child that's expressing this
violent behavior should betaken, you know, should be
handled as well, right?
The kids should feel safe, butthe kid that has all of those
violent tendencies, that needsto be, that needs to be
discussed with um with you knowthe the proper medical attention
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and everything else.
Um he shouldn't just be shuffledoff to another school or or
anything else, right?
SPEAKER_04 (11:43):
So that was one of the the main points um that I
discussed with the police, um,that you know, we can't have
this kid in another school.
Right.
This kid needs help.
SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:57):
And so they agreed they were never gonna let the
kid into another school, like,hey, you're gonna go to this
town and you know, you're gonna,you know, do the same thing over
there at that school.
Right.
I made sure that that wasn'tgonna happen.
So, um, because I I like gettinghim out of our school.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's like getting himinto another school wouldn't
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have cured the problem, right?
No, because it just moves it.
Right.
So you can't like that wasn'tacceptable to me.
So that was handled.
The the part that really gets meis that you know, it took me to
have the kid get the mentalhealth therapy that he needed.
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Um, the school just kind ofdidn't do it, right?
It it's the easy thing tooverlook it.
Um and when you haveadministrators that would rather
have a kid in school and takethat chance, right, as opposed
to putting that child in homeschooling or a school that deals
with kids that that have theseissues, um was quite troubling
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to me.
You know, I I'm a big believerthat just in general, if a kid
is like severely autistic,right, they should be afforded
the ability to go to a schoolthat would, you know, that that
caters to kids that areautistic.
Um they, you know,unfortunately, parents have to
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fight.
Autistic parents have to fightto get their kids the proper,
and that's just not right.
Um yeah, and budget-basedsecurity just doesn't work,
right?
It's you you can't put a a lifelike you you do what you have to
do.
You can't say, okay, we have a$500,000 this year to for
security, right?
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You have to do what isappropriate.
And sometimes, you know, maybeit's$1.5 million.
Now, here's the kicker, Dave.
How many, how much money do youthink it costs to add two more
security guards to the schools?
And we're talking about retiredSLEO3 officers.
Probably less than$100,000.
Yeah, it's$42,000 per officer.
(14:04):
Right.
Yeah, that's what I figured.
Yeah,$84,000 on a budget of$63,roughly$63 million.
SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Right.
And the FBI, as they've alreadyshown with the incident in, I
believe it was Michigan at thesynagogue, where they came in
and they trained staff for uh anactive shooter incident.
And that could be an activeshooter, that could be, in your
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case, you know, a kid with a zipknife or, you know, a box
cutter.
It could be anything, right?
Um, but it requires thetraining.
And the FBI, I believe, is morethan willing to come in and
train on a periodic basis.
Of course.
These uh these retired people.
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Plus, you have all of theretired military individuals,
just like you have, you know,policemen that do um uh side
jobs, if you will.
They have side gigs, you know.
Um you you have you have theopportunity to bring those
people in.
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For for I mean, you you can'tput a uh a calculation around
the the number uh relative toyou know to saving a human life
or stopping an incident.
Just like um, you know,religious institutions now, it's
not uncommon to see three orfour sheriffs or whatever
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walking around in thecongregation or in particular
positions in a congregationduring a service because of this
precise threat.
But we don't see that kind ofactive um safety and security
around our public schools.
SPEAKER_04 (15:53):
Yeah, so schools and places of worship are considered
um soft targets.
Right.
Um, and that's something that,you know, like for example, the,
you know, in where the theprincipal saved all the kids'
lives um by jumping on the theschool shooter and getting shot.
My big question was how'd thatkid get into school?
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Right.
Did he just walk in?
Like, because the doors aresupposed to be locked.
And then the other schoolshooting where the the the guy
uh you know took a gun and youknow broke the glass and got in
that way.
Well, it's like five to sevenhundred dollars to bulletproof
the front door with glass.
Um and that the kid never wouldhave, you know, it never would
have happened.
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So it's little things that wecan do.
And we, you know, we need totrain kids and teachers not to
open up the doors from theinside of the school.
Right.
Um, and these are things, andand homeland security also, by
the way, would will come toschools uh if they need to and
and talk to them about thingsthat they need to look out for,
uh, you know, dangerous thingsthat, you know, they could see
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like uh well concerningbehavior.
But, you know, what I discoveredthe most throughout this entire
process is that there are waysin which you could protect the
schools.
However, you have people thatthink that police officers are
scary, that police officers aregoing to be there to arrest
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their children.
Um, it's not like the old dayswhere you know the police
officers were welcome in theschool, you know, you could play
soccer and dodgeball with them.
Now, you know, parents trulybelieve for some reason that
parents are there to arrestchildren in school.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Well, which is not the case.
No, but if you listen, if youlook and listen, just for
example, the silliness that wenton in Minneapolis with ICE.
Um people, you know, and and Iblame this on the media, they
have so degraded the level ofrespect for authority that you
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know we sit here and listenedevery day on the news at our
politicians berating people thatare trying to do the right
things and everything else.
And the kids are picking up onall of this, right?
So, and you have illegals inprobably in a lot of these
schools where they're absolutelyterrified that if you put an
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officer involved, they're gonnalose their child to, you know,
to uh deportation or whatever.
Um so the it comes with a lot ofthings, but nobody's stepping up
to actually start to put someresolution around these.
And we've got thousands ofschools that are, to your point,
are soft targets.
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And and there's very, very fewstate legislatures, much less
our own political morons inWashington that are doing a damn
thing about this.
SPEAKER_04 (18:58):
Yeah, so my thoughts um on Washington is very simple
is if you don't have a schoolresource officer or you don't
have security in your school,then you shouldn't get funding.
Right?
You just shouldn't get funding.
And you'll get your funding whenyou protect your schools.
Yeah.
Because, you know, there has tobe a way to strong arm districts
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into, you know, I mean, you haveto look at it, it's like an
insurance policy, right?
It's an insurance policy to makesure that nothing's gonna happen
in a school.
So take the the the incidentthat happened two days ago where
you had the security guard,right?
He saved probably 140 lives.
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There was a there was a a schoolinside there that had 140
children.
Right.
Um, and if you didn't have asecurity guard there, like God
knows what would have happened.
So even though that security, Imean the security guard died,
um, but he was able to fend themoff and the school went into
lockdown.
And then all the surroundingschools went into lockdown as
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well.
So, I mean, they do lockdowndrills.
You have to by law.
Um, each state, you know, youhave to do the lockdown drills.
But hey, look, Florida is doingsomething really cutting edge.
There's a district there thathas like um like guardian angel
drones that follow the SROofficer, and these things fly at
70 miles an hour.
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Um, and they're beingimplemented in in schools and
pilot programs.
And look, whatever we have to doto protect our children is what
we have to do.
Because like I always say,there's only two things, no two
things that normal parents want,and that's for their kids to
learn and their kids to comehome safe.
Right.
Those are the two most importantthings.
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And I think that gets lost byadministrators and bloated
budgets, and you know, thereshould be no price on a you
know, a child sitting in themiddle.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
No, and and we constantly hear about how much
money we're spending per perstudent, but we very rarely
hear, if at all, how much we'rehow much we're spending or what
we're doing to manage the safetyof our our students.
SPEAKER_04 (21:13):
Well, you'll have no students if you don't have any
security officers, right?
Like everybody go to privateschool, the the school will go
out of business.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
And yeah.
Yeah, and I think it ought to goto yeah, I we ought to take it
up to the university level aswell.
Because, you know, we've seenwe've seen recently several
incidences where cameras are allover the place except for
miraculously in the place wherethe shooting took place.
Um so I you know, I think I I Ijust think all areas of
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assembly, rather it's a house ofworship, uh, education or
whatever, they need to be takingall of this very, very seriously
because it it just Seems to methe level of violence against
these targets is increasingalmost daily.
SPEAKER_04 (22:07):
Yeah.
I mean, think about this.
The the typical school shooterused to be the loner white kid
that used to kill his animals orregular animals, right?
Now it's morphed.
Now you have um transgenderstudents, you have uh you have
that that African Americansix-year-old kid that shot his
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teacher in the stomach, whichjust came out in the news that,
you know, yeah, that they knewhe had a gun.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
Yeah, and and and she got dismissed.
Uh, the the judge dismissed thecharges against the um the
principal who knew that this wasan issue.
SPEAKER_04 (22:48):
Yeah, so they were waiting for the mom to come to
pick up the kid.
Um they knew he had it.
It was the end of the day.
They didn't want to like cause astir.
