February 12, 2026 • 48 mins
The Cowboys can fix their defense … if they want to. That is, if the team is willing to spend in free agency. The hiring of Christian Parker showed a change in thinking. Will that trend continue in free agency? Or could lengthy negotiations with George Pickens again wreck the whole offseason plan? Because if the Cowboys don’t indeed do things different, things could get worse.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sideline.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
This he's hanging with the Boys now.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Shannon Thursday look alive at the top of a tent
on Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Ford Center at the Star
in Frisco, Texas, where it is sixty seven degrees, the
(00:50):
highest seventy one, the low is forty seven.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
He's Shannon, this is Natey and we're just gonna chat.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
We're just gonna chat.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
So I don't know him. May want to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, still doing a good job. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The tint the view of the tent is because they
got a little tennis going on.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Big tennis, big time.
Speaker 7 (01:18):
Yeah, it's a very bustling Star district.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Whenever I came in and had lunch today, a lot
of folks out here walking around.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
What we had lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I went over to uh little pizza joint over Connie Rosa.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
Right here.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
They have a pizza called the the PBR Pepperoni Brisket
and then it has Holo pinos and barbecue sauce drizzled
on top of it. That one might be one of
the best pizzas.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
I've ever had. Thanks for inviting us.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh, I had lunch with my old office mate Jason Kettle.
So it was it was a one on one.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, that was good. What did he have?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
He had the honey bastard?
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Okay? And what is that Britain that I didn't I
didn't ask.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
I'm sure it has honey on it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, fellas what I wanted to say this man, the
super Bowl for me, that was that was that was
a doozy. I loved it, and I know it hurt
fantasy football fans all.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Over the world.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
I knew you were gonna like, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah yeah, fantasy not mine. But I loved it. I
love how this game was played. I love how the defense.
I love how the offensive struggled.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
You know, how they ran the ball how.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I love how even the Vrabel, the losing coach, stuck
with his guns. He tried to get his team going.
I love what's up, Jay, What's up? I loved where
this game was played. And since we're here, we're gonna
we're gonna do this thing, right, Jesse, he just stepped there.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Let's me go.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
You are looking live and poor ugly dudes on the TV.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
It's sixty seven degrees outside. The high is seventy one,
yes or four, and the low is forty seven.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, Shinn, That is Nate in the back of Chris
b and keep his live and local. This is Kurt
one pump dance because get you a fine Yeah. As always,
I'm your boy. Salt and Pepper Poppy. Together we make
hanging with the boys the sports talk equivalent the braille people.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
When we speak, when you stop? Is he welcome to
the show?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Jess welcome, Jess welcome. We stalled.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What do do people be? It's twelve o'clock on a Thursday.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
Why is it Jesse needs a helicopter sponsor of everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That Why is there traffic?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
You know they called his boy Jay, mister Jones, mister.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Jo don't work around here. Get the chopping through the chopper.
I don't know. There's always traffic in Dallas somewhere. God,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Going thirty five. It was traffic going toll way, I'm like, goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Gracious, it's like New York on the right hand side,
California on the left hand side, depending on.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
How it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Rain in New Orleans is raining somewhere in the city
at every point of the day. But there's always traffic
somewhere in Dallas. It's just so if you're on the
road that the traffic is on or not. We're glad
you made it.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Here, we were just talking about the super Bowl. Nate
was talking about how he loved it. Everybody that I
knew was like, man, that was a terrible super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I was like, what about that Halftoph, We'll get.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
We'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
By the way, Kurt, did you know Green Day was
playing before?
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I did not even know it. I turned the TV
and I was.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Like, what what is this?
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Yeah? A lot of variety in the music selections? Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
What's how top show did you watch?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
I watched Bad Bunny And by the way, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, I loved it Bad Bunny.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I turned it on and saw some sisters dancing. I'm like, okay,
they say, I ain't got the right channel. I just
turned away from it.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
So did you watch he's playing cool.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Honestly, I was not playing cornhole. I was playing pickleball.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Okay, wow, which one did you watch?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I can't rock one? Did you really?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
From a production standpoint, the reason why most Super Bowl
halftimes don't look good is because it's hard to fill
up a field and make it look good on a camera.
I thought they did a really good job of like
sectioning everything off and kind of from now in the stadium.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
I'm sure it looked terrible, but looking.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
At it visually, I thought they did a really good
job of keeping everything tight Cinematically. Couldn't understand a word
that was going on. I did not recognize a couple
of songs. I talked to a friend of mine that's
from Puerto Rico speak Spanish, still has family down there,
and said he had a hard time hearing the lyrics.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
So so, yeah, I thought it was good. I thought
it was interesting. And then I you know, and and
then and then.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Wunniest moment was the guys dressed up as trees. That's
the fun. That's what everybody's gonna remember this. The grass,
the grass, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I thought it was I thought it was good.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And then and then the little nuggets he had in
there with all the hidden celebrities and everything.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I need a video showing me who was what, yeah,
and all like the hidden meetings and who the famous
people were, because I was like, yeah, that person looks famous.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I had like a three I had like a three
minute debate on whether that was Lady Gaga or not.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
I was like, that kind of looks like her. And
when she danced, I was like, that's not lady Guys.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I had to go research the tattoo that was
on her arm, the trumpet on her arm. When you
go look on I was like, I said, lady got
got Lady got got tattoos, and sure enough, that was it.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
That was That's how you matched. I thought it was interesting.
I know you were trying to be messy, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I'm always that's always.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
What did you think about the game?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I I enjoyed it because it was different than most games,
and it kind of played out the way if you
stood back and looked at it. Drake may wasn't ready
for that game, Like he still needs any of them.
He still needs a.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Year or two.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
But you know, but I thought it was I thought
it was good.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
The thing for Drake May. And this is what people.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
It took this last and final game for a coach
to say, you know what, he ain't gonna run the ball.
We're gonna make him read the defense and we're gonna
bring this blitz. And he wasn't ready for it. He
wasn't ready for it. And uh, I just swummed my
hats off to Seattle and to Sam.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
He took a lot of heat all year.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Sam the quarterback, he took a lot of heat, and
uh and he got through it. I mean he made
He still made some tight throws. Both secondaries was playing
lights out, just one secondary just and that's New England.
He just couldn't hold up the running game. Just they
kept punching, that kept punching at them, so they finally
broke them down.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
But man, that is how I like to see football play.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Don't get me wrong. If we get a chance to
get an elite quarterback in there, all the better, all
the better.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
But I love when I see just back and forth,
back and forth. It got a little wicked in the
third quarter when New England just seemed like they just
couldn't get themselves together, But I loved it.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Why don't you just be honest and just say you
loved it because the kicker was the star of the game.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
The thing is, and since you brought that up, I
was hoping someone would this is what I envisioned for
our kicker. I would never back away from this. If
you got a dominant defense, your kicker can win a game.
Never with a dominant offense where your kicker win the game,
but with a dominant defense, your kicker is always set
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up to win the game.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I believe that with all my heart.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Great defenses put you in that position to keep you
either tied tied in a game or win a game.
And most times when he's just offense offense offense.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
You know, when there was twelve nothing after three quarters,
did you think the kicker was going to be the
m v P of the No no I discussion?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I kept saying to myself. I was like, I said,
one of us, either Sam Donald or Kenniff Murray, one
of them just needs a touchdown. Whoever gets a touchdown,
I'm sorry, kin Walker, excuse Keinn Murray. Kenneth Walker, dude, yeah, exactly,
Kenneth Walker. I said that I was sitting the older
guy and I was like whoever gets touchdown first, this
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is going to probably be your m v P. No
way they given it to a kicker That was never
going to happen.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I thought somebody on defense would get just because they
were so dominant. But one I guess there wasn't anybody
that really stood above out. I mean, they were.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
All really good.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It wasn't was the man two sacks. Yeah he was
good cause the interception blitz like seven times, and and
they find in the fourth quarter they finally blocked him.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
And I know Drake may probably looked over and said, Okay,
thank you. It's one of let's getting that because every
time you blitchy he put a hand on.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You know, the depressing part about the game when the
game was over and the celebrations ended, and you turned
the TV off and reality sets in and the excitement,
you know, the excitement from from Super Bowl Sunday, you know,
and the TV goes off, and just how far away.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
This defense is from being championship caliber defense. I mean,
can you that's probably gonna happen in every Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're gonna have two good or dominant defenses that are
going to cause you.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
To do.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You can't you can't play in that game with the
defense anywhere resembling what you can't score your way to
win on that slight lea.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Okay, The reason I'll pushback on that is it's far away.
If we continue at the route that we're going.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You can fix it. This is fix it right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You can fix this.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You fix this.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I mean, you know what, Patrits will.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Okay, go ahead, Let's take a break because this is
this is going to take up a whole seven because
I agree, I agree with you, very fixable, but you
gotta be willing to fix it, and you gotta change
your entire philosophy for the last twenty plus years. Let's
talk about what that is. When we come back, hang
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All right, if you missed the first segment, we were
talking about watching the game and how it was depressing
to realize how far away the Cowboys are on defense
to being able to get to a championship game. And
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Jesse said, yes, but Jesse thinks they can fix it.
