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It is Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
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Doing well? Good morning, coming in hot, but we're.

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Here, We're here, We're all ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
We got the crew back together today we start talking
about Cowboys versus Panthers.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
We'll get into that Panthers offense.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
A lot of interesting things storylines to follow there, as
far as some of the players that you will see
this weekend. Facing your Dallas Cowboys, we'll talk a little
bit about the Dallas defense. We'll hopefully get a few
questions here. I have a few questions already from x
uh and so we'll try to get to some of
those in.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
The third segment.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
If you have more, please send them and we'll see
how many we can get to. At some point during
the show. Let's start first with a couple injuries I
want to I want to talk about first, give me
kind of a status on what you heard at this point.
For demarveon Overshown, we already know that he's going to
have to have surgery. Do we know anything more about
what the actual injury is and kind of the prognosis

(01:45):
of what that looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, torn ACL, torn MCL, torn PCL's. You have five
major ligaments in your knee and he tore three of them.
The bright side is there's no nerve damage and there's
no may your structural damage aside from the ligaments. If
there is a bright side to that, to that type
of injury, I say.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Bright side real quick. The bright side is like Jalen
Smiths about to get the nerve.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, and you hit it right
on the head. At Jalen Smith. He had nerve damage
whenever he suffered that knee injury that he had at
Notre Dame right before getting drafted here. So, you know,
is it something that he's going to deal with his
whole career. You would have to say so, just because
with the with the nature of the injury and the
rehab that's going to go into it. But as far
as surgery goes, I think they were trying to get

(02:33):
surgery this week. I don't think the swelling is going
to be down in time to get surgery done this week,
but something that will probably happen in the coming weeks.
And then once that surgery happens, you're looking at about
a twelve month rehab best case scenario. Now, with it
being Demarve and Overshown, I wonder how he kind of
pushes the limits there on his own account and is

(02:53):
able to get on the field a little bit earlier
than maybe anticipated. You know, Mike McCarthy said yesterday that
it's very realistic he missed the entire season next year.
Knowing to Marvin Overshown, I'm betting on that not happening,
though I wouldn't be surprised if we look up week eleven,
Week twelve next year and hey, is overshown getting close
and so it wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
But there's a lot of steps to get there. Obviously.
It's it's awful.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's my first time talking about the h the injury
on this show, and it's it's he's such a good dude.
He helps out so many people in that locker room,
he helps out us in the media, and obviously he
had a fantastic season. He was on a he was
on a Pro Bowl pace in my opinion. Wishing the
best for him and hope that my beast Texas Brethren
can can get back on the field soon.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, it's it's just unfortunate.

Speaker 7 (03:37):
But we've seen this with him and then Britt Brown
working together before and they you know, unfortunately, you know,
I was watching Britt, you know, help him off the field,
and I guarantee you that Britt was talking to him
the whole way as they were walking, and you know,
and and you know, and and I'm sure the young
man had emotions and he was probably talking to Britt like, okay,

(03:59):
here we are. This thing is probably not good. You know,
we need to get a plan and and Britt will
have a plan. The kid will have a plan. He's
a hard worker, he's dedicated, he doesn't mistreatments. It's important
to him.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
You know.

Speaker 7 (04:13):
It's it's just so unfortunate that early in his career
that he's had that dealt with these two types of injury.
This one, this one is they call it the unhappy triad,
and it is.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
It is tough.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
Uh, But you know with Britt and with his uh,
with overshown's uh toughness and desire. Yeah, that they will
they will find a way to get back on the field.
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Listening to you know, Nick and the other.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Reporters asked questions yesterday, you know, they the question was
talked to about Mike McCarthy. Asked Mike McCarthy about you know,
do you think this that they could miss the twenty
twenty five season then, you know, and Mike was you know,
Mike was honest about it. He said, there's a possibility
of that. But I like what Nick's saying. I like
what the kid's attitude is and hopefully it's a be

(05:00):
more sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Here we'll say one thing that he's already asking about
his rehab and like what he can do to get
ready for surgery and how how he can take these
next few days. And he's already on top of this rehab.
So that's that's that's good to hear. That's really good
to hear.