Meanwhile, like people had seenthat gun throughout the day.
And I I mean, they could havejust literally called 911 and
said, we have a kid that has agun in school.
Please, we need you.
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Right.
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
But um But but here's the other thing, here's
the other thing, Jared.
Um, in the articles that I thatI published over this particular
incident, I was going to bringit up tonight and talking with
you.
Um there's no mention of theparents.
There's no apparent or parentalaccountability around any of
this.
It's all what you and I havebeen talking about is um
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accountability to the schoolsystem to uh get security guards
and everything else.
The flip side of this is theparent side of it, who possibly
has a child that is locked in,you know, the home alone kid
because both parents are workingand he's saturated with all of
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this video game crap andeverything else.
He's isolated, you know, he onlyhas the internet, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, and you know,ends up doing something like
this.
The parents should also be thefront line of this, right?
I talk about that as well.
SPEAKER_04 (24:09):
I talk about how um I find it hard to believe that
parents don't realize that theirkids are have swastikas in the
house or like worshiping AdolfHitler, have tattoos.
Right.
Um, or the fact that they haveguns and ammunition.
Um, I find it hard to believethat parents have no idea, do
they not clean rooms?
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Do they not go into like roomsand they have to know?
They just ignore it, or theythink, oh my, it's just my
child, he's he's not gonna doanything bad.
But the the point is, is it'skind of like how'd that
six-year-old get a gun?
Right.
Right?
Did his parents not have itlocked in a safe?
Right.
Um, and like how are these otherkids, these 17 and 18-year-old
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kids, like, where are theygetting these weapons from?
They're getting them from theirhouse.
Right?
And in order to like stop this,uh, you know, parents need to be
thrown in jail, right?
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Yeah, but I don't yeah, I I don't want the
discussion to be gun controlbecause Oh no, no, I'm not
talking about gun control.
No, no, no, I know you're not,but that's where the
conversation always ends upgoing, is where does a
six-year-old get a gun?
And you know, the parent shouldbe held accountable for you know
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the the um access to a to afirearm.
SPEAKER_04 (25:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, is that the parent,
if the parent doesn't have theirfirearm locked, knowing that
they have a six-year-old child,like that parent needs to be
held accountable.
Um you know, because that's thewhole point of having gun safes,
right?
Is to keep them away from kids.
Exactly.
So go ahead.
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Yeah, no, so I'm not I'm notblaming, I'm I'm blaming the the
parents.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah.
I was just gonna say, you know,this is this should not, and it
always ends up being a guncontrol issue because
politicians, that's the firstplace they jump is gun control
on uh a tragic incident likethis.
But they they never really talkabout the root causes of it.
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They never go after anythingthat would attribute to an
individual being isolated all ofhis life, maybe possibly being
bullied, having mental healthissues and everything else.
Because, you know, quitefrankly, you can do some serious
damage with a number two pencilif you have the right frame of
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mind.
You know, it doesn't have to bea firearm because all if you put
a pencil into somebody's eyesocket, you know, it's uh gonna
end up having the same effect.
No, I agree.
SPEAKER_04 (26:47):
And the and the ultimate issue also is that, you
know, teachers, like when I wasgrowing up, like I was scared of
my teachers.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, you can't do it.
Now the teachers are like scaredof the children.
Right.
And it's it's it's done a flip.
And uh that's a problem, isthere's no accountability, it's
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not strict anymore.
Right.
And you have that issue of likethe kid being in control because
they don't want the kid to gohome and tell the parents, and
then the parents call theschool, right?
And then the school yells at theteacher.
It's never the kid's fault,right?
It's always like somebody else'sfault in the parents' eyes.
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Right.
So, you know, it's like the oldsaying is like the kid didn't
get a D, right?
The teacher's the one thatdidn't teach, and that's why the
kid got the D.
Right.
Um, but I I think look, the realway to cure this problem, and
it's not something that that'spopular, and I don't care about
being popular, but it's to havemetal detectors before you enter
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the school, right?
You have a police officer there,and you have them remove the
weapons if there's any weaponsfrom the kids.
Those kids go, you know, towhere they need to go with the
police, and the kids go in,right?
So that way you know that it'sprotected that way.
Now the question is, is like, doyou have some of these kids that
open up doors that are in theschool?
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And you can't legally lock thedoors because you need like kids
need to get out in case of anemergency.
Right.
So we have to educate thechildren, and teachers, by the
way, do open up those doors aswell.
So we need to educate on whythose doors should always be
locked.
So part of my situation was thatum a teacher in my kids' school,
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like there was a lockdown drill,and the police went around and
the teacher they opened up thedoor because the teacher didn't
lock it.
And then the police said, Youneed to lock the door, right?
So then they went around for asecond time and they opened up
the teacher's door for a secondtime.
Teacher didn't lock it again.
So to me, that's a failedlockdown drill, right?
(29:07):
Um, the school was touting it inemails, like, oh, we did a
lockdown drill, everything wentwell, everything.
No, it didn't go well, right?
Like, just be honest.
It didn't go well.
We need to work on it, and wepromise we will.
And we'll like that's the onlyway is you just keep drilling.
And if a teacher makes amistake, you have to punish that
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teacher.
Yeah.
It can't simply be, oh yeah,just don't do it next time,
right?
It needs to be they getsuspended.
Like something has to happen sothat other teachers in that
building are like, oh no, webetter make sure our doors are
locked.
So, and by the way, like acouple months later, or maybe
like a year later, it was in atime frame, but they brought in
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a security consultant to, youknow, watch a lockdown drill.
And the principal choked, right,and said, This is not a lockdown
drill, right?
This is real.
And you had kids scrambling, butyou know, it was just a drill,
right?
He made a mistake.
And he waited until the end ofit to admit that he made a
(30:12):
mistake.
Um, and meanwhile, you had kidslike thinking like, what's going
on in here, right?
So like they're not trainedproperly.
SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
Yeah, exactly.
And and our our like I said, ourpoliticians, they don't know
they don't even want to addressit because one side sees it as
you know uh uh grabbing for guncontrol, the other side is
fighting gun control, butneither side is looking at the
real issue.
(30:42):
You know, the the the issue isnot gun control.
The real issue is we havevulnerable soft targets, and we
have crazies walking around inthe streets.
For whatever reason, whatevertheir motivation is, they're
looking at these things as a asa way to get their grievance
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out, right?
They've been aggrieved for somereason, Lord knows what, whether
it's the fact that they wereborn, they're the wrong color,
they're whatever, theirgirlfriend, uh you know, it just
could be a multitude of reasons.
But until we start to understandthe psychology of all of this
and the psychology of whatthey're trying to do, and the
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fact that these schools are sovulnerable to something like
this, uh we're gonna continue tosee these kinds of things, and
there's gonna be the loss oflife.
There's gonna, you know, peopleare lives are gonna be destroyed
and everything else when we wecould, if collectively put our
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heads together, solve a greatdeal of of this just by simply
acknowledging and being honestabout it and moving forward with
it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:02):
I remember Ted Cruz um put up a bill um after uh
Uvalde, I believe it was Uvalde,he um put up a bill saying that
all the COVID relief money thatthe schools had that was extra,
right, they should be forced touse that money for school
security.
Um and it didn't go through.
(32:23):
Nope.
Yeah.
No.
So that was that was a smart wayto do it because all these
schools had extra COVID money.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, precisely.
But I like your idea that youjust you you just stop the
funding because every school,every school is on that, is is
part of that meal ticket, right?
Every school is part of thatmeal ticket.
And you just cut the funding offuntil they can come up with a
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legitimate security plan, submitit, have it approved, have it
implemented, and then and thenaudit on a very timely basis the
actual input, you know, theimplementation of it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:04):
Yeah, and another thing is that you know, we
really have to watch who weelect to the board of education.
Yeah.
And that goes back to theparents, right?
Yeah.
So I always, you know, say topeople before they move into
towns, like, watch the boardmeeting and see if these parents
the board members are are batbat crazy.
unknown (33:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (33:24):
Um and if they are, like, don't move to that town.
Um, so it's where you used tolike now you can watch the board
meetings and you can be like, ohno, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I shouldn't have lived there.
Um, but you know, there's simplethings, especially in my town,
that they have issues with.
Like parents have to give theirlicense now when they enter a
school.
And people think that that'slike an invasion of people's
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privacy.
And I say to them, right, so letme understand this, right?
So you have to give a license tothe school, which I'm shocked
you haven't had to do likeforever.
