Cowboys Break: The End is Near

Bryan Broaddus, Derek Eagleton, Nick Harris and Ambar Garcia discuss Ezekiel Elliott’s second departure from Dallas, the Ring of Honor, and the final matchup against the Washington Commanders.

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It is our first show here of the twenty twenty
five year. Still got one game to finish out the
twenty twenty four season that comes up this Sunday. Cowboys
will face the Commanders here at at and T Stadium
at noon. But today we'll get you guys a little
more prepared for that game. Got a few topics we're
gonna hit today. We've got to talk about Zeke and

(01:15):
what seemed to me to be somewhat of a surprise
move that the Cowboys made, But we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about the Pro Bowl selections. Cowboys got a
few guys into the Pro Bowl, if you guys are
surprised by any other people that were in or that
are not in. And then we'll get into the Washington offense.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Brian have a breakdown.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm sure Nick's got some thoughts on this team and
their offense. Tomorrow we'll talk a little bit more about
the defense as we get you guys ready.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
For the game. So let's start with Zeke.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
We find out I think it was yesterday, all these
days of all run together, was yesterday, two days ago,
find out the.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Cowboys were releasing him.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
And my question, which I think most people know, but
I think it's worth the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Why now?

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yeah, for Ezekiel Elliott, he sees an opportunity to potentially
join a playoff team and he went to the organization saying, hey,
can I be released so I can be afforded that
opportunity in case it in case it arises, and uh,
the organization chose to let that happen, not that he
had been playing much in the last few weeks anyway,
So they released seek one on Tuesday. He cleared waivers yesterday,

(02:21):
and now he's free to sign with any team going
into the playoffs. I you know, I was trying to
think of teams that might be.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
Needing a running back in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I can't really think of any I mean, you could
look at the Chargers and Detroit was my one thought.
If David Montgomery is not as healthy as maybe they
anticipate going into the playoffs, and that's maybe their short
yardage guy that they could bring in and you know,
mix in. But you know, how confident would another team
be based on, you know, the opportunities that he had
this year, the reports about him missing meetings and getting

(02:49):
left in uh left in Dallas during the Atlanta game.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
I wonder how much that would factor.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
In if if he had an opportunity that became serious.
But nevertheless, the return for Ezekiel Elliott overall, I think
it's it's fair to say that it was it was
a failure. It was it didn't quite work out in
the end. In the beginning, it looked great, you know,
we'd come out of that Cleveland game. He had forty
nine total yards in that game he had the hurdle
on the first play of from scrimmage. Everyone was like, okay,

(03:17):
he might have a little juice, and then that would
end up being not only the most yards he would
account for the rest of the season, but the most
touches he would get the rest of the season. And
it just kind of went downhill from there, the running
back by committee approach. I wonder how much that factored
into him not being able to find his rhythm. I
think there's a lot of things you look at, but
in all, the number fifteen version of Ezekiel Elliott did
not work out here.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Now, this is the first NFL version of the transfer
portal we've heard of.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Well, Dalwin Cook last year, are you talking about like
getting released right before the playoffs?

Speaker 7 (03:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (03:45):
Yeah, Dalwin Cook last year?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Or like, you know, there's a side of me that like,
I think that maybe we got some back channeling going
on here. Do you think somebody came in with the
Rocky Arsenal and.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
That you know, hey, if he was available, now the
guy's gone.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
I could say this right, Yeah, okay, so maybe some
back channeling, like some say, hey, if you could get
them released, you maybe might take a look at him,
that kind of thing, clear waivers, that kind of thing.
I think there's a couple of things that are going
on here too. I think that maybe and this is
this is this is the conspiracy theories of me right now,
probably irresponsible. I kind of feel like that maybe that

(04:19):
that they were talking about that they were going to
play deuce on in this game, and maybe he was
going to be inactive. And you remember what happened when
they talked about him being inactive in the Atlanta week,
everything kind of went to hell. You know, He's like,
you know, oh well hey, you know, and then it
all came out about the miss meetings and things like that.
You know, all of a sudden, when he's not going
to be active, I don't want to be here anymore.

(04:40):
You know, go ahead and release me. It's all nice
and tidy and get on with a playoff team and
all that. You know, great, But I I if there
was some back channeling going on. You don't ask for
your releases late in the year unless you got something
going my opinion, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
That's still as a game check you're missing, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
So there's you know, maybe the Cowboys can find out
there was some tampering going on here. Again, I'm not
it's Brian Broadest one O five three the fan, not
the Dallas Cowboys, not it's my opinion. Sorry, okay, But yeah,
so that you know, maybe some back channeling going on,
we'll see. But maybe also too that they got to
the point where they were going to play they wanted

