January 8, 2026 • 46 mins
It’s not a big surprise that Matt Eberflus got fired, but what comes next? Is there a sense of urgency to find someone new? And does it matter who they get if the Cowboys don’t acquire better players? Should we expect them to? After all, we’ve been told the Parsons deal is going to bring big dividends. Plus, how did Brian Schottenheimer’s his first season go as head coach?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sideline.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
He is hanging with the boys.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Now, your hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
What is today? Thirday?
Speaker 6 (00:42):
Our regular day now that the season is officially over?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You are looking man, what a day?
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
At least the weather's nice, because we got a lot
of depressing stuff to talk about today on the show.
But it is seventy five degrees. The hide today is
seventy seven. The low tonight is fifty nine.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He is shinning two little shirt Gross, that is three
top super Bowl champion, Nate Newton, This is Kurt one
pump dame, because two pump will get you a five
in the back. It's Chris beating keeping the live of
the local and as always, I am your boy. Salt
and Pepper Poppy. Together we make Hanging with the Boys
the sports talk equivalent. Brill people.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
When we speak wingstop is he.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
I need to get some off season wings in here, Chris,
get us a wing drop. Yeah, we'll do if you
feel if you feel that the energy level out of
Jesse is a little bit low, because this is day
seven of his eight day eight of your thirty thirty
one day fast, Today's the first day he.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Can have juice.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Yep, I feel so you can hearing your voice though
you can hear in your voice it's like.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Man, amazing. I'm telling you, man, you never be a
better month.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
It would be a.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Great month, yes, but you just the little things in life.
You just appreciate a little bit more, you know, And boy,
I'm just I'm just thankful.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
God is good.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Man, God is amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You think about the suffering that he had to go
through and you had this little hunger pans was like
he had to go through more than that for me,
I could do this. But boy, I got I got
it this morning early and was like on the juicer
on because you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Knew today was something was gonna be in your belly.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Besides yeah, and it's just spirit get lifted, Spirits get lifted, man,
and so.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Other things.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Yeah, glad we didn't have to show yesterday. Huh No,
we had to show yesterday. It would have been yesterday
was a struggle. It was a struggle. I'm glad we
didn't have it early this morning either, That would have
been trouble too.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, might take a couple of breaks during the show.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Every Yeah, he'd be back.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Nate, how you been in the last week? Close to
a week?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I get beautiful, man, beautiful. I just want to thank
Dallas media nationally, locally and otherwise.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
There we go. They finally fire.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Even flu Well we fitted we fit have a number
one ranked defense. So I'm so glad for the media
that they were right. Yeah, to be determined, hurt.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
How you doing, I'm doing good?
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Good to see you?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Good seeing you, Chris? You all right? Yes, are now
back there holding it down?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
All right?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Life should a little bit more simpler for Chris now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It is, oh real simple. Actually he could actually go
to the restroom during the middle. Yeah, I could actually
go to lunch. How about lunch?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Lunch?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
See, like Chris can actually go outside and enjoy this
seventy five?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Is there a show before us lunch? But there's no show? Well,
there's a show at eleven, the draft show that just
kicked off. They go twice a week eleven to twelve,
eleven to twelve, we got one at ten. Yeah, who's
the draft show this year?
Speaker 10 (04:02):
We've got Kyle Yeomans. We got Tommy Yarish, who's back
here talking. We've got Votch Lombardi, Bobby Belt and Nick Harris.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Nice good deal. That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Tune into that every that's great.
Speaker 10 (04:15):
Thursday job, Thursday, Tuesdays and Thursdays at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Lots to talk about, lots to talk about. All right,
you brought it up, Nate, Hebra Fluce is gone.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, we've been. We've been to do it now, man,
what number one?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
All the way to straight to the top, same personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Because not everybody gonna take the ear wax out of
the ears and the communication gonna be right.
Speaker 9 (04:37):
And he could sound like he was the fall guy.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Oh he is the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I mean players were real open about how they felt.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
Oh yeah, it seemed to shedding tears.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, Sairday said the roof raised over there when they
got rid of Flukes.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So, uh, I just want to see how many how
many of the those guys that will be with the
new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
And it's gonna be interesting because what do we have
eight head coaching jobs available right now?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Maybe maybe nine after.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Some teams get kicked maybe ten after some teams get
kicked out of the playoffs. Right, so your DC pool,
a lot of those guys are gonna be applying for
these head coaching jobs, right, So how's this gonna work?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What do you guys think as far as timing?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Is it gonna be a I'm glad they did it
early because usually they wait and drag their feet and
they miss prime candidates. But now it's like, are the
candidates gonna kind of be picky and choosy and waiting
on other jobs or how do you guys think the
time is going to play out on them?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well? One of the things that kind of frustrated means
slightly yesterday about that press conference is they haven't even
requested any guys, according to what they said when they
were asked about have you put out any request? They're like, oh,
now we're working through that now. And I'm like, well,
what the hell are you waiting on? Like, like what
are we waiting on here? Like it's sometimes you be
a step step too slow?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Right, So I hope because but kind Devil's advocate on that.
Speaker 10 (06:10):
Sure, around the league, there's a lot of play, there's
a lot of openings at different offensive and defensive coordinators,
and you've not heard one name. Now you're head coaching candidates,
but you don't hear that, So I don't know if
it has anything to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, that makes it around the league. No, I got
you saying in general.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, no, no, I got your saying. I not the dcs
are probably saying, let me go shoot my shot as
head coaching job first.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And then exactly, you know the amazing thing seeing we
all listen to the press conference and you know we
are you know, not us well, you know we wanted
flutes going to it was such a big important thing.
And then I literally started laughing when I heard the
band say, hold on, y'all, hold on, man, defensive coordinators.
(06:57):
That's just the NFL. If you go on ahead, coach,
you got a panic, you got a word.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
This is what mister Jones said. But we just come
on it.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And I'm saying to myself, wow, all during the season
that was an important thing, was the defensive coordinator. Not
the season over with, Hey, we'll just get one. That's
that's kind of what he says.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They grow on trees. Yeah, we put them on off
the tree last year.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Did y'all not hear that part?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I heard it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
That was important.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I'm like, hold on, now, we we collectively wanted this
man out of here because we just knew he was.
But now missus Jones like saying, it ain't like I
got my head coaching.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So I mean, and then Jesse, you put a little
thing saying, well, you know they ain't putting no names.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Out because you got to think, not only is the
eight head coaching jobs for every eight head coaching jobs,
is another DC job for that job, right, so at
sixteen positions that these this coaching pool is trying to get.
So I don't know it's it's gonna be. It'll be
(08:03):
something that we, of course will watch for. But I
guess for me and I think what Nate is trying
to say is that I wish that there were more
or at least let make it feel like this urgency.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah yeah, like not just like, oh.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, you know, we'll get the guy. That's what he says,
that you know, we'll get the right coaches, get the
right I'm just like Okay, do you think because I
thought you told last year influenced with the right guy.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But anyway, yeah, picked it off.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
They grow on trees. He just picked one off a tree,
the DC tree. Are coaches this time of year? Are
they working the phones?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Agents?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So you know, but I'm talking about the like coaches
calling like you were with this guy here he's oh yeah,
staff together, Yeah, hey opening Yeah, but you know, I'm
interested for sure, especially if you're trying to move up
kind of the chain and you were with this guy
a couple of teams ago.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Now he's got an opportunity. Hey, if you get this job.
I heard your interviewing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I want you and those guys who are interviewing me
because I'm mother the oppression that when you know you
can you say a name that's whatever DC that's interviewing.