How soon can they fix it?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And how as fast as they want to fix it.
As fast as they want to fix it, spend some money, right,
I mean, that's what Seattle did. Seattle was the number
four team in the National Football League and contracts spending
in free agency right, yes, drafting matters. They were number one,
The Patriots the number one, The Vikings were like number two,
and the Giants were number three, and you saw what
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they were defensively, right, But like you know, the Vikings
just made a bad deal thinking they had a better
quarterback than what they had. The Vikings would have had
Sam Donald, they probably would have won a lot more
games than they did last year with the defense that
they had, and the Giants they just again didn't have
a quarterback. Their defense was pretty good as well. This
is fixable. The problem is is the front office willing
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to spend differently in free agency. If Chris looked it
up for us in the back from March ninth to eleventh,
is the legal tampering when everybody's having the back door conversations,
March eleventh is when free agency opens. If they're not
in that first week of conversations, if they're waiting till
the second and third week of conversation, then we know
(15:30):
that they're I'm trying to change.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Don't God forbid if we staid talking about the third week,
it's over, y'all, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Like there's far too many needs on this defense right now.
Like the only thing that I am confident in saying
about this current Dallas Cowboys defense that I will say.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's Quinnin. That's it. I'm not willing to say any
other person definitively is a dog. And there are so
many gaps and holes that you have due to lack
of development, lack of drafting, lack of free agent signings,
that you have a ton to feel. You need corners,
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you need safeties, you need all the linebackers, you need
rush ins, you need a lot of players. And there's
a difference between trying to go out because Okay, cool
Mike is not here anymore. That's fine, that's not coming back.
And I know that there's a combination about another guy
that potentially can be a trade factor. We can't mention
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his name on this particular show today. But if you're
looking to change this thing, I'm not saying that you
need all pros at every position. The Seattle Seahawks didn't
have all pros at every position. The Patriots didn't have
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all pros at every position. But you need really good
players at all positions. Need you, Quinn is your A
plus player? Right?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
You need four more b You gotta gotta have some
bees out there.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You got you have to have some bees out there.
That's dog be four more of them, like you have
like starters. You have to have that, and so you
can easily change the fortune of what your defense was.
Now there's still we're still waiting on to see what
who and how Christian Parker will work out. I think
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I speak for the group when I say that we're
all hopeful. Yeah, like there's nothing that Like, we're way
more hopeful about Christian Parker than we were about Matti Ebraflus.
And we knew more about Matti Ebraflus than we did
about Christian Parker, right, And this is a guy who
hasn't called plays before, has been the understudy of some
good defensive coordinators Brian Flores, Vic Fangio, Vance Joseph and such.
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So we're all hopeful there in that process. If you
want to fix this, you can fix this. They have
to want to fix this, they have to want to
put themselves in position that when we get to training
camp next year, we're not still asking the question about, boy,
what is this defense going to be? Who's going to
be the starter?
Speaker 8 (18:08):
Is?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
How are they going to approach this thing? If we
get the training camp, we're still having that discussion.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
All right, let me ask you this because you and
I we talked about this a lot going back to
last year. There have been changes because we always talk
on the show how you know ownership is stubborn, and
how they're setting their ways and how it's the same old,
same old, and it's the same result. It's been changing
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a little bit over the last year with the hiring
of Schottenheimer, kind of the same home, you know, somebody
that maybe wasn't calling all the shots, but it seems
like things are being done a little bit different. Going
and getting the George Pickens, going and actually getting to
Quinn Williams when you didn't have to.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
You had to, you had to, but you didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You had to, you had to.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Why did you have to?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Because if they wouldn't have got.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It, they still they were still terrible.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Bruh, it's terrible, terrible. N you did that to say
the fan.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Base is why you did it to save.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Face with yourself. Yeah, you told the fan base that
the dude that you got in the trade was going
to be the run stopper that we've been looking for.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I'll get nothing to stop, nothing to give y'all that
we running had stopped. We had to, but we didn't
have to anyway, you went got quinnin. It seems like
you let your coach have a big saying who his
defensive coordinator was. Seems like you've let your defensive coordinator
pick and it's it's not a traditional Cowboys high right,
it's a non proven person that everybody else in the
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league's been doing. Hey, let's give this young guy from
this tree a shot. Right, You're letting him kind of
go get his own coaches and put his staff together.
Do you have any faith, Jesse, that things will be
done different this offseason with some things are changing, do
you you feel like some things will stay the same
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or this is kind of a global holistic like we've
been doing this for the last thirty years.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
With the same result insanity.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Do you think more things are gonna change and they're
gonna go spend money in free agency and they're gonna
do things a little bit different, or do you think
it's gonna be let down again in free agency and
on in the training camp and things like that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, there's thirty years of evidence I don't have.
I don't have much faith that they're gonna go out
and spend the free agency. I want to be wrong hopeful,
but I'm hopeful.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I think like maybe I'm drinking the kolid a little bit,
but I think the way they went about hiring Parker
was a big change. I mean they Jerry said and
recently that I mean, he was That's what I just said. Yeah,
he was counting on his own, you know, comfort level
with Zimmer and Quinn.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
And yeah, that's what I said. I said, this is
a new way of doing it.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
I just I don't think it's a little change.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think he's a big change.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
That was a big change. Now, whether it transfers into
the free agency, that's we all hope.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Let me tell him something, If we don't continue this trend,
you think terrible with it last year. If we don't
continue this trend change changing the way we do business,
you don't think you can get worse. I know it
can get worse because I was a part of the
one in whatevers three and whatever, it can get worse
(21:28):
seven games. Do say, do give your fan base Okay,
if we do one or two things listening and just
it can go it can go better. But don't let
them one of two things yes, to talk about and
then we'll be in there. Ah, we'll be doing another
drum beat to a different tune.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It can get worse if we don't do things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
If we wait till the third week of free agency
and say, oh, we got a great bargain, you know,
and we go into training camp with waiting on other
people rosters to get cut like we did last year
we had two starting corners where it was cut from
other teams on the street. If it can get worse,
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and if you can't see it can get worse. What
football game where you watch it?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm from Jersey by way of Missouri and showed me
you know what I'm saying, Like, I just, I just
have to I have to stand on that until you
show me differently.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Because what would make you change your mind? What would
make you think things are different?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Free agents that you actually go out and you play
for players like you go when you get top level
free agents, and you you, I don't. I want the
Cowboys to address issues the right way, like not band aids,
like go ahead and address it, go and get you.
(22:49):
You you tried to address it for the last let's
just talk about last year. You tried to address issues
last year with a bunch of guys of you know,
one year deals and hoping you strike old again with
these guys. And because they had to pass pedigree or
what word? Am I looking for traits that you've liked
in the draft five six years ago.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Building a team on potential.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And potential, go get guys, Go get and I say,
go get guys, but also go get guys who love
football because they are they're going to be necessary here.
Don't because every time you talk about Christian Parker and
I have I want Christian Parker to work so bad
for a number of reasons. But when you say what
(23:34):
he did in other places, I will point to the
players that he said that came out and spoke and
said how much he developed them, I would say Patrick's
are ten. The second was the number eight seven overall pick. Quinya.
Mitchell was a first round pick. Cooper de Gen was
a high second round pick. So I'm you know what
that tells me. He does wonders with players who have talent.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And more importantly, he does ones with players who want
to be good.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Right, So that's the difference, you know what I'm saying, like,
don't don't go get me, don't don't don't go get me.
Guys who who who don't love the game. Don't go
get me. Guys who just want what the game brings
to them. We had a lot of guys in this
organization who who love what the game has given them,
but don't love the game, don't put the work in
(24:19):
for the game, who want to come here and and
and live off the backs of Nate Newton and company
and live off those stripes and just get here and say,
oh well I made it. I'm a cowboy. And you
start having these unrealistic expectations about who you are, what
your game is, how you should be playing, all the
other kind of stuff. Nah, go get go, get some
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dudes to actually look at the backs of the players
that Nate Newton came along and says, no, no, no, no,
I want to be like that.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I want to earn it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I want to earn it like those dudes, did. I
don't want to just live off live off there there
there dynasty running the nineties. I want to start our own.
