January 15, 2026 • 48 mins
Will the Giants’ new head coach make things even tougher for the Cowboys? Likely so, which is just another reason why the team needs to find the right defensive coordinator. But will that be a savvy veteran or a young gun? Whoever it is, Jesse says there’s one thing he’s got to get right. Plus, what are the biggest differences between the current playoff teams and the Cowboys?
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This segment has brought to you. Oh no, we can't
say that because wingstop is I don't take me, oh Man,
breaking news that happened, not breaking breaking, but kind of breaking.
It already happened late last night early into this morning.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Shots.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh no, not that, not that news. Not not don't
take medicine. Y'all know, y'all know, nothing stays in private.
It's gonna come on the air. But while we all
slept last night in our slumber, after we took our medicine,
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waking up this morning, I don't take medicine. You won't
take no medicine. The New York Football Giants have hired
their head coach. The New York Football Then they didn't know.
They didn't go ebra flues.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They didn't go They didn't go in house either. They
didn't pick somebody that was down the hall. I was
just waiting around.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
They went and got themselves a very well established coach,
someone who has who who is a known of building
culture and uh, pretty good at building good, good teams.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They went and hired John John Harball. John Gym's in
Jim's in Hi. Yeah, so the Cowboys, excuse me, the
Cowboys will now have to face the gym. The John
Harball led New York Football Giants twice a year. Is
that is that move the needle any for you? For
(02:55):
you guys about now the New York Football Giants, which
what we used to count. We come in here, do
the schedule. We usually say Giants twice a year. We're good.
Dak owns them, we're good. Count them as two wins.
That's already on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Unless it's the last game of the year.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it was the last game the year. You know,
the game that we said that we wanted to win.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Work.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But normally we say the Giants two wins a year.
We can argue back and forth about Philadelia, about Washington,
and we usually split against Philadelphia. Does the hiring of
John Harball change the outlook on how you see you
New York Football Giants?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Now?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I think he will be an improvement. But do they
have the players yet to really make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They have a quarterback, right, they have a quarterbacks Jackson.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
They're ending in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Malik Davis if he comes back from this a cl
injury to be what he was, that's a good receiver.
I mean, I don't put scatter Boo in that conversation,
but uh, defensively, you got a dual carter. You'll have uh,
Ryan Burns and sexy. Right, so you got a good
situation up front. Does it change for you?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Kurt?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I think there it's a step in the right direction
for them.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay for sure?
Speaker 7 (04:09):
All right, yeah, Nate, this is every coach's dream to
have a dominant entity within where you going to a
new team and you have something that's dominant, dominant and
an up and coming quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Are proven quarterback? Coach?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Hardball like, okay, where do we sign? This is how
much I need? Give me total control. And I worked
this here. When I heard this this morning, I'm still
saying to myself, did they set this up?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Is this something they did under the table?
Speaker 7 (04:50):
The Ravens said, hey, man, we're finna Let this cat
go call New York to Merylor said, look at him, man,
y'all want to come back to prominence.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
We're finna Let some come on. Fellas. They automatically go
to the top. They go to the top of the
NFC East.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Just yes, top of the NFC East. Because he's gonna
get the most out of his players. That's a that's
a hard ball trade. Is we come in and they
say you don't want to be here? Okay, what we
can give him. You don't want to be here. This
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is how we're gonna do it. We're gonna play sound
just from football. We're gonna run. We're gonna have a
defense that's already dominated. They just needed a direction. They
defenses need a director. Now we got a young quarterback.
We're gonna tell him, hey, bro, every time you run,
you may you may be on this bench.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
We're gonna teach you how to throw the ball more.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Now he knows how to throw the ball, but that
is a priority when we ask you to throw it,
not take off and run and kill yourself.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
That's what we got. The other dude, we're gonna come
off our my scatterbow guy.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
So he's gonna stop to run. He's gonna run the ball.
He's gonna have a discipline team. They automatically go to
the top of the NFC East for.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Who they are.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do this for me, guys. Let's let's do this. If
we had to rank the coaches in the NFC East,
what is your ranking from one to four? So your
coaches would be the head coach of the New York Giants.
John Harball, the head coach of Dallas Cowboys, barn Shotenhaimer,
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the head coach of the Washington Commanders, Dan Quinn, and
then the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles Nicks put.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That pressure on. You don't even rank the Cowboy coach
the other three.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
The other three.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Hardball, the guy in Philadelphia and the guy in.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Washington probably hardball one.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
And then.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I mean, son, he's had them playoffs, super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
It's staying. Then changed just like that. This ain't done changed,
just like that. Br it doesn't change. It's oh, you
got to say it's one thing to Quinn. All you
gotta do is say one thing to Quinn and you lose.
Run run Do I need to finish the city? Run
one hundred and fifty yards? Automatic loss?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Bron Come on now, coach.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
The coach in Philadelphia sitting up right now with the
GM saying, hey man, we can't. It's all right to
have a Charles Haley on your team, but two and
three Charles Haley's you cannot have on your team. And
that's what the Eagles are starting to be. They they
starting to.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Just fall apart, saying, oh yeah, the quarterback don't want
to take chances. You can see that this last game.
He won't run. He won't You know, you got to
be wide open for him to throw you the ball.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
This the Jayalen hurts that we saw with the Saquon
Ugly two thousand that one is got this year. And
what you said, Jess, I don't know if it was
the plays. His abilities are being scared, you know, to
fall out to play.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Come on now, and we need too much. We need
too much as a team to rank us. Excuse me
to rank us up there. We need too much as
a team.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
And I as much as I love d q Q,
they gonna come back and say big news, stab in
the back. But no, brother, no if if all I
gotta do is come out and run the ball in
game over, that's too simple.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So that they won four games this year, do you
think having hardball would have made a Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
They'll have three more games, So they'll won three more games.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Oh yeah, just because just because his defense would have
been tighter. His defense would have been tighter, and they
would have catered to that. See, when you have a
dominant enter team on your team, are that one third
that's dominant you.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Can cater to that.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
There's too many things you can do to cater to
that you know, and and and so.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
That just slanging the ball all around with.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
No with no, with no regards for your defense.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
That that wouldn't that wouldn't happen with him. Uh. Now
they can shock me. They can. They can go there
and say.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Well, we're gonna do this totally different than what where
we normally do it with the hobballs. But have you
ever known a hardball to college our pros to go
in and not improve his team.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You've got a great point.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
We we we talk about culture.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
They they hadn't done nothing with the Chargers, and all
of a sudden two years in a row, then they
made the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The last year too. They didn't make it. Uh didn't.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Yeah, they barely missed, but they may And they made
it with a quarterback that was I mean he was
toe up half of the year.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And they still made the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
I'm just saying, the hardball, man, if you let them
take over the rains, they come and get it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So now that gym, now that John Harball is the
head coach of the giants for the Cowboys, when it
when it because normally, from how I look at it,
you usually build your team to first win a division, right,
that's right. I built my team to dominate this division,
and then I take that win a division, and then
I go and fight out whether I fit you know,
where I fit at and the rest of the conference
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and then across the league. So you you normally draft
and and set your team up looking at your opponents
across the landscape and saying, Okay, I know I got
Eagles twice a year, Philly twice, Philly twice a year,
New York and then Washington also twice a year. So
my team has to beat be able to beat what
they do well, or be able to expose what they
don't do well. Now that Harball is now within the division,
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does that alter the drafting needs or I should say needs,
and these are the needs, but the because you have
to face the Harball team right now, you're looking at
that and you're saying, all right, well, do you go
back and you look at what he had in Baltimore
and say, well, this is probably what he's gonna bring
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to New York and now we have to also combat
for that, or do you just kind of still kind
of go, well, the Eagles have been the people in
this division for the last couple of years that we've
had to contend with. We'll continue to focus on how
to beat, how to build our team to beat and
dominate the reigning NFC East champion.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think you talk about him, he'll
improve the defense of the Giants. Well, they've been facing
a pretty tough defense in Washington. You know that for
at least their front line, and in Philly, their front
line is one of the best arounds. So I don't
I don't think you can make huge chain just to
what to your approach, to the approach, but you know,
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there's so many holes to feel that they could go
several different directions with this.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Slipping the one oh oh, but I would you know,
to a degree, maybe, But I think the cowboys kind
of have to take care of their own business, don't they.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yes, sir, I agree one hundred percent. Don't nothing change.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Don't you start with free you start with free agency.