Speaker 7 (05:15):
I think this injury happened in Navara Bowman for the
for the forty nine ers linebacker at what point in
his career?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Uh? Yeah, early on? Was this something happened?

Speaker 7 (05:28):
It was something in the middle, something towards the end
of his career. But he he did miss the entire
season and then came back for seasons after. But I
was trying to think exactly, but I knew this was
and I remember this being an injury that he had
similar and you know, but he he did miss the
entire next season but came back.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
And was that the one he hit that happened in
the Super Bowl playoffs?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I think it was late, very late, very late, and yeah,
very late, yeah, very late in the year.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Absolutely, So I'm looking at it right here.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
He had he had torn his uh A CL, MCL,
PCL and meniscus, so it was an added lookment that
was torn for.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Him and then missed the entire next year.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
He missed the entirety of twenty fourteen, and then in
twenty fifteen he returned and was still a first team
All Pro.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
So yeah, we go, yeah, we go.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's that. Yeah, I remember this being the injury. I
didn't remember all four. I thought it was three.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
But yeah, And I guess the other part to that
is you you like the fact, at least if you're
looking for silver linings, he's a young guy. Yeah, he's
a you know, he's a guy that attacks, you know,
everything the right way. So all those things considered, there's
no reason to believe that he can't come back from
this and be.

Speaker 7 (06:33):
The I hope this is the last thing he ever
has in his career. Then, yeah, he's had He's had
two major injuries and very early in his career. You
hate that for anybody, but maybe this is the you know,
maybe this is I think this is why everybody was
really emotional in the locker room. Yeah, it was a
tough loss, but they also understand what that kid's gone
through to get back on the field, you know, especially

(06:55):
in that linebacker room.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Mate.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
You know, I listened to going back and listening to
Michael Parsons talk. I just felt like that the whole
It was like everything that he said was.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like the whole emotion of the season.

Speaker 7 (07:07):
It's just coming, you know, like you know, and he's
the one guy that stood up there and said, Okay,
you don't believe in us, don't you know? Don't he
He really put it on the line that hey, we're
a good football team. You know, keep you know, if
you want to jump off the bandwagon, jump off, but
we're a good football team. And then when how that
game went down the other night, you could just feel
the injury, the loss, really the emotion of what else

(07:28):
can go wrong in this season? It all just came out.
And I think that's the point when you start to
realize that no matter how hard we play or how
hard do we try, this is something we're always going
to have to deal with in this sport. Like I say,
look at the look at the injury report for the
two Super Bowl teams. There's not a person on that
damn thing. You know, no one, no, everybody wants to play.

(07:51):
Everybody wants to know you. You could be severely banged
up and go play in that game. But that's sometimes
how things work when you're a team that's struggling and
you're losing games, and man, it just seems like the
injuries do pile up on you.

Speaker 8 (08:04):
Well, it's very unfortunate for a guy like him, who's
so liked on and off the field and everything that
he was able to accomplish this year and looking at
next year, such a big loss for the cowboy, especially
on a year that you're struggling with cap money, you're
struggling with having to fill or going to have to

(08:25):
fill all those other needed positions, and now you're looking
at the linebackers with a guy like Eric Kendricks running.
I think this is his last. It was a one
year deal, so again just the adding to the need
of such a key player that he has been for
this defense this year, and I'm just I hope that

(08:48):
he's able to maintain the right support around him because mentally,
he's shown that he's mentally tough and when you're recovering
from that, I think that's something that contributes. I would
contribute his fast return this year because of the mental
toughness that he has and the mental like the positivity

(09:10):
that he brings. And not to turn this back to
Micah Parsons, but I thought it was very telling the
way that he reacted with so many emotions and gearing
teary eyes and all of that. Because we're often we
often hear how so many people address Micah as someone
that only cares about himself and nobody else on the team.

