March 12, 2026 • 49 mins
Was it a surprise Osa Odighizuwa got traded? What was the reasoning? Does that and the Cowboys’ other moves change their draft strategy? And after this first wave of free agency is the defense better?
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Chris obviously didn't think we were having a full crew today.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes, the captain next week next week, I got you, Steven,
what a week we can switch up the show one time,
put someone else in the captain seat.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
We could, No, we don't want to do that. We
don't Nate being in captain seat one week.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They have most fun and we would talk about all
the stuff we both talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Let's do it next week. We'll be in the principal's office.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
What a week. What a week? What a week?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I can't wait to get your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
What are gonna sy Oh, coach Flues text me?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He did?
Speaker 7 (03:04):
Yeah, he said, Man, you see that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I wonder prompt.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I just thought he did not text me. That was
a lot. That was a straight line.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh what do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Overall? Before we get into the details of what they'd
done the last I guess what twenty four hours like it?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Don't like it?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
A little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A little bit of both for me?
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, well, explain, explain, go a little deeper.
Speaker 9 (03:34):
Well, I mean I liked, you know, I thought the
Rushan Gary was a good pick up, and Thomas the Thompson.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Thompson John Thompson some of it.
Speaker 9 (03:44):
But that you know, I'm not sure we busted the
budget on this or brought any big studs. And you know,
there's there's you know, I realized you're getting rid of
some people for cap reasons and such, but you're creating
more holes. It seems like were.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
There any big studs out there besides one that failed?
A physical that really was could have broke the bank.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Well, I mean, there's been other guys that got paid
pretty good. It might have helped a little.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But just a question.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean Hendrickson, I guess, are we allowed to say
his name since he was the guy that failed the physical?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Are we allowed to say his name because we haven't
been allowed to say his name for a month?
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Cross? Yeah, he's a free agent. It's free agent period.
Speaker 10 (04:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You can talk about his situation all right, but he
I mean we were in on it right, right right,
which is kind of a wild You can talk facts.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
My big question for you guys is the Osa thing
and Jesse you said it without saying it.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Last week you said it without saying it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We looked at the list, yeah, and my question is
is that.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
A good move for.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You?
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Got rid of the money?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Would Kenny Clark have been a better I guess dump
with no dead cap space? If you're gonna because Osa
was your your second best player on defense, right, and
for defense.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's he wasn't he was overpaid.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
He was overpaid.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
You're going to start You'll.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Let you pull me off side?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Is not your second best player on defense last year
on this team finished finish. I'm asking, I'm just asking.
It was the top five guy, top probably top three
if you're eleven guys, okay, top seven. You didn't get
better by letting him go, I guess, is my question.
(05:46):
It wasn't more of a let's dump the salary where
we can and get a second day draft pick, and
we have an opportunity to pick something up and get
rid of cap space. But you didn't get better as
a team by getting rid of him, I guess. Would
be my question, Not saying I don't like the move,
I'm just want to know y'all's opinion about it.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Laughing man First.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
God, Jesse, he's just dad staring at justice. No.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, My my opinion is this, And I've always said
to everybody in here, this is not a guy that
I felt that could play more than it was pushing it.
If you had him out there more than forty snaps.
His his motor ran high, but it ran hot, and
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I always thought that the cutoff of him was at forty.
But what the Cowboys did, in which the Cowboys always do,
they overvalued this kid when they signed him for the
average that they signify. I said, that's too much. Everybody
went against me. That's fine, we know and everybody didn't.
We're on the same page. Yeah, yeah, twenty something million.
