February 5, 2026 • 51 mins
Has the value of winning been diminished? In other words, is what counts for success today different than what it once was? Like maybe social media followers instead of victories? And is the road to success in the NFL reverting back to winning with a strong defense? Plus, Jesse calls in from Radio Row at the Super Bowl, and Nate shares a couple of his own Super Bowl memories.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Now, your hosts.
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Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
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I hope not tired of Are we done? I hope
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Let's continue the open of the show.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Since Jesse's most of You, most of your Kids was
made in this.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Legend of the fall.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
He is Shannon, our beloved host. He is Times super Bowl.
We got lots of stories to tell, Nate Noon, we
got Chriss in the bag. We got Josh in the
bag we got for sink in the back one put
salt and pepper poppy. He's out hob nobbin with the
big wigs. He is in San Francisco. I am Kurt Daniels,
trying to fill in for him badly. Together, we are
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the short We are the sports sports equivalent of Brell people.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
Wow thro the.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Wow yeah weekstop is.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
All right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
We made it. We made it through the open.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Jesse's out in San Frano radio row. He may or
may not call in. I am wearing a super Bowl
thirty Steelers versus Cowboys shirt January twenty eighth, nineteen ninety six,
the last time the Dallas Cowboys were in the Super Bowl,
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and our friend Nate played in this exact game. Yes,
what was so Atlanta from a social standpoint, was the
best Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What was the best.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Team you played on? Which team was the best at first? Maan,
Yeah that first, man, We could have put it, I
don't care you could. We could have got Green Bay
in the Ice Bowl with a crush.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah that you think y'all were the best team ever? Really? Ever,
that's a bold statement. Who is going to be so
that's a great point.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Some of them Stiller teams would have would have hung
in there with us, but yeah, we'd have eventually started.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We'd offense got them in the end.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
What was y'all? What was the strongest you know?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
And obviously we've all while I'm about halfway through the
Netflix series, but just there hasn't been a story that
I haven't heard yet, but to hear it from the
guys put kind of a different spin on it. But
what was the what was the strongest part of y'all's game?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The defense? Was it offense? Was it offensive line? Was
it running the ball? Was it passing the ball?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Was it You can tome.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Back and check when we when we started those Super
Bowl runs, our defenses were always top five. That's why
you hear me say people, you know people this. This
is what's funny to me is people thought if we
were a top fifteen or twenty defensively ranked, or we
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would go far. I didn't buy into that last year.
It takes much more than that. You're gonna you know,
you're gonna have to have a dominant defense. And don't
get me wrong, everybody scores. It's when you score and
when you don't score that makes the difference. Can your
guys stand up. And we had Charles Haley, Tony Tobert,
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Darren Woodson, Ken Norton, Deon Sanders at one point, Pup Smith,
Larry Brown. We had playmakers up and down, Tony Cassilias,
and everybody starred in their role. And everybody was happy
and more just overjoyed to be in their role. They
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know who they were. They didn't try to get outside
of who they were. And our defense man our defense
with something people think I don't like, and that's kickers.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Our defense was clut our and our kickers would clutch.
We never not had a clutch kicker.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Now you know, I understand everybody, Oh he kicking at
seventy seventy yards and ninety yards and oh that's great.
But what I'm looking for is, can you tie the
game to send us in the overtime? Can you tie
the game at the halftime, can you tie the game
coming out of halftime? And now can you win the game.
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That's all I care about for a kicker. But defense
and kicking game is what gonna take you over the top.
And that was what our strengths we had. Yeah, we
had a dominant offense. We can run the ball, Troy
can throw with great accuracy. But our defense, that's how
we did the thing.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
From ninety two to ninety six, you were top five
defense and points allowed, fewest points allowed. And I think
four of those five years top five yards allowed.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Didn't them balls, didn't play many.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They took that serious. And that's what I tell people.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
And you look at the Super Bowl today coming up.
You don't have the kid in case, you don't have
Tom Brady or Peyton Manney. You don't have those guys
right now. You have two unproven commodities at quarterback. And
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it's not good for media, it's not good for the
social media.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But what you're seeing now is pure football.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Both these teams are gonna have to run the ball
to save their quarterback and hope that they can give
them three or four good plays, not great plays, but
good plays. During the game. They praying that one of
these young quarterbacks come up big. We never had to
worry about that. We never had to worry about whether
Troy was gonna come up big. Yes he was the
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first player pick, Yes he lived up to his Billy,
But we didn't have to depend on Troy to win
the game. Our defense would light you up and take
over the game, and that was didn't matter who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I remember Rap before Alvan Harper when we went up to.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
California to play the forty nine ers, and Rap before
you know, Avan Harper went on that long.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Catch, that seam route.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Charles Haley had hit Steve Young for a loss and
I think for a fumble.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Charles Haley turned the game around, you know, And we.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Had that just repeatedly, you know, with one of our
guys Woodson to make a play, Ken Norton to make
her play. But we were so caught up in the triplets.
It was about what they done. And I never and
I see football through defensive eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I've always seen it that way. I will always see
it that way.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Because even if you go to the NBA Championships, the
better championship teams have plus defense, and that's that's what's
gonna win this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, this year it's Yeah. They're both top five and
points allowed, both top ten, and yards allowed both top
five and rushing yards mean tough battle.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
The thing that the thing that it does not bother
me that we're not talking about Sam Donald. It does
not bother me that we're not talking about Drake May. Yes,
we do need for one of these young men to
rise up, both of them, so the NFL can continue
with the you know, the lore of hey, you know, uh,
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quarterback play, you know, because that's who's gonna get you know,
somebody gonna get the MVP. Now it's time. My ten
is gonna be a quarterback. But if you're looking to
have great football and all around football super bowls, I
don't like blow up outs unless you enjoyed that one. Yeah,
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But the thing is, you don't want to be able
to leave your seat during the Super Bowl. Uh, you know,
and I'm quite sure Vegas feel the same way. You know,
even though we can't bet that what we about, Uh,
they don't. They don't want you to leave your seat,
you know, they want you to continue to chip away,
you know your yeahs you the online bet yeah seconds, yeah, yeah.
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But hey man, I'm you know, y'all guys got any
question about these Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Man?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Because like I tell people, it ain't hard to break down.
The Patriots are are the Seattle Seahawks. They are so simple. Yes,
they run multiple offenses, multiple but I mean complex offenses.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They can get.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Complex, but due to the lack of experience of quarterbacks.
They can't get too fancy. But the deal is we're
missing on coach Rabel in the in the in the
head coach for was seaous. These are defensive, defensive minded
guys that are always making little adjustments in the game.
You don't see that those adjustments on defense.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's clearly as we see them on offense.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
You know, we you know, Troy or whoever's calling the
game coming say look at this, and they're gonna circle it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But you know, how long will it take for them.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
To say this, this is a cover four, This is
a cover two, this is a cover three, this is
four man, you know, and then they ain't got enough
time to draw up the little interest interest to seeds
of a defense.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They don't have time. You don't have the TV time.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That would be my I guess my big question about
this about the Super Bowl is it's it's always been
a copycat league. It's always been about every three years,
a new way to get.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
To the Super Bowl and win it.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Right Like when mc veigh came in with the Rams,
it was like, oh yeah, you go all in and
here you play for now and this and you know,
and then San Francisco has been doing it a different way,
and you know, the Ravens did it a different way.
Is this gonna be a new Is the league gonna
be like, you know what, maybe we go back to
old school where you don't have to have the elite
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quarterback because there aren't that many elite quarterbacks in the
league right now. There's a there's a you know, I
think three or four years, these younger guys they're gonna
they're gonna figure it out and get there. But right
now they're they're still green.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Is it gonna go back to reset to where it's like,
give me a quarterback that won't lose me the game,
give me a decent running back, give me some good
receivers and a and a really stout defense, and I
can get there.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
The thing and I said this last year, and I
and I went on a lot of shows preaching this,
the league has already changed. Mmm, because you got to understand,
you have four it's been five quarterbacks over the last
ten years that has been in the AFC Championship Game
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or the NFC Championship Game, where the NFC has been
just a flux of different guys. But the AFC is
the same guys every year. Yeah, that's all it's been.
Teams have finally gotten smart, and it has already happened
because you haven't in make Drake may youngest ever to
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be in the Super Bowl. He's not complete, Sam Donald,
it has to prove that he is complete. Look at
the guys they beat. Look at the guys they beat,
and how they each one of them had a different road.