When he goes and meets with that general manager, slash,
that owner or that head coach in amount, they're gonna
want to know, well, who are you bringing, like, who
are you like, who's equipping with your who's going to
(09:19):
be your line coach, linebacker, coach, dB coach, Because that's
a part of the conversation as well, not only what
is your what is your scheme? What is your philosophy?
You know, we could see several new coaches then sure.
I mean, if if I'm the DC and I'm coming
over to the Cowboys, who's to say that I want
(09:40):
to now have Aaron white Cotton as my defensive line coach? Like,
that's not that's not who I trust. That not my guy.
My guys, this guy that I've had for the last
we work together at this place for the last five years.
We're on the same page, we speak the same language,
and don't have the same philosophy. So yeah, there still
could be some some shifting and moving around here, because
(10:03):
it should be your your your Your head coach should
be able to pick his defensive coordinator, but your defensive
coordinators should be able to pick.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
His assistant at least one or two guys.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Like he should be. He should be able to pick
his guys to put in place to say, this is
my this is my defensive team.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
So which would you rather see them bring in a
guy who's maybe a former head coach or maybe got
some experience, or would you rather.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
See Yeah, if I'm shot, you.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Know, I don't think they should do it go that route. Anyway,
because that guy's gonna be looking for a head coaching
job in another year or two. You know, you're in
the same cycle. I kind of hope they bring in
a younger guy who's maybe got some new ideas.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And what Sean what Sean Lee doing these days?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Enjoying life like he's supposed to on the beach just on. However,
he's at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Aren't moving to California. It's like training camp.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's I'll see y'all.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The bottom line, whoever they get gotta have gotta carry
some weight, got to carry some authority.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And what he say is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, for all that shot to keep saying this
is how I do it, and this is how I
do it, and this is how I do it.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I understand that right there, But how do your defense
do it?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
If you got guys saying that a guy speaking French
and we only understand a different language English, you on
two different pages. We went the whole season saying communication, communication, breakdown,
this place, break down this place. You got to get
a guy that can communicate on all three different levels,
(11:50):
that sight, that's writing, and that's actually doing these things
that you actually do to me. Once you get the
head coach, the head coach, coach, the coordinators. This is
what I expect, This is what I want. This is
how I want it done, and I get it done.
You know now the defense office coordinator is going to
(12:12):
their assistance. This is what the coach needs. This is
what How do you teach that? How can we get
this cross to this player? This player is not as
smart as this guy. Do we need to get him
some extra time? Do we need to get him.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Work on task?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
How do we need to because what went this past
year was sadness?
Speaker 9 (12:32):
Bro, you don't think that happened?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Huh?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
Do you think that happened with Schottenheimer said you do this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And then the thing is what I'm saying, It evidently
didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
But the next guy that they get be it, whatever his.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Background is, he gonna have to come in and when
he speaks, he's gonna have to command the room.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I'm talking about the whole defensive room.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
If you got one dude over there, oh, let me
see how I can ramshack this. Now you got that
one cancer going through your whole deal. And now this
coach who they say they want a guy that.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
He's good at three four, he's good at four three.
That's the whole NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Now you can have a base scheme, a three four
guy over the center, guy over the two tackles, two
linebackers inside.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You can have a base scheme. What's colledor is a
three four? Phil is a three four?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But how many times did you see them actually line
up in a three to four? Because there's too many
four wide receivers, three tight ends, no backs, one back,
So you got to be multiple. So that's the type
of guy that going to get is a multiple type guy.
But what this guy has to walk in here from
day one saying I'm the man I'm putting in a
(13:50):
base defense and we're gonna run this every.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Chance we get.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So when we start adding on, we won't have guys
out there simply cannot play.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Is that the problem we had this year?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So now we got to.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You cannot sell me on another defensive coordinator and these
guys go out and do the same thing they did
last year, And hey, well, when wese you mean to
tell me? All of these guys that are coming up
for jobs, you think when they sit down, the first
(14:30):
question they're gonna say, hey, brother Jesse how are you
as a communicator, because.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That's all we heard I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I'm talking about the Dallas cowboy problem. You know, I'm
working with Bobby. Bobby asked the question last night. He said,
don't you know the next coordinator they gonna ask can
you work with this guy?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Can you work with that guy? Can you work with
this guy? Talking about our defense?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And that's Bobby belt look radio personality, one of the
draft fan the other draft show with the with with.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Us, and I stopped. I said, hold on, Bobby, I say,
first of all.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That and I'm not gonna call guys names, but if
the if the defensive coordinated is true and and gonna
be honest, you know, with with management.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Hold on, coach, how good do you really think this
dude is?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
For real?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now? Quinny Clark.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Uh Osa, as long as he's playing forty or less snaps,
those are your three guys. Now, how do I look
like saying, Hey, coach, why are you gonna use Donovan
Wilson because we really think he's all world And I'm
not apologizing for what I'm saying. I believe what I'm saying.
(16:00):
Coach may say, well, if he ain't in the box.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
How can I.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Use him because I want too deep saftists and I'm
just trying to keep it real. So now, what what
do you say to him? Oh, well, coach, we can't
hire you because now you gotta improve your players too,
is what I'm saying. You gotta improve your players too. So, uh,
missus Jones, I love you to death, baby, and and
(16:27):
you tell some hell of the stories when you when
you're doing your exit interview with everything, but.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We need some players too.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Sure, they said they would.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
We got to take a quick break here in a minute,
but they said they would make a d C. The
DC as a group decision, which seems to be the
motto around here about everything.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
It's a it's a group, it's a you.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Know, it's a democracy. Would a good approach be like, okay, Shotty,
we're we're we're all in on you. Give us three guys,
give us three guys, and let us bring those three
guys in and let's go get one of those guys.
Because you go to the communication part. Part of that
is the head coach has to be comfortable enough to
(17:11):
be able to communicate with his coordinators right and get
the information back in the right way.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
We speak the same language, we communicate the same way.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Get this to the players. Maybe that was part of it,
is this wasn't one of his guys? They didn't, They
weren't on the same page. Would that be the right approach?
Is Hey, give me your top three guys and let's
bring them in and let's go work as a group
to get one of those guys. Or do you think
it'll be, Hey, here's who we're bringing in. Which one
of these guys do.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You like the best that one?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Because that's typically the way it goes, right.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
The lot of schutten Himmers should have more saying it.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
But yeah, we know so, so more of the same
is what we think.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Boom, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well that's a good way to go on to break.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
We'll talk more things than defensive coordinator when we come back.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Stay tuned to see what those are.
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Back to Hanging with the Bulls.
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to go with this, Kurt?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Where we want to go with this?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'll tell you where we can go in end of
your predictions?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Oh, no one and I think no one in the
Country at the Cowboys, finishing at seven nine and one,
including everyone on this show. We were close. Chris was
the furthest off. He had the Cowboys at ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Kurt, Yeah, b I'm a homer.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Homer, you are a homer.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You'll have him going what seventeen and o next year
with eight? Yep, Kurt nine and eight, Jesse eight nine,
and I had him at seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So congratulations, A little pat on the back.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Well, he went and smoked up the papers of the
you did.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I got to him before y'all got in here. Did
you notice that?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
All right, Kurt?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Where do you want to go?
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I don't know where? Do you think? What would uh?
What interest you guys? Well, you know, Jerry's getting a
lot of criticism. I guess for now selling us the
Parsons trade. The best is yet to come. This probably
isn't going to be herschel Walker two point zero. But
what did you guys think of kind of those comments
and where they might lead.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
To me?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And because for whatever reason, whatever the reason that Jerry
Jones had or has for trading Micah, whatever that reason is,
whether it was personal, professional, he was planning on doing it,
it was because of the poor leadership, whatever it was,
(22:02):
he is going to continue to move gold post and
finish lines until this thing turns out that he actually
won the trade. Because initially it was you know, we
had planned on this earlier, it didn't work out. It
was so much money, all that kind of stuff. And
(22:23):
then it was we got Kenny Clark and we finally
got the run stopper that we need. And then after
that the season began and it was os, we actually
don't have the run stopper that we need. Because if
I find it very hard to believe that if this
(22:46):
team was stout as they were supposed to be upfront,
you have no need to go get Quinn Williams. You
had no need to go get Quinn Williams. You already
had a guy. You got a guy in a trade.
