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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Are you ready for a break? Yes?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Are you ready for a break?

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.
It's time for the Break.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
On Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Were on Break with Mbar Garcia,
Brian brought us, Nick Harris and Derek Eagleton.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
It is Thursday, December twelfth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
episode number eighty four. Welcome to latest edition of The Break.
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
How is everybody doing.

Speaker 6 (00:58):
A episode eighty fix? Have we done eighty four shows?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yes? This year?

Speaker 6 (01:01):
This season?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
This season.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
We usually get into the one twenti ist range by
the time it's all said and done. Now this year
may be a little less because we won't have the
full week of shows in January.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
What why is it draft shows?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well I'll set with more draft shows.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
Yeah it works, but but no, we we We definitely
are moving in that way because it also, like you
gotta remember, it goes to the league here, so it'll
go into March before we will flip to the next
season of shows.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
So so yeah, we'll get we get close to it.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Got this figured out, he does.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I'll be doing it a while. Man, it's the season twenty.
We've been doing this for a long time, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Season twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Got to say happy birthday to my guy Brian brought us.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Thank you very much, appreciate that. Guys, thank you very kind,
thank you very kind. Thank you you were this past
weekend though too right, Happy birthday.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yeah, we didn't get to say that on air because
he was We didn't do a show obviously on Sunday
when it was your birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But happy belated birthday, missus Garcia and.

Speaker 7 (01:54):
Then seem to be yours.

Speaker 8 (01:55):
Yeah, yeah later this summer is Yeah, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
We had it right after it.

Speaker 6 (01:59):
We all was your January fifth, you're not part of the.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
It has to be well, maybe it was yesterday, David
Helman is Saturday.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Saturday. We had to run there, remember that. I always
remember Derek like taking everybody to lunch and they'll go
any like happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm too big for that. Man, I can't afflct.

Speaker 9 (02:18):
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's it's funny how that it seems like it grows
and grows, and.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
My wife's like, save your money for that college student.
We have money.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh yeah, I saw some clips about that Columbia.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Let's just yeah, as as Brian says, I'll give my
cash yapp.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Feel free to send me if you want to.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Why. It's why we all have like eight jobs right now,
just every one of our podcasts. Please watch.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
I think about kids, and they get more expensive every
year from the time they're.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Born all the way till noted.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah about that. It's funny, though, what do.

Speaker 8 (02:48):
You think I haven't gotten pregnant again. Yeah, I'm just
looking at the numbers. I'm like, because if you do
something for one, you gotta do it for both.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
You know you're pregnant.

Speaker 7 (02:59):
What I said, that's why IV.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
What how much this figure?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Breaking news here on the break listening, He'd be like, what.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
It's so funny how they figure out how to like
go have dinner on you now, and then they'll be
standing in line to pay the bill and they're like, hey, dad,
can you send money? For me to they've already eaten.
They've already like, I mean, what are you going ready
to go? And goes no, we're getting ready to pay.
Can you please help me save me some money? That
technology has ruined me in that way.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Literally money You got to send money?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, you could just hit a button and send money.
And it's crazy. But he's figured out how to wait
till he gets in line, the smart man to pay.
It's like, hey, Dad, I sure the bill is And
then I'm like, okay.

Speaker 9 (03:50):
It's that intelligence. I got him to Texas.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Smart guy. All right, let's jump in.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
We got a lot to talk about today.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
We we're going to get into some injury dates, particularly
on Cooper Bebe. We'll talk about about where he is,
and then we're gonna talk a little bit about special teams. Yesterday,
Mani Ouarrier had his first session with the media following
the botched punt from last game and some interesting thoughts there.

(04:18):
And then we're gonna talk about the Carolina defense and
how it matches up with this Cowboys offense again. This unit,
as we talked about yesterday, the offense has some interesting things.
This unit, Oh my gosh, like that all the numbers
say that you should be able to do a lot
of good things against them. But we'll talk about that
and dive into some of the players that you should
be aware of. Let's start first, though, with Cooper Beby.

