March 19, 2026 • 49 mins
Why haven’t the Cowboys addressed linebacker yet? Should we be worried. Would bringing in a veteran like Bobby Wagner be wise instead of handing the reins over to a rookie? Plus, would Dallas dare draft an offensive player in the first round?
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
He is hanging with the boys now. Your hosts Nate Newton,
Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
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Oh is that what it is?
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It's supposed to be ninety eight degrees over this weekend.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Seventy eight degrees right now feels like seventy three. The
highest eighty five. The low is fifty seven. He is Shennon.
That is Nate in a backus c being keeping his
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Speaker 4 (02:06):
Jesse Rock and the National Champions Reunion two thousand and five.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, getting the spirit maybe getting into spirit?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Is this is this your favorite time of the year, No,
begetting football season?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
What is your favorite sports time of the year?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Football?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Okay, now football season. Would you say the draft? Would
you say training camp? Would you say training camp? Training
is a non player training? Yes, training camp is the
indication that the deposits are starting to come in. The
direct deposits will begin to come in at a feverish pitch.
(02:45):
I love marsh Maddness, but uh, basketball is my favorite
sport of all time.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I love, love, love basketball. Still try to play basketball
twice a week with my guys up at Northwest Bible
Church out to my whop group hook Club. But I mean,
forotball is football is king. But I love me some basketball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So as a fan, do you like March madness better
or or like the beginning of football regular.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Season as a fan March madness? Yeah. As a professional
the beginning of football season because you get paid more. Yes, yeah,
it's like your off season is over.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Yes, you can start splurts.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
A little bit more about you, Kurt, what's your favorite
sports time of the year.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
I like to start a football season. I mean Opening
Day in baseball is always it's a holiday, but it's fun.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah, probably those two events and then just the playoffs,
you know, whether it's football or baseball hockey?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Do you being a being a baseball guy is do
you think opening day is better than opening night.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Of football season?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
As a fan?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yes, yeah, just because of all the who the do
you go every year? No?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I don't usually go, but you know I used to
skip school and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, Rangers do a great job of Opening Day because
you there'll be people out there that won't go to
a game for ten years, Like they'll go, They'll show up,
they'll sell it out, and then never go back. They
do a good job of promoting nothing. What about you, Nate,
what's your favorite sports time of year?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Second round of the NFL playoffs with all the pretenders.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Are going and all the big rockets.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, yeah, all the way.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To super Bowl the second The second round of the
NFL playoffs ain't nothing like I.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Thought you might.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I thought you might like playoff basketball.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Being a big Celtics.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Fan, I like the seventh game of any at the
end of the year, the seventh if it go to
a seventh game, say the thunder Celtics, that seventh game
when you can't make up no more excuses, it's over.
It's like I like finality.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I love Okay, did y'all see Shannon kissing the little
White Girl?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What?
Speaker 8 (05:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Where did you see that?
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Some it was I.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Don't know, it was Facebook, Instagram. I popped up in
a little.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I mean I could. I wasn't planning on it, but
I could's fall listening. Oh no, not that young, not
that little.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Okay, all right, I was like, I was like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
I got engaged back in January and uh.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Just almost killed Nate and then uh we uh I
guess it became Facebook official, social media official last week.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
What's her name?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Her name is Ashley. She's a sweet lady. Okay, Nate,
don't keep nothing private.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
I'm not giving your social security her last name on
the air.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I'm just I know that's me, Nate said. Nate said.
Before we went on the air, he was like, and
here I am thought you was in the big.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Black men and social media.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
That a little white girl you hugging out. I'm glad.
I'm glad you turned away, turned away and went back.
Oh all right, free agency. Are we done? Are we done?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
It's been very quiet, right, very quiet.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Kind of came out of the gates like, okay, this
might be different this year. Signed a couple of good pieces,
nothing really groundbreaking, not and breaking the bank.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And then just crickets the last what week? Are we finished?
We are we going to.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Try to correct our problems in the draft now or
you guys think there's more stuff coming.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I hope, I hope we're not finished. I hope not.
I hope that there is still I said this last week,
this is one of those drafts where it isn't a
draft that is littered with premier talent. You got maybe
about three or four guys who you really can say,
all right, these are premier talented dudes, and then after
(07:10):
that it's kind of just okay. And the last thing
that you want is to just dump a rookie, especially
as your green dot, as your middle linebacker. You don't
want to dump a rookie in this situation and be
like all right, here you go swim right, and you're
trying to have an improved defense. That's why I think
(07:30):
there still should be some movement, whether it be a
trade or you know, signing a free agent guy. But
you got to you have to answer that linebacker position
at least slightly in free agency so that you're not
overwhelming one of these young kids that are coming in
here that I feel like you are going to draft
a linebacker, but but go ahead and get you a
(07:52):
veteran guy or too man. You know, at every position.
Don't get you another defensive end, go get you another
you know, two linebackers, you know, got get you another.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Core this surprisingly, they have an addressed linebacker at all.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I am, I am surprised, such a glaring need.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And they're and they're the kings of going and getting
a c when there's a need, right right, like, okay,
this is a little bit better than what we had.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's not. They haven't even done that. And and my only,
I guess my only counter to that is listening to
Christian Parker and how he talked about how he wants
to run his defense and it's it's from top down,
back forth, right, it's from yeah, it's from the back forward.
And so he wants to and he has he's addressed that,
you know, signing Jalen Jalen Thompson and p J. Locke
(08:38):
and Kobe Durant. So he's addressed some of that back
end H help that was necessary. Then of course getting
Rashan Gary up front. Uh, you still got guys like
Geneveon Clowney in your back pocket if you need to
go sign another rush end. But to not address that
that linebacking position in this defense's gonna be two linebackers, right,
(09:01):
the traditional three four give you that two linebacker look
to not address that and only go with right now,
with tomorrow and overshown Shamar James. I forget the other
kid's name, Marri Sleiafoul, but he's probably gonna be more
of of that rush outside. You know what I'm saying.
So you gotta go find you gotta get some veteran
(09:23):
help in here. This is just necessary.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Any interest in a thirty six year old that's worth
about seven and a half million dollars bringing him in here.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yep, to me, it is yeah. To me, it is.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You're a big fan.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I am. I just I just think that level of
player can help you.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Bobby Wagner, Bobby.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Wagner's been talking about, Yeah, I don't need Bobby wagon
to play. Bobby gonna pay about one thousand snaps last
year for the Washington Commanders. I don't need that. I
need four hundred. I need four to fifty, right, But
I need that level of leadership, of teaching, of of
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of putting a young kid under the wing. I need
him to grab this defense with Christian Parker teaching them
and saying we're staying after practice, knowing where to line up,
knowing where to line up like that type of stuff
is paramount when you're trying to establish yourself as a
new defense. Is getting some of a good mesh and
mixture of veteran, established players and young players that that
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that that helps, that helps bridge that gap, that helps
teach the future, and it still gives you a solid
piece that in in necessary moments, you have that on
your roster.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
What would you do Nate a linebacker?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Uh, I don't know if I want to spend a
seven point five if I can get them four hundred snaps, I.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Don't think it's gonna be that much. I don't think.
I think it's gonna be about between four and five
right there? Ye bringing me in? Yeah? Bring MANI he's
thirty six years old. I mean, I think I think
Bobby Wagner has a he's a he's a smart dude.
He realizes that his value isn't what it once was.
He knows his value now was more so me giving
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back to the game. I think five I think five
million dollars with maybe five million with seven million dollar
incentives added to it. You know, sack numbers and tackle numbers,
and if you make a Pro Bowl and playoff like that,
like to get it up to seven million, but five
million I think to bring could bring in Bobby Wagner, see.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Because what I don't want to happen is and I
think Bobby got enough if you stick around, say up
around about six hundred snaps at the most. Now he
can get there. Ember last year, we brought in this guy.
We bringing this guy and they knew where to be.
They can point, if they had to pump, they could
put all going right here.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
Now I may have a problem. Get there.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
No more of that, please? Would there be a.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Lot of value to you mentioned it, Jesse bringing him
in from an educational standpoint as a as a locker
room guy, and then drafting you a stud an inside
linebacker or hell even outside linebackers or somebody around him
where he mentorship and like, hey, tim me a young fella,
like let me let me tell you how to do
this teach on the business side.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Everything right, when we talk about becoming a professional, it's
not just knowing what's in the playbook. There's so much
more to that. Like I bet you, I bet you
there's a high percentage of rookies first and second year
dudes who if we walked down there and I said,
put the tape on, show me how to study? They
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couldn't tell you. They don't know, They don't know. They
just think, I'm just gonna watch the same play over
and over and over and over and over and over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Is that because we haven't had that person on the
team in the locker room recently?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Or is that just a byproduct of you haven't you
haven't had that person like not on the defensive side.