You just paid a gay and osa. But you looked
around and you said this ain't gonna work. So then
(23:07):
you had to double down on that. After you told
us we finally got it, we can manipulate the pressure
and all of that other stuff, and then you had
to double down on that and go get Quinn. Great addition,
we like Quinny, but even at the year went along,
you still suffered from the same thing that you needed.
(23:32):
You need you needed it. You needed Micael at the
beginning of the year, and after you got Kenny Clark,
and after you got Quinn Williams, and after overshown and
came back, and then after you went and got Logan
Wilson and all that, you still need a pass rusher.
To Davian Clowney, thirty three year old mercenary was your
best pass rusher, your best edge ctter and what world
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is that going to be a successful situation? And he
had what three sacks in the last games, right, so
he really would have finished with five and a half sacks.
He had a really good outing against a poor team
in the New York Giants. So your your best sack
guy in essence who came in, who was signed after
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the season started, and then took a couple of weeks
to get ramped up, and then finally had to go
to the coach and say, hey, you know, I'm better
than the guys that you keep putting out there in
front of me. And they were like, oh, yeah, okay, cool,
put him out there. He and he in essence finished
a year with five and a half sacks at no
point in time did it. And then we watched quarterback
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after quarterback after quarterback after quarterback walked into this. Russell
Wilson said in his exit interview. Yeah, crazy that he
pulled his hamstring the Friday before the Cowboy game, that
he was getting treatment he in Dallas at the Maverick
facility and went on to put full fifty and three
(25:06):
tunnies on you, JJ McCarthy, Jacoby Brissett and the list
goes on and on and on and on and on
and on and on. Well, they just was in the pockets,
just comfortable. So he's never going to be wrong because
the mechanism of movement will continue to move over time, right,
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because it's just one player turned into two draft picks
with essession, they could turn into four and six players. Well,
how the hell will we know when these six players.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
That, I mean, I'd agree with him to a point
because this trade you can't judge it until they do
something with these draft picks and figure it out. But
I mean he also talked about, well we freed up
space for pickings now and that sort of thing. That's
that's where it kind of gets into the weed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Anybody will tell you and I went to a public
high school, I went to a public university. Anyone would
tell you with internet access, it's not true. It's not true.
Not only could if you have signed Micah, you could
have still if you wanted to, went and got Quinning
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and sign Pickens. Now is that the way that you operate? No? No,
but you you have And what makes that even more?
I guess kind of frustrating as a lot to tell.
I'd rather you just say I don't want to operate
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that way because you have teams in the very league,
hell in the very conference that you play in that
do it religiously. Now, one day you're gonna have to
pay the credit card bill. Philly would have to pay
the credit card bill. Or when they get to that day,
know what they'll do. They'll just put more years on
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it and push it down the road. Again, it's very doable.
They don't want to operate that way. You have to
be more. You have to spin a little bit more
cash up front. Now that's a whole other court. That's
a whole another conversation about are they cash strapped or not,
or how their cash flow is working. But you can
get deals for premium players per year you can backload it.
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You pay the signing bonus. That base salary is a
small number, and it increases year after year after year.
Then it gets to a number where you have to
either extend it again or absorb that number. But if
you're telling me that I'm going to go to two
Super Bowls in five years and win one of them,
well guess what I'll take that in thirty thirty one,
(27:41):
I mean twenty thirty one and twenty thirty one five
years from now. If you tell me that from twenty
twenty six to thirty thirty one that the Dallas Cowboys
have been perennial playoffs, have gone to two super Bowls
and one one, sign me up A worth it. And
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then if you gotta suck for a year, you suck
for a year. All that you know, all the money
comes crashing. Now, all right, I sucked for a year,
and guess what I do. I re up and I
do it again. Yeah, they're doing it all across the league.
So to say that it's not it's not it's impossible.
It's a blatant lie. I'd rather you just say I
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don't want to do it that way, because that's the truth.
It's not impossible. You don't want to do it that way.
And it's your team, your team. You paid the money.
They cut your credit card up at the count that
you talked about before and the Bronco and all this
is you spent your heart on money, shoes, salesmen and
(28:44):
pizza stop and all that that you saw the documentary.
Just say that. Don't tell me it's impossible. Just say
we don't do business in this way. Y'all like it
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Pickens if you want it to ye.
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Speaker 6 (32:36):
Moving right along, Kurt, How would you grade the head
coach after his first season as a head coach?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I think we all have probably opinions about that.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
What is what is yours?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
I will say maybe like a B minus, okay, somewhere
in that range. But I think I do think he's
building something if he can get the players. Obviously winning
breeds culture, you know, as you guys know well that
he's got to keep. I like the energy, I like
the message, all that stuff, but he's got to win.
(33:14):
I think he's still has a few things to learn
about managing the game and the players and his coaches apparently,
so I would say he's did better than average, but
still some work to do.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
What do you think, Nate it be on? Which Kurt uh?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know we all know that dealing with the Jones
is you gotta be a special guy. You got to
be a special guy. But I think I think he's honest.
I get the feeling if mister Jones said, hey, man,
what do you think he gonna give him his honest opinion.
He ain't gonna try to Kurt tell it. He's gonna
give him it.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Whether mister Jones listen is another thing, But I think
he's gonna talk straight up to the coach. Even when
he was talking about brother Flus. You know, he said
what he felt. He's been consistent about how he said
and do things. So I'm gonna give him a B
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because but next year I'm gonna expect better because he
should know. Like you said, he should know that hey it,
much more is expected now.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I think B be minest, but I would say his
first year, and like you said, it takes a special person,
especially somebody coming in with no head coaching experience, to
juggle the circus, juggle, the media juggle, the access juggle,
the players that he had in the building, because he
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didn't have the easiest players over there, and they made
it through the season and seemed to have kept the
locker room attagged. I think the players respect him. I
think the I think, like you said, he's honest. He
seems like a good Do him justice, though, If you're
gonna give him a chance to build something, which it
seems like he's doing, let him do things different. I
(35:05):
know this is it's not going to happen, but give
him the benefit. Let him pick his own DC, let
him bring his own guys in. Let him if you're
really gonna build this thing and make a run at it,
let him have more of a say in what's going up,
things that directly interact with him. Players Okay, GM calls whatever,
but like, let him have a say, let him hire
(35:26):
his own DC. Let him say, hey, here's my guys.
I'm happy with any of these. Let's bring him in
and the make it like, do this the way you
haven't done it. If you really want to talk about, hey,
I want more super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Than I've ever won.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay, do something different. Those were things are different now
than they were thirty years ago when we won.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Those super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Do something different. This seems I think he's the right
guy for this place. But give him the tools and
give him, give him a little bit more control than
what some guys have had in the past to go
build it. If you really believe in him and really
think he can build it. Let him go build and
let him help you build this and and I think
it could work.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
But B B B minus.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
I was pleasantly surprised with some some clock decisions, some
in game calls, some things like that that I think
you can work on and you learn as the first
year head coach. But I think overall, he did a
really good job of holding this thing together. Especially as
bad as that defense was. That team could have turned
on themselves really quick. So I give him a B.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, I give I give Shotty a lot of credit
for handling the external stuff, right. Not too many head
coaches have to deal with losing my best player to
be a trade and then dealing with the Marshawn Kneeling
uh situation, and of course everything else like you all
mentioned that comes along with being at with the Star,
(36:47):
Like that's just that comes along with that. Your owner
has a radio show, he's with Steven A. Smith. He's
you know, you gotta do all that kind of stuff.
