December 31, 2024 • 47 mins
Derek Eagleton, Bryan Broaddus and Tommy Yarrish discuss Jerry Jones and Mike Zimmer’s comments on the future, discuss looming questions for the Cowboys heading into the offseason, and more
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Amber's out here today, but we got a lot to
get into. Tommy Yarsh joining us. We're going to uh
in the first segment. We've got a couple of different
things we want to talk about, some different comments that
were made yesterday and today. Mike Zimmer had it some
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time with the press yesterday. I thought he had some
interesting things to say. Mike, I'm sorry, I Mike McCarthy.
Jerry Jones had an interview this morning on one O
five dot three the Fan with our guy Sean, Audrey
RJ and Bobby, and he had some interesting things to say.
We'll get into some of that in the second segment.
Brian's got some I got some questions for us. You're
gonna do his Zimmer segment. Yeah, I got a Zimmer question. Okay,
(01:39):
hopefully we don't tread all over your Zimmer question. If
we're too close to then be like, hey, let's back
away from that.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
And well, you know what I say. I like to
make these questions. You know, we usually all talk about
what we're gonna do here, but I like to keep
these questions where you don't know, so kind of get
that surprise answer. So if you get real close to
my Zimmer question.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Just tap me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I'm gonn go, Derek, Hey, back away, look them all right, And.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We got some questions too from you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You guys hit me up on Twitter, gave me some questions.
We're gonna hit some of those in the third segment.
If you if you're want to call us. You can
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and we'll try to get to a couple if we have.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Them on the line. All right, Let's start first though,
with Mike Zimmer yesterday.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Well, I'm gonna give you a quote, all right, and
then again if it gets too close, just just nudge me,
all right. But I wanted to get your reactions to
this the follow up because yeah, right, because it jumped
out at me and it was very interesting to me,
and I'd love to know what you guys thought of
it and what you think he was getting at The
quote was I wish that we that when I came in,
I did everything the way I wanted it done. That
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was probably the struggles at the beginning. I was just
doing things I was uncomfortable with, and so I had
to do what I had to do. I said it
to some of the coaches, you come in, you come in,
and you come in here.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow, I don't know what I may have missed it up.
They are good.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
They were good last year, right, So I come in,
I don't want to really rock the boat. I wasn't
as tough as I typically am. I probably wasn't as
hard headed about how I do things, is the best
way to say it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's what I regret the most. What are your thoughts
on those comments?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Tack that one, Tommy.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I think the real key there is him saying, hey,
this defense was really good last year. I didn't want
to come in and be the guy that changes everything
and then that takes away your product on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So from that perspective, I understand. I think there are ways, however,
to where you.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Could have come in and implemented your system, implemented your style,
whatever you want to call it, and still find that
success because the one thing that's not changing is the
guys that you've got on the roster for the most part.
Obviously there were some key departures last year, but you've
still got Microp Parsons, So you're going to build this
thing around anyways. And you know, when you think of
Mike Zimmer and I know brod Us knows him really well.
I mean, you Harden knows no nonsense. This guy's down
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to business and it's worked for him his entire career.
So I can see why that's somewhat jarring. But at
the same time, I understand the perspective of, hey, you know,
if we're rolling, I don't want to change too much,
right because it's something that has worked out well and
the teams haven't success they're winning games because of it.
But at the same time, you're hired to implement your style,
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You're hired to implement your way of doing things to
benefit this organization. And so I think he's done that
here in the back half, and I think that's because
he's gotten more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I was very critical of Mike because I thought they
taught it too slow, And now listening to Mike talk
about it, and Mike and I haven't talked about this
particular avenue. I wonder if Mike came in and read
the room. I wonder if he came in and started
meeting with his guys. You know, Michael Parsons wasn't here
for the OTA stuff and things like that. He's like, Man,
(04:53):
what am I dealing with here? The best players wrestling
sumo dudes you know in Tokyo and doing stuff like that.
You know what am I dealing with here?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I'm okay, I've got some coaches here. I don't know
from a previous staff. You know, how loyal are.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They to me?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Are they loyal to I think Mike might have read
the room. I thought. I think Mike might have came
in and not wanted to be what Tommy was talking
about that because Mike is a hard ass. Mike is
a get in your face guy.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well we thought we were getting when we first when
they first made to hire.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Right, we were sitting there watching practice. He's got his
arm around Mozzie Smith like, hey, come on, man, you
could do this. You can. Old Mike Zimmer's like, hey,
if you don't do this, you're going to be standing
with me. I ain't effing around today. We've all seen
the NFL films where Mike has like got this crazed
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look and he's and he's going after the Cincinnati Bengal
dudes and they're all looking straight ahead like he's serious.
I've seen this from Mike. I didn't see that. I
didn't see that coaching this year. I saw a guy
that was, you know, Mike was trying to his training
camp was going, he was he was implementing some things.
(06:05):
Maybe Mike read the room that the buy in was
going to be tough. He's like, man, can I come
in and be this hard ass guy. And knowing that
these guys are trying to get over of losing, it's
gonna sound terrible losing their dad dan Quinn and they
loved him, by the way, yeah Quinn, they loved dan Quinn.
They just lost their dad. And so here comes here
(06:28):
comes new dad, Stepdad, and all of a sudden now and.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Start making rule.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Stepdad ain't gonna tell me what to do. You know,
we we were damn good defense with real dad was here,
not Stepdad. And I think that's where I think Mike
read the room, and I think it took it. Honestly,
it took them getting their ass kicked the way they
did the first five or six weeks of the season
to realize that, like, listen, if I don't pull this
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thing up, we're all gone. We're all gone. You Osa
Lewis all you got gone? Me too, gone. Because they did,
they turned things around in a positive way where they
weren't getting just crushed in games like they were the
first five weeks of the season.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So let me ask you this, If you take what
this defense is and I'm not talking about what they
were at the beginning of the season. I'm talking about
what they were by the final five, last five weeks.
And you compare that to the twenty twenty three version
of the Dallas Cowboys defense. Are they better, worse or
the same?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I think they play the run better. And it sounds
crazy when you gave up one hundred and but I
think up until that point of the game. You know,
this season, there have been some days where we've sat
here and talked about the team, the opponent for that week,
and like, they can run the ball well. Opponent had
sixty yard rush. Yep, opponent had forty seven yard rushing.
(07:59):
They run the ball really well. You know, Derek believed me,
Tommy believe me. They run the ball really well. Opponent
had ninety yards on you know, twenty eight carries, thirty
carries whatever, you know, something like that. So yeah, I
think I think the thing that they got better at
was playing run defense. But what also happened is he
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got something out of Golston, he got something out of Osa,
he got something out of damn Mozzi Smith, you know,
and he took and he took, he took over shown
and he made something out of over shown until he
got hurt and then this maryor Sliefeule. I mean, they're
the coaches are standing in the scouts are standing here
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during the draft, and they're telling us how much they
love Mary Sleeful and were like, god, you didn't take
a running back, you idiots. You know, they were telling
us how good you know that Neelan was, and we're like, god,
there's another running back that didn't get drafted.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
There.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
You know, they he he did something to coaches are
responsible for, and that's putting your players in best position
to make plays. Now, I'll say this real quickly. He
messed up with that whole thing with Booth. You know,
he didn't put Booth. He didn't help Booth in that
game last week. He didn't help him. And that's not
(09:16):
like Mike. But maybe he was to the point where
I can't help him. I can't. I can't. I don't
have the ability to help him like I need. I mean,
I think that with what he had to work with
the cornerback situation being a damn mess, you know, Micah
coming back, I think he did the best he could.
Gave him a chance, gave him a chance from all
(09:37):
to maybe keep their jobs.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
So I think it's kind of a lot of things
there when you look at this year compared to last year,
because this year, like Brian talked about, the personnel you've
got at corner has just been so up and down
and you have no consistency there, whereas they had a
little bit more of that last year, Deron Bland was
playing at an all pro level and so that completely
changes everything.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Mike did kind.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Of talk about the booth situation yesterday in terms of,
you know, when we.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Try to give him help, they run the ball.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
That's why, say Quon Barkley has one hundred and twenty
seven yards in the second half, and so you know,
but that's also a bypart of hey, there's we got
nobody else in that room, like, like, what are you
going to do out there? Because if you slide, Jordan
lewis out there, okay, Well somebody's got to cover the
tight end. Is that something you trust Israel mcqualmuud doing?
Is it something you trust somebody else?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I would have gambled me too.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I don't think you could have got well, And I.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Would like I would rather die a fast death in
the slow death I was dying in that game.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I absolutely agree.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I'm not saying that that's not a bad solution because frankly,
anything would have been a better solution than what it
was at that point. So you know, from that perspective,
I think you look at last year's defense say well,
what's it's loads better? But Brian makes a good point
that this year they've stopped the run pretty well. I mean,
we look at that first half. Saquon Barkley was held
to forty yards. That is not a hang the banner
moment by any means, because he had one hundred and
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twenty seven and ran for two thousand yards on you
in the second half. But nonetheless, when you think about
where they were last year in the troubles that they
had doing there, and I think, honestly he doesn't get
enough credit. Is Eric Kendricks in the middle of this
defense because he knows Mike Zimmer's scheme so well. He's
always been great against the run throughout his entire career.