And all the school is doing ismaking sure that the person
that's coming into the buildingactually has a child in the
school, right?
Isn't on Meghan's law, uh, isn'tuh there's not a custody dispute
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where like the kid might getkidnapped.
And then they also need to knowhow many people are in the
school in case of an evacuation.
Right.
Um, but they thought it was aninvasion of privacy.
And I, you know, I said, so youthink the executive assistants
and the assistants are gonnaopen up Kohl's cards?
Like, what are they gonna dowith your license?
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Well, you've got to, I mean, if you fly on an
airplane, you've got to produceyour license.
Um if you vote in most places,you have to produce your
license.
So it's kind of like give me abreak, you know.
Uh if you've got a license,produce the damn thing.
It's not like somebody's gonnasteal your identity.
But then you also have to thinkabout it this way, right?
SPEAKER_04 (34:48):
Is like how'd they get to school, did they drive?
And if they drove, like you needa license to drive.
Right, exactly.
Supposedly, right?
So, you know, it's we reallyneed to harden our schools.
And it's not that difficult todo that.
(35:09):
No.
You just need people that arewilling to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
Yeah, it just takes the will and the focus to do it.
Um and and it takesunfortunately, it's gonna take a
huge outcry from the parents toget it done.
And that usually only happensafter a tragedy.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Yeah, no, it's you know, unfortunately, like in in
our district, you know, theyasked uh they took a survey of
parents and about 69% of theparents um wanted security in
the schools, in those twoschools.
Um and it was overlooked.
They didn't add it to thebudget.
So, I mean, there's also otherways, right?
(35:49):
Like you could take it out oflike they could change the laws
so that the capital improvementbudgets, right?
Like for like a boiler, likemaybe they can use that.
There are millions of ways inwhich they could get that money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:01):
If it was in if it was their child at risk and it
was important enough, they'd figfigure out a way to do it.
But but unfortunately,unfortunately, what is they
usually look at it's somebodyelse's child, um, so therefore
it doesn't impact them.
Um and and there's all kinds ofother silly, silly reasons for
(36:24):
it, um, none of which make anydamn sense at all.
But unfortunately, that's wherewe're at.
SPEAKER_04 (36:31):
Yeah, we had a board member, uh, Dr.
Forger, like, I don't know, acouple of years ago, asked a
former business administrator,um, do you think because people
wanted police officers in theschools, right?
Do you think our elementaryschools are safe?
He asked that to a businessadministrator.
You think he would have asked itto like a police officer or
(36:51):
somebody?
Right.
Um, and she said, I'm not gonnaanswer that question.
But the the reality is, is youknow, he's an older man, right?
Um, and you know, and it's notthe Flintstones anymore, right?
They're not rocks.
These kids have guns.
And it's a real problem now, youknow, and he's fiscally like he
(37:14):
he cares about not spendingwasteful money, but it's not
wasteful money, right?
Like, if he had grandkids orkids or whatever it is in the in
the school, maybe he's gotgrandkids in the school.
I have no idea.
But the point is, is that weshould be thinking, and you
know, I say this to the thesuperintendent, right?
And I say it to the businessadministrator, right?
(37:35):
You have 2300 of you have 2300students in the school, right?
From the the you know, theminute the bell rings in the in
the morning to the to the end,right?
You have 2300 kids, right?
So those 2300 kids are yourresponsibility, right?
So how are you gonna protectthose 2300 kids?
SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (37:58):
How are you gonna like how are you gonna explain
to parents, you know, that thekid's life in in elementary
school is not as important as akid's life in the high school or
in the middle school?
So that's something that, youknow, you need to.
I mean, listen, my my districtclearly has problems, right?
We had a teacher that justresigned and he's taking like
(38:21):
$30,000 less money to go toanother district.
Um, and like I've never heard ofa teacher taking uh less money
to go to a to go to anotherdistrict.
We lost our principal at thehigh school.
We lost our assistant principalat the high school.
We just lost our principal atthe middle school, right?
So I think what we've been goinglike through principals like
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like it's nothing.
And clearly there's there's anissue, right?
That they they need to figureout.
Um I don't like I don't knowwhat the issue is.
Maybe it's the board ofeducation, maybe it's the
superintendent, maybe it's thepeople that work in the like I
have no idea, but clearlythere's something wrong.
Right.
And the enrollment hasdrastically gone down.
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So kids aren't going, a lot ofkids aren't going from the
middle school to the highschool.
And I could tell you why isbecause the middle school, like
there, you have kids that areliterally defecating on the
bathroom floor.
You have kids that are peeing inthe hand warmers to see if
they'll work afterwards, right?
So you have a problem and youdon't want kids, right?
(39:33):
Like kids that are there tolearn, right?
Don't want to go to a schoolwhere you have kids that do that
kind of stuff.
Right.
So they leave.
Um, and now we have like magnetschools, and kids are going to
the magnet schools.
So it's, you know, a lot ofthis, to be honest with you, is
(39:53):
like look, teachers know whenthey have a kid that has a real
problem.
Right.
Right.
They need to speak up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:02):
Right.
But unfortunately Yeah, I wasgonna say, unfortunately, our
society more and more is puttingthe thumb on anybody that wants
to raise an objection towhatever somebody else's, if
they've got a louder voice,their ideology or their their
viewpoint.
Um, you know, we we treatwhistleblowers with such disdain
(40:24):
anymore when they're all they'retrying to do for the most part
is come forward and explain aproblem so that it can get
solved.
Um, because I, you know, I I getthe distinct impression we don't
want to solve anything anymore.
All we want to do is complainabout it.
SPEAKER_04 (40:40):
Yeah.
I mean, I hear stories allacross the country from
different parents that havesimilar issues.
Some of them have issues that,you know, you wouldn't even
understand why, you know, thethe that kid is still in school,
right?
Right.
So, or that kid hasn't likeharmed themselves because of all
(41:01):
the stuff that's been done tothem.
And the the issue is is like theschools for some reason, right,
they they victim shame, right?
It's like they're gonna protectthe the person that's causing
all these problems.
Right.
And, you know, and you know, Icould tell you when I was
growing up, right?
(41:22):
Like, I wouldn't like I wouldn'tstep out of line.
I like I I knew theramifications, right?
There were there might therewere ramifications.
Like if my principal went to theright, I went to the left,
right?
Middle school principal, helikes to high five these kids in
the morning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:38):
No, it's uh no, yeah, this it's it's kind of
like it's kind of like what I'veseen in parenting.
Parents want to be friends, theydon't want to be parents.
Teachers want to be friends,they don't want to be teachers
or uh viewed as um um authority,right?
They want they want to be partof it, not and and so they've
(42:02):
got their roles completelyskewed, right?
Um teachers teachers should bethere to teach and to you know
to to to move their theirknowledge into the students.
They're not there to be a buddyor whatever with with the kids.
That that's not where the that'snot the goal.
(42:23):
So the whole the whole paradigmis skewed.
SPEAKER_04 (42:26):
Well, you also have now, so when I was growing up,
right, we you know, there werethe kids that couldn't behave
were in their own classroom,right?
They weren't mixed in with theother kids.
Now they're mixed in.
So you have paraprofessionalsall over the place that are
(42:46):
there to like make sure thatkids behave.
SPEAKER_02 (42:49):
So Yeah.
So let's recap.
Let's recap, Jared, on thethings that need to be done.
I'm we've talked about training.
Um go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Alyssa's law is a big law from Lori Aladeff, whose
daughter died in Parkland onValentine's Day.
Um, that law is passed innumerous states where, you know,
there's uh basically a panic,panic button, and teachers can
lock down the school just bygoing on their school phones and
(43:21):
and you know, punching in anumber and the school will go
straight into a lockdown.
You have that, right?
But the main thing that you needis you need to make sure that
your doors are locked.
You need to make sure that thosefront doors, if there's glass,
they're bulletproof, which isonly$500 to$700.
It's cheap.
And then you got to have asecurity guard there, and you
(43:42):
have to train these kids, andyou have to train the teachers
and the principals andeverything.
Like, hey, listen, like if a kidopens up a door, like they need
to have they need to besuspended, right?
Like you need to show that youknow there's a Yeah.
And because when you open up thedoor, right?
(44:03):
Like you don't know who'soutside.
Maybe, you know, like your maybeyour friend knocked on the door
and your friend that day decidedhe wanted to come to school and
kill everybody.
So the point is, is like, andand we're not saying, you know,
give the math teacher and givethe gym teacher guns, right?
Like you want trained people.