(06:58):
So now so now when when the new coach say yeah,
he can be a part of the rotation, they're like, well,
but but we paid no, he can be a part
of the rotation. So now he may not see even
forty snaps.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Because the money is high for what you're asking him
to do. Now, so they they it was a business city.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Isn't that encouraging in and of itself though, because usually
when we pay guys around here, we're like, oh, no,
we paid him, he's starting, he's playing.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Is this kind of a he would have played? Right?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But as a rotation.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Guy, we don't do that around here. We don't pay
guys and let them rotate. We pay them and they start,
whether they should be starting or not. So and that's
kind of a new way of doing business.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
I did see too that maybe he wasn't the kind
of fit to for Parker. One tweet and take tweet
what you will.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
But you need bigger tackles. You need bigger tackles.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Diggie Zeoa is two eighty, Thomas is two eighty five,
and Parker coming from the Eagles. You look at their
front line, they're all three hundred.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Funny when you talk about guys not being big enough,
he's only two ladies, fellas.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
If you wanted to get better, and and I've been
preaching this, the players had have to change. And I
think games would have kept a four to three as
our base defense. Still a lot of players have to
change this. This This was along with not very good coaching.
(08:36):
This was not a very talented uh this defense wasn't
even average far his talent talent wise. And so I've
said it from day one. I'm saying it now, you know,
and it kind of makes me don't want to say
everything anything because people looking at me like, yeah, you know.
To me, it ain't about being right. It's about giving
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the fans the right product. And last year we just
did not as an organization give the fans the right
defensive product. And now I'm thinking they trying to do that,
They trying to grow that. So that leads me to
say this right here. When OTA started, anybody that's I
(09:20):
don't care practice practice, practice practice, get to know people
don't give bonding enough credit.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Last year, when the Coginals came in here, we wouldn't
have said that they were better than us. But one
thing I knew. Their team was healthy, except for the quarterback.
Everybody was healthy. Everybody knew the system, everybody knew their place,
and that helped them beat us. It's something to be
said when you can play together, especially barring injury unity.
(09:52):
It's something for that knowing what to do, knowing how
to do it. Now you're getting these players, you're releasing players,
you got a new system. If we go to training camp, well,
today was kind of rest day for half the defense,
but it's a.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Padded day, coach, that's going to happen. But that can't.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That had and the change that the Cowboys are trying
to make, that is part of it. That is part
of And I'll go to a smaller unit in basketball.
How those five to six guys, how big is that?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh? It's incredible. I mean, I can, I can.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
We're talking about even just being in March right minus
having that cohesiveness. You want to make a run to
the championship. Yeah, you need some good players, but those
guys need need to be on the same page, you
know what I mean, And that to Nex's points, it's
absolutely it's imperative that you have that.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Well, was it oh so kind of a leader on
that defense? And have you now created captain?
Speaker 10 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (10:48):
Have you created a hole both on the field and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Off Sure, sure you did. But I'll go back.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
I don't know if you guys remember this when we
having a conversation in Indy. Did I call you guys
in Indie? Yeah, I called you Indie.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I missed that call. I missed that call. I missed
that call about Indy.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This this was circulating the talks of Oh I can
say it now.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We spoke to.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Ocean's agent and in Indianapolis and there was some h
I'm not saying that this is OSA specifically, but there
was some conversation about during this three, you know, changing
to this three four, what did that mean for the
guys in this defense? Because OSA was brought in to
run for three defense and so now when you look
(11:34):
at it, you know, and also learned a very valuable
lesson when it comes to business and it comes we
talked about having sponsors, uh, you know, up above the
locker room because OLSA would have had to play a
position that necessarily didn't suit him well, right, that four
our position that he would have had to play didn't
really sit, you know, suiting Well. You heard Christian Parker
already talk about what he felt like for Kenny Clark
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in this defense because he had him in in Green Bay.
And Quinn Williams, his talent just tops everything, right, Quinn
Williams is good enough to where you adjust to him,
he don't adjust to you, right, right, And so that
left Osa the Ivan out. If we can't pay a
twenty million dollars rotational piece, we we can't.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We can't. We can't pay that.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
That's not that's not here, and then you don't fit
in what we are actually doing. And so you know
there was smoke about about that and uh in Nindy
and so then they began to kind of pick up
a little bit as the free agency went through and
teams begin to inquire about Osa. But I think what
the Cowboys did in this trade and then this is
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not like you know, oh Osa's gone. You know, say
things and kick things behind your back, y'all know me.