I want to be the guys who I tell you,
I say this all the time. I we were around
here long enough to know when practicing meetings ends. All
I gotta do is stand right there. There's I don't
know if if you guys have ever been to the
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Star before. If you haven't, there's tours through here all
the time. Come through. Okay. You can stand right here
outside of the studio at that window. And when the
day is done, see how many cars about get speeding
tickets leave it out of the parking lot. Who I
need a bunch of dudes in here who are spending
time learning and getting better in the game, who are
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breaking down film, working through things.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
You hear you.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I was listening to the sounds of the sideline for
the Seattle game, and uh, Jeremiah not Jeremiahla has to
running back. But the love who got the interception in
the game, and he was like, oh man, he dropped
on early in the game. He's like, oh man, I'm
on it.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
When he when he gets to that back foot and
he shoulders do this. I know the ball's coming, and
so he's waiting on it. Sure enough, boom interception. That's dude,
that's in the film room. Those are dudes who are
saying we're gonna master this thing so that when we
go out on the field on Sundays, we're out there
having fun because we got our tailtale signs, We got
our assignments down. We know where to be, how to be,
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who to be there with. Our communication is not fudged up,
our calls are not messed up. All that stuff comes
from the unit, the pack, willing to sit in there
and really take the game seriously. That's what the players
that you need to bring in here. I don't need
any more guys that you're gonna bring in here. That's like,
just love what the game brings them.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'll never forget I probably told you guys on the
show before I was given a tour. One night, seven
seven point thirty, after hours, had some VIPs in, walked
over to the football side. Everybody's gone, lights are off,
cleaning people around, and I walked up to the to
the top of the stairs where you know where the
team auditorium is and the defensive team meeting rooms are
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on the left, and a walk by Sean Lee's in
there by himself with the clicker, by himself, you know,
and I walked, I was, oh, sorry, sorry, Sean.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
He's like, oh, that's okay. Hey, hey guys, how are y'all?
Nobody else in there with him?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And I'm sure he did that every night, every night
he was in there, and that's why he was so
damn good.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Love the game, right, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Love the game?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All right, let's come back and talk about we need
a lot of collateral on defense?
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Where would you guys or how how are these conversations
from your point of view happening?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Now?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Where would you spend your do you pre determined because
free agency is before the draft?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Do you pre determine I'm going after free agents at
these positions and then I'm spending my draft collateral in
other ways?
Speaker 7 (27:48):
How does that conversation happen? And how would you guys
spend all that collateral? On the last segment of Hanging
with the boys, be right back.
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Speaker 7 (30:37):
That we have to spend collateral on the defense. Right,
you got.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Draft picks two, number one draft picks. You gotta go
spend some money in free agency. Where how are those
conversations being being.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Held on the other side of the building.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Do you identify like, Okay, we're going to because free agencies,
like we said, you got to be active the first week.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
To get the players. You need to fix this thing.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Do you do they already have guys like we're going
after this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy
and then we're gonna draft around that. Or do you
how does all that work?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You have the conversation of all right, cool, one of
our needs, right, what are we prioritizing? Is it in
linebacker corners?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Do you kind of do you kind of rank them
like this is we gotta go get a dog here?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Because you start you start playing, you start playing the
odds of what's available in free agency, what's available potentially
to come in your way in the draft, and then
what are we willing to spend in the budget, because
this is when it all comes down to, because because
I can say I want Shannon Gross and then all
of a sudden you hit free agency and Team A says, well,
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we're gonna give you X amount of dollars for X
amount of years, and the Cowboys go, what we had
for them? I mean, we didn't have that, We didn't
have that price for you. So now the player that
they didn't want, we wanted Shannon, but t A said
they were going to give it. Now A Cowboy was like, well,
so it's kind of a problood kind of like the draft.
You kind of have guys slotted like he he here's
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and here's here's what we're willing to pay for that,
give or take maybe you know, a million or two.
Here's probably what our terms would be for that. And
then this everything's up for negotiation, right, but you have
a you have a baseline of where you're willing to
pay for that player, and then you just kind of
go down the list of all right, well we lost him,
you know. But you're working on all this at the
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same time because when that when Francie opened, it's not like, Okay,
if Franci opens up for defensive linemen. No France opens
up for everybody, and so everybody has a need and
there's only one Shennon and there might be twelve teams
that are looking to have your services, feel need for
they having their team. So you you kind of and
this is the part with having that conversation, like, uh,
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we're being told us that nine through the eleventh is
where we have in this conversation, I'm I'm I'm on
the phone with agents, hey man thinking oh man, we're thinking, man,
we think it. We think of three for seventy five.
That's where we're at right now, three for seventy five.
And now you're like, okay, you know all right, Stephen Jerry,
three for seventy five when you think about that, too
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rich for our blood? Or let's do what if we
did four for this? So you know what I'm saying.
So those those tampering days when you're kind of hashing
out with all the different agents about where you sit,
and you might be able to say those first couple
of days, well I can already tell where they're at
right now today too rich froud blood. So you go
to you, let's pivot to the next guy that we
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talked to said agent. Said agent said they want this,
and he said they got a couple offers to get that.
Then cool, fine that we know we're not paying that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
And see.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Whereas this draft charices that slotted, you just paid the money.
You know, you figure out how you pay the money
it's slotted, but here it's not slotted. So if you're
a total free agent coming out of here in this
free agency, you know you set your number high.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You ain't never set there. I mean, you're really.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Going overboard hoping somebody will bite. So if you're if
you're for real, you know you're gonna pull an agent
to the side. Because some of these guys they are
friendly with some of them they're not. And so you know, hey, man,
we really like you. Got to come on shoot us
what's going on. Some agents that give it to you,
some won't. So you you got to you got to
go to work. You got to go to work. But
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more importantly, what's your What is the priority?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Is the priority?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Is defensive line?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Is the priority? Uh? Safeties? What is true to your priority?
Because that's where you got to be slotted the most.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Because you do not want to wait because every year
we're here and we'll all sit around here talking heads.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Well this guy, this guy that got off.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
But it's true.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
About a week and a half, all the top chier
game changes and a plus players that may hit free agency.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Let's just say, let's say linebackers. Your already with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
We need a stud a linebacker. Do you target multiple
guys in free agency to go after or do you
go we're drafting the best linebacker in the.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, you can't, because you don't know if you're gonna
be available.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah, you, so you address your highest needs.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You trust, you try to. You should try to dress
all your high knees in free agency so that when
you get to the draft as available player, now you
can go. Now your picture is clear, right because as
of today, you don't know what's gonna fall to you
at twelve. Right because right now you can say today
Fernando Mandolda is the only quarterbacks going on the top ten. Well,
somebody might say, you know what, Todd Simpson, we like him,
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and now he jumps in the top ten. Well that
pushes another player that you might not have thought I
had a chance at backup player. You know what I'm saying.
So now all of a sudden. That's how you end
up with Ceedee Lamb. When you know, when you're looking around,
you're saying, wait, WHOA we didn't we weren't going to
pick a receiver in the draft this year, but Ceede
Lamb fell at seventeen. We gotta take him. This guy's
we had n't rated this high in that draft, but
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the things gonna be there at seventeen eighteen whatever he was.
Now we got another receiver. So I think you address
everything in the free agency you can that you can,
and then now your picture is clear in the draft,
and then after the draft you try to you try
to now piece together whatever else you may not have gotten,
or that there may be some some more pieces out
there that come available to say, you know what, that's
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a good piece. We might want to a's a depth piece.
That's my piece we want to bring in and see
what how we can configure that into you know what
we want to do.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Free agent day, Chris, is what actual day that they
can sign the eleven day?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
That's a Tuesday, Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh I don't know, Well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Because I like to know that because if it's on
a Tuesday or Wednesday, we'll be able to come in
here because the top fifteen guys.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Gonna be March eleventh is a Wednesday, Okay, So when
we come in here we March twelfth, it's gonna be like,
hey man, you're just waiting on legal approval.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
These fifteen guys done signed.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So if we are not in here on March to
twelve talking about at least and we three four or
five guys, just like I told y'all, okay, yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Can we go?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Do they do they ask let me this? Do they
handcuff themselves because they take so long with these Now
you got the picking contract. Last year was Parsons here.
Before that it was Dak and LAMB. Before that it
was Dak again. I mean, they're waiting, waiting and waiting
to allocate all this money to their own or they're
hampering themselves by not the earlier.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Their minds were already shut down. The free agency, Like
just say, the history is we never and I'm talking
about collectively dot com, we never talk about free agency.
Just think for the last six or seven years, when
have we talked about free agency. It's been oh, we're
gonna sign da and so we talked right on through
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free agency about.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
When to sign da. Oh, we're gonna sign CD. So
we talked right on through free agency.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
This is the first year that you know that we
have concentrated and I know our group the other shows,
I don't know what they're doing, but this is the
first time we've said they got to do something different.
Now they went out and got the Parker they got
with her. Okay, oh that is different. You know what
I don't. You ain't had to go get Parker for
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me all. I wanted you to change what you do
in free agency because I believe players with the right
coaches are great teams, not the other way around. Because,
like you said about mister Parker, the last few places
he left, they're like, hey man, we we're gonna get
your first round pick over here. We're gonna let you
pick this guy in free agents over here, We're gonna
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let you do this. Great players make already intelligent coaches great.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
It don't work the other way, ax Bell Belichick. It
don't work the other way.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And on top of that, I know, we gotta get
ready to go. But when you you handcuff yourself when okay, cool,
you don't work and get a deal done. For George Pickens.