I mean, when they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine,
and they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine, we should
be snatching us two safeties in a linebacker.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
When they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine, we should
be able to say, hey.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Man, you agree with me, Now I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yet it's landing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, they're an aggressive approaches. So I do I do
think this brings a sense of now that it's not
a sense of urgency here, I do think that there
is a sense of urgency, and we'll talk in the
next segment about the coaching search. I do think that
there was already a sense of urgency because remember we
(13:15):
laughed and joked about this, and y'all called me crazy
and said, Jesse, you messy. When I said, I said, man,
this whole Brian Shotenheimer hiring thing. I said, this don't
go well, this could be sixteen months, and he up
out of here. Well, it didn't go well in that
first year. And now it didn't go well in that
first year, and you've already fired a defensive coordinator. And
(13:37):
we all know that the firing the hiring of defensive
coordinator was a lot to do with the owner. That's
who he wanted. The general manager, owned president was who
he wanted. And so now that he said, okay, all right,
I pulled my hands off of off of the stove.
You picked the next guy. So if this thing doesn't
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go right next year, I'm coming for you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You can't put this one on me because that ain't
my DC. I'm picking. So we don't get this thing
right next year, we don't make the playoffs next year,
that's a that's a shot. So I do think that
there will be a sense of urgency that's already there.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
You don't think, man, we've seen it now that it
takes a while for these defenses of new schemes to
adjust and all that. You don't think they'll give him Okay,
maybe a couple of years at least to try to
figure this out.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
No, no, no, no, no, Jesse, I want to say
this as nice as I can.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
That the statement you just made, We've had.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
That statement twice, mister Nolan, Right is I've got that right.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
They couldn't get it. Now.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
We said with Eva Flus they couldn't get it. They
got it with Quinn they kind of semi last four
or five games with them, they kind of got it.
This this, this is not this is not just a
coaches thing. And I think the way they gonna draft
and then what they're gonna do in free agency is
gonna prove that. Right this you need to be looking
(15:13):
you know a little bit deeper. So you know, I
don't know, man, you gotta look a little deeper playure, So.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We take our first break. When we come back from
our first break, we'll talk about the wide net that
the Cowboys have cast on their defensive coordinator search. And
then also, as we're looking across this playoff landscape, are
there some teams out there that are doing some things,
especially defensively? That's you kind of looking go Should the
Cowboys be a little bit more like that? Should they
do a little bit more of copycat like those guys
(15:42):
with the cathal physicality and all those things. We'll talk
about that when we come back from this break. This
is hang with the boys. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1 (18:18):
As the Cowboys are still searching for their defensive coordinator,
they've added three more names to the list of candidates
that they were looking to interview. Charlie Bullen, you have
DeMarcus Covington. You have Christian Parker. Christian Parker is the
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past game coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles. And let me
see here, DeMarcus Covington is the run game coordinator for
and defensive line coach for the Green Bay Packers. He
might know a guy green Bay on a def it's
a line that we probably could use here. And then
the Giants interim defensive coordinator was Charlie Bullen, who a
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lot of people are saying that the Giants really liked
like he stepped in last year in that interim row
and they don't know if Harball is going to keep him,
but the Giants like him, so that may be something
when you look back on it, that he may stay
in New York. But you add those three names that
(19:24):
the Cowboys have are bringing in, with the addition to
Aaron White Cotton, who's in hot here, former Arizona Cardinals
head coach Jonathan Gannon of course, Jim Leonard, Derant Jones,
and e from Bonda. Those have been the names of
the Cowboys have talked to already.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You like where they're heading with this.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Here's what I do like. No, no, no, hold on date,
hold on, hold on. Here's what I do like. Here's
what I do like. One, the names that you're hearing
aren't normal names that you hear about every day. So
that that leads me to believe that this isn't a
Jerry move, because I don't care what anybody says to me.
(20:10):
If Durrant Jones was on a tour walking through this
hall was walking through this hallway and Jerry's walking the
opposite way, Jerry couldn't point out who Durant Jones was.
So this ain't a Jerry Jones pick. This is Jerry
now allowing Matt excuse me, well, not Matt, allowing Brian
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Schottenheimer to come into this place and say, all right,
these are the guys that I want to talk to.
The second thing about that is which I do appreciate,
is that it is a wide net. And I know
that we want the names like Vance Joseph and Brian
Floores and those type of names, and Rahie morris Is
and jeff ol Bricks the names that we know, but
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these are what we call the disciples of those guys
or next to those guys. You know, remember a couple
of years ago, if you touch to him of the
garment of of Sean McVay, they wanted you right if
Sean McVay sneezed and you gave him a tissue, they
were like, oh, we want you to be out of
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the office coordinator, right. And so while these aren't the
names that we know, is this is a kind of
a youth movement. A lot of these guys. The youngest
those guy in this group is forty seven years old.
And the conversations are being had behind the scenes, and
you're getting information while you're having these interviews. I'm able
(21:36):
to not I but Brian Schotttheimer is able to talk
to some of these younger hipper kind of new age,
defensive mind, energetic. So he's getting information that I think
can help him in the process of Okay, this is
(21:57):
with the angle that we should be going. The language
should sound different than what he heard with ebra Flus
and what he heard with Zim and those names. So
those two that's the two parts about it that I
go okay, Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I like the fact that we don't know any of
these guys and never heard their names. I mean, look
at their they've Matt Eberflue's former head coach, Mike Zimmer,
former head coach Dan Quinn Mike Nolan, Rod Marinelli. Even
going back to Monti Keviny wasn't much of a head coach,
but a long time if it's a coordinator. I like
this new wave. I mean, I think they need that
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and it's refreshing. Even and even with the guys you know,
Flores and Raheem and all those other guys, they want
to be head coaches. They're on the doorstep of being
head coaches. Are you going to go one and done again?
I mean, I love it that they're they're going for
these young guys with hopefully new fresh approaches that could
be here a few years.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I like that. I like that. Like that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
My thoughts is hire one of them and let's go
to work.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Okay, I'm for real, bro, I'm not gonna have nothing
against what you've put there.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Real sweet and he's sweet just as sweet. Man. I'm
with that. Hire one of them and let's go to work.
It's we The day they signed Howard boy was we
are day late.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And every day that he's in that house in New York,
we are day late. How are somebody. Let's go to work.