But we had only Josh Allen was the last big
dog standing because everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Else was at home. So this league has already changed.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's like, let me build a team around.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Let's build this team so when we if we happened
to luck up on an elite quarterback, we'll be ready.
A lot of teams have been putting all their eggs
in a basket trying to move up and draft a
quarterback when every year is proven you're lucky better than.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Good for real. I mean, you gotta say Andy Reid.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Was so nervous he moved down to get his guy
at Kansas City. He was not fellas go back do
to history. Was Mahomes highly taunted. Did a lot of
people talk about this kid?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
No? They just I was talking about this kid until
a week before the draft.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Now everybody come on to oh I had him on
my Yeah, you had him on your list.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He was taking too high at the time.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yes, yeah, unless you were a Texas tech fan Texas yes, his.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Mom and daddy. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And so I tell it like right here, teams are
getting small, aren't and saying we have to build. We
have to build our team just in case that guy
falls us, because it's more teams in the middle of
the road than it is at the bottom of the draft.
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And what I mean by that is picking one through five,
one through five, Yeah, they gonna get better after picking
five ten years at one through five.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Detroit, you're gonna get some one day.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
You're gonna get You're gonna have like enough, you know,
first true first round picks.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You you're gonna hit on to hit on something.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
But you're gonna from from from fifteen to thirty two.
You got to have the right GM, with the right coach,
with the one mindset of everybody's doing their job. That's
why I'm not as high as I used to be
about a new head coach, a new position player, because
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I'm saying, with mister Chris Parker, Are you gonna let
him really do his thing? What if he the type
of guy that want to have his players practice. I
need to see you practice. No, we ain't giving no
veteran day off. I want to see you practice. I
need to know you can do this. I need to
know you understand this well.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Around here we do it like you know.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's been a criticism man, that the Cowboys have kind
of chased the trends like oh, let's try this and
let's try this, where they haven't set their own identity.
I hope that's kind of what they're doing now with Shottenheim.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
That has been my besides one to get a big
grease in the middle, ever since we've been doing this
show together. For that's been my biggest Get a big
grease in the middle that can play. But if you don't,
how do you get Some sports you can't get better
at unless you actually do it. Soccer is one of them,
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Football is one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You have to actually do these sports to get better
to build a bond, and we have not over the
last two or three years had people full participant, starting
from OTA's full participant.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
You know, hey, well we're giving this guy a day off.
This guy here banged up this well, coach, you haven't
hit how was he banged up? But I'm just saying now,
I was coming over here and I'm listening at McCaffrey.
You know, he the ground FedEx kid of the year.
You know, he's and and he's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Like the eighth guy listened to for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
He said, a lot of people don't give our head
coach credit because and then they said, what do you mean?
Because of his standard. He's going to demand that you practice.
He's going to demand that you give an all our
effort and no matter, you can't go nowhere but to him,
because he's the standard center. You know, now your your
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your your position. Coaches and your coordinators have no other choice.
That's why he brought Salah back, because Salah understood what
he wanted, and that's why they took a mangled up
defense and made it into the playoffs because the standard
is here. No matter what you're doing here, you got
to get there.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And so well, hell, I was listening to you know
all the radio road. Yeah, on the local stations here.
We're fortunate that we have two good, uh sports talk
radio stations that go out there and and I don't
remember if it was Woody or Terrell Davis, and they
were telling them. They said, if you didn't have a
good week of practice, you didn't play in the game. Yes,
you say, you sat like, if you didn't practice good
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and you didn't have your head on straight, you didn't
was the middle of the road guy.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
There's some guys that are playing.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Yeah, but no, but see this is this is the deal.
When you're drafting. I used to hear coach John's say
a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I like coach Man. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
It's crazy as I was, I used to sit up
and talk to coaches and ask I guess questions everybody
else was scared to, you know, to ask like why
you like that guy?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You know?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
And he would tell me like, hey, this guy here.
I followed him from high school to college. He was
always yeah, he don't have this, but he was always this.
He was always that what that got there. I like
him because he loves the game, and all of his
leaders were that type of got.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Troy loved the game. Emmett loved the game.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
He and I remember talking to him about Charles. He
I said, cod, why you brought Charles Haley in here,
you know, he said. They everybody I talked to him,
you know, they said, yeah, he's quirky.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, he may whip it out.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
And use it on your tire and something crazy. I'm
giving what he gave me, you know. But he didn't
say it as nice as I'm saying. Huh And he said,
I said, well what he said? He said, but to
a man, everybody I talked to I actually, does he
care about winning? He said, that's the only thing. That's
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the only thing, he said, I can deal with the crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I said, yeah, I actually wanted to ask you about that.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yes, hang on, time out. Okay, we have a special
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Hanging with Boys brought you each and every show by
blockchain dot Com. There we go and on the phone
live Jesse Salt and Pepper Poppy from Radio Row.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well you were own Radio Row.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
You had to go upstairs because we hear it's very
crowded out there this year.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Maybe a smaller venue than.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Normal, Yeah, smaller venue than normal Wednesdays and Thursdays are
kind of the zoo days, like it is, just everybody
is kind of artriculated here by then. And the convention
center it's a multi kind of floor convention center, but
the biggest era they have is not big enough for
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all to fit inside. So you'll have like people still
outside that outside and hallways in the conventional what's set
ups and things like that, and it's just it's not
big enough for the amount of people here. Somebody had
their numbers wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, and you and you hear.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You know, I'm a firm believer in h you know,
don't believe everything you read and hear unless you see
it with your own eyes. But I've heard for a
few years now that San Francisco is literally a human urinal.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
You can you can attest to that firsthand.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Yeah, man. And I don't want to crap on a
city too bad, man, But this place is, this place is,
it's not a good place. It's not au. If the
super Bowl doesn't come back here anymore, I would not
be upset at that. And it's just everything. First of all,
it's super expensive. Everything is kind of spread out kind
of far and anything around the convention Center like and
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no people will tell you that live in the Bay Area,
if you if you're anywhere near what they call the Tenderloin,
and not that area of the Tenderloin, but the Tenderloins,
it is.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It is bad.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is bad.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
And you know what, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
That's surprising because one of your dearest and probably fondest
memories of the NFL occurred in that scene.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Yeah, but it was far way from a tender loin.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, all right, right, explain who is?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Have you seen anybody that we know?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You don't get starstruck, but is there anybody that kind
of that you saw this week today?
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I just saw him about fifteen minutes ago,
and my man crushed Monday. Fred. WoT you saw?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Fred?
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Was?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He just as clamorous in person as he is on TV.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
He was man. And the thing about Fred is Fred
is every bit of six foot four, like every bit
of six foot four, and so you know, always good
quoft hair and skin is immaculate. He got it down
on the water, I said, I appreciate a man who
drinking down in the water a day. And he just
looks like a baller, Like he just looks like a
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football player. And uh, he was right next to where
I was set up at and I was tempted to
ask for a picture, but I said, no, it's not
it's not what you do, Jess. But yeah, so he
was the one I was like, that's my dude, that's
a that's uh, that's Fred.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So my my pants would have been jumping then.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Huh, man, I'm telling you, you wouldn't have been able
to up off the table. You had to push way back.
You would have had to push a way back, or
you'd knocked the whole setup off.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Who's the best interview you've had all week?
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Uh? Not even me. Let me just send him, Let
me give my let me give my, my, my, my,
my coworker some credit. Clarence Hill Jr. Is an animals.
I mean I mean that in the best way. Yes,
I mean that in the best way possible. This dude
is insane. He one he knows everybody, and two, when
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it comes to getting an interview or question acts he
does not take no for an answer. And you know,
to start the week off, we were really the only
people to get George Pikett to get Dak Prescott talking
from the Pro Bowl, to get Micah talking from the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And yeah, yeah and uh and so they had these
horns that they blow to get you off the field,
like you know, all right, interviews are over, and they blew.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
The horn at least six times, and Clarence got three
more interviews. Like it was just like he is just
absolutely relentless. But you know, overall, it's just been it's
been a good week. Our buddy Dave Hellman, you know,
former Dallas Cowboys dot com employee. We we talked with
him this morning. Got Woody Uh, Chad had a really
(26:15):
good chat. Ocho Senko Uh was really good. We got
Ceedee Lamb today. So that'll be coming out tomorrow. Michael Irvin,
which by the way, this is just between us girls. Okay,
this is between us girls. I hope no one else
is listening. There may be there may be a part
(26:38):
two of something that Michael and I was evolved in
some years ago. There may be I'm just stuff girl.
