Captain America: Brave New World Review

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Episode Transcript

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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weeklyshow where we review superhero films and debate
the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparingtheir characters in stat-based battle simulations.
I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, MarvelousJoe. And this past week was Valentine's Day,
during which Marvel released its fourth CaptainAmerica movie, Brave New World. And we're going

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to review it. This episode, did it live up tothe legacy of the previous Captain America
movies? The answer is yes. Yeah, man. Shit,yeah. I believe you get your ass kicked for
saying something otherwise. I don't think itdid. Come at me, bro. You're on. We'll talk
about the movie later on this episode. Beforethat, we're gonna break down the latest comic

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book movie news to come out this past week.Of which there was none. We got two big trailers
last week, so I guess I'm not surprised thatthere's no real big news this week. But we
do have a no-price segment to get through, aswell as the review. And of course, we list
our segment times in our episode description,so feel free to check out the show notes if
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who supports the podcast. Guys, be sure to tuneinto the other shows and the dynaMic podcast
network this week, including Max destruction,which pits your favorite action heroes from
film and television against each other. ThisWednesday, hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding
out who would win in a fight between the MCU'sThor and the DCEU's Black Adam. We said that

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that's what they were doing last week, but lastweek they actually did MCU's Namor versus the
DCEU Aquaman. It's actually pronounced Namor.Yeah, you're right. On the Send Your World
podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates onfights between fan favorite anime and manga
characters. Zach is on a brief season breakright now, but anime fans should check out

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his past library of episodes and look forwardto the huge episode he has in the works, an
epic 10 vs 10 team Naruto vs team bleach matchup.And on the Konsole Kombat podcast hosts John
and Dean simulate battles between popular videogame characters. In yesterday's episode, they
found out who'd win in a fight between Chun-Lifrom Street Fighter and Lee-Mei from Mortal

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Kombat. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click thelink in our show notes to listen to all of
the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. Butwith that out of the way, quick to the no prize.
A no prize is an award Marvel used to give outto fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize,
is a digital award we post on Instagram forthe person that we feel gave the best answer

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to our question of the week. Last week, we askedyou guys between the Fantastic Four teaser
and the Thunderbolts big game trailer, whichgot you more hyped and why? And actually we
only got two actual answers for this questionthis past week because I forgot to change the
question on our website. So a few people whoclicked on it answered last week's question.

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So shout out to By Dear Bangora and JP fromQuebec for giving their answer from last week.
But this week's honorable mention goes to MikeWilliams, who said. On the movie I'm most interested
in seeing due to the trailer is the Thunderbolts.to see how they develop the Sentry and how
the Void is headed toward being the villainand how they're going to deal with that just

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being regular Joes and not super power the heroesbut as Marvel it'll be interesting. Thanks.
Yeah, the Thunderbolts big game trailer wasepic. It reveals that the primary villain of
the Thunderbolts movie is going to be the Voidwho is the dark alter ego of the character
the Sentry. And I have no idea how this ragtagcast of punchers and shooters is going to take

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down a character as powerful as The Void. ButI think that's one of the major draws of the
film itself. It's really this colorful castof misfit underdogs going up against these
unspeakable odds. Yeah, like how you describedit in our last episode. It's like the Suicide
Squad going up against Superman. And that'sa pretty damn good concept. Even though it

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feels like they're ripping off DC, I'm stillexcited to see the film. Yeah, for sure. Great
answer, Mike Williams. But the winner of thisweek's snow prize is Lee Tapscott. With the
consecutive win, he said, Hi, this is Lee aboutthe question. What am I more excited about?
The Thunderbolts or the Fantastic Four? I thinkit's going to be the Fantastic Four. Thunderbolts

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feels like an end to the story. Tying up looseends while the Fantastic Four is the beginning
of a new era for Marvel. something that isn'ttied down by past movies. So I think Fantastic
Four, I'm looking forward to see what's new.Yeah, I like this answer. The Fantastic Four
movie is gonna be the start of the MCU's phasesix of films, whereas, you know, the Thunderbolts

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is closing out phase five. And I think there'ssomething to be said for the... tone of the
Fantastic Four movie and how it presents thishopeful feel and the start of something new
and unique and interesting in a way that theFantastic Four should. They were, you know,
the team that really kickstarted the Marvelera of comic books in the 1960s. I think they

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can reinvigorate the MCU in a way that otherfranchises haven't been able to for a few years
now. Yeah, I like this rationale and it's onethat I didn't even really consider because
I've kind of lost track of the different phasesthat are going on right now in the MCU. I could
be wrong, but I believe the Thunderbolts alsoends the Bob Chapek era in Disney. So with
the return of Bob Iger as the head of Disney,we will hopefully see a return to form with

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the MCU. I know that Phase 6 is going to focuslargely on the multiverse, since we're getting
films like Fantastic Four, which takes placein an alternate dimension. We're getting Avengers
Doomsday. We're getting Avengers Secret Wars.And we're getting the new Spider-Man film,
which I don't know if that involves the multiverse,but at least three of the four films in Phase
6 will, that we know of so far. So great answer,Lee! You win this week's No Prize if you the

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listener want a shot at winning your own NoPrize. Stay tuned to later on in the episode
when we'll be asking another question of theweek. And when you say later on in the episode,
you mean like right now, right? That is correct!
Since we're discussing the Captain America filmthis episode, what is your favorite Captain

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America solo film and why? Of course this includesCaptain America The First Avenger, Captain
America The Winter Soldier, Captain AmericaCivil War, and Captain America Brave New World.
And you know what? Let's throw in the Falconand the Winter Soldier television series and
Black Widow since I think that movie is adjacentto this franchise. And you know what, just

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for shits and giggles, let's throw in the 90sCaptain America movie. Yeah, and the made for
TV films in the 70s too. All the Captain Americastuff. What's your favorite and why? Record
your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking onthe red microphone button in the bottom right-hand
corner of the screen, which will prompt youto leave us a voicemail. Your message can be
up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leaveyour name in case we include you on the podcast.

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We'll pick our favorite answer and award thatperson a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post
to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February22nd. And I'll make sure to get the proper
question up on the website for everyone whocalls in.

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With that out of the way, now let's move onto the main event of our episode in which we
review Marvel Studios' latest film to hit theaters,Captain America Brave New World.