(04:39):
He mispracticed yesterday with a concussion. Obviously, with a concussion,
it's probably not likely in a short week.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
That he plays, I would guess.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
But I want to focus a little more on another
like an offshoot of that, which is brock Hoffman, who
has played, who played center and replacement and replacement of
BB this last game. My question for you guys is
do you think at this point, from what you've seen
this season, because he's had a pretty good amount of
playing time, you think he's a better center or a
better guard.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
That's a tough one. I think.

Speaker 9 (05:12):
I think it's kind of the same. I don't necessarily
see a major difference unless you do.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Brian. Now, you know what's funny was were you surprised
how quickly that competition ended?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
At training camp?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Did it end quick?

Speaker 8 (05:27):
Though?

Speaker 9 (05:28):
I felt like we were like two or three weeks
in a camp and we're like, Yo, Hoffman might win
this thing, And I just kind of flipped around.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
I kind of felt like I felt like that there
was maybe like two weeks and then we were getting
into it and it was like, but I was I'm
not gonna lie to you. I was on board because
I wanted to see BB play center. Yeah, I misevaluated Hoffman.
I thought Hoffman for one or two games get you through.

(05:56):
I got to the point where I've started to ask
questions on these podcasts I'm on about do you feel
like I think I asked you guys this question. Does
does does Hoffman and and say Basses play make you
not want to think about a guard early in this draft?
You know? Yes, for example, you'll know the name Banks,

(06:16):
Texas tackle who a lot of people, and he won
the Lombardi Award last night. But you know, we've talked
about Banks being potentially a guard. I don't know, you
might think he's a tackle. But does it do you
feel like that if you're picking at eleven or twelve,
that you would take a guard there? Or does BB
or excuse me, has Hoffman made you feel like that

(06:37):
you're you don't need to draft that guy there at
that spot, that you could draft something else? But I
kind of felt like though maybe maybe I'm wrong about that,
but I kind of felt like the BB thing. I thought,
all of a sudden, it was like Hoffman was out.

Speaker 9 (06:54):
I just remember Bebe couldn't snap the ball for like
two and a half weeks, and it was like, Okay,
I think Hoffman might win this thing.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Okay, and we were talking about some of those problems.

Speaker 9 (07:01):
And then all of a sudden Bebe learned how to
snap the ball and he was the center. Yeah, you know,
it happened very It did happen quick.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
That's that's that. No, No, that's you. That's fair.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
It could have been perception, but it did. It felt
like to me it was kind of a shell game
from the beginning, like oh, Hoffman's gonna he's the starter
entering camp. But it was just kind of like it
was always gonna be Bb. That's how it felt. And
maybe that's why I didn't. I didn't see what you
think of it from the way you you thought of it.
I just always thought, eventually Bbe's gonna be the guy.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I kind of feel like that if Zach Martin was
not playing right guard this year, say Zach Martin would
have retired last year, I think you would have seen
Haffman at center and BB at right guard.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Yeah, and that's where actually, that's where I was going
with the question is if if you think Hoffman is
as good a center as he is a guard, is
BB then a better guard than he is a center,
in which case maybe they flip if you if you
go into next year, or even as if BB comes
back this year. I don't know if they'd make that
change just like the year. But at some point do

(08:00):
you see that kind of flip where Bbe now moves
out to guard.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
I'll tell you this.

Speaker 9 (08:03):
I've started getting active in my in my draft group
chats again over the course of the last month, and
as we take you this long yeahs, as we kind
of just bs and everything, especially talking about last year's class,
there are a lot of people that are like, so,
why are the Cowboys playing Cooper b B at center?
He's like, yeah, it's working out, but why is he
not playing at guard?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (08:21):
Hey, And so it always kind of makes me think,
in the back of my mind, maybe he would be
a better guard.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
But we can only see what we've seen.