Like you want a security guardthat's dedicated solely to
(44:26):
protecting the students.
And that's, you know, that'swhat I think parents need to go
to their school boards.
They need to, first of all, theyneed to realize I had no idea.
I'm going to be completelyhonest with you.
I had no idea that every schoolin our town didn't have a
security guard.
I thought it was just like, whenI found out, I was like, what do
you mean they don't havesecurity guards?
(44:48):
Right.
And they just didn't.
And it makes zero sense to me.
It's not a teacher's job, right?
To like tackle a student.
It's just not.
It's it's a security guard'sjob.
It's like with that principal,right?
It wasn't his job to tackle thatkid and get shot.
But, you know, it was an SRO.
(45:08):
But but the door, like, I haveno idea how the kid got into
school.
Like, these are things that weneed to analyze and do autopsies
on and say, okay, well, thisschool did it wrong.
But we have to be vocal aboutit.
There, there needs to be anational, you know, movement
that says, hey, okay, this iswhat happened here.
And we need to make sure that itdoesn't happen here.
(45:31):
Right.
So the and and that doesn't, forexample, like fire drills,
right?
Like I'm not a big fan of firedrills because on fire drills,
somebody pulls down the firedrill, everybody goes outside,
it's open season.
Right?
Somebody could just, I mean, soI'm a big believer that the fire
drill should only occur if youactually smell fire.
(45:51):
It shouldn't be a fire drill.
It should be like if you smellfire, like that's when the fire
alarm should go off.
Right.
But, you know, we really,really, really need to, you
know, speak to the governmentand the and the officials, the
government officials, and say,hey, listen, this aid's gotta
stop, right?
You can't keep giving aid tothese schools.
Right.
Well, you have to step up.
SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
Yeah, the politicians need to step up.
They need to put their big boypants on and actually solve an
issue that's becoming more andmore um an occurrence in our
society.
And it and it's shameful becausethere's too many simple steps
that that can be implementedthat will solve a lot of this.
SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
You know what they do in Florida if you don't have
a school resource officer or atrained officer of some kind in
your school?
Superintendent doesn't get paid.
SPEAKER_02 (46:47):
There you go.
There you go.
Um, so everybody moved toFlorida.
Um w we've been talking to Mr.
Jerry, Jared Weisfeld, and I Ican't thank you enough.
Where can people go out on doyou have a social media place
where people can go getinformation, Jared?
SPEAKER_04 (47:08):
Yeah, they can just reach out to me on LinkedIn.
Okay.
And if you have any questionsabout any the safety of your
child, any advice you need, um,I'd be more than willing to help
you and put you in touch withthe the appropriate person.
I mean, there's nobody better inthe sec school security business
than Wayne Black.
And there's a s there's a bookyou could read that he wrote
called School Insecurity.
(47:30):
And that'll tell you more abouthow you can um protect your your
children at the school.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Well again.
SPEAKER_04 (47:38):
And he's actually, I think I just read he's doing
another book on how to protectplaces of worship, houses of
worship.
SPEAKER_02 (47:44):
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Again, we've been talking to Mr.
Jared Weisfeld, and I can'tthank you enough for coming on.
And this is this is a topic ofthe utmost importance because A,
it's it's it's a complexproblem, but B, it it's it's
with a little bit of resolutioncould be greatly the number of
(48:08):
these incidents could be reduceda great deal if people, you
know, with the awareness andpeople just start starting to
react to hardening their schoolsfor the safety of the kids.
Yeah, I just I just wish people,you know, spoke up more.
Yeah.
Well, unfortunately, we live ata time where speaking up about
(48:32):
problems doesn't seem to be theproper way to do it because
somebody's always out therewanting to uh put their thumb on
it.
So anyway, Jared, it's been anabsolute pleasure, sir, and I
hope to have you back on again.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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Be well, everyone.
Live from the Clarity from Chaos Studios heard
worldwide, it's Dave Campbell.
On every episode, Dave and hisguests explore, discuss, and
work on solutions to some oflife's biggest challenges.
So if you're ready, be preparedto be enlightened, amused, and
even shocked by what you hear.
(00:32):
And now, the real, theauthentic, the one and only Dave
Campbell.
SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Welcome everyone.
I'm your host, Dave Campbell,and you are listening to Clarity
from Chaos.
I would like to thank you somuch for making us part of your
day.
Ladies and gentlemen, darknessis falling on our country, and
unless we understand and getinvolved, we will lose this
great country of ours.
The isolation created by andcontinues to be created by
(01:02):
social media on our society, andthe access to violent video
games, I believe, is increasingthe violence in our society,
with a particular emphasis onour public schools and religious
institutions.
Efforts to combat this rise ofviolence is only being met with
a very timid response.
(01:23):
I believe this effort is beingled by people who want to spread
chaos and hate among us, andunless we stand up to it, it's
only going to get worse.
But before we move on, I'd liketo play an excerpt from a movie
released in 1976.
And for those of you old enough,this was during the middle of
(01:44):
the second worst presidency inour country's history, the
Carter years.
The movie was called Network,and Peter Flinch, aka Howard
Beale, gave what I thinksummarizes where we are today
after the four worst years of apresidency and a media empire
controlled only by six people.
(02:06):
So here we go, and I hope youenjoyed this.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Everybody knows things are bad.
It's a depression.
Everybody's out of work orscared or losing their job.
The dollar buys a nickel'sworth.
Banks are going bust,shopkeepers keep a gun under the
counter.
Punks are running wild in thestreet, and there's nobody
anywhere who seems to know whatto do, and there's no end to it.
We know the air is unfit tobreathe, and our food is unfit
(02:36):
to eat.
We sit watching our TVs whilesome local newscaster tells us
that today we had 15 homicidesand 63 violent crimes, as if
that's the way it's supposed tobe.
We know things are bad, worsethan bad.
They're crazy.
It's like everything everywhereis going crazy, so we don't go
out anymore.
We sit in the house, and slowlythe world we're living in is
getting smaller, and all we sayis please at least leave us
(02:58):
alone in our living rooms.
Let me have my toaster and my TVand my steel belted radios, and
I won't say anything.
Just leave us alone.
Well, I'm not gonna leave youalone.
I want you to get mad.
I don't want you to protest, Idon't want you to ride, I don't
want you to write to yourcongressman because I wouldn't
know what to tell you to write.
I don't know what to do aboutthe depression and the inflation
and the Russians and the crimein the street.
(03:20):
All I know is that first you'vegot to get mad.
You've got to say, I'm a humanbeing.
God damn it! My life has value.
So I want you to get up now.
I want all of you to get up outof your chairs.
I want you to get up right nowand go to the window, open it,
(03:41):
and stick your head out andyell, I'm as mad as hell, and
I'm not gonna take this anymore.
SPEAKER_02 (03:48):
Our guest on this edition of Clarity will help us
explore the topic of violence inour public schools.
He is someone who has been onthe front lines leading a
growing school safety movement.
He is the CEO and currently thepresident of Start Publishing.
Start is a publisher ofhigh-quality titles in a variety
of areas, such as sciencefiction, fantasy, thrillers, and
(04:11):
how-to books.
Currently, Start has over 6,000titles, which are being
distributed by Sheiman, Simon,and Schuster.
Welcome to the show, Jared.
Hi, thanks for having me, Dave.
So how did you how did you getinvolved in in the effort of
pushing you know the schoolsafety piece?
(04:33):
What what's the compelling piecebehind that?
SPEAKER_04 (04:37):
Uh an incident happened at my uh children's
school um that involved a kidbringing a box cutter to school,
having it confiscated, laterthat day, stabbing a girl with a
pencil, and then um writing uhthere was a boy that you know
said to the the child, can youjust leave her alone?
(04:58):
And the child created a killlist.
Um later on that day, the samechild uh looked on his Google
Chromebook computer, not killinganyone.
The kid remained in school.
Um the parents of the boy werenever notified that he was on a
kill list.
And when I found out, I kind ofrealized that, you know, people
(05:22):
need to know transparency isimportant.
And it's not an administrator'sjob to decide whether or not
your kids are safe in school.
That's a parent's job.
That's parental, you know,that's a parental right.
And that was being withheld fromthat parent.
Now the school had told theparent, because the school told,
you know, the the kid to go homeand tell his parents that they
(05:45):
were gonna be really angry.
And so the kid thought that, youknow, 11-year-old kid, he
thought, you know, they weregonna be angry with him that he
did something wrong.
And so when he came home andtold his parents, they thought
he was crazy.