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Captain America Brave New World was directedby Julius Ona and stars Anthony Mackey, Harrison
Ford, Tim Blake Nelson, and Danny Ramirez. It'sthe penultimate film in the Marvel Cinematic
Universe's Phase 5 of films and the first theatricalreturn to the Captain America franchise in
nearly a decade since 2016's Captain AmericaCivil War. Since that film, the Avengers disassembled

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and faced the threat of Thanos with Steve Rogersretiring at the end of Endgame and passing
the mantle to the Falcon, aka Sam Wilson. Thisis true to the comics when Steve Rogers once
had the super soldier serum in his body negated,causing him to advance into old age and he
passed his mantle onto his longtime partner,the Falcon. In the MCU, it was really interesting

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watching Sam Wilson handle the idea of continuingSteve Rogers' legacy in the Falcon and the
Winter Soldier television series. where he ultimatelycame to terms with the idea of taking on the
legacy and donning Captain America's shield.The big question in this Brave New World film
was, now that Sam's made his decision to bethe new Cap, would he be able to live up to

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Steve's legacy? And it's a query that playedout not only in the cinematic world of the
MCU, but also in real life as fans wonderedif this new movie would live up to the legacy
of Captain America's films that came beforeit. And as far as I'm concerned, yeah. it did.
If you haven't seen the film yet, I think that'sall you need to know for now, so I recommend

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seeing the movie, then coming back and listeningto our spoiler review. So here's your spoiler
warning. Now I'm not going to say that CaptainAmerica Brave New World was as good as either
Captain America The Winter Soldier or CaptainAmerica Civil War, but I do think it was as
good, if not better, than the tangential filmin the Captain America franchise, which was
Black Widow. If you listened to our review ofthat film, we liked it. You know, we said Black

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Widow wasn't without its own problems, suchas taking liberties with the villains from
the comics. But we also set ahead some greataction set pieces, a solid, thriller-y plot
and meaningful characterization for the protagonists.I feel the same here in that while Brave New
World couldn't quite reach the heights of thevery best MCU films, it is in itself a good

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film. And I think a lot of people, includingfatigued critics and audiences, are claiming
that if a film can't be among the best, thenit's comparatively bad. And I think that's
a mistake. I know we've stated this on the podcastbefore that quality exists on a spectrum. Quality
is not a pass fail concept. Even though platformslike Rotten Tomatoes do actively push that.

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But like if you wanna see bad, see Howard theDuck, see Catwoman, or literally any other
DC movie for that matter. If you wanna see mediocre,go see Venom or Iron Man 3. If you wanna see
good, you know, see Captain America Brave NewWorld. And if you wanna see great, of course,
go see like Logan or Avengers Infinity War,but that's neither here nor there. I don't

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feel like I should have to say it, but nearperfect films are rare, but they aren't the
only films worth seeing. I walked away fromthe theater pleased with Brave New World's
quality, and I don't think we could have askedfor a whole lot more than what we got here.
I don't think I've heard anyone say that thisis a bad film. I've heard people say that it's
low tier Marvel, which go watch Love and Thunderif you wanna see low tier Marvel. That's fair.

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I think it's closer to low tier than it is tohigh tier. I definitely think it's the worst
Captain America movie. That said, it's not abad movie. I think the comparison to Black
Widow is fair, although I would even say thatBlack Widow is slightly better in my opinion.
Well, your opinion is trash. It's pure garbage.I would actually rate Captain America Brave

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New World as, yeah sure, mid-tier, but closerto top-tier than low-tier. I think one of the
best things about Captain America Brave NewWorld is how it handles continuity in that
it both resolves dangling plot threads fromthe MCU and advances the overall plot of Earth's
Mightiest Heroes in a meaningful way. Right,it picked up the threads left in The Eternals

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and The Incredible Hulk. Right. Yeah, like forquite a while we've been saying that the biggest...
detriment to Marvel Studios right now is thatthe film universe feels less cohesive than
it's ever been, with tons of abandoned concepts,unconnected characters, and loose threads that
make things feel hard to keep up with for generalaudiences. Commendably, Brave New World continues

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the story of Captain America and the Avengers,and a little bit of the multiverse stuff regarding
the end credits stinger. But like you said regardingThe Incredible Hulk, this movie almost feels
like a quasi-sequel. to 2008's Incredible Hulk,picking up one of the longest standing plot
threads ever in regard to what happened to SamuelStearns, aka the leader, at the end of that
movie. Brave New World also addresses, likeyou said, the Eternals with that big ass celestial

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that rose from the planet's core, which hasbeen a question on a lot of our minds considering
that big giant coming out of the earth hasn'tbeen addressed in any movies since the Eternals.
Which is a huge fucking elephant in the roomto just gloss over. Right, right. So I appreciated
this movie for restoring some of that cohesivenessin the MCU in that like yeah, it feels like

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things are starting to come together somewhatand lead up to Phase Six and Avengers Doomsday
and Secret Wars. However, despite cohearingthings up a little bit, the movie could still
potentially lose some audiences I think whodon't remember plot points from films over
15 years ago, or who didn't know that HarrisonFord is filling in for William Hurt who played

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Thunderbolt or audiences who didn't watch TheFalcon and the Winter Soldier on Disney+. Like
I bet there were a lot of people who were introducedto Isaiah Bradley in this movie and were like,
did I miss something? Like who the hell is thisguy? And why is Cap so motivated in helping
him? I guarantee you that is 100% the case andI theorize that's probably why a lot of audiences

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are responding to this film the way they are.Like this film has the lowest cinema score
of any Marvel movie. in MCU history. Which isfucking bananas. Yeah, I got a B minus. And
I always have to guarantee you that it's becausepeople just have not been keeping up with Marvel.
Yeah, the movie also has like a 52% on RottenTomatoes, which pisses me off, frankly. I feel

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like going on a slapping spree with all thedum-dums out there. This movie is not the worst
MCU movie that's ever come out. Sorry, thatgoes to Thor, Love and Thunder. But like, you
wanna tell audiences you don't know who IsaiahBradley is, That just means you didn't do your
homework. So go get a Disney Plus subscriptionand watch the six episode Falcon and the Winter

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Soldier series and pay attention to Isaiah'sbackstory, you son of a bitch, then come back
and re-watch Brave New World with that context.I don't wanna do homework, fuck that. It is
a lot to ask. I also think like a lot of theaudience is probably like, am I supposed to
know this Samuel Sterns character? You know,because he does look different than he did

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in The Incredible Hulk, considering he has thatgamma brain now. Even my wife, who has seen
The Incredible Hulk like three times, stilldidn't remember Tim Blake Nelson's character.
Well, it's a lot because Samuel Sterns looksdifferent. Thunderbolt Ross looks different.
Even the actor who played the Hulk in that movieis different. That's true. That's true. The

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only one who came back was Liv Tyler in thebarest of cameos. Right. These like type of
Easter egg. callback elements are definitelyrewarding for the fans. And not even all the
fans, like I would say the fans with good memories,you know. So I just think Marvel's gonna continue
to see diminishing returns on these types ofthings solely because their continuity is approaching

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20 years now. And you know, it's not the worstproblem to have. DC would love to have this
kind of problem, but it is still a problem.I don't want Marvel's problems, ugh. Better
than DC's problems. Hey, we don't have any problemsright now, bro. We're just starting out. I
did really like the action of this movie fromthe Oaxaca fight to the Sidewinder Street battle.