Speaker 9 (08:27):
When I saw at Kansas State was a guy that
was absolutely nasty at guard, and I've seen a guy
at center who's been consistent for a rookie. He's been consistent.
Is he still learning the position? I think so absolutely,
But he's been consistent, So I don't know. I would
like to see both.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Why if Phoebe was healthy, why would I want to see?
I mean, and I'm saying this, I'm asking, okay, a doga.
I see that's Steel's played well enough. But there's a
side of me that kind of wants to see guide
and play right tackle me too, but also put BB
at right guard and put Howp in it center.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Just be cooking just to see, just for like three
on this.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Site, three games. But I but I'm not I'll tell
you what. I don't want to do anything with Steel
right now because I feel like Steele is playing pretty
well for you. I mean, he's it's it's there was
some times where you know him and Martin it was
a struggle over there. But I want to see. I
wonder if you would see if you did, because I

(09:24):
don't want to sit there and say, okay, now Steel,
go play left, go play left tackle and then we'll
see how this works. But there's I would not be
opposed to like seeing that combination with Hoffman at center,
b B at guard and guiding it right right tackle.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
I think this team is one more loss away from
starting a toy with those kinds of things. And Steven
Jones said yesterday he was asked, Okay, hey, when do
you start thinking about personnel changes, you know, just to
see what you got. He's like, right now, we're playing
to win. When that changes, you'll notice it, and so
he left the door open for that.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well, I guess that might.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Be one loss away from that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, yeah, Brian, I look at that.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
And going back to your question about what you thought
about the no, but think about what you were talking
about a guard.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I don't think i've seen anything.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I have seen things that make me question whether I
would draft a guard early. I have not seen anything
that makes me say I wouldn't draft a tackle early.
So going back to let's say Banks, if you think
he's going to be a guard, I won't.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't necessarily think i'd take a first round pick
on him.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
If I have a bona fide tackle that I feel
really good about and I'm up at eleven twelve and
that guy's there throwing the guard up there.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
This is I don't know yeah, and I like, I
don't know how you feel about this. I kind of
feel like that maybe Banks would be this this tackle group.
When you watch him and when we talk about him,
it's not going to have the same tone that we
had last year about this group. I think there's a
lot more questions about this group playing. And I think
one of the best ones, the Simmons from Ohio State

(10:53):
who has a knee injury, I think he's going to
be I think he would have been one of the best. Well,
I think he'd have been maybe number one on this
on the in my opinion on this board for tackle.
But I think I'm I'm I don't know, because I'm
trying to feel like, did Hoffman do enough at right
guard to make me not want to take to draft?
And you might think Banks is a tackle only I

(11:14):
don't know that.

Speaker 6 (11:15):
No, No, I think you could play either.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
I think that's so.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
See that's what I'm saying. I mean, do you you
know there's a couple of positions now where I'm like, Okay, well,
maybe I've seen enough. I mean, running back might be
another one too, where you've seen enough with Rico Daddle
this you're like, Okay, maybe I don't have to eleven
or twelve maybef Genti's there the running back from Boising.
Maybe I don't have to do that because of Daddle

(11:39):
the way he's playing.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
This conversation is making me feel so uneasy because the
fact that you guys are starting to get comfortable with
some of the guys on the offensive line, like, it
just makes me because of the trauma I carry. And
it's been so long, because if you think about it,
I mean from the time I started, which was right

(12:00):
before the beginning of the career of Dak where you
had a pretty solid line. Zach Martin he's like the
last piece of that line that was here initially. So
it's crazy and to me, and this is just the
course of the NFL and what happens, you know, players
retire or they leave or move on or whatever. But

(12:22):
to think now that you're gonna have to find that
confidence in five guys that you can fully trust and
move on from the well, what about injuries because recently,
in the last few years, it's always somebody dealing with
some kind of injury and going back to the draft

(12:44):
and having to rely, you know, rely on drafting, and
they've hit the nail or what is it, the nail
on the head when it comes to drafting offensive players
early on in the draft. But it's just hearing all
of this, I'm just like, man, this is pretty wild.
And also when you talk about the different combinations, it
makes me think, when would.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
They actually do that?

Speaker 8 (13:08):
Aside from these last few games where they could maybe
if they're after that percentage of chance that you have
left for the playoffs, after that's out of the question,
these different combinations, when do you expect the Cowboys to
actually see that? Because sometimes even at training can when
you talk about these different guys, I feel like, okay,

(13:29):
that's the right time to maybe test different things. But
you don't tend to see them shuffle people around that
much unless someone gets hurt and you just are forced to.
So I don't know, this interesting conversation when it comes
to all these different players.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Would you take an offense or defensive player if you're
picking in the top five offense, how about you, Derek?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Honestly, it depends on the play. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
If I could say, I'll tell you this it would
be a tackle, an offensive tackle, a defensive tackle or
defensive end. Probably, yeah, think or maybe I wouldn't take
a line back of that. One of those three is
probably what I would take.