And now you say, well we franchise taped them. Well,
that's twenty eight million dollars, solid on the cap, right
on the cap. It hampers you going to spend other
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money because you don't know if that money now is
going to turn into twenty eight million dollars or it's
gonna turn into three million dollars because you try to
learn to deal and his first year is gonna be
a very it's gonna be eight million dollars. You see
what I'm saying. So you hamper yourself by not getting
these deals done with your own players and you franchise
tag them because that's that is a solid number that
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is on the cap, no matter what.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
When can you franchise tag now?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Now?
Speaker 7 (39:36):
The third, third, yes, March third. Yeah, So if that's
what you're gonna do, do it on the third that way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Right, no, But it handcuffs you because.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
It's a solid twenty eight because if it's solid.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
But if you know that's what you're gonna do, are
you saying go in and try it to go?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I'm saying I'm saying, get the deal done before you
hit free agency, so that I know now truly what
I have to spend?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
What if I know I want to, like, hey, love
what you did last year. We want to make sure
long term. This is smart for us because of some
you know, some of the attitude issues in the past.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Give us another year. We're gonna franchise you this.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Year and we'll work out a long term deal later.
Would you do that or would you sign Pickings now
to a long term deal?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Signing pick Us to alarm cord long term deal now
gives me more room to spend elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Even if you have some some concerns.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
If you got got concerns, yeah, listen.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
So that franchise tag when you can you know when
you can sign the franchise tag actually starts February seventeenth,
March third, is you have to that's the last day,
that's the deadline to assign it. You can sign it
between the February seventeenth and March third.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So anywhere in there do.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
All their plans rest on when they sign Pickens?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I no, no, but again, because you can say all
that and Pickings can go. I ain't plan on the tag.
And you said when I ain't giving you a deal?
Right like so like you you.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Just because then you're gonna sit out like Bell and
get the same contract the next year.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Or you can, or you can, you can cause a
lot of.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Problem either way, it's Scruis or your whole masters Master players.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
He's not there. It doesn't matter what the money.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Is, doesn't matter what the money is. Right, But because
here's the thing, the twenty eight is still on hold
unless you revoke it. The money is still on hold.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
So you miss out the money and the players.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So you miss out the money and the money you
can't spend elsewhere because it's allocated. The player's not there now,
granted he'll have to deal with his consequences by not
being there. You have to play. You have to play
in six games or be active six games in order
for that to considered a season, that now accredited season
Where you don't, they can't switch you over to you know,
(41:44):
you know what I'm saying, Like, you don't that that
deal doesn't roll over to next year, right, So signing
him gives you more space to go, All right, cool,
we know that the first year for George Pickens, and
of course you're already gonna hit the the switches on
DAX and CD those are. Let me say this before
we also go. It's funny because you have some people
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reporting like and CD said it. He's like, you know,
I'm willing to do all I can to get George
Pickings his money stuff like that, and people are saying like, oh, yeah,
DAK can CD do. DAK and SEED aren't doing a
damn thing.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
They're not taking less.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
They're not doing a damn thing you.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
Want to set out.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
These things have already been in place. These are switches
that are getting ready to get hit, whether DAK or
CD want them to or not. These things were in
place when they signed their contract long time ago. So
when when they say that they will no, they're not,
these switches will be already hit because it's already built in.
And that's how they're gonna go for being thirty seven
(42:37):
under the salard cap to being one hundred and thirty
something million dollars over the salary cap because this switch
is going to be hit. So they're not giving up
any money for the cause of George Pickens. These switches
were already in place long before George Pickens got here,
and and so that's gonna be cool. But you just
want to know what you have to spend. That's why
you should get that deal done sooner rather.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Than But you agree they should franchise him to give
it more time.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh yeah, yeahah for sure, because if you don't, right so,
anybody can silent. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
It puts pressure on this situation.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I just wish the Cowboys would have been proactive throughout
the season once you saw him and it's projected throughout
the season. Like I said, I was standing right there
as we're walking into Radio Row. Clara Till and David
Mulligeta are walking in talking and I walk in on
the conversation and I'm just I'm ear hustling and He's like,
(43:30):
I haven't heard from anybody from the Cowboys. I can't
tell you what says nothing. I have radio silence. This
is from his mouth. And I'm like, like, so, what's
you know, what you're thinking, what you're feeling. He was like, whatever,
whenever I hear from somebody, I literally have not heard
a word from them about George.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
It's called lesson learned, Like you know what.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'm saying, Like, and so I did for me, Let's
be proactive so that we get to this When we
get to this point that at least that there's something
in the ways, especially since you've been hands off in
the defensive coordinator search. If you give it that over
the shoty, then what what are you working on? You
should be You should be working on getting deal done
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behind the scenes or at least the communication of them.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
So you said, lesson learned. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Because Jesse give him the whole story. Who agent is mister.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh, David mallogether George's agent and who else?
Speaker 7 (44:24):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Is? You know what plaires and gave us, you know this,
that and the other.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Well, when I'm quite sure mister Jones and his crew
decide that, okay, this is what we're offering, this is
where we're gonna they're gonna give him a call. Other
than that, it's gonna it's gonna stay dead. It's gonna
be it's gonna be dead. Silence, let'son learn Jess is
just giving you his opinion on what he thinks the
cowboys should do. If they're gonna do something different than
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what they normally do, you know, but they got their
plan and how they gonna do it. I wish they
would do something different, you know, But my difference don't
lie so much with them because I know the twenty
eight meal is going because I believe the tag is coming.
So the twenty eight meal is there, and then the
negotiations and start, not before. But you still have to
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go out and get some players. This thing is not
gonna work. It's not gonna work the way. It's gonna
get worse. It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
It makes it tougher though, like when you know you
got to pay that twenty eight million when you readegotiating
Heaven free.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But but you you just text us here with the
ideas where coach said, I mean missus, Jones said, you
know he bust in the bank or whatever.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
What did you say, busting the budget?
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yeah, he busting the budget.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
So I don't believe it.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
You don't believe, you don't believe. But he said it.
I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
He said, we gotta have that all we gotta have
you're wearing all this shirt.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, but see, I want to go to Heaven. It's
a different deal. That's a different deal.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
We gotta have that all season headline.
Speaker 14 (46:00):
We do it.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Bust the budget, bust the buke real quick, because we
all agree, we got to do stuff in free agency
before we get out of here.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
What will be your number one priority to go after
in free agency? Which which position?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Just for me, with Christian Parker being your defensive coordinator,
and listen to him talk, I'm going to I'm going
to find me that new age Nickel corner. I need
to go find me a starting Weatherspoon, the Weatherspoon type
players or safety Darren Woodson type player that can come
down to a high ride. Yeah, because that's what that's
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what That's what he's been talking about, he being Christian Parker.
So I'm gonna find me one of them corners.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Kurt I would say cornerback. I didn't narrow it down
to Nickel and all that, but they need some help on.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
That cornerback secondary.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Nate the most intelligent player that can get these guys lined.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Go get me the athletic, intelligent players.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
That leads back to what Jesse said, it was a
highbred line a guy that can cover all the backs,
all the tight end.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
I don't care. Just as long as he got some
intelligence to it.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I'm going linebacker. I think you got a solid starting front.
I think you're missing a lot of linebacker. If you
can get the front seven fixed, I think it helps
your secondary and makes it look a little bit better.
Speaker 7 (47:21):
So I would I would probably go linebacker.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You guys too, they need everything, you know what I'm saying,
And you're gonna need some intelligent guys in the back end.
And I'll break it down more as we get into
the offseason. But just looking how Vic Fangio in that
match quarter that he runs, it's gonna take a level
of intelligence, take a level of intelligence. All I'm saying is.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
Hey, Chris, you're plugged in. Where would you where would you.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Go with with your number one free agent target position?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
You gotta be edge.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
You have to do edge right edge, okay? Or cornerback?
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Corner Cornerback's the.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Way it's gonna be. On the edge.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Here's a wild thing if they do what Chris said,
you said, you said, you said, I.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Said, still gotta get hey, all right?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, they all right?
Speaker 8 (48:07):
And the position of defense is good for the position
that date like, we're all right, what position?
Speaker 5 (48:14):
Defense?
Speaker 7 (48:14):
Yes, defense, any of them?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Fellas good stuff missed you guys, Jesse. We'll have to
get into more super Bowl talk next week, and your
experience out there and the cool stuff you did and
the people you met, Interviews you had absolutely.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
All right, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
We'll be back next Thursday, hanging with the boys, same time,
same place.
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Shannon Thursday look alive at the top of a tent
on Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Ford Center at the Star
in Frisco, Texas, where it is sixty seven degrees, the
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highest seventy one, the low is forty seven.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
He's Shannon, this is Natey and we're just gonna chat.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
We're just gonna chat.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
So I don't know him. May want to do this.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, still doing a good job. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The tint the view of the tent is because they
got a little tennis going on.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Big tennis, big time.