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The Echo One prison fight was pretty good andespecially the aerial battle above Celestial
Island. And, you know, the Red Hulk standoffwas pretty good, too. I think one of the best
things about Sam Wilson as the Falcon and asnow Captain America, and I feel like people
don't recognize this enough, is that how thrillingit is to see him in action. in his wingsuit.

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Yeah, Sam's not as impressive a fighter as SteveRogers. You know, his ground combat can't match
Steve's fight against like Batroc or, you know,even Shang-Chi's martial arts prowess. But
in the sky, Sam Wilson's like, wow, like I'llbe damned if his aerial dogfights aren't a
sight to behold. It's basically the best thingabout the character and it's unique to his

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character as well. Yeah, I didn't love the actionin this film. I've seen a lot of people say
that the choreography was pretty slow, and Iwould agree. That said, I don't know if that
was a conscious choice made on behalf of thefilmmakers and the editing room to emphasize
the fact that Sam is not a super soldier, butI would definitely say it was a noticeable

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downgrade from other Captain America films.They definitely made it clear, intentionally
or not, within the course of this film, thatthings are more difficult for Sam. You know,
he doesn't have the super soldier serum. Itdoes take more effort on his part to try to
be Captain America. That said, he does seemto have a superpower of being able to get stabbed

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in the torso however many times he wants andstill keep going. It was really only like three
times. It was like six times. What? Yeah. Yougot stabbed with like an axe, a knife, like
something had to hit some kind of organ. Thosethings were deep. Band-aids are a thing. OK.
Anti-bacterial cream, Neosporin is a thing.Just throw some Vicks on that. There you go.

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Now, I've maintained that the Falcons dogfightin the Falcon and the Winter Soldier television
series in Tunisia, that opening action scene,it's really one of Marvel's best action scenes
in anything that they've ever produced ever.Oh, yeah. And Sam's dogfight here near Celestial
Island. I thought that was fucking awesome,too. Not as good as the Tunisia fight, I would
argue. But yeah, still not terrible. It harkenedback to like the Iron Man aerial battles that

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I loved watching. Yeah, from Iron Man one. Yeah,I think the Celestial Island dogfight was the
actual action climax of the film, because althoughthe fight against Red Hulk wasn't bad, it just
wasn't as much in Sam Wilson's element. That'snot to say I didn't like the end fight. I actually
really liked how Cap just absolutely didn'tfucking stand a chance against Red Hulk, so

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it was more about. survival and you know appealingto Red Hulk's emotional state. Yeah I've joked
on the discord that Sam Wilson's superpoweris seemingly therapy. He has therapy powers
because that's how he finished the whole becausethat's how he finished the Red Hulk in this
climactic end battle. It was kind of anti-climactic.In a way but Sam does have counselor powers

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you know when he met Steve Rogers in the MCUhe was a trauma counselor for veterans. It's
a big part of his character. to approach conflictwith reason before fists. Like if you look
at the Falcon and the Winter Soldier series,there was that moment where he nearly talked
Flag Smasher into giving up her whole agendabefore that dumb ass John Walker US agent barged

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in. And I will say that's a great aspect ofthe Sam Wilson character, who is a great longstanding
character in the MCU with that great history.That said, it's not a very cinematic, quote
unquote, superpower. And I was left kind ofdisappointed by the end battle with the Red
Hulk, just de powering himself after lookingat a cherry blossom petal in his palm. Come

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on. It was poetic, man. It was that was poetry.Yeah. What are you talking about? No, I didn't
like it. It was vaguely reminiscent of how thebig climactic Hulk versus army fight ended
in the 2003 Ang Lee Hulk movie. when Betty showedup and it calmed Hulk down enough to revert
to his human form. It also happened in the 2008Incredible Hulk film during the campus fight

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when Betty showed up he protected her from thecrashing helicopter and then like jumped away
with her. She's kind of been this calming influenceon these climactic battles and although she
didn't technically show up during this end fight,you know, her name was evoked and the Red Hulk
had a good enough tangible memento of her tothink about his daughter enough. turn back

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into his human form. I do think that the filmdid a good job of continuing the political
thriller aspect that has become a staple ofthe Captain America franchise, starting with
The Winter Soldier. You know, in that firstsequel, all the paranoia came from not knowing
who was a bad guy because Hydra had infiltratedSHIELD. In the Black Widow movie, the paranoia
came from not knowing when Taskmaster or oneof the stealthy mind-controlled Black Widows

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would attack. And in Brave New World... Theparanoia came from not knowing who was unknowingly
a mind control agent of the leader. You actuallynotice quite a few similarities between this
film and The Winter Soldier, that being oneof them. I think this tried pretty hard to
recapture that same political thriller magicas The Winter Soldier. I don't think it was

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as successful, but there was that and therewas also the scene of, you know, Captain America
and his sidekick going into that deep basementwhere there was that secret villain there.
Are you referring to Steve Rogers and NatashaRomanoff going into Camp Lehigh and finding
Arnim Zola? Yes, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Andthen there was also, of course, the machine

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gun battle on the streets between Winter Soldierand Cap. Yeah, I will say that Julius Ona,
the director, is not at the level of the Russobrothers. I would definitely agree with that
100%. Which is not saying much, I don't think,because, you know, the Russo brothers directed
Infinity War and Endgame. And they're prettymuch... at the top of their league when it

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comes to these superhero films. I think thesubpar direction in this film was noticeable.
I also think the budget on this film was noticeable.This film was only made for one hundred and
eighty million dollars, which by Marvel standardsis pretty cheap. Like the film is already going
to make its budget back with this four day holidayweekend. Yeah, which is badass. I think it