Let's get us identity.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Now the One thing I will say about these
hirings is because we we we listen to the press
conference and Jerry and Steven and and Shoddy they all
talked about we want a communicator, right, we we we
want a communicator. We want someone that's able to be
(23:53):
a teacher and and what we're what we're doing and
the only question that I have or not question or
but statement. And I think communication is necessary. Right we
all agree that's unnecessary.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Problem this year?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Right, I think teaching is. But I'm big on development.
M Can the guys that you're talking about have they
have they been around long enough? Do they have enough
skins on the wall? Does the Jim Leonards? Does the Gannons?
Does the the dere Jones? Does the u Zach Zach
(24:36):
or excuse me, I forgot Zach orr Uh is in
the compason those guys as well? Does these do these
guys have a history of development?
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Because that's gonna be key. We we we we watch
these other teams in this league perform and some have
some of the star studied players on there, some do not,
Some have them, then lose them and don't miss a beat.
We've been so top heavy for so long. Are you
(25:06):
going to be able to come in here and find
and developed another linebacker. Yeah, go out and get one
in free agency, Sure, go and draft one, but let's
go get some depth pieces. Can you turn Marris lea
File into a player?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Can you turn Shamar James into a player? Can you
turn you know said backup defensive lineman into a good
rotational piece. Can you take this safety and make him
develop him into a good rotational piece. We don't need
stars at every position. I think that's unrealistic. But the
(25:44):
development has been down, I would say in the in
the in the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Last six years with the.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Cowboys, especially defensively, right, like, that part has taken a
major hit. So if you lose an overshown to an injury,
can the next guy come in and I'm not saying
be a superstar, but do the job? And that has
been that has been an issue that the guys that
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have to come in, hell, the starters have been able
to do the job, and then the guys behind that
hasn't been able to do the job. But that hasn't
been a level of development. So that is one of
the things that I will be looking for whenever they
make it higher. Whoever the higher is is said defensive coordinator,
a developer.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Of talents as players. When you see who's maybe coming
in or are you hoping for a guy who's the
krusty veteran who's been around the league and knows saw
the ins and outs, or the fact that a younger
guy who's maybe taken that first step up and maybe
comes with new ideas what as the players would intrigue
(26:53):
you more?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I guess for me, I know the question you ask,
But for me, I want to coach that's gonna give
me a legit chance. You know, if I'm learning this
and I'm doing what you ask me to do it,
I'm and I'm in the right place. Are you gonna
Are you gonna give me that opportunity? Are due to
financial reasons? Are who you like?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The politics?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah? The politician is gonna keep me. You know.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
But if you every one of these dudes gonna be
whoever you hire and that coach stand up and say hey,
you got to earn the right to play, they gonna
believe you until that first couple of weeks after it
gets drunk up good and they ain't getting no res Okay,
same old thing, so that that that that's the guy
you need.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
That's the guy.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
And that's that's my big issue is whoever you hire,
get him in here so he can look at these
players and now you can start making some the right observations.
You can start breaking these guys down to who they are.
And we say, uh, do he developed? But do these
can a player learn? I mean, some guys don't want
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to change, you know, do you want to change?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And those are guys that should be gone right right,
those are the guys who who at the end of
the day, when you go hey, Because any time that
there is a this is in life, this is in business,
this in sports. Whenever there is a when someone comes
in and buys a company, right, they initially come in
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and they fire a lot of people because it becomes
so difficult to put your stamp on something with people
who've been here for a while, because they're setting their ways,
they kind of like they figure some things out about
the NFL life and now they're like, man, this is
and what I do? What you mean, what you mean
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you want to meet what not? We ain't do that.
I ain't even the last three years. What you mean
you want what you mean you required me to do
what the tests? I ain't doing no tests? Well you
know what I'm saying before the game, I ain't doing
no Well, you require that, and so sometimes you gotta
you gotta, you gotta shed some of that some of
that weight in order to bring in that new level
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of energy. That's the part. And whoever this coach that
comes in the good thing is is by sheer. Contract Wise,
a lot of these guys are just going just doing
They just there were one year deals, so some of it,
some of it is already gone, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's you don't have to even make a
(29:29):
tough decision on whether or not that person needs to
be here because contractually you aren't here. You just already
you're just no longer a financial priority to this football team.
So that that does open up the window to being
able to come in and go all right, here my
here are my foundational pieces. Here are my staples. I
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got over Shown, I got Osa, I got Clark, I
got Quinnin, I got Azaraka.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
So so do you take those guys just just Schottenheimer
and maybe it's Will and in who all do you say, Okay,
this is the type of defense we want to play.
These guys fit into this type of scheme. We're gonna
find a coordinator that can fit into that. Or do
you go, here's let's go get a coordinator and he
can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I think it's the ladder. Really, I think it's the ladder.
But I think in that interview you do ask the question, well,
here are fundamental pieces. Tell me how they fit in
your scheme, right, Like, tell me how they fit in
the program that you want to run. Because if it's
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if you give me five names and I go, then
I can only really use three of these guys, coach,
you know what I'm saying, Then now you have to
make another decision. Are the two guys that he can't
fit in his system just unfittable or do we have
to look at ourselves and go okay, because I like
what you're saying and I like that approach, then those
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other two guys are expendable, right.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I just wondered from a rebuilding standpoint, like if a
guy comes in, if you hire a guy, he's like,
I need three guys and the rest of stink. That's
a lot more players you have to you know, build
around your roster and all.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
That the.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
You know, just to keep it real year for me.
This is just to keep it real year for me.
After about four guys, I mean, coach can't be actually
four guys. It's four guys. Everybody else, Hey, man, get
in line. We were bad last year. We were terrible
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as a defense. Whatever the reason it was, we were terrible.
So when you get a new coach and we still
uh and we're talking about more than three guys fellas
Jesse named them earlier, and it ain't grew list.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Just ain't groove a second.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
You know, every coach now nowadays that's a defensive coordinator
better know how to play. It's no such thing as
a four to three coach. No more, there's no such
thing as a three four coach. You better know how
to play this new highbrid system that these offenses putting
out there, whether it's three tight ends, whether it's an
extra offensive lineman, whether it's a naked backfield, you better
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have a package on the game plan for this new
NFL is Wow, man, you don't know what you're gonna get.
So now, like I said, a lot of coordinators ain't
gonna be scared to say, hey, man, you just don't
have the players to do what I want to do.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
You know, I'm in.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Here, this is what I like to run. This is
how I run it. And he may not say it
as plain as I'm saying it, but once he start
explaining it to Shaddy or whoever listening, they're gonna be like, yeah,
they told him you better start free agency because we're
gonna do what he talking about.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
This league demands.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
That you have ultra talented ath. You ain't got to
be the most vicious tackler, but you got to be
in the right place and willing to tackle.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
This is all this is league. It's a look at here, man.
The Texans down there, they.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Let's let's hold that Thought's hold that thought. Let's hold
that No no, no, no, no, yeah, that's where we're
going to second three. So what we're gonna do is
take another break, take our second break of the show.
When we come back, we're looking at the Cowboys and saying,
all right, cool, what what does it look like?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Because we've heard the physicality and we want to be,
you know, dominant this, and we want to be a
dominant that. What does that look like? Are there some
pictures out there in the playoff land that we can
kind of go yeah like that. We'll discuss that when
we come back. Hang with the boys.
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names that we could have used for the Cowboys. Defensively
this year, the defenseive coordinated position is still available, still open.