Just I'm just saying, just us girls are talking here.
I just I'm just saying, just keep that between us.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Uh, I need to come back.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
I would getting some yea. I was getting some good
check back then, Dad, y'all was getting some real y'all
was getting some really v H one and that eight
Ball production, y'all was getting some nice checks back then.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, it's like, yep, bring it back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I remember that. Thanks for that.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Did c D drop anything on you that was newsworthy
that you can talk about or tease for your show
that's dropping tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I actually didn't listen to the interview. I walked off.
I don't know, man, I did. I walked off off.
I walked off with the.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Word drops around c D. All right, wow, wow, my boy.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Man, Jesse, something we wanted to ask you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
That CD actually uh said that he was he was
fine if George Pickens made more money than him.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Do you think that's true?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Yes, okay, I do. And the reason why I do
think it's true is because I mean CD got all
that he can get in his year, and for him,
he understands that winning brings more money, and so if
that means that George gets slightly above him, then for CD,
(28:25):
he just goes, okay, cool, we got him, we lock
him up, we go and win some We're gonna do
some more things. Now I come up again because I'm not.
My production is not gonna drop like that. I'll come
up again and I'll get more than next time he raised.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I think he raises the bar by for everybody by
getting paid more than him.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Next time his deal comes around, his deal is gonna
be worth more.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
And not only is that because I mean City is
a guy who's you know, Dak's going will be going
into year eleven next year that CD to be going
into year six, right, five or six. These guys haven't
won anything, and I think this year they kind of
felt offensively that this was probably one of the best
overall pieces that they had. And when you look at
(29:05):
the landscape of the National Football League, and I'm sure
CD does, and I'm sure that Dak does, They're looking
around the league and they're saying, if we don't have
this type of duo, we really won't be able to
do anything. So they want to win. I think winning
is as the maturity comes about. Dak has got paid,
CD's got paid. These guys they have the money now.
(29:26):
Now their focus is I can't focus on money anymore
because I got my money. Now, I need to focus
on how can we put the together the best possible team. Uh,
that money can buy that the ownership will allow for
us to actually go and win something. Because it's all
good and well, I get the money, but once you
get it now was and I think I think those guys,
(29:47):
those those those veterans on this football team, like CD,
like Dak, understand now that we have to do. We
have to do to go and win. We got our bread.
Let's go try to win championships.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Now before we let you go. You know you're busy.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Do you like that I'm staying. I'm staying. I'm staying
for the rest of the show. Oh you are segment three.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You gotta get that ten dollars?
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Oh Christy, I carved out time.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh god, okay, well will he just let me know?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Okay, Well, we'll take a break real quick then, since
you're gonna be.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Not true, Chris, I text you segment two and three.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah you did right before you called. Yeah, they were
on the air. Why don't y'll fight about it?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
See you will, I mean, pick is quick. Let's go
all right, take break with it, Jesse. We'll save your
prediction until the.
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So no, Jess, come on, man, I know we said
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the show.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, no, it was a great question, just one one question.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Then I don't know how good it is. But anyway,
I was reading the story recently on Conor McDavid, who's
maybe the best hockey player in the world right now,
and they talk to him about his thing was, I
want to win. That's it. I don't care about all
the other accolades, all this. I want to win.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
I want to win.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's all events for it. And it made me think
like that was at the Team of the nineties, all
the others going on, it's all about we just want
to win. And maybe is that something that's maybe missing today.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
This is what's amazing.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
That's why when I when I look at quarterbacks, I
judge from my quarterbacks, and I'm talking about Steve.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Young's guys of that ilk.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Troy because they wanted they did everything possible to win.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Even you don't think Troy could have threw for three thousand,
four thousand yards.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Every year, you know that Troy had an arm as
powerful and as accurate. Now I don't know about the
quick release as damn Marino. You know, I don't know
about the.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Quick release part. But everything else he was sharp, he
was on time, and he could do it.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
But he gave up a part of his game so
that we can flourish as a run team.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You know he did that.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Man Alway had to figure out, like, you know what,
I don't think this's to two Super Bowls. I got
to give up part of this throwing and running around
and get that ball to the dude that's in the
backfield and let him run. So a lot of guys
will make that sacrifice if you have the right pieces
in place and they can see and you can make
them see the picture.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Look, if we got this defense, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
That suffocates, folks.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
We got we got a running back that's legit, we
got we got tight ends, wide receivers, we got a
complete team. You don't have to win this And once
you learn that, that is why Tom Brady was so great,
because if it took him throwing that ball twenty five
times to the running back, he was gonna do that,
(35:52):
you know. And and if it took like Mahomes did
in his second Super Bowl, hey man, that they want,
you know what, we need to run this ball favor
to win this game.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
He did that.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
The great ones will make with step aside because at.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
The end of the day, we ain't talking about the
running back. We're talking about how great Mahomes is.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
At the end of the day, you know, every and
it is the exception we don't talk about as much
as we talk about Troy.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But you put Troy every.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
I trust stash On don't equal up to this guy's
status to Targe, you know, but his his super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You got no equal up to his Super Bowls either.
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Jesse, do you think do you think today's athlete And
this is kind of a generalization. I don't really like
to do that. But do you think today's athlete with
everything you can be your own podcast guy, you can,
you can, you got, you can be a social media
star and not be that great on the field. You
can have your own YouTube channel. The endorsements, the money,
(36:54):
the fame, the you know, the women. All that's always
been there, but now it's it's magnified. Do you think
back it seems like back in the nineties, in the
in the eighties, like winning was winning was the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That was all that you cared about as an athlete.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Do you think winning is devalue now because you can
still get gratification and you can still get validation and
all that through many more channels than you used to
be able to because if you didn't win, nobody knew
your name. You weren't in the super Bowl, you weren't
in the playoffs. Now you can kind of do your
own thing. Do you think the value of winning has
(37:32):
been diminished?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Yeah, And it's not just pro that's the question. Yes, yes,
but it is not just the proach. I mean, we
have created and built a society where everyone gets a
participation trophy. Everyone should be able to participate. When when
I was when you guys were growing up. When I
(37:55):
was growing up, it wasn't like that. It wasn't like
like you get praised is just because you tried, you know,
or hey, you're on the team, so you know you
should get in. And if you don't get in, I'm
gonna go tell the coach and have Bomby and Daddy
go talk to the coach. And so now we've created
this culture of it's not about winning, it's about everybody
(38:16):
having a good time. Everybody should be able to participate.
And so that has filtered and this is just this
is not a this year thing, but this is built
up over time where the athlete that is now you
know and and and being understands this being is, you know,
help for this his kids football team, and right, and
(38:37):
let a kid not it's probably built into the rules. Now,
oh you got to play this kid, you gotta do this.
And then let a parent not have his their son
not play, you know, in a game or two they're like, oh, well,
you know, little Johnny should be playing in there. You
beat these guys about twenty one points while little Johnny
not in the game. And then you have to ask
yourself the question, you know, you didn't have to ask
(38:58):
yourself the question of little Johnny's not good enough, that's
why little Johnny doesn't play well. That then goes into
high school and it's the same thing, Right, are we winning?
And there's that matter that we're winning because little Johnny's
not playing, and it's safety in college and now in
college it's incentivized because of the nil. And then you
get to the pros and now God's getting to the
(39:18):
pros and it's like, well, winning now today means do
I have the most followers? Do I have a YouTube page?
Is my Instagram popping? Is my TikTok pocket popping? Do
I got my change? My goals? And all that kind
of stuff? And and so we're losing. We're losing, as
Michael would say, we're losing recipes, right, We're losing the
competitive spirit overall. Now you still have some people who
(39:41):
want to compete and win, but the competitive spirit, the
will to win, the want to to win, what looks
like success now didn't look like success back when Nate
was winning championships. What was success when Nate was winning
championships was winning damn championships. Now you could be an
absolute loser, but because you have a million Instagram followers,
(40:01):
or your your your your your YouTube has one hundred
thousand subscribers. You look like a winner. And to the
common eye, people are saying, well, yeah, he had one anything,
but his YouTube page is popping, or you know, his
podcast is popping, and so it definitely has devalued what
(40:22):
the overall winning has or should be. But then for
those who still want to win, and mat made a
great point in saying they built great teams right like
like like, if you want to go win and be successful,
you got to go like your team has to be willing,
Your team's front office people have to be willing to
(40:43):
put the best team out there, because it's it's far
too much talent. Coaching has become so far advanced, and
if you know, if you don't, if you don't get
to a place of being able to compete on the
coaching side as well as the off the side, you
don't just keep finding yourself with really good players who
(41:03):
will make some players, but you'll never be successful because
you just don't have the physical makeup and the team
makeup to go and win.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
It though the mental makeup is so great, and you know,
you listen to other players on other teams and winning teams.