(09:34):
And it just goes to show again credit to Overshown
how he's been, but also impressive to see Micah in
his role kind of as a leader alongside with him.
Because you talk about someone that plays a similar position
has started doing something similar that Micah has been doing.
Sometimes you can see that as a threat, you know,

(09:56):
but it hasn't been any of that. He has embraced
that change in Overshown's game. So I thought it was
very sweet and emotional to see a reaction like that
and just to hear the amount of support that a
guy like Overshow has.

Speaker 7 (10:12):
This, you know, and Nick and I will get into
this in about a month with the draft. This kind
of puts linebacker in a situation right now where all
of a sudden, linebacker might have been something you had
on the back burner, and now linebacker even with lea
foul and you know, you mentioned Kendrick's being on a
what you need to bring. Yeah, there's there's some things
that you're probably looking at right now of whether that

(10:35):
pick's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, wherever that pick is, you know
that there off ball linebacker is going to be in
play there, you know, I mean there are a lot
of positions in play. But now you're like, okay, where's
the depth of this linebacker room. I mean, we've seen
Dmoon Clark has been really inactive, a non factor, you know,
is he part of what you're going to do? You

(10:55):
know it doesn't appear that way, but you know, we'll
see with marys Leef I having to play these these
next four games, how he's going to.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Play and if you know, if the play there is
not what.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
It needs to be, I think I think off ball
linebacker is clearly in the sites for Dallas Cowboys when
we're picking in the first round.

Speaker 9 (11:13):
John Campbell, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
That's what I'm saying. They can find you one. We'll
find you one. This became very.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
A very tough, tough injury for the Cowboys in so
many ways, Like you said in the locker room, as
a teammate, what the play is that you get on
the field, and then what you have to do next year,
and it makes you really tough because, Brian, let's say,
for example, you were going to go the route of
we're gonna we're gonna try to address this in a
draft and even take a high pick. You're using a
high pick on a position that may be only a

(11:45):
one year thing. He may come back in twenty six
and he's back to normal and Marris is playing well.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
But you don't know.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
You so now you're having to use resources on something
that could be over using the resources because you just
don't know what it'll be like a year out.

Speaker 7 (12:01):
Right, Nick, we feel better right now if Zach Martin
were to retire, right, we feel we all feel better
about maybe the right guard position.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Might be Okay, I don't think we feel this way
about linebacker right now.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Agreed, I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that's and the depth is better.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
All of a sudden, everybody's like going, well, hey need
an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Got to get it.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
You know you're probably gonna lose your guard, what about
you know, oh this move guys right now. But the
way that the depth has kind of shown up for
the offensive line position since Martin has been out gives
you a little bit more of a feeling of like, Okay,
this could be all right. I think running backs another position.
That's the same way with what you've seen from Rico Dowda.
You're like, Okay, get another guy. If you want to

(12:44):
get another guy. Maybe it doesn't have to be a
first round guy. Maybe it could be a second or
third round guy. But I mean, I feel better linebacker.
I can't say that I feel better about the position
the way it's looking right now, I can't say that.

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Speaker 1 (16:07):
Welcome back. It is the second segment of the break.
We are live from that s WBC Mortgage Studios at
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brought to you by blockchain dot com. All right, so
let's talk about the Carolina Panthers. They are coached by
Dave Canalis. Their record right now is three and ten,
but do not be fooled by that. Uh these stats
are also pretty.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Bad, but do not be fooled by them.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Right now point four, I'm just saying they've they've only
had scored on average seventeen point nine points per game.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
They are twenty eighth in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Points against twenty nine point eight is what they're giving
up per game. That's dead last in the NFL and
points against. What for you guys stands out most about.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
This team their offensive line.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's it's it's not a ton of names that you
might know. If you're a draft nerd, you might you
might know that they're left top was the first round
pick a couple of years ago, and Ekam Mgwuonu. But
I you look, it's most of the kind of a
ragtag group of guys, and they are nasty, they're dirty,
they get after it and run block. I think a
couple of them are better than others in past block.
But this offensive line, I think is the strength of