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made just under two hundred million dollarsworldwide. I mean, it's still making less than
something like quantumania. We'll see what thesecond week drop is for this film. If it compares
to as devastating a drop as quantumania had.But yeah, to me, that's still not that big
of a feat, because to me, it just says thatthe movie was really cheap. And there was a
lot of shots where you could see that was thecase. Jonathan, what DC movie made its entire

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budget back in the opening weekend? I don'tkeep track of this shit. I just read this.
This is how I know. Let me go back and findout. How about none of them, except for maybe
the Batman? You don't know that. I can see thathappening. But let's go ahead and get into
our character breakdown, starting with CaptainAmerica, aka Sam Wilson, played by Anthony
Mackie. I really like Anthony Mackie as an actor.We've talked about him before. You know, he's

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a really well-trained alumni of Juilliard. There'sreally nothing he can't do performance-wise.
So it kind of makes me wish that they wouldactually do more with the character of Sam
Wilson to have Anthony Mackie show more of hisrange, like really put him through the wrinker
emotionally. But I think that Mackie... definitelyshowed he has the presence to lead his own
film as Captain America. I think he proved thathere. Yeah, like I said, Sam Wilson is a great

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character. I don't think he quite has the presenceand charisma of Chris Evans' Steve Rogers,
but I'm not going to say that Anthony Mackieis a bad actor because he is phenomenal, especially
as Sam. His main motivation in this movie wasto exonerate Isaiah Bradley from prison, a
man who he knew spent most of his life alreadywrongfully incarcerated. and who was a big

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influence in his decision to take up the shield.This go-round was less about Sam proving himself
worthy like it was in the Falcon and the WinterSoldier series, but this was more about doing
what he thought was right by the people aroundhim as Captain America does. Albeit, you know,
without the super soldier serum, which was abig part of his arc in that as he tells Joaquin

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at the end of the movie, when you're normal,you just have to try that much harder, be under
that much more pressure, and push yourself.to be almost perfect in order to carry that
mantle, to stand shoulder to shoulder with Norsegods and Jade giants. You know, that kind of
thing seemed effortless for Steve Rogers, butto continue his legacy, you know, you do what

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you have to do. I really like that, and I thinkit's inspiring to the everyman. Like you don't
need a super soldier serum to be a hero. Youjust need to strive for your best self. And
a jet pack doesn't hurt. Yeah, jet pack. withvibranium wings that can absorb kinetic energy
and then release it explosively, that also doesnot hurt. Can I say that I understand the reasoning

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of why they gave him the vibranium kinetic absorptionwings, but I also just hated that he had those?
I agree, I totally agree actually. You know,in the comic books, the wings were a gift from
Black Panther, but the whole kinetic absorptionand releasing was really unique to the character

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of Black Panther. And I think that giving thatability to Sam Wilson kind of makes Black Panther
less unique, right? I don't think he neededhim. I think he was cool enough without that.
Even like at the very beginning with the openingaction scene, which in my opinion was the best
action scene in the film with the sonic boom,that was so cool. Yeah, that sonic boom was

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fucking bad ass. I mean, the vibranium doesexplain why he can do a straight nose dive
from, you know. 3000 feet in the air onto theground without breaking his ankles or turning
into a pile of jelly because you have that absorptionI didn't mind that I am wondering what kind
of upgrades they're gonna give the Black Panthersuit the next time we see him though Or her

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as Shuri in order to make Black Panther justthat much cooler, right? It's not like everything
that's vibranium needs to have that same kindof kinetic discharge. It's not like cap shield
ever had that Exactly, exactly. It was somethingthat was a unique technology that Shuri developed
that she incorporated into Black Panther's costume.And then it seems later on into Falcon's costume.

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What did you think of the blue suits comparedto his white suit? Personally, I actually like
Sam Wilson's white suit more because I thinkit pops more visually and it's more accurate
to his longstanding Captain America costumefrom the comic books. All right. I'm indifferent.
I don't know. I am really glad, though, thatthey ditched the awkward cowl. from the Falcon
and the Winter Soldier series, which was a goodcall, yeah. The blue suit works too. You know,

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the Wakandans, they have good fashion sense,obviously. Let's go ahead and move on to Red
Hulk, AKA Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross, who wasplayed by Harrison Ford. Now I am not about
to shit on a legend like Harrison Ford. Youknow, the guy is fucking Han Solo and Indiana
Jones and his influence on these genre filmsin sci-fi, adventure, and even political thriller

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as Jack Ryan. can't be understated. The guyis an icon. That said, I kept wondering how
his lines would have been delivered by WilliamHurt, who really came to define the role of
Thunderbolt Ross for me through films like TheIncredible Hulk and Captain America Civil War
and briefly in Infinity War. No, I agree 100%.Honestly, this film, as much as I hate to say

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this, kind of made me wish that Harrison Fordwas cast as the character from the get-go.
Yeah, yeah, because I don't think he was badas Thunderbolt Ross. He certainly was a different
kind of Thunderbolt Ross, you know, a littlebit less intense, I think, than William Hurt,
maybe a little bit more grounded. At times,it kind of seemed like Harrison Ford was winking

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at the camera in a self-aware sense in his performance.But I really think he sold the more vulnerable
aspects of Thunderbolt Ross, especially whenit came to Betty, like when she called him
and when she visited him in the raft, like.Harrison Ford's performance almost had me in
tears at those points. I suppose it was definitelya much more sentimental version of the character

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than we've seen in the past. And it kind oftook me by surprise. I didn't love his arc,
I would say. There was one scene that he gotin this movie that I thought was like truly
explosive, like William Hurt's version of thecharacter, like the comic book character. And
that was during the newsreel that was playedat the beginning of the movie. about Thunderbolt's

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transition from being a general into a president.And we got this clip of Thunderbolt Ross with
the mustache. And he threw down this podium.And I don't know if you're like trying to lip
read what he was saying, but I was laughingmy ass off because he was like, I don't know
what the fuck you're talking about. And justseeing Harrison Ford kind of chew the scenery,

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it seemed like he was ad libbing with all thesecurse words and shit. It was hilarious. I was
laughing. I swore and I saw him say stupid fuckingquestion. Yeah, I think that was what he said.
That was great. He looked great there. I kindof wish he would have kept the mustache. Yeah,
but you know, Red Hulk doesn't have a mustache,so they had to lose it for the movie, I guess.
And I think that's a mistake, too. Red Hulkneeds the stash. You think? Absolutely. He