And ain't talking about just teams that pop up here
and there. I'm talking about teams that do it year
in and year out, competing hard, playing hard. Everybody's on
(41:32):
the same page. What are you going to do today
to improve yourself? A lot of a lot of guys
that you say, you know, you know, we've had it
here where you guys running at halftime and checking.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
They they these phones.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
How can you run in at halftime and check your
phone when this dude just took you ninety.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yards on a bomb? How can you check your phone?
And and and we and we are part of the
hypocrisy too, Is that's the word?
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Because we, yeah, we sit up and say, oh that's okay,
that's all right, you know we we are a part
of that. Oh he's a good guy. You know, I've
done shows when people say be careful, he he is.
I'm like, man, I don't care, you.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
Know, he he.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I mean, if you long on the player, you're a
bad person.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
And I'm saying this because I'm talking about I'm trying
me and Jessy, not you two guys.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
If me and Jessee sit up and li on a
guy when we know better. That's bad.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
But when we tell the truth, that's great. Now, we
got to present it the right way. You know, we
ain't trying to slaughter this guy or discredit this guy.
We're telling you what we saw on film. Don't come
at us because you can't dissect the film correctly, you know,
because you blinded by X Are you blinded by Instagram?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You know? So I'm with you, Jess, I'm with you
one hundred percent.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
We have to as parents and as adults that deal
with kids, let them stand in their place. You know,
when we were growing up, and I was a little Johnny,
and and and Jesse.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Was little Johnny.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
When you wasn't good enough to play football, you went
and found another sport because we weren't gonna waste all
the money. You spend more money on participation trophies. You know,
take that money and put it towards helping the team win,
and let little Johnny and Barbara Sue go play another sport.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Maybe you're good at the band, you.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
Know, Quit trying to live through your kids, parents. Yeah,
that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
All right, good stuff, fellas man.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I wish we had another two hours to do this,
but I had a stird to tell.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
But you know we ain't got tired.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Remember was talking about one minute.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Nobody is after us.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, no, Chris got to get home, mane he got.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Hates, got somewhere to be.
Speaker 13 (44:06):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
He's just he's just you.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
Hey, tell Clarence, but good job, man, tell him, great job.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
I mean that's a contract here for Clarence. You know
he's working.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
The truth comes out.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Contract.
Speaker 8 (44:24):
Yeah, for Chill. He look at he looking at them,
just saying, I got I got kids in college. He's
trying to He's trying to get it right now. I'm
not messing. But it is contract here for him. But
he's a beast man. He gets it done.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Jesse, what do you one? Do you like this matchup
this weekend?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And then give us your score prediction?
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (44:44):
I think I don't hate the matchup. I mean it's
not the most exciting matchup. I don't think you're going
to get like a high flying, you know super Bowl
that we'll look back on and go, oh my god,
that Super Bowl sixty whatever number were on now was
just the greatest thing ever. It'll be good. Of course,
my bias right is always with my tar heels. And
(45:06):
so I would love to have Drake May go and
win a super Bowl, but he has to play better
than he's played his last three weeks because he's going
up against a really good defense. But I do think
Seattle edges it out in a tight game to win
a super Bowl. And just because I'm messy Jesse, I
just can't wait to see take long as unleashed. Until
I told y'all to all the people who said that
(45:28):
he wouldn't get a super Bowl when he went to Seattle, you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Want to give us a score or you're gonna hold
off on.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
Oh yeah, give me, give me to give me Seahawks
twenty three seventeen, twenty three seventeen.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Kurt, I know everybody's the Seahawks a big favorite, but.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I mean Seahawks about four and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
The thing the goes to the past, that Patriots gonna rise.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
The Patriots are second points four and four points again
take them. I'm going with Seattle. It's going to be
closer than people O. What's just I'll say Patriots, I
mean Seattle Winnesday twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Four, twenty seven, twenty believe in his name.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I just think it's gonna be closer.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
I'm an NFC man. It's always been NFC man. Yeah,
you can put Elvis what ever.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I just put a check mark by said, yeah, Chris,
what do you got.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Beam?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Come in, Beam, hold on, I gotta turn down some stuff.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
With you and there watching bad buddy.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, I'm not getting familiar. Now, Olympics, let's go with
I'm gonna go with Patriots. Let's go with Patriots. Okay, score, score,
let's go. Let's go twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty seven game Winter.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
I'm going to go Seattle just because one of my
best friends is a huge Boston sports fan, and I
do not want to hear about the Patriots for the
next year and how Drake May is the second coming
of Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And have to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
So I'm going to say I think it's going to
be a barn burner, because everybody thinks it's going to
be a defensive game.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Thirty one to thirty Seattle, so we will see. And
quick question for you guys before we get out of here.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
With the way these two teams are built, we were
talking about this a little early Jesse with being a
copycat League. I think this shows that the business side
of football is becoming even more and more important than
the players on Obviously the players play the game, but
the way you assemble teams and work the salary cap
and look at how they treated Russell Wilson in Seattle
(47:35):
and then Denver and got rid of him and ate
the contract and then re started with these younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Do you think this is a just.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
A weird three or four years where we're in a
transition from the old guard to the new guard at
quarterback where you had the superstar quarterback and you built
a team around them.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Or do you think maybe this.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Is a new way of doing business to where give
me a quarterback with a decent to small contract and
I'll build the team around and that can get us there.
Do you think this is a new way of doing
business or just a weird place where there's not those
elite quarterbacks to grab up right now and build teams around.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
I think I think we're in that spot where there
isn't just enough elite quarterbacks to go around right now.
Because you play this game of football, you don't have
a quarterback, you ain't got nothing, but you do have
a herd of coach that are understanding. Now, if I
can't get an elite one, if I can get a
really good one, then I can just build everything around
(48:32):
them and then have them be you know, risk averse
and can probably win out you know, a lot more
games there. But you want, if you can trust and
believe you're me, you want elite quarterback play if it's
possible to obtain.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Okay, I just wondered if it was something new or
if this was.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Just just what I was telling me is already here.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
It's already here because it's five quarterbacks we talk about
every year and it hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
We've added Dak, We've added Dak that to that quarterback conversation.
It hasn't changed.
Speaker 7 (49:10):
So teams are forced, whether they want to or not,
to build until they get that opportunity, because, like I
was saying to these guys, the top five teams, you
get that top five talent, but from fifteen to thirty two,
you're gonna have to have the right play off personnel.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Guy, You're gonna have to have the right scouts going.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
Out, you know, trying to build build some build a foundation.
You got to because if you're waiting on your quarterback,
and you giving all your draft picks from trying to
move up to get this guy, and he's not what
you think he is. Like you say, the Jets have
been doing forever, Detroit did until they got Dan Campbell.
You're gonna be just going over the same thing every year.
(49:54):
So I'm not trading my picks. I'm using my picks,
and I'm making sure these guys love and want to
be football players, you know, instead of rappers.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I heard. Do you know, man, we don't need most
talented guys, we need football players. You a great chest.
Speaker 8 (50:11):
All listen. I saw Fred one of the day. That's
a football player right there. More like him, more like him?
Speaker 13 (50:19):
All right?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Well, Jesse, watch where you step when you walk outside.
Make sure you don't get make sure you don't get nothing.
Speaker 7 (50:24):
To make sure you don't wind up in the bait
all they they lost a lot of guys out there
trying to escape.
Speaker 8 (50:30):
You would know better than I do.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh yes, sir, I do know. I know, Bros.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
I go to San Francisco, I get a little shaky,
be safe on.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
The way back.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Jesse will see you next week. We'll recap the Super Bowl.
Start talking about the draft, Nate, I think you're out.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Next week, right maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, I mean I am all right, so we'll have three.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Maybe as all.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
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Jesse's out in San Frano radio row. He may or
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the last time the Dallas Cowboys were in the Super Bowl,
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and our friend Nate played in this exact game. Yes,
what was so Atlanta from a social standpoint, was the
best Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What was the best.