You know, I think I think you have that in
Dak Prescott. You see when he pull his guys in
and say, you know, hey, we're all going to Atlanta.
We're all going somewhere and we're gonna do our little
our trip. Do you know that's the kind of guy
that brings guys in. And you know, watching a little
bit of film, you always hear about, you know, you
(13:15):
used to always hear about Matthew Stafford and uh and
some of his receivers. Right, they had the I guess
the football version of the Breakfast Club, and you know,
Cooper Cup and them, they would be in there at
six am and they're having breakfast in the watching film
and then you wonder why they can go out in
there and then he can look this way and throw
it this way and have know that Cooper Cup is
gonna be there. That don't come just because of magic.
(13:37):
That comes because there's a there's a trust built, there's
a report, there's a there's a repetition that's put into that,
and now you're able to go to a place like
there when you need it the most. And I think
we haven't had that on this defense, partly because it's
just you just haven't had those leaders on there. And
then the second thing is a lot of these dudes
is fighting for their own for fighting for their own life.
I can't teach what I don't know until I don't
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know what I don't. If I don't know it, I
can't sit. I'm not calling the meeting. And this is
why we had what we had last year when we
came in here weekend and we got people saying, I
don't know, I'm confused, no communication because they don't Half
of them probably don't know how to study.
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All right, Kurt, Yeah, before we get into this draft
hyperbole and scenarios, you have a couple of bullet.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Points in here. Won't you go over them? A lot
of them about linebacker.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And moving positions and things like that.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
You're talking like Overshown and Williams. Yeah, I just one
of the guys. Get your opinion. I mean we talked
about the linebackers earlier and all that, and one of
the few they have on their off roster right now.
They say the middle linebacker's Overshown. I mean he's six
two two twenty or something. That doesn't sound like a
middle linebacker to me. I always thought he'd be maybe
(17:46):
an edge rusher. Am I missing something here, especially for
a guy who's injury prone?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah? I think they're just putting names in spots right now.
But they don't have they don't have they don't have
enough in there. But Overshown is definitely going to be
your He's going to be your other linebacker. So he's
going to play that you have two middle linebackers and
not too many, but two linebackers in the middle. He's
not going to be your green dot. Your green dot
is normally your middle linebacker. He's going to be the
scraper guy. He's gonna be with you. Whether you consider
him a will or Sam, how would they want to
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play that? But he's going to be that guy who's
just you know, the Mikes downhill in position.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
No, no hope. Could Sam Williams be that guy because
they've hired him or brought him back to be an
edge guy. But he's he's been a gunner and he's
to sixty sixty four or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And I want to say this, and the most respectful
way is possible, we go No. I'm serious because I
don't want anybody to think I'm I'm attacking them or
or anything of that nature. I don't think Sam. I
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don't think Sam has the capacity to be able to
get the entire defense and set up and then go
play football. I don't. I don't think that's in his wheelhouse.
I think he's more of tell me where to go
point in the direction and let me go that that
that that green dot is is a special individual. It is.
(19:15):
It is. It's the guy who's calling the plays, who's
calling the shifts and the adjustments and and the checks.
He's he's responsible for getting a lot of other guys
lined up as well. I just a lot of guys
can't handle that role. I don't believe that's in Sam's ministry. Yeah,
(19:35):
and I'm respectfully, I'm not saying I'm not trying to
come off. I just don't mean that's in his It's
not in his ministry. So to put him at that position,
I don't know that wouldn't be a good look.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
How much does you know there's been some trust issues
with him on and off the field, you know, some
boone hand penalties after plays, things like that, all field stuff.
When you're trying to pick somebody to anchor your defense.
That does that go into the equation too, Like can
we trust this guy on and off the field or
is it like if he's a good player, we roll
the dice.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
No. Most of the time you're a green dot or
your quarterback, you usually are the good decision makers. Like
that's just it's kind of just goes along with the
with the territory. Right, those are the guy that you
want to be able to trust because when timpers are flaring,
when the game is on the line, when emotions are high,
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when you're facing whoever's across playing quarterback, you got to
be level headed. You got to be able to get
the call from the sideline. And it's like the quarterback.
I have to know where everybody is going. I have
to know what the coverages in the back end. I
have to know if we got stunts happening up front,
and then I have to know where do we fill in?
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And then I have to know what are my keys
relative to the offensive line. Well, what happens when they motion,
what happens when they shift three by one, two by two? Right,
A bunch said, Oh the back, the running back is
now out wide. All of that stuff has to come
into play, and that that that falls on the shoulders
of the green dot, the middle linebacker, and everybody's not
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everybody doesn't have the capacity to handle that position.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Was that Norton back in your day?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, Norton.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
The thing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Fellas, uh Sam is just not that guy. He didn't
come in this league as that guy. He came in
as I remember, great athlete, Go get the quarterback. That's
who Sam was. Uh can play special teams? This multi
talented because he was such a big, great athlete, and
(21:42):
that is who Sam is. Don't come into his fourth
or fifth year and thinking he's he's he's changed.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He's not. That's that's who he is.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
When did the when did the communication the mikes and
the hell or the receiver and the helmet? When did
that come into existence?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Especially Chris Bean question, do you know Chris about ten
years ago, twelve, twelve years ago? Longer than that, longer
than that, It wasn't back where it wasn't talked about
like it is now. You know it was you know,
uh didn't Norton didn't have it when I was. It
didn't wasn't there when I was playing.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Didn't it start off just with the quarterbacks, just the quarterbacks?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Quarterbacks?
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, then back, and then it was the linebacker because
they said it was.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Unfair linebackers two thousand and eight, Yeah, how many years
and then two thousand and eight for linebackers.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, twelve yeah, eighteen, Yeah, I was off, But I
know I want that because the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Is this right here?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You've always had the like Ken Norton was the master,
and it started against us, against.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
His own team.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He would he would read formations. He would just like
Jess was giving out different different formations. Ken Norton would
be just actually hollering them in practice. And that's where
it's started him. So when they came to get the
game plan, it was just a routine. Like Sean Lee,
he was built to do that. Some guys they.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Enjoy understanding the whole defense.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Uh, you used to see that a lot way linebackers
going out and just touching defensive line.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
But hey, man, get get lined up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You see less and less of that now because, like
Jesse said, these dudes fighting.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
For their own life.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So when you don't know, you know, you don't know
that he's got Oh he needs to be an outside
eye because he got contained. You set up that wondering
why you getting picked because this dude don't got washed
down on you because he ain't got contained.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
You remember that, Uh remember that good clip. It was
uh it was I think it was Clay Matthews. It
was Clay Matthews and it was Cam Newton and that
talking at the line of scrimmage and he's gonna Cam
call something, and then Clay called something back and he's like, oh,
you've been watching film, been watching film, right, And then
like you watched like Luke Keiley. He used to have
moments like that, you know, like they you know they'll
(24:01):
have that. Of course, you remember the great Ray Lewis
where he and him and him and Peyton Manning and
they and they're just like, that's a that's a lot.
That's a lot going on. When you gotta face, when
you gotta line up front, you gotta know to back it,
and then I gotta know all the checks that he's making. Yes,
people just don't have that. And that's why I'm saying,
you know, everyone right now is pegging like.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
C. J.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Allen from Georgia as the Cowboys twentieth pick if he's
there at twenty. I don't want c. J. Allen to
come in here and now have to be learning on
the run while still trying to because this defense is
going to be they're gonna love to learn, you know
what I mean. But that's why having someone in here,
because it doesn't have to be Bobby Wagner, That's who
I like it could be another veteran linebacker that's still
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able to go out here and play, but being able
to say because sometimes a coach may say something as
far as a play or a call and it just
may not resonate, whether he's not saying it properly, whether
whatever it may be. But then you may have a
vet that comes by and be like, think of it
like this, and now clicks, you know what I mean,
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And now it helps you. It helps to ease because
the last thing you wanted as a young player who
is frantically trying to get these play calls and you
got guys in the back and like, hey, hey, what's it?
What's it called? And he looking around and hut ball
go on? Now everybody were confused.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm gonna tell you, man, one of the biggest things
that fascinated me was I know Dion was smart and
football since coming sent football smart.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
And I knew Ray was smart. You know.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was why that's worldwide everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But we were all still playing, and I was over
there at Prime's crib just messing around having fun, and
I and and Ray was that we tap up, you know,
homeboys and stuff like that, and I and I and
I don't call myself gonna sit down at the table.