Having that kind of having your mic guy and Marrislee
(11:17):
if I was going to become that I think in
the future, but having that guy who knows the scheme,
who knows where to send guys has been really important,
and then your defensive tackles stepping up to and developing
and Mike Zimmer getting the most out of them. You
know that Front seven really is has been impressive this year.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Earlier this morning, Jerry Jones was on one on five
Got three the Fan with Sean RJ and Bobby. What
was his message there and kind of what did you
take from that conversation, particularly what he had to say
about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, there was a lot there. There was a lot,
but there wasn't if that makes sense. We're getting to
the point of the year.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Obviously we're being asked about Mike McCarthy's future because everybody's
contracts are up. Jones non committal in terms of which
way they're deciding to go yet, but he was asked
about how there's several reports over the last couple of
days about, hey, if Mike McCarthy decides not to return
to Dallas, or if Dallas doesn't retain Mike McCarthy, there's
going to be a lot of NFL teams that are
(12:11):
interested in him and wanting to bring him in and
see what he can provide. So when he asked about that,
he said, quote, well, I feel good about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
The main thing is I like the job that he's done.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
It's unfortunate we've had the year that we've had, but
I feel good about Mike. So that was my takeaway
there in terms of that was about his in depth
as he got about, you know, what the job Mike
McCarthy has done. He talked about what he's learned through
these times with Mike. This is only his fifth losing
season as a head coach in his eighteen years coaching
in the NFL, So that's incredibly impressive. And you know,
(12:43):
you learn about a guy when you go through times
like this and what they're really about. So Jerry talked
a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
When asked if.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
He was in any sort of hurry to make a
decision about the coaching staff and their future, he said, quote,
I'm not under any.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Unusual timeframe at all.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
So that tells you probably not in a rush to
get this done. They're gonna sit back and really look
at everything and evaluate where they go from here.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
God bless them, and then no, seriously, God bless them
if they do that.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And then in terms of where they go going forward,
it is a lot about how Hey, when this team
is healthy, we feel like we're going to we can
put out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
A good product regardless.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
And the quote for me was, when I look at
where we are at our talent level, I feel real
good that we've got the nucleus of a team that
can compete. He sided things on Dak Prescott coming back, healthy,
young offensive line having another year under their belts as
reasons to why those things would happen, and getting some
defensive guys back healthy as well. So yeah, a lot
(13:39):
to unpact from Jerry this morning, but still nothing on
miche McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I heard you say.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I heard you make that noise, Brian when you sit
then when you said that about it, they have the
nucleus of the team.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you disagree with that?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Man? Did they look like a team that could go
out and beat Detroit right now, or go out and
beat Minnesota, or go beat Green Bay or go I
know San Francisco's falling apart, but San Francisco the other night,
you know, I mean, I just I think they've got
I think they've got certain players. I don't think they have.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Enough, but that I think that's what he said. Well,
at least that's how that took the nucleus he has.
They have that they have the high level players that
they do you disagree with that or do you agree
with that part?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I think that they've got probably three or four players
that can do that. I think they're going to need
a lot more great players. Yeah, of the great player.
Look at look at these teams that are NFC North
has got two fourteen game winners, and so the first
time in NFL history and somebody in that division is
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going to win fifteen games. Maybe well, if the fifteen
game winner will win the division, the fourteen game will
winner will be the fifth seed in that. Think about that.
You're gotta play that division next year, by the way, Yeah,
you know what, But you know what's interesting the Bears, Yeah,
well I just kind of feel like though, I don't
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know if they've got the I don't know if they've
got all the pieces. Yeah, and that's where it's going
to be good about the draft and hopefully they can
turn things around. I think the Commanders are going to
be better next year too. I think that I think
there's teams the Giants will see if the Giants might
have worked themselves out of getting a quarterback, you know,
the quarterback. Maybe they maybe they're going to, you know,
depend on what happens. But I just kind of feel
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like that I watched these other teams play on a
weekly basis, and I just don't feel like Dallas's could
really compete now, maybe right now with the way that
they surely can't with the way it's configured now. But man,
they got they're gonna have to figure out some things. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
My thing with with kind of when you talk about
it from that standpoint is I think Dallas has some pieces.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I agree with you. Yeah, I think right now, I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Look at this team relative to twenty twenty three version,
and the twenty twenty three version was a good team.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, they still.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Didn't have an enough to get deep into the playoffs.
And that's where I'm like, I think, there, I agree
with you. I think they need a few more of
those difference making players. And here's the part that's the kicker.
They lost so much of their depth last year. They
can't have another year of the blood letting they had
last year where you lose.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So many of the depth guys.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
But that's what I'm saying, like that, that's the point,
that's where I think the issue really becomes it becomes
where this thing becomes a problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Is your depth was hit last year.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
If your depth gets hit again this year, that's not
moving you forward now. I think on Jerry's from Jerry's
point of view, he's probably looking at it and saying, well, yeah,
we think that we've replenished some of that depth with
the guys we drafted last year.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They had this time to play, that will be better
next year.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Question.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Okay, let's let's hope that's hope. Right.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
We don't know that, but but they can hope that,
and then they got to have another great draft this year, right,
and then you can maybe.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Replenish all that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
But that's that's the hard part about this is the
depth has become an issue.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
For them this point.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
It's a high ask.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think it's a high Asshi.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
No, no, please cut me off any time you want.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
But when he says nucleus, right, and you think about
the nucleus of teams anywhere, you're usually not getting more
than four guys who make up your I think at least,
and you gets feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
But this nucleus from what Jerry's talked about, from what
Stevens talked about, is Dak Prescott, Ceede Lamb and Michael Parsons.
You've had all three of them together on the same
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field this year for what four or five games.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And by the way, he threw in Trayvon Diggs as well.
So if you want to throw him in there, so
you can throw in out there, how much he's lost,
how how how many games.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
He missed, you can throw Trayvon Diggs in there.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So if that's your nucleus, that's great, that's I would
say that's a pretty good nucleus because when Dak Prescott's
playing well, he's shown that he can play at an
MVP like level. Ceedy Lamb has shown that he's one
of the best wide receivers in the league. Michael Parsons
makes a difference for your entire defense. When Trayvon Diggs
is healthy, he's a ballhawk. That's all well and good.
The problem is there's twenty two players on a field
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and you're gonna more than that. Like you guys talked
about with depth, does Dallas have the depth right now
to when you get those guys back, compete with the
best in the NFC. I don't think so. And That's
why I think you need a good draft this year.
There's got to be something done in free agency. That
doesn't mean you need to go out and sign you know,
fifteen high level guys who are hitting the market. But
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this team just right now, personnel wise, I don't think
has everything they need to get to where Jerry Jones
says they are.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
The hard part is you look at a team like
let's say, for example, Detroit or maybe even Philly. You
look at just you start going down their roster. Yeah,
and when you start doing that, you say, man, that nucleus.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is a lot, bigger lot.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
But I mean they got star players at a lot
of positions, and that's where it.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Becomes a little difficult when you try to match that up.
And I think that's I think that's the caliber roster
Dallas had in twenty two and twenty three. I don't
think they're they're there right now.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think they're not.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I think you're Seattle. I think you're Atlanta. I think
you're Tampa. Yeah, that's who you seem are pretty good. Yeah,
that's who you are. But you're not Detroit, you're not Minnesota,
you're not Green Bay. You know. I don't know what
the Rams are.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I mean, the Ram probablygory. The Rams are probably the
echelon of rams. Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas. You know, forty nine ers,
they the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I think I think they have missed their wind.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, I think the forty nine ers should have been
that tool. Forty nine ers should have been in that
mix with Philadelphia, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's teams. I
think you're good enough to beat Tampa, but you're not
good enough to beat Minnesota. You might, I mean, it
took it, took, it took it. It was a great
game to beat the Commanders. It took it, took a
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defensive effort, it took special teams, it took some fluky touchdowns,
but you won that game. You're good enough to beat
the Commanders. I think Dallas proved a lot with the
roster they had that how their depth, and but they're
they're they're not good enough to compete right now. Philadelphia
they I will say this though, going back about Barkley
(20:12):
his three worst rushing games, Cleveland, Dallas, Pittsburgh. They held
him that first time around. Yeah three, I mean, so Dallas,
Dallas did a nice job against him. The first time
they played. The second time, it was they just didn't
have enough.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I will say this, I would love to see Mike
Zimmer's iteration of this defense in the second half of
the season. Combined with a healthy Dak Prescott and an
offensive line that plays better than they.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
Were, those things, to me, could make this team, get
this team back into that playoff ten win type area.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I still don't know if they have enough though, to
beat the Detroits and and the Phillies consistently. Yeah, and
those teams that are just at the top of the league, Like,
that's the part where they're gonna have to do a
lot and a lot of guys are going to have
to develop in order for them to get to that level.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I think, yeah, all right, we're gonna take our first break.