(05:19):
to see Deuce Fawn play, or they wanted to see
somebody else play, and Zeke Leveltt wasn't going to be
active this game. Yeah. Well, I'm just saying though, it
could be a situation where they did not want to
go through what they went through Atlanta week and they're
saying let's just move on. But it sounds really nice
and tidy that we'll get them an opportunity to get
on with a playoff team. You know.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
You know one thing that that I just jumps out
to me is that I think this year we've seen
a resurgence of running backs around the NFL who were
guys that you.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Take care of themself in the set.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
But yeah, in the second third contracts and they are
producing really well for teams this year. Do you think
that Zeke here, do you think that his lack of
production here was about other things, whether it was the
offensive line, whether it was the opportune Do you think
there were other things that were factored in or do
you think it's just he just doesn't have what he

(06:10):
once had.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
There were go ahead, no, no really played.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
There were there were multiple factors that I think played
into Zeke not being nearly as effective as even anyone
anticipated coming into the year. But I think it starts
with him off the field. It starts with what happened
off the field, him missing meetings, him losing support in
the locker room. I mean it starts there, and then
that stuff fizzles into when he actually does show up

(06:33):
to the meetings, when he actually does get onto the field.
I mean, you look at that forty nine Ers game
and when Rico Daddle was ruled out for the illness
really late in Ezekiel Elliott starts in that game.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
He didn't look comfortable the entire game.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I mean, you had Dalvin Cook getting worked in with
carries as well, But when Zeke had an opportunity, it
didn't work out because, in my opinion of what had
already been established off the field.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
No, I think you're absolutely right about that. I mean
the guys you're talking about. They they you know, we
got to you know, Derrick Henry. They they give him
the award after a game the other day, like the
red Velvet cake, and he's like not interested. Thanks. There's
a guy that's kind of conscious of what he puts
in his body, you know what. You know, probably asleep,

(07:18):
probably spends a lot of money to take care of
himself so he can play at a very very high level.
Zeke reminds me of me when I was age. I
had a great time in life. I absolutely had a
great time in life, you know, and a lot of
crazy things happened in my life at that time when
I was his age, So I understand it. I got
some Zeke in me.

Speaker 6 (07:35):
Was that a church in New York with Bill Parcells?

Speaker 3 (07:37):
No, No, that was a different trip. But but no,
but I'm serious. There's you know, guys have fun in life.
He had a lot of fun, you know, and I
think that finally caught up to him in a lot
of ways. And and so to me, uh, you know,
I I'm I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that it
didn't work out. I would be really interested if we

(07:59):
could do this, If Mike McCarthy, if you could get
Mike McCarthy on the on the side and asked Mike
McCarthy this question, did you really want Ezekiel Elliott here?
I wonder what Mike McCarthy would say, And maybe you
have to get Mike McCarthy when if he's no longer here,
you get him off at the side at the combine
or something like that and ask him that question. But
I really really wondered if this was a front office

(08:20):
driven thing, and then you know, and Mike was forced to,
you know, the San Francisco game, Okay, we're gonna we're
gonna load Zeke up here. You know, we're gonna. I'm
gonna show you, you know what that's all about. So
I think from the jump, just my opinion again that
maybe there was a divide between the front office and
the coaching staff on really what they what the vision was,

(08:42):
or what they wanted to do with Ezekiel Elliott, and
it never, for the entire season, never became anything of
any any substance.

Speaker 8 (08:50):
I think right now, in my opinion, it would be very,
very difficult to really evaluate Zeke's position at the moment
and whether or not he would have been good and
productive for these offense, even though he did get some
chances at the beginning of the season, we saw what
the running game was there. It didn't matter who was
touching the ball and who was running. It just wasn't

(09:12):
working with what the offensive line was doing for you.
So right now, I do think if given the opportunity
in a better situation somewhere else, I can see him
being productive, still be productive. I think he needs a
change of scenery for sure, because you can take you
can see how off the field he wasn't the same

(09:35):
zek like he He wasn't the same goofy, happy guy
walking around. He didn't seem happy being here. And when
you hear about missing meetings and things like that, it's
very unlikely. It's it's not like.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
Zeke, like the Zeke we used to know that was here.

Speaker 8 (09:53):
And we saw even though he had that moment, his
crazy little moments here and there at the beginning of
his career, bring it up really quick. And he was
a leader in there, in the locker room. He always
stood in front of the media and always talked, and
he took care of business. He was practicing and did
what he needed to do. So whatever the reason may be.

Speaker 9 (10:14):
And I saw it a training camp.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
When he got there, he was putting in the work
and he was like focused and kind of a tunnel vision.
But it didn't pan out for him here. So I
hope that he can find that happiness again, because you
see it in a player. You see when someone has
success and then all of a sudden they're not having
that kind of same success or attention, And not that

(10:37):
he's looking for the attention like that like in front
of us or anything like that, or anything like that.
I don't know how to describe it, but you see
when someone's demeanor just changes. So hopefully he is able
to find another team and just have a little a
second chance, another a third chance, let's say, because this
would be what he was here in Dallas, went to

(10:58):
New England and then came back. So what would that be.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Fourth chance?