It acts a few you know, trying to be smart.
Because I heard these two guys are smart and try
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to be and they ran me away from there about
five minutes. I said, all right, I get because hearing
people like Jesse is like that. Jesse is smart like this.
So when you hear people that's actually talking on the
same wavelength with the same basic terminologies.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And they and asked, okay, that what that means for
y'all and what that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Means, well, that's covered two, that's covered for always six
over here.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
And I'm sitting there saying, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Hey I have now I got to get up the
leader that But they enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy that,
so I never acted like I was that. But that
is what crushed us last year. I'm not saying we
would have had a great defense, but just think if
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everybody was on the same page, everybody knew their abilities
and aligned to their abilities and plage, this team would
I'm not saying you'd have had two or three more wins,
but this team would have looked much better.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
You agree, no, And I said this to you guys
last year, like who who was the guy that you
looked around and said, he's the guy that's gonna bring
us in for more film study. There wasn't a guy
like kind of a you know, off off air conversation
was and I won't say who was from, but talking
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about Kenneth excuse me, canine Kenneth Murray. He was just
surviving every week. He was so beat down. This is
what I'm being told that he was so beat down
every week. Just what what what the media is saying?
What the team is playing? Like what he's playing? Like,
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imagine a man every single day is just And I
applauded him because it never once did he barked back
at the media like some of these guys do catch
do and be like, oh you don't. I was told
he was so beaten down every single day that he
would leave here so defeated, so so so how was
how was a guy like that supposed to help other guys?
(28:01):
In your defense, he's trying to he's trying to survive himself. Right,
you got, you got, you got, you got the other
guy you got uh uh brn Logan Wilson help. He's
been half He was contemplating retirement that's the whole other thing.
We got. We got Yeah he did retire. Yeah we
got sold to building hill of beans about how he
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was supposed to come in here and do something that home,
but was halfway home. He was halfway home. He was
halfway home mentally.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know what, more than just's point on on on Murray,
I've seen a guy beat down like that. When you
put a guy there that's beat down, he's not gonna
ever stick with the defense because now he's like, I'm
gonna show them, I'm finna make a play. And the
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more the harder you try to play outside the lines
and you think you see something, it's just getting bigger
and bigger, to the point where nobody's going this way,
you going that way, and the porner is on you.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And you can't you can't take him out because you know,
they talked about Logan Wilson the accent multiple times of practice.
Are you hurt? He's like, no, No, I'm not hurt. He's like, no,
are you hurt?
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I forgot the playing on it.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
They was asking all you We're trying to give you
out you hurt because yeah, you know what, Yeah you
are you hurt? No, I ain't hurt. I ain't hurt. Okay,
you sure cause, boy, you you sure you ain't nothing
wrong with you because we seen you out of the
practice field. Are you hurt? You show you They trying
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to give my boy out, so like that's the thing.
You had to keep putting Kenneth out there, and he's
just just drowning.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So trying to make a play, trying to show everybody
he can play. You ain't even he ain't even looked
at the script. He ain't even looked at the first
fifteen or twenty. He ain't looked at the script at all.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I think at that point it's confidence would have been
so low that he just I can't, I shouldn't do
this because you know.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You second guess everything. You're a step slow, two steps slow,
and in this league, at that position, let him in
his prime, you be, you be a step late, and
I got to the second level and he got them
palls on you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Good luck, good luck, hell now, good luck man, good luck.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Just you gonna kept that story to yourself. I'm just
saying so that this is this is what you have
to come into. You have to come into this situation
and be a fixer. And if you're not a confident
dude and know what you're doing and have been around
for a while to know what's happening, did you drowned?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Did you see guys like that on the field, Like
you knew that middle linebacker was just lost?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Bro, when you just throw their head one way and
they come flying up there to be like, wow, you
know what I'm saying, It happens, But I just what
I don't want to hear is a player that's defeated
because he's not gonna follow the script.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He's not that that's why you had a butt Like
last year you had a bunch of them. You had
you had, I mean Samborne couldn't play. Logan is one of.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Them guys that knew where to be.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But Logan was the same one I know to get
over there. My body won't let me get over there. Wow, Diggs,
he lost his confidence, He didn't believe in his com rebel,
didn't have the confidence that he needed.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Donovan Wilson was another one. Only dude is so again
this is these are the guys that you're looking to
help your defense out. No one's rallying the troops because
everyone's saying no let me get my life rath On first,
I'm drowning. I'm gonna help somebody else. They kicking my
butt every single week. You you hear how, Jesse, you
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m talking about me down there? You hear how? And
you got six guys like that? Who's helping who? That's
why you gotta have That's why. Like when you hear
like guy like PJ. Locke, who's here, and he spoke
very highly of Christian Parker. He's gonna help guys. He's
a veteran, he's been around this system. You know. He
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talked about how Christian Parker wants to eliminate the gray
areas well. He can help with that because he knows
the language, he knows what they're looking for. Same thing
with with Jalen Thompson. He's gonna be able to help
with certain things right in that secondary, being able to
help guys get lined up, because knowing what to do
is half the game. Is more than talk about confidence.
(32:29):
I may not be the most talented, right and that's
that's but I play with a different level of confidence
when I know what to do.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Is there a linebacker out there that's familiar with Christian
Parker and or his scheme and what he likes to do.
That could come in and kind of have a you know,
immediate already know this, already got this figure.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I think from a linebacking perspective, like a lot of
it doesn't change in the sense of my responsible are
for him, it's going to be the second Like for
Christian Parker's gonna be that secondary. Look what does that
look like and how that changes between the you know,
because cover four cover format that does not really have
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a lot of responsibility on the inside linebackers.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
So he may be saying, hey, go build this up,
I'll deal with this.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Well, that's his specialty. Yeah, specialty is his secondary. So
that that's the part that he knows well. He comes
from being a dB coach, So that part is like,
you know, when we had dan Quinn, dan Quinn's specialty
was front line, right, so he's like, I know what
to do upfront. I get me some guys up front.
I can figure that out now, Matt ebra Flewis his
was supposed to be linebackers. That was supposed to be
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his specialty, you know what I mean. So most coaches
on the defensive side comes from something they come from secondary,
They come from the defensive line or they come from linebackers.
So we had dan Quinn knew what to do up front, right,
he knew how to create that pressure up front. E
Flu's not so much TVD on whether or not Christian
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Parker will be able to get the back end. Recuse
he fleus out of notice.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Don't mean nothing now, but bruh, you have people that
did even want to play. Really, Oh hey, you forgotten
this guy you got don't want to play?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I don't want to play.
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Speaker 5 (36:47):
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Speaker 6 (37:08):
Thank you Jesse read Yeah, thank you had a big golt.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I did that wing stop is good hot honey, by
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Speaker 5 (37:17):
Jesse got it for me delicious, try good stuff. Excuse
me all right.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Theoretical situation in the draft we all agree, we wouldn't
be heard at all if the first two picks go
to defense.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
May be hell, even the whole draft. Danny McCrae walking by,
Hey Daddy gotty shirts?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Was Boy, what if let's just have fun.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
One of the top offensive linemen that are supposed to
go top five or ten in the draft, or the
running back that everybody's raving over right now? Love, What
if one of those guys fall to you at twenty?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Would you be? Would you take that?
Speaker 12 (38:05):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I wouldn't take the running back, but I might look
at those offensive tackles.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Or would you stick to we need so much help
on defense?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Be my first choice?
Speaker 5 (38:14):
What would you guys do? I would pick up the phone.
I would see who's willing to jump up here and
maybe grab a guy before I took a running back.
I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be opposed to if you
got to twenty and there was because most of the
most of the offensive lineman that's available in this draft,
there's only really like one that's a left tackle. Everyone
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else really fits the mold of being a right tackle.
So if I got to twenty and this is what
I'm faced with in the draft. This didn't fall in
my favor, and there's a right tackle there, I pick
up the phone to see, if you know, if somebody's
willing to kind of, you know, move back a little bit.
I mean, pick up an extra pick. But I'm not
afraid of getting another right tackle. I'm not afraid of that.