Wait, all this happened inschool and and nobody called us?
Nobody said anything?
Yeah.
Nobody said anything.
And and then the followingMonday, the the mother called
(06:07):
and asked the school, and theysaid that he, you know, wasn't
telling the truth.
And the mom said, Well, did hebring a weapon to school?
And they said, No, it was aninappropriate item to have
brought to school.
And the mom says, Well, was itconfiscated by the police?
And they said, Yes.
And then she said, Well, wasthere a kill list later on that
day?
And they said, No, it wasn't akill list, it was a statement
(06:30):
written on a piece of paper.
Well, what did the statementsay?
Well, it said that, you know,bucket list, kill, and it named
the two students.
So basically they lied.
Um, and then the mom said, Well,where's the where's that kid
now?
And they said, Well, he's inclass with your kids.
Oh, that's great.
(06:51):
And the mom rushed to school andtook the two kids out of school,
um, her two kids out of school.
And then, you know, there was ameeting that I was a part of
with the police chief, thesuperintendent, the board member
Pamela Stanley, superintendents,Dr.
Melissa Varley, um, the policechief, uh, the principal of the
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school, and a detective.
Um, and in that meeting, it wasquite clear that their answer,
not the police's answer, but theschool's answer was to move my
because I didn't want my kids inclass with the kid.
Their they wanted to move mykids' class to accommodate, you
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know, this child.
Um, and I wasn't having that.
I told the board member, PamelaStanley, that she was a woke
joke.
Um, and then I asked, you know,a very simple question.
You know, if it was your kid,would they be in school right
now?
And the police chief was the onethat answered and he said no.
Um, and so it was a battle.
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And then, you know, finally thepolice resolved the matter by
getting a no contact order.
I think the first in New Jerseyagainst three 11-year-olds.
So the kid had to leave school.
And it wasn't the school thatwanted the kid out, it was the
police, it was the prosecutor.
Um, they just didn't want thekid in in school.
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They thought he was dangerous.
So, I mean, it it, you know, youhave a problem in which like the
school would rather take thechance of something happening
than, you know, accommodate thatchild by putting him in a
special school or homeschooledor whatever it may be that will
cost them money.
So like hiding it was was thebest way.
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But I said to the school, like,you need to be transparent, you
need to tell parents whathappened, right?
And they refused.
So I did it at a board meeting.
And little did I know that thesuperintendent had no idea that
I knew it was a box cutter thatthe kid brought to school.
So the superintendent said tothe media it was an
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inappropriate item that wasbrought to school, um, not a
weapon.
And then proceeded to say someother stuff.
Like this didn't it basicallycall me erroneous, which is a
liar in the press.
But, you know, what she didn'trealize was that I knew it was a
box cutter.
And then she got all angry andthen she leaked my emails to the
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media, right?
So it was kind of like, howcould we protect ourselves?
And it was like just dig deeperand deeper and deeper.
Right.
Now that superintendent is nolonger the superintendent,
right?
She's cleaning pools now inMyrtle Beach, South Carolina.
So she's not in educationanymore, which is a good thing.
Um, the board member PamelaStanley is still on the board,
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and the other board member, Dr.
Foriger, who actually saw thekill list, not only are they
still on the board of education,but they're in charge of the
harassment, intimidation, andbullying um liaisons.
So, I mean, it is what it is.
You know, I've been fightingbecause there's, you know, six
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schools, a budget of roughly 63million dollars, and there's
only four security guards.
So there's two schools thatdon't have security at all
times.
Right.
And my argument, right, is wehave equity of opportunity,
right?
Where every kid has the right tohave a textbook, has a right to
learn, has a right to have aChromebook, lunch.
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Every kid also has the abilityto feel safe in school.
And so if you have four securityguards for six schools, that's
not equity of opportunity.
No.
So um it's like I always say,right, you can't have, you know,
not every kid's gonna be sixfoot five and play in the NBA.
Right.
Not every kid is gonna be an Astudent in English, math, social
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studies, and science, right?
It's just not possible.
But what is possible is makingsure that every school has a
security guard.
Um, and in our district with a$63 million budget, they do not.
Um, and that's something I'mfighting for is to get every
school to have a security guard.
SPEAKER_02 (11:10):
Well, yeah, I I would agree.
But and the flip side of that isthe child that's expressing this
violent behavior should betaken, you know, should be
handled as well, right?
The kids should feel safe, butthe kid that has all of those
violent tendencies, that needsto be, that needs to be
discussed with um with you knowthe the proper medical attention
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and everything else.
Um he shouldn't just be shuffledoff to another school or or
anything else, right?
SPEAKER_04 (11:43):
So that was one of the the main points um that I
discussed with the police, um,that you know, we can't have
this kid in another school.
Right.
This kid needs help.
SPEAKER_02 (11:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (11:57):
And so they agreed they were never gonna let the
kid into another school, like,hey, you're gonna go to this
town and you know, you're gonna,you know, do the same thing over
there at that school.
Right.
I made sure that that wasn'tgonna happen.
So, um, because I I like gettinghim out of our school.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's like getting himinto another school wouldn't
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have cured the problem, right?
No, because it just moves it.
Right.
So you can't like that wasn'tacceptable to me.
So that was handled.
The the part that really gets meis that you know, it took me to
have the kid get the mentalhealth therapy that he needed.
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Um, the school just kind ofdidn't do it, right?
It it's the easy thing tooverlook it.
Um and when you haveadministrators that would rather
have a kid in school and takethat chance, right, as opposed
to putting that child in homeschooling or a school that deals
with kids that that have theseissues, um was quite troubling
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to me.
You know, I I'm a big believerthat just in general, if a kid
is like severely autistic,right, they should be afforded
the ability to go to a schoolthat would, you know, that that
caters to kids that areautistic.
Um they, you know,unfortunately, parents have to
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fight.
Autistic parents have to fightto get their kids the proper,
and that's just not right.
Um yeah, and budget-basedsecurity just doesn't work,
right?
It's you you can't put a a lifelike you you do what you have to
do.
You can't say, okay, we have a$500,000 this year to for
security, right?
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You have to do what isappropriate.
And sometimes, you know, maybeit's$1.5 million.
Now, here's the kicker, Dave.
How many, how much money do youthink it costs to add two more
security guards to the schools?
And we're talking about retiredSLEO3 officers.
Probably less than$100,000.
Yeah, it's$42,000 per officer.
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Right.
Yeah, that's what I figured.
Yeah,$84,000 on a budget of$63,roughly$63 million.
SPEAKER_02 (14:12):
Right.
And the FBI, as they've alreadyshown with the incident in, I
believe it was Michigan at thesynagogue, where they came in
and they trained staff for uh anactive shooter incident.
And that could be an activeshooter, that could be, in your
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case, you know, a kid with a zipknife or, you know, a box
cutter.
It could be anything, right?
Um, but it requires thetraining.
And the FBI, I believe, is morethan willing to come in and
train on a periodic basis.
Of course.
These uh these retired people.
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Plus, you have all of theretired military individuals,
just like you have, you know,policemen that do um uh side
jobs, if you will.
They have side gigs, you know.
Um you you have you have theopportunity to bring those
people in.
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For for I mean, you you can'tput a uh a calculation around
the the number uh relative toyou know to saving a human life
or stopping an incident.
Just like um, you know,religious institutions now, it's
not uncommon to see three orfour sheriffs or whatever
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walking around in thecongregation or in particular
positions in a congregationduring a service because of this
precise threat.
But we don't see that kind ofactive um safety and security
around our public schools.
SPEAKER_04 (15:53):
Yeah, so schools and places of worship are considered
um soft targets.
Right.
Um, and that's something that,you know, like for example, the,
you know, in where the theprincipal saved all the kids'
lives um by jumping on the theschool shooter and getting shot.
My big question was how'd thatkid get into school?
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Right.
Did he just walk in?
Like, because the doors aresupposed to be locked.
And then the other schoolshooting where the the the guy
uh you know took a gun and youknow broke the glass and got in
that way.
Well, it's like five to sevenhundred dollars to bulletproof
the front door with glass.
Um and that the kid never wouldhave, you know, it never would
have happened.
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So it's little things that wecan do.
And we, you know, we need totrain kids and teachers not to
open up the doors from theinside of the school.
Right.
Um, and these are things, andand homeland security also, by
the way, would will come toschools uh if they need to and
and talk to them about thingsthat they need to look out for,
uh, you know, dangerous thingsthat, you know, they could see
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like uh well concerningbehavior.