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has it currently in the comic book, so who knows?The Red Hulk was not entirely what I expected
in this movie. You know, he wasn't 100% faithfulto the comics. You know, he didn't retain Ross's
mind. I couldn't really make out whether ornot he actually had his heat powers. Like there
were times where Hila would like a grab a carand it was on fire, but it wasn't clear whether
or not the car was on fire because of his heatpowers. Like I remember Ross sweating during

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his transformations, but that could also berationalized that it wasn't due to him being
hot. It was like due to the stress. I didn'tget the impression that he had his heat powers
in this movie. I think they tried to do homagesto that of sorts in this film, like having
him surrounded by fire. But yeah, I felt likewe were kind of cheated of that, especially
because in one of the trailers, when his handis turning into the Hulk's, like it leaves

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this trail of like burning ash. And that wascut from the film. Yeah, I didn't appreciate
that. Maybe they thought that it would requireexposition on behalf of general audiences.
So they just decided to leave it on the cuttingroom floor. But I think that was a mistake,
because if he doesn't have his heat powers,then literally he's just a palette swapped
version of the Hulk. You should have 100% gonethat route. And this film had so much exposition

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anyway, all it would have taken was a singleline to justify it. This film actually turned
out completely different from how I thoughtit was going to turn out because I thought
they were introducing adamantium because lateron in this film, the leader was gonna use it
in some way to become a leader of the world.And that the only thing that was going to take
down his muscle was an adamantium weapon consideringits high melting point. It was something that

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could defeat the Hulk. without him melting it.You were reading way too much into the adamantium
thing than was necessary. Adamantium is notthat big of a plot point within this film and
it didn't need to be. Should have been. I don'tthink your ideas of what could have made this
movie better detracts from the quality of thefilm as it exists. Now that's not the claim
you've made in past reviews because you've saidthat if you could imagine a film can be better

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or more closer to the comics or something likethat, then you degrade that film. Because if
someone like you could come up with this greatidea and the writers couldn't, it shows that
the film could have been better, should havebeen better, but it just wasn't. Yeah, I do
that for bad films for which it's necessary.This is one of those films. This is absolutely
one of those films. This is not a bad film.Could have been better. It didn't need to be

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done. That's like saying, oh yeah, then BruceBanner shows up and fights the Red Hulk alongside
Captain America. It's like, sure, yeah, youcan say that. But there are definitely reasons
why these choices were made for this particularfilm, which happened to be good. Yeah, budget.
No, I don't think so. Absolutely. No, it wasimportant for Sam Wilson to stand up to the
Red Hulk on his own. I think it was a definingmoment for the character's growth and career.

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I think if they could have afforded Mark Ruffalofor this film, they could have brought him
on. They would have brought him on. I don'tthink they would have. He's not necessary for
the story that they're trying to tell here.Let's go ahead and move on to the leader, played
by Tim Blank Nelson. Now if you remember fromour Incredible Hulk review, I'm a fan of Tim
Blake Nelson as an actor but I did not enjoyhis performance as Samuel Stearns in that movie.

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Thankfully, none of his character's cartoonishdopiness survived his time in prison apparently
because he was much more subdued here and cunningand more of what I hoped for from a criminal
mastermind like the leader. His power set waslargely depicted in his near precognitive ability
to determine the probabilistic outcomes of events,which I think is more believable with this

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character than with characters like Baron Zemoor Lex Luthor, where they were almost precognitive
in their ability to manipulate events in CaptainAmerica Civil War and Batman vs Superman Dawn
of Justice. You know, here, the leader is likea gamma-irradiated mutate, and he should have
borderline precognitive abilities to determineevents. He also developed neurotropic mind

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control technology and medicinal yet gamma irradiateddrugs. I thought it was a pretty sufficient
demonstration of his power potential and I waspleased with his characterization. I do really,
really like what they did with the leader here.I don't love his motivation, it seemed kind
of petty, but everything else I loved from theway they interpreted his mind control to the

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look of the character. I thought was stellar.Yeah, yeah, regarding his motivation, I was
wondering, like, why was he so angry and vengefulwith Thunderbolt Ross for not releasing him
from prison when he could have seemingly soeasily escaped on his own at any time? Like,
he had mind control tech, and we saw him escapeprison in this movie. He could have easily

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done that and arranged for Ross to be killedonce he was on the outside, with probably a
much less convoluted plan than what he had here.You know, yes, he wanted Ross to suffer and
to be humiliated. And that was definitely hisdownfall in this movie because it just got
way too complicated. And I think a guy as smartas the leader wouldn't have needed to wait

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to be released by President Ross in the firstplace. It also didn't make sense to me why
he literally turned himself in at the end. Like,the Falcon didn't even need to defeat him.
He turned himself in for no reason. For sure.For sure. Absolutely no reason. You know, he
was upset with Sam for stopping his grand planat Celestial Island But like he didn't need

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to confront the guy face to face, you know Hecould have just given him a phone call and
been like fuck you my plan isn't over There'sstill things to come for President Ross and
you'll see in a moment, you know Yeah, yeahstill leaked the phone call and everything
so dumb so dumb again that said I don't wantto shit on the character Too much the writing
was bad but the character I thought was awesome.The character was what Hector Hammond should

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have been in the Green Lantern movie. Yeah,I mean, like regarding his look, they could
have easily gone the giant forehead route thatthey did in the Green Lantern movie with Hector
Hammond. I'm really glad that they didn't dothat though, because I've always been a fan
of the inside out brain look of the leader morethan the giant forehead look, which I think
looks kind of cartoonish and dopey. Although,you know, sometimes with the inside out brain

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look, the artists will render their brain hemispherestoo far apart and it looks like he has a wrinkly
green scrotum on his head. But I think whatthey did here with the character in his design
was pretty grounded and definitely not cartoony.So that was good. It was kind of grotesque,
you know? Yeah, for sure. And if I haven't saidthis, Tim Blake Nelson is a phenomenal actor.