He's breaking news that he's yeah, so that so that
level of stuff. You know, I you, I give him
a lot of credit for just navigating those choppy and
you know, and none, I don't even know, I'm not
(37:09):
saying uncharted waters, but just hectic waters. But for the
on the field stuff, because that's what ultimately he gets
grade on at the end of the day. Right, I
give him a C and I'm I'm maybe can go
up to a C plus. And my biggest thing is
that not only was this defense bad, your special teams regressed,
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but you had two you had two units under you
that regress regress. Now does that mean that because of
all your focus is on the office, because your other
offers to play caller as well with all the other
responsibilities that come along with that, maybe that needs to
be delegated somewhere else so that you can be more
of a manager of everything that you own and in
(37:56):
any game. You know, it's it's really hard to mess
up Dak Prescott, seas Lamb and George Piketts. That's not
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not a you
don't you're not in the lab racking your brain trying
to figure out, oh my god, how can I get that?
It's not this very hard. It's it's like, you know,
(38:17):
to mess up instant oatmeal, just pour just enough water
in it, put it in the microwave.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
We go about our business.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Those guys make your life a lot easier to know
that even when I'm not right, I got a ten
year vet who's a top ten quarterback, and I got
two top ten wide receivers. Life will work itself out.
But I did. I did think. You know that this
team regressed in the red zone some of the play calling,
the clock management, but overall and the Sea's listen sees
(38:50):
get degrees. Okay, don't get your playoffs, but to get
your degrees, what did.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
You guys think? I mean, I don't obviously the last
game whatever, But were you surprised that down six he
started pulling those guys because.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I was very surprised because you you you told me
compete every day. You told me the two weeks that
you're looking to win, and you wanted to win. You
wanted to go out on top, and you wanted to win,
you know, have the wins in the division. And you
told me all of that, and then you go at halftime, okay,
pull these guys out. Wait, I thought when he was
important here, I thought I thought that was a part
of how you built culture. You told me that that
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was a part of building momentum. These are not my words.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But see that is the part where I give him
a b because we we all know that if that
call come from upstairs, what you're gonna do?
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yeah, like Shannon said that he have.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And that his own call.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Well in that case, and then you're not going to
be a winner if that, if we're if we're looking
at that, he's never gonna be able to build what
he wants to build because if the call just come,
when the call comes, and you have to march to
those orders.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Then But see that is why at the beginning of
the year we all talked about this. I want to
see will he be able to manage the players? Whereas
he say on Monday, hey, this guy's hurt, can't play,
then get a show come on Thursday. But god, he's playing.
(40:16):
That's too much. That's too much for any coach. It
should begin and end with the coach once the draft
is over. Understand, you know, you you know, But once
the draft is over, you go over to that side
of the building. Now you become the head coach's responsibility.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
And that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And it's always going to be a rip with the
coaches over the long haul because they can.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That word is not the law. That word has to
be the law. And I'm with you there, but that
is always a thought, you know, is he gonna play
these guys all the way to the end.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
All of a sudden they're out of there? He'll be like, now,
as a guy, are you thinking you need to call up?
Did he make this decision? Too many mind games? Bro,
too many mind games?
Speaker 6 (41:18):
All right, fellas three more minutes? Any other thoughts on
the season before we move forward to the draft next week? Well,
y'all move forward to the draft next week. I will
be on a beach in Mexico this time.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Fans, fans, fans, listen to the draft. Show got great guys,
gonna get a lot of information on a lot of
the great and up and coming talent. But you know
what I'm gonna tell you, Like I bought, and I'm
gonna say it all year, you can draft anything on
defense and you ain't.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Gonna be wrong. Listen to me now.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
But that was another thing, And again, this is what
we this is what they pay us to do. This
what we do is that when you sit up there
and you have an hour and a half, hell love
with that press conference, Chris one hour and twenty six minutes,
a little of an hour. When you have that press conference,
it's our job to pick apart the things that come
out of your mouth because we're supposed to take that
(42:09):
as the truth. And boy, never once did they mentioned
about when off season they stayed away from the russ Edges.
They talked about secondary and having some guys out there
talk about livebacker. That goes back to what I was
saying earlier, is like, yeah, you don't want to say
we need to go get Russians or an edge Russian
because people will go, well, you had to bet one, Yeah,
(42:32):
one of the best. You know what I mean. And
that's not telling your hand because you're trust me, your
hand is open. If they turn on the film, they
watch you this year. They know every team before you
and after you know in the draft exactly what you need.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
What are we picking this year?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Do we know for sure?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Right now we're twelfth and twenty, but it all depends.
We're twelveth for sure, but what the Green Bay does
in the playoffs will determine whether that twenty moves back,
meaning right the twelve.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
For sure, twelve for sure and then twenty depending on
how they we want them to lose in the first.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Round, so that it right, and and I'm I will
be you know, I want to welcome, you know, rookies in.
I got no damn choice. But for me, if we're
talking about having an immediate turnaround of this football team
and this thing going from worse to first or to
(43:29):
be in that, I need veterans, agents, nee veterans, because
if you this is just Jesse Holly, this is no
one else two positions. If you're I don't care how talented.
Right now they have a lot of people have sunny style.
The Ohio State linebacker mocked to the Cowboys at twelve
creit cool. All right, I don't want a rookie. I
(43:52):
don't want a rookie when he has he has no
one next to him to learn from. And now you
put that pressure in that rookie to come in here
and have to be the answer. They won like Overshown,
but Overshown ain't played enough football to take nobody under
his wing. And please God, I don't want Kenneth Murray
teaching them. Please know, please know, Please know, so you know,
(44:21):
and and and you gotta go get a cover corner.
You gotta go get a cover corner Bland. They're talking
about Blands going to get surgery to correct his foot issue,
screwing his foot whatever. Who knows what happened with that.
Who knows what happened there. They've probably brought Revel back
a little bit too soon, shook him to the core.
Don't know what Kayler Carson is going to be and
(44:42):
come on like this is no disrespect to these young men.
But try Quest Bridges. Tryquest. Shouldn't be getting no reps
out there like that, y'all. Like, I'm not saying that
he shouldn't play in the league, but he shouldn't be
in the conversation of this is a guy in your
starting rotation of dbs that you have to go and
play with. I'm sorry, Track Quiz and Josh Butler.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
And.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
There's a role for you in this league. But if
Bridges is the cornerback on your football team and he's
getting more than special team reps and an occasional, ain't
gonna get in there for a couple of players to
come on back over here, you're gonna be down back.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Any final thoughts, Nate.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Once again, fans, if you think we need a safety
we do. If you think we need a corner, we do.
If you think we need a pass rush edge, we do.
You cannot be wrong. But listen to these guys on
the Draft show. They'll give you the size, the numbers
and everything. That is all great, but you can't be wrong.
We need massive help on our defense and we need Jess.
(45:51):
I'm sorry you got the linebacker. We need a veteran
linebacker and we need a veteran tackle. Please don't go
getting another rookie tackle. I don't need no more unless
he's a top three Kurt.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Any final thoughts, No, it's good to see you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Can we get one point?
Speaker 6 (46:10):
I'll see y'all in two weeks. Have a great show
next week, same time, same place.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Hang up with the boys.
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Now, your hosts.
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Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
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What is today? Thirday?
Speaker 6 (00:42):
Our regular day now that the season is officially over?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You are looking man, what a day?
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Looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside.