Speaker 7 (02:42):
Team you played on? Which team was the best at first? Maan,
Yeah that first, man, We could have put it, I
don't care you could. We could have got Green Bay
in the Ice Bowl with a crush.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah that you think y'all were the best team ever? Really? Ever,
that's a bold statement. Who is going to be so
that's a great point.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
Some of them Stiller teams would have would have hung
in there with us, but yeah, we'd have eventually started.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
We'd offense got them in the end.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
What was y'all? What was the strongest you know?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
And obviously we've all while I'm about halfway through the
Netflix series, but just there hasn't been a story that
I haven't heard yet, but to hear it from the
guys put kind of a different spin on it. But
what was the what was the strongest part of y'all's game?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The defense? Was it offense? Was it offensive line? Was
it running the ball? Was it passing the ball?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Was it You can tome.
Speaker 7 (03:35):
Back and check when we when we started those Super
Bowl runs, our defenses were always top five. That's why
you hear me say people, you know people this. This
is what's funny to me is people thought if we
were a top fifteen or twenty defensively ranked, or we
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would go far. I didn't buy into that last year.
It takes much more than that. You're gonna you know,
you're gonna have to have a dominant defense. And don't
get me wrong, everybody scores. It's when you score and
when you don't score that makes the difference. Can your
guys stand up. And we had Charles Haley, Tony Tobert,
(04:23):
Darren Woodson, Ken Norton, Deon Sanders at one point, Pup Smith,
Larry Brown. We had playmakers up and down, Tony Cassilias,
and everybody starred in their role. And everybody was happy
and more just overjoyed to be in their role. They
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know who they were. They didn't try to get outside
of who they were. And our defense man our defense
with something people think I don't like, and that's kickers.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Our defense was clut our and our kickers would clutch.
We never not had a clutch kicker.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Now you know, I understand everybody, Oh he kicking at
seventy seventy yards and ninety yards and oh that's great.
But what I'm looking for is, can you tie the
game to send us in the overtime? Can you tie
the game at the halftime, can you tie the game
coming out of halftime? And now can you win the game.
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That's all I care about for a kicker. But defense
and kicking game is what gonna take you over the top.
And that was what our strengths we had. Yeah, we
had a dominant offense. We can run the ball, Troy
can throw with great accuracy. But our defense, that's how
we did the thing.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
From ninety two to ninety six, you were top five
defense and points allowed, fewest points allowed. And I think
four of those five years top five yards allowed.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Didn't them balls, didn't play many.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They took that serious. And that's what I tell people.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
And you look at the Super Bowl today coming up.
You don't have the kid in case, you don't have
Tom Brady or Peyton Manney. You don't have those guys
right now. You have two unproven commodities at quarterback. And
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it's not good for media, it's not good for the
social media.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
But what you're seeing now is pure football.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Both these teams are gonna have to run the ball
to save their quarterback and hope that they can give
them three or four good plays, not great plays, but
good plays. During the game. They praying that one of
these young quarterbacks come up big. We never had to
worry about that. We never had to worry about whether
Troy was gonna come up big. Yes he was the
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first player pick, Yes he lived up to his Billy,
But we didn't have to depend on Troy to win
the game. Our defense would light you up and take
over the game, and that was didn't matter who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I remember Rap before Alvan Harper when we went up to.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
California to play the forty nine ers, and Rap before
you know, Avan Harper went on that long.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Catch, that seam route.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Charles Haley had hit Steve Young for a loss and
I think for a fumble.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Charles Haley turned the game around, you know, And we.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Had that just repeatedly, you know, with one of our
guys Woodson to make a play, Ken Norton to make
her play. But we were so caught up in the triplets.
It was about what they done. And I never and
I see football through defensive eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I've always seen it that way. I will always see
it that way.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Because even if you go to the NBA Championships, the
better championship teams have plus defense, and that's that's what's
gonna win this thing.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, this year it's Yeah. They're both top five and
points allowed, both top ten, and yards allowed both top
five and rushing yards mean tough battle.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
The thing that the thing that it does not bother
me that we're not talking about Sam Donald. It does
not bother me that we're not talking about Drake May. Yes,
we do need for one of these young men to
rise up, both of them, so the NFL can continue
with the you know, the lore of hey, you know, uh,
(08:45):
quarterback play, you know, because that's who's gonna get you know,
somebody gonna get the MVP. Now it's time. My ten
is gonna be a quarterback. But if you're looking to
have great football and all around football super bowls, I
don't like blow up outs unless you enjoyed that one. Yeah,
(09:05):
But the thing is, you don't want to be able
to leave your seat during the Super Bowl. Uh, you know,
and I'm quite sure Vegas feel the same way. You know,
even though we can't bet that what we about, Uh,
they don't. They don't want you to leave your seat,
you know, they want you to continue to chip away,
you know your yeahs you the online bet yeah seconds, yeah, yeah.
(09:32):
But hey man, I'm you know, y'all guys got any
question about these Super Bowls?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Man?
Speaker 7 (09:36):
Because like I tell people, it ain't hard to break down.
The Patriots are are the Seattle Seahawks. They are so simple. Yes,
they run multiple offenses, multiple but I mean complex offenses.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They can get.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Complex, but due to the lack of experience of quarterbacks.
They can't get too fancy. But the deal is we're
missing on coach Rabel in the in the in the
head coach for was seaous. These are defensive, defensive minded
guys that are always making little adjustments in the game.
You don't see that those adjustments on defense.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's clearly as we see them on offense.
Speaker 7 (10:19):
You know, we you know, Troy or whoever's calling the
game coming say look at this, and they're gonna circle it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
But you know, how long will it take for them.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
To say this, this is a cover four, This is
a cover two, this is a cover three, this is
four man, you know, and then they ain't got enough
time to draw up the little interest interest to seeds
of a defense.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They don't have time. You don't have the TV time.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That would be my I guess my big question about
this about the Super Bowl is it's it's always been
a copycat league. It's always been about every three years,
a new way to get.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
To the Super Bowl and win it.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Right Like when mc veigh came in with the Rams,
it was like, oh yeah, you go all in and
here you play for now and this and you know,
and then San Francisco has been doing it a different way,
and you know, the Ravens did it a different way.
Is this gonna be a new Is the league gonna
be like, you know what, maybe we go back to
old school where you don't have to have the elite
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quarterback because there aren't that many elite quarterbacks in the
league right now. There's a there's a you know, I
think three or four years, these younger guys they're gonna
they're gonna figure it out and get there. But right
now they're they're still green.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Is it gonna go back to reset to where it's like,
give me a quarterback that won't lose me the game,
give me a decent running back, give me some good
receivers and a and a really stout defense, and I
can get there.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
The thing and I said this last year, and I
and I went on a lot of shows preaching this,
the league has already changed. Mmm, because you got to understand,
you have four it's been five quarterbacks over the last
ten years that has been in the AFC Championship Game
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or the NFC Championship Game, where the NFC has been
just a flux of different guys. But the AFC is
the same guys every year. Yeah, that's all it's been.
Teams have finally gotten smart, and it has already happened
because you haven't in make Drake may youngest ever to
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be in the Super Bowl. He's not complete, Sam Donald,
it has to prove that he is complete. Look at
the guys they beat. Look at the guys they beat,
and how they each one of them had a different road.
But we had only Josh Allen was the last big
dog standing because everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Else was at home. So this league has already changed.
Speaker 8 (12:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's like, let me build a team around.
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Let's build this team so when we if we happened
to luck up on an elite quarterback, we'll be ready.
A lot of teams have been putting all their eggs
in a basket trying to move up and draft a
quarterback when every year is proven you're lucky better than.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Good for real. I mean, you gotta say Andy Reid.
Speaker 7 (13:25):
Was so nervous he moved down to get his guy
at Kansas City. He was not fellas go back do
to history. Was Mahomes highly taunted. Did a lot of
people talk about this kid?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
No? They just I was talking about this kid until
a week before the draft.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Now everybody come on to oh I had him on
my Yeah, you had him on your list.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He was taking too high at the time.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yes, yeah, unless you were a Texas tech fan Texas yes, his.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Mom and daddy. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And so I tell it like right here, teams are
getting small, aren't and saying we have to build. We
have to build our team just in case that guy
falls us, because it's more teams in the middle of
the road than it is at the bottom of the draft.