(17:15):
this team. You've seen how Chuwba Hubbard has been able
to run the ball this season, and I give a
lot of credit to the offensive line for him being
able to do that. He's a talented runner, but he
wasn't running like this whenever Carolina had these lines of
the past. And they've even dealt with injuries up front
and they've still gotten better as the season has gone on.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I think this offensive line is a real challenge for
anybody that goes up against it.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Yeah, it's got size to it, Yeah it is. It's
kind of a bully offensive line. And you mentioned there's
only been really you know, three of the draft picks
have been on it though. You know the first round
is Nick was talking about a sixth round and then
the second round. You know, Moten has played the longest
there since twenty seventeen. I kind of feel like they're
a little bit of a slow footed group, you know

(17:56):
when you watch them play. I mean because they're big,
but you know, when you and I've seen some like
people kind of move them a little bit and make
them work, you know when it comes to the quickness,
and I think that's something that this group wants to
beat up on you. They're going to play in condensed formations.
You know, we talk about the width of formations. This

(18:18):
team gets real tiny, and I mean they get real
tiny and then they push on you, is what they do.
They play a lot of bunch formations, which are the
three wide receivers. There's a lot of movement to it.
They've kind of figured out. It was kind of fun
to watch him play. I did not go and watch
when he got benched. I didn't take any of those
early games. I didn't watch any of those early games

(18:38):
they played. What's the last five games that are playing
Kansas City, Tampa, Philly, you know they played much better
as an offense. Hubbard running the football is going to
be a challenge, especially on the edge. He's one of
these guys that kind of will take the ball and
move it to the outside and try and get around
the corner. He's had his best games against teams that

(19:01):
don't play very good run defense. For example, you could
go back and look at him and I wrote these
downs because I said, Okay, I need to see this
because I went back and looked at all his carries
and like he's averaging four point seven yards of carry, right,
but he's bullied teams like the Giants, the Bears, Bengals, Chargers,

(19:22):
and Vegas. These are all teams that are that are
in the top ten when it comes to the worst
for yards per carry. But when he's played Philadelphia, Kansas City, Tampa,
the yards per carry has gone to like three and
a half. So teams that are teams that all have
a little bit better front seven, he's kind of struggled
against the teams. Dallas is fourth worst than the league

(19:45):
right now in yards per cary. I think it's four
point eight. So now if that trend holds. You know,
here it goes toop Hubbard. Could he bully a Dallas
defense that's played better in the last few weeks when
it comes to playing run defense. But I'll tell you
where I really worry about Hubbard is after what we
saw last week was Cincinnati throwing the ball to the back,

(20:08):
I worry about this guy gets involved in the passing
game too, and that's where I have some concern, not
only handing him the football, but also them splitting them out.
They go empty formation, split him out there, run routes
with him. You know, Cincinnati kind of gave you a
little bit of a blueprint of like, hey, maybe throw
the back here and you can have some success.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, but is would you say that part of the
reason why maybe they had so much success Cincinnati with
the running back is because they're dealing with on the
back end these wide receivers that are crazy good that
can kill you. Oh no, and you don't deal with
that level of wide receiver this week.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Listen, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
I just know throwing to a back is throwing to
a back to me, you know, I mean, if guys
can get open and separate and catch the ball, and yeah,
you're right, Cincinnati's got some crazy guys. I'll say this, though,
I don't know what you think about Adam. It's it's
wild to watch. And Adam Thielen is a veteran guy.
But they play in these condensed formations. They play bunch formations.

(21:08):
They'll like do crazy things like with him, like they'll
like bunch and they'll delay like he's gonna like he's
waiting on the line, waiting the line, and things start
to develop, and then you lose him and then he's
running wide open across the field and then they throw
him the ball and you're like going, damn, you know,
we got to cover this guy. But they they've they've
got some guys with Like I say, there's this Tompkins

(21:30):
kid that they have number thirteen. Now they've thrown him
four balls. He's four for four on catches in run.
But he's like the pop pass guy. He's like the
turpin dude, you know, like he comes in motion, he goes,
he goes out, he comes back in They book pop
pass it to him.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
He got Kansas City a couple of times on that
and you're wondering, like.