I know, y'all. I'll say what I want when I
want about who I want and then did whatever the
cod Sports comes later about it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So this is not one of those things.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Well, I'm saying I said this two years ago, a
year ago about Osa. I thought Osa really capitalized off
the being next to a game changer. Yes, when he
was next a name that shall not be named, that
helped him out, but when he had to do it
by hisself, he was never a good enough player that
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you thought could stand on his own and be a
game changer, right, like a Quinning could be right. And
so you don't fit into that mix. And this is
just another sign of Jerry committed to younger at the
defensive coordinated position. But now you have to support it.
It does you no good to bring in Christian Parker
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and then handcuff him by keeping guys that he can't use.
Now you're falling back to the same spot you were
a year ago, because now you're saying, we paid him
twenty million dollars, you gotta play him.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's like, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work for
what I do.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
And now I got a guy that I have to
play who's chilling the chemistry of what we're doing out there.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I'm not happy about it. The guys around him ain't
happy about it.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
He's not happy about playing that position because it doesn't
it's not his strong suit. So I think this was
the people up front, I mean up top, saying what
are you all right? If he doesn't fit, then let's
see if we can't get something for him, Let's see
if we can't, we can't move him. But you know,
so that's that's coupled with them saying we're really all
in on Christian Parker, like we're gonna trust whatever process
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and whatever vision that he has.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And they've done that so far. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
They for sure hadn't bust the budget during free agency,
and they're okay, like they're okay, they're better than what
they were last year overall. But but yeah, no, no, no,
But here's the thing. Better is all relative. Right, you
were thirty second last year, so better means you get
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to twenty nine. And I would say that they're probably
about thirty right now, and mainly because not because of
what you did up front, I personally believe. I like
for Sean Gary, he's a Jersey guys from my neck
of thewards. He's not a game changer, right, He's slightly
better than what you got last year.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Out of the Daveon Clowney.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Where I think you got really better was help getting
some help in the secondary with Locke and Thompson. That
helps you not give up five hundred passing yards to
quarterbacks who shouldn't throw the ball for over one hundred
and fifty yards, right, and God's running Scott Free. And
now you have, you have that that multiple multiplicity and
versatility that Christian Parker was asking for in his secondary.
(15:24):
You brought back Malie Cooker, you now have Jalen Thompson.
You add PJ. Lock to the mix, you know, and
now you and now you try to now you try
to put together, you know, a secondary that helps that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know, they're still open stuff in the draft, but
they got better better? How much better? I don't, I don't.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I don't think if the season started today with this
particular defense, I wouldn't go on this defense and go, yeah,
we're we'll be, we'll be fifteenth fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You ain't got that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Don't don't don't say that, Jesse, you ain't got that
gonna inspire other guys to say this's gonna be a
whatever he say.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
People just hijacking. Jesse said, they're gonna be twelve, They're
gonna be don't don't do that.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
No, they might, they might be thirty, thirty person and
a half.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Right now, come first, come up.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Just by adding a new system, you gotta that gives
you plus three, right Heck, at least you do its work.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We ain't seen the system work here yet. I'm having faith.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it can't work, no work.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
That's a lot of folks that had that hope, him
in that faith. Y'all been riding that hoping hope even
faith for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So yeah, that's why I'm at with that.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Please practice, Alan, I it does mean something. Practice, It
does mean something.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Olsa loved the valuable lesson in business as well, because
Olsa had an offer on the table before he signed,
more money back, with more money to go to another team,
and he took less money hometown discount.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Don't do it here.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
And you know, I don't know how else to tell
people this. You if you play or employed by a
professional team, hell, any team, get any job, they can
make it as much family atmosphere as they want. You're
not in the family, you're not in a will and trust
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you don't.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You don't.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
You don't get dressed up or take pictures at the
Christmas with the Christmas card. You're not on the spring
break vacations. No, you are a piece of the puzzle.
And when business needs to be made, they will make
business despite and the name not that they don't. They
don't like osa And I'm sure there's not a person
that dude, great dude in the community, great dude in
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's business.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
And for the fans, please stop tweeting me about how
other players are talking about like, oh oh that rivalry
stuff is not real. It's not real because guess what.
Guess what is be like, Oh, yeah, he's going to
the Niners. We hate the Nineers. No, no, you hate
the Niners. I'm gonna go where they're gonna pay me.