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And what I mean by that is picking one through five,
one through five, Yeah, they gonna get better after picking
five ten years at one through five.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Detroit, you're gonna get some one day.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
You're gonna get You're gonna have like enough, you know,
first true first round picks.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
You you're gonna hit on to hit on something.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
But you're gonna from from from fifteen to thirty two.
You got to have the right GM, with the right coach,
with the one mindset of everybody's doing their job. That's
why I'm not as high as I used to be
about a new head coach, a new position player, because
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I'm saying, with mister Chris Parker, Are you gonna let
him really do his thing? What if he the type
of guy that want to have his players practice. I
need to see you practice. No, we ain't giving no
veteran day off. I want to see you practice. I
need to know you can do this. I need to
know you understand this well.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Around here we do it like you know.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
That's been a criticism man, that the Cowboys have kind
of chased the trends like oh, let's try this and
let's try this, where they haven't set their own identity.
I hope that's kind of what they're doing now with Shottenheim.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
That has been my besides one to get a big
grease in the middle, ever since we've been doing this
show together. For that's been my biggest Get a big
grease in the middle that can play. But if you don't,
how do you get Some sports you can't get better
at unless you actually do it. Soccer is one of them,
(15:58):
Football is one of them.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You have to actually do these sports to get better
to build a bond, and we have not over the
last two or three years had people full participant, starting
from OTA's full participant.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
You know, hey, well we're giving this guy a day off.
This guy here banged up this well, coach, you haven't
hit how was he banged up? But I'm just saying now,
I was coming over here and I'm listening at McCaffrey.
You know, he the ground FedEx kid of the year.
You know, he's and and he's.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Like the eighth guy listened to for the forty nine ers.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
He said, a lot of people don't give our head
coach credit because and then they said, what do you mean?
Because of his standard. He's going to demand that you practice.
He's going to demand that you give an all our
effort and no matter, you can't go nowhere but to him,
because he's the standard center. You know, now your your
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your your position. Coaches and your coordinators have no other choice.
That's why he brought Salah back, because Salah understood what
he wanted, and that's why they took a mangled up
defense and made it into the playoffs because the standard
is here. No matter what you're doing here, you got
to get there.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
And so well, hell, I was listening to you know
all the radio road. Yeah, on the local stations here.
We're fortunate that we have two good, uh sports talk
radio stations that go out there and and I don't
remember if it was Woody or Terrell Davis, and they
were telling them. They said, if you didn't have a
good week of practice, you didn't play in the game. Yes,
you say, you sat like, if you didn't practice good
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and you didn't have your head on straight, you didn't
was the middle of the road guy.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
There's some guys that are playing.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Yeah, but no, but see this is this is the deal.
When you're drafting. I used to hear coach John's say
a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I like coach Man. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
It's crazy as I was, I used to sit up
and talk to coaches and ask I guess questions everybody
else was scared to, you know, to ask like why
you like that guy?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
You know?
Speaker 7 (18:14):
And he would tell me like, hey, this guy here.
I followed him from high school to college. He was
always yeah, he don't have this, but he was always this.
He was always that what that got there. I like
him because he loves the game, and all of his
leaders were that type of got.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Troy loved the game. Emmett loved the game.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
He and I remember talking to him about Charles. He
I said, cod, why you brought Charles Haley in here,
you know, he said. They everybody I talked to him,
you know, they said, yeah, he's quirky.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, he may whip it out.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
And use it on your tire and something crazy. I'm
giving what he gave me, you know. But he didn't
say it as nice as I'm saying. Huh And he said,
I said, well what he said? He said, but to
a man, everybody I talked to I actually, does he
care about winning? He said, that's the only thing. That's
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the only thing, he said, I can deal with the crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I said, yeah, I actually wanted to ask you about that.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
Yes, hang on, time out. Okay, we have a special
call in, guest. Oh, but we got to take a
break before we get to him. Write that thought now
because this is great stuff. We'll be right back and
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Hanging with Boys brought you each and every show by
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live Jesse Salt and Pepper Poppy from Radio Row.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Well you were own Radio Row.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
You had to go upstairs because we hear it's very
crowded out there this year.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Maybe a smaller venue than.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Normal, Yeah, smaller venue than normal Wednesdays and Thursdays are
kind of the zoo days, like it is, just everybody
is kind of artriculated here by then. And the convention
center it's a multi kind of floor convention center, but
the biggest era they have is not big enough for
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all to fit inside. So you'll have like people still
outside that outside and hallways in the conventional what's set
ups and things like that, and it's just it's not
big enough for the amount of people here. Somebody had
their numbers wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, and you and you hear.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
You know, I'm a firm believer in h you know,
don't believe everything you read and hear unless you see
it with your own eyes. But I've heard for a
few years now that San Francisco is literally a human urinal.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
You can you can attest to that firsthand.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Yeah, man. And I don't want to crap on a
city too bad, man, But this place is, this place is,
it's not a good place. It's not au. If the
super Bowl doesn't come back here anymore, I would not
be upset at that. And it's just everything. First of all,
it's super expensive. Everything is kind of spread out kind
of far and anything around the convention Center like and
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no people will tell you that live in the Bay Area,
if you if you're anywhere near what they call the Tenderloin,
and not that area of the Tenderloin, but the Tenderloins,
it is.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It is bad.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
It is bad.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
And you know what, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
That's surprising because one of your dearest and probably fondest
memories of the NFL occurred in that scene.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Yeah, but it was far way from a tender loin.
I can tell you that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Okay, all right, right, explain who is?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Who is?
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Have you seen anybody that we know?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You don't get starstruck, but is there anybody that kind
of that you saw this week today?
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Yeah? Yeah, I just saw him about fifteen minutes ago,
and my man crushed Monday. Fred. WoT you saw?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Fred?
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Was?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
He just as clamorous in person as he is on TV.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
He was man. And the thing about Fred is Fred
is every bit of six foot four, like every bit
of six foot four, and so you know, always good
quoft hair and skin is immaculate. He got it down
on the water, I said, I appreciate a man who
drinking down in the water a day. And he just
looks like a baller, Like he just looks like a
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football player. And uh, he was right next to where
I was set up at and I was tempted to
ask for a picture, but I said, no, it's not
it's not what you do, Jess. But yeah, so he
was the one I was like, that's my dude, that's
a that's uh, that's Fred.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
So my my pants would have been jumping then.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Huh, man, I'm telling you, you wouldn't have been able
to up off the table. You had to push way back.
You would have had to push a way back, or
you'd knocked the whole setup off.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Who's the best interview you've had all week?
Speaker 8 (24:57):
Uh? Not even me. Let me just send him, Let
me give my let me give my, my, my, my,
my coworker some credit. Clarence Hill Jr. Is an animals.
I mean I mean that in the best way. Yes,
I mean that in the best way possible. This dude
is insane. He one he knows everybody, and two, when
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it comes to getting an interview or question acts he
does not take no for an answer. And you know,
to start the week off, we were really the only
people to get George Pikett to get Dak Prescott talking
from the Pro Bowl, to get Micah talking from the
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
And yeah, yeah and uh and so they had these
horns that they blow to get you off the field,
like you know, all right, interviews are over, and they blew.
Speaker 8 (25:53):
The horn at least six times, and Clarence got three
more interviews. Like it was just like he is just
absolutely relentless. But you know, overall, it's just been it's
been a good week. Our buddy Dave Hellman, you know,
former Dallas Cowboys dot com employee. We we talked with
him this morning. Got Woody Uh, Chad had a really
(26:15):
good chat. Ocho Senko Uh was really good. We got
Ceedee Lamb today. So that'll be coming out tomorrow. Michael Irvin,
which by the way, this is just between us girls. Okay,
this is between us girls. I hope no one else
is listening. There may be there may be a part
(26:38):
two of something that Michael and I was evolved in
some years ago. There may be I'm just stuff girl.
Just I'm just saying, just us girls are talking here.
I just I'm just saying, just keep that between us.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Uh, I need to come back.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
I would getting some yea. I was getting some good
check back then, Dad, y'all was getting some real y'all
was getting some really v H one and that eight
Ball production, y'all was getting some nice checks back then.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, it's like, yep, bring it back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I remember that. Thanks for that.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Did c D drop anything on you that was newsworthy
that you can talk about or tease for your show
that's dropping tomorrow.
Speaker 8 (27:29):
I actually didn't listen to the interview. I walked off.
I don't know, man, I did. I walked off off.