Speaker 7 (21:47):
Okay, if misdirection pop pass misdirection, wide wide receiver delay.
Their offense seems to be a little bit more comfortable
now kind of doing and I don't call it tricks,
but it's ways to kind of to make the quarterback.
He's thrown for like two hundred and fifty yards in
these last three games, you know, throwing the ball down

(22:10):
the field. He's been more accurate. There's the yards per attempt,
He's handled pressure better. There's a lot of things the
last several weeks about Bryce Young in this offense that
I think Carolina has to be.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
They like to be, have to be. Okay, that's what's
kept him in some of these games.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think that time off did a lot for him,
and you see kind of a different layer of understanding
for Bryce Young. It seems to be a lot slower
for him since coming off that break that he had
as a starter. I think he's starting to stamp his
place back as.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Being the guy there.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
But you're talking about the receiver group. I feel like
I've been saying this every week. There's probably two guys
that I think would be the second best receiver on
this team right now, and that's Adam Theelen and Xavier Languet.
And I would almost factor Jalen Cocher into that equation
as well. Jalen Coker an undrafted guy out of Holy Cross.
He was a Shrine Bowl guy. I hear it here
in Frisco last year, and he's been he has been

(23:04):
banged up a little bit. He's becoming a fan favorite
for the Panthers. I mean, he's he's made big plays,
he's a he's one of the guys that talks more
in the locker room than anybody. Also, the Panthers just
have a ton of media access as well.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
A lot of these guys.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
It feels like they talked during the week, just kind
of going back and looking at what they do. But yeah,
there's a no, no, no, it's a little bit uh yeah.
They are able to h they are able to uh
video in the locker room.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
And I'm like, damn, but yeah, but I think, yeah,
exactly exactly. I think, uh.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I think with this receiver group though, I think I
think you keep an eye on a few of these guys.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
And then Jatavian Sanders.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I hate to do this to you, Derek, but I'm
not a huge fan of Datavian Sanders. I loved his
potential in college. I just don't think he's an NFL athlete.
You see him be able to bully guys at the
tighten position, and I think in those in that close range,
within like the five to ten yard range, he can
really make Uh, he can really pick up some yardage.

(24:04):
But he's not going to be that run after the
catch guy. He's not going to be the guy that
separates on routes. Uh, he's just gonna be He's gonna
try to over physical you and try to try to
basically man balls away from you.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Out It is as it is it is. And then
you know, I have I have to talk about Jonathan
Brooks to tearing his a c L once again. He's
another Texas guy.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Overshon is not the only one that's that's dealing with
back to back torn a c L. So, uh, shout
out to Jonathan Brooks as well.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
You know, David Moore too, has been a guy they
got from Tampa Bay and he thought he was a writer. Yeah,
this one, this one can make contests to catches. Yeah yeah,
this one right here can make no. But they've got
it's kind of a sneaky group, it really really and
they and they have played better. I was watching the
games I the first part of that season that that's

(24:52):
a train wreck what was going on there. And but
they are, they are playing better football offensively, and they're
going to they're going to to challenge you because of
I always say this, how tight they play the condensed formations,
and they're gonna make you chase guys. If you're gonna
play man coverage, they're gonna make you chase them. And
they're gonna they're gonna test you a little bit with that,

(25:13):
with the way that they play their routes or use
their routes.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
When you talk about chub Chewba Hubbard, Yeah, what makes
him so tough as a running.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Back, He's built low on the ground, He's he's tough
to bring down.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, he's really tough.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
If he gets lower than you at the at the
point of attack, he's gonna he's gonna power through you.
And uh, he's just a tough guy to bring down.
The veteran presence that he brings. You're starting to see
what the experience in the league has done for him
over the last couple of years, because I think early
in his career he underwhelmed quite a bit. But I
think these last couple of years, he's starting to really
put it together, so much so that they've given him