We're gonna come back.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
We're going to dive into the Bryant brain of Brian
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Speaker 6 (24:11):
All right, Ryan, we do I like the way you
play on the fly kind of hockey like there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You gotta do what you gotta do, all right, Tommy.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yes, sir, I was teasing all these Mike Zimmer questions.
I got one for you. Then let's go. Tommy. Do
you worry that, even given the opportunity to return, Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Won't I think it's it's reasonable to think that. I
think there might be reasons for that, you know, whether
it be from how this year has gone, or how
he may feel about personnel going forward to you know,
the personal things that have happened in his life that
caused him to sit out a year of football.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Considered with you know what he's.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Already done, how long he's been in the league, and
what he wants in his future, yeah, I would say
that that's something to at least consider. But if at
the sound the same note, if Dallas wants him to
come back, or if he wants to come back to Dallas,
and you know there's mutual feeling there, sure you bring
him back. I think I feel like what he's done
in this back half of the season with such limited
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personnel has has been great all the time. I mean
Sunday showed you that it hasn't been the lead, sure,
but it's been good enough to where I think you
want him back, Derek.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yes, I worry about it, And the only reason I
worry about it is because I want him back. And
that tells you the love of respect I have for
him as a defensive coordinator. What he's done this year,
I think, in getting this defense on track after the
poor start, says to me that if you give him time,
he'll make it work, and that means he'll have even
(25:44):
more time if he goes into next year, he'll have
a better contingent of players, because hopefully he'll have everyone
healthy or at least have a few more options. Definitely
at cornerback, they should hopefully get some more guys that
they can roll out there if they need to. You know,
I just think that everything thing right now is pointing
up with a lot of these guys and with this
defense overall, I don't want to short circuit that, and
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that's why I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I want him to be back.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, I'd like I have not talked to Mike about
this at all, so I'll be very upfront about that.
I will say this though, that I do worry about
him coming back. I do big Mike has got a
lot of other interests. He's you know, he's a horse breeder.
He's got a horse that's legitimly can run in the
Kentucky Derby here soon. It's gonna take money to do that,
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So Mike probably wants to keep his shop as long
as he can.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But but I think for Costa Rica, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I think that Mike. I think that Mike is uh.
I think Mike did the Jones is a favor here.
I think he did Mike McCarthy favorite coming here. And
you know, you know, and he's you know, he's helped
some guys you know along the way. You look, what,
maybe Al Harris got a little bit more experience working
with Nick could not what could be better for dan Quinn?
I mean, it's gonna be for Al Harris worked for
(26:54):
with dan Quinn, work with Mike Zimmer learn a little bit,
uh that way. I just but I would be concerned.
I don't think this is necessarily This is my opinion.
I don't think it's a slam dunk, you know. I
think the Cowboys would you know, he's he did it
as a favor and he showed up well, yeah early
in the season. I can understand why they had some
of the issues they have. We kind of went through
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that earlier. But I kind of feel like though that
we need to keep an eye on that one. It's
really really deeded too.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
How would you feel as an offshoot? How would you
feel if if Mike decided he was going to walk away?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And uh, and then Al Harris is the guy that
they tap.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
You know what? But yeah, I feel good about Al
because I think Al how's the respect to the players,
and I think he knows what he's doing. Yeah, I
think he knows what he's doing it and I would
hope that the others that were here still in the
staff would stay and because I think they have a
pretty good group of coaches, you know, considering it was
kind of a mesh of two staffs. But you and
you could go out. There might be some other guys
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you want to you know, you want to go. I
will say this though, there are some quality coordinators potentially
aren't going to be on the market to Corneas. If
you look at what happens Robert Sala, you know, do
you do?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
You do?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
You make a point to go get Robert Sala and
then let Al Harrison this group learn with Robert. Robert
Salarr will probably want to bring some of these guys.
But it's like Mike Zimmer wanted to.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
What he did out in San Francisco's pretty yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
And then and then you know, Matt Eberflus is another
one that you know the Bears. The Bears were playing
play good defense. They were just trying to get their offense.
They didn't have any offensive linemen and they couldn't. They
lost a lot of tough games this year. But Matt
Everfluce would be another one. They're going to be some
quality defensive coordinators on the street that maybe you could
you could say, you know, if Mike McCarthy gets an extension,
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maybe it is about Al Harris, you know, maybe that's like, Okay,
I gotta got a couple of years now, and I
can afford to deal with Al. But I think I
would also want to talk to Robert Saling guys like that.
If Okay, Derek, I'll go with you on this one, right.
Can Tyler Smith be your next Zach Martin?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yes, I don't see any reason why not.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I will say this, I don't think, if my memory
is correct, I don't think at this point in his
career he is as good as Zach was at this
point in his career. I think when Zach came in,
he immediately was great, like really great.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Now, let's also put that in context. He was playing
on an offensive line with some pretty great players, right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That helps.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
And I think right now Tyler is the best of
this bunch, and I think there's a sizable gap between
him and the next closest person, So I think that
does kind of affect him as well. But No, I
don't see any reason why he can't be an All
Pro caliber every year every year, heading in the trajectory
of Hall of Fame type player. But you know, he's
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got to do it obviously, But I think he has
everything there in front of him.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Tell me what about that? Do you think that that
Tyler Smith could be your Zach Martin one day?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And Derek took all the words that I was going
to use he is out of my mouth. I mean,
he's been your best offensive lineman this year. I think
that his versatility is really valuable. If he's a guy
that if you absolutely need him to play at tackle,
he can play at tackle for you, and he can
do it at a high level. And when you know,
like you mentioned, he's been the best offensive lineman for
Dallas this year, and I think he's made Cooper b
(30:18):
b better. Yeah, because that's a guy who's, you know,
for a majority of his time in college played in
Tyler Smith's spot right guard, so he's you know, got
to learn how to how to work the line, and
he's done that pretty well this year. I think your
left tackle still, you know, needs some time to develop,
but again, having a left guard next to you like
Tyler Smith is going to help with that as well.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I agree with you. I think I think he's I
think he's got the capability I mean, and I think
he's got potentially the longevity, you know, And I think
he's got the temperament. I think he's got the toughness.
I think he's got the.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Power, leadership, leadership offensive when you when.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
You talk to him after a game, it's well spoken.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
He's he's just good at giving the right information to
media at the right time and portraying something for that
offensive line of yeah him continue to fight like I.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Think that's not really good. He does not sugarcoat anything.
But he also is very, very thoughtful about the way
he speaks. I appreciate that. Tommy, coming back to you
on this one, what's your feeling on Jake Ferguson going
into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
I think that you know, you certainly wanted to see more.
There are some things that raise your eyebrow a little bit,
but you also have seen what Jake Ferguson is at
his best and what he can do for you when
he's playing his best ball.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So I don't think it's something that I'm going into
the offseason.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Thinking like, Okay, do you need to think about maybe
taking another tight end or do you need to think
about moving on. I don't think we're anywhere near that
territory yet, but certainly something that you want to watch
going forward. And my question with that too is is
that a byproduct of you've got your backup quarterback playing
the majority of the back half of the season. So
the good news though, on the other side of that
(31:54):
is we've seen a lot of good things from Luke
scoten Maker this year. He's definitely taken a step forward.
There were points this year whe were like and where
does he fit in? Brevin spam Ford has showed you
some good things when he's on the field.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
As well, so that is a good room.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
Linda Wells is a fantastic coach, so I'm not too
worried about that room. And I think Dak Prescott coming
back into the fold is going to make Jake Ferguson
really the entire offense better.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Boss Man, what are you thinking about Jake Ferguson going
into twenty twenty Shives.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
I still love Jake Ferguson. I don't think this year
was his best and that's okay. But one thing I
will say is I think they got to figure out
how to get him up feel more. Yeah, particularly up
the seams. And I think that's something that I.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Think Miss Jack.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, I think, yeah, we do know that Dak Love
he will use those and he'll take that shot and
put it right where it needs to go because it's
a scary throw to make very scary.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But Dak's not afraid of that throw. But I do
think that they.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Need to get him a little bit more involved downfield,
particularly up the seams. I think that's where Jake Ferguson
goes from being just an average run of the middle
tight end to being a tight end that really is,
you know, a weapon.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And I don't think we've seen a lot of that.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah, I get it. I get to tap the breaks
on the Kelsey's and the you know and the kittles
and that I think.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But that's a part of like he I don't know
if he got Daniel's opportunities.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Well, I tell you what I was like, Man, Jake Ferguson,
he's gonna he's gonna be on the rise. You know,
you're talking about the top five tight ends in the league.