I walked off with the.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Word drops around c D. All right, wow, wow, my boy.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Man, Jesse, something we wanted to ask you.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
That CD actually uh said that he was he was
fine if George Pickens made more money than him.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Do you think that's true?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Yes, okay, I do. And the reason why I do
think it's true is because I mean CD got all
that he can get in his year, and for him,
he understands that winning brings more money, and so if
that means that George gets slightly above him, then for CD,
(28:25):
he just goes, okay, cool, we got him, we lock
him up, we go and win some We're gonna do
some more things. Now I come up again because I'm not.
My production is not gonna drop like that. I'll come
up again and I'll get more than next time he raised.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
I think he raises the bar by for everybody by
getting paid more than him.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Next time his deal comes around, his deal is gonna
be worth more.
Speaker 8 (28:45):
And not only is that because I mean City is
a guy who's you know, Dak's going will be going
into year eleven next year that CD to be going
into year six, right, five or six. These guys haven't
won anything, and I think this year they kind of
felt offensively that this was probably one of the best
overall pieces that they had. And when you look at
(29:05):
the landscape of the National Football League, and I'm sure
CD does, and I'm sure that Dak does, They're looking
around the league and they're saying, if we don't have
this type of duo, we really won't be able to
do anything. So they want to win. I think winning
is as the maturity comes about. Dak has got paid,
CD's got paid. These guys they have the money now.
(29:26):
Now their focus is I can't focus on money anymore
because I got my money. Now, I need to focus
on how can we put the together the best possible team. Uh,
that money can buy that the ownership will allow for
us to actually go and win something. Because it's all
good and well, I get the money, but once you
get it now was and I think I think those guys,
(29:47):
those those those veterans on this football team, like CD,
like Dak, understand now that we have to do. We
have to do to go and win. We got our bread.
Let's go try to win championships.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Now before we let you go. You know you're busy.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Do you like that I'm staying. I'm staying. I'm staying
for the rest of the show. Oh you are segment three.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You gotta get that ten dollars?
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Oh Christy, I carved out time.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh god, okay, well will he just let me know?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Okay, Well, we'll take a break real quick then, since
you're gonna be.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Not true, Chris, I text you segment two and three.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah you did right before you called. Yeah, they were
on the air. Why don't y'll fight about it?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
See you will, I mean, pick is quick. Let's go
all right, take break with it, Jesse. We'll save your
prediction until the.
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So no, Jess, come on, man, I know we said
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the show.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, no, it was a great question, just one one question.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Then I don't know how good it is. But anyway,
I was reading the story recently on Conor McDavid, who's
maybe the best hockey player in the world right now,
and they talk to him about his thing was, I
want to win. That's it. I don't care about all
the other accolades, all this. I want to win.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
I want to win.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
That's all events for it. And it made me think
like that was at the Team of the nineties, all
the others going on, it's all about we just want
to win. And maybe is that something that's maybe missing today.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
This is what's amazing.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
That's why when I when I look at quarterbacks, I
judge from my quarterbacks, and I'm talking about Steve.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Young's guys of that ilk.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Troy because they wanted they did everything possible to win.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Even you don't think Troy could have threw for three thousand,
four thousand yards.
Speaker 7 (34:40):
Every year, you know that Troy had an arm as
powerful and as accurate. Now I don't know about the
quick release as damn Marino. You know, I don't know
about the.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Quick release part. But everything else he was sharp, he
was on time, and he could do it.
Speaker 7 (34:58):
But he gave up a part of his game so
that we can flourish as a run team.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You know he did that.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Man Alway had to figure out, like, you know what,
I don't think this's to two Super Bowls. I got
to give up part of this throwing and running around
and get that ball to the dude that's in the
backfield and let him run. So a lot of guys
will make that sacrifice if you have the right pieces
in place and they can see and you can make
them see the picture.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Look, if we got this defense, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
That suffocates, folks.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
We got we got a running back that's legit, we
got we got tight ends, wide receivers, we got a
complete team. You don't have to win this And once
you learn that, that is why Tom Brady was so great,
because if it took him throwing that ball twenty five
times to the running back, he was gonna do that,
(35:52):
you know. And and if it took like Mahomes did
in his second Super Bowl, hey man, that they want,
you know what, we need to run this ball favor
to win this game.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
He did that.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
The great ones will make with step aside because at.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
The end of the day, we ain't talking about the
running back. We're talking about how great Mahomes is.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
At the end of the day, you know, every and
it is the exception we don't talk about as much
as we talk about Troy.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
But you put Troy every.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
I trust stash On don't equal up to this guy's
status to Targe, you know, but his his super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You got no equal up to his Super Bowls either.
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Jesse, do you think do you think today's athlete And
this is kind of a generalization. I don't really like
to do that. But do you think today's athlete with
everything you can be your own podcast guy, you can,
you can, you got, you can be a social media
star and not be that great on the field. You
can have your own YouTube channel. The endorsements, the money,
(36:54):
the fame, the you know, the women. All that's always
been there, but now it's it's magnified. Do you think
back it seems like back in the nineties, in the
in the eighties, like winning was winning was the thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
That was all that you cared about as an athlete.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Do you think winning is devalue now because you can
still get gratification and you can still get validation and
all that through many more channels than you used to
be able to because if you didn't win, nobody knew
your name. You weren't in the super Bowl, you weren't
in the playoffs. Now you can kind of do your
own thing. Do you think the value of winning has
(37:32):
been diminished?
Speaker 8 (37:34):
Yeah, And it's not just pro that's the question. Yes, yes,
but it is not just the proach. I mean, we
have created and built a society where everyone gets a
participation trophy. Everyone should be able to participate. When when
I was when you guys were growing up. When I
(37:55):
was growing up, it wasn't like that. It wasn't like
like you get praised is just because you tried, you know,
or hey, you're on the team, so you know you
should get in. And if you don't get in, I'm
gonna go tell the coach and have Bomby and Daddy
go talk to the coach. And so now we've created
this culture of it's not about winning, it's about everybody
(38:16):
having a good time. Everybody should be able to participate.
And so that has filtered and this is just this
is not a this year thing, but this is built
up over time where the athlete that is now you
know and and and being understands this being is, you know,
help for this his kids football team, and right, and
(38:37):
let a kid not it's probably built into the rules. Now,
oh you got to play this kid, you gotta do this.
And then let a parent not have his their son
not play, you know, in a game or two they're like, oh, well,
you know, little Johnny should be playing in there. You
beat these guys about twenty one points while little Johnny
not in the game. And then you have to ask
yourself the question, you know, you didn't have to ask
(38:58):
yourself the question of little Johnny's not good enough, that's
why little Johnny doesn't play well. That then goes into
high school and it's the same thing, Right, are we winning?
And there's that matter that we're winning because little Johnny's
not playing, and it's safety in college and now in
college it's incentivized because of the nil. And then you
get to the pros and now God's getting to the
(39:18):
pros and it's like, well, winning now today means do
I have the most followers? Do I have a YouTube page?
Is my Instagram popping? Is my TikTok pocket popping? Do
I got my change? My goals? And all that kind
of stuff? And and so we're losing. We're losing, as
Michael would say, we're losing recipes, right, We're losing the
competitive spirit overall. Now you still have some people who
(39:41):
want to compete and win, but the competitive spirit, the
will to win, the want to to win, what looks
like success now didn't look like success back when Nate
was winning championships. What was success when Nate was winning
championships was winning damn championships. Now you could be an
absolute loser, but because you have a million Instagram followers,
(40:01):
or your your your your your YouTube has one hundred
thousand subscribers. You look like a winner. And to the
common eye, people are saying, well, yeah, he had one anything,
but his YouTube page is popping, or you know, his
podcast is popping, and so it definitely has devalued what
(40:22):
the overall winning has or should be. But then for
those who still want to win, and mat made a
great point in saying they built great teams right like
like like, if you want to go win and be successful,
you got to go like your team has to be willing,
Your team's front office people have to be willing to
(40:43):
put the best team out there, because it's it's far
too much talent. Coaching has become so far advanced, and
if you know, if you don't, if you don't get
to a place of being able to compete on the
coaching side as well as the off the side, you
don't just keep finding yourself with really good players who
(41:03):
will make some players, but you'll never be successful because
you just don't have the physical makeup and the team
makeup to go and win.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
It though the mental makeup is so great, and you know,
you listen to other players on other teams and winning teams.