Speaker 9 (11:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (11:04):
I still wish him good luck and well because we
know he deep down is a good guy.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Let me ask you this, This is a bigger picture question
based on what he's done here, because I think there
was a time I think people sat quickly forget how
good he was in twenty sixteen, and then those subsequent years,
he was really really bad.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, that all being said, do you think Zeke Kelly
is a Ring of Honor caliber player?

Speaker 5 (11:28):
I had this conversation with someone a couple of days ago.
The thing is if you if you get him in,
it opens up a really much larger situation or conversation
about a lot of other players around him, because if
you put in Zeke, then you're putting in Dak, who
you know may or may not be worthy of that
by the end. And if you're putting in Dak, you're
putting in Romo, and you're putting in Romo, you're putting

(11:48):
in does put if you put in it's just it's
kind of a domino effect from there.

Speaker 6 (11:52):
But if we're talking about Zeke in a vacuum, I
don't know. That's tough, it's hard.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I think he's one of those guys that you look
at his reduction and when he was good man, he
was really really, really good, but the longevity just wasn't there.

Speaker 6 (12:05):
Dorset is in right, Yeah he is. Yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 9 (12:08):
How many years do you need? How many?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know that
there is a certain number. Because Charles Haley didn't. Yeah,
he didn't have a large body of work here. Now
you look at his overall career between here in San Francisco,
he obviously had a pretty decently long career, but he
didn't have a long time here in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
But then you look at somebody like Dion.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Dion I think had more years here than Charles Haley
did I think in the ring is he No, he's not.
I want to say, Dion's like five years here, six
years here, Brian, you remember.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Oh look, but I don't know what I had for breakfast.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
The whole point I'm making. The whole point I'm making.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
I think he is a really, really tough one because
at the height he was as good as anybody that's
done it here absent obviously EMMTT Smith and probably Dorset. Uh,
but you know, other than that, Like, I just think
he had a really great couple three four years and
then it just kind of went away, And I just
wanted that's enough to get him in.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
And we're talking an offensive rookie of the Year knocking
on the door of MVP a couple of seasons, two
time rushing leader. That's tough to do. I don't know
that'll be an interesting conversation one day. If it were me,
i'd put him in.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah, that's just me.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I don't think he's Hall of Fame, but I think
ring Van and he has a case.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
There's the fifteen on there too, like like Kobe gets
the twenty four in the eight Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Eh. The question, the question that I would ask is,
I don't know if he was as good as Calvin
Hill was. And I'm old enough to watch Calvin Hill.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I never watched Calvin Hill, but yet knew of him,
but I didn't.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Watch Calvin Hill was a big part of some championship
teams here, and so you know, you think about of
course you're gonna think about Emmitt Smith, you're gonna think
about Tony dor set. I personally me, I don't think
DeMarco Murray gets nearly enough credit for being a good
back here, you know. And so you know, am I
saying that Ziekh's better as you look at DeMarco Murray? Sure?

(14:05):
But I mean I Calvin Hill to me was just
as just as when you go back in the seventies
and watch him play, and you know, they played a
shorter schedule, not a lot of teams, but every time
the Dallas Cowboys needed a big game. Calvin Hill delivered,
you know, And and so that's kind of where I'm

(14:26):
I'm at. I think the I think the backs from
the previous era, you know, the seventies, the eighties and
then into the nineties, I think those backs are pretty special.
But you guys did a special on Mariam Barber. He
guys did a specially. You know, we've you've seen some
really quality backs go through here. Zeke, you know, he's

(14:48):
kind of probably the head of that group. But I
don't know if I could put him ahead of Calvin
Hill in my in my mind, and I'm the oldest
one here and saw Calvin Hill play, so I can
say that.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yep, that's fair. And I do think they'll obviously that.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
The interesting part is there's only one person, Jerry, that
decides the Ring of honor.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
One person, Jerry, Yeah, right, yeah, And.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
We know he's very fond of him as a person,
and uh, and I don't know if that colors the
decision or not. I have no idea when Jerry knows that,
but but we know he's very fond of of of
a Zeke.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
So we'll see that.

Speaker 8 (15:19):
I mean, we saw Jerry's statement that came out. But
do you think, given what has happened behind the scenes,
behind the curtains in this couple of months that Zeke
has been here, do you think the relationship has changed
or been damaged a little.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Bit or But I know of Jerry, I doubt that.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Not with the front office. Maybe with the coaches.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
You can't hear any worse than some of those guys
that are in the Ring of Honor. And that's that's
not to discredit anybody that is in the ring. I'm
just there's there's been off the field issues with a
couple of those guys as well, and I don't think
a couple of them weren't about as zekes.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
My thing is like, you just look at Jerry and
you look at his players. I think Jerry's very, very,
very loyal and those players that are his guys, they're
going to forever be his guys. I don't care what
happens because you look at somebody like dez Dez has
a lot of problems with a lot of people that
came through this building while he was here. You asked
you open the question about what he thinks about Jerry Jones,