They're casting a wide net whoever they hire, whenever they hire,
however they approach the off season, there needs to be
an identity that is set. We have set at this table,
(37:46):
beautiful table, beautiful time for years six, seven, eight, ten,
fifteen years, and we've talked the same thing over and
over and over. What is the identity? What is the
identity of this team, but more importantly, what is the
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identity of the defense? That has long been the question
for the Cowboys. And as you, if you partake in it,
watch the playoffs, you kind of like the teams that
are in the playoffs, each one of them, especially those
(38:29):
that are now in this divisional round, they have an identity.
They have a very distinct identity, whether it's offensively or defensively,
whether it's going to be you know, flash and flair
or you know, physical or whatever it is, there is
there are identities that are very clear and for us,
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defense is the topic of discussion and So have you
guys seen teams that are in the divisional round or
in the playoffs now that you look at and you go,
that's it, that's it. That's that's what I dream about.
(39:12):
That's what I look for when when when I get
up in the morning, a brush of my teeth, I
want to think that that's our defense. Are there any
teams that either one of.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
You get your tooth brush back working? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm back.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I'm good. I'm good, I just changed up the tooth brush. Well, Kurt,
I avoid that for a very reason. Are there there
a team or teams that you look at and you go.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
I think a lot of these defenses, and you kind
of mentioned before, they're just so much more physical than
what are in discipline too, And I mean Houston, you know, Jacksonville, Seattle,
I mean Denver, I mean a lot of these teams.
They're righting their defense into the the playoffs, which I
think it's what like eight of the top ten defenses
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this year in the playoffs, and like another couple down
in the top fifteen. It's I don't know, they defensive
wins championships. And I'm starting to believe it more and
more here watching some of these teams this year because
it's just I don't know where the Cowboys. The Cowboys
look a lot further away.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, because of that.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah, Denver wins in spite of their quarterback, even though
he has skills. They win in spite of their quarterback.
Seattle and these are the two number one teams. Yeah,
sitting that seated. They win in spite of their quarterback. Seattle.
Their defense is just that good and their running game
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is dominant. This Texas scene, they got to overcome their quarterback.
They I would like to say that Drake May and
Josh Daniels was their biggest worry. But when they stay
on the plane with their biggest worry and that's their quarterback,
how can a kid fall out of favor like that?
This kid two years ago was unstoppable. I don't know
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what has I know it's how the league gets caught
up with him, and for some reason he has not
made that mental jump.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
But every team has.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
A superpower, and then they have something that they can
fall back on. And Denver, Seattle and the Texans and
the Patriots have this superpower of defense and they fall
back onto their running games when things get kind of
shaking with their quarterback. They say, Okay, hold on, man,
let's run this thing a little bit. Get you back and.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
See that's what we're missing.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
We can run the ball, but it's not what we
can fall back on. What we fall back on is
dad and that's just too much.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And you mentioned that I did a segment on my
other show about the Houston Texans.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Which one of the third one or the fourth one
you got first.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
The first one that keep the mortgage paid people over there.
But I did a thing this morning on the Houston Texans,
and that's the defense that I point to. And what
I said about that defense was what we have to
get back to. And and up front, you got a
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good starting's point because you have Osa, you have Clark,
you have Quinn and Quinn being the best of those.
So that gives you that what we don't have defensively,
And I faced it in my time from an offensive
player playing against the defense. Nates face it. I mean,
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he talks about it and players, we don't have anyone
that people fear. There's no there's no when people want. Clearly,
it's evident when people play the Cowboys offensively, there's no fear.
They line up and they go where do I want
to go with the football, And when you look at Houston,
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you think about, okay, well that's that Will Anderson Jr.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
You get off the bus the night before. Offensive linemen
are not sleeping well because of a guy like Will
Anderson Jr. And then not to be made like he's
second fiddle. But he doesn't have the superstar kind of
thing put on him. But Danil Hunter who d'anil Hunter
(43:34):
will probably end his career and will have super Bowl
worthy numbers. He has over one hundred and twenty five sacks.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
He will have Hall of Fame numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
He is over one hundred and twenty five sacks in
his career. And then you go back, all right, second level,
they have a guy like Aziz alsha Here. I don't
know why he still wears that arm brace. He's been
wearing it since he's been with the Tennessee Titans. In
that round with his elbow, he's just I think it's
like I think it's like the mask that Ras Hamilton. Yeah,
(44:06):
it's just part of his uniform now. But he is
the aggressor, right like he he he alsha Here will
go to the line and a crazyly cross it and
his coach goes first one is on me, but you go,
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you play, you play your play, you know what I mean.
And then on the back end, of course they have
Derrek Stanley Jr. Who is you know, one of the
best cornerbacks in the league. But they have a safety
and uh Alastater they got they got another corner in
Jalen Petrie. Right, so they like and they all are dogs.
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I mean dogs.
Speaker 7 (44:56):
You you turned the ball over inside twenty, then your
quarterback turned the ball over on this on on their forty,
and you only get three points in a playoff, you
only get three points. And I'm talking to some dude,
you know, I'm not gonna call his name, because I
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had to talk down to him and bad to him
because he didn't realize what great defense was.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Now, I don't think you didn't go up to New
England and had the same thing happen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But rud, But that defense, even when you make a
mess up on offense, that gives you a chance. And
so I just I close my eyes sometimes and I
ain't close I do I did. I'm like, man, what
was something like that? Maybe not the exact same thing.
But what is something like that was paired up with
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Dak Prescott that.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
Kind of defense.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Oh yeah, I mean you number one seed. You are
truly then a contender for a super And so as
the Cowboys begin their approach, their ascension into this offseason
team building, and I know I Will, Will is a
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football head. I know that they're watching. I know that
they're not watching us, but they're watching football.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
You got it. You can't.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You can't look at stuff like that and go how
do we get there? How do we get quickly?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Can you get there free agency?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
How bad do you want to get it? How bad
do you want to get it? That asked the question,
because you.
Speaker 7 (46:33):
Can get there, but you got to be willing.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Can you do it in Deck's window?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
Yes, you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Sure, I mean you got two first round picks this year,
You got two first round picks next year.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Depending on how aggressive you want to get. Are we
willing to give up one of those next year draft
picks to get something in this this season? You know,
strike strike the draft will be good. Got to strike
a free agency That's the only way you get there.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
That's the only way.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
That's the only way you get there free agency because
they brought in about four or five starters they drafted.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Well, yeah, but they did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
They drafted. Well, you know, you're bringing the will Anderson.
But they said, yeah, Will Anderson is good, we won't
get a dog to run with him. Let's go get
the Neil Hunter. We'll bring him in here.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
We're gonna get clown.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
All right, yeah, all right, man, Shaddy will be back
from Mexico. I think next week, maybe next week. If
they don't, they may you know, they may keep them. Yeah,
and they may keep the may he may never leave
and they we can't come get them because uh, you know,
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our president only runs Venezuela.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
You know, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
By the way, free agency.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
The tampering period starts March ninth to the eleventh and eleven.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
We should we should be tampered, Yes, we should.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
For Chris Beaming and back off sall Pepper Poppy until
next week.
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This segment has brought to you. Oh no, we can't
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breaking news that happened, not breaking breaking, but kind of breaking.
It already happened late last night early into this morning.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Shots.
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It's gonna come on the air. But while we all
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waking up this morning, I don't take medicine. You won't
take no medicine. The New York Football Giants have hired
their head coach. The New York Football Then they didn't know.