You know, is gonna be saying week one, You're gonna
be saying bang bang not a gang like everybody else.
(18:00):
There is no such thing about like this whole rivalry thing,
and that he's not going to go there because of no, no,
you go. Green is the only color that matters Jackson Andrew.
That's the only people that matter in the mix. Yeah,
the Bengi's that's the only thing that matters when it
comes down to that rivalry stuff. Yeah, while you're while
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you're on the team, it matters. You say it, you
you play along with it. It's not that's not it's
not real.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
No, there was.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
There was a guy that worked for years in our
UH accounting department and they hired him and he had
a big Raiders tattoo on his forearm. You know who
his favorite team was as soon as he got hired here,
The Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Donovan as a Rocky Well, die hard Philadelphia Eagles fan,
whole family.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
He said it. Now He's like, nah, it's that's it's
about the start. That's it's not real. It's a fan
let thing.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
You guys can have. You can you can have fun
with the y I'm sure, but it's not a paid
in bills. A little tea changes quick and quickness. All right,
let's take a change.
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Let's okay, I guess that's what they could.
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Each and every show by a blockchain dot com. Thank
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secondary guys. What are we getting with those two guys?
If you had any any chance to look at any
film or know them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You get versatility, you.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Get familiarity, and an assistant Ryan Smith, who was over
at Arizona is not here with the Cowboys in the secondary.
So that's what Jalen Thompson comes from. PJ Lock, of course,
was in Denver when Christian Parker was in Denver, So
you get guys who have versatility, right, And I just
take what Christian Parker said and then start matching it
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to the player. He wants guys in the secondary, especially
his safeties and some of his slot guys. He says,
sometimes you're gonna have to play a pure free safety
and then sometimes you're gonna have to play down in
the box, and sometimes you're going to have to play
in the slot. And so he wants guys that have
the versatility to do it. If you go back and
you watch Arizona's defense last year, you know what they
did in the secondary is they wanted to confuse your
in the secondary, So they line up one way and
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then they'll shift to something else. And they were doing
a multitude of things, and so Thompson was in that.
So you bring a guy in because they want to
eliminate what we heard about last year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm confused. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
It's difficult to learn, and so they're bringing in guys
that fit that mold.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Thompson fits that mold.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So I'm trying to get So you're saying versatility, you
mean intelligence, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
To a versatility intelligent.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Okay, okay, because don't don't lead that out you no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No, that that is don't lead versatility intelligence.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
There's a lot of dudes that can jump high and
move side.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
To be multiple.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
But yes, to your point, have the intelligence because this
defense going to be complex. Anytime you hear someone says
that we're going to be multiple, that this is the
code word for complexity, that we're going to try to
disguise things. We're going to try to look one way
at the snap and look a completely different way post.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Now, let me ask this question, do you think people
can miss practice and learn this defense?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, I mean Lawrence Taylor, he was a guy who
missed practice.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Yeah, but he but he could draw up the thing
when the coach.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, he was special.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
He was what you call in the trading card world
one of one.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, right, study question to answer your question.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
No, it wouldn't behoove you to learn a new system
that will be this complex and this multiple to not
be in practice because you know you can see it
on the board in one day, but you got to
get out the in the field actually see it happen.