But, you know, what I discoveredthe most throughout this entire
process is that there are waysin which you could protect the
schools.
However, you have people thatthink that police officers are
scary, that police officers aregoing to be there to arrest
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their children.
Um, it's not like the old dayswhere you know the police
officers were welcome in theschool, you know, you could play
soccer and dodgeball with them.
Now, you know, parents trulybelieve for some reason that
parents are there to arrestchildren in school.
SPEAKER_02 (17:38):
Well, which is not the case.
No, but if you listen, if youlook and listen, just for
example, the silliness that wenton in Minneapolis with ICE.
Um people, you know, and and Iblame this on the media, they
have so degraded the level ofrespect for authority that you
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know we sit here and listenedevery day on the news at our
politicians berating people thatare trying to do the right
things and everything else.
And the kids are picking up onall of this, right?
So, and you have illegals inprobably in a lot of these
schools where they're absolutelyterrified that if you put an
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officer involved, they're gonnalose their child to, you know,
to uh deportation or whatever.
Um so the it comes with a lot ofthings, but nobody's stepping up
to actually start to put someresolution around these.
And we've got thousands ofschools that are, to your point,
are soft targets.
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And and there's very, very fewstate legislatures, much less
our own political morons inWashington that are doing a damn
thing about this.
SPEAKER_04 (18:58):
Yeah, so my thoughts um on Washington is very simple
is if you don't have a schoolresource officer or you don't
have security in your school,then you shouldn't get funding.
Right?
You just shouldn't get funding.
And you'll get your funding whenyou protect your schools.
Yeah.
Because, you know, there has tobe a way to strong arm districts
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into, you know, I mean, you haveto look at it, it's like an
insurance policy, right?
It's an insurance policy to makesure that nothing's gonna happen
in a school.
So take the the the incidentthat happened two days ago where
you had the security guard,right?
He saved probably 140 lives.
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There was a there was a a schoolinside there that had 140
children.
Right.
Um, and if you didn't have asecurity guard there, like God
knows what would have happened.
So even though that security, Imean the security guard died,
um, but he was able to fend themoff and the school went into
lockdown.
And then all the surroundingschools went into lockdown as
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well.
So, I mean, they do lockdowndrills.
You have to by law.
Um, each state, you know, youhave to do the lockdown drills.
But hey, look, Florida is doingsomething really cutting edge.
There's a district there thathas like um like guardian angel
drones that follow the SROofficer, and these things fly at
70 miles an hour.
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Um, and they're beingimplemented in in schools and
pilot programs.
And look, whatever we have to doto protect our children is what
we have to do.
Because like I always say,there's only two things, no two
things that normal parents want,and that's for their kids to
learn and their kids to comehome safe.
Right.
Those are the two most importantthings.
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And I think that gets lost byadministrators and bloated
budgets, and you know, thereshould be no price on a you
know, a child sitting in themiddle.
SPEAKER_02 (20:56):
No, and and we constantly hear about how much
money we're spending per perstudent, but we very rarely
hear, if at all, how much we'rehow much we're spending or what
we're doing to manage the safetyof our our students.
SPEAKER_04 (21:13):
Well, you'll have no students if you don't have any
security officers, right?
Like everybody go to privateschool, the the school will go
out of business.
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (21:22):
And yeah.
Yeah, and I think it ought to goto yeah, I we ought to take it
up to the university level aswell.
Because, you know, we've seenwe've seen recently several
incidences where cameras are allover the place except for
miraculously in the place wherethe shooting took place.
Um so I you know, I think I I Ijust think all areas of
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assembly, rather it's a house ofworship, uh, education or
whatever, they need to be takingall of this very, very seriously
because it it just Seems to methe level of violence against
these targets is increasingalmost daily.
SPEAKER_04 (22:07):
Yeah.
I mean, think about this.
The the typical school shooterused to be the loner white kid
that used to kill his animals orregular animals, right?
Now it's morphed.
Now you have um transgenderstudents, you have uh you have
that that African Americansix-year-old kid that shot his
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teacher in the stomach, whichjust came out in the news that,
you know, yeah, that they knewhe had a gun.
SPEAKER_02 (22:34):
Yeah, and and and she got dismissed.
Uh, the the judge dismissed thecharges against the um the
principal who knew that this wasan issue.
SPEAKER_04 (22:48):
Yeah, so they were waiting for the mom to come to
pick up the kid.
Um they knew he had it.
It was the end of the day.
They didn't want to like cause astir.
Meanwhile, like people had seenthat gun throughout the day.
And I I mean, they could havejust literally called 911 and
said, we have a kid that has agun in school.
Please, we need you.
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Right.
SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
But um But but here's the other thing, here's
the other thing, Jared.
Um, in the articles that I thatI published over this particular
incident, I was going to bringit up tonight and talking with
you.
Um there's no mention of theparents.
There's no apparent or parentalaccountability around any of
this.
It's all what you and I havebeen talking about is um
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accountability to the schoolsystem to uh get security guards
and everything else.
The flip side of this is theparent side of it, who possibly
has a child that is locked in,you know, the home alone kid
because both parents are workingand he's saturated with all of
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this video game crap andeverything else.
He's isolated, you know, he onlyhas the internet, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, and you know,ends up doing something like
this.
The parents should also be thefront line of this, right?
I talk about that as well.
SPEAKER_04 (24:09):
I talk about how um I find it hard to believe that
parents don't realize that theirkids are have swastikas in the
house or like worshiping AdolfHitler, have tattoos.
Right.
Um, or the fact that they haveguns and ammunition.
Um, I find it hard to believethat parents have no idea, do
they not clean rooms?
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Do they not go into like roomsand they have to know?
They just ignore it, or theythink, oh my, it's just my
child, he's he's not gonna doanything bad.
But the the point is, is it'skind of like how'd that
six-year-old get a gun?
Right.
Right?
Did his parents not have itlocked in a safe?
Right.
Um, and like how are these otherkids, these 17 and 18-year-old
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kids, like, where are theygetting these weapons from?
They're getting them from theirhouse.
Right?
And in order to like stop this,uh, you know, parents need to be
thrown in jail, right?
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
Yeah, but I don't yeah, I I don't want the
discussion to be gun controlbecause Oh no, no, I'm not
talking about gun control.
No, no, no, I know you're not,but that's where the
conversation always ends upgoing, is where does a
six-year-old get a gun?
And you know, the parent shouldbe held accountable for you know
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the the um access to a to afirearm.
SPEAKER_04 (25:30):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, is that the parent,
if the parent doesn't have theirfirearm locked, knowing that
they have a six-year-old child,like that parent needs to be
held accountable.
Um you know, because that's thewhole point of having gun safes,
right?
Is to keep them away from kids.
Exactly.
So go ahead.
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Yeah, no, so I'm not I'm notblaming, I'm I'm blaming the the
parents.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah.
I was just gonna say, you know,this is this should not, and it
always ends up being a guncontrol issue because
politicians, that's the firstplace they jump is gun control
on uh a tragic incident likethis.
But they they never really talkabout the root causes of it.
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They never go after anythingthat would attribute to an
individual being isolated all ofhis life, maybe possibly being
bullied, having mental healthissues and everything else.
Because, you know, quitefrankly, you can do some serious
damage with a number two pencilif you have the right frame of
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mind.
You know, it doesn't have to bea firearm because all if you put
a pencil into somebody's eyesocket, you know, it's uh gonna
end up having the same effect.
No, I agree.
SPEAKER_04 (26:47):
And the and the ultimate issue also is that, you
know, teachers, like when I wasgrowing up, like I was scared of
my teachers.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, you can't do it.
Now the teachers are like scaredof the children.
Right.
And it's it's it's done a flip.
And uh that's a problem, isthere's no accountability, it's
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not strict anymore.
Right.
And you have that issue of likethe kid being in control because
they don't want the kid to gohome and tell the parents, and
then the parents call theschool, right?
And then the school yells at theteacher.
It's never the kid's fault,right?
It's always like somebody else'sfault in the parents' eyes.
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Right.
So, you know, it's like the oldsaying is like the kid didn't
get a D, right?
The teacher's the one thatdidn't teach, and that's why the
kid got the D.
Right.
Um, but I I think look, the realway to cure this problem, and
it's not something that that'spopular, and I don't care about
being popular, but it's to havemetal detectors before you enter
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the school, right?
You have a police officer there,and you have them remove the
weapons if there's any weaponsfrom the kids.
Those kids go, you know, towhere they need to go with the
police, and the kids go in,right?