(16:14):
and it is like he just loves the man, and
it's vice versas Jerry just loves him.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And it was some of those same.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Things that we've kind of been hearing about, you know,
the mis meetings all that. That was some of the
same stuff that was happening with Daz back in the day.
But the relationship is there between he and Jerry. It
might not be there with anybody else in this building,
but within him and Jerry, that relationship is there. So
I just I feel like Jerry just he keeps the
relationship with his guys and it just, for whatever reason,
it stays regardless of what the player goes through. You know,

(16:43):
there are a lot of guys around here who have
had careers and have had a lot of problems off
the field. Some of those guys are still working in
this building because Jerry just has loyalty for them, you know.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
I just you know, if you I think if I
got this right, if you go in the stadium, you
have the pre nineteen eighty ninees on one side of
the stadium and the post nineteen eighty nine's on the
other side of the state. So yeah, there's a there's
a distinguishing line there that you know, that that you
can say, okay, well and then okay, you got guys that,

(17:13):
like you say, the Romos, the Does Bryants, the Jason Witten's.
I mean, there's there's Jerry them. Done a nice job
getting players to come through here, just hasn't turned into
the championships that you've seen on that opposite side of
the stadium. You know, you get eight men and Emmin
and Michael of course, but you know everybody else that
goes in now with that group on that on that side,

(17:36):
that's not going to be a super Bowl likely super
Bowl winning player that goes up in there. And and
now it turns into Nick is now watchdogging. You know,
when he goes to a stadium, he goes look at
these ring of honor dudes, Arizona is still.

Speaker 9 (17:53):
Yeah there loves doing that. He loves every time we
look at.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Who's fright Tripuka here? Who's what did he do? So yeah,
you start watchdog and the other team spree of honor
and then it gets you to appreciate the ring of
honor you see ten times a year, you know when
you go into that stadium.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
All right, I know we gotta go to break who
are some guys that are due though Witten is it
just Witting is is that the only home run Foreshore
will be up there one.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Day of the time that I've been here. Obviously, DeMarcus
is already in. I think Witten definitely gets in. Then
it becomes a situation of, like you said, if you
start letting in the Romo Romos, the des like those
are those were really good players, and I think they

(18:43):
were fan favorites, But I don't know if you put
them in the same category of the Triplets or of
you know, those guys that were great and they won championship. Yeah,
that's really just a hard thing. When you have a
franchise that's won five championships, then it's almost like without
a championship, it becomes very very difficult to get into

(19:03):
that upper echelon of players, right, And in some franchises
where they don't have that number of championships, it's a
little easier, and some of those guys who had really
great careers can get in because it's like, well, they
didn't have championships, but these other people didn't either, So
you know, I just think it's I think that's a
tough one. I look at Witne Witnes is the only
one for me that is a slam dunk. I don't
think there's anybody Well, I take that back, I take

(19:25):
that back. We're forgetting about the offensive lineman. Zach Martin
is a slam.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Tyren Smith is probably a slam dunk. We're not talking
about the offensive line.

Speaker 6 (19:32):
But I think those two guys, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
But those two guys added to wit and I think
those are the three players to me that are I
feel fairly certain they're going to end up in the
Ring of Honor.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
You answer your own question, what very your initial question
about Zeke? You just made the perfect.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Argument right there without.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Noting no, I think, but yeah, but Nick made the
point like if you put him in the got to
put it in a lot of other guys. And I
just I think longevity. Longevity matters, to be honest with you.
I think it's why Emmitt Smith is where he is
from the standpoint of just how he's recognized him obviously
being the leader in rushing yards in a career is

(20:13):
because of his longevity. Like he wasn't he wasn't killing
the league his last several years in the league.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
He just kept doing it, kept doing it.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Over and over, and there's something to be said for
that in the sport where injuries are a part of it.
To be able to play that long, especially at a
position like that where you're taking hits every play, like,
I really think there's some value to that, and so
I think that's probably why he doesn't end up.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
But who knows.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's Jerry's call, So only Jerry knows.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
It's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah, it's it's funny. I was trying to think of
how many Ring of Honor players are not Hall of
Fame members, and I was thinking of Don Perkins is
one of them. I know, I don't know if Don
Meredith is another one. It's very very.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Very few, rare Hall of Fame, so yeah, I think
he is.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I think that Perkins and Meredith might be the only
two tex Shrims in the Hall of gil Brandts in
the Hall of Fame. I mean, yeah, it's it's a
very it's a it is a unique group of of
you know, so now you're going to get into some
situations woldn't will be a Hall of Famer well Romo
will you know, will others? That's if your standard is