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Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 6 (00:55):
At least the weather's nice, because we got a lot
of depressing stuff to talk about today on the show.
But it is seventy five degrees. The hide today is
seventy seven. The low tonight is fifty nine.
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He is shinning two little shirt Gross, that is three
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Speaker 3 (01:30):
When we speak wingstop is he.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
I need to get some off season wings in here, Chris,
get us a wing drop. Yeah, we'll do if you
feel if you feel that the energy level out of
Jesse is a little bit low, because this is day
seven of his eight day eight of your thirty thirty
one day fast, Today's the first day he.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Can have juice.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Yep, I feel so you can hearing your voice though
you can hear in your voice it's like.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Man, amazing. I'm telling you, man, you never be a
better month.
Speaker 7 (02:06):
It would be a.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Great month, yes, but you just the little things in life.
You just appreciate a little bit more, you know, And boy,
I'm just I'm just thankful.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
God is good.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Man, God is amazing.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You think about the suffering that he had to go
through and you had this little hunger pans was like
he had to go through more than that for me,
I could do this. But boy, I got I got
it this morning early and was like on the juicer
on because you.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Knew today was something was gonna be in your belly.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Besides yeah, and it's just spirit get lifted, Spirits get lifted, man,
and so.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Other things.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Yeah, glad we didn't have to show yesterday. Huh No,
we had to show yesterday. It would have been yesterday
was a struggle. It was a struggle. I'm glad we
didn't have it early this morning either, That would have
been trouble too.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, might take a couple of breaks during the show.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Every Yeah, he'd be back.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Nate, how you been in the last week? Close to
a week?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I get beautiful, man, beautiful. I just want to thank
Dallas media nationally, locally and otherwise.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
There we go. They finally fire.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Even flu Well we fitted we fit have a number
one ranked defense. So I'm so glad for the media
that they were right. Yeah, to be determined, hurt.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
How you doing, I'm doing good?
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Good to see you?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Good seeing you, Chris? You all right? Yes, are now
back there holding it down?
Speaker 5 (03:35):
All right?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Life should a little bit more simpler for Chris now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It is, oh real simple. Actually he could actually go
to the restroom during the middle. Yeah, I could actually
go to lunch. How about lunch?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Lunch?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
See, like Chris can actually go outside and enjoy this
seventy five?
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Is there a show before us lunch? But there's no show? Well,
there's a show at eleven, the draft show that just
kicked off. They go twice a week eleven to twelve,
eleven to twelve, we got one at ten. Yeah, who's
the draft show this year?
Speaker 10 (04:02):
We've got Kyle Yeomans. We got Tommy Yarish, who's back
here talking. We've got Votch Lombardi, Bobby Belt and Nick Harris.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Nice good deal. That's it.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Tune into that every that's great.
Speaker 10 (04:15):
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Speaker 3 (04:19):
Lots to talk about, lots to talk about. All right,
you brought it up, Nate, Hebra Fluce is gone.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, we've been. We've been to do it now, man,
what number one?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
All the way to straight to the top, same personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Because not everybody gonna take the ear wax out of
the ears and the communication gonna be right.
Speaker 9 (04:37):
And he could sound like he was the fall guy.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Oh he is the fall guy.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I mean players were real open about how they felt.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Right.
Speaker 9 (04:45):
Oh yeah, it seemed to shedding tears.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yes, Sairday said the roof raised over there when they
got rid of Flukes.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So, uh, I just want to see how many how
many of the those guys that will be with the
new defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6 (05:04):
And it's gonna be interesting because what do we have
eight head coaching jobs available right now?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Maybe maybe nine after.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
Some teams get kicked maybe ten after some teams get
kicked out of the playoffs. Right, so your DC pool,
a lot of those guys are gonna be applying for
these head coaching jobs, right, So how's this gonna work?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
What do you guys think as far as timing?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Is it gonna be a I'm glad they did it
early because usually they wait and drag their feet and
they miss prime candidates. But now it's like, are the
candidates gonna kind of be picky and choosy and waiting
on other jobs or how do you guys think the
time is going to play out on them?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Well? One of the things that kind of frustrated means
slightly yesterday about that press conference is they haven't even
requested any guys, according to what they said when they
were asked about have you put out any request? They're like, oh,
now we're working through that now. And I'm like, well,
what the hell are you waiting on? Like, like what
are we waiting on here? Like it's sometimes you be
a step step too slow?
Speaker 6 (06:04):
Right, So I hope because but kind Devil's advocate on that.
Speaker 10 (06:10):
Sure, around the league, there's a lot of play, there's
a lot of openings at different offensive and defensive coordinators,
and you've not heard one name. Now you're head coaching candidates,
but you don't hear that, So I don't know if
it has anything to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Okay, that makes it around the league. No, I got
you saying in general.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, no, no, I got your saying. I not the dcs
are probably saying, let me go shoot my shot as
head coaching job first.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And then exactly, you know the amazing thing seeing we
all listen to the press conference and you know we
are you know, not us well, you know we wanted
flutes going to it was such a big important thing.
And then I literally started laughing when I heard the
band say, hold on, y'all, hold on, man, defensive coordinators.
(06:57):
That's just the NFL. If you go on ahead, coach,
you got a panic, you got a word.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
This is what mister Jones said. But we just come
on it.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And I'm saying to myself, wow, all during the season
that was an important thing, was the defensive coordinator. Not
the season over with, Hey, we'll just get one. That's
that's kind of what he says.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
They grow on trees. Yeah, we put them on off
the tree last year.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Did y'all not hear that part?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I heard it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
That was important.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I'm like, hold on, now, we we collectively wanted this
man out of here because we just knew he was.
But now missus Jones like saying, it ain't like I
got my head coaching.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So I mean, and then Jesse, you put a little
thing saying, well, you know they ain't putting no names.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Out because you got to think, not only is the
eight head coaching jobs for every eight head coaching jobs,
is another DC job for that job, right, so at
sixteen positions that these this coaching pool is trying to get.
So I don't know it's it's gonna be. It'll be
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something that we, of course will watch for. But I
guess for me and I think what Nate is trying
to say is that I wish that there were more
or at least let make it feel like this urgency.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Yeah yeah, like not just like, oh.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Well, you know, we'll get the guy. That's what he says,
that you know, we'll get the right coaches, get the
right I'm just like Okay, do you think because I
thought you told last year influenced with the right guy.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But anyway, yeah, picked it off.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
They grow on trees. He just picked one off a tree,
the DC tree. Are coaches this time of year? Are
they working the phones?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Agents?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So you know, but I'm talking about the like coaches
calling like you were with this guy here he's oh yeah,
staff together, Yeah, hey opening Yeah, but you know, I'm
interested for sure, especially if you're trying to move up
kind of the chain and you were with this guy
a couple of teams ago.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Now he's got an opportunity. Hey, if you get this job.
I heard your interviewing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I want you and those guys who are interviewing me
because I'm mother the oppression that when you know you
can you say a name that's whatever DC that's interviewing.
When he goes and meets with that general manager, slash,
that owner or that head coach in amount, they're gonna
want to know, well, who are you bringing, like, who
are you like, who's equipping with your who's going to
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be your line coach, linebacker, coach, dB coach, Because that's
a part of the conversation as well, not only what
is your what is your scheme? What is your philosophy?
You know, we could see several new coaches then sure.
I mean, if if I'm the DC and I'm coming
over to the Cowboys, who's to say that I want
(09:40):
to now have Aaron white Cotton as my defensive line coach? Like,
that's not that's not who I trust. That not my guy.
My guys, this guy that I've had for the last
we work together at this place for the last five years.