So that way you know that it'sprotected that way.
Now the question is, is like, doyou have some of these kids that
open up doors that are in theschool?
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And you can't legally lock thedoors because you need like kids
need to get out in case of anemergency.
Right.
So we have to educate thechildren, and teachers, by the
way, do open up those doors aswell.
So we need to educate on whythose doors should always be
locked.
So part of my situation was thatum a teacher in my kids' school,
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like there was a lockdown drill,and the police went around and
the teacher they opened up thedoor because the teacher didn't
lock it.
And then the police said, Youneed to lock the door, right?
So then they went around for asecond time and they opened up
the teacher's door for a secondtime.
Teacher didn't lock it again.
So to me, that's a failedlockdown drill, right?
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Um, the school was touting it inemails, like, oh, we did a
lockdown drill, everything wentwell, everything.
No, it didn't go well, right?
Like, just be honest.
It didn't go well.
We need to work on it, and wepromise we will.
And we'll like that's the onlyway is you just keep drilling.
And if a teacher makes amistake, you have to punish that
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teacher.
Yeah.
It can't simply be, oh yeah,just don't do it next time,
right?
It needs to be they getsuspended.
Like something has to happen sothat other teachers in that
building are like, oh no, webetter make sure our doors are
locked.
So, and by the way, like acouple months later, or maybe
like a year later, it was in atime frame, but they brought in
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a security consultant to, youknow, watch a lockdown drill.
And the principal choked, right,and said, This is not a lockdown
drill, right?
This is real.
And you had kids scrambling, butyou know, it was just a drill,
right?
He made a mistake.
And he waited until the end ofit to admit that he made a
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mistake.
Um, and meanwhile, you had kidslike thinking like, what's going
on in here, right?
So like they're not trainedproperly.
SPEAKER_02 (30:22):
Yeah, exactly.
And and our our like I said, ourpoliticians, they don't know
they don't even want to addressit because one side sees it as
you know uh uh grabbing for guncontrol, the other side is
fighting gun control, butneither side is looking at the
real issue.
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You know, the the the issue isnot gun control.
The real issue is we havevulnerable soft targets, and we
have crazies walking around inthe streets.
For whatever reason, whatevertheir motivation is, they're
looking at these things as a asa way to get their grievance
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out, right?
They've been aggrieved for somereason, Lord knows what, whether
it's the fact that they wereborn, they're the wrong color,
they're whatever, theirgirlfriend, uh you know, it just
could be a multitude of reasons.
But until we start to understandthe psychology of all of this
and the psychology of whatthey're trying to do, and the
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fact that these schools are sovulnerable to something like
this, uh we're gonna continue tosee these kinds of things, and
there's gonna be the loss oflife.
There's gonna, you know, peopleare lives are gonna be destroyed
and everything else when we wecould, if collectively put our
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heads together, solve a greatdeal of of this just by simply
acknowledging and being honestabout it and moving forward with
it.
SPEAKER_04 (32:02):
I remember Ted Cruz um put up a bill um after uh
Uvalde, I believe it was Uvalde,he um put up a bill saying that
all the COVID relief money thatthe schools had that was extra,
right, they should be forced touse that money for school
security.
Um and it didn't go through.
(32:23):
Nope.
Yeah.
No.
So that was that was a smart wayto do it because all these
schools had extra COVID money.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, precisely.
But I like your idea that youjust you you just stop the
funding because every school,every school is on that, is is
part of that meal ticket, right?
Every school is part of thatmeal ticket.
And you just cut the funding offuntil they can come up with a
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legitimate security plan, submitit, have it approved, have it
implemented, and then and thenaudit on a very timely basis the
actual input, you know, theimplementation of it.
SPEAKER_04 (33:04):
Yeah, and another thing is that you know, we
really have to watch who weelect to the board of education.
Yeah.
And that goes back to theparents, right?
Yeah.
So I always, you know, say topeople before they move into
towns, like, watch the boardmeeting and see if these parents
the board members are are batbat crazy.
unknown (33:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (33:24):
Um and if they are, like, don't move to that town.
Um, so it's where you used tolike now you can watch the board
meetings and you can be like, ohno, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I shouldn't have lived there.
Um, but you know, there's simplethings, especially in my town,
that they have issues with.
Like parents have to give theirlicense now when they enter a
school.
And people think that that'slike an invasion of people's
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privacy.
And I say to them, right, so letme understand this, right?
So you have to give a license tothe school, which I'm shocked
you haven't had to do likeforever.
And all the school is doing ismaking sure that the person
that's coming into the buildingactually has a child in the
school, right?
Isn't on Meghan's law, uh, isn'tuh there's not a custody dispute
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where like the kid might getkidnapped.
And then they also need to knowhow many people are in the
school in case of an evacuation.
Right.
Um, but they thought it was aninvasion of privacy.
And I, you know, I said, so youthink the executive assistants
and the assistants are gonnaopen up Kohl's cards?
Like, what are they gonna dowith your license?
SPEAKER_02 (34:29):
Well, you've got to, I mean, if you fly on an
airplane, you've got to produceyour license.
Um if you vote in most places,you have to produce your
license.
So it's kind of like give me abreak, you know.
Uh if you've got a license,produce the damn thing.
It's not like somebody's gonnasteal your identity.
But then you also have to thinkabout it this way, right?
SPEAKER_04 (34:48):
Is like how'd they get to school, did they drive?
And if they drove, like you needa license to drive.
Right, exactly.
Supposedly, right?
So, you know, it's we reallyneed to harden our schools.
And it's not that difficult todo that.
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No.
You just need people that arewilling to do it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:12):
Yeah, it just takes the will and the focus to do it.
Um and and it takesunfortunately, it's gonna take a
huge outcry from the parents toget it done.
And that usually only happensafter a tragedy.
SPEAKER_04 (35:27):
Yeah, no, it's you know, unfortunately, like in in
our district, you know, theyasked uh they took a survey of
parents and about 69% of theparents um wanted security in
the schools, in those twoschools.
Um and it was overlooked.
They didn't add it to thebudget.
So, I mean, there's also otherways, right?
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Like you could take it out oflike they could change the laws
so that the capital improvementbudgets, right?
Like for like a boiler, likemaybe they can use that.
There are millions of ways inwhich they could get that money.
SPEAKER_02 (36:01):
If it was in if it was their child at risk and it
was important enough, they'd figfigure out a way to do it.
But but unfortunately,unfortunately, what is they
usually look at it's somebodyelse's child, um, so therefore
it doesn't impact them.
Um and and there's all kinds ofother silly, silly reasons for
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it, um, none of which make anydamn sense at all.
But unfortunately, that's wherewe're at.
SPEAKER_04 (36:31):
Yeah, we had a board member, uh, Dr.
Forger, like, I don't know, acouple of years ago, asked a
former business administrator,um, do you think because people
wanted police officers in theschools, right?
Do you think our elementaryschools are safe?
He asked that to a businessadministrator.
You think he would have asked itto like a police officer or
(36:51):
somebody?
Right.
Um, and she said, I'm not gonnaanswer that question.
But the the reality is, is youknow, he's an older man, right?
Um, and you know, and it's notthe Flintstones anymore, right?
They're not rocks.
These kids have guns.
And it's a real problem now, youknow, and he's fiscally like he
(37:14):
he cares about not spendingwasteful money, but it's not
wasteful money, right?
Like, if he had grandkids orkids or whatever it is in the in
the school, maybe he's gotgrandkids in the school.
I have no idea.
But the point is, is that weshould be thinking, and you
know, I say this to the thesuperintendent, right?
And I say it to the businessadministrator, right?
(37:35):
You have 2300 of you have 2300students in the school, right?
From the the you know, theminute the bell rings in the in
the morning to the to the end,right?
You have 2300 kids, right?
So those 2300 kids are yourresponsibility, right?
So how are you gonna protectthose 2300 kids?
SPEAKER_02 (37:57):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (37:58):
How are you gonna like how are you gonna explain
to parents, you know, that thekid's life in in elementary
school is not as important as akid's life in the high school or
in the middle school?
So that's something that, youknow, you need to.
I mean, listen, my my districtclearly has problems, right?
We had a teacher that justresigned and he's taking like
(38:21):
$30,000 less money to go toanother district.
Um, and like I've never heard ofa teacher taking uh less money
to go to a to go to anotherdistrict.
We lost our principal at thehigh school.
We lost our assistant principalat the high school.
We just lost our principal atthe middle school, right?
So I think what we've been goinglike through principals like
(38:44):
like it's nothing.