And yeah, he had injury with the concussions. He's one
of the toughest guys and one of the best run
after catch guys. But I think I'm not going to
go into twenty twenty five with this massive amounts of
expectations on it or put too much on him.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Can I throw this edge?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
If they do what you want them to do and
they go and get a bona fide second receiver that
really is a one A, one B type receiver, do
you think that makes Jake even better? I'd hope so,
because I think part of this could also be there
really aren't a lot of wide receivers that you have
to pay attention to other than CD on this team,
which allows teams to do some different things with Jake
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to try to take him out of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's what you showed on that film yesterday. You got
three guys around Jack Fergus.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah, if you've got more wide receiver threats out there,
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Doesn't happen. No, not at all. And they and they
they're going to double and they doubled him on the
pick six. Yep, you know they said, no, you don't
have a receiver that could pick Okay. My final question
here for you guys is that let's see which one
I want to get, because I got several of these. Okay,
how about this, Derek, The evaluation of Jonathan Mingo is
(34:18):
unfair because he's not playing with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Fair.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
That is a great that's a I think a good
analysis because I think if you look at the number
of passes that he's gotten and where those passes have been,
I would venture to say eighty percent of them or
more have not been on target. They've been low, they've
been too far outside, they've been too high.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Not accurate, not accurate.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He's just he's not getting good balls, and so for
whatever reason, he's not getting good balls that play where
he was opened downfield last week, although I, although I
questioned the call on Think one to go down feel
like that he beat his guy.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He won the ball just wasn't put in the right place.
But he beat his guy and he was opened town.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I feel if that ball was on target, it may
have been a touchdown. And so that's where I look
at it, and I say I've seen enough from him,
certainly as a really good blocker, but I've seen enough
from him where I'm like, I want to go into
next year and really get a good evaluation from him,
because I think he might end up being your third
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Wins all said and done once you have Dack back.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
How about you, Tommy oh Man.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
I've talked about this about a million times since Jonathan
Mingo got here, and in the press box in Philadelphia
again this week, I'm like, man, when can this guy
get a good ball?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Right? The last time we talked about.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
He finally did, but he got that like twelve yard
reception and I think I tweeted out I was like,
that's the first past good pass that Jonathan Mingo's got
a career. And then the next one he got was
that on where the tales had a bounce. I'm just like, Okay,
this poor guy.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Let's get some help here.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
But no, it's not the first time also that he's
won of one of those routes for sure. I think
back to I think it was the first Philly game
here in Dallas where he be it's his man down
the sideline and Coop of Rush throws on the ball
and it hits off of the defender's helmet and he's
got them beat by you know a yard or two,
it's like, okay, so, uh No, I don't think it's
fair at all. And I think, I really think that
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Jonathan Mingo can give you something as a receiver, even
if that is a primary role of being a lead
run blocker. I think that's incredibly valuable. I mean, watching
Monday Night Football last night, for example, you look at
what Ben Johnson does with his wide receivers on the outside,
blocking and making room for their running backs. Man, you
can do the same thing with the Cowboys. With how
good Rico Dawdle is shown you can be after the catch,
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and how good Cavante Turpin is after the catch. They're
trying to get him the ball on the outside. A
little bit more so, having a big body like that
who can block off a corner and create running lanes,
especially when it's the fastest guy in the NFL. If
it's Turpin, it's valuable that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's just to me.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Then when you mentioned you know the Lions, it's to me,
it's a case study in a coach creating a tough
minded team, right, Like everything they do is tough minded,
and we all we all laughed and joke when he's
talking about bite, kneecaps and all that, like it was
a joke, but the reality is and right, and the
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reality is he literally went in there and he was
true about it. It wasn't like it was some fake
you know whatever. He was true about it. And his
team is like you watch them play, they are physical,
they are tough, they are they fight like you can
see the style of football they play being a direct
reflection of what he said he was going to build there.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And I think that's that to me, that's.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
A case study for any coach in football, Like you
can build a tough program, you can build a tough team,
you just gotta build it, and you got to build
it with the right mindset and whatever he did to
get to that point, they really need to be studying
that because there's a lot of teams in NFL that could.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Use that level of toughness. I agree, we're gonna take
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Back to the Break, Welcome back. We are in the
final segment of The Break.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
We are alive from this WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Let's take a couple questions here before we end the show.
Here's the big question, and I've gotten this question for
the last month, and so I think now it's time
for Brian to answer it for the folks out there.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Thank you, bastard. Ask what when does the Josh Shill
start next week?
Speaker 6 (40:55):
Is it some week next week THANXS week? Yeah, Dereka
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First? Like twelve thirteen.
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Something's got to be more than that, huh.
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I don't know, man, but it's been fun and I'm
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Speaker 5 (41:06):
It's been a while. It's been a while, but we
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starting on next Monday. Every show that we do, all
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we normally do during the off season, except for Draft Show.
Draft Show will be twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday,
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Speaker 6 (41:23):
Right, looking forward to it next Tuesday. Yeah, we we're
going to hit the ground running. One thing. Everybody on
the show when things started kind of going south, usually
you wait around till like I always waited till December. First,
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Speaker 2 (41:57):
All right, great, all right, let's get to the next quest.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
The next question was Joshua Harkins ask, what or who
are you guys really hoping to see in next week's game?
Talking about this week's game at this point as we
start looking ahead to the offseason.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Everybody getting up after every play. Yeah, that's the most
important thing. That's the most important thing to me right now.
I know you you know there's people talking about wins
and losses. You always want to try and win. If
they win, great, if they lose, you know whatever. We'll
get to the draft show next Tuesday, that kind of thing.
We'll do autopsy on Monday, draft show on Tuesday. But
I just want everybody to get up. You don't need
(42:31):
a major injury the last time, the last game out.
You just don't. Because these guys, it's the timetable, the
availability for next year, especially, you know, like a key player.
But you know, these guys are going to play hard.
You know, are they good enough to beat the Commanders?
They were a few weeks ago, but this this is
a little bit different. The Commanders are kind of on
(42:51):
a roll right now. Commanders might be a team of
destiny the way that they've been winning games. You know,
that might be this playoff team that you don't want
to have to face. So be very cautious with their players.
You need to finish out strong if you can. But
just please let everybody get up after every play. Yeah,
that's the most important thing to me. YEA, yeah, that
would be number one for me too. I'd just for
(43:12):
the sake of having a different answer. I think you
see what Trey Lance can give you this game.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
I think that Cooper Rush has proven to you that
he can be a backup quarterback that wins games if
he's called upon. He's done that in twenty twenty two.
He's done it this year. He hasn't beat the Eagles,
that's his kryptonite, but he can still come in and
he can win games for you if you need him.
You traded a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and
correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I still don't
(43:37):
know what the Cowboys have in train Lance yet. So
in this game, especially if you've got the Commanders who
are along the thought line of hey, let's just go
ahead and get ready for a round one of the playoffs.
Let's just you know, maybe give Jayden and Daniels a
quarter or a half just to keep him warm, and say,
everybody else, I think Cooper Rush has shown you enough
to show that he can be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
But what do you have in Trey Lance?
Speaker 7 (43:59):
Is this something that you can continue to develop and
continue to work on for the future.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah, I was really and I was gonna say, I
think that's a fair set thing to say. We don't
know what they have in Tree Lance.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
They know what they have in trade.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
And here's the other part that I've been I heard
somebody say this. I want to say it was on
one O five, Dout three the Fan. It might even
been on your your show, Brian g Back. I heard
someone say, is it a possibility that maybe they know
that Trey Lance is maybe better than what everybody else
thinks he is, and maybe they want him back and
putting him out there is kind of like what you
(44:33):
do in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I said that, Did you say, Okay, yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Like you put him out there and now you've got
bidders this offseason when he's a free agent, whereas you
don't put him out there, maybe you have an opportunity
to sign him back at a modern price as a
backup quarterback.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
I said that. I said, I was interesting. You said
monorit price, and you're right, I used to work cheaper price.
You know, maybe that if all sin Trey Lance plays
and has success, people might look at him a different light.
Like listen, Mike, he was the first round picking. Maybe
people say, well, Colley, you know, the only tape they
have of Trey Lance is from preseason. That's the only
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tape they've got on him. Dallas has practiced him every
day for two weeks or for two years. Now, Dallas
might think, you know, I just think that they're kind
of positioned themselves, like we need a backup quarterback. We
think enough for Trey Lance. We're probably going to move
on from Cooper Rush, but we need our backup quarterback
not to cost us five million dollars like he's cost
us right now. We need to cost one million dollars
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and maybe they can fill Now. I've said that before
and people have come at me on Twitter X and said, hey,
uh well, why if they're not going to play for
that reason, he shouldn't come back. Might not have a choice. Yeah,
you know, people might be, like you said, might not
want to Cowboys. Kind of maybe I think the Cowboys
are not playing him for the chance to get him
back cheaper as a backup next year. I really do
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believe that something about all.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. Man, We've had
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Speaker 5 (45:57):
Even though the product on the field may not have
been when we all on it, we've still be a
great year. We've had a good time, and so we
appreciate you guys joining us. It's always great when we
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That and give you our thoughts on all of that,
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Amber's out here today, but we got a lot to
get into. Tommy Yarsh joining us. We're going to uh
in the first segment. We've got a couple of different
things we want to talk about, some different comments that
were made yesterday and today. Mike Zimmer had it some
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time with the press yesterday. I thought he had some
interesting things to say. Mike, I'm sorry, I Mike McCarthy.