They didn't go ebra flues.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They didn't go They didn't go in house either. They
didn't pick somebody that was down the hall. I was
just waiting around.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
They went and got themselves a very well established coach,
someone who has who who is a known of building
culture and uh, pretty good at building good, good teams.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They went and hired John John Harball. John Gym's in
Jim's in Hi. Yeah, so the Cowboys, excuse me, the
Cowboys will now have to face the gym. The John
Harball led New York Football Giants twice a year. Is
that is that move the needle any for you? For
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you guys about now the New York Football Giants, which
what we used to count. We come in here, do
the schedule. We usually say Giants twice a year. We're good.
Dak owns them, we're good. Count them as two wins.
That's already on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Unless it's the last game of the year.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, it was the last game the year. You know,
the game that we said that we wanted to win.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Work.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But normally we say the Giants two wins a year.
We can argue back and forth about Philadelia, about Washington,
and we usually split against Philadelphia. Does the hiring of
John Harball change the outlook on how you see you
New York Football Giants?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Now?
Speaker 6 (03:33):
I think he will be an improvement. But do they
have the players yet to really make a big difference.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
They have a quarterback, right, they have a quarterbacks Jackson.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
They're ending in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Malik Davis if he comes back from this a cl
injury to be what he was, that's a good receiver.
I mean, I don't put scatter Boo in that conversation,
but uh, defensively, you got a dual carter. You'll have uh,
Ryan Burns and sexy. Right, so you got a good
situation up front. Does it change for you?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Kurt?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
I think there it's a step in the right direction
for them.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay for sure?
Speaker 7 (04:09):
All right, yeah, Nate, this is every coach's dream to
have a dominant entity within where you going to a
new team and you have something that's dominant, dominant and
an up and coming quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Are proven quarterback? Coach?
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Hardball like, okay, where do we sign? This is how
much I need? Give me total control. And I worked
this here. When I heard this this morning, I'm still
saying to myself, did they set this up?
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Is this something they did under the table?
Speaker 7 (04:50):
The Ravens said, hey, man, we're finna Let this cat
go call New York to Merylor said, look at him, man,
y'all want to come back to prominence.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
We're finna Let some come on. Fellas. They automatically go
to the top. They go to the top of the
NFC East.
Speaker 7 (05:08):
Just yes, top of the NFC East. Because he's gonna
get the most out of his players. That's a that's
a hard ball trade. Is we come in and they
say you don't want to be here? Okay, what we
can give him. You don't want to be here. This
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is how we're gonna do it. We're gonna play sound
just from football. We're gonna run. We're gonna have a
defense that's already dominated. They just needed a direction. They
defenses need a director. Now we got a young quarterback.
We're gonna tell him, hey, bro, every time you run,
you may you may be on this bench.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
We're gonna teach you how to throw the ball more.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Now he knows how to throw the ball, but that
is a priority when we ask you to throw it,
not take off and run and kill yourself.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
That's what we got. The other dude, we're gonna come
off our my scatterbow guy.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
So he's gonna stop to run. He's gonna run the ball.
He's gonna have a discipline team. They automatically go to
the top of the NFC East for.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Who they are.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Do this for me, guys. Let's let's do this. If
we had to rank the coaches in the NFC East,
what is your ranking from one to four? So your
coaches would be the head coach of the New York Giants.
John Harball, the head coach of Dallas Cowboys, barn Shotenhaimer,
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the head coach of the Washington Commanders, Dan Quinn, and
then the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles Nicks put.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That pressure on. You don't even rank the Cowboy coach
the other three.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
The other three.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Hardball, the guy in Philadelphia and the guy in.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Washington probably hardball one.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
And then.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
I mean, son, he's had them playoffs, super Bowl.
Speaker 7 (06:58):
It's staying. Then changed just like that. This ain't done changed,
just like that. Br it doesn't change. It's oh, you
got to say it's one thing to Quinn. All you
gotta do is say one thing to Quinn and you lose.
Run run Do I need to finish the city? Run
one hundred and fifty yards? Automatic loss?
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Bron Come on now, coach.
Speaker 7 (07:24):
The coach in Philadelphia sitting up right now with the
GM saying, hey man, we can't. It's all right to
have a Charles Haley on your team, but two and
three Charles Haley's you cannot have on your team. And
that's what the Eagles are starting to be. They they
starting to.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
Just fall apart, saying, oh yeah, the quarterback don't want
to take chances. You can see that this last game.
He won't run. He won't You know, you got to
be wide open for him to throw you the ball.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
This the Jayalen hurts that we saw with the Saquon
Ugly two thousand that one is got this year. And
what you said, Jess, I don't know if it was
the plays. His abilities are being scared, you know, to
fall out to play.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Come on now, and we need too much. We need
too much as a team to rank us. Excuse me
to rank us up there. We need too much as
a team.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
And I as much as I love d q Q,
they gonna come back and say big news, stab in
the back. But no, brother, no if if all I
gotta do is come out and run the ball in
game over, that's too simple.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
So that they won four games this year, do you
think having hardball would have made a Oh.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
They'll have three more games, So they'll won three more games.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Oh yeah, just because just because his defense would have
been tighter. His defense would have been tighter, and they
would have catered to that. See, when you have a
dominant enter team on your team, are that one third
that's dominant you.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Can cater to that.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
There's too many things you can do to cater to
that you know, and and and so.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
That just slanging the ball all around with.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
No with no, with no regards for your defense.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
That that wouldn't that wouldn't happen with him. Uh. Now
they can shock me. They can. They can go there
and say.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Well, we're gonna do this totally different than what where
we normally do it with the hobballs. But have you
ever known a hardball to college our pros to go
in and not improve his team.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You've got a great point.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
We we we talk about culture.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
They they hadn't done nothing with the Chargers, and all
of a sudden two years in a row, then they
made the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
The last year too. They didn't make it. Uh didn't.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Yeah, they barely missed, but they may And they made
it with a quarterback that was I mean he was
toe up half of the year.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
And they still made the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (10:10):
I'm just saying, the hardball, man, if you let them
take over the rains, they come and get it.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So now that gym, now that John Harball is the
head coach of the giants for the Cowboys, when it
when it because normally, from how I look at it,
you usually build your team to first win a division, right,
that's right. I built my team to dominate this division,
and then I take that win a division, and then
I go and fight out whether I fit you know,
where I fit at and the rest of the conference
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and then across the league. So you you normally draft
and and set your team up looking at your opponents
across the landscape and saying, Okay, I know I got
Eagles twice a year, Philly twice, Philly twice a year,
New York and then Washington also twice a year. So
my team has to beat be able to beat what
they do well, or be able to expose what they
don't do well. Now that Harball is now within the division,
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does that alter the drafting needs or I should say needs,
and these are the needs, but the because you have
to face the Harball team right now, you're looking at
that and you're saying, all right, well, do you go
back and you look at what he had in Baltimore
and say, well, this is probably what he's gonna bring
(11:26):
to New York and now we have to also combat
for that, or do you just kind of still kind
of go, well, the Eagles have been the people in
this division for the last couple of years that we've
had to contend with. We'll continue to focus on how
to beat, how to build our team to beat and
dominate the reigning NFC East champion.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think you talk about him, he'll
improve the defense of the Giants. Well, they've been facing
a pretty tough defense in Washington. You know that for
at least their front line, and in Philly, their front
line is one of the best arounds. So I don't
I don't think you can make huge chain just to
what to your approach, to the approach, but you know,
(12:04):
there's so many holes to feel that they could go
several different directions with this.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Slipping the one oh oh, but I would you know,
to a degree, maybe, But I think the cowboys kind
of have to take care of their own business, don't they.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yes, sir, I agree one hundred percent. Don't nothing change.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Don't you start with free you start with free agency.