And ain't talking about just teams that pop up here
and there. I'm talking about teams that do it year
in and year out, competing hard, playing hard. Everybody's on
(41:32):
the same page. What are you going to do today
to improve yourself? A lot of a lot of guys
that you say, you know, you know, we've had it
here where you guys running at halftime and checking.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
They they these phones.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
How can you run in at halftime and check your
phone when this dude just took you ninety.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yards on a bomb? How can you check your phone?
And and and we and we are part of the
hypocrisy too, Is that's the word?
Speaker 7 (42:07):
Because we, yeah, we sit up and say, oh that's okay,
that's all right, you know we we are a part
of that. Oh he's a good guy. You know, I've
done shows when people say be careful, he he is.
I'm like, man, I don't care, you.
Speaker 8 (42:23):
Know, he he.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I mean, if you long on the player, you're a
bad person.
Speaker 7 (42:29):
And I'm saying this because I'm talking about I'm trying
me and Jessy, not you two guys.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
If me and Jessee sit up and li on a
guy when we know better. That's bad.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
But when we tell the truth, that's great. Now, we
got to present it the right way. You know, we
ain't trying to slaughter this guy or discredit this guy.
We're telling you what we saw on film. Don't come
at us because you can't dissect the film correctly, you know,
because you blinded by X Are you blinded by Instagram?
Speaker 1 (43:01):
You know? So I'm with you, Jess, I'm with you
one hundred percent.
Speaker 12 (43:05):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
We have to as parents and as adults that deal
with kids, let them stand in their place. You know,
when we were growing up, and I was a little Johnny,
and and and Jesse.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Was little Johnny.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
When you wasn't good enough to play football, you went
and found another sport because we weren't gonna waste all
the money. You spend more money on participation trophies. You know,
take that money and put it towards helping the team win,
and let little Johnny and Barbara Sue go play another sport.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Maybe you're good at the band, you.
Speaker 7 (43:44):
Know, Quit trying to live through your kids, parents. Yeah,
that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
All right, good stuff, fellas man.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I wish we had another two hours to do this,
but I had a stird to tell.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
But you know we ain't got tired.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Remember was talking about one minute.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Nobody is after us.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
No, no, Chris got to get home, mane he got.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Hates, got somewhere to be.
Speaker 13 (44:06):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
He's just he's just you.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
Hey, tell Clarence, but good job, man, tell him, great job.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
I mean that's a contract here for Clarence. You know
he's working.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
The truth comes out.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Contract.
Speaker 8 (44:24):
Yeah, for Chill. He look at he looking at them,
just saying, I got I got kids in college. He's
trying to He's trying to get it right now. I'm
not messing. But it is contract here for him. But
he's a beast man. He gets it done.
Speaker 5 (44:35):
Jesse, what do you one? Do you like this matchup
this weekend?
Speaker 2 (44:39):
And then give us your score prediction?
Speaker 5 (44:42):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (44:44):
I think I don't hate the matchup. I mean it's
not the most exciting matchup. I don't think you're going
to get like a high flying, you know super Bowl
that we'll look back on and go, oh my god,
that Super Bowl sixty whatever number were on now was
just the greatest thing ever. It'll be good. Of course,
my bias right is always with my tar heels. And
(45:06):
so I would love to have Drake May go and
win a super Bowl, but he has to play better
than he's played his last three weeks because he's going
up against a really good defense. But I do think
Seattle edges it out in a tight game to win
a super Bowl. And just because I'm messy Jesse, I
just can't wait to see take long as unleashed. Until
I told y'all to all the people who said that
(45:28):
he wouldn't get a super Bowl when he went to Seattle, you.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Want to give us a score or you're gonna hold
off on.
Speaker 8 (45:32):
Oh yeah, give me, give me to give me Seahawks
twenty three seventeen, twenty three seventeen.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Kurt, I know everybody's the Seahawks a big favorite, but.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I mean Seahawks about four and a half.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
The thing the goes to the past, that Patriots gonna rise.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
The Patriots are second points four and four points again
take them. I'm going with Seattle. It's going to be
closer than people O. What's just I'll say Patriots, I
mean Seattle Winnesday twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Four, twenty seven, twenty believe in his name.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I just think it's gonna be closer.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
I'm an NFC man. It's always been NFC man. Yeah,
you can put Elvis what ever.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
I just put a check mark by said, yeah, Chris,
what do you got.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Beam?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Come in, Beam, hold on, I gotta turn down some stuff.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
With you and there watching bad buddy.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, I'm not getting familiar. Now, Olympics, let's go with
I'm gonna go with Patriots. Let's go with Patriots. Okay, score, score,
let's go. Let's go twenty eight, twenty seven, twenty eight,
twenty seven game Winter.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
I'm going to go Seattle just because one of my
best friends is a huge Boston sports fan, and I
do not want to hear about the Patriots for the
next year and how Drake May is the second coming
of Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And have to deal with that.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
So I'm going to say I think it's going to
be a barn burner, because everybody thinks it's going to
be a defensive game.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Thirty one to thirty Seattle, so we will see. And
quick question for you guys before we get out of here.
Speaker 5 (47:13):
With the way these two teams are built, we were
talking about this a little early Jesse with being a
copycat League. I think this shows that the business side
of football is becoming even more and more important than
the players on Obviously the players play the game, but
the way you assemble teams and work the salary cap
and look at how they treated Russell Wilson in Seattle
(47:35):
and then Denver and got rid of him and ate
the contract and then re started with these younger quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
Do you think this is a just.
Speaker 5 (47:43):
A weird three or four years where we're in a
transition from the old guard to the new guard at
quarterback where you had the superstar quarterback and you built
a team around them.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Or do you think maybe this.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Is a new way of doing business to where give
me a quarterback with a decent to small contract and
I'll build the team around and that can get us there.
Do you think this is a new way of doing
business or just a weird place where there's not those
elite quarterbacks to grab up right now and build teams around.
Speaker 8 (48:11):
I think I think we're in that spot where there
isn't just enough elite quarterbacks to go around right now.
Because you play this game of football, you don't have
a quarterback, you ain't got nothing, but you do have
a herd of coach that are understanding. Now, if I
can't get an elite one, if I can get a
really good one, then I can just build everything around
(48:32):
them and then have them be you know, risk averse
and can probably win out you know, a lot more
games there. But you want, if you can trust and
believe you're me, you want elite quarterback play if it's
possible to obtain.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Okay, I just wondered if it was something new or
if this was.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Just just what I was telling me is already here.
Speaker 7 (48:55):
It's already here because it's five quarterbacks we talk about
every year and it hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
We've added Dak, We've added Dak that to that quarterback conversation.
It hasn't changed.
Speaker 7 (49:10):
So teams are forced, whether they want to or not,
to build until they get that opportunity, because, like I
was saying to these guys, the top five teams, you
get that top five talent, but from fifteen to thirty two,
you're gonna have to have the right play off personnel.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Guy, You're gonna have to have the right scouts going.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
Out, you know, trying to build build some build a foundation.
You got to because if you're waiting on your quarterback,
and you giving all your draft picks from trying to
move up to get this guy, and he's not what
you think he is. Like you say, the Jets have
been doing forever, Detroit did until they got Dan Campbell.
You're gonna be just going over the same thing every year.
(49:54):
So I'm not trading my picks. I'm using my picks,
and I'm making sure these guys love and want to
be football players, you know, instead of rappers.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I heard. Do you know, man, we don't need most
talented guys, we need football players. You a great chest.
Speaker 8 (50:11):
All listen. I saw Fred one of the day. That's
a football player right there. More like him, more like him?
Speaker 13 (50:19):
All right?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Well, Jesse, watch where you step when you walk outside.
Make sure you don't get make sure you don't get nothing.
Speaker 7 (50:24):
To make sure you don't wind up in the bait
all they they lost a lot of guys out there
trying to escape.
Speaker 8 (50:30):
You would know better than I do.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Oh yes, sir, I do know. I know, Bros.
Speaker 7 (50:36):
I go to San Francisco, I get a little shaky,
be safe on.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
The way back.
Speaker 5 (50:41):
Jesse will see you next week. We'll recap the Super Bowl.
Start talking about the draft, Nate, I think you're out.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Next week, right maybe? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, I mean I am all right, so we'll have three.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Maybe as all.
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Right, sir, enjoy yourself, fellas, good show, enjoy the super Bowl.
Take Monday off, Chris, thanks for keeping us on their Josh,
thanks for keeping him company.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
See you next Thursday or hanging with the boys.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Okay no.
Speaker 11 (51:08):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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