We're on the same page, we speak the same language,
and don't have the same philosophy. So yeah, there still
could be some some shifting and moving around here, because
(10:03):
it should be your your your Your head coach should
be able to pick his defensive coordinator, but your defensive
coordinators should be able to pick.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
His assistant at least one or two guys.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Like he should be. He should be able to pick
his guys to put in place to say, this is
my this is my defensive team.
Speaker 9 (10:26):
So which would you rather see them bring in a
guy who's maybe a former head coach or maybe got
some experience, or would you rather.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
See Yeah, if I'm shot, you.
Speaker 9 (10:38):
Know, I don't think they should do it go that route. Anyway,
because that guy's gonna be looking for a head coaching
job in another year or two. You know, you're in
the same cycle. I kind of hope they bring in
a younger guy who's maybe got some new ideas.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And what Sean what Sean Lee doing these days?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Enjoying life like he's supposed to on the beach just on. However,
he's at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Aren't moving to California. It's like training camp.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That's I'll see y'all.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The bottom line, whoever they get gotta have gotta carry
some weight, got to carry some authority.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And what he say is the bottom line.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
You know, for all that shot to keep saying this
is how I do it, and this is how I
do it, and this is how I do it.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I understand that right there, But how do your defense
do it?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
If you got guys saying that a guy speaking French
and we only understand a different language English, you on
two different pages. We went the whole season saying communication, communication, breakdown,
this place, break down this place. You got to get
a guy that can communicate on all three different levels,
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that sight, that's writing, and that's actually doing these things
that you actually do to me. Once you get the
head coach, the head coach, coach, the coordinators. This is
what I expect, This is what I want. This is
how I want it done, and I get it done.
You know now the defense office coordinator is going to
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their assistance. This is what the coach needs. This is
what How do you teach that? How can we get
this cross to this player? This player is not as
smart as this guy. Do we need to get him
some extra time? Do we need to get him.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Work on task?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
How do we need to because what went this past
year was sadness?
Speaker 9 (12:32):
Bro, you don't think that happened?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Huh?
Speaker 9 (12:35):
Do you think that happened with Schottenheimer said you do this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
And then the thing is what I'm saying, It evidently
didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
But the next guy that they get be it, whatever his.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Background is, he gonna have to come in and when
he speaks, he's gonna have to command the room.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I'm talking about the whole defensive room.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
If you got one dude over there, oh, let me
see how I can ramshack this. Now you got that
one cancer going through your whole deal. And now this
coach who they say they want a guy that.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
He's good at three four, he's good at four three.
That's the whole NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Now you can have a base scheme, a three four
guy over the center, guy over the two tackles, two
linebackers inside.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
You can have a base scheme. What's colledor is a
three four? Phil is a three four?
Speaker 2 (13:26):
But how many times did you see them actually line
up in a three to four? Because there's too many
four wide receivers, three tight ends, no backs, one back,
So you got to be multiple. So that's the type
of guy that going to get is a multiple type guy.
But what this guy has to walk in here from
day one saying I'm the man I'm putting in a
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base defense and we're gonna run this every.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Chance we get.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So when we start adding on, we won't have guys
out there simply cannot play.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Is that the problem we had this year?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
So now we got to.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You cannot sell me on another defensive coordinator and these
guys go out and do the same thing they did
last year, And hey, well, when wese you mean to
tell me? All of these guys that are coming up
for jobs, you think when they sit down, the first
(14:30):
question they're gonna say, hey, brother Jesse how are you
as a communicator, because.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
That's all we heard I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I'm talking about the Dallas cowboy problem. You know, I'm
working with Bobby. Bobby asked the question last night. He said,
don't you know the next coordinator they gonna ask can
you work with this guy?
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Can you work with that guy? Can you work with
this guy? Talking about our defense?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
And that's Bobby belt look radio personality, one of the
draft fan the other draft show with the with with.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Us, and I stopped. I said, hold on, Bobby, I say,
first of all.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
That and I'm not gonna call guys names, but if
the if the defensive coordinated is true and and gonna
be honest, you know, with with management.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Hold on, coach, how good do you really think this
dude is?
Speaker 5 (15:31):
For real?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Now? Quinny Clark.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Uh Osa, as long as he's playing forty or less snaps,
those are your three guys. Now, how do I look
like saying, Hey, coach, why are you gonna use Donovan
Wilson because we really think he's all world And I'm
not apologizing for what I'm saying. I believe what I'm saying.
(16:00):
Coach may say, well, if he ain't in the box.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
How can I.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Use him because I want too deep saftists and I'm
just trying to keep it real. So now, what what
do you say to him? Oh, well, coach, we can't
hire you because now you gotta improve your players too,
is what I'm saying. You gotta improve your players too. So, uh,
missus Jones, I love you to death, baby, and and
(16:27):
you tell some hell of the stories when you when
you're doing your exit interview with everything, but.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
We need some players too.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Sure, they said they would.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
We got to take a quick break here in a minute,
but they said they would make a d C. The
DC as a group decision, which seems to be the
motto around here about everything.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
It's a it's a group, it's a you.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Know, it's a democracy. Would a good approach be like, okay, Shotty,
we're we're we're all in on you. Give us three guys,
give us three guys, and let us bring those three
guys in and let's go get one of those guys.
Because you go to the communication part. Part of that
is the head coach has to be comfortable enough to
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be able to communicate with his coordinators right and get
the information back in the right way.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
We speak the same language, we communicate the same way.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
Get this to the players. Maybe that was part of it,
is this wasn't one of his guys? They didn't, They
weren't on the same page. Would that be the right approach?
Is Hey, give me your top three guys and let's
bring them in and let's go work as a group
to get one of those guys. Or do you think
it'll be, Hey, here's who we're bringing in. Which one
of these guys do.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You like the best that one?
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Because that's typically the way it goes, right.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
The lot of schutten Himmers should have more saying it.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
But yeah, we know so, so more of the same
is what we think.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Boom, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well that's a good way to go on to break.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
We'll talk more things than defensive coordinator when we come back.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Stay tuned to see what those are.
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to go with this, Kurt?
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Where we want to go with this?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I'll tell you where we can go in end of
your predictions?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Oh, no one and I think no one in the
Country at the Cowboys, finishing at seven nine and one,
including everyone on this show. We were close. Chris was
the furthest off. He had the Cowboys at ten and seven.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Kurt, Yeah, b I'm a homer.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Homer, you are a homer.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
You'll have him going what seventeen and o next year
with eight? Yep, Kurt nine and eight, Jesse eight nine,
and I had him at seven and ten.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
So congratulations, A little pat on the back.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
Well, he went and smoked up the papers of the
you did.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
I got to him before y'all got in here. Did
you notice that?
Speaker 5 (21:10):
All right, Kurt?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Where do you want to go?
Speaker 9 (21:13):
I don't know where? Do you think? What would uh?
What interest you guys? Well, you know, Jerry's getting a
lot of criticism. I guess for now selling us the
Parsons trade. The best is yet to come. This probably
isn't going to be herschel Walker two point zero. But
what did you guys think of kind of those comments
and where they might lead.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
To me?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And because for whatever reason, whatever the reason that Jerry
Jones had or has for trading Micah, whatever that reason is,
whether it was personal, professional, he was planning on doing it,
it was because of the poor leadership, whatever it was,
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he is going to continue to move gold post and
finish lines until this thing turns out that he actually
won the trade. Because initially it was you know, we
had planned on this earlier, it didn't work out. It
was so much money, all that kind of stuff. And
(22:23):
then it was we got Kenny Clark and we finally
got the run stopper that we need. And then after
that the season began and it was os, we actually
don't have the run stopper that we need. Because if
I find it very hard to believe that if this
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team was stout as they were supposed to be upfront,
you have no need to go get Quinn Williams. You
had no need to go get Quinn Williams. You already
had a guy. You got a guy in a trade.