Speaker 7 (01:18):
Yeah, it's a very bustling Star district.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Whenever I came in and had lunch today, a lot
of folks out here walking around.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
What we had lunch.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I went over to uh little pizza joint over Connie Rosa.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
Right here.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
They have a pizza called the the PBR Pepperoni Brisket
and then it has Holo pinos and barbecue sauce drizzled
on top of it. That one might be one of
the best pizzas.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
I've ever had. Thanks for inviting us.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Oh, I had lunch with my old office mate Jason Kettle.
So it was it was a one on one.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Okay, that was good. What did he have?
Speaker 7 (02:01):
He had the honey bastard?
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Okay? And what is that Britain that I didn't I
didn't ask.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
I'm sure it has honey on it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, fellas what I wanted to say this man, the
super Bowl for me, that was that was that was
a doozy. I loved it, and I know it hurt
fantasy football fans all.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Over the world.
Speaker 7 (02:25):
I knew you were gonna like, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah yeah, fantasy not mine. But I loved it. I
love how this game was played. I love how the defense.
I love how the offensive struggled.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
You know, how they ran the ball how.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I love how even the Vrabel, the losing coach, stuck
with his guns. He tried to get his team going.
I love what's up, Jay, What's up? I loved where
this game was played. And since we're here, we're gonna
we're gonna do this thing, right, Jesse, he just stepped there.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Let's me go.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
You are looking live and poor ugly dudes on the TV.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
It's sixty seven degrees outside. The high is seventy one,
yes or four, and the low is forty seven.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, Shinn, That is Nate in the back of Chris
b and keep his live and local. This is Kurt
one pump dance because get you a fine Yeah. As always,
I'm your boy. Salt and Pepper Poppy. Together we make
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Speaker 7 (03:28):
When we speak, when you stop? Is he welcome to
the show?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Jess welcome, Jess welcome. We stalled.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
What do do people be? It's twelve o'clock on a Thursday.
Speaker 8 (03:39):
Why is it Jesse needs a helicopter sponsor of everybody.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That Why is there traffic?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
You know they called his boy Jay, mister Jones, mister.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
Jo don't work around here. Get the chopping through the chopper.
I don't know. There's always traffic in Dallas somewhere. God,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Going thirty five. It was traffic going toll way, I'm like, goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Gracious, it's like New York on the right hand side,
California on the left hand side, depending on.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
How it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Rain in New Orleans is raining somewhere in the city
at every point of the day. But there's always traffic
somewhere in Dallas. It's just so if you're on the
road that the traffic is on or not. We're glad
you made it.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Here, we were just talking about the super Bowl. Nate
was talking about how he loved it. Everybody that I
knew was like, man, that was a terrible super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I was like, what about that Halftoph, We'll get.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
We'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
By the way, Kurt, did you know Green Day was
playing before?
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I did not even know it. I turned the TV
and I was.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Like, what what is this?
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Yeah? A lot of variety in the music selections? Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
What's how top show did you watch?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
I watched Bad Bunny And by the way, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Oh, yeah, I loved it Bad Bunny.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I turned it on and saw some sisters dancing. I'm like, okay,
they say, I ain't got the right channel. I just
turned away from it.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
So did you watch he's playing cool.
Speaker 8 (05:04):
Honestly, I was not playing cornhole. I was playing pickleball.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Okay, wow, which one did you watch?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I can't rock one? Did you really?
Speaker 5 (05:16):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
From a production standpoint, the reason why most Super Bowl
halftimes don't look good is because it's hard to fill
up a field and make it look good on a camera.
I thought they did a really good job of like
sectioning everything off and kind of from now in the stadium.
Speaker 7 (05:37):
I'm sure it looked terrible, but looking.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
At it visually, I thought they did a really good
job of keeping everything tight Cinematically. Couldn't understand a word
that was going on. I did not recognize a couple
of songs. I talked to a friend of mine that's
from Puerto Rico speak Spanish, still has family down there,
and said he had a hard time hearing the lyrics.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
So so, yeah, I thought it was good. I thought
it was interesting. And then I you know, and and
then and then.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
Wunniest moment was the guys dressed up as trees. That's
the fun. That's what everybody's gonna remember this. The grass,
the grass, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
I thought it was I thought it was good.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And then and then the little nuggets he had in
there with all the hidden celebrities and everything.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
I need a video showing me who was what, yeah,
and all like the hidden meetings and who the famous
people were, because I was like, yeah, that person looks famous.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
I had like a three I had like a three
minute debate on whether that was Lady Gaga or not.
Speaker 7 (06:32):
I was like, that kind of looks like her. And
when she danced, I was like, that's not lady Guys.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So I had to go research the tattoo that was
on her arm, the trumpet on her arm. When you
go look on I was like, I said, lady got
got Lady got got tattoos, and sure enough, that was it.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
That was That's how you matched. I thought it was interesting.
I know you were trying to be messy, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I'm always that's always.
Speaker 7 (06:54):
What did you think about the game?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I I enjoyed it because it was different than most games,
and it kind of played out the way if you
stood back and looked at it. Drake may wasn't ready
for that game, Like he still needs any of them.
He still needs a.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Year or two.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
But you know, but I thought it was I thought
it was good.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
The thing for Drake May. And this is what people.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
It took this last and final game for a coach
to say, you know what, he ain't gonna run the ball.
We're gonna make him read the defense and we're gonna
bring this blitz. And he wasn't ready for it. He
wasn't ready for it. And uh, I just swummed my
hats off to Seattle and to Sam.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
He took a lot of heat all year.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Sam the quarterback, he took a lot of heat, and
uh and he got through it. I mean he made
He still made some tight throws. Both secondaries was playing
lights out, just one secondary just and that's New England.
He just couldn't hold up the running game. Just they
kept punching, that kept punching at them, so they finally
broke them down.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
But man, that is how I like to see football play.
Speaker 9 (08:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Don't get me wrong. If we get a chance to
get an elite quarterback in there, all the better, all
the better.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
But I love when I see just back and forth,
back and forth. It got a little wicked in the
third quarter when New England just seemed like they just
couldn't get themselves together, But I loved it.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Why don't you just be honest and just say you
loved it because the kicker was the star of the game.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
The thing is, and since you brought that up, I
was hoping someone would this is what I envisioned for
our kicker. I would never back away from this. If
you got a dominant defense, your kicker can win a game.
Never with a dominant offense where your kicker win the game,
but with a dominant defense, your kicker is always set
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up to win the game.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I believe that with all my heart.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Great defenses put you in that position to keep you
either tied tied in a game or win a game.
And most times when he's just offense offense offense.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
You know, when there was twelve nothing after three quarters,
did you think the kicker was going to be the
m v P of the No no I discussion?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I kept saying to myself. I was like, I said,
one of us, either Sam Donald or Kenniff Murray, one
of them just needs a touchdown. Whoever gets a touchdown,
I'm sorry, kin Walker, excuse Keinn Murray. Kenneth Walker, dude, yeah, exactly,
Kenneth Walker. I said that I was sitting the older
guy and I was like whoever gets touchdown first, this
(09:37):
is going to probably be your m v P. No
way they given it to a kicker That was never
going to happen.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I thought somebody on defense would get just because they
were so dominant. But one I guess there wasn't anybody
that really stood above out. I mean, they were.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
All really good.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It wasn't was the man two sacks. Yeah he was
good cause the interception blitz like seven times, and and
they find in the fourth quarter they finally blocked him.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
And I know Drake may probably looked over and said, Okay,
thank you. It's one of let's getting that because every
time you blitchy he put a hand on.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You know, the depressing part about the game when the
game was over and the celebrations ended, and you turned
the TV off and reality sets in and the excitement,
you know, the excitement from from Super Bowl Sunday, you know,
and the TV goes off, and just how far away.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
This defense is from being championship caliber defense. I mean,
can you that's probably gonna happen in every Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
You're gonna have two good or dominant defenses that are
going to cause you.
Speaker 9 (10:48):
To do.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
You can't you can't play in that game with the
defense anywhere resembling what you can't score your way to
win on that slight lea.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Okay, The reason I'll pushback on that is it's far away.
If we continue at the route that we're going.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
You can fix it. This is fix it right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You can fix this.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
You fix this.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
I mean, you know what, Patrits will.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Okay, go ahead, Let's take a break because this is
this is going to take up a whole seven because
I agree, I agree with you, very fixable, but you
gotta be willing to fix it, and you gotta change
your entire philosophy for the last twenty plus years. Let's
talk about what that is. When we come back, hang
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All right, if you missed the first segment, we were
talking about watching the game and how it was depressing
to realize how far away the Cowboys are on defense
to being able to get to a championship game. And
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Jesse said, yes, but Jesse thinks they can fix it.
How soon can they fix it?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
And how as fast as they want to fix it.