Jerry Jones had an interview this morning on one O
five dot three the Fan with our guy Sean, Audrey
RJ and Bobby, and he had some interesting things to say.
We'll get into some of that in the second segment.
Brian's got some I got some questions for us. You're
gonna do his Zimmer segment. Yeah, I got a Zimmer question. Okay,
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hopefully we don't tread all over your Zimmer question. If
we're too close to then be like, hey, let's back
away from that.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
And well, you know what I say. I like to
make these questions. You know, we usually all talk about
what we're gonna do here, but I like to keep
these questions where you don't know, so kind of get
that surprise answer. So if you get real close to
my Zimmer question.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Just tap me.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
I'm gonn go, Derek, Hey, back away, look them all right, And.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We got some questions too from you guys.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
You guys hit me up on Twitter, gave me some questions.
We're gonna hit some of those in the third segment.
If you if you're want to call us. You can
call us eight eight eight eight five five two two
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two nine seven. Let's save those calls for the third segment,
and we'll try to get to a couple if we have.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Them on the line. All right, Let's start first though,
with Mike Zimmer yesterday.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
Well, I'm gonna give you a quote, all right, and
then again if it gets too close, just just nudge me,
all right. But I wanted to get your reactions to
this the follow up because yeah, right, because it jumped
out at me and it was very interesting to me,
and I'd love to know what you guys thought of
it and what you think he was getting at The
quote was I wish that we that when I came in,
I did everything the way I wanted it done. That
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was probably the struggles at the beginning. I was just
doing things I was uncomfortable with, and so I had
to do what I had to do. I said it
to some of the coaches, you come in, you come in,
and you come in here.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Wow, I don't know what I may have missed it up.
They are good.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
They were good last year, right, So I come in,
I don't want to really rock the boat. I wasn't
as tough as I typically am. I probably wasn't as
hard headed about how I do things, is the best
way to say it.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's what I regret the most. What are your thoughts
on those comments?
Speaker 6 (03:21):
Tack that one, Tommy.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
I think the real key there is him saying, hey,
this defense was really good last year. I didn't want
to come in and be the guy that changes everything
and then that takes away your product on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
So from that perspective, I understand. I think there are ways, however,
to where you.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Could have come in and implemented your system, implemented your style,
whatever you want to call it, and still find that
success because the one thing that's not changing is the
guys that you've got on the roster for the most part.
Obviously there were some key departures last year, but you've
still got Microp Parsons, So you're going to build this
thing around anyways. And you know, when you think of
Mike Zimmer and I know brod Us knows him really well.
I mean, you Harden knows no nonsense. This guy's down
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to business and it's worked for him his entire career.
So I can see why that's somewhat jarring. But at
the same time, I understand the perspective of, hey, you know,
if we're rolling, I don't want to change too much,
right because it's something that has worked out well and
the teams haven't success they're winning games because of it.
But at the same time, you're hired to implement your style,
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You're hired to implement your way of doing things to
benefit this organization. And so I think he's done that
here in the back half, and I think that's because
he's gotten more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
I was very critical of Mike because I thought they
taught it too slow, And now listening to Mike talk
about it, and Mike and I haven't talked about this
particular avenue. I wonder if Mike came in and read
the room. I wonder if he came in and started
meeting with his guys. You know, Michael Parsons wasn't here
for the OTA stuff and things like that. He's like, Man,
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what am I dealing with here? The best players wrestling
sumo dudes you know in Tokyo and doing stuff like that.
You know what am I dealing with here?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
You know?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I'm okay, I've got some coaches here. I don't know
from a previous staff. You know, how loyal are.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They to me?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Are they loyal to I think Mike might have read
the room. I thought. I think Mike might have came
in and not wanted to be what Tommy was talking
about that because Mike is a hard ass. Mike is
a get in your face guy.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well we thought we were getting when we first when
they first made to hire.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Right, we were sitting there watching practice. He's got his
arm around Mozzie Smith like, hey, come on, man, you
could do this. You can. Old Mike Zimmer's like, hey,
if you don't do this, you're going to be standing
with me. I ain't effing around today. We've all seen
the NFL films where Mike has like got this crazed
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look and he's and he's going after the Cincinnati Bengal
dudes and they're all looking straight ahead like he's serious.
I've seen this from Mike. I didn't see that. I
didn't see that coaching this year. I saw a guy
that was, you know, Mike was trying to his training
camp was going, he was he was implementing some things.
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Maybe Mike read the room that the buy in was
going to be tough. He's like, man, can I come
in and be this hard ass guy. And knowing that
these guys are trying to get over of losing, it's
gonna sound terrible losing their dad dan Quinn and they
loved him, by the way, yeah Quinn, they loved dan Quinn.
They just lost their dad. And so here comes here
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comes new dad, Stepdad, and all of a sudden now and.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Start making rule.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Stepdad ain't gonna tell me what to do. You know,
we we were damn good defense with real dad was here,
not Stepdad. And I think that's where I think Mike
read the room, and I think it took it. Honestly,
it took them getting their ass kicked the way they
did the first five or six weeks of the season
to realize that, like, listen, if I don't pull this
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thing up, we're all gone. We're all gone. You Osa
Lewis all you got gone? Me too, gone. Because they did,
they turned things around in a positive way where they
weren't getting just crushed in games like they were the
first five weeks of the season.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So let me ask you this, If you take what
this defense is and I'm not talking about what they
were at the beginning of the season. I'm talking about
what they were by the final five, last five weeks.
And you compare that to the twenty twenty three version
of the Dallas Cowboys defense. Are they better, worse or
the same?
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I think they play the run better. And it sounds
crazy when you gave up one hundred and but I
think up until that point of the game. You know,
this season, there have been some days where we've sat
here and talked about the team, the opponent for that week,
and like, they can run the ball well. Opponent had
sixty yard rush. Yep, opponent had forty seven yard rushing.
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They run the ball really well. You know, Derek believed me,
Tommy believe me. They run the ball really well. Opponent
had ninety yards on you know, twenty eight carries, thirty
carries whatever, you know, something like that. So yeah, I
think I think the thing that they got better at
was playing run defense. But what also happened is he
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got something out of Golston, he got something out of Osa,
he got something out of damn Mozzi Smith, you know,
and he took and he took, he took over shown
and he made something out of over shown until he
got hurt and then this maryor Sliefeule. I mean, they're
the coaches are standing in the scouts are standing here
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during the draft, and they're telling us how much they
love Mary Sleeful and were like, god, you didn't take
a running back, you idiots. You know, they were telling
us how good you know that Neelan was, and we're like, god,
there's another running back that didn't get drafted.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
There.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
You know, they he he did something to coaches are
responsible for, and that's putting your players in best position
to make plays. Now, I'll say this real quickly. He
messed up with that whole thing with Booth. You know,
he didn't put Booth. He didn't help Booth in that
game last week. He didn't help him. And that's not
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like Mike. But maybe he was to the point where
I can't help him. I can't. I can't. I don't
have the ability to help him like I need. I mean,
I think that with what he had to work with
the cornerback situation being a damn mess, you know, Micah
coming back, I think he did the best he could.
Gave him a chance, gave him a chance from all
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to maybe keep their jobs.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
So I think it's kind of a lot of things
there when you look at this year compared to last year,
because this year, like Brian talked about, the personnel you've
got at corner has just been so up and down
and you have no consistency there, whereas they had a
little bit more of that last year, Deron Bland was
playing at an all pro level and so that completely
changes everything.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Mike did kind.
Speaker 7 (09:59):
Of talk about the booth situation yesterday in terms of,
you know, when we.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Try to give him help, they run the ball.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
That's why, say Quon Barkley has one hundred and twenty
seven yards in the second half, and so you know,
but that's also a bypart of hey, there's we got
nobody else in that room, like, like, what are you
going to do out there? Because if you slide, Jordan
lewis out there, okay, Well somebody's got to cover the
tight end. Is that something you trust Israel mcqualmuud doing?
Is it something you trust somebody else?
Speaker 6 (10:25):
I would have gambled me too.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I don't think you could have got well, And I.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Would like I would rather die a fast death in
the slow death I was dying in that game.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I absolutely agree.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
I'm not saying that that's not a bad solution because frankly,
anything would have been a better solution than what it
was at that point. So you know, from that perspective,
I think you look at last year's defense say well,
what's it's loads better? But Brian makes a good point
that this year they've stopped the run pretty well. I mean,
we look at that first half. Saquon Barkley was held
to forty yards. That is not a hang the banner
moment by any means, because he had one hundred and
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twenty seven and ran for two thousand yards on you
in the second half. But nonetheless, when you think about
where they were last year in the troubles that they
had doing there, and I think, honestly he doesn't get
enough credit. Is Eric Kendricks in the middle of this
defense because he knows Mike Zimmer's scheme so well. He's
always been great against the run throughout his entire career.