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I don't think we need a running back. I also,
you get to that point if you get if you
get to twenty and and you know there is a
there's a high profile tight end or receiver there. I
wouldn't be opposed to that either.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
So you're not opposed to go on offense with with
that first pick.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
If there's if there's no defensive players there, if it
just the draft fell that way. Now, if it's linebackers there,
if it's Jacob Rodriguez, if it's c J. Allen is
still there, then then I'll, you know, I'm fine with
grab one of those doys. I know some people are
off on c. J. Allen now because of his Pro
day yesterday, some people not. Maybe there's some Anthony Hill
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junior out of Texas. I think in the first round
at twenty maybe a bit a bit reaching for him. Uh,
but I'm no I'm no draft expert. I think he's
more of a second maybe third round pick. Yeah, I'll
pick up the phone first, see if I can't trade back.
But I wouldn't. I wouldn't cust the Cowboys if the
draft fell to them and all that was really there
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at you was an offensive lineman, you need them, but
you still you still don't know what you have at left?
The right tackle.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Don't well, yeah same, I think he trade down if
there's not a defensive guy there you love, But yeah,
same way. Offensive tackles, Yeah, you don't. You don't know
what you have there, especially on the left side.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Hurry up, hurry up. Let the bus pass you. Hurry up.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We survived, yes, last year, saying that Dallas Cowboys survived
last year because of two sweet receivers, a quarterback that
had an awesome year, and a solid running back. We
did not survive because we had our good offensive line.
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That was I just kept saying, when is it gonna implode?
And Dak made it through them thanks to those two
wide receivers. And people laughed at me and dumping it
off to this kid for eight one hundred passes for
fifteen yards.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
That is I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You're right, it was not because of our offensive line.
If a right tackle, left tackle, center guard, come at
that twenty at that twenty pick, hurry up, be running
up to the commission, which you deal have eight hundred
phones going off with the same name.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Hurry up.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'm serious, man, because we don't know what's gonna happen
with with our second not second receiver, but the guy
that's unsigned and George man, hurry up.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
All right. I don't know if that was.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
The answer I was expecting of everybody. I was like, no,
we got to get fix the defense.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
But hurry up, bro, what's your thoughts? But if there's
no if there's no if there's no value there defense,
then don't If.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
Please don't reach right does Mazi?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, that'd be my big deal is if all that's
left is a second round, you got a second round
grade on the best defensive player on the board, don't
just don't stretch.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Like take the best available player better if that's second
round is in the thirty second pick, right, Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I just seen him do it too much where
it's anybody got some time?
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Iics you just made my head have.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
A French ride. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
I mean, I've seen him do it too much where
they either draft.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
But if his knee is okay, if his ankle's okay,
if this is okay.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Well, Jerry said, And I don't know how much we
want to take about what Jerry said lately, you know,
bust a budget, but he said, we ain't doing no
more red shirts. And we're not doing any more red shirts.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Now unless that guy that hadn't played in the year
that was gonna be the second overall pick falls into
twenty or you get him in the second day, I
mean the second pick.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I'm with y'all, like we there's so many holes in
this thing. Offensive I mean offensive line.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Yes, let's max.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
Let's tell you something. It's still a big dilemma.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Whether they want to mention it or not, it's still
a big dilemma because guiding has not matured. It's still
a big dilemma. Tyler Smith, it's in the back of
his head.
Speaker 13 (43:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
If my boy I can't get guid in the rock
and roll this year, I'm out there.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
TJ Bash falls into there are the guy that he signed.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
I can't think of the young man Hennessy.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
He's in there.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Now you're looking at a whole different deal. We did
not go six games, and I may be stretching it.
Where we had the same five guys, and if we
can ever get the same five guys going in the
right direction and understanding the front that they're facing, you
can have a better team. Now, the two received was
the running back tight here? How much better that would be.
Speaker 8 (44:02):
The reason Jake couldn't get any yard.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Is because he was the last second. I guess what's
gonna had a whistle or something. Only he could hear
you blow that whistle. He turned around in game five yard.
Speaker 8 (44:14):
I mean, come on, man, I.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
They don't know how good that was last year. Man,
they don't know how good these receivers.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
Was last year.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
We lose one of those guys and it comes in
this pressure fall back on our offensive line.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
It ain't gonna be nice.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I came here multiple weeks and I was just saying, like,
I don't know if y'all see it or not, but
what Dak was doing in that pocket this week? Who
was that might have been one of his greatest contributions
to this team last year. Yes, Like just his ability
to navigate in the pocket and stay alive because there
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were games and it might not be because sometimes you know,
you know, the opens the line was okay because they
didn't have a large sack number. But you press play
on that film and you like, oh no, Dak saved
him from having yeah, four or five six sacks a
game with the way that he was moving that that
was his. He may not be get out the pocket run,
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but it's the movement within the pocket to stepping up
the slide to the rights line to the left. You know,
they they you started seeing them, uh uh to install
that his semi roles. He was rolling out more it
was it was whatever I could do to get away,
get depth, and get away from the offensive line. They
would spin the guy back out and have him pick
up any loose, any loose change that was coming after him.
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But they were doing things because they knew up front
they did they couldn't just stand up there and man
up and just you know, and and and protect for Dakin.
But that was probably one of his greatest contributions that
he gave to this team last year, was his his
pocket mobility and pocket awareness.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
All right, before we get out of here, who y'all
picking for the.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Final four but who's your champion this year?
Speaker 5 (46:04):
So you're going, you're going no, no, no. When we
lost Caleb Williams too, I mean to a broken thumb,
that was it. That was it for us. We'll just
try to we'll try to maintain as far as we can.
But for me, I got Arizona winning though. I think
Arizona is the deepest, the most experienced team. They got
a good mixture of young and old uh freshman's, and
some good players in the back court. You need some,
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you need some backcourt play, some veteran backcourt play. To me,
Arizona is the most complete, uh complete team. I bet you, Kurt,
I don't keep up with it.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
I don't follow it like I used to, and so
I just I just go with my heart instead of
what your heart Kansas.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Always I do think I said on I said on
the show. I said that I think Darren Peterson, for
all that he's been through and done this year with
the sitting out, playing not playing whatever whenever that was,
I think he's set to have a historic run and
he's probably the player out of all the freshmen. You
got a j. Debonsa, you got him, you got a
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cuff and and and Fleming. I mean they got the
fishes the year of the freshman, Coe Pete and Arizona.
He is the most polished. He like he can go
out there and give you thirty at night for three
straight weeks and and just tear it up. But but
whoever comes like, whoever comes out of the East bracket,
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that that's that's a bracket that Brad got Duke, it
got Michigan State, it has Kansas, UH. It's had about
four or five teams at Saint John's.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That he's Brackett And they're all saying, why were playing
each East bracket?
Speaker 5 (47:42):
That that's gonna be that's gonna be a battle tested bracket. Yeah.
I still think Arizona, who's coming from UH, I think
from the west UH side of the bracket. I think
they are the most complete team. But that East bracket
is Clarence have a bracket. Clarence Hill, I don't even know.
Only you know his Texas along had a play the
other night. It barely it barely made it. The barely
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made it may be this eastate, but we'll see. All right,
I don't even keep up.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
I didn't even do a bracket this year, so.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
All right, fellas, good stuff, Jesse, thanks for the food again.
Thanks to Steve Pellegrino. Yeah, Steve, thanks, Steve, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
Steve, what's up before we got here? Happy birthday, Happy
birthday to my niece and my niece's mom. So they
have the same birthday, which is weird, right, I know,
my brother and my brother and my youngest niece, youngest
niece share the same birthday. My middle niece and her
mom share the same birthday. It's wild, right, it's crazy.
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So happy birthday, Toot, and happy birthday Dip, Toot and Dip.
But yeah, Toots, my niece, and then Toot's real name
is Jani, and then Dip her real name is Jaida.
But my brother we just ra nickname. Yeah. Yeah, my
brother first met her years and years ago. He called
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the honey dip. Well should he dip or something like that,
so we just all called a dip. And then two
we don't need I don't even know where to came from,
we can guess, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
No cookies for the big boy in the back.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
Let's see y'all next. Don't do that, well, don't do that.
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Oh is that what it is?
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Tostedo Championship plus outside Fort Center at the Star in Frisco, Texas,
where we had winner for two nights.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
It's supposed to be ninety eight degrees over this weekend.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Seventy eight degrees right now feels like seventy three. The
highest eighty five. The low is fifty seven. He is Shennon.
That is Nate in a backus c being keeping his
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So leave Jesse alone alone. I got it. I got it,
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Speaker 6 (02:02):
Thank you, Thank you very much, Steven, thank you.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Jesse Rock and the National Champions Reunion two thousand and five.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, getting the spirit maybe getting into spirit?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Is this is this your favorite time of the year, No,
begetting football season?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
What is your favorite sports time of the year?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Football?