As fast as they want to fix it, spend some money, right,
I mean, that's what Seattle did. Seattle was the number
four team in the National Football League and contracts spending
in free agency right, yes, drafting matters. They were number one,
The Patriots the number one, The Vikings were like number two,
and the Giants were number three, and you saw what
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they were defensively, right, But like you know, the Vikings
just made a bad deal thinking they had a better
quarterback than what they had. The Vikings would have had
Sam Donald, they probably would have won a lot more
games than they did last year with the defense that
they had, and the Giants they just again didn't have
a quarterback. Their defense was pretty good as well. This
is fixable. The problem is is the front office willing
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to spend differently in free agency. If Chris looked it
up for us in the back from March ninth to eleventh,
is the legal tampering when everybody's having the back door conversations,
March eleventh is when free agency opens. If they're not
in that first week of conversations, if they're waiting till
the second and third week of conversation, then we know
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that they're I'm trying to change.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Don't God forbid if we staid talking about the third week,
it's over, y'all, it's over.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Like there's far too many needs on this defense right now.
Like the only thing that I am confident in saying
about this current Dallas Cowboys defense that I will say.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Dog.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's Quinnin. That's it. I'm not willing to say any
other person definitively is a dog. And there are so
many gaps and holes that you have due to lack
of development, lack of drafting, lack of free agent signings,
that you have a ton to feel. You need corners,
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you need safeties, you need all the linebackers, you need
rush ins, you need a lot of players. And there's
a difference between trying to go out because Okay, cool
Mike is not here anymore. That's fine, that's not coming back.
And I know that there's a combination about another guy
that potentially can be a trade factor. We can't mention
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his name on this particular show today. But if you're
looking to change this thing, I'm not saying that you
need all pros at every position. The Seattle Seahawks didn't
have all pros at every position. The Patriots didn't have
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all pros at every position. But you need really good
players at all positions. Need you, Quinn is your A
plus player? Right?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
You need four more b You gotta gotta have some
bees out there.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You got you have to have some bees out there.
That's dog be four more of them, like you have
like starters. You have to have that, and so you
can easily change the fortune of what your defense was.
Now there's still we're still waiting on to see what
who and how Christian Parker will work out. I think
(17:27):
I speak for the group when I say that we're
all hopeful. Yeah, like there's nothing that Like, we're way
more hopeful about Christian Parker than we were about Matti Ebraflus.
And we knew more about Matti Ebraflus than we did
about Christian Parker, right, And this is a guy who
hasn't called plays before, has been the understudy of some
good defensive coordinators Brian Flores, Vic Fangio, Vance Joseph and such.
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So we're all hopeful there in that process. If you
want to fix this, you can fix this. They have
to want to fix this, they have to want to
put themselves in position that when we get to training
camp next year, we're not still asking the question about, boy,
what is this defense going to be? Who's going to
be the starter?
Speaker 8 (18:08):
Is?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
How are they going to approach this thing? If we
get the training camp, we're still having that discussion.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
All right, let me ask you this because you and
I we talked about this a lot going back to
last year. There have been changes because we always talk
on the show how you know ownership is stubborn, and
how they're setting their ways and how it's the same old,
same old, and it's the same result. It's been changing
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a little bit over the last year with the hiring
of Schottenheimer, kind of the same home, you know, somebody
that maybe wasn't calling all the shots, but it seems
like things are being done a little bit different. Going
and getting the George Pickens, going and actually getting to
Quinn Williams when you didn't have to.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
You had to, you had to, but you didn't have to.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You had to, you had to.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
Why did you have to?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Because if they wouldn't have got.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
It, they still they were still terrible.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Bruh, it's terrible, terrible. N you did that to say
the fan.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Base is why you did it to save.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Face with yourself. Yeah, you told the fan base that
the dude that you got in the trade was going
to be the run stopper that we've been looking for.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I'll get nothing to stop, nothing to give y'all that
we running had stopped. We had to, but we didn't
have to anyway, you went got quinnin. It seems like
you let your coach have a big saying who his
defensive coordinator was. Seems like you've let your defensive coordinator
pick and it's it's not a traditional Cowboys high right,
it's a non proven person that everybody else in the
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league's been doing. Hey, let's give this young guy from
this tree a shot. Right, You're letting him kind of
go get his own coaches and put his staff together.
Do you have any faith, Jesse, that things will be
done different this offseason with some things are changing, do
you you feel like some things will stay the same
(20:02):
or this is kind of a global holistic like we've
been doing this for the last thirty years.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
With the same result insanity.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Do you think more things are gonna change and they're
gonna go spend money in free agency and they're gonna
do things a little bit different, or do you think
it's gonna be let down again in free agency and
on in the training camp and things like that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, there's thirty years of evidence I don't have.
I don't have much faith that they're gonna go out
and spend the free agency. I want to be wrong hopeful,
but I'm hopeful.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I think like maybe I'm drinking the kolid a little bit,
but I think the way they went about hiring Parker
was a big change. I mean they Jerry said and
recently that I mean, he was That's what I just said. Yeah,
he was counting on his own, you know, comfort level
with Zimmer and Quinn.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
And yeah, that's what I said. I said, this is
a new way of doing it.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
I just I don't think it's a little change.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think he's a big change.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
That was a big change. Now, whether it transfers into
the free agency, that's we all hope.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Let me tell him something, If we don't continue this trend,
you think terrible with it last year. If we don't
continue this trend change changing the way we do business,
you don't think you can get worse. I know it
can get worse because I was a part of the
one in whatevers three and whatever, it can get worse
(21:28):
seven games. Do say, do give your fan base Okay,
if we do one or two things listening and just
it can go it can go better. But don't let
them one of two things yes, to talk about and
then we'll be in there. Ah, we'll be doing another
drum beat to a different tune.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
It can get worse if we don't do things.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
If we wait till the third week of free agency
and say, oh, we got a great bargain, you know,
and we go into training camp with waiting on other
people rosters to get cut like we did last year
we had two starting corners where it was cut from
other teams on the street. If it can get worse,
(22:09):
and if you can't see it can get worse. What
football game where you watch it?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I just.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm from Jersey by way of Missouri and showed me
you know what I'm saying, Like, I just, I just
have to I have to stand on that until you
show me differently.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Because what would make you change your mind? What would
make you think things are different?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Free agents that you actually go out and you play
for players like you go when you get top level
free agents, and you you, I don't. I want the
Cowboys to address issues the right way, like not band aids,
like go ahead and address it, go and get you.
(22:49):
You you tried to address it for the last let's
just talk about last year. You tried to address issues
last year with a bunch of guys of you know,
one year deals and hoping you strike old again with
these guys. And because they had to pass pedigree or
what word? Am I looking for traits that you've liked
in the draft five six years ago.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Building a team on potential.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
And potential, go get guys, Go get and I say,
go get guys, but also go get guys who love
football because they are they're going to be necessary here.
Don't because every time you talk about Christian Parker and
I have I want Christian Parker to work so bad
for a number of reasons. But when you say what
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he did in other places, I will point to the
players that he said that came out and spoke and
said how much he developed them, I would say Patrick's
are ten. The second was the number eight seven overall pick. Quinya.
Mitchell was a first round pick. Cooper de Gen was
a high second round pick. So I'm you know what
that tells me. He does wonders with players who have talent.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
And more importantly, he does ones with players who want
to be good.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Right, So that's the difference, you know what I'm saying, like,
don't don't go get me, don't don't don't go get me.
Guys who who who don't love the game. Don't go
get me. Guys who just want what the game brings
to them. We had a lot of guys in this
organization who who love what the game has given them,
but don't love the game, don't put the work in
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for the game, who want to come here and and
and live off the backs of Nate Newton and company
and live off those stripes and just get here and say,
oh well I made it. I'm a cowboy. And you
start having these unrealistic expectations about who you are, what
your game is, how you should be playing, all the
other kind of stuff. Nah, go get go, get some
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dudes to actually look at the backs of the players
that Nate Newton came along and says, no, no, no, no,
I want to be like that.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
I want to earn it.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I want to earn it like those dudes, did. I
don't want to just live off live off there there
there dynasty running the nineties. I want to start our own.
I want to be the guys who I tell you,
I say this all the time. I we were around
here long enough to know when practicing meetings ends. All
I gotta do is stand right there. There's I don't
know if if you guys have ever been to the
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Star before. If you haven't, there's tours through here all
the time. Come through. Okay. You can stand right here
outside of the studio at that window. And when the
day is done, see how many cars about get speeding
tickets leave it out of the parking lot. Who I
need a bunch of dudes in here who are spending
time learning and getting better in the game, who are
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breaking down film, working through things.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
You hear you.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I was listening to the sounds of the sideline for
the Seattle game, and uh, Jeremiah not Jeremiahla has to
running back. But the love who got the interception in
the game, and he was like, oh man, he dropped
on early in the game. He's like, oh man, I'm
on it.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Man.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
When he when he gets to that back foot and
he shoulders do this. I know the ball's coming, and
so he's waiting on it. Sure enough, boom interception. That's dude,
that's in the film room. Those are dudes who are
saying we're gonna master this thing so that when we
go out on the field on Sundays, we're out there
having fun because we got our tailtale signs, We got
our assignments down. We know where to be, how to be,
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who to be there with. Our communication is not fudged up,
our calls are not messed up. All that stuff comes
from the unit, the pack, willing to sit in there
and really take the game seriously. That's what the players
that you need to bring in here. I don't need
any more guys that you're gonna bring in here. That's like,
just love what the game brings them.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'll never forget I probably told you guys on the
show before I was given a tour. One night, seven
seven point thirty, after hours, had some VIPs in, walked
over to the football side. Everybody's gone, lights are off,
cleaning people around, and I walked up to the to
the top of the stairs where you know where the
team auditorium is and the defensive team meeting rooms are
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on the left, and a walk by Sean Lee's in
there by himself with the clicker, by himself, you know,
and I walked, I was, oh, sorry, sorry, Sean.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
He's like, oh, that's okay. Hey, hey guys, how are y'all?