(25:45):
a contract, even despite drafting Jonathan Brooks in the second round.
I think experience has done so much for him. But
he's just a physical guy. He's tough to bring down.
It's really good between the tackles and with this offensive line,
it makes a lot of sense why he's having the
year he's having.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Yeah, Like I say that between the tackles outside, it's
the Cowboys have faced some of his very similar tight backs,
the mixing guys like that that play. You know, they're powerful.
They when you hit them, they can bounce off them.
You know, you got to wrap this guy up. I
just think that to me when and usually with these
backs I kind of look and see, Okay, how are
they in blitz pick up?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
How are they passed protect? This guy didn't give up
any sacks, you know.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
So that just tells you right there that either they
get him involved with the routes, but when he has
to blitz protect or pass protect, can could be a
complete guy. Catch the football, run the ball, block those
kinds of guys you absolutely love to.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Have every offensive line, no matter how good has a
weak point. Obviously, you guys like this offensive line. If
you were going to attack them defensively and figure out
where you can get pass rush, where would you attack them?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I would say the interior. But I I really do
feel like there's a way to attack and pass rush
with just about all these guys I'm confident in and
being able to get around the right tackle Taylor Motone.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
How you say it, Moto Moton, But I think you're.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Saying you don't think they can get around him.

Speaker 7 (27:01):
He's given up the most sacks. Oh you can't get
around Yeah he has. He's given up five.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Man pff and next gen they need to have like
a merger because this is the social zero for ye know.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
He's moo.

Speaker 7 (27:13):
They say that he's given up the most sacks is
what is what he said? But you, like I said,
and I think where you're absolutely right about this. This
this this offensive line is big and there and there.
That's where I think to me, you know, Robert hunt
inside has had some he's had some issues. Like you're watching,
like quickness gets him. I think movement and I think

(27:35):
the one thing Dallas does have with their with their
defensive line is movement with with Osa, you know with
micah uh even even Golston has a little bit of
movement to him. I would not be surprised if you see,
like the Dallas get their twist game going back with this,
you know, trying to find some.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Ways maybe they're they're they're way of funny. And you
know when teams now.

Speaker 7 (27:58):
Have the way they blocking Dallas with they have the
the you know, the the the double a gap blitz.
You know, teams were putting tight ends and stuff and
backs and setting them up, you know, tight to the
line and protect. Carolina does it a little bit different way.
They put the two tight ends in the backfield and
then they put the back like an epistol formation, and
so they have like three in the backfield like an

(28:18):
inverted wishbone, and then what happens at snap They just
step up, they go play action off it, and then
but they have the guys to kind of yeah, yeah, exactly,
I mean, but but it's like that, it's like two
tight ends and then the back and the pistol and
then they step up and protect.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, that's that's saying Carolina.

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Does something very similar, and I think that's how teams
are handling Dallas's double a gap. Look, so this is
where now I feel like that, Okay, if people are
trying to block you that way, that means that they're
they're they're worried about uh, they're worried about UH. When
you get Kendricks and at the time overshown in those

(28:58):
I just really think, yeah, I feel like that. I
feel like that any one of these spots at the
tackle spot could be really really good for the couch.
But I would say the movement is going to be
the most important. How do you get how do you
get these guys going one way and take them back
the other with a rush or make these guys want
they leave their tackles one on one eighty percent of

(29:19):
the game I went back. I'm like, it doesn't like
they're getting any help. I think it was eighty one
eighty two percent of these tackles. So they're trying to
help inside more than they are on the outside. So
try and find a way to win one on one
to get some of these slower footed these offensive linemen.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
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Speaker 5 (32:27):
All right, I have a question for you, guys. Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Back when he was in college, his legs for you,
he was and that's where I was going. It was
like back then his legs were a problem. Yeah, Is
that as much of a problem at this point in
the NFL, or is that something where he's kind of
calmed that a little bit and then it's more about
him trying to throw from the pocket and maybe move
around some But is he is he really as dynamic

(32:50):
running the ball as he was in college.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Just from my perspective, I feel like last year he
tried early on to carry that athleticism over and defenses
were just attacking him. He really have the offensive line
around him to be able to accommodate for that, and
he got swarmed as a result, and I think it
kind of killed his confidence from an athleticism standpoint, because
I think you saw him earlier in the year being