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I love what he did with the character here.And I actually do hope we get to see the character
return. I'm actually glad they didn't kill himoff in this film. Yeah, me too. I want to see
Bruce Banner interact with him. Oh, yeah. Yeah,that'd be awesome. Let's go ahead and move
on to Falcon, aka Joaquin Torres, played byDanny Ramirez. I thought Danny Ramirez was
fine here. As we saw in the Falcon and the WinterSoldier series, you know, he's a charismatic

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actor, if not still growing as an actor, I think.But in most ways, he was the heart of this
film, in that he really looked up to these heroeslike we all do, and strived to be like them,
and was really down on himself when he didn'trise to the occasion. I thought this character
sucked. What? The actor, I don't think, dida good enough job. keeping up with the performances

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of the people he was on the scenes with. Hisdialogue was just terrible as well. I thought
he had some fun moments. Like at the beginningof the film when he was like super excited
that he retrieved the adamantium container andhe was like, what? No one, no one saw that?
Dumb. Like to do something that cool and haveno witnesses, I think I would feel pretty similarly.
It was silly. It was silly nonsense. Marveltrying to be funny with the comedy relief.

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It was just not good though. I thought it wasfunny. But the character was never so ingratiating
that I thought he was beyond being killed offor anything. I thought that was good. That
there were still some stakes there. Becausefor a second I thought he actually was dead
after the missile explosion. And my mind waslike, that would suck. So I think my feelings
in that moment kind of informed my feelingsfor the character overall. I'm glad he survived

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and I'm excited to see where he goes in thenext Avengers film. I wish he was dead. I just
hope that they don't splice him with FalconDNA like they did in the comic books. You know,
they could have done that in this movie wherehis body was so mangled from the explosion
that they had an infused Falcon DNA in there.He just gets bitten by a radioactive Falcon.
There you go. No, I didn't need this character.I would have much rather seen Falcon have like

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a romantic interest type sidekick in the sameway that Cap did in the Winter Soldier. Who
is his romantic sidekick? Sharon Carter? Well,there is Sharon Carter and Black Widow. Yeah,
I guess in this movie, Ruth Batsaraf definitelydid not fit that bill. Let's talk about her,
AKA Sabra, although they never called her Sabrahere, played by Shirah Haas. Really weird casting

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choice, in my opinion. For sure. Like, I'venever seen Shirah Haas in anything before,
but I was not a fan. Like, I didn't find herbelievable at all as a former black widow trained
by the Red Room. I'm fairly certain that her5'2", 100 pound soaking wet ass couldn't take
down a toddler. I'm not entirely sure that wasn'ta toddler on the screen. She was so tiny. Dude,

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seriously, they got like a fourth grader tobe your stunt double. I'm being harsh for sure,
but like, I don't know, I've never been a biggestfan of Sabra from the comic books and I didn't
really like this character in the film. I thinkit would have been cooler to see someone like
Valerie Cooper in this role because I thinkshe'd get a tie it into the X-Men down the
line or something. Valerie Cooper, who's that?She's like a longstanding governmental liaison

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in the comics dealing with superhuman, largelymutant affairs. If I was the filmmakers, I
would have just merged the characters of SamWilson's Secret Service agent friend and Sabra
into one character. That would actually makesense. Yeah, the Secret Service friend of his
was named Lila Taylor, and she's a reporterfor the Daily Bugle in the books. Also Sam

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Wilson's friend. She's like his Lois Lane, kinda.She like breaks stories and gets into trouble
and stuff like that. I thought she did a betterjob acting than Shira Haas did. I would agree.
Yeah, I think that's a good call to have thosetwo characters merged because then you could
have had like a romantic relationship too aswell. There you go. If she was given more screen
time. It writes itself. Let's go ahead and moveon to Isaiah Bradley played by Carl Lumbly.

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Carl Lumbly is great here. When I was lookingup his... Filmography, I didn't know he has
done a lot of DC voice roles including likeMarsha Manhunter. Oh, yeah and Silas Stone
I thought his performance was pretty great here.He was super sympathetic You know, especially
when he was telling Sam that he couldn't goback to prison. Oh, yeah I thought Carl gave

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probably the most believable performance inthis movie and that I felt sorry for him But
I also believed that he could kick all kindsof ass because the guy is massive. He's huge.
Yeah I love the character of Isaiah Bradleyand I think Carl Lumpy does a perfect job portraying
him. He was just perfect in the role, absolutely.I was surprised that we didn't see his nephew

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Eli in this movie because he was in the Falconand the Winter Soldier series. And Eli is kind
of a big part of the Young Avengers, which they'recurrently setting up with Ms. Marvel and Kate
Bishop's Hawkeye. Although I heard that they'regoing to call that project the Champions instead
of Young Avengers in order to protect the Avengersbrand. Like I would have actually loved to

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have seen Sam Wilson form the Young Avengers.Why? Because he's a good mentor. I can see
that. And bringing Eli aboard. Yeah. Maybe they'llstill go that route. We'll see. That does it
for all the characters I want to discuss, though.So let's go ahead and move into our story highlights.

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Former General and Defense Secretary ThunderboltRoss wins his bid for presidential election
and gives a speech about ushering an era ofpeace together. Five months later, Sam Wilson
as Captain America infiltrates a church in Oaxaca,Mexico where the Serpent Society holds hostages
while awaiting a buyer for their adamantiumsample stolen from the Japanese. Serpent's
leader, Sidewinder, escapes while Cap fightsCopperhead, and Joaquin Torres recovers the

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adamantium as the new Falcon. Wait, Copperhead,that's who he fought? Yeah, that guy was Copperhead.
And another cameo, the leader of the Navy Sealswho barges in after that fight against Copperhead.
His name is Dennis Dumphy and that is D-Manfrom the comic books, the Avenger D-Man, Demolition
Man, as he's also known. Where the stinky guy?Yeah, the stinky guy. Oh, they killed D-Man

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in this movie? Yeah, which is a shame. He gothis own Lego film recently, which I still have
yet to see. but it really makes me want to gowatch that now. You know, I'm not a huge fan
of D-Man, but it is kind of a nice Easter egg.No, I actually love that Easter egg. That was
great casting too. Yeah, he looks just likehim, huh? Totally. I think the fight against
Copperhead, as I stated earlier, really servedas a great contrast between the type of Captain

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America that Sam Wilson is in comparison toSteve Rogers. Yeah, I think Steve Rogers would
have destroyed that guy in like three seconds,but with Sam, he gets stabbed like six times.
We'll say twice. We'll say he gets stabbed twice.He still brought the guy down. And you know
what? If that guy had a jetpack, it would havebeen over like that. Okay. President Ross visits

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his wife's grave and laments losing touch withhis daughter Betty, promising to change. Sam
takes Joaquin to Baltimore to train with IsaiahBradley, a Korean war veteran and test subject
in the government's efforts to recreate thesuper soldier serum. Isaiah objects to Sam
working with President Ross when he gets invitedto a but he accompanies Sam and Joaquin to