Having that kind of having your mic guy and Marrislee
(11:17):
if I was going to become that I think in
the future, but having that guy who knows the scheme,
who knows where to send guys has been really important,
and then your defensive tackles stepping up to and developing
and Mike Zimmer getting the most out of them. You
know that Front seven really is has been impressive this year.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Earlier this morning, Jerry Jones was on one on five
Got three the Fan with Sean RJ and Bobby. What
was his message there and kind of what did you
take from that conversation, particularly what he had to say
about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, there was a lot there. There was a lot,
but there wasn't if that makes sense. We're getting to
the point of the year.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Obviously we're being asked about Mike McCarthy's future because everybody's
contracts are up. Jones non committal in terms of which
way they're deciding to go yet, but he was asked
about how there's several reports over the last couple of
days about, hey, if Mike McCarthy decides not to return
to Dallas, or if Dallas doesn't retain Mike McCarthy, there's
going to be a lot of NFL teams that are
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interested in him and wanting to bring him in and
see what he can provide. So when he asked about that,
he said, quote, well, I feel good about Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
The main thing is I like the job that he's done.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
It's unfortunate we've had the year that we've had, but
I feel good about Mike. So that was my takeaway
there in terms of that was about his in depth
as he got about, you know, what the job Mike
McCarthy has done. He talked about what he's learned through
these times with Mike. This is only his fifth losing
season as a head coach in his eighteen years coaching
in the NFL, So that's incredibly impressive. And you know,
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you learn about a guy when you go through times
like this and what they're really about. So Jerry talked
a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
When asked if.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
He was in any sort of hurry to make a
decision about the coaching staff and their future, he said, quote,
I'm not under any.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Unusual timeframe at all.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
So that tells you probably not in a rush to
get this done. They're gonna sit back and really look
at everything and evaluate where they go from here.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
God bless them, and then no, seriously, God bless them
if they do that.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
And then in terms of where they go going forward,
it is a lot about how Hey, when this team
is healthy, we feel like we're going to we can
put out.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
A good product regardless.
Speaker 7 (13:19):
And the quote for me was, when I look at
where we are at our talent level, I feel real
good that we've got the nucleus of a team that
can compete. He sided things on Dak Prescott coming back, healthy,
young offensive line having another year under their belts as
reasons to why those things would happen, and getting some
defensive guys back healthy as well. So yeah, a lot
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to unpact from Jerry this morning, but still nothing on
miche McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I heard you say.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
I heard you make that noise, Brian when you sit
then when you said that about it, they have the
nucleus of the team.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you disagree with that?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Man? Did they look like a team that could go
out and beat Detroit right now, or go out and
beat Minnesota, or go beat Green Bay or go I
know San Francisco's falling apart, but San Francisco the other night,
you know, I mean, I just I think they've got
I think they've got certain players. I don't think they have.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Enough, but that I think that's what he said. Well,
at least that's how that took the nucleus he has.
They have that they have the high level players that
they do you disagree with that or do you agree
with that part?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I think that they've got probably three or four players
that can do that. I think they're going to need
a lot more great players. Yeah, of the great player.
Look at look at these teams that are NFC North
has got two fourteen game winners, and so the first
time in NFL history and somebody in that division is
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going to win fifteen games. Maybe well, if the fifteen
game winner will win the division, the fourteen game will
winner will be the fifth seed in that. Think about that.
You're gotta play that division next year, by the way, Yeah,
you know what, But you know what's interesting the Bears, Yeah,
well I just kind of feel like though, I don't
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know if they've got the I don't know if they've
got all the pieces. Yeah, and that's where it's going
to be good about the draft and hopefully they can
turn things around. I think the Commanders are going to
be better next year too. I think that I think
there's teams the Giants will see if the Giants might
have worked themselves out of getting a quarterback, you know,
the quarterback. Maybe they maybe they're going to, you know,
depend on what happens. But I just kind of feel
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like that I watched these other teams play on a
weekly basis, and I just don't feel like Dallas's could
really compete now, maybe right now with the way that
they surely can't with the way it's configured now. But man,
they got they're gonna have to figure out some things. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
My thing with with kind of when you talk about
it from that standpoint is I think Dallas has some pieces.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I agree with you. Yeah, I think right now, I.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Look at this team relative to twenty twenty three version,
and the twenty twenty three version was a good team.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, they still.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Didn't have an enough to get deep into the playoffs.
And that's where I'm like, I think, there, I agree
with you. I think they need a few more of
those difference making players. And here's the part that's the kicker.
They lost so much of their depth last year. They
can't have another year of the blood letting they had
last year where you lose.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So many of the depth guys.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
But that's what I'm saying, like that, that's the point,
that's where I think the issue really becomes it becomes
where this thing becomes a problem.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Is your depth was hit last year.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
If your depth gets hit again this year, that's not
moving you forward now. I think on Jerry's from Jerry's
point of view, he's probably looking at it and saying, well, yeah,
we think that we've replenished some of that depth with
the guys we drafted last year.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
They had this time to play, that will be better
next year.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Question.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Okay, let's let's hope that's hope. Right.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
We don't know that, but but they can hope that,
and then they got to have another great draft this year, right,
and then you can maybe.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Replenish all that.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
But that's that's the hard part about this is the
depth has become an issue.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
For them this point.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
It's a high ask.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I think it's a high Asshi.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
No, no, please cut me off any time you want.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
But when he says nucleus, right, and you think about
the nucleus of teams anywhere, you're usually not getting more
than four guys who make up your I think at least,
and you gets feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
But this nucleus from what Jerry's talked about, from what
Stevens talked about, is Dak Prescott, Ceede Lamb and Michael Parsons.
You've had all three of them together on the same
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field this year for what four or five games.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
And by the way, he threw in Trayvon Diggs as well.
So if you want to throw him in there, so
you can throw in out there, how much he's lost,
how how how many games.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
He missed, you can throw Trayvon Diggs in there.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
So if that's your nucleus, that's great, that's I would
say that's a pretty good nucleus because when Dak Prescott's
playing well, he's shown that he can play at an
MVP like level. Ceedy Lamb has shown that he's one
of the best wide receivers in the league. Michael Parsons
makes a difference for your entire defense. When Trayvon Diggs
is healthy, he's a ballhawk. That's all well and good.
The problem is there's twenty two players on a field
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and you're gonna more than that. Like you guys talked
about with depth, does Dallas have the depth right now
to when you get those guys back, compete with the
best in the NFC. I don't think so. And That's
why I think you need a good draft this year.
There's got to be something done in free agency. That
doesn't mean you need to go out and sign you know,
fifteen high level guys who are hitting the market. But
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this team just right now, personnel wise, I don't think
has everything they need to get to where Jerry Jones
says they are.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
The hard part is you look at a team like
let's say, for example, Detroit or maybe even Philly. You
look at just you start going down their roster. Yeah,
and when you start doing that, you say, man, that nucleus.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is a lot, bigger lot.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
But I mean they got star players at a lot
of positions, and that's where it.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Becomes a little difficult when you try to match that up.
And I think that's I think that's the caliber roster
Dallas had in twenty two and twenty three. I don't
think they're they're there right now.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think they're not.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
I think you're Seattle. I think you're Atlanta. I think
you're Tampa. Yeah, that's who you seem are pretty good. Yeah,
that's who you are. But you're not Detroit, you're not Minnesota,
you're not Green Bay. You know. I don't know what
the Rams are.
Speaker 9 (19:14):
I mean, the Ram probablygory. The Rams are probably the
echelon of rams. Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas. You know, forty nine ers,
they the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I think I think they have missed their wind.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, I think the forty nine ers should have been
that tool. Forty nine ers should have been in that
mix with Philadelphia, Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's teams. I
think you're good enough to beat Tampa, but you're not
good enough to beat Minnesota. You might, I mean, it
took it, took, it took it. It was a great
game to beat the Commanders. It took it, took a
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defensive effort, it took special teams, it took some fluky touchdowns,
but you won that game. You're good enough to beat
the Commanders. I think Dallas proved a lot with the
roster they had that how their depth, and but they're
they're they're not good enough to compete right now. Philadelphia
they I will say this though, going back about Barkley
(20:12):
his three worst rushing games, Cleveland, Dallas, Pittsburgh. They held
him that first time around. Yeah three, I mean, so Dallas,
Dallas did a nice job against him. The first time
they played. The second time, it was they just didn't
have enough.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I will say this, I would love to see Mike
Zimmer's iteration of this defense in the second half of
the season. Combined with a healthy Dak Prescott and an
offensive line that plays better than they.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
Were, those things, to me, could make this team, get
this team back into that playoff ten win type area.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I still don't know if they have enough though, to
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lot and a lot of guys are going to have
to develop in order for them to get to that level.
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Speaker 6 (24:11):
All right, Ryan, we do I like the way you
play on the fly kind of hockey like there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You gotta do what you gotta do, all right, Tommy.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Yes, sir, I was teasing all these Mike Zimmer questions.