(21:22):
Hall of Fame players and executives. Then your man, your
list is going to be really really small from this
this current group of guys at the Cowboys half.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
Is you're the only one in the Hall of Fame
that's not in the Ring of Honor right now.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well the ring. I think Darren Woodson's the other one too.
By the way, now I think that Darren Woodson is
not in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
But correct, that's got to manifesting hopefully this.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
So there's probably three guys that that were not that
are that are in the Ring of hondor that they're
not a Hall of Fame members.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
All right, we're gonna take our first break. We will
come back.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
Let's dive into Washington offense on that in just second.
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All right, let's talk about the Washington offense right now.
They are fifth in scoring, they are fourth in total offense.
They're sixteenth in passing offense, but they are third in
rushing offense.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Thank you, quarterback.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I'm right.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I'm going to take you back to the Cowboys first
game with them, the first matchup this year, when they
faced them in Washington. How well do you think the
Dallas defense matched up against that Washington team in that
first matchup?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I felt like it was pretty good. I went back
and watched the game just to make sure, and what
they did was I like what Mike did with by
putting Micah Parsons as a three technique and working against
Nick Alagretti and Tyler Bottish and guys like that. So
he kind of figured out that those those guys were
going to struggle a little bit and they were able
to get some pressure that way. Golston did a really

(26:03):
nice job off the edge, you know, they were they
were able to kind of create pressures. And then zim
Are really like I said, he matched it up really good,
putting his best players on their poorest blockers when it came,
and there were a couple of times there were a
couple of sacks Nick and No you remember this where
Daniels is running outside the pocket, just unload the ball

(26:23):
instead he kind of goes out of bounce and you're like, okay,
thank you, sack. You know, sack. So yeah, this crew
is hat. If you go back and watch the Atlanta
game last week, this crew had problems with blitzing linebackers
and then also some secondary pressure and that's what Zim
did also too. We saw Wilson, you know, we saw

(26:43):
we saw Jordan Lewis rushing and all that. So there
was that that that the mug look, double a gap
blitz stuff where pressure was gonna come from. Really confused,
confused Daniels in that football game. His his reads weren't
as clear, and I think I think that he could
probably bet that we're going to see Michael Parsons move around,

(27:03):
and because they're banged up at right tackle, Andrew Wiley
has a growing problem. And so they used two different
right tackles last week, you know, with with Scott and Lucas,
and so it really wasn't as a good of a
good of a combination for them. Wiley has been really
good for them, So keep an eye on that, how
that position or how the offensive line works out. But

(27:25):
I think Zimmer's gonna hunt some matchups here Brandon Coleman,
the rookie hunts some matchups there, he's given up some sacks.
We think we talked about it last time we did
this game. That that I think that's where things could
could very well hinge for the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
I can almost guarantee.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Leading up into that first matchup with Washington, Michael Parsons
went to Mike Zimmer and he was like, Hey, I
got something, line me up over Tyler Battish.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
I know I can doe this guy. And I don't
know for sure, but I could.

Speaker 5 (27:53):
I could almost bet on it that that is what
happened because you saw him generate inteer You're pressure more
than that game than he has in any other game
this year. Two sacks in that game for him and then,
like you said, sending pressure from the linebacking court, from
the secondary, uh it, it can.

Speaker 6 (28:07):
Disrupt a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
And you talk up with the double mug look as well,
we could look at jayde Daniels, we look at c J. Stroud,
we could look at Drew Locke. All these young quarterbacks
of this defense has gone up against this year. Throwing
that double mug disguise on them has given it has
given them issues and so I think you can expect
a little bit more of the same here.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, they had some promise in the Atlanta games too,
and some of the others that I watched that doubt
was Blitz pick up with Brian Robinson. He was getting
knocked around a little bit. Brian Robinson's a good player. Yeah, yeah,
if you remember, if you yeah, if you remember, if
you remember, in the in the game, first carry of
the game against the Cowboys, he got twisted up. Mozzi
got in the backfield and he got twisted up and

(28:48):
it hurt his ankle and he really won. The same player.
They think they're going to get back, They think that
they might get back, uh uh Eckler. Yeah. So well
he's a big part of what they do. And he
did play that Cowboys, he did, and he got a
concussion in the game and hadn't played since, so he's
dealing with that. But this team loves to throw the

(29:09):
ball down the field, especially with Terry McLaurin. He is
going to make plays down the field, and they love
to throw screens. Get ready for the wide receiver screens
and get ready for the running back screens because they're
going to screen you to death to kind of see
if they can hold that rushing place.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
When you talk about the rushing game, Jayden Daniels rush
for seventy four yards on seven carries against the Cowboys.
No other player game more than twenty two rushing yards
that game. Between Eckler and Robinson, how do you think
they can better contain Daniels based on what they did
in that first game?

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Or is this one?