Speaker 6 (14:13):
My answers, yes, my answers, yes, Yeah, I would think.

Speaker 9 (14:18):
I don't think they're in a position right now to
not take the best player available.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
See, yeah, I kind of agree. It's kind of where
that's kind of where I hope this thing goes. Yeah,
I hope it's I hope it's if you if somehow
and you know you're going to really have to It's possible, though.
I mean, you just don't know how these games are
going to play out now. But if you somehow are
picking in the top eight, you know, where would you

(14:41):
you would? I think you want to just take the
best player there.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
But there are some positions that are off limits, right,
like quarterback limits, right.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I mean, I'm just saying like, there are some positions that.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Off be honest with you.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
After after that contract call, I.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Was like, the your girls, Like, I mean there, but
that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
There is a conversation to be had just from a standpoint,
and it's not about Dak as much as it is
when's the next time you think you're going to be
in a position to be able to draft a quarterback high.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I don't know, so do.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
You take one like Atlanta did to protect myself for
the future.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
You know, why are we smoking here now?

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Because this conversation it just took a whole different Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well the thing about it is, I mean, as a fan,
I kind of and I kind of knew this going on.
You know, Steven Jones kind of talked about the plan
for twenty twenty five, right, didn't he yesterday a little
bit about like, you know, hey, we're up against it.
Don't expect you know, Okay, We'll get ready for the
second purge of players that you found. Get ready for

(15:43):
Jordan Louis to be gone. Get ready for oh so
Diggy'szua to be gone. Get ready for all that depth
that you know that was playing games for you this
year to be gone. You know. Now we're I mean,
do you feel you feel like, okay, if we're going
to have another year of what we just had in
twenty twenty four, you know, and not replace anybody except
through the draft and college free agency.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I mean, you need guys to play immediately in the draft.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
See That's what I'm saying. Though you might you might
have you might be back to talking about picking a
quarterback in the top eight again the next year. Yeah,
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 9 (16:17):
Yeah, I made a dash over to the league meetings
yesterday where we talked to Stephen Jones, and while we
were kind of waiting on everything I had, I'd met
a personnel executive in the AFC and we were just
kind of talking draft and everything.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
He expects the Cowways take Genty.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
He expects there to be a running back, just because
he was like, they have offensive line, they have defensive line,
they have corners, they have they have a linebackers. He's
like they are in a position where they are one
playmaker away to be able to make some things happen.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
He's like, genty makes the most sense.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, that's before that's before you think about the free
agency they may lose this year. Yeah, Like I think,
before you think that, you might be able to say
some of those areas you have something some players.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But yeah, I would be totally elated if they take
that kid. Yeah, no doubt I would be elated. And
you know he he does. He makes a lot of sense.
But I also think about too that because to me,
I'm trying to not in the first round. I am
trying to get the safest player on that board. I'm
trying to get the safest the guy that has the
least amount of holes that I know can help me

(17:15):
in play. And it might only be for five years
with that guy, you know. But if I'm the general manager,
I'm thinking, well, I might only have two years with
this job. If you know any you know here, it's
a little bit different. But I'm kind of thinking of like, Okay,
if I could go and get the player that has
the least amount of holes, everything about him is clean.
Hell all that stuff. Now, people argue about the number

(17:37):
of carries. They will argue with you about the number
of carries. They'll say, man, this guy carries the ball.
Tiz's argument to be had there, Yeah, yeah, and that's
and that's that's where you're at. But as far as
some of the as far as the best players in
the country, that kid's one up there, kids, one of them.
He really is.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
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let's talk about the Carolina def Check this out. They
are thirty second in points against, They are thirty first
in total defense. They are thirty second in rush defense.
They've allowed two hundred yards rushing four times this season.