I got one for you. Then let's go. Tommy. Do
you worry that, even given the opportunity to return, Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Won't I think it's it's reasonable to think that. I
think there might be reasons for that, you know, whether
it be from how this year has gone, or how
he may feel about personnel going forward to you know,
the personal things that have happened in his life that
caused him to sit out a year of football.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Considered with you know what he's.
Speaker 7 (24:51):
Already done, how long he's been in the league, and
what he wants in his future, yeah, I would say
that that's something to at least consider. But if at
the sound the same note, if Dallas wants him to
come back, or if he wants to come back to Dallas,
and you know there's mutual feeling there, sure you bring
him back. I think I feel like what he's done
in this back half of the season with such limited
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personnel has has been great all the time. I mean
Sunday showed you that it hasn't been the lead, sure,
but it's been good enough to where I think you
want him back, Derek.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yes, I worry about it, And the only reason I
worry about it is because I want him back. And
that tells you the love of respect I have for
him as a defensive coordinator. What he's done this year,
I think, in getting this defense on track after the
poor start, says to me that if you give him time,
he'll make it work, and that means he'll have even
(25:44):
more time if he goes into next year, he'll have
a better contingent of players, because hopefully he'll have everyone
healthy or at least have a few more options. Definitely
at cornerback, they should hopefully get some more guys that
they can roll out there if they need to. You know,
I just think that everything thing right now is pointing
up with a lot of these guys and with this
defense overall, I don't want to short circuit that, and
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that's why I'm worried.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I want him to be back.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, I'd like I have not talked to Mike about
this at all, so I'll be very upfront about that.
I will say this though, that I do worry about
him coming back. I do big Mike has got a
lot of other interests. He's you know, he's a horse breeder.
He's got a horse that's legitimly can run in the
Kentucky Derby here soon. It's gonna take money to do that,
(26:28):
So Mike probably wants to keep his shop as long
as he can.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But but I think for Costa Rica, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
I think that Mike. I think that Mike is uh.
I think Mike did the Jones is a favor here.
I think he did Mike McCarthy favorite coming here. And
you know, you know, and he's you know, he's helped
some guys you know along the way. You look, what,
maybe Al Harris got a little bit more experience working
with Nick could not what could be better for dan Quinn?
I mean, it's gonna be for Al Harris worked for
(26:54):
with dan Quinn, work with Mike Zimmer learn a little bit,
uh that way. I just but I would be concerned.
I don't think this is necessarily This is my opinion.
I don't think it's a slam dunk, you know. I
think the Cowboys would you know, he's he did it
as a favor and he showed up well, yeah early
in the season. I can understand why they had some
of the issues they have. We kind of went through
(27:15):
that earlier. But I kind of feel like though that
we need to keep an eye on that one. It's
really really deeded too.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
How would you feel as an offshoot? How would you
feel if if Mike decided he was going to walk away?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And uh, and then Al Harris is the guy that
they tap.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
You know what? But yeah, I feel good about Al
because I think Al how's the respect to the players,
and I think he knows what he's doing. Yeah, I
think he knows what he's doing it and I would
hope that the others that were here still in the
staff would stay and because I think they have a
pretty good group of coaches, you know, considering it was
kind of a mesh of two staffs. But you and
you could go out. There might be some other guys
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you want to you know, you want to go. I
will say this though, there are some quality coordinators potentially
aren't going to be on the market to Corneas. If
you look at what happens Robert Sala, you know, do
you do?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
You do?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
You make a point to go get Robert Sala and
then let Al Harrison this group learn with Robert. Robert
Salarr will probably want to bring some of these guys.
But it's like Mike Zimmer wanted to.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
What he did out in San Francisco's pretty yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
And then and then you know, Matt Eberflus is another
one that you know the Bears. The Bears were playing
play good defense. They were just trying to get their offense.
They didn't have any offensive linemen and they couldn't. They
lost a lot of tough games this year. But Matt
Everfluce would be another one. They're going to be some
quality defensive coordinators on the street that maybe you could
you could say, you know, if Mike McCarthy gets an extension,
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maybe it is about Al Harris, you know, maybe that's like, Okay,
I gotta got a couple of years now, and I
can afford to deal with Al. But I think I
would also want to talk to Robert Saling guys like that.
If Okay, Derek, I'll go with you on this one, right.
Can Tyler Smith be your next Zach Martin?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yes, I don't see any reason why not.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I will say this, I don't think, if my memory
is correct, I don't think at this point in his
career he is as good as Zach was at this
point in his career. I think when Zach came in,
he immediately was great, like really great.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Now, let's also put that in context. He was playing
on an offensive line with some pretty great players, right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That helps.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
And I think right now Tyler is the best of
this bunch, and I think there's a sizable gap between
him and the next closest person, So I think that
does kind of affect him as well. But No, I
don't see any reason why he can't be an All
Pro caliber every year every year, heading in the trajectory
of Hall of Fame type player. But you know, he's
(29:49):
got to do it obviously, But I think he has
everything there in front of him.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Tell me what about that? Do you think that that
Tyler Smith could be your Zach Martin one day?
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Absolutely?
Speaker 7 (29:57):
And Derek took all the words that I was going
to use he is out of my mouth. I mean,
he's been your best offensive lineman this year. I think
that his versatility is really valuable. If he's a guy
that if you absolutely need him to play at tackle,
he can play at tackle for you, and he can
do it at a high level. And when you know,
like you mentioned, he's been the best offensive lineman for
Dallas this year, and I think he's made Cooper b
(30:18):
b better. Yeah, because that's a guy who's, you know,
for a majority of his time in college played in
Tyler Smith's spot right guard, so he's you know, got
to learn how to how to work the line, and
he's done that pretty well this year. I think your
left tackle still, you know, needs some time to develop,
but again, having a left guard next to you like
Tyler Smith is going to help with that as well.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
I agree with you. I think I think he's I
think he's got the capability I mean, and I think
he's got potentially the longevity, you know, And I think
he's got the temperament. I think he's got the toughness.
I think he's got the.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Power, leadership, leadership offensive when you when.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
You talk to him after a game, it's well spoken.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
He's he's just good at giving the right information to
media at the right time and portraying something for that
offensive line of yeah him continue to fight like I.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
Think that's not really good. He does not sugarcoat anything.
But he also is very, very thoughtful about the way
he speaks. I appreciate that. Tommy, coming back to you
on this one, what's your feeling on Jake Ferguson going
into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
I think that you know, you certainly wanted to see more.
There are some things that raise your eyebrow a little bit,
but you also have seen what Jake Ferguson is at
his best and what he can do for you when
he's playing his best ball.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So I don't think it's something that I'm going into
the offseason.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Thinking like, Okay, do you need to think about maybe
taking another tight end or do you need to think
about moving on. I don't think we're anywhere near that
territory yet, but certainly something that you want to watch
going forward. And my question with that too is is
that a byproduct of you've got your backup quarterback playing
the majority of the back half of the season. So
the good news though, on the other side of that
(31:54):
is we've seen a lot of good things from Luke
scoten Maker this year. He's definitely taken a step forward.
There were points this year whe were like and where
does he fit in? Brevin spam Ford has showed you
some good things when he's on the field.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
As well, so that is a good room.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
Linda Wells is a fantastic coach, so I'm not too
worried about that room. And I think Dak Prescott coming
back into the fold is going to make Jake Ferguson
really the entire offense better.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Boss Man, what are you thinking about Jake Ferguson going
into twenty twenty Shives.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
I still love Jake Ferguson. I don't think this year
was his best and that's okay. But one thing I
will say is I think they got to figure out
how to get him up feel more. Yeah, particularly up
the seams. And I think that's something that I.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Think Miss Jack.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, I think, yeah, we do know that Dak Love
he will use those and he'll take that shot and
put it right where it needs to go because it's
a scary throw to make very scary.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
But Dak's not afraid of that throw. But I do
think that they.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Need to get him a little bit more involved downfield,
particularly up the seams. I think that's where Jake Ferguson
goes from being just an average run of the middle
tight end to being a tight end that really is,
you know, a weapon.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
And I don't think we've seen a lot of that.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
Yeah, I get it. I get to tap the breaks
on the Kelsey's and the you know and the kittles
and that I think.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
But that's a part of like he I don't know
if he got Daniel's opportunities.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Well, I tell you what I was like, Man, Jake Ferguson,
he's gonna he's gonna be on the rise. You know,
you're talking about the top five tight ends in the league.