Nobody else in there with him?
Speaker 4 (27:13):
And I'm sure he did that every night, every night
he was in there, and that's why he was so
damn good.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
Love the game, right, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Love the game?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
All right, let's come back and talk about we need
a lot of collateral on defense?
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Where would you guys or how how are these conversations
from your point of view happening?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Now?
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Where would you spend your do you pre determined because
free agency is before the draft?
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Do you pre determine I'm going after free agents at
these positions and then I'm spending my draft collateral in
other ways?
Speaker 7 (27:48):
How does that conversation happen? And how would you guys
spend all that collateral? On the last segment of Hanging
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Speaker 7 (30:37):
That we have to spend collateral on the defense. Right,
you got.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Draft picks two, number one draft picks. You gotta go
spend some money in free agency. Where how are those
conversations being being.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Held on the other side of the building.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Do you identify like, Okay, we're going to because free agencies,
like we said, you got to be active the first week.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
To get the players. You need to fix this thing.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
Do you do they already have guys like we're going
after this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy
and then we're gonna draft around that. Or do you
how does all that work?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
You have the conversation of all right, cool, one of
our needs, right, what are we prioritizing? Is it in
linebacker corners?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Do you kind of do you kind of rank them
like this is we gotta go get a dog here?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Because you start you start playing, you start playing the
odds of what's available in free agency, what's available potentially
to come in your way in the draft, and then
what are we willing to spend in the budget, because
this is when it all comes down to, because because
I can say I want Shannon Gross and then all
of a sudden you hit free agency and Team A says, well,
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we're gonna give you X amount of dollars for X
amount of years, and the Cowboys go, what we had
for them? I mean, we didn't have that, We didn't
have that price for you. So now the player that
they didn't want, we wanted Shannon, but t A said
they were going to give it. Now A Cowboy was like, well,
so it's kind of a problood kind of like the draft.
You kind of have guys slotted like he he here's
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and here's here's what we're willing to pay for that,
give or take maybe you know, a million or two.
Here's probably what our terms would be for that. And
then this everything's up for negotiation, right, but you have
a you have a baseline of where you're willing to
pay for that player, and then you just kind of
go down the list of all right, well we lost him,
you know. But you're working on all this at the
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same time because when that when Francie opened, it's not like, Okay,
if Franci opens up for defensive linemen. No France opens
up for everybody, and so everybody has a need and
there's only one Shennon and there might be twelve teams
that are looking to have your services, feel need for
they having their team. So you you kind of and
this is the part with having that conversation, like, uh,
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we're being told us that nine through the eleventh is
where we have in this conversation, I'm I'm I'm on
the phone with agents, hey man thinking oh man, we're thinking, man,
we think it. We think of three for seventy five.
That's where we're at right now, three for seventy five.
And now you're like, okay, you know all right, Stephen Jerry,
three for seventy five when you think about that, too
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rich for our blood? Or let's do what if we
did four for this? So you know what I'm saying.
So those those tampering days when you're kind of hashing
out with all the different agents about where you sit,
and you might be able to say those first couple
of days, well I can already tell where they're at
right now today too rich froud blood. So you go
to you, let's pivot to the next guy that we
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talked to said agent. Said agent said they want this,
and he said they got a couple offers to get that.
Then cool, fine that we know we're not paying that.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
And see.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Whereas this draft charices that slotted, you just paid the money.
You know, you figure out how you pay the money
it's slotted, but here it's not slotted. So if you're
a total free agent coming out of here in this
free agency, you know you set your number high.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You ain't never set there. I mean, you're really.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Going overboard hoping somebody will bite. So if you're if
you're for real, you know you're gonna pull an agent
to the side. Because some of these guys they are
friendly with some of them they're not. And so you know, hey, man,
we really like you. Got to come on shoot us
what's going on. Some agents that give it to you,
some won't. So you you got to you got to
go to work. You got to go to work. But
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more importantly, what's your What is the priority?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Is the priority?
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Is defensive line?
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Is the priority? Uh? Safeties? What is true to your priority?
Because that's where you got to be slotted the most.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Because you do not want to wait because every year
we're here and we'll all sit around here talking heads.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Well this guy, this guy that got off.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
But it's true.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
About a week and a half, all the top chier
game changes and a plus players that may hit free agency.
Speaker 7 (34:57):
Let's just say, let's say linebackers. Your already with the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
We need a stud a linebacker. Do you target multiple
guys in free agency to go after or do you
go we're drafting the best linebacker in the.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
No, you can't, because you don't know if you're gonna
be available.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
Yeah, you, so you address your highest needs.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You trust, you try to. You should try to dress
all your high knees in free agency so that when
you get to the draft as available player, now you
can go. Now your picture is clear, right because as
of today, you don't know what's gonna fall to you
at twelve. Right because right now you can say today
Fernando Mandolda is the only quarterbacks going on the top ten. Well,
somebody might say, you know what, Todd Simpson, we like him,
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and now he jumps in the top ten. Well that
pushes another player that you might not have thought I
had a chance at backup player. You know what I'm saying.
So now all of a sudden. That's how you end
up with Ceedee Lamb. When you know, when you're looking around,
you're saying, wait, WHOA we didn't we weren't going to
pick a receiver in the draft this year, but Ceede
Lamb fell at seventeen. We gotta take him. This guy's
we had n't rated this high in that draft, but
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the things gonna be there at seventeen eighteen whatever he was.
Now we got another receiver. So I think you address
everything in the free agency you can that you can,
and then now your picture is clear in the draft,
and then after the draft you try to you try
to now piece together whatever else you may not have gotten,
or that there may be some some more pieces out
there that come available to say, you know what, that's
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a good piece. We might want to a's a depth piece.
That's my piece we want to bring in and see
what how we can configure that into you know what
we want to do.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Free agent day, Chris, is what actual day that they
can sign the eleven day?
Speaker 5 (36:32):
That's a Tuesday, Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh I don't know, Well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Because I like to know that because if it's on
a Tuesday or Wednesday, we'll be able to come in
here because the top fifteen guys.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Gonna be March eleventh is a Wednesday, Okay, So when
we come in here we March twelfth, it's gonna be like,
hey man, you're just waiting on legal approval.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
These fifteen guys done signed.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
So if we are not in here on March to
twelve talking about at least and we three four or
five guys, just like I told y'all, okay, yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Can we go?
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Do they do they ask let me this? Do they
handcuff themselves because they take so long with these Now
you got the picking contract. Last year was Parsons here.
Before that it was Dak and LAMB. Before that it
was Dak again. I mean, they're waiting, waiting and waiting
to allocate all this money to their own or they're
hampering themselves by not the earlier.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Their minds were already shut down. The free agency, Like
just say, the history is we never and I'm talking
about collectively dot com, we never talk about free agency.
Just think for the last six or seven years, when
have we talked about free agency. It's been oh, we're
gonna sign da and so we talked right on through
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free agency about.
Speaker 5 (37:50):
When to sign da. Oh, we're gonna sign CD. So
we talked right on through free agency.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
This is the first year that you know that we
have concentrated and I know our group the other shows,
I don't know what they're doing, but this is the
first time we've said they got to do something different.
Now they went out and got the Parker they got
with her. Okay, oh that is different. You know what
I don't. You ain't had to go get Parker for
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me all. I wanted you to change what you do
in free agency because I believe players with the right
coaches are great teams, not the other way around. Because,
like you said about mister Parker, the last few places
he left, they're like, hey man, we we're gonna get
your first round pick over here. We're gonna let you
pick this guy in free agents over here, We're gonna
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let you do this. Great players make already intelligent coaches great.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
It don't work the other way, ax Bell Belichick. It
don't work the other way.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And on top of that, I know, we gotta get
ready to go. But when you you handcuff yourself when okay, cool,
you don't work and get a deal done. For George Pickens.