Because what they do in this you know, cover four
match of this match defense, the vic Fangio defense, cover
forward is match. So it looks it's cover four, right,
(24:19):
So we're talking about quarters covers, right, it's twenty five
twenty five, twenty five to twenty five four quarters make
a dollar, right, That's how the feel is broken up
in the quarters. So it's gonna look like quarters covers
where everybody has a zone at the start. Yes, but
depending upon what you do as an offense. If if
two goes vertical and one doesn't, then now that safety
(24:42):
he takes him man demand, and now it goes from
being covered four to now it's covered three over here,
or cover two match over here, or it could be
cover six meaning being four on one side, two on
this side. So all of these things are happening. What
happens when you get a crosser that comes into your zone, right,
a guy may pass that crosser off and then go
bab play middle of the field. That guy picks up
(25:02):
the cross of coming across the field, and now the
covers went from four to three.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Three robber or three, you know.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
So it's that level of complexity that comes along with this,
and so you want to and Chrise the park talked about,
you know, I want to have you know, my defense
be from the back to forward, beating my secondary safeties
upfront to upfront. So he needs those guys in the
back end to really be on their game, to be intelligent,
(25:30):
to be smart, to be knowledgeable of what we're doing
on the field, and be able to be changing that
at the drop of a dime. I don't think they
had the players to do that last year, but these
guys that have come in, I think initially because they've
done it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
They've done it. PJ has done it.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
PJ Lock has done it in Denver, he was starting
in twenty twenty four, but you know, play starting minutes
in twenty twenty four backup role the rest of the
time course, special teams gout for PJ. Locks, so he
can come in and give you some things. But Thompson
has been a starter, and he's a guy coming from
Arizona that understands that coverage part of what Christian Parker
is doing. And so you know, coach is kind of
(26:06):
giving coach. Coach Parker's kind of giving each one of
his guys, his linebackers not so much yet, but like
his guys up front, Marcus Dixon, you know, Rashaun Gary.
He's been working with Rashan Gary. Uh, not one with
Sean Gary, but their other the trainer BT Jordan. BT
Jordan's been training and working with these guys all year long.
So you feel some kind of way about you know
(26:27):
about that. Marcus, you know, is still in that mix
as well as getting no defensive guys. But Ryan Smith
got guys in the secondary, so they need to show
up that linebacking class. But for the most part, I
think I think showing up that that that secondary's the safety,
the safety in the slot. Really you still have questions
that corner. I think that helps them significantly.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
With the with the moves that they made free agency
so far, I mean, you have what a month left
free agency.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We haven't talked about the greatest move they made a
free agency yet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Which one, Sam Howell?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Come on, come on, come on, Sam, I'm talking about
it was. It was C D and George Pickens was
two number ones. You got, you got, you got one
A and one B at the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
All hell, great, baby, Sam how I was being sarcastic,
but he was being serious.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I was being that serious, Sam Howe. Baby about about
the challenge? What is did dark Prescott for that starting spot?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Okay, tap the brakes on that? But what does that
tell you about the the backup quarterback and what they
think of the Milton project and the you know, Will
Griers the.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Got the best job in the world. He can run.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Who's Sam Howell?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Mills know what y'all been saying from to day one?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He can throw, you don't know where to go?
Speaker 7 (27:45):
You can throw?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
What's that? What's that show? What's that show? Chris bull Duram?
Is that bull Durm?
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Yeah, Bull Durham, Bulldovy.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah. The movie the movie were the guy couldn't hit? Yeah,
what's it called? Loose nukes? A million dollar arm and
a sitting break? What do he he's.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Dek hasn't played back to back full seasons, and in
a minute, Kurt way to Go probably felt like Milton
wasn't ready to Did.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
You just snake bite our quarterback? Yes? He did?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You you can send your tweet.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well, what is it at d C?
Speaker 9 (28:31):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The Samehow I like that as a backup he played
what voice of the star? I like him a lot
better than what you've had in recent years.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, he's the most experienced backups you now have.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, played a full season, right with washing full season?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, he's played. He's played a bunch. He's played a bunch.
He's bounce around, little bit tar real great man.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Jesse sleep sleep on saying how great beerd too? When
he goes his beard.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Out, brother, I ain't sleeping on.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I promise you just anything but what we had, anything
but what we had told us.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Y'all y'all was telling us that ship that Joe.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Man who is y'all?
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Yeah, I won't know who y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Nobody in over there, y'all.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Man, there's some brothers that got mad at me. I said,
what do y'all think about Milton? He can run we
throwed his football. He can throw it like a rock.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You can throw the thing eighty five yards.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I don't know where to who.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
All right, let's take our last break.