And yeah, he had injury with the concussions. He's one
of the toughest guys and one of the best run
after catch guys. But I think I'm not going to
go into twenty twenty five with this massive amounts of
expectations on it or put too much on him.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Can I throw this edge?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:28):
If they do what you want them to do and
they go and get a bona fide second receiver that
really is a one A, one B type receiver, do
you think that makes Jake even better? I'd hope so,
because I think part of this could also be there
really aren't a lot of wide receivers that you have
to pay attention to other than CD on this team,
which allows teams to do some different things with Jake
(33:48):
to try to take him out of the game.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's what you showed on that film yesterday. You got
three guys around Jack Fergus.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah, if you've got more wide receiver threats out there,
that doesn't happen.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Doesn't happen. No, not at all. And they and they
they're going to double and they doubled him on the
pick six. Yep, you know they said, no, you don't
have a receiver that could pick Okay. My final question
here for you guys is that let's see which one
I want to get, because I got several of these. Okay,
how about this, Derek, The evaluation of Jonathan Mingo is
(34:18):
unfair because he's not playing with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Fair.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
That is a great that's a I think a good
analysis because I think if you look at the number
of passes that he's gotten and where those passes have been,
I would venture to say eighty percent of them or
more have not been on target. They've been low, they've
been too far outside, they've been too high.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Not accurate, not accurate.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
He's just he's not getting good balls, and so for
whatever reason, he's not getting good balls that play where
he was opened downfield last week, although I, although I
questioned the call on Think one to go down feel
like that he beat his guy.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He won the ball just wasn't put in the right place.
But he beat his guy and he was opened town.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
I feel if that ball was on target, it may
have been a touchdown. And so that's where I look
at it, and I say I've seen enough from him,
certainly as a really good blocker, but I've seen enough
from him where I'm like, I want to go into
next year and really get a good evaluation from him,
because I think he might end up being your third
wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Wins all said and done once you have Dack back.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
How about you, Tommy oh Man.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
I've talked about this about a million times since Jonathan
Mingo got here, and in the press box in Philadelphia
again this week, I'm like, man, when can this guy
get a good ball?
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Right? The last time we talked about.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
He finally did, but he got that like twelve yard
reception and I think I tweeted out I was like,
that's the first past good pass that Jonathan Mingo's got
a career. And then the next one he got was
that on where the tales had a bounce. I'm just like, Okay,
this poor guy.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Let's get some help here.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
But no, it's not the first time also that he's
won of one of those routes for sure. I think
back to I think it was the first Philly game
here in Dallas where he be it's his man down
the sideline and Coop of Rush throws on the ball
and it hits off of the defender's helmet and he's
got them beat by you know a yard or two,
it's like, okay, so, uh No, I don't think it's
fair at all. And I think, I really think that
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Jonathan Mingo can give you something as a receiver, even
if that is a primary role of being a lead
run blocker. I think that's incredibly valuable. I mean, watching
Monday Night Football last night, for example, you look at
what Ben Johnson does with his wide receivers on the outside,
blocking and making room for their running backs. Man, you
can do the same thing with the Cowboys. With how
good Rico Dawdle is shown you can be after the catch,
(36:33):
and how good Cavante Turpin is after the catch. They're
trying to get him the ball on the outside. A
little bit more so, having a big body like that
who can block off a corner and create running lanes,
especially when it's the fastest guy in the NFL. If
it's Turpin, it's valuable that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
That's just to me.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Then when you mentioned you know the Lions, it's to me,
it's a case study in a coach creating a tough
minded team, right, Like everything they do is tough minded,
and we all we all laughed and joke when he's
talking about bite, kneecaps and all that, like it was
a joke, but the reality is and right, and the
(37:07):
reality is he literally went in there and he was
true about it. It wasn't like it was some fake
you know whatever. He was true about it. And his
team is like you watch them play, they are physical,
they are tough, they are they fight like you can
see the style of football they play being a direct
reflection of what he said he was going to build there.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And I think that's that to me, that's.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
A case study for any coach in football, Like you
can build a tough program, you can build a tough team,
you just gotta build it, and you got to build
it with the right mindset and whatever he did to
get to that point, they really need to be studying
that because there's a lot of teams in NFL that could.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Use that level of toughness. I agree, we're gonna take
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We are alive from this WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Let's take a couple questions here before we end the show.
Here's the big question, and I've gotten this question for
the last month, and so I think now it's time
for Brian to answer it for the folks out there.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Thank you, bastard. Ask what when does the Josh Shill
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Is it some week next week THANXS week? Yeah, Dereka
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First? Like twelve thirteen.
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I don't know, man, but it's been fun and I'm
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Speaker 5 (41:06):
It's been a while. It's been a while, but we
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Right, looking forward to it next Tuesday. Yeah, we we're
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All right, great, all right, let's get to the next quest.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
The next question was Joshua Harkins ask, what or who
are you guys really hoping to see in next week's game?
Talking about this week's game at this point as we
start looking ahead to the offseason.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Everybody getting up after every play. Yeah, that's the most
important thing. That's the most important thing to me right now.
I know you you know there's people talking about wins
and losses. You always want to try and win. If
they win, great, if they lose, you know whatever. We'll
get to the draft show next Tuesday, that kind of thing.
We'll do autopsy on Monday, draft show on Tuesday. But
I just want everybody to get up. You don't need
(42:31):
a major injury the last time, the last game out.
You just don't. Because these guys, it's the timetable, the
availability for next year, especially, you know, like a key player.
But you know, these guys are going to play hard.
You know, are they good enough to beat the Commanders?
They were a few weeks ago, but this this is
a little bit different. The Commanders are kind of on
(42:51):
a roll right now. Commanders might be a team of
destiny the way that they've been winning games. You know,
that might be this playoff team that you don't want
to have to face. So be very cautious with their players.
You need to finish out strong if you can. But
just please let everybody get up after every play. Yeah,
that's the most important thing to me. YEA, yeah, that
would be number one for me too. I'd just for
(43:12):
the sake of having a different answer. I think you
see what Trey Lance can give you this game.
Speaker 7 (43:16):
I think that Cooper Rush has proven to you that
he can be a backup quarterback that wins games if
he's called upon. He's done that in twenty twenty two.
He's done it this year. He hasn't beat the Eagles,
that's his kryptonite, but he can still come in and
he can win games for you if you need him.
You traded a fourth round pick for Trey Lance, and
correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but I still don't
(43:37):
know what the Cowboys have in train Lance yet. So
in this game, especially if you've got the Commanders who
are along the thought line of hey, let's just go
ahead and get ready for a round one of the playoffs.
Let's just you know, maybe give Jayden and Daniels a
quarter or a half just to keep him warm, and say,
everybody else, I think Cooper Rush has shown you enough
to show that he can be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
But what do you have in Trey Lance?
Speaker 7 (43:59):
Is this something that you can continue to develop and
continue to work on for the future.
Speaker 5 (44:03):
Yeah, I was really and I was gonna say, I
think that's a fair set thing to say. We don't
know what they have in Tree Lance.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
They know what they have in trade.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
And here's the other part that I've been I heard
somebody say this. I want to say it was on
one O five, Dout three the Fan. It might even
been on your your show, Brian g Back. I heard
someone say, is it a possibility that maybe they know
that Trey Lance is maybe better than what everybody else
thinks he is, and maybe they want him back and
putting him out there is kind of like what you
(44:33):
do in the preseason.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I said that, Did you say, Okay, yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
Like you put him out there and now you've got
bidders this offseason when he's a free agent, whereas you
don't put him out there, maybe you have an opportunity
to sign him back at a modern price as a
backup quarterback.
Speaker 6 (44:47):
I said that. I said, I was interesting. You said
monorit price, and you're right, I used to work cheaper price.
You know, maybe that if all sin Trey Lance plays
and has success, people might look at him a different light.
Like listen, Mike, he was the first round picking. Maybe
people say, well, Colley, you know, the only tape they
have of Trey Lance is from preseason. That's the only
(45:09):
tape they've got on him. Dallas has practiced him every
day for two weeks or for two years. Now, Dallas
might think, you know, I just think that they're kind
of positioned themselves, like we need a backup quarterback. We
think enough for Trey Lance. We're probably going to move
on from Cooper Rush, but we need our backup quarterback
not to cost us five million dollars like he's cost
us right now. We need to cost one million dollars
(45:32):
and maybe they can fill Now. I've said that before
and people have come at me on Twitter X and said, hey,
uh well, why if they're not going to play for
that reason, he shouldn't come back. Might not have a choice. Yeah,
you know, people might be, like you said, might not
want to Cowboys. Kind of maybe I think the Cowboys
are not playing him for the chance to get him
back cheaper as a backup next year. I really do
(45:53):
believe that something about all.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Right, we appreciate you guys joining us. Man, We've had
a great year with you guys.
Speaker 5 (45:57):
Even though the product on the field may not have
been when we all on it, we've still be a
great year. We've had a good time, and so we
appreciate you guys joining us. It's always great when we
get a chance to sit down and talk for you guys,
and then you guys interact with us on social we're
able to hear from you and hear what you think
of the show and get feedback on things that we
can improve on. And trust me, we take those things
to heart and we really do try to improve on
(46:19):
them every single day.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
We'll be heading into the off season this next week
and we'll continue doing what we're doing this offseason. A
lot of things that will change for the Cowboys this
year this off season, so we'll be covering all of.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That and give you our thoughts on all of that,
but until Thursday. We won't be on tomorrow. We'll be
on on Thursday until Thursday for Tom Yarsh.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Brian brought us. I'm Derek Heilton. This has been a
break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys football clubs
Speaker 6 (47:04):
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