(33:12):
not necessarily an entire statue, but more of a statue
than what he had been in the past, and then
you see That's what I more so say about. I
think that time off did a lot for him because
he went back to the sideline, and I think since
he's come back into the game, he started to be
a little bit more athletic. Granted, I don't think he's
going to be that guy that takes off for a
thirty yard run. I don't think he's necessarily that right now,

(33:33):
but I think he is a guy that can get
outside of the pocket, throw on the run, and make
some really impressive throws downfield like he did at Alabama.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
He's on the upper trajectory.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I think he came into the league and just went down, down, down,
And I think he's starting to come back up a
little bit. You're starting to see the bright spots of
Bryce Young and his athleticism. His mobility will always have
to be a part of that because of the size
that he is. If his athleticism and his mobility is
taken out of the equation, he is not the quarter
that was selected first overall last year.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (34:03):
I think the thing when you watch him play that
there's now a little bit more of a willingness too
if things. Especially watching the Kansas City game, they were
the way they played, like man coverage and stuff, and
he was he was seeing like he would go back
and then he would see a gap and he would
just take off. You know, It's like okay, then you know,
get what you can get down on the ground. I
think they're kind of encouraging him to use his legs more. Uh,

(34:27):
he does have the ability. He's a slippery player though
when you watch him play, you know, I mean at Alabama.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
He was amazing.

Speaker 7 (34:34):
We were just joking about the the Texas game and
how he saved that game in Austin one time. Just
duck it, you know, just he's dead to rights and
he ducks it and then next thing you know, he's
up the sidelines and there in field goal range. But
that's he he has that kind of ability. He is
so small though when you watch him play, I mean
he is like you look at Joe Burrow and others

(34:54):
of the guys that they play and he and then
you watch this guy and he's just like so small
out there, but you know they're he's throwing the ball better.
He's he's he's more confident in him throwing the ball.
He's confident what he's seeing. He is a different quarterback
than what the Cowboys you know, faced last year at
this time.

Speaker 8 (35:12):
Yeah, quick question, since I'm trying to wrap my head
around like what this matchup or how this matchup is
going to look like.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
You're winning a half point dogs in this.

Speaker 8 (35:21):
One, especially with like overshown being out and how the defense,
how that's going to affect the defense. I feel like
we never really got a chance to talk about Trevon
and Duran Blam back together and how they looked on
the field like after the game, and that was something
we were waiting for for a while, so we kind

(35:44):
of mentioned it a little bit. But how'd you feel
about like their coverage overall and working together.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
I think they had a Jamar Chase problem, yeah, but
other than that, it was.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
By the way the NFL has Chase.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
No, he was ten to twelve against all receipt all
cornerbacks that played against Smith this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I think whatever you look at Deron Bland, I was
getting ready postgame to write about how his coverage skills
have just taken off this year and it's been significantly
better than when he was, you know, being that pick
six machine last year, because I think it was more
so boom or bust with Deron Bland at times last year,
whereas I feel like this time around, we're not calling
his name as much for a good reason because he's

(36:27):
not getting thrown at that often. I was getting ready
to do that until he gave up the game winning
touchdown and then I was like, Okay, maybe we'll save
that for next week. So it's all that timing with
Trayvon Diggs that he played a ton of snaps.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
He looked healthy doing so.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I think this Jamar Chase issue was just I didn't
see them playing bad on him. I really didn't see
them having bad coverage on Jamar Chase. I just saw
a better quarterback receiver connection. I mean, those two guys
are so locked in. It felt like every time that
Chase got a reception that he had a corner draped
over him each time. It wasn't like the run after
catch really came until that very last catch that was

(37:06):
a bad play by Deron Bland. He oversold it and
then he got turned around and it was gone from there.
You take that play out of the equation. The run
after the catch wasn't really there for Chase because he
had a corner on him each time. I think Burrow
is just so precisely accurate, and Chase has strong hands,
and that connection is so good that it would have
been really difficult to stop Jamar Chase from so good

(37:26):
practice for.