(21:13):
Check out their last five games at Philadelphia two hundred
nine yards versus Tampa Bay two hundred thirty six yards,
versus Kansas City one hundred and sixty five yards, versus
New York Giants one hundred and sixty seven yards versus
New Orleans one hundred and ninety seven yards. Like, they
are not just giving up yards, They're giving up a
ton of rushing yards. You think you've seen bad run

(21:33):
defense at times around here this year, they are making
like they are saying, hold my beer, and they are really, really,
really giving up a lot in the running game. My
question is what makes the most vulnerable against the run.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
It just feels like guys have open holes. I mean,
this defensive line is not impressive. I do like one
of their interior guys from a pass rush perspective, but
from a run defense perspective, I mean, these guys they
don't move bodies, they don't they don't fill these gaps. Uh,
there's just a lot of holes for these these running backs.
You see it with Kansas City. You know they weren't

(22:09):
even really fully healthy. But checko was just trying to
you know, find his footing again. And then with the
Giants as well. You know, they've had issues. I like
Tyrone Tracy, but they've had.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Issues the Giants.

Speaker 9 (22:20):
Yeah, it's it's it's bad. I think it starts up
front with this line. I think this line is really weak.
Even once you Davian Clown, he's been in the mix,
it hasn't been great.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, they miss Frankie Luvu who's now playing at the Commanders.
And Frankie was pretty good at playing the run. We
saw that with their own eyes when he was you know,
with the with the Commanders earlier in the year. And uh,
they just they really have a problem with explosive plays
to explosive runs. You know. It's and they and they
face a ton of carries, as you mentioned, they give

(22:49):
up a ton of yards. They're not really good at
playing on your side of the line of scrimmage, you know, contacts,
all that stuff is usually on their side of the
line of scrimmage. They we always like to talk about
the metrics of how many guys you're going to play
down and here they are getting killed in the run
game and they still play six men in the box
you know, they think they can handle that and it's

(23:11):
just not working for him. They play you know, they
play light that way, and it's funny when you start
to compare them with the Cowboys, you know, with the
you know, Dallas was so bad for so many weeks
and you know, trying to kind of dig out of
that hole. But it just it doesn't matter whether it's
run or pass. With this group, you know, they give up.
They give up almost six yards of play, you know,

(23:32):
and Dallas was Dallas is right there with him and
the number of you know, the number of opportunities that
teams have against him. But I kind of feel like
though that it is about the front. They just don't
have anything. They don't have any way to control the run,
and teams know that and they just they load up
and they and they go at them with it. And

(23:53):
you kind of felt like that maybe that they would
be a little bit better. But I think missing the
linebacker Frankie Luvu, I think that really is as hurt
them with this. With their run defense.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah, when you look at their pass defense, there are
some numbers that are equally as bad.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
They're about twenty eighth in sacks.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Yeah, thirty second in pressure percentage and in quarterback hits. Yeah,
it just doesn't seem like they generate much pressure. If
there is a guy though that you should be concerned about,
who would that guy be in the front from a
pass rush.

Speaker 6 (24:19):
Stand from pass rush. Ashawn Robinson.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, Robinson's played really love for him. Yeah, and I'll
tell you another thing though, they've actually if you look
at the metrics too, on Clowney. On Clowney has been
when he's been on the field and off the field,
the number of pressures that they've had. But Robinson has
played really really well for them. That was that was
a good get for them. You know, he's he's the
one guy. He's number ninety four for them playing on

(24:42):
the left end and and he's he's he's the one
guy you kind of have some familiarity because he was
with the Giants and so he was part of that
that line and really kind of was it wasn't had
flashes of play, but here he's a little bit I
think he's been a little bit more consistent with the
way he's played.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Well, McCarthy will be able to just do hither and
there's so little room for mistake on this one. Whether
he decides to throw some passing plays or run the ball,
you can go either way.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
This just looking at and I know you watched the
secondary here too. You know, Joe Horn was a name
that was thrown around here a lot during that period
when they when they took Micah Parsons, and you know
that it was Sir Tan and it was Horn. And