I mean, when they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine,
and they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine, we should
be snatching us two safeties in a linebacker.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
When they say eleven fifty nine fifty nine, we should
be able to say, hey.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Man, you agree with me, Now I'm with you.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yet it's landing.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, they're an aggressive approaches. So I do I do
think this brings a sense of now that it's not
a sense of urgency here, I do think that there
is a sense of urgency, and we'll talk in the
next segment about the coaching search. I do think that
there was already a sense of urgency because remember we
(13:15):
laughed and joked about this, and y'all called me crazy
and said, Jesse, you messy. When I said, I said, man,
this whole Brian Shotenheimer hiring thing. I said, this don't
go well, this could be sixteen months, and he up
out of here. Well, it didn't go well in that
first year. And now it didn't go well in that
first year, and you've already fired a defensive coordinator. And
(13:37):
we all know that the firing the hiring of defensive
coordinator was a lot to do with the owner. That's
who he wanted. The general manager, owned president was who
he wanted. And so now that he said, okay, all right,
I pulled my hands off of off of the stove.
You picked the next guy. So if this thing doesn't
(13:59):
go right next year, I'm coming for you.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You can't put this one on me because that ain't
my DC. I'm picking. So we don't get this thing
right next year, we don't make the playoffs next year,
that's a that's a shot. So I do think that
there will be a sense of urgency that's already there.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
You don't think, man, we've seen it now that it
takes a while for these defenses of new schemes to
adjust and all that. You don't think they'll give him Okay,
maybe a couple of years at least to try to
figure this out.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
No, no, no, no, no, Jesse, I want to say
this as nice as I can.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
That the statement you just made, We've had.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
That statement twice, mister Nolan, Right is I've got that right.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
They couldn't get it. Now.
Speaker 7 (14:48):
We said with Eva Flus they couldn't get it. They
got it with Quinn they kind of semi last four
or five games with them, they kind of got it.
This this, this is not this is not just a
coaches thing. And I think the way they gonna draft
and then what they're gonna do in free agency is
gonna prove that. Right this you need to be looking
(15:13):
you know a little bit deeper. So you know, I
don't know, man, you gotta look a little deeper playure, So.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
We take our first break. When we come back from
our first break, we'll talk about the wide net that
the Cowboys have cast on their defensive coordinator search. And
then also, as we're looking across this playoff landscape, are
there some teams out there that are doing some things,
especially defensively? That's you kind of looking go Should the
Cowboys be a little bit more like that? Should they
do a little bit more of copycat like those guys
(15:42):
with the cathal physicality and all those things. We'll talk
about that when we come back from this break. This
is hang with the boys. We'll be right back.
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As the Cowboys are still searching for their defensive coordinator,
they've added three more names to the list of candidates
that they were looking to interview. Charlie Bullen, you have
DeMarcus Covington. You have Christian Parker. Christian Parker is the
(18:39):
past game coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles. And let me
see here, DeMarcus Covington is the run game coordinator for
and defensive line coach for the Green Bay Packers. He
might know a guy green Bay on a def it's
a line that we probably could use here. And then
the Giants interim defensive coordinator was Charlie Bullen, who a
(19:01):
lot of people are saying that the Giants really liked
like he stepped in last year in that interim row
and they don't know if Harball is going to keep him,
but the Giants like him, so that may be something
when you look back on it, that he may stay
in New York. But you add those three names that
(19:24):
the Cowboys have are bringing in, with the addition to
Aaron White Cotton, who's in hot here, former Arizona Cardinals
head coach Jonathan Gannon of course, Jim Leonard, Derant Jones,
and e from Bonda. Those have been the names of
the Cowboys have talked to already.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You like where they're heading with this.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Here's what I do like. No, no, no, hold on date,
hold on, hold on. Here's what I do like. Here's
what I do like. One, the names that you're hearing
aren't normal names that you hear about every day. So
that that leads me to believe that this isn't a
Jerry move, because I don't care what anybody says to me.
(20:10):
If Durrant Jones was on a tour walking through this
hall was walking through this hallway and Jerry's walking the
opposite way, Jerry couldn't point out who Durant Jones was.
So this ain't a Jerry Jones pick. This is Jerry
now allowing Matt excuse me, well, not Matt, allowing Brian
(20:30):
Schottenheimer to come into this place and say, all right,
these are the guys that I want to talk to.
The second thing about that is which I do appreciate,
is that it is a wide net. And I know
that we want the names like Vance Joseph and Brian
Floores and those type of names, and Rahie morris Is
and jeff ol Bricks the names that we know, but
(20:52):
these are what we call the disciples of those guys
or next to those guys. You know, remember a couple
of years ago, if you touch to him of the
garment of of Sean McVay, they wanted you right if
Sean McVay sneezed and you gave him a tissue, they
were like, oh, we want you to be out of
(21:13):
the office coordinator, right. And so while these aren't the
names that we know, is this is a kind of
a youth movement. A lot of these guys. The youngest
those guy in this group is forty seven years old.
And the conversations are being had behind the scenes, and
you're getting information while you're having these interviews. I'm able
(21:36):
to not I but Brian Schotttheimer is able to talk
to some of these younger hipper kind of new age,
defensive mind, energetic. So he's getting information that I think
can help him in the process of Okay, this is
(21:57):
with the angle that we should be going. The language
should sound different than what he heard with ebra Flus
and what he heard with Zim and those names. So
those two that's the two parts about it that I
go okay, Yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I like the fact that we don't know any of
these guys and never heard their names. I mean, look
at their they've Matt Eberflue's former head coach, Mike Zimmer,
former head coach Dan Quinn Mike Nolan, Rod Marinelli. Even
going back to Monti Keviny wasn't much of a head coach,
but a long time if it's a coordinator. I like
this new wave. I mean, I think they need that
(22:39):
and it's refreshing. Even and even with the guys you know,
Flores and Raheem and all those other guys, they want
to be head coaches. They're on the doorstep of being
head coaches. Are you going to go one and done again?
I mean, I love it that they're they're going for
these young guys with hopefully new fresh approaches that could
be here a few years.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I like that. I like that. Like that.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
What's your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
My thoughts is hire one of them and let's go
to work.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
Okay, I'm for real, bro, I'm not gonna have nothing
against what you've put there.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Real sweet and he's sweet just as sweet. Man. I'm
with that. Hire one of them and let's go to work.
It's we The day they signed Howard boy was we
are day late.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
And every day that he's in that house in New York,
we are day late. How are somebody. Let's go to work.
Let's get us identity.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, Now the One thing I will say about these
hirings is because we we we listen to the press
conference and Jerry and Steven and and Shoddy they all
talked about we want a communicator, right, we we we
want a communicator. We want someone that's able to be
(23:53):
a teacher and and what we're what we're doing and
the only question that I have or not question or
but statement. And I think communication is necessary. Right we
all agree that's unnecessary.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Problem this year?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Right, I think teaching is. But I'm big on development.
M Can the guys that you're talking about have they
have they been around long enough? Do they have enough
skins on the wall? Does the Jim Leonards? Does the Gannons?
Does the the dere Jones? Does the u Zach Zach
(24:36):
or excuse me, I forgot Zach orr Uh is in
the compason those guys as well? Does these do these
guys have a history of development?