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Okay, now football season. Would you say the draft? Would
you say training camp? Would you say training camp? Training
is a non player training? Yes, training camp is the
indication that the deposits are starting to come in. The
direct deposits will begin to come in at a feverish pitch.
(02:45):
I love marsh Maddness, but uh, basketball is my favorite
sport of all time.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I love, love, love basketball. Still try to play basketball
twice a week with my guys up at Northwest Bible
Church out to my whop group hook Club. But I mean,
forotball is football is king. But I love me some basketball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
So as a fan, do you like March madness better
or or like the beginning of football regular.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Season as a fan March madness? Yeah. As a professional
the beginning of football season because you get paid more. Yes, yeah,
it's like your off season is over.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Yes, you can start splurts.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
A little bit more about you, Kurt, what's your favorite
sports time of the year.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
I like to start a football season. I mean Opening
Day in baseball is always it's a holiday, but it's fun.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yeah, probably those two events and then just the playoffs,
you know, whether it's football or baseball hockey?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Do you being a being a baseball guy is do
you think opening day is better than opening night.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Of football season?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
As a fan?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yes, yeah, just because of all the who the do
you go every year? No?
Speaker 7 (04:02):
I don't usually go, but you know I used to
skip school and all that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, Rangers do a great job of Opening Day because
you there'll be people out there that won't go to
a game for ten years, Like they'll go, They'll show up,
they'll sell it out, and then never go back. They
do a good job of promoting nothing. What about you, Nate,
what's your favorite sports time of year?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Second round of the NFL playoffs with all the pretenders.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
Are going and all the big rockets.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah, yeah, all the way.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
To super Bowl the second The second round of the
NFL playoffs ain't nothing like I.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Thought you might.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
I thought you might like playoff basketball.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Being a big Celtics.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Fan, I like the seventh game of any at the
end of the year, the seventh if it go to
a seventh game, say the thunder Celtics, that seventh game
when you can't make up no more excuses, it's over.
It's like I like finality.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I love Okay, did y'all see Shannon kissing the little
White Girl?
Speaker 5 (05:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What?
Speaker 8 (05:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Where did you see that?
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Some it was I.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Don't know, it was Facebook, Instagram. I popped up in
a little.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I mean I could. I wasn't planning on it, but
I could's fall listening. Oh no, not that young, not
that little.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Baby.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Okay, all right, I was like, I was like, oh no.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
I got engaged back in January and uh.
Speaker 9 (05:35):
Just almost killed Nate and then uh we uh I
guess it became Facebook official, social media official last week.
Speaker 8 (05:46):
What's her name?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Her name is Ashley. She's a sweet lady. Okay, Nate,
don't keep nothing private.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
I'm not giving your social security her last name on
the air.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
I'm just I know that's me, Nate said. Nate said.
Before we went on the air, he was like, and
here I am thought you was in the big.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Black men and social media.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
That a little white girl you hugging out. I'm glad.
I'm glad you turned away, turned away and went back.
Oh all right, free agency. Are we done? Are we done?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
It's been very quiet, right, very quiet.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Kind of came out of the gates like, okay, this
might be different this year. Signed a couple of good pieces,
nothing really groundbreaking, not and breaking the bank.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And then just crickets the last what week? Are we finished?
We are we going to.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Try to correct our problems in the draft now or
you guys think there's more stuff coming.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I hope, I hope we're not finished. I hope not.
I hope that there is still I said this last week,
this is one of those drafts where it isn't a
draft that is littered with premier talent. You got maybe
about three or four guys who you really can say,
all right, these are premier talented dudes, and then after
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that it's kind of just okay. And the last thing
that you want is to just dump a rookie, especially
as your green dot, as your middle linebacker. You don't
want to dump a rookie in this situation and be
like all right, here you go swim right, and you're
trying to have an improved defense. That's why I think
(07:30):
there still should be some movement, whether it be a
trade or you know, signing a free agent guy. But
you got to you have to answer that linebacker position
at least slightly in free agency so that you're not
overwhelming one of these young kids that are coming in
here that I feel like you are going to draft
a linebacker, but but go ahead and get you a
(07:52):
veteran guy or too man. You know, at every position.
Don't get you another defensive end, go get you another
you know, two linebackers, you know, got get you another.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
Core this surprisingly, they have an addressed linebacker at all.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I am, I am surprised, such a glaring need.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
And they're and they're the kings of going and getting
a c when there's a need, right right, like, okay,
this is a little bit better than what we had.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's not. They haven't even done that. And and my only,
I guess my only counter to that is listening to
Christian Parker and how he talked about how he wants
to run his defense and it's it's from top down,
back forth, right, it's from yeah, it's from the back forward.
And so he wants to and he has he's addressed that,
you know, signing Jalen Jalen Thompson and p J. Locke
(08:38):
and Kobe Durant. So he's addressed some of that back
end H help that was necessary. Then of course getting
Rashan Gary up front. Uh, you still got guys like
Geneveon Clowney in your back pocket if you need to
go sign another rush end. But to not address that
that linebacking position in this defense's gonna be two linebackers, right,
(09:01):
the traditional three four give you that two linebacker look
to not address that and only go with right now,
with tomorrow and overshown Shamar James. I forget the other
kid's name, Marri Sleiafoul, but he's probably gonna be more
of of that rush outside. You know what I'm saying.
So you gotta go find you gotta get some veteran
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help in here. This is just necessary.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Any interest in a thirty six year old that's worth
about seven and a half million dollars bringing him in here.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yep, to me, it is yeah. To me, it is.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
You're a big fan.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I am. I just I just think that level of
player can help you.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Bobby Wagner, Bobby.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Wagner's been talking about, Yeah, I don't need Bobby wagon
to play. Bobby gonna pay about one thousand snaps last
year for the Washington Commanders. I don't need that. I
need four hundred. I need four to fifty, right, But
I need that level of leadership, of teaching, of of
(10:04):
of putting a young kid under the wing. I need
him to grab this defense with Christian Parker teaching them
and saying we're staying after practice, knowing where to line up,
knowing where to line up like that type of stuff
is paramount when you're trying to establish yourself as a
new defense. Is getting some of a good mesh and
mixture of veteran, established players and young players that that
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that that helps, that helps bridge that gap, that helps
teach the future, and it still gives you a solid
piece that in in necessary moments, you have that on
your roster.
Speaker 8 (10:40):
What would you do Nate a linebacker?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Uh, I don't know if I want to spend a
seven point five if I can get them four hundred snaps, I.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Don't think it's gonna be that much. I don't think.
I think it's gonna be about between four and five
right there? Ye bringing me in? Yeah? Bring MANI he's
thirty six years old. I mean, I think I think
Bobby Wagner has a he's a he's a smart dude.
He realizes that his value isn't what it once was.
He knows his value now was more so me giving
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back to the game. I think five I think five
million dollars with maybe five million with seven million dollar
incentives added to it. You know, sack numbers and tackle numbers,
and if you make a Pro Bowl and playoff like that,
like to get it up to seven million, but five
million I think to bring could bring in Bobby Wagner, see.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Because what I don't want to happen is and I
think Bobby got enough if you stick around, say up
around about six hundred snaps at the most. Now he
can get there. Ember last year, we brought in this guy.
We bringing this guy and they knew where to be.
They can point, if they had to pump, they could
put all going right here.
Speaker 8 (11:52):
Now I may have a problem. Get there.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
No more of that, please? Would there be a.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Lot of value to you mentioned it, Jesse bringing him
in from an educational standpoint as a as a locker
room guy, and then drafting you a stud an inside
linebacker or hell even outside linebackers or somebody around him
where he mentorship and like, hey, tim me a young fella,
like let me let me tell you how to do
this teach on the business side.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Everything right, when we talk about becoming a professional, it's
not just knowing what's in the playbook. There's so much
more to that. Like I bet you, I bet you
there's a high percentage of rookies first and second year
dudes who if we walked down there and I said,
put the tape on, show me how to study? They
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couldn't tell you. They don't know, They don't know. They
just think, I'm just gonna watch the same play over
and over and over and over and over and over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Is that because we haven't had that person on the
team in the locker room recently?
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Or is that just a byproduct of you haven't you
haven't had that person like not on the defensive side.
You know, I think I think you have that in
Dak Prescott. You see when he pull his guys in
and say, you know, hey, we're all going to Atlanta.
We're all going somewhere and we're gonna do our little
our trip. Do you know that's the kind of guy
that brings guys in. And you know, watching a little
bit of film, you always hear about, you know, you
(13:15):
used to always hear about Matthew Stafford and uh and
some of his receivers. Right, they had the I guess
the football version of the Breakfast Club, and you know,
Cooper Cup and them, they would be in there at
six am and they're having breakfast in the watching film
and then you wonder why they can go out in
there and then he can look this way and throw
it this way and have know that Cooper Cup is
gonna be there. That don't come just because of magic.
(13:37):
That comes because there's a there's a trust built, there's
a report, there's a there's a repetition that's put into that,
and now you're able to go to a place like
there when you need it the most. And I think
we haven't had that on this defense, partly because it's
just you just haven't had those leaders on there. And
then the second thing is a lot of these dudes
is fighting for their own for fighting for their own life.
I can't teach what I don't know until I don't
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know what I don't. If I don't know it, I
can't sit. I'm not calling the meeting. And this is
why we had what we had last year when we
came in here weekend and we got people saying, I
don't know, I'm confused, no communication because they don't Half
of them probably don't know how to study.
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Speaker 4 (17:10):
All right, Kurt, Yeah, before we get into this draft
hyperbole and scenarios, you have a couple of bullet.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Points in here. Won't you go over them? A lot
of them about linebacker.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
And moving positions and things like that.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
You're talking like Overshown and Williams. Yeah, I just one
of the guys. Get your opinion. I mean we talked
about the linebackers earlier and all that, and one of
the few they have on their off roster right now.
They say the middle linebacker's Overshown. I mean he's six
two two twenty or something. That doesn't sound like a
middle linebacker to me. I always thought he'd be maybe
(17:46):
an edge rusher. Am I missing something here, especially for
a guy who's injury prone?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Yeah? I think they're just putting names in spots right now.
But they don't have they don't have they don't have
enough in there. But Overshown is definitely going to be
your He's going to be your other linebacker. So he's
going to play that you have two middle linebackers and
not too many, but two linebackers in the middle. He's
not going to be your green dot. Your green dot
is normally your middle linebacker. He's going to be the
scraper guy. He's gonna be with you. Whether you consider
him a will or Sam, how would they want to
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play that? But he's going to be that guy who's
just you know, the Mikes downhill in position.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
No, no hope. Could Sam Williams be that guy because
they've hired him or brought him back to be an
edge guy. But he's he's been a gunner and he's
to sixty sixty four or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
And I want to say this, and the most respectful
way is possible, we go No. I'm serious because I
don't want anybody to think I'm I'm attacking them or
or anything of that nature. I don't think Sam. I
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don't think Sam has the capacity to be able to
get the entire defense and set up and then go
play football. I don't. I don't think that's in his wheelhouse.
I think he's more of tell me where to go
point in the direction and let me go that that
that that green dot is is a special individual. It is.
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It is. It's the guy who's calling the plays, who's
calling the shifts and the adjustments and and the checks.
He's he's responsible for getting a lot of other guys
lined up as well. I just a lot of guys
can't handle that role. I don't believe that's in Sam's ministry. Yeah,
(19:35):
and I'm respectfully, I'm not saying I'm not trying to
come off. I just don't mean that's in his It's
not in his ministry. So to put him at that position,
I don't know that wouldn't be a good look.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
How much does you know there's been some trust issues
with him on and off the field, you know, some
boone hand penalties after plays, things like that, all field stuff.
When you're trying to pick somebody to anchor your defense.
That does that go into the equation too, Like can
we trust this guy on and off the field or
is it like if he's a good player, we roll
the dice.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
No. Most of the time you're a green dot or
your quarterback, you usually are the good decision makers. Like
that's just it's kind of just goes along with the
with the territory. Right, those are the guy that you
want to be able to trust because when timpers are flaring,
when the game is on the line, when emotions are high,
(20:26):
when you're facing whoever's across playing quarterback, you got to
be level headed. You got to be able to get
the call from the sideline. And it's like the quarterback.
I have to know where everybody is going. I have
to know what the coverages in the back end. I
have to know if we got stunts happening up front,
and then I have to know where do we fill in?
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And then I have to know what are my keys
relative to the offensive line. Well, what happens when they motion,
what happens when they shift three by one, two by two? Right,
A bunch said, Oh the back, the running back is
now out wide. All of that stuff has to come
into play, and that that that falls on the shoulders
of the green dot, the middle linebacker, and everybody's not
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everybody doesn't have the capacity to handle that position.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
Was that Norton back in your day?
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, Norton.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
The thing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Fellas, uh Sam is just not that guy. He didn't
come in this league as that guy. He came in
as I remember, great athlete, Go get the quarterback. That's
who Sam was. Uh can play special teams? This multi
talented because he was such a big, great athlete, and
(21:42):
that is who Sam is. Don't come into his fourth
or fifth year and thinking he's he's he's changed.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
He's not. That's that's who he is.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
When did the when did the communication the mikes and
the hell or the receiver and the helmet? When did
that come into existence?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Especially Chris Bean question, do you know Chris about ten
years ago, twelve, twelve years ago? Longer than that, longer
than that, It wasn't back where it wasn't talked about
like it is now. You know it was you know,
uh didn't Norton didn't have it when I was. It
didn't wasn't there when I was playing.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Didn't it start off just with the quarterbacks, just the quarterbacks?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Quarterbacks?
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, then back, and then it was the linebacker because
they said it was.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Unfair linebackers two thousand and eight, Yeah, how many years
and then two thousand and eight for linebackers.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, twelve yeah, eighteen, Yeah, I was off, But I
know I want that because the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Is this right here?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
You've always had the like Ken Norton was the master,
and it started against us, against.
Speaker 8 (22:48):
His own team.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He would he would read formations. He would just like
Jess was giving out different different formations. Ken Norton would
be just actually hollering them in practice. And that's where
it's started him. So when they came to get the
game plan, it was just a routine. Like Sean Lee,
he was built to do that. Some guys they.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Enjoy understanding the whole defense.
Speaker 13 (23:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Uh, you used to see that a lot way linebackers
going out and just touching defensive line.
Speaker 8 (23:17):
But hey, man, get get lined up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
You see less and less of that now because, like
Jesse said, these dudes fighting.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
For their own life.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So when you don't know, you know, you don't know
that he's got Oh he needs to be an outside
eye because he got contained. You set up that wondering
why you getting picked because this dude don't got washed
down on you because he ain't got contained.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
You remember that, Uh remember that good clip. It was
uh it was I think it was Clay Matthews. It
was Clay Matthews and it was Cam Newton and that
talking at the line of scrimmage and he's gonna Cam
call something, and then Clay called something back and he's like, oh,
you've been watching film, been watching film, right, And then
like you watched like Luke Keiley. He used to have
moments like that, you know, like they you know they'll
(24:01):
have that. Of course, you remember the great Ray Lewis
where he and him and him and Peyton Manning and
they and they're just like, that's a that's a lot.
That's a lot going on. When you gotta face, when
you gotta line up front, you gotta know to back it,
and then I gotta know all the checks that he's making. Yes,
people just don't have that. And that's why I'm saying,
you know, everyone right now is pegging like.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
C. J.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Allen from Georgia as the Cowboys twentieth pick if he's
there at twenty. I don't want c. J. Allen to
come in here and now have to be learning on
the run while still trying to because this defense is
going to be they're gonna love to learn, you know
what I mean. But that's why having someone in here,
because it doesn't have to be Bobby Wagner, That's who
I like it could be another veteran linebacker that's still
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able to go out here and play, but being able
to say because sometimes a coach may say something as
far as a play or a call and it just
may not resonate, whether he's not saying it properly, whether
whatever it may be. But then you may have a
vet that comes by and be like, think of it
like this, and now clicks, you know what I mean,
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And now it helps you. It helps to ease because
the last thing you wanted as a young player who
is frantically trying to get these play calls and you
got guys in the back and like, hey, hey, what's it?
What's it called? And he looking around and hut ball
go on? Now everybody were confused.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I'm gonna tell you, man, one of the biggest things
that fascinated me was I know Dion was smart and
football since coming sent football smart.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
And I knew Ray was smart. You know.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was why that's worldwide everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But we were all still playing, and I was over
there at Prime's crib just messing around having fun, and
I and and Ray was that we tap up, you know,
homeboys and stuff like that, and I and I and
I don't call myself gonna sit down at the table.
It acts a few you know, trying to be smart.
Because I heard these two guys are smart and try
(25:56):
to be and they ran me away from there about
five minutes. I said, all right, I get because hearing
people like Jesse is like that. Jesse is smart like this.
So when you hear people that's actually talking on the
same wavelength with the same basic terminologies.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And they and asked, okay, that what that means for
y'all and what that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Means, well, that's covered two, that's covered for always six
over here.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
And I'm sitting there saying, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Hey I have now I got to get up the
leader that But they enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy that,
so I never acted like I was that. But that
is what crushed us last year. I'm not saying we
would have had a great defense, but just think if
(26:45):
everybody was on the same page, everybody knew their abilities
and aligned to their abilities and plage, this team would
I'm not saying you'd have had two or three more wins,
but this team would have looked much better.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
You agree, no, And I said this to you guys
last year, like who who was the guy that you
looked around and said, he's the guy that's gonna bring
us in for more film study. There wasn't a guy
like kind of a you know, off off air conversation
was and I won't say who was from, but talking
(27:20):
about Kenneth excuse me, canine Kenneth Murray. He was just
surviving every week. He was so beat down. This is
what I'm being told that he was so beat down
every week. Just what what what the media is saying?
What the team is playing? Like what he's playing? Like,
(27:41):
imagine a man every single day is just And I
applauded him because it never once did he barked back
at the media like some of these guys do catch
do and be like, oh you don't. I was told
he was so beaten down every single day that he
would leave here so defeated, so so so how was
how was a guy like that supposed to help other guys?
(28:01):
In your defense, he's trying to he's trying to survive himself. Right,
you got, you got, you got, you got the other
guy you got uh uh brn Logan Wilson help. He's
been half He was contemplating retirement that's the whole other thing.
We got. We got Yeah he did retire. Yeah we
got sold to building hill of beans about how he
(28:23):
was supposed to come in here and do something that home,
but was halfway home. He was halfway home. He was
halfway home mentally.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You know what, more than just's point on on on Murray,
I've seen a guy beat down like that. When you
put a guy there that's beat down, he's not gonna
ever stick with the defense because now he's like, I'm
gonna show them, I'm finna make a play. And the
(28:50):
more the harder you try to play outside the lines
and you think you see something, it's just getting bigger
and bigger, to the point where nobody's going this way,
you going that way, and the porner is on you.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And you can't you can't take him out because you know,
they talked about Logan Wilson the accent multiple times of practice.
Are you hurt? He's like, no, No, I'm not hurt. He's like, no,
are you hurt?
Speaker 7 (29:14):
I forgot the playing on it.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yea.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
They was asking all you We're trying to give you
out you hurt because yeah, you know what, Yeah you
are you hurt? No, I ain't hurt. I ain't hurt. Okay,
you sure cause, boy, you you sure you ain't nothing
wrong with you because we seen you out of the
practice field. Are you hurt? You show you They trying
(29:38):
to give my boy out, so like that's the thing.
You had to keep putting Kenneth out there, and he's
just just drowning.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
So trying to make a play, trying to show everybody
he can play. You ain't even he ain't even looked
at the script. He ain't even looked at the first
fifteen or twenty. He ain't looked at the script at all.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
I think at that point it's confidence would have been
so low that he just I can't, I shouldn't do
this because you know.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
You second guess everything. You're a step slow, two steps slow,
and in this league, at that position, let him in
his prime, you be, you be a step late, and
I got to the second level and he got them
palls on you.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Good luck, good luck, hell now, good luck man, good luck.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Just you gonna kept that story to yourself. I'm just
saying so that this is this is what you have
to come into. You have to come into this situation
and be a fixer. And if you're not a confident
dude and know what you're doing and have been around
for a while to know what's happening, did you drowned?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Did you see guys like that on the field, Like
you knew that middle linebacker was just lost?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Bro, when you just throw their head one way and
they come flying up there to be like, wow, you
know what I'm saying, It happens, But I just what
I don't want to hear is a player that's defeated
because he's not gonna follow the script.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He's not that that's why you had a butt Like
last year you had a bunch of them. You had
you had, I mean Samborne couldn't play. Logan is one of.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Them guys that knew where to be.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But Logan was the same one I know to get
over there. My body won't let me get over there. Wow, Diggs,
he lost his confidence, He didn't believe in his com rebel,
didn't have the confidence that he needed.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Donovan Wilson was another one. Only dude is so again
this is these are the guys that you're looking to
help your defense out. No one's rallying the troops because
everyone's saying no let me get my life rath On first,
I'm drowning. I'm gonna help somebody else. They kicking my
butt every single week. You you hear how, Jesse, you
(31:46):
m talking about me down there? You hear how? And
you got six guys like that? Who's helping who? That's
why you gotta have That's why. Like when you hear
like guy like PJ. Locke, who's here, and he spoke
very highly of Christian Parker. He's gonna help guys. He's
a veteran, he's been around this system. You know. He
(32:09):
talked about how Christian Parker wants to eliminate the gray
areas well. He can help with that because he knows
the language, he knows what they're looking for. Same thing
with with Jalen Thompson. He's gonna be able to help
with certain things right in that secondary, being able to
help guys get lined up, because knowing what to do
is half the game. Is more than talk about confidence.
(32:29):
I may not be the most talented, right and that's
that's but I play with a different level of confidence
when I know what to do.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Is there a linebacker out there that's familiar with Christian
Parker and or his scheme and what he likes to do.
That could come in and kind of have a you know,
immediate already know this, already got this figure.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
I think from a linebacking perspective, like a lot of
it doesn't change in the sense of my responsible are
for him, it's going to be the second Like for
Christian Parker's gonna be that secondary. Look what does that
look like and how that changes between the you know,
because cover four cover format that does not really have
(33:12):
a lot of responsibility on the inside linebackers.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
So he may be saying, hey, go build this up,
I'll deal with this.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Well, that's his specialty. Yeah, specialty is his secondary. So
that that's the part that he knows well. He comes
from being a dB coach, So that part is like,
you know, when we had dan Quinn, dan Quinn's specialty
was front line, right, so he's like, I know what
to do upfront. I get me some guys up front.
I can figure that out now, Matt ebra Flewis his
was supposed to be linebackers. That was supposed to be
(33:42):
his specialty, you know what I mean. So most coaches
on the defensive side comes from something they come from secondary,
They come from the defensive line or they come from linebackers.
So we had dan Quinn knew what to do up front, right,
he knew how to create that pressure up front. E
Flu's not so much TVD on whether or not Christian
(34:03):
Parker will be able to get the back end. Recuse
he fleus out of notice.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Don't mean nothing now, but bruh, you have people that
did even want to play. Really, Oh hey, you forgotten
this guy you got don't want to play?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
I don't want to play.
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Speaker 6 (37:08):
Thank you Jesse read Yeah, thank you had a big golt.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I did that wing stop is good hot honey, by
the way, Yeah, I told you first time I've had it, honey.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Jesse got it for me delicious, try good stuff. Excuse
me all right.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Theoretical situation in the draft we all agree, we wouldn't
be heard at all if the first two picks go
to defense.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
May be hell, even the whole draft. Danny McCrae walking by,
Hey Daddy gotty shirts?
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Was Boy, what if let's just have fun.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
One of the top offensive linemen that are supposed to
go top five or ten in the draft, or the
running back that everybody's raving over right now? Love, What
if one of those guys fall to you at twenty?
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Would you be? Would you take that?
Speaker 12 (38:05):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
I wouldn't take the running back, but I might look
at those offensive tackles.
Speaker 6 (38:09):
Or would you stick to we need so much help
on defense?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
Be my first choice?
Speaker 5 (38:14):
What would you guys do? I would pick up the phone.
I would see who's willing to jump up here and
maybe grab a guy before I took a running back.
I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be opposed to if you
got to twenty and there was because most of the
most of the offensive lineman that's available in this draft,
there's only really like one that's a left tackle. Everyone
(38:36):
else really fits the mold of being a right tackle.
So if I got to twenty and this is what
I'm faced with in the draft. This didn't fall in
my favor, and there's a right tackle there, I pick
up the phone to see, if you know, if somebody's
willing to kind of, you know, move back a little bit.
I mean, pick up an extra pick. But I'm not
afraid of getting another right tackle. I'm not afraid of that.
(38:56):
I don't think we need a running back. I also,
you get to that point if you get if you
get to twenty and and you know there is a
there's a high profile tight end or receiver there. I
wouldn't be opposed to that either.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
So you're not opposed to go on offense with with
that first pick.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
If there's if there's no defensive players there, if it
just the draft fell that way. Now, if it's linebackers there,
if it's Jacob Rodriguez, if it's c J. Allen is
still there, then then I'll, you know, I'm fine with
grab one of those doys. I know some people are
off on c. J. Allen now because of his Pro
day yesterday, some people not. Maybe there's some Anthony Hill
(39:38):
junior out of Texas. I think in the first round
at twenty maybe a bit a bit reaching for him. Uh,
but I'm no I'm no draft expert. I think he's
more of a second maybe third round pick. Yeah, I'll
pick up the phone first, see if I can't trade back.
But I wouldn't. I wouldn't cust the Cowboys if the
draft fell to them and all that was really there
(39:59):
at you was an offensive lineman, you need them, but
you still you still don't know what you have at left?
The right tackle.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Don't well, yeah same, I think he trade down if
there's not a defensive guy there you love, But yeah,
same way. Offensive tackles, Yeah, you don't. You don't know
what you have there, especially on the left side.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Hurry up, hurry up. Let the bus pass you. Hurry up.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
We survived, yes, last year, saying that Dallas Cowboys survived
last year because of two sweet receivers, a quarterback that
had an awesome year, and a solid running back. We
did not survive because we had our good offensive line.
(40:53):
That was I just kept saying, when is it gonna implode?
And Dak made it through them thanks to those two
wide receivers. And people laughed at me and dumping it
off to this kid for eight one hundred passes for
fifteen yards.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
That is I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
You're right, it was not because of our offensive line.
If a right tackle, left tackle, center guard, come at
that twenty at that twenty pick, hurry up, be running
up to the commission, which you deal have eight hundred
phones going off with the same name.
Speaker 8 (41:30):
Hurry up.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I'm serious, man, because we don't know what's gonna happen
with with our second not second receiver, but the guy
that's unsigned and George man, hurry up.
Speaker 5 (41:40):
All right. I don't know if that was.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
The answer I was expecting of everybody. I was like, no,
we got to get fix the defense.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
But hurry up, bro, what's your thoughts? But if there's
no if there's no if there's no value there defense,
then don't If.
Speaker 8 (41:56):
Please don't reach right does Mazi?
Speaker 4 (41:59):
Yeah, that'd be my big deal is if all that's
left is a second round, you got a second round
grade on the best defensive player on the board, don't
just don't stretch.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Like take the best available player better if that's second
round is in the thirty second pick, right, Okay?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I just seen him do it too much where
it's anybody got some time?
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Iics you just made my head have.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
A French ride. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6 (42:26):
I mean, I've seen him do it too much where
they either draft.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
But if his knee is okay, if his ankle's okay,
if this is okay.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Well, Jerry said, And I don't know how much we
want to take about what Jerry said lately, you know,
bust a budget, but he said, we ain't doing no
more red shirts. And we're not doing any more red shirts.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Now unless that guy that hadn't played in the year
that was gonna be the second overall pick falls into
twenty or you get him in the second day, I
mean the second pick.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
I just don't.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I'm with y'all, like we there's so many holes in
this thing. Offensive I mean offensive line.
Speaker 5 (43:03):
Yes, let's max.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
Let's tell you something. It's still a big dilemma.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Whether they want to mention it or not, it's still
a big dilemma because guiding has not matured. It's still
a big dilemma. Tyler Smith, it's in the back of
his head.
Speaker 13 (43:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
If my boy I can't get guid in the rock
and roll this year, I'm out there.
Speaker 8 (43:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
TJ Bash falls into there are the guy that he signed.
Speaker 8 (43:36):
I can't think of the young man Hennessy.
Speaker 5 (43:38):
He's in there.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Now you're looking at a whole different deal. We did
not go six games, and I may be stretching it.
Where we had the same five guys, and if we
can ever get the same five guys going in the
right direction and understanding the front that they're facing, you
can have a better team. Now, the two received was
the running back tight here? How much better that would be.
Speaker 8 (44:02):
The reason Jake couldn't get any yard.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Is because he was the last second. I guess what's
gonna had a whistle or something. Only he could hear
you blow that whistle. He turned around in game five yard.
Speaker 8 (44:14):
I mean, come on, man, I.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
They don't know how good that was last year. Man,
they don't know how good these receivers.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
Was last year.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
We lose one of those guys and it comes in
this pressure fall back on our offensive line.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
It ain't gonna be nice.
Speaker 10 (44:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
I came here multiple weeks and I was just saying, like,
I don't know if y'all see it or not, but
what Dak was doing in that pocket this week? Who
was that might have been one of his greatest contributions
to this team last year. Yes, Like just his ability
to navigate in the pocket and stay alive because there
(44:57):
were games and it might not be because sometimes you know,
you know, the opens the line was okay because they
didn't have a large sack number. But you press play
on that film and you like, oh no, Dak saved
him from having yeah, four or five six sacks a
game with the way that he was moving that that
was his. He may not be get out the pocket run,
(45:18):
but it's the movement within the pocket to stepping up
the slide to the rights line to the left. You know,
they they you started seeing them, uh uh to install
that his semi roles. He was rolling out more it
was it was whatever I could do to get away,
get depth, and get away from the offensive line. They
would spin the guy back out and have him pick
up any loose, any loose change that was coming after him.
(45:39):
But they were doing things because they knew up front
they did they couldn't just stand up there and man
up and just you know, and and and protect for Dakin.
But that was probably one of his greatest contributions that
he gave to this team last year, was his his
pocket mobility and pocket awareness.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
All right, before we get out of here, who y'all
picking for the.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Final four but who's your champion this year?
Speaker 5 (46:04):
So you're going, you're going no, no, no. When we
lost Caleb Williams too, I mean to a broken thumb,
that was it. That was it for us. We'll just
try to we'll try to maintain as far as we can.
But for me, I got Arizona winning though. I think
Arizona is the deepest, the most experienced team. They got
a good mixture of young and old uh freshman's, and
some good players in the back court. You need some,
(46:26):
you need some backcourt play, some veteran backcourt play. To me,
Arizona is the most complete, uh complete team. I bet you, Kurt,
I don't keep up with it.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
I don't follow it like I used to, and so
I just I just go with my heart instead of
what your heart Kansas.
Speaker 5 (46:44):
Always I do think I said on I said on
the show. I said that I think Darren Peterson, for
all that he's been through and done this year with
the sitting out, playing not playing whatever whenever that was,
I think he's set to have a historic run and
he's probably the player out of all the freshmen. You
got a j. Debonsa, you got him, you got a
(47:06):
cuff and and and Fleming. I mean they got the
fishes the year of the freshman, Coe Pete and Arizona.
He is the most polished. He like he can go
out there and give you thirty at night for three
straight weeks and and just tear it up. But but
whoever comes like, whoever comes out of the East bracket,
(47:28):
that that's that's a bracket that Brad got Duke, it
got Michigan State, it has Kansas, UH. It's had about
four or five teams at Saint John's.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
That he's Brackett And they're all saying, why were playing
each East bracket?
Speaker 5 (47:42):
That that's gonna be that's gonna be a battle tested bracket. Yeah.
I still think Arizona, who's coming from UH, I think
from the west UH side of the bracket. I think
they are the most complete team. But that East bracket
is Clarence have a bracket. Clarence Hill, I don't even know.
Only you know his Texas along had a play the
other night. It barely it barely made it. The barely
(48:04):
made it may be this eastate, but we'll see. All right,
I don't even keep up.
Speaker 6 (48:10):
I didn't even do a bracket this year, so.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
All right, fellas, good stuff, Jesse, thanks for the food again.
Thanks to Steve Pellegrino. Yeah, Steve, thanks, Steve, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
Steve, what's up before we got here? Happy birthday, Happy
birthday to my niece and my niece's mom. So they
have the same birthday, which is weird, right, I know,
my brother and my brother and my youngest niece, youngest
niece share the same birthday. My middle niece and her
mom share the same birthday. It's wild, right, it's crazy.
(48:42):
So happy birthday, Toot, and happy birthday Dip, Toot and Dip.
But yeah, Toots, my niece, and then Toot's real name
is Jani, and then Dip her real name is Jaida.
But my brother we just ra nickname. Yeah. Yeah, my
brother first met her years and years ago. He called
(49:03):
the honey dip. Well should he dip or something like that,
so we just all called a dip. And then two
we don't need I don't even know where to came from,
we can guess, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Speaker 6 (49:16):
No cookies for the big boy in the back.
Speaker 5 (49:17):
Let's see y'all next. Don't do that, well, don't do that.
Speaker 13 (49:21):
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