You just paid a gay and osa. But you looked
around and you said this ain't gonna work. So then
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you had to double down on that. After you told
us we finally got it, we can manipulate the pressure
and all of that other stuff, and then you had
to double down on that and go get Quinn. Great addition,
we like Quinny, but even at the year went along,
you still suffered from the same thing that you needed.
(23:32):
You need you needed it. You needed Micael at the
beginning of the year, and after you got Kenny Clark,
and after you got Quinn Williams, and after overshown and
came back, and then after you went and got Logan
Wilson and all that, you still need a pass rusher.
To Davian Clowney, thirty three year old mercenary was your
best pass rusher, your best edge ctter and what world
(23:59):
is that going to be a successful situation? And he
had what three sacks in the last games, right, so
he really would have finished with five and a half sacks.
He had a really good outing against a poor team
in the New York Giants. So your your best sack
guy in essence who came in, who was signed after
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the season started, and then took a couple of weeks
to get ramped up, and then finally had to go
to the coach and say, hey, you know, I'm better
than the guys that you keep putting out there in
front of me. And they were like, oh, yeah, okay, cool,
put him out there. He and he in essence finished
a year with five and a half sacks at no
point in time did it. And then we watched quarterback
(24:44):
after quarterback after quarterback after quarterback walked into this. Russell
Wilson said in his exit interview. Yeah, crazy that he
pulled his hamstring the Friday before the Cowboy game, that
he was getting treatment he in Dallas at the Maverick
facility and went on to put full fifty and three
(25:06):
tunnies on you, JJ McCarthy, Jacoby Brissett and the list
goes on and on and on and on and on
and on and on. Well, they just was in the pockets,
just comfortable. So he's never going to be wrong because
the mechanism of movement will continue to move over time, right,
(25:29):
because it's just one player turned into two draft picks
with essession, they could turn into four and six players. Well,
how the hell will we know when these six players.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
That, I mean, I'd agree with him to a point
because this trade you can't judge it until they do
something with these draft picks and figure it out. But
I mean he also talked about, well we freed up
space for pickings now and that sort of thing. That's
that's where it kind of gets into the weed.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Anybody will tell you and I went to a public
high school, I went to a public university. Anyone would
tell you with internet access, it's not true. It's not true.
Not only could if you have signed Micah, you could
have still if you wanted to, went and got Quinning
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and sign Pickens. Now is that the way that you operate? No? No,
but you you have And what makes that even more?
I guess kind of frustrating as a lot to tell.
I'd rather you just say I don't want to operate
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that way because you have teams in the very league,
hell in the very conference that you play in that
do it religiously. Now, one day you're gonna have to
pay the credit card bill. Philly would have to pay
the credit card bill. Or when they get to that day,
know what they'll do. They'll just put more years on
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it and push it down the road. Again, it's very doable.
They don't want to operate that way. You have to
be more. You have to spin a little bit more
cash up front. Now that's a whole other court. That's
a whole another conversation about are they cash strapped or not,
or how their cash flow is working. But you can
get deals for premium players per year you can backload it.
(27:20):
You pay the signing bonus. That base salary is a
small number, and it increases year after year after year.
Then it gets to a number where you have to
either extend it again or absorb that number. But if
you're telling me that I'm going to go to two
Super Bowls in five years and win one of them,
well guess what I'll take that in thirty thirty one,
(27:41):
I mean twenty thirty one and twenty thirty one five
years from now. If you tell me that from twenty
twenty six to thirty thirty one that the Dallas Cowboys
have been perennial playoffs, have gone to two super Bowls
and one one, sign me up A worth it. And
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then if you gotta suck for a year, you suck
for a year. All that you know, all the money
comes crashing. Now, all right, I sucked for a year,
and guess what I do. I re up and I
do it again. Yeah, they're doing it all across the league.
So to say that it's not it's not it's impossible.
It's a blatant lie. I'd rather you just say I
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don't want to do it that way, because that's the truth.
It's not impossible. You don't want to do it that way.
And it's your team, your team. You paid the money.
They cut your credit card up at the count that
you talked about before and the Bronco and all this
is you spent your heart on money, shoes, salesmen and
(28:44):
pizza stop and all that that you saw the documentary.
Just say that. Don't tell me it's impossible. Just say
we don't do business in this way. Y'all like it
or y'all don't like it, but don't lie and say
it's possible, because you could have quinnin Micah and George
(29:05):
Pickens if you want it to ye.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
All right, let's take our last break. When we come back.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
What are our thoughts?
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I mean, anybody could probably figure it out on the
entire season and the coach, how do we feel about
it when we come back?
Speaker 5 (29:22):
On't hang out with the boys? Be right back.
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Speaker 6 (32:36):
Moving right along, Kurt, How would you grade the head
coach after his first season as a head coach?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I think we all have probably opinions about that.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
What is what is yours?
Speaker 9 (32:52):
I will say maybe like a B minus, okay, somewhere
in that range. But I think I do think he's
building something if he can get the players. Obviously winning
breeds culture, you know, as you guys know well that
he's got to keep. I like the energy, I like
the message, all that stuff, but he's got to win.
(33:14):
I think he's still has a few things to learn
about managing the game and the players and his coaches apparently,
so I would say he's did better than average, but
still some work to do.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
What do you think, Nate it be on? Which Kurt uh?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You know we all know that dealing with the Jones
is you gotta be a special guy. You got to
be a special guy. But I think I think he's honest.
I get the feeling if mister Jones said, hey, man,
what do you think he gonna give him his honest opinion.
He ain't gonna try to Kurt tell it. He's gonna
give him it.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Whether mister Jones listen is another thing, But I think
he's gonna talk straight up to the coach. Even when
he was talking about brother Flus. You know, he said
what he felt. He's been consistent about how he said
and do things. So I'm gonna give him a B
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because but next year I'm gonna expect better because he
should know. Like you said, he should know that hey it,
much more is expected now.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I think B be minest, but I would say his
first year, and like you said, it takes a special person,
especially somebody coming in with no head coaching experience, to
juggle the circus, juggle, the media juggle, the access juggle,
the players that he had in the building, because he
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didn't have the easiest players over there, and they made
it through the season and seemed to have kept the
locker room attagged. I think the players respect him. I
think the I think, like you said, he's honest. He
seems like a good Do him justice, though, If you're
gonna give him a chance to build something, which it
seems like he's doing, let him do things different. I
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know this is it's not going to happen, but give
him the benefit. Let him pick his own DC, let
him bring his own guys in. Let him if you're
really gonna build this thing and make a run at it,
let him have more of a say in what's going up,
things that directly interact with him. Players Okay, GM calls whatever,
but like, let him have a say, let him hire
(35:26):
his own DC. Let him say, hey, here's my guys.
I'm happy with any of these. Let's bring him in
and the make it like, do this the way you
haven't done it. If you really want to talk about, hey,
I want more super Bowls.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Than I've ever won.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Okay, do something different. Those were things are different now
than they were thirty years ago when we won.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Those super Bowls.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Do something different. This seems I think he's the right
guy for this place. But give him the tools and
give him, give him a little bit more control than
what some guys have had in the past to go
build it. If you really believe in him and really
think he can build it. Let him go build and
let him help you build this and and I think
it could work.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
But B B B minus.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
I was pleasantly surprised with some some clock decisions, some
in game calls, some things like that that I think
you can work on and you learn as the first
year head coach. But I think overall, he did a
really good job of holding this thing together. Especially as
bad as that defense was. That team could have turned
on themselves really quick. So I give him a B.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Yeah, I give I give Shotty a lot of credit
for handling the external stuff, right. Not too many head
coaches have to deal with losing my best player to
be a trade and then dealing with the Marshawn Kneeling
uh situation, and of course everything else like you all
mentioned that comes along with being at with the Star,
(36:47):
Like that's just that comes along with that. Your owner
has a radio show, he's with Steven A. Smith. He's
you know, you gotta do all that kind of stuff.