Speaker 10 (24:45):
Because that's gonna be key. We we we we watch
these other teams in this league perform and some have
some of the star studied players on there, some do not,
Some have them, then lose them and don't miss a beat.
We've been so top heavy for so long. Are you
(25:06):
going to be able to come in here and find
and developed another linebacker. Yeah, go out and get one
in free agency, Sure, go and draft one, but let's
go get some depth pieces. Can you turn Marris lea
File into a player?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Can you turn Shamar James into a player? Can you
turn you know said backup defensive lineman into a good
rotational piece. Can you take this safety and make him
develop him into a good rotational piece. We don't need
stars at every position. I think that's unrealistic. But the
(25:44):
development has been down, I would say in the in
the in the last couple of years.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Last six years with the.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Cowboys, especially defensively, right, like, that part has taken a
major hit. So if you lose an overshown to an injury,
can the next guy come in and I'm not saying
be a superstar, but do the job? And that has
been that has been an issue that the guys that
(26:13):
have to come in, hell, the starters have been able
to do the job, and then the guys behind that
hasn't been able to do the job. But that hasn't
been a level of development. So that is one of
the things that I will be looking for whenever they
make it higher. Whoever the higher is is said defensive coordinator,
a developer.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Of talents as players. When you see who's maybe coming
in or are you hoping for a guy who's the
krusty veteran who's been around the league and knows saw
the ins and outs, or the fact that a younger
guy who's maybe taken that first step up and maybe
comes with new ideas what as the players would intrigue
(26:53):
you more?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I guess for me, I know the question you ask,
But for me, I want to coach that's gonna give
me a legit chance. You know, if I'm learning this
and I'm doing what you ask me to do it,
I'm and I'm in the right place. Are you gonna
Are you gonna give me that opportunity? Are due to
financial reasons? Are who you like?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
The politics?
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah? The politician is gonna keep me. You know.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
But if you every one of these dudes gonna be
whoever you hire and that coach stand up and say hey,
you got to earn the right to play, they gonna
believe you until that first couple of weeks after it
gets drunk up good and they ain't getting no res Okay,
same old thing, so that that that that's the guy
you need.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
That's the guy.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
And that's that's my big issue is whoever you hire,
get him in here so he can look at these
players and now you can start making some the right observations.
You can start breaking these guys down to who they are.
And we say, uh, do he developed? But do these
can a player learn? I mean, some guys don't want
(27:58):
to change, you know, do you want to change?
Speaker 5 (28:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And those are guys that should be gone right right,
those are the guys who who at the end of
the day, when you go hey, Because any time that
there is a this is in life, this is in business,
this in sports. Whenever there is a when someone comes
in and buys a company, right, they initially come in
(28:24):
and they fire a lot of people because it becomes
so difficult to put your stamp on something with people
who've been here for a while, because they're setting their ways,
they kind of like they figure some things out about
the NFL life and now they're like, man, this is
and what I do? What you mean, what you mean
(28:44):
you want to meet what not? We ain't do that.
I ain't even the last three years. What you mean
you want what you mean you required me to do
what the tests? I ain't doing no tests? Well you
know what I'm saying before the game, I ain't doing
no Well, you require that, and so sometimes you gotta
you gotta, you gotta shed some of that some of
that weight in order to bring in that new level
(29:07):
of energy. That's the part. And whoever this coach that
comes in the good thing is is by sheer. Contract Wise,
a lot of these guys are just going just doing
They just there were one year deals, so some of it,
some of it is already gone, you know what I mean,
Like it's it's you don't have to even make a
(29:29):
tough decision on whether or not that person needs to
be here because contractually you aren't here. You just already
you're just no longer a financial priority to this football team.
So that that does open up the window to being
able to come in and go all right, here my
here are my foundational pieces. Here are my staples. I
(29:49):
got over Shown, I got Osa, I got Clark, I
got Quinnin, I got Azaraka.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
So so do you take those guys just just Schottenheimer
and maybe it's Will and in who all do you say, Okay,
this is the type of defense we want to play.
These guys fit into this type of scheme. We're gonna
find a coordinator that can fit into that. Or do
you go, here's let's go get a coordinator and he
can figure it out.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I think it's the ladder. Really, I think it's the ladder.
But I think in that interview you do ask the question, well,
here are fundamental pieces. Tell me how they fit in
your scheme, right, Like, tell me how they fit in
the program that you want to run. Because if it's
(30:34):
if you give me five names and I go, then
I can only really use three of these guys, coach,
you know what I'm saying, Then now you have to
make another decision. Are the two guys that he can't
fit in his system just unfittable or do we have
to look at ourselves and go okay, because I like
what you're saying and I like that approach, then those
(30:56):
other two guys are expendable, right.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I just wondered from a rebuilding standpoint, like if a
guy comes in, if you hire a guy, he's like,
I need three guys and the rest of stink. That's
a lot more players you have to you know, build
around your roster and all.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
That the.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
You know, just to keep it real year for me.
This is just to keep it real year for me.
After about four guys, I mean, coach can't be actually
four guys. It's four guys. Everybody else, Hey, man, get
in line. We were bad last year. We were terrible
(31:37):
as a defense. Whatever the reason it was, we were terrible.
So when you get a new coach and we still
uh and we're talking about more than three guys fellas
Jesse named them earlier, and it ain't grew list.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Just ain't groove a second.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
You know, every coach now nowadays that's a defensive coordinator
better know how to play. It's no such thing as
a four to three coach. No more, there's no such
thing as a three four coach. You better know how
to play this new highbrid system that these offenses putting
out there, whether it's three tight ends, whether it's an
extra offensive lineman, whether it's a naked backfield, you better
(32:20):
have a package on the game plan for this new
NFL is Wow, man, you don't know what you're gonna get.
So now, like I said, a lot of coordinators ain't
gonna be scared to say, hey, man, you just don't
have the players to do what I want to do.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
You know, I'm in.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Here, this is what I like to run. This is
how I run it. And he may not say it
as plain as I'm saying it, but once he start
explaining it to Shaddy or whoever listening, they're gonna be like, yeah,
they told him you better start free agency because we're
gonna do what he talking about.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
This league demands.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
That you have ultra talented ath. You ain't got to
be the most vicious tackler, but you got to be
in the right place and willing to tackle.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
This is all this is league. It's a look at here, man.
The Texans down there, they.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Let's let's hold that Thought's hold that thought. Let's hold
that No no, no, no, no, yeah, that's where we're
going to second three. So what we're gonna do is
take another break, take our second break of the show.
When we come back, we're looking at the Cowboys and saying,
all right, cool, what what does it look like?
Speaker 5 (33:30):
Right?
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Because we've heard the physicality and we want to be,
you know, dominant this, and we want to be a
dominant that. What does that look like? Are there some
pictures out there in the playoff land that we can
kind of go yeah like that. We'll discuss that when
we come back. Hang with the boys.
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Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys on this Thursday
Thursday edition. We're in the offense. You only get us
one day a week, so you better just you better
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They don't.
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When we got rid of seven and eleven, Yeah, yeah,
and some eleven is going.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
What you think of the slurp uh.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
See you know the Cowboys defensively? Yeah, this defense was
bad like and that's being nice. Yeah to say that
they were bad, were being being kind. It's keeping us
out of trouble because they are a host of other
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names that we could have used for the Cowboys. Defensively
this year, the defenseive coordinated position is still available, still open.