And clearly there's there's anissue, right?
That they they need to figureout.
Um I don't like I don't knowwhat the issue is.
Maybe it's the board ofeducation, maybe it's the
superintendent, maybe it's thepeople that work in the like I
have no idea, but clearlythere's something wrong.
Right.
And the enrollment hasdrastically gone down.
(39:07):
So kids aren't going, a lot ofkids aren't going from the
middle school to the highschool.
And I could tell you why isbecause the middle school, like
there, you have kids that areliterally defecating on the
bathroom floor.
You have kids that are peeing inthe hand warmers to see if
they'll work afterwards, right?
So you have a problem and youdon't want kids, right?
(39:33):
Like kids that are there tolearn, right?
Don't want to go to a schoolwhere you have kids that do that
kind of stuff.
Right.
So they leave.
Um, and now we have like magnetschools, and kids are going to
the magnet schools.
So it's, you know, a lot ofthis, to be honest with you, is
(39:53):
like look, teachers know whenthey have a kid that has a real
problem.
Right.
Right.
They need to speak up.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (40:02):
Right.
But unfortunately Yeah, I wasgonna say, unfortunately, our
society more and more is puttingthe thumb on anybody that wants
to raise an objection towhatever somebody else's, if
they've got a louder voice,their ideology or their their
viewpoint.
Um, you know, we we treatwhistleblowers with such disdain
(40:24):
anymore when they're all they'retrying to do for the most part
is come forward and explain aproblem so that it can get
solved.
Um, because I, you know, I I getthe distinct impression we don't
want to solve anything anymore.
All we want to do is complainabout it.
SPEAKER_04 (40:40):
Yeah.
I mean, I hear stories allacross the country from
different parents that havesimilar issues.
Some of them have issues that,you know, you wouldn't even
understand why, you know, thethe that kid is still in school,
right?
Right.
So, or that kid hasn't likeharmed themselves because of all
(41:01):
the stuff that's been done tothem.
And the the issue is is like theschools for some reason, right,
they they victim shame, right?
It's like they're gonna protectthe the person that's causing
all these problems.
Right.
And, you know, and you know, Icould tell you when I was
growing up, right?
(41:22):
Like, I wouldn't like I wouldn'tstep out of line.
I like I I knew theramifications, right?
There were there might therewere ramifications.
Like if my principal went to theright, I went to the left,
right?
Middle school principal, helikes to high five these kids in
the morning.
SPEAKER_02 (41:38):
No, it's uh no, yeah, this it's it's kind of
like it's kind of like what I'veseen in parenting.
Parents want to be friends, theydon't want to be parents.
Teachers want to be friends,they don't want to be teachers
or uh viewed as um um authority,right?
They want they want to be partof it, not and and so they've
(42:02):
got their roles completelyskewed, right?
Um teachers teachers should bethere to teach and to you know
to to to move their theirknowledge into the students.
They're not there to be a buddyor whatever with with the kids.
That that's not where the that'snot the goal.
(42:23):
So the whole the whole paradigmis skewed.
SPEAKER_04 (42:26):
Well, you also have now, so when I was growing up,
right, we you know, there werethe kids that couldn't behave
were in their own classroom,right?
They weren't mixed in with theother kids.
Now they're mixed in.
So you have paraprofessionalsall over the place that are
(42:46):
there to like make sure thatkids behave.
SPEAKER_02 (42:49):
So Yeah.
So let's recap.
Let's recap, Jared, on thethings that need to be done.
I'm we've talked about training.
Um go ahead.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Alyssa's law is a big law from Lori Aladeff, whose
daughter died in Parkland onValentine's Day.
Um, that law is passed innumerous states where, you know,
there's uh basically a panic,panic button, and teachers can
lock down the school just bygoing on their school phones and
(43:21):
and you know, punching in anumber and the school will go
straight into a lockdown.
You have that, right?
But the main thing that you needis you need to make sure that
your doors are locked.
You need to make sure that thosefront doors, if there's glass,
they're bulletproof, which isonly$500 to$700.
It's cheap.
And then you got to have asecurity guard there, and you
(43:42):
have to train these kids, andyou have to train the teachers
and the principals andeverything.
Like, hey, listen, like if a kidopens up a door, like they need
to have they need to besuspended, right?
Like you need to show that youknow there's a Yeah.
And because when you open up thedoor, right?
(44:03):
Like you don't know who'soutside.
Maybe, you know, like your maybeyour friend knocked on the door
and your friend that day decidedhe wanted to come to school and
kill everybody.
So the point is, is like, andand we're not saying, you know,
give the math teacher and givethe gym teacher guns, right?
Like you want trained people.
Like you want a security guardthat's dedicated solely to
(44:26):
protecting the students.
And that's, you know, that'swhat I think parents need to go
to their school boards.
They need to, first of all, theyneed to realize I had no idea.
I'm going to be completelyhonest with you.
I had no idea that every schoolin our town didn't have a
security guard.
I thought it was just like, whenI found out, I was like, what do
you mean they don't havesecurity guards?
(44:48):
Right.
And they just didn't.
And it makes zero sense to me.
It's not a teacher's job, right?
To like tackle a student.
It's just not.
It's it's a security guard'sjob.
It's like with that principal,right?
It wasn't his job to tackle thatkid and get shot.
But, you know, it was an SRO.
(45:08):
But but the door, like, I haveno idea how the kid got into
school.
Like, these are things that weneed to analyze and do autopsies
on and say, okay, well, thisschool did it wrong.
But we have to be vocal aboutit.
There, there needs to be anational, you know, movement
that says, hey, okay, this iswhat happened here.
And we need to make sure that itdoesn't happen here.
(45:31):
Right.
So the and and that doesn't, forexample, like fire drills,
right?
Like I'm not a big fan of firedrills because on fire drills,
somebody pulls down the firedrill, everybody goes outside,
it's open season.
Right?
Somebody could just, I mean, soI'm a big believer that the fire
drill should only occur if youactually smell fire.
(45:51):
It shouldn't be a fire drill.
It should be like if you smellfire, like that's when the fire
alarm should go off.
Right.
But, you know, we really,really, really need to, you
know, speak to the governmentand the and the officials, the
government officials, and say,hey, listen, this aid's gotta
stop, right?
You can't keep giving aid tothese schools.
Right.
Well, you have to step up.
SPEAKER_02 (46:12):
Yeah, the politicians need to step up.
They need to put their big boypants on and actually solve an
issue that's becoming more andmore um an occurrence in our
society.
And it and it's shameful becausethere's too many simple steps
that that can be implementedthat will solve a lot of this.
SPEAKER_04 (46:38):
You know what they do in Florida if you don't have
a school resource officer or atrained officer of some kind in
your school?
Superintendent doesn't get paid.
SPEAKER_02 (46:47):
There you go.
There you go.
Um, so everybody moved toFlorida.
Um w we've been talking to Mr.
Jerry, Jared Weisfeld, and I Ican't thank you enough.
Where can people go out on doyou have a social media place
where people can go getinformation, Jared?
SPEAKER_04 (47:08):
Yeah, they can just reach out to me on LinkedIn.
Okay.
And if you have any questionsabout any the safety of your
child, any advice you need, um,I'd be more than willing to help
you and put you in touch withthe the appropriate person.
I mean, there's nobody better inthe sec school security business
than Wayne Black.
And there's a s there's a bookyou could read that he wrote
called School Insecurity.
(47:30):
And that'll tell you more abouthow you can um protect your your
children at the school.
SPEAKER_02 (47:36):
Well again.
SPEAKER_04 (47:38):
And he's actually, I think I just read he's doing
another book on how to protectplaces of worship, houses of
worship.
SPEAKER_02 (47:44):
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Again, we've been talking to Mr.
Jared Weisfeld, and I can'tthank you enough for coming on.
And this is this is a topic ofthe utmost importance because A,
it's it's it's a complexproblem, but B, it it's it's
with a little bit of resolutioncould be greatly the number of
(48:08):
these incidents could be reduceda great deal if people, you
know, with the awareness andpeople just start starting to
react to hardening their schoolsfor the safety of the kids.
Yeah, I just I just wish people,you know, spoke up more.
Yeah.
Well, unfortunately, we live ata time where speaking up about
(48:32):
problems doesn't seem to be theproper way to do it because
somebody's always out therewanting to uh put their thumb on
it.
So anyway, Jared, it's been anabsolute pleasure, sir, and I
hope to have you back on again.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (48:48):
Thank you for listening.
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