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Is this a situation where you like, as long as
you stop those other guys, you can be okay with
him having some yards as he did in this game where.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
The Cowboys ended up with the win, said Eckler.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
No, I'm saying, how do you Daniel's if I'm.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
No, no, no.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
With with Daniel's eye, I think it's just sealing the edge.
I think it's containing the edge, keeping him in the
pocket as much as possible, And I think they did
a good job of that in that first the first matchup,
he did get away for a couple of runs, especially
there in the fourth quarter where things got crazy, he
got away for one. I think of that touchdown drive
that they had that led to the turp in return.
I look at that and I see a couple of

(30:16):
Big Daniels runs. But aside from that, they did a
good job keeping him in the pocket, keeping him contained,
and they got four sacks on him, and that it
was a really good job by guys like Chauncey Golston,
by guys like marshn England wasn't back for that game,
Michael Parsons whenever he was lined up on the edge,
being able to contain the edge and get.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
But yeah, I would have to say.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Just continue to contain him, don't let him go outside
of the pocket, because that's when he can make things
really dangerous.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
He did that against Philly.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Philly didn't do a good job of keeping him contained,
and you saw him use his athleticism not only in
scampering away but also throwing on the run.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
He's he's a Heisman winner for a reason.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
Go Tigers question their position in the playoffs?

Speaker 9 (30:57):
Do they have it? Like? Does this game change anything?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
They need to win because if they win, there the
sixth seed, which means they go play the Rams. If
they lose in green Bay wins, they can fall to
seven and then that way then green Bay would the
green Bay would be the sixth seeds.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
So they're playing in but they.

Speaker 9 (31:14):
Have, Yeah, the position.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
They're either going to play the Rams or the Eagles.
That's why if you listen to dan Quinn talk, he's
he's adamant about trying to play this game and win
because he wants to stay in the sixth seed is
what he wants to do. He would rather he would
rather deal with the Rams in indoor climate control conditions
that he would have to make a trip to Philadelphia again.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
And that's like they're playing.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, yeah, so that's that's where that's where this is
at right now. So they're gonna play. They're gonna play
to try. Now there comes to a level where all
of a sudden how much you're willing to play to win?
You know what if you get behind and all of
a sudden, then you start losing, you start to lose
players then and then that quickly that playing the win
bit turns into no, we're not playing anymore. But he's

(32:01):
come out and set. He's trying to make sure that
seating is important to him. Did he make sure that
his team is seated in the best possible spot. And
I don't know about you, but I'll take my chances
playing the Rams that I would the Eagles. Yeah, you know,
I'll take my chances.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
Help the Eagles team because they're going to be resting
this week.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
So yeah, and they're just playing well right now. That's
the herd they are.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
They are one of those teams that's going to be
a factor, I think in the playoffs. So yeah, if
you want to if you can avoid playing them the
first round, you probably want to avoid playing them that early.
What do you guys expect as far as how you
how you uh? Or who will be playing opposite Bland?
And knowing what you're talking about with McLaren, is this
a situation where.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
He plays a lot? He plays?

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Would you think about having Bland travel with McLaren just
because he's their best receiver by far?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And Bland is your best corner by far.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
He did last week with Brown, Yeah, they finally traveled,
but I think it came to a situation where they
had seven corners on.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
The keys can play though too for them. Yeah, you know, true,
he's he's he had a good game, and Brown they've
got some receivers and so yeah, I mean to me,
it's you're you're, you're you're in a bad spot. You're
in a bad spot. At that cornerback, you know, unless
you want to, like we've talked about here for the
last several weeks, is if you just say, Okay, we're
playing is he on the outside and we're to play

(33:21):
Lewis on the inside, and occasionally we're gonna flip because
you're not going to get Terry McLaurin in the in
the in the slot that much. He plays outside primarily,
his all his routes are on the outside. So you know,
they they they're going to try and find a way
to match him up on whoever your corner is opposite
or bland if that's the case, traveling, you know, travel

(33:43):
travel bland and just and just hope the hell that
everybody else can hold up, you know.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
And I'm hoping keim On Hall is ready to go.
I want to see him, but I'm hoping he's ready
to go for this one.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, I would love to just see him out there.
I just want to see what he can do. I mean,
I think he has some moments during training camp in
the preseason. Be nice just to see what he can do.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Had that pick six against Vegas, I remember that one specifically.
That's probably the reason he made the team. Or the
practice squad.

Speaker 9 (34:07):
Rather coming off a hamstring doesn't sound very promising.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
Especially one.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So going into.

Speaker 8 (34:15):
That, Yeah, you guys want to be excited about this guy,
but I'm saying, like he not hamstre seven.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Let us have some enjoy it, right, I'll tell you what, Derek,
you know you and if I can circle back on
the whole thing with Daniels, you're not going to stop
him running the ball. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen
it all. I've seen it his l s U years.
I've seen it here. Now, you know, the the the
hope is that the hope is that you you could
find a way to kind of make him play backwards
a little bit. We've seen that before with the quarterbacks