(25:35):
Mike McCarthy had coached jac Horn's dad, Joe Horn, at
New Orleans, so it was kind of like they was
lining up that maybe the coaches were lining up for
Horn and the scouts were looking at Sir Tan, and
they've they've gone after Now you talk about the lack
of pass rush, opponents have had a lot of time

(25:58):
to throw the football against these guys too. They don't
get pressure at all or quick enough put it that way,
So that's a problem for their secondary. I will say
this about Horn. Mike Jackson's on one side and he
gets attacked a lot in this They got him in
a trade from Seattle. The teams go after him Horn,

(26:18):
They'll go after him. He's given up seven touchdowns this year,
but his completion percentage is pretty good against I mean
against he plays. It's not an easy throw against him,
He's going to battle you back there. So I kind
of feel like that Jackson is the guy to go after.
They play with a lot of cushion. Did you notice
that about this this team? How how they play? Like?

(26:41):
I was curious because of watching the tape and I'm going, God,
they're playing off so much off coverage. How they're doing this?
Went back and I checked they play on an average
of like seven point two yards of cushion on the outside.
And I'm sitting here thinking, no wonder, you're getting crushed on,
you know, No wonder, you can't stopped. You have no
pass rush and you're playing cushion, you know.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
And I think maybe that's a reaction to no pass rush.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
They they maybe they're trying to keep everything in front
of them. Maybe they're not trying to give up the
big plays. But I was surprised, especially with Horn, you know,
he's kind of a man man player, get up on you,
kind of disrupt you, kind of. But when you're telling
me they're playing set and that I think that was
I think that's third or fourth most in the league.

(27:29):
When you start to talk about that, so that that
you know, amber you're kind of making fun of Oh,
Mike can kind of do you know. Mike might look
at that and say, well, geez, we could throw. We
could throw on these guys who we could protect, and
then we could make and we could throw with that cushion.
We can run our we can run our inside game,
or we can run our slants. We can run our
you know, and if they're not going to press us,

(27:51):
then that that plays. That's good for the Cowboys, because
the Cowboys have struggled getting off the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
So here's the millionaire question. You look at this defense
and statistically they're the worst in the league.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, in a lot of ways.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
How the heck are they playing all these teams so close?
They've had a lot of games that they've lost that
have been really close games to get some really good teams.
Why team's not running through them and putting up thirty
forty points every week?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
If this defense is so statistically bad.

Speaker 9 (28:19):
Ye know, how like sometimes offense is the best defense,
and I think this offense is just playing a lot better. Yeah,
maintaining time in possession a little bit more as the
games have gone by. That's at least what I noticed
from the Chiefs game, because I looked at that one specifically,
like how did they have a chance. It's crazy, but
I just see time of possession as a factor.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
In that one. It's Hubbard, it's running the football. It's
that ability. Yeah, the quarterbacks not efing it up, throwing interceptions.
He's the last five games is three touchdowns interception before that,
I mean he thrown he thrown seven for the year,
six of them before the time he got betched. He's
protecting the football. They're running the ball with Chuba Hubbard.

(28:54):
Their offensive line, like we talked about yesterday, is not spectacular,
but they're getting it. They're and it does fishing. Yeah.
So I it's it is a mystery to me why
that teams, but they're on par They're on par with
the Cowboy and the Cowboys started so badly. They so badly.
I mean, just to give you an example of things,

(29:15):
like I was looking at this, we were talking about
blitz numbers and stuff. Dallas and Carolina have blitzed roughly
the same amount on defense splitz people. Dallas has got.
Dallas has got, like I think I wrote, I wrote
it down in my notes here, but I was just
because I was looking at Dallas has how many more
pressures than than they have eleven more sacks than what

(29:37):
Carolina has with the same amount of blitz pressure. Okay, yeah, Dallas.
Carolina splitzed one hundred and forty nine times. Dallas has blitzed.
Excuse me, Dallas splits one hundred and forty nine times
Caroline hundred and forty seven. Dallas has fifty two more
pressures off those blitzes and eleven more sacks, wow, than

(29:57):
what Carolina has. But that's so even.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
When they're blistening it just they're getting no pressure.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
And another thing is, you want to talk about problems
that teams have, they get down in the red zone.
And I always like to look at how many completions
do you get down there in the red zone? Just
a note I put here, They've had twenty nine attempts
down there against them in the red zone completion percentage
about fifty two percent. That's the fifth worst in the league.