And now you say, well we franchise taped them. Well,
that's twenty eight million dollars, solid on the cap, right
on the cap. It hampers you going to spend other
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money because you don't know if that money now is
going to turn into twenty eight million dollars or it's
gonna turn into three million dollars because you try to
learn to deal and his first year is gonna be
a very it's gonna be eight million dollars. You see
what I'm saying. So you hamper yourself by not getting
these deals done with your own players and you franchise
tag them because that's that is a solid number that
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is on the cap, no matter what.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
When can you franchise tag now?
Speaker 1 (39:34):
No?
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Now?
Speaker 7 (39:36):
The third, third, yes, March third. Yeah, So if that's
what you're gonna do, do it on the third that way,
you know.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Right, no, But it handcuffs you because.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
It's a solid twenty eight because if it's solid.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
But if you know that's what you're gonna do, are
you saying go in and try it to go?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I'm saying I'm saying, get the deal done before you
hit free agency, so that I know now truly what
I have to spend?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
What if I know I want to, like, hey, love
what you did last year. We want to make sure
long term. This is smart for us because of some
you know, some of the attitude issues in the past.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Give us another year. We're gonna franchise you this.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Year and we'll work out a long term deal later.
Would you do that or would you sign Pickings now
to a long term deal?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Signing pick Us to alarm cord long term deal now
gives me more room to spend elsewhere.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Even if you have some some concerns.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
If you got got concerns, yeah, listen.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
So that franchise tag when you can you know when
you can sign the franchise tag actually starts February seventeenth,
March third, is you have to that's the last day,
that's the deadline to assign it. You can sign it
between the February seventeenth and March third.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
So anywhere in there do.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
All their plans rest on when they sign Pickens?
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I no, no, but again, because you can say all
that and Pickings can go. I ain't plan on the tag.
And you said when I ain't giving you a deal?
Right like so like you you.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Just because then you're gonna sit out like Bell and
get the same contract the next year.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Or you can, or you can, you can cause a
lot of.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Problem either way, it's Scruis or your whole masters Master players.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
He's not there. It doesn't matter what the money.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Is, doesn't matter what the money is. Right, But because
here's the thing, the twenty eight is still on hold
unless you revoke it. The money is still on hold.
Speaker 7 (41:21):
So you miss out the money and the players.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
So you miss out the money and the money you
can't spend elsewhere because it's allocated. The player's not there now,
granted he'll have to deal with his consequences by not
being there. You have to play. You have to play
in six games or be active six games in order
for that to considered a season, that now accredited season
Where you don't, they can't switch you over to you know,
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you know what I'm saying, Like, you don't that that
deal doesn't roll over to next year, right, So signing
him gives you more space to go, All right, cool,
we know that the first year for George Pickens, and
of course you're already gonna hit the the switches on
DAX and CD those are. Let me say this before
we also go. It's funny because you have some people
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reporting like and CD said it. He's like, you know,
I'm willing to do all I can to get George
Pickings his money stuff like that, and people are saying like, oh, yeah,
DAK can CD do. DAK and SEED aren't doing a
damn thing.
Speaker 7 (42:14):
They're not taking less.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
They're not doing a damn thing you.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
Want to set out.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
These things have already been in place. These are switches
that are getting ready to get hit, whether DAK or
CD want them to or not. These things were in
place when they signed their contract long time ago. So
when when they say that they will no, they're not,
these switches will be already hit because it's already built in.
And that's how they're gonna go for being thirty seven
(42:37):
under the salard cap to being one hundred and thirty
something million dollars over the salary cap because this switch
is going to be hit. So they're not giving up
any money for the cause of George Pickens. These switches
were already in place long before George Pickens got here,
and and so that's gonna be cool. But you just
want to know what you have to spend. That's why
you should get that deal done sooner rather.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
Than But you agree they should franchise him to give
it more time.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh yeah, yeahah for sure, because if you don't, right so,
anybody can silent. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
It puts pressure on this situation.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I just wish the Cowboys would have been proactive throughout
the season once you saw him and it's projected throughout
the season. Like I said, I was standing right there
as we're walking into Radio Row. Clara Till and David
Mulligeta are walking in talking and I walk in on
the conversation and I'm just I'm ear hustling and He's like,
(43:30):
I haven't heard from anybody from the Cowboys. I can't
tell you what says nothing. I have radio silence. This
is from his mouth. And I'm like, like, so, what's
you know, what you're thinking, what you're feeling. He was like, whatever,
whenever I hear from somebody, I literally have not heard
a word from them about George.
Speaker 5 (43:48):
It's called lesson learned, Like you know what.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
I'm saying, Like, and so I did for me, Let's
be proactive so that we get to this When we
get to this point that at least that there's something
in the ways, especially since you've been hands off in
the defensive coordinator search. If you give it that over
the shoty, then what what are you working on? You
should be You should be working on getting deal done
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behind the scenes or at least the communication of them.
Speaker 7 (44:13):
So you said, lesson learned. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Because Jesse give him the whole story. Who agent is mister.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Oh, David mallogether George's agent and who else?
Speaker 7 (44:24):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (44:26):
Is? You know what plaires and gave us, you know this,
that and the other.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Well, when I'm quite sure mister Jones and his crew
decide that, okay, this is what we're offering, this is
where we're gonna they're gonna give him a call. Other
than that, it's gonna it's gonna stay dead. It's gonna
be it's gonna be dead. Silence, let'son learn Jess is
just giving you his opinion on what he thinks the
cowboys should do. If they're gonna do something different than
(44:53):
what they normally do, you know, but they got their
plan and how they gonna do it. I wish they
would do something different, you know, But my difference don't
lie so much with them because I know the twenty
eight meal is going because I believe the tag is coming.
So the twenty eight meal is there, and then the
negotiations and start, not before. But you still have to
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go out and get some players. This thing is not
gonna work. It's not gonna work the way. It's gonna
get worse. It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 6 (45:23):
It makes it tougher though, like when you know you
got to pay that twenty eight million when you readegotiating
Heaven free.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
But but you you just text us here with the
ideas where coach said, I mean missus, Jones said, you
know he bust in the bank or whatever.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
What did you say, busting the budget?
Speaker 5 (45:39):
Yeah, he busting the budget.
Speaker 7 (45:40):
So I don't believe it.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
You don't believe, you don't believe. But he said it.
I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
He said, we gotta have that all we gotta have
you're wearing all this shirt.
Speaker 5 (45:49):
Yeah, but see, I want to go to Heaven. It's
a different deal. That's a different deal.
Speaker 7 (45:57):
We gotta have that all season headline.
Speaker 14 (46:00):
We do it.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Bust the budget, bust the buke real quick, because we
all agree, we got to do stuff in free agency
before we get out of here.
Speaker 7 (46:07):
What will be your number one priority to go after
in free agency? Which which position?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
Just for me, with Christian Parker being your defensive coordinator,
and listen to him talk, I'm going to I'm going
to find me that new age Nickel corner. I need
to go find me a starting Weatherspoon, the Weatherspoon type
players or safety Darren Woodson type player that can come
down to a high ride. Yeah, because that's what that's
(46:34):
what That's what he's been talking about, he being Christian Parker.
So I'm gonna find me one of them corners.
Speaker 6 (46:40):
Kurt I would say cornerback. I didn't narrow it down
to Nickel and all that, but they need some help on.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
That cornerback secondary.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Nate the most intelligent player that can get these guys lined.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
Go get me the athletic, intelligent players.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
That leads back to what Jesse said, it was a
highbred line a guy that can cover all the backs,
all the tight end.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
I don't care. Just as long as he got some
intelligence to it.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
I'm going linebacker. I think you got a solid starting front.
I think you're missing a lot of linebacker. If you
can get the front seven fixed, I think it helps
your secondary and makes it look a little bit better.
Speaker 7 (47:21):
So I would I would probably go linebacker.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
You guys too, they need everything, you know what I'm saying,
And you're gonna need some intelligent guys in the back end.
And I'll break it down more as we get into
the offseason. But just looking how Vic Fangio in that
match quarter that he runs, it's gonna take a level
of intelligence, take a level of intelligence. All I'm saying is.
Speaker 7 (47:39):
Hey, Chris, you're plugged in. Where would you where would you.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Go with with your number one free agent target position?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
You gotta be edge.
Speaker 7 (47:48):
You have to do edge right edge, okay? Or cornerback?
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Corner Cornerback's the.
Speaker 5 (47:55):
Way it's gonna be. On the edge.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Here's a wild thing if they do what Chris said,
you said, you said, you said, I.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Said, still gotta get hey, all right?
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, they all right?
Speaker 8 (48:07):
And the position of defense is good for the position
that date like, we're all right, what position?
Speaker 5 (48:14):
Defense?
Speaker 7 (48:14):
Yes, defense, any of them?
Speaker 5 (48:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Fellas good stuff missed you guys, Jesse. We'll have to
get into more super Bowl talk next week, and your
experience out there and the cool stuff you did and
the people you met, Interviews you had absolutely.
Speaker 7 (48:27):
All right, good stuff.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
We'll be back next Thursday, hanging with the boys, same time,
same place.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
So this has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com
and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club
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