(34:45):
that have that ability. But you know he's he's going
to if he feels like he can make it. You know,
if if it doesn't look clean to him, he's going
to run.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Let me ask he, Brian.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
And this is because you've watched him in college and
the style of runner that he he is doesn't match.
But it doesn't match his body type. No, he takes
a lot of.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
His he doesn't know how he doesn't have to slap, he.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Doesn't how to protect his body.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Don't think he can hold up in an NFL career
continuing to do what he's done to this point.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
No, No, he can't because he takes some wicked ass
hits and he gets up. But you wonder. You know,
early in the year he was dealing with the oblique
or ribs or whatever it was. You know, he's on
the sidelines. I got a big pad around him, and
he's waiting, waiting, and then they take off the pad
and he goes and plays, and it affected the way
he played. They were not as good offensively when he

(35:33):
was banged up. Yeah, I've seen him take some of
the most violent shots, you know, and I'm thinking he's
not getting up, and he gets up, and you know,
he keeps playing. But he's a slightly built guy. He's tall,
he's thin, and but he is so smooth running the ball.
It's like he runs and it's seven yards and you're thinking, like,
that doesn't look like a seven yard run. But that's

(35:55):
how he plays. And he's got that feel for how
to do when he gets to the side, to get the
first and get out of bounce or you know, get
what he needs, turn back up inside or make the
read and all. So this is going to be a difficult,
difficult matchup for the Cowboys again this week, and having
to deal with the quarterback that runs. They haven't handled
that very well this year.

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Speaker 2 (39:13):
Cowboys get five players into the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
There were only I think I think I heard this
morning there were only four teams with more Pro Bowl
selections than the Dallas Cowboys, which is pretty remarkable to
say that they've had the year that they have. But
Tyler Smith, Ceedee Lamb, Michael Parsons, Brandon Aubrey, and Cavante.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Turpin all make the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Any surprises for you guys, either with guys that got
in or maybe even some guys that you thought should
have gotten in that did.

Speaker 5 (39:39):
Not give credits to where credits do. I'll start there
with Cavante Turpin getting in. I think he's very well deserved.
I think he's the best return specialist in the league.
He'll be a first team All Pro. Looking at CD
the year he had. That's great, Micah, that's great everything.
Why is Jordan Lewis doing the Pro Bowl?

Speaker 6 (39:53):
What is this?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
What is this?

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (39:55):
All right, we got we got some numbers. I'm about
to I'm about to go a little sick o. Can
I go sick o?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
For a little bit, go for it.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
So four four corners made the Pro Bowl in the NFC.
Of those four corners stacked up with Jordan Lewis, Jordan
Lewis allowed the second least amount of receiving yards to
those guys. I'll put that with the caveat that he
got credited for that eighty.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Six yard touchdown in Washington. He did, and I do not.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Believe that that should be the case, but that's what
Pro Football Focus gave him.

Speaker 6 (40:26):
So we're going to give it to him here.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
But if you want to throw that caveat, and I'm
sure and there could be some caveats with some of
these other guys, we'll put that there.

Speaker 6 (40:32):
When it comes to miss Tackles, I don't think the
third least.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I don't think Next Gen gave him that. I think
they gave that one too.

Speaker 6 (40:38):
There were.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Next year, right, I think they're winning.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
I think Hooker got that one in next year. It
should have been Hooker. It should have been Hooker. In
my opinion, miss tackles.

Speaker 19 (40:48):
For the story, Miss Tackles third least out of these
guys we're talking Byron Murphy and Minnesota, JC Horn for Carolina,
Jalen Johnson for the Bears, Devin Witherspoon for the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Now, if it's a situation where they can only get
in one nickel corner and they put in Devin Witherspoon
over Jordan Lewis, I still don't agree with that.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
I don't agree with it.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
We're looking at Devin Witherspoon giving up five hundred and
thirty six yards through the air compared to Jordan Lewis's
four hundred and five. Byron Murphy gave up seven hundred
and twenty. Like, what are we talking about here? Who's
watching the film? Who's making these decisions? Put Jordan Lewis in?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
And to Marvin and Oversham, can I complicate your argument
a little bit?

Speaker 6 (41:27):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Please?

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Did you ever look at yards per per? I guess
yards per rep.

Speaker 6 (41:35):
The reason why I say the exception, Well, no more.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I'm trying to figure out how you can do it
as the number of yards they gave up based on
the number of targets they got. Because as a nickel corner,
maybe he played less meant less reps than some of
the guys that played on the outside, which may have
meant that he gave up fewer yards I'm just trying
to see if that.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Made a difference in the numbers that you were quoting there.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
I will say, of the five that we're talking about here,
he had the second, uh, the second least amount of targets. Okay, JC,
excuse me. Jayalen Johnson was the only one that had
less target targets. Jaylon Johnson's the best corner in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (42:12):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
I'm not arguing Jalen Johnson here. I'm arguing Byron Murphy
and Devin Witherspoon. I think Jordan Lewis is better than
those two guys. I think he had a better year
than those two guys. It's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Hey, I'll tell you this, regardless whether they made the
Pro Bowl or not, and maybe maybe he still gets in.
You know, sometimes you'll have guys that can't go or whatever.
But regardless of that, what we know is this was,
in my opinion, the best year he's had it in
his career, which is which is something to say at
the stay this stage of his career to still be ascending.
I think it's been a phenomenal year for him. So
I think all the accolades are due, and they're warranted.