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These moves that they've made, does this tell you? Does
it tell you anything about the draft or give you
any insight into what they're going to be targeting?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Obviously cornerbacks are.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Pretty glaring need right. I mean, it's still all the above, right,
best player above defense?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Who's whoever the best guy is? What are some of
the names out there?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the
draft talk. What are some of the defensive guys that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Are right now?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They're talking about the man that's popped up at the
top of the list currently. Now that you've gotten you
traded Osa got rid of them, But you traded Osa
is Kelvin Falk The interior defensive lineman from Auburn because
he can play that four I position. And the comparison
is if we if we can kind of rewind what
was What I'm hearing is like, Okay, when Bill Parcells
(33:20):
was here and he was running the three four defense,
he had Marcus Spears playing that particular type that four
I position. And now trying to find a guy like that,
and you know, people talking about like Kelvin Falk may
fit that mold of being able to be that that
guy who plays that four I on the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
To me, I.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Think, well, it's great to stop the run. I think
that's a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thing to do.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
It should be noteworthy. Uh the run is isn't what
killed you last year. It wasn't you need you need
once except for that Carolina game. Right, Yeah, Rico went loose.
Rico got loose in that game. But you got to
stop the pass. You you gotta you gotta go get
some guys to rush the quarterback. I mean when we
watched game in and game out last year, where uh,
(34:10):
what's my guy from from the Cardinals, Jacoby Brissett, Right,
he was a backup came in. It was just in
the had all day, throw the ball around the park,
Russell Wilson all day, JJ McCarthy all day.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I mean, the list goes on and on and on
and on.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
When quarterbacks came in here and just had a countless
amount of times where they went back to they dropped
back and was do wasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Even sniffing them, wasn't sniffing them.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
And I think that's just where uh. You know, Nate
said that it's a passing league. You got to be
able to get after the quarterback. So hopefully you got
to be able to cover and get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
And then once and once a team becomes one dimensional.
Now you can kind of clamp down on what they do.
But I think for the Cowboys, you got to you
have to find some way somehow, whether it's picked twelve
or pick twenty, however the draft falls to you. You
got to get somebody to get around that corner.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You just can't. You just have to.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
The talent is too great, The arms shrunther is too
too tremendous, uh from quarterbacks and from wide receivers that
if you don't get pressure on that quarterback man who.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
They got right now other than you got Gary, I guess,
and you hope as a Rocker's back full strength.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Else you got yeah, And that's what I'm saying. You don't.
You don't have anybody else. So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I know that they're trying to make marias Leah foul
an outside live backer, and I don't know what that
means as far as rush capabilities, but you gotta find
somebody that's gonna turn that corner and get after the
quarterback you want, you want to be able to come
into the game. And that's why I was so big
on medicals aside. That's why I was so big on
that that player that.
Speaker 14 (35:47):
That didn't get that didn't go to the Ravens, because
I was just like, you know, have these picks, man,
I'm like, let's need I'm like, forget these picks, man,
Go go go get a game changer, Go get go,
get a c riser, get.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Somebody who changes the trajectory of the people around him.
We saw what that looked like. We saw what that
looked like. We didn't have any interior run defense that
we have now. So I'm like, go go go do
When you had it, we were begging you, Nate.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Nate was always for We've been doing this show for
eight years.
Speaker 8 (36:18):
I've been doing sho for eight years with y'all, and
they've been begging for some meat greasy fat boys.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And then you get rid of the one thing. To Chad,
he was like, all right, we finally got the meat greases.
You know what I'm saying. We've finally got that. Now
we don't got no people that could turn a corner.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
So it's like, you, we asked you to get this,
and you get this, and you got rid of the
thing that We're like, no, no, you need that, but
you needed that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
To work with together. You gotta get somebody that could
turn that corner. Man. And when they break the huddle,
where is he at?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
They can't break the huddle and just be like, oh,
let's just settle down AND's get to our stands.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
No, where where is that player at?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (36:53):
There he is, hey, Roger, Roger, Roger, Louis, Louis Louis.
You shifted that whole line one way to one way
or other. But but the name that's come up is
Keldric faulkn And you know they talked about Peter Woods,
who they're working out now another interior defensive lineman. So
that that that's been coming up as of late in
the last twenty four hours due to the the Osa situation.
(37:17):
And my personal opinion is you're not replacing Osa, not
that you can't replace it, but that's not the goal.
It's gonna be a rotational piece you have that he
took it. I think it was his teammate that got Otto.