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the event. At the White House, President Rossasks Sam to reform the Avengers, and during
his speech, he announces a treaty between theUS, India, France, and Japan to govern the
mining and worldwide distribution of adamantium,a new element discovered from the emergence
of Tiamat the Celestial, which the world nowcalls Celestial Island. When the song Mr. Blue

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plays, Isaiah suddenly shoots at the president,along with several other secret service guards.
Sam and the Secret Service chase Isaiah downand he denies knowledge of the attack. I thought
it was really cool that they had Sam trainingwith a super soldier and a former Captain America
like Isaiah Bradley. I thought that was perfect.I loved seeing him training with him. Yeah,

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it was good foreshadowing to have that likebeast of a man try to hit Sam and like missing.
Considering that at the end of the movie Samwould be going up against the Hulk. He was
a lot bigger and stronger But you know therewas at least precedent there that they had
established that Sam's really good at dodging.Yeah, he's really agile I really liked the
Easter egg that they had with the mr. Blue songthe trigger song. Oh, yeah That was a nice

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shout out that I hope fans spotted because mr.Blue was Samuel Stern's alias while he was
corresponding with mr. Green who was Bruce Bannerfrom the Incredible Hulk film Yeah, exactly.
While they were trying to develop a cure forhim. I noticed that I thought that was really
cool. Believing that Isaiah was manipulatedinto attacking the president, Sam approaches

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Ross in his presidential bunker, asking to investigatethe matter. Believing that Sam lacks objectivity,
Ross tells him to stand down and instead assignshis security advisor, Ruth Batsaraf, to the
case. Sam visits Isaiah in prison, who is convincedhe'll now die behind bars. While discussing
the investigation with Joaquin on a call, Samis attacked by Sidewinder, who reveals the

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false buyer calculated where Sam would be. Samdefeats Sidewinder and has him arrested. Did
you think it was weird that they didn't havethe line from the trailer when President Ross
tells them you're no Steve Rogers and Sam respondswith you're right, I'm not? I can see why they
used it in the marketing and maybe they meantto include it in the film, but I can understand
why they left it out of the movie because itwas kind of like President Ross's final word,

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you know. If Sam had contended that he's not,then I feel like it would have furthered the
argument discussion when really all that wassaid needed to be said at that point. It really
made me wonder like what else was cut from thisfilm and how drastically it was changed and
reshoots, because we know that Kevin Feige didhave to come in and retool this movie. Yeah,
initially it didn't test well. So they switchedsome things up. I don't know. I couldn't tell

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you how much was cut. The Sidewinder attackwhen it happened in the street scene. scared
the shit out of me. Like I was not anticipatingit. I jumped out of my seat because it was
just so sudden, like a car accident almost.I thought the actor Giancarlo Esposito absolutely
nailed the role, though. Do you know what Samwas pouring on the batteries to make them like
emit that acid cloud? It looked like it wasbleach or something like that. I don't know.

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All I know is that it looked toxic as hell.And I wouldn't have wanted to breathe any of
that in or fight in that location. I did thinkit was badass, though, when he put up the smoke
screen. and then threw the dagger into Sidewinder'schest and then drop kick the shit out of him
into the car windshield. Yeah, both of themgot stabbed like six times. What is up with
you and getting stabbed six times? Are you tryingto tell me something? Yeah, Sam got stabbed

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like six times. Overall, through the courseof the movie, maybe. Yeah, for sure here. President
Ross learns that the Japanese are backing outof his treaty and that Samuel Stearns, whom
Ross kept imprisoned was behind the assassinationattempt. Ruth witnesses Stern use guards at
Isaiah's prison to kill the would-be assassins,except for Isaiah who was put in solitary confinement.

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Sam has Joaquin trace a call from Sidewinder'sphone to Camp Echo 1, where they investigate
and find Samuel Sterns, who uses mind-controlledprison guards to attack the pair and cover
his escape. In trying to find the words to describethe leader's mind-control technology, I stumbled
upon an article written by the New York Timesand another one by IGN that a group of South

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Korean scientists discovered that they can usestrobing lights to turn on and off brain cells
in the human mind and they use it as a way totreat neurological disorders. But theoretically,
it could also be used in this weird mind controlway. Oh, thanks. I am now terrified of YouTube.

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Yeah, yeah. New Fear Unlocked. I guess it wouldexplain why you're not a huge fan of this movie,
because you've been mind controlled by too muchtelevision. I think that makes sense now. I
can't even deny it. I don't know if that's true.It could be true. President Ross flies to Tokyo
to convince the Japanese prime minister to signthe treaty, but the PM provides evidence that
Ross ordered the theft of Japan's adamantiumsample. Sam meets with Navy SEAL Dennis Dumphy

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to interrogate Sidewinder and learns that theleader hired the Serpent Society through the
CIA. in an effort to destroy Ross's reputation.Sam and Joaquin shut down Stern's mind control
tech, but not before he gets two US pilots toattack the Japanese fleet in the Indian Ocean
near Celestial Island. Sam and Joaquin rendezvouswith President Ross, who orders Sam and Joaquin

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to intercept the mind controlled pilots. Theymanage to subdue them in a dogfight, convincing
the Japanese to stand down, though Joaquin iscritically injured. My favorite part of the
dogfight. was when Sam used Red Wing to holdthe Captain America shield. So it provided
protection from behind as Sam was being chasedby the pilot. I thought that was fucking awesome.

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I giggled like a little kid with Glee when Isaw that. Yeah, Red Wing just continues to
be one of the coolest characters in the MCU,I would argue, a drone character that you could
like communicate with. That's just awesome.Drones are dope. As much as I love Red Wing
from the comic books. you know, an actual falcon.The adaptation of him as a drone in these movies

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is too damn cool to shit on. I even like howthey used him in the final battle against the
Hulk as like a ongoing distraction, shootinghim with lasers and bullets at the same time.
Yeah, like flashbangs, that was really cool.Yeah, yeah. I want a red wing. So do I. Ross
reveals to Sam that he made a deal with Stearnsto have him cure his heart condition in exchange

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for a release from prison. but then renegedon the deal out of fear that he would stop
making his heart medication, and that Stearnswas seeking revenge for that. Sam questions
himself while visiting Joaquin at the WalterReed National Medical Center, but is reassured
by Bucky, who's running for Congress, and assertsto Sam that he's upholding Steve's legacy well.
It was kind of wild to me that Bucky was toobusy running for Congress to help out his friend.