(30:23):
Dallas is second in that category. They've given up there.
They're they're given a fifty nine percent completion down there.
We understand why Dallas has problem. Carolina's got the same
kind of problems. But you're right, teams have not taken
advantage of them at least the last five weeks. And
I think it's to your point, Nick, it's because the
quarterback's playing better. They run the football, and they find

(30:46):
a way to kind of hold things in games with
their offense and with their with the running game and
then with guys like Thielan and others to make some plays.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
He seems good.

Speaker 9 (30:55):
I think just this defense overall, kind of going back
to their run defense. Back to that subject. Nine times
out of ten, when a safety is leading your team
in tackles, that's not a good thing.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (31:07):
I do like Xavier Woods. He leads the scene in tackles,
he leads him in interceptions.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Cowboys.

Speaker 9 (31:12):
Yeah right, And I think I think there's a I
think that's an indictment on this rush defense.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
But I do like Xavier Woods. I think I think
he's being asked to do a lot from that third level.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our final break. We
will come back.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
Got some questions for you guys about the matchup between
the Cowboys offense, hit and the Cowboys defense.

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Speaker 3 (34:18):
All Right, here we go.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
I got some questions for you guys about this Cowboys offense.
I'm gonna start here and this is a bigger picture question.
So which is better at this point for Dallas their
run offense or their past offense run offense?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Run?

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah, I'll expand you look, it is more consistent.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Amazing, they haven't to be saying without with that beat,
like just like run off.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
You look at the last several weeks. I mean it
goes back to Carolina Tube Hubbard. The the two backs
that had the most successful runs are your guy and
Chuba Hubbard.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, that's that's that's amazing. Four yard for your successful
runs are deemed four plus yards a car You're got
one and two playing this week against.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
And he only had eighteen cares in this last the game.
Just stop throwing that back out there.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
I'm not saying this should happen, but if Ceedee Lamb
is the only receiver back on this team next year,
you wouldn't get a complaint from me necessarily you want
to just revamp the whole group.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Yeah, you know, I appreciate you having the guts.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I ain't.

Speaker 9 (35:19):
I'm just saying you would have get a complaint from
what I had happened, because then you would be wasting
that fourth round pick.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
You would be wasting You can't do that. You wouldn't
get a complain for me.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
But I will say is the man's ability to block
is better for anybody in that room right now.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
That that alone makes me say I want it. I
want him back and you can figure out.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
We'll see if we can figure out how Dak can
get him the ball. Actually good pass, you'll see.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I'll tell you what. I really do appreciate your honesty
there because I yesterday I got into that same discussion
and actually was on with my guy Watch Lombardi last night.
We were talking about and I said, listen, you got
one receiver. I mean, just the Tolbert stuff and all that.
I I was, I was willing, I was hopeful. I
wanted to see, you know, And he says, well, his

(36:04):
numbers are same as Michael Gallup. Basically, I said, that's
the problem. And he's out and he's gone. That's the problem.
And you know with with I think he you know,
to me, it's you needed more. You needed a lot
more over there, and you know Cooks got injured. That
that really hurts you. I still think Cooks could play.
But you're you're not wrong. It's it's Michael, it's it's

(36:25):
ceedee lamb and and go and try and revamp this thing.
I don't disagree with you at all.

Speaker 9 (36:31):
But talking about the I bring that up just because
the past, the past offense. I don't think is reliable
enough right now. And you look at Cooper Rush quarterback
throw either. Yeah, you look at Cooper Rush as well.
He didn't have the greatest game against against Cincinnati. So yeah,
I think if they can, if they can maintain the
run when the time of possession battle in these games,
they can, they can rattle off two or three wins here.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
I do believe that.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
So you also have to remember, like, so it's not
like just because you're having a back up right now,
you've seen this a good chunk of the season. It
was with Dak Prescott as to quarterback, and they were
still struggling a whole lot.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
That's a good point.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
So that being said, here's the next question of that,
where's your level of confidence with Koper Rush? I think
coming into this year relative to where it was then
versus where it is now seeing him play these games,
do you feel like you have the same level of confidence.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Do you think it's more, do you think it's less.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
I think there were rightful questions whenever he came in
to start for Dak Prescott, just because we hadn't seen
him in two years. Yeah, and I think I look,
I've looked back to camp and he had had some
issues at camp, and I wonder if there was a
conversation had with him at camp to start taking more chances,
just to see what that looked like.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Because he pushed the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Did he look better? He looked better at camp.