(42:43):
It's just when you start getting into this year, you're
really splitting here when you.

Speaker 8 (42:46):
Start I don't think he's ever been in the Pro
Bowl conversation. I think so in his career so far.
So to your point, it is very impressive that we
are actually having this conversation about him and the way
that he's overcome everything that he's overcome and got into
this point. So maybe that's not something to keep an
eye on with backups and.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
What do they call them replacement.

Speaker 8 (43:10):
Replacements, because I know CEEDI lamb, I'm sure I would
imagine he doesn't go.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
But you know that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Now, now that there's not an actual game, I wonder
if more guys will be like, yeah, I'll show up
to be able to do or I'll just show up
to wear a ball cap and just like hang out with.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I think it's probably gonna be a lot of guys.
I don't know, there will be a lot of.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
Guys unless you literally have to have surgery or you
got you know, some other committment you got to go to.
I mean, it's a free week to go hang out
with with the other guys around the league. So my
guess is that there will be a lot of people
that that probably show.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Up with.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Maybe replaced.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
You think you just don't want care. He doesn't care.
I don't want to go.

Speaker 9 (43:49):
Imagine playing Talk Award, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
But I'm saying he might still go, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Because there is no game, he can still they do
they do that?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Like I guess that's the point, Like will they replace
him for.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
Yeah, there was a player a couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
I forget who, but he had just had an ankle
surgery and he was on the sideline and crunches.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Have games though, Like that's what I'm saying now that
there's not games and everybody does everybody.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Do something in some of the competition type stuff.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I believe so because there's even a game show this year,
so you don't have to necessary start. Yeah, you don't
necessarily have to actually do anything physical to be a
part of all a Pro Bowl week, Right.

Speaker 6 (44:27):
They should just do like a three on three basketball tournament.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
That's the last thing.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
JA, let's football again.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Somebody wrecked his knee at the Sander Edwards Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
But justin Jefferson a running point.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Oh my gosh, it's a I think it's a good
showing for the Cowboys running after all that's happened this
year for them to get five guys in.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
And I love it.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
For Brandon Aubrey, I think it's well deserved and I
think it's not even close. He's the best kicker in
the NFL and if I could get him at Texas,
I would try very hard to do that if he's
got some I texted you that.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
After the game. I said, congratulations, and think Aubrey's off
next week? You can mini no.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
I literally was like, does he have anyellow?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
You know?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
It's it's funny though, when nice when you get these kickers,
and it's it comes down to it's like a forty
eight yard field gold or a thirty eight yard field gold,
and you're just you shouldn't be thinking about it. You
should think about me celebrated and now that things are
hooking and hitting off the uprights and you're like, it's
thirty eight damn yards.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Are if you can't do what are we doing thirty
eight yard kicked?

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Then?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
What? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
What are we doing?

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I mean, we need to spend some nil money on kickers.
That's what we're going to do. Let's let's yeah, like, hey, listen.

Speaker 6 (45:38):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, I'm sorry. Backup, quarterback, dude, you're not getting a
million dollars. We're going to pay our kicker.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Tell me what to send my money. I'm sending my money.
I want to kick. Give me a kicker.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
That'd been awful to lose that game twice yesterday for Texas.
If you if either one of those kicks, I mean,
you lose that game and you drove into position both times,
and you this and I mean that, that would have
been a hard way to lose. Oh yeah, well me
for Arizona State was a hard way to lose the
game too. Yeah, fourth and fifteen.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I watched the game from a sidecar social over here
in the Star District supports the Star District, and whatever
that field goal dooinked off the upright to end the game.
You would have thought that, you know, something happened in there.
You would have thought, like somebody passed out. They're like,
oh my god. But the fourth and thirteen, I completely.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
I was like, this is over, this is it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I honestly, I'd gotten to a point where I was
already thinking, Okay, how am I going to handle this?
We're gonna lose this game, and I know I'm gonna
start getting the text and the phone calls you all right,
and I'm respawn or should I just ignore everybody? Should
I turn off my phone and just walk away? And
then obviously yeah, everything happens from that point and it's like, okay, great,

(46:49):
we won.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
But man, I know this isn't talking longhorns but sending
seven on fourth and thirteen.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (46:56):
What are you?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Honestly, we necessarily picked up, like when they said pressure, pressure,
they had gotten there and they created some problems for
I get the point of what they were trying to do.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
It just didn't work.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Two stupid pills and a cup of Gatorade Game, I'll
tell you what, Jim han me my two stupid pills
and a cup of game.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But we are moving on long ones to the semi.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
Say no to drugs.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
If you guys join us, we'll be back tomorrow. We'll
wrap this thing up. It'll be our final show of
this season.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Till then.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
For Nick Harris, Brian brot us In Ambergarci, I'm Derek Eagleton.
This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot
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