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Well by that point there was nothing to helpwith in that exact moment. It was kind of like
the situation was resolved at that point. eventhough the leader was still out there, but
you know, Ross hadn't turned into the Red Hulkyet. And we hadn't had the second climax by
that point. Do you think that felt tacked onthen? No, I don't think so. Does Bucky run
for Congress in the comics? No, not to my knowledge.No, he doesn't start a political career or

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anything. So this is pretty unique to the movies.You know, it does seem like he eventually goes
back to being a superhero though, as we'll seein the upcoming Thunderbolts movie. So I don't
know if... He's like a superhero congressman,or if he loses his election, or what happens
there. That's kind of weird, I feel like. Yeah,a little bit. We'll see where it goes. Back
in Washington, President Ross gets a phone callfrom his daughter Betty before going to the

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White House lawn for a press conference aboutthe treaty. Stearns visits Sam at the Medical
Center to admonish him for ruining his plansregarding the treaty and is apprehended, but
warns that Ross is still in danger. During thebriefing, audio is played over the speakers
of Ross' call with Stearns, implicating himin his dealings with the villain. Enraged,

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Ross turns into the Red Hulk and Sam flies into stop him. Red Hulk destroys much of the
White House before Sam can take the battle firstto the Washington Monument and then Hanes Point
at the Cherry Blossom Grove. Though Sam getshis suit destroyed, he uses his counseling
skills to appeal to the Red Hulk's love forhis daughter, Betty, represented by the cherry
blossom trees, and Ross reverts to his humanform. As much as you hate that moment, I really

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liked the line during the fight, when Sam waslike, Bucky's line was bullshit. I should have
taken the serum. Yeah, that was the funniestline of the whole movie I thought. What I don't
understand is why when the Red Hulk arrivedin the cherry blossom Grove, his D transformation
didn't work then. And Sam was like, dang it,I thought this was gonna work or something
like that. And then all of a sudden, for somereason, it did work just at this random moment.

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You're not wrong. Sam did try to appeal to Ross'slove for his daughter when he first brought
him into the cherry blossom Grove. It wasn'tuntil after he like detonated all of that kinetic
energy into the Red Hulk that he kind of stunnedthe creature. And then for some reason, it
worked, I think maybe because he was able tostun the creature and kind of brought him out

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of that rage that he was finally able to getthrough to him, because I don't think Red Hulk
was listening the first time. But he wasn'teven stunned. Like he got up and he was still
angry. He was still Red Hulk. I think he wasa little bit stunned. Like that's a lot of
kinetic energy that those wings absorbed. Debatable.How is that debatable? That he was stunned.

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Oh. I mean, that's what you have to go with.I refuse! Don't be a stubborn asshole. Sam
visits the prison where Isaiah is exoneratedand freed, and then visits Ross in the Raft
Prison where it's revealed that though the AdamantiumTreaty was ratified, Ross took responsibility
for his actions and resigned as president. Hisdaughter Betty also stops by to visit him.

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Sam then visits Joaquin in the hospital wherehe reassures him that though it can feel like
you have to be perfect as a hero, it's moreabout doing your best. He invites him to join
the New Avengers. In a post-credit scene, theleader tells Sam that he has calculated that
a war between worlds is coming. Which was supervague, like super safe. I didn't love it. I

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especially didn't love the dialogue. See, thisis a joke. No joke from you. I would think
would be funny because you. hurt people. I don'tknow, something stupid like that. I do think
it's good that, you know, how many movies arewe into the multiversal saga? And it seems
like outside of Spider-Man and Doctor Strange,no one really on Earth even seems to know about

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the multiverse. So as a concept, the multiversalthing seems late to the party. But Leader's
statement was a good way, I think, to get theball rolling, at least with the new Avengers
team that's going to be formed.
or other people in their universe, like incursions.Other people in other worlds that they would

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have to be fighting. So like villains in otheruniverses. Okay. And maybe specifically he
was even talking about Dr. Doom or Kang sincewe don't know what's happening with that officially
yet. I would have loved a mid credit scene.I think as Devin Davis, one of our executive
producers stated, it was strange to have twoof Hulk's big villains in a movie and not have

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the Hulk himself show up at least once. That'swhat I was saying earlier. No one listens to
what you say ever. I'm saying the movie wouldhave been better with the Hulk cameo. And sure,
make it mid credits, that's fine. I think overallthe movie was good. I really liked it. I enjoyed
my time in the theater and I think it livedup to my expectations. The film admirably coheres

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some of the Marvel's best continuity while deliveringon, you know, political thriller elements that
we expect from the Captain America franchise.In all, I'm giving it 4 stars out of 5 and
giving it a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes.I disagree. I don't think it's 4 stars. I think
there's problems with the whole continuity consideringa lot of people haven't done their homework.

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That's not my concern. I think there are problemswith the action. I think there were problems
with the villains in the story and the way bothof them were defeated. I think there was problems
with the... the acting and the editing and thedirection and the budget. I do not think this
is a four star film. I think it's a three starfilm, maybe three and a half, but definitely
not a four. And yet you gave the Flash fourand a half stars. OK, OK. Hey, hey, I'm sorry.

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I was young and immature and I changed my ways.I don't think you have. I don't think you have.
But let us know what you guys thought aboutthe movie. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanks
for listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show'swebsite at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on
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Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website.Don't forget to listen to the other shows in
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In our next episode, we are doing a team duelbetween Darksides elite. So like Calaback and

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Granny Goodness and Dasad and Steppenwolf againstThanos's Black Order, which you may recall
from the Infinity War films. Right. Yeah, it'speople like Ebony Maw, Corvus Glaive, Proxima
Midnight. It's Thanos's team versus Darksidesteam. And this was a battle chosen by our executive
producers. And I'm really interested in a rematchbetween Darkseid and Thanos. If you guys haven't

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listened to that Duel episode, definitely checkthat out before listening to next week's. But
that does it for this episode. We wanna givea big thanks to our executive producers, Ken
Johnson, John Strausky, Zachary Hepburn, DustinBalcom, Miggy Mathagean, Brandon Estregarden,
Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wieselowski,AJ Dunkerley, Nick Ibbonto, Scott Camacho,

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Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Dean Molesky, DevinDavis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh Leiner, Mike Williams,
and Oscar Galvez for helping make this podcastpossible. We'll talk to you guys next week.
Up up and away, true believers.