He's breaking news that he's yeah, so that so that
level of stuff. You know, I you, I give him
a lot of credit for just navigating those choppy and
you know, and none, I don't even know, I'm not
(37:09):
saying uncharted waters, but just hectic waters. But for the
on the field stuff, because that's what ultimately he gets
grade on at the end of the day. Right, I
give him a C and I'm I'm maybe can go
up to a C plus. And my biggest thing is
that not only was this defense bad, your special teams regressed,
(37:32):
but you had two you had two units under you
that regress regress. Now does that mean that because of
all your focus is on the office, because your other
offers to play caller as well with all the other
responsibilities that come along with that, maybe that needs to
be delegated somewhere else so that you can be more
of a manager of everything that you own and in
(37:56):
any game. You know, it's it's really hard to mess
up Dak Prescott, seas Lamb and George Piketts. That's not
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not a you
don't you're not in the lab racking your brain trying
to figure out, oh my god, how can I get that?
It's not this very hard. It's it's like, you know,
(38:17):
to mess up instant oatmeal, just pour just enough water
in it, put it in the microwave.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
We go about our business.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Those guys make your life a lot easier to know
that even when I'm not right, I got a ten
year vet who's a top ten quarterback, and I got
two top ten wide receivers. Life will work itself out.
But I did. I did think. You know that this
team regressed in the red zone some of the play calling,
the clock management, but overall and the Sea's listen sees
(38:50):
get degrees. Okay, don't get your playoffs, but to get
your degrees, what did.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
You guys think? I mean, I don't obviously the last
game whatever, But were you surprised that down six he
started pulling those guys because.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
I was very surprised because you you you told me
compete every day. You told me the two weeks that
you're looking to win, and you wanted to win. You
wanted to go out on top, and you wanted to win,
you know, have the wins in the division. And you
told me all of that, and then you go at halftime, okay,
pull these guys out. Wait, I thought when he was
important here, I thought I thought that was a part
of how you built culture. You told me that that
(39:27):
was a part of building momentum. These are not my words.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
But see that is the part where I give him
a b because we we all know that if that
call come from upstairs, what you're gonna do?
Speaker 9 (39:41):
Yeah, like Shannon said that he have.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
And that his own call.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Well in that case, and then you're not going to
be a winner if that, if we're if we're looking
at that, he's never gonna be able to build what
he wants to build because if the call just come,
when the call comes, and you have to march to
those orders.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Then But see that is why at the beginning of
the year we all talked about this. I want to
see will he be able to manage the players? Whereas
he say on Monday, hey, this guy's hurt, can't play,
then get a show come on Thursday. But god, he's playing.
(40:16):
That's too much. That's too much for any coach. It
should begin and end with the coach once the draft
is over. Understand, you know, you you know, But once
the draft is over, you go over to that side
of the building. Now you become the head coach's responsibility.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
And that's how it should be.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And it's always going to be a rip with the
coaches over the long haul because they can.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That word is not the law. That word has to
be the law. And I'm with you there, but that
is always a thought, you know, is he gonna play
these guys all the way to the end.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
All of a sudden they're out of there? He'll be like, now,
as a guy, are you thinking you need to call up?
Did he make this decision? Too many mind games? Bro,
too many mind games?
Speaker 6 (41:18):
All right, fellas three more minutes? Any other thoughts on
the season before we move forward to the draft next week? Well,
y'all move forward to the draft next week. I will
be on a beach in Mexico this time.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Fans, fans, fans, listen to the draft. Show got great guys,
gonna get a lot of information on a lot of
the great and up and coming talent. But you know
what I'm gonna tell you, Like I bought, and I'm
gonna say it all year, you can draft anything on
defense and you ain't.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Gonna be wrong. Listen to me now.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
But that was another thing, And again, this is what
we this is what they pay us to do. This
what we do is that when you sit up there
and you have an hour and a half, hell love
with that press conference, Chris one hour and twenty six minutes,
a little of an hour. When you have that press conference,
it's our job to pick apart the things that come
out of your mouth because we're supposed to take that
(42:09):
as the truth. And boy, never once did they mentioned
about when off season they stayed away from the russ Edges.
They talked about secondary and having some guys out there
talk about livebacker. That goes back to what I was
saying earlier, is like, yeah, you don't want to say
we need to go get Russians or an edge Russian
because people will go, well, you had to bet one, Yeah,
(42:32):
one of the best. You know what I mean. And
that's not telling your hand because you're trust me, your
hand is open. If they turn on the film, they
watch you this year. They know every team before you
and after you know in the draft exactly what you need.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
What are we picking this year?
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Do we know for sure?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Right now we're twelfth and twenty, but it all depends.
We're twelveth for sure, but what the Green Bay does
in the playoffs will determine whether that twenty moves back,
meaning right the twelve.
Speaker 6 (43:03):
For sure, twelve for sure and then twenty depending on
how they we want them to lose in the first.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Round, so that it right, and and I'm I will
be you know, I want to welcome, you know, rookies in.
I got no damn choice. But for me, if we're
talking about having an immediate turnaround of this football team
and this thing going from worse to first or to
(43:29):
be in that, I need veterans, agents, nee veterans, because
if you this is just Jesse Holly, this is no
one else two positions. If you're I don't care how talented.
Right now they have a lot of people have sunny style.
The Ohio State linebacker mocked to the Cowboys at twelve
creit cool. All right, I don't want a rookie. I
(43:52):
don't want a rookie when he has he has no
one next to him to learn from. And now you
put that pressure in that rookie to come in here
and have to be the answer. They won like Overshown,
but Overshown ain't played enough football to take nobody under
his wing. And please God, I don't want Kenneth Murray
teaching them. Please know, please know, Please know, so you know,
(44:21):
and and and you gotta go get a cover corner.
You gotta go get a cover corner Bland. They're talking
about Blands going to get surgery to correct his foot issue,
screwing his foot whatever. Who knows what happened with that.
Who knows what happened there. They've probably brought Revel back
a little bit too soon, shook him to the core.
Don't know what Kayler Carson is going to be and
(44:42):
come on like this is no disrespect to these young men.
But try Quest Bridges. Tryquest. Shouldn't be getting no reps
out there like that, y'all. Like, I'm not saying that
he shouldn't play in the league, but he shouldn't be
in the conversation of this is a guy in your
starting rotation of dbs that you have to go and
play with. I'm sorry, Track Quiz and Josh Butler.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
And.
Speaker 4 (45:08):
There's a role for you in this league. But if
Bridges is the cornerback on your football team and he's
getting more than special team reps and an occasional, ain't
gonna get in there for a couple of players to
come on back over here, you're gonna be down back.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Any final thoughts, Nate.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Once again, fans, if you think we need a safety
we do. If you think we need a corner, we do.
If you think we need a pass rush edge, we do.
You cannot be wrong. But listen to these guys on
the Draft show. They'll give you the size, the numbers
and everything. That is all great, but you can't be wrong.
We need massive help on our defense and we need Jess.
(45:51):
I'm sorry you got the linebacker. We need a veteran
linebacker and we need a veteran tackle. Please don't go
getting another rookie tackle. I don't need no more unless
he's a top three Kurt.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Any final thoughts, No, it's good to see you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Can we get one point?
Speaker 6 (46:10):
I'll see y'all in two weeks. Have a great show
next week, same time, same place.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Hang up with the boys.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
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