Speaker 8 (37:27):
The receivers you're gonna face this week.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yes, yes, and this receiver crew is definitely not as good,
but I think there are still some guys good.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Your defensive backs can match up with it.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes, absolutely, Okay.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
I think Cincinnati went into this game playing these guys
thinking they could not play.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
The out routes.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
I think I think I think I think Cincinnati said
Dallas cannot will not drive on the ball on the outside,
because you look at all the routes, you know, it
was the next gen had it the most most receptions
on out routes in years was in.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
This football game. That his ability.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
And then it's like when they were playing zone, they
were running out routes. When they went man, they took
him inside. It's like Cincinnati had a plan for how
they were going to attack Dallas in this game. They
probably I can say, look at the number of routes
that he caught, there were out routes, because that's that's
really That's how it was.

Speaker 15 (38:25):
Like.

Speaker 7 (38:25):
When I went back, I'm like, God, it's it is.
You watched the Tate out and out and out silent out.
You know, it's like Dallas would lose him and and
it's and it they they've obviously felt like that.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
I'd love to be able to talk to somebody.

Speaker 7 (38:38):
In Cincinnati and say, did you guys feel like that
Dallas could not defend the outs? And I would be
interesting to see because the majority of his catches were
the out routes and stuff like that. Dallas did not
play those very very well.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, we had a question from Dave Diagostino. He says,
what happened in to Montclark.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Lost confidence with the coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, I think that's big.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, he lost confidence with the coaching staff. His snap
started getting taken away and overshown. Emergence was obviously very notable.
And then Leah foul passed him up as well, and
at that point there wasn't really a spot to keep
him around. And if John Fossil was gonna get either
Nick Vigil or Damont Clark on special teams, he would
have taken Vigil ten times out of ten. So he

(39:24):
lost confidence early on. He was missing run gaps. His
gap discipline was not strong early in those games we're
talking about in those first three games, whenever they were
giving up mountains of rushing yards. You look at de
Moont Clark and where he was in those situations. It
wasn't great. Granted he wasn't he wasn't benefited by the
defensive line in front of him.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
They were not helping him by any means. But he
lost confidence with his coaching staff very very soon, very
early on.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I think it's going to be very telling as we
go over the next few games. If da Mont Clark
is either inactive or active and not playing very much
on defense, that's gonna tell you a whole.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Bunch about it.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
At this point, where he is this team and what
the expectations are for the offseason.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I would assume he'd be active since overshown is now
out of the equation. I would assume that they would
bring up a linebacker from the practice squad that they
would sign, and he would be the new inactive guy
just to be around. I brock Mugenson as a guy,
he's undrafted out of South South Dakota.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
He's he's around.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
But you also have Darius Harris that's that's still on
the practice squad as well.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Maybe he's the guy that gets assigned.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Actually, Okay, but Dumont Clark, Yeah, yeah, You're gonna learn
a lot about where he stands with this coaching staff
in the next cus.

Speaker 7 (40:29):
Circle back real quick about the Chase conversation. I found
the clip Jamar Chase hauled in nine of his eleven
targets on outbreaking routes for one hundred and twenty two
yards and two touchdowns, the most receiving yards on outbreaking
routes over the last seven seasons.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I'm writing that down. Good stuff Brian brought us.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
There's there's something that they clearly felt like that Dallas
could not defend balls that were going going outside. Now,
maybe things going inside breaking routes, driving on the ball
and stuff, but nine of his nine of his eleven
targets and.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
He had he had fourteen targets overall.

Speaker 7 (41:04):
Uh so you know that are actually fourteen receptions for
one hundred and seventy seven yards, So nine of the
fourteen work came on those on those routes.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
So there there was clearly something.

Speaker 7 (41:15):
That they saw that Dallas couldn't handle that way.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Ye all right, that is a rap. We will be
back on. Yeah, I got too.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
This is we'll be back tomorrow. We will get into
the Carolina. Yeah, we get Carolina. We'll get to the
Carolina defense versus the Cowboys offense. Until then, for Nick Harris,
Brian brought us a We're gonna see I'm Derek Heiltson.
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