Was the name o Toto.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Tito.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
They were they were they were college roommate and college
teammates at U C l A.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I believe.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
So that's your other rotational guy when he goes in
to play the nose and you slid one of the
other guys out for whatever you need. You know, you
slide Kenny, you slide so and so out. You you
have other pieces, you know, signing. They already signed tires sweet.
I know they were talking about pending and signing. But
you move those guys around.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
In this in this system, do you for it. Let's
just say they go get an edgeresher with one of
those two first round picks in Parker system. Is he
gonna want a guy that's hand in the dirt pass
rusher or kind of that hybrid like Michael was, where
he can kind of play off the edge, stand up
(38:13):
or down kind of that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You know how he does.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He likes a hybrid safety that can come down, bigger guy.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
You are pure pass rusher, It don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Hand in the ground, are standing on two, are coming
out of all fours.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
It don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
If you a pure get the quarterback type guy, that
don't matter. Coach will make a move for you to
do whatever it takes to get you those type players
what he's talking about, It don't matter. They can stand up,
they can sit down, because the biggest word is not
how you line him up, is when you line him up,
how they're gonna block him. You know, you guarantee two
(38:51):
players on Michael every time when you can do that
right now on Crosby, you guarantee two players every time,
whether they hand in the dirt, whether they and on
up on twos, It don't matter. That guy right there
don't matter. Now if you're gonna say I want it
all around, got that guy ain't down no more where
you can drop back into the flashing, No man, just
(39:13):
going to get somebody that can rush that pass.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
But again, you got to be able to do it
at a certain way because how you line up in
the three four that those defensive ends are gonna play
when you when you hear God talk about that four
iy that is the inside eye of the tackle, right,
So they're not lining.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Up wide you know five or why nine?
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Meaning you see those guys, you know, sometimes you see
them they stand in the slot, you know what I mean,
coming off, So you're gonna have to work from that
interior type space then you would any other time those
tackles on the outside. That's when you hear when you
hear four, I just think the tackle is set up.
They're gonna be on the inside eye of the tackle.
So now you have to work in that space. You
know what I'm saying, you're gonna have in the three four,
(39:54):
You're gonna have that uh the linebacker is gonna be outside.
So that's that's that's the difference of it all, and
and and and it's the part that comes back to
the complexity of it all is excuse me, is he's
you know, he said we're gonna be a three four
defense with four three spacing, So that's you gotta you know,
it'll change up sometimes and you'll have different looks and
(40:16):
guys will have different responsibilities. So but you got you
have to figure out a way to go get the quarterback.
You just get you have to figure.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Out a way.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
And and right now they don't have a guy. I mean,
Rashaun and Gary a good he's a good piece, but
I mean history says he's not getting you double digitus
sacks as a rocal we.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We think can be. But he's having hip surgery.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
We hope that, we hope the injury he recovers well,
but he's gonna miss all of OTA's, all of mini camp, right,
he'll be ready, hopefully by training camp, so he'll be
trying to find his legs throughout the preseason, which means,
you know, you kind of sometimes when you're when you're
getting that conditioning back, you kind of get that conditioning back,
(41:05):
you hit a wall, you recover, and then you're ready
for that second start. So we don't know where he's
gonna be and his progression after a hip a hip surgery,
so you know, you.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
Know you're only gonna be able to find that guy
in the draft now, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Or you can trade some more, I guess.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
So I mean, you just picked up a third round
pick with the Osa trade and maybe you can pack
it something together for another guy.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I don't. I don't give that. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
They said they aren't. You shouldn't. If you know, doctor
doctor Cooper said the medicals. I don't know. He said that.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Let me keep keep this from real brothers. What's the
number one asset to a pass rusher? Be size, pure speed?
Speaker 7 (41:50):
What's the number on his dip hilps, dips and hips.
I'm not looking for nothing. I'm not looking for that.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
From Israk Toll late late in the season, you better
go get somebod legs just talking about you, better go
get somebody. The number one asset to any pass Russia,
Crosby Parsons, anyone of Garrett Garrett brother Look at the hips,
Look at the hips. Come on, man as Rocco take
(42:22):
his time, get back the middle of the season. Go