Speaker 9 (37:47):
Granted he made mistakes on the same end, but he
was pushing the ball down the field. You've seen him
try that a couple of more times this time around,
as compared to twenty twenty two. But again, in twenty
twenty two, he had a lot more working for him
than against him, and he has a lot more working
against him than for him now. So my confidence in
Cooper Rush are you asking for the future or.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
For the same games.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
I'm just saying in general, where you thought he was
at the beginning of the season, your level of confidence
there to where it is now.

Speaker 12 (38:14):
Is more?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Is the same? Is it less?

Speaker 9 (38:15):
I would say it's probably the same, because I've never
seen him as the guy that'll win you the game.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know what, there's a weird side of me that
thinks they're not going to play Trey Lance because they
want to sign him cheap.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
Yeah, I thought about that. I've thought about that as well.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
If you don't play Trey Lance. And he goes out
there and say he has success, say, I mean maybe
it's maybe you have four games he wins, maybe he's
two and two. But all of a sudden, you see
some sparks in the offense. You see the running game,
you see him running the ball, you see him kind
of finding some receivers mart that. Yeah, all of a sudden,
now it's like whoa Trey Lance? Might someone might want

(38:53):
to go and sign Trey Lance. There's a side of me,
a sneaky side that's feeling like that they're not going
to play Tray Lance just because they're gonna They're gonna see,
they're gonna see like, okay, hey listen, I hey, it
didn't work out for you here as far as getting
a bunch of snaps, Da da da da da, we'd
like to have you back. And then it turns into
Trey Lanceton becomes your backup quarterback and then they move

(39:15):
on from Cooper Rush.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
I definitely could see that.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I think they're I think they're playing the game with
us right now. They don't want him to play because
they don't want his marketability.

Speaker 14 (39:24):
To go up.

Speaker 6 (39:25):
That's the draft. A guy late day three or bring
back will career.

Speaker 8 (39:28):
Yeah, well, in this in today's world, I unless you're
a quarterback answer the question. Yea, unless you're a quarterback
that is highly accurate. You have to be able to
move out of the pocket like I'm not and I'm
not saying be a runner and then an extremely mobile quarterback.

(39:50):
But you have to have that flexibility in your body
to be able to do that at times and not
lose visions so bad.

Speaker 7 (39:57):
Like there are times that he just stands.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
There and I'm like, at least like have that natural
instinct of survival of like getting out and yeah, I
mean it's just a natural instinct of humans, you know.

Speaker 7 (40:11):
You see then you're, oh, crap, let me try to run.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
But I get it.

Speaker 8 (40:16):
When it comes to fight or fly, I just stay still.
I'm just like I freeze. Uh So maybe he has
that freeze moment. No, it's absolutely terrible. Then that's why
I'm talking about it.

Speaker 6 (40:25):
But not a quarterback exactly.

Speaker 8 (40:27):
You do not want Yeah, but you don't want that
in your quarterback in today's world. And he you know,
I also have to remember too that who was calling
the place when he had that success. Again, different offense
Kellen Moore was the one still calling the place there

(40:48):
and I have a lot of issues with the play
color and remembering again how bad the offense still looked
with Dak Prescott as your starter. So it's just it's
it's hard to evaluate at times because the offense has
just overall been so bad. But at the same time,

(41:11):
there are plays that you see him make and throws
that he throws, and there's no there's no justification for
that either.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
All Right, I think we're gonna have to wait on
the Orior over Warria conversation.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Will save that until tomorrow. That'll be a wrap for
us today.

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We got to head off, get over here to the
Salvation Army, going to serve some folks today, So we'll
be back tomorrow until then for Nick Harris, Brian brought
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