They're casting a wide net whoever they hire, whenever they hire,
however they approach the off season, there needs to be
an identity that is set. We have set at this table,
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beautiful table, beautiful time for years six, seven, eight, ten,
fifteen years, and we've talked the same thing over and
over and over. What is the identity? What is the
identity of this team, but more importantly, what is the
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identity of the defense? That has long been the question
for the Cowboys. And as you, if you partake in it,
watch the playoffs, you kind of like the teams that
are in the playoffs, each one of them, especially those
(38:29):
that are now in this divisional round, they have an identity.
They have a very distinct identity, whether it's offensively or defensively,
whether it's going to be you know, flash and flair
or you know, physical or whatever it is, there is
there are identities that are very clear and for us,
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defense is the topic of discussion and So have you
guys seen teams that are in the divisional round or
in the playoffs now that you look at and you go,
that's it, that's it. That's that's what I dream about.
(39:12):
That's what I look for when when when I get
up in the morning, a brush of my teeth, I
want to think that that's our defense. Are there any
teams that either one of.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
You get your tooth brush back working? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm back.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I'm good. I'm good, I just changed up the tooth brush. Well, Kurt,
I avoid that for a very reason. Are there there
a team or teams that you look at and you go.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
I think a lot of these defenses, and you kind
of mentioned before, they're just so much more physical than
what are in discipline too, And I mean Houston, you know, Jacksonville, Seattle,
I mean Denver, I mean a lot of these teams.
They're righting their defense into the the playoffs, which I
think it's what like eight of the top ten defenses
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this year in the playoffs, and like another couple down
in the top fifteen. It's I don't know, they defensive
wins championships. And I'm starting to believe it more and
more here watching some of these teams this year because
it's just I don't know where the Cowboys. The Cowboys
look a lot further away.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, because of that.
Speaker 7 (40:23):
Yeah, Denver wins in spite of their quarterback, even though
he has skills. They win in spite of their quarterback.
Seattle and these are the two number one teams. Yeah,
sitting that seated. They win in spite of their quarterback. Seattle.
Their defense is just that good and their running game
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is dominant. This Texas scene, they got to overcome their quarterback.
They I would like to say that Drake May and
Josh Daniels was their biggest worry. But when they stay
on the plane with their biggest worry and that's their quarterback,
how can a kid fall out of favor like that?
This kid two years ago was unstoppable. I don't know
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what has I know it's how the league gets caught
up with him, and for some reason he has not
made that mental jump.
Speaker 5 (41:15):
But every team has.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
A superpower, and then they have something that they can
fall back on. And Denver, Seattle and the Texans and
the Patriots have this superpower of defense and they fall
back onto their running games when things get kind of
shaking with their quarterback. They say, Okay, hold on, man,
let's run this thing a little bit. Get you back and.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
See that's what we're missing.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
We can run the ball, but it's not what we
can fall back on. What we fall back on is
dad and that's just too much.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
And you mentioned that I did a segment on my
other show about the Houston Texans.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Which one of the third one or the fourth one
you got first.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
The first one that keep the mortgage paid people over there.
But I did a thing this morning on the Houston Texans,
and that's the defense that I point to. And what
I said about that defense was what we have to
get back to. And and up front, you got a
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good starting's point because you have Osa, you have Clark,
you have Quinn and Quinn being the best of those.
So that gives you that what we don't have defensively,
And I faced it in my time from an offensive
player playing against the defense. Nates face it. I mean,
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he talks about it and players, we don't have anyone
that people fear. There's no there's no when people want. Clearly,
it's evident when people play the Cowboys offensively, there's no fear.
They line up and they go where do I want
to go with the football, And when you look at Houston,
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you think about, okay, well that's that Will Anderson Jr.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
You get off the bus the night before. Offensive linemen
are not sleeping well because of a guy like Will
Anderson Jr. And then not to be made like he's
second fiddle. But he doesn't have the superstar kind of
thing put on him. But Danil Hunter who d'anil Hunter
(43:34):
will probably end his career and will have super Bowl
worthy numbers. He has over one hundred and twenty five sacks.
Speaker 5 (43:40):
He will have Hall of Fame numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
He is over one hundred and twenty five sacks in
his career. And then you go back, all right, second level,
they have a guy like Aziz alsha Here. I don't
know why he still wears that arm brace. He's been
wearing it since he's been with the Tennessee Titans. In
that round with his elbow, he's just I think it's
like I think it's like the mask that Ras Hamilton. Yeah,
(44:06):
it's just part of his uniform now. But he is
the aggressor, right like he he he alsha Here will
go to the line and a crazyly cross it and
his coach goes first one is on me, but you go,
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you play, you play your play, you know what I mean.
And then on the back end, of course they have
Derrek Stanley Jr. Who is you know, one of the
best cornerbacks in the league. But they have a safety
and uh Alastater they got they got another corner in
Jalen Petrie. Right, so they like and they all are dogs.
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I mean dogs.
Speaker 7 (44:56):
You you turned the ball over inside twenty, then your
quarterback turned the ball over on this on on their forty,
and you only get three points in a playoff, you
only get three points. And I'm talking to some dude,
you know, I'm not gonna call his name, because I
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had to talk down to him and bad to him
because he didn't realize what great defense was.
Speaker 5 (45:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:23):
Now, I don't think you didn't go up to New
England and had the same thing happen.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
But rud, But that defense, even when you make a
mess up on offense, that gives you a chance. And
so I just I close my eyes sometimes and I
ain't close I do I did. I'm like, man, what
was something like that? Maybe not the exact same thing.
But what is something like that was paired up with
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Dak Prescott that.
Speaker 6 (45:51):
Kind of defense.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Oh yeah, I mean you number one seed. You are
truly then a contender for a super And so as
the Cowboys begin their approach, their ascension into this offseason
team building, and I know I Will, Will is a
(46:14):
football head. I know that they're watching. I know that
they're not watching us, but they're watching football.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
You got it. You can't.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
You can't look at stuff like that and go how
do we get there? How do we get quickly?
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Can you get there free agency?
Speaker 1 (46:29):
How bad do you want to get it? How bad
do you want to get it? That asked the question,
because you.
Speaker 7 (46:33):
Can get there, but you got to be willing.
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Can you do it in Deck's window?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (46:41):
Yes, you can't.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Sure, I mean you got two first round picks this year,
You got two first round picks next year.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Depending on how aggressive you want to get. Are we
willing to give up one of those next year draft
picks to get something in this this season? You know,
strike strike the draft will be good. Got to strike
a free agency That's the only way you get there.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
That's the only way.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
That's the only way you get there free agency because
they brought in about four or five starters they drafted.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Well, yeah, but they did the same thing.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
They drafted. Well, you know, you're bringing the will Anderson.
But they said, yeah, Will Anderson is good, we won't
get a dog to run with him. Let's go get
the Neil Hunter. We'll bring him in here.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
We're gonna get clown.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
All right, yeah, all right, man, Shaddy will be back
from Mexico. I think next week, maybe next week. If
they don't, they may you know, they may keep them. Yeah,
and they may keep the may he may never leave
and they we can't come get them because uh, you know,
(47:56):
our president only runs Venezuela.
Speaker 7 (47:58):
You know, don't do that.
Speaker 5 (48:03):
By the way, free agency.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
The tampering period starts March ninth to the eleventh and eleven.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
We should we should be tampered, Yes, we should.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
For Chris Beaming and back off sall Pepper Poppy until
next week.
Speaker 11 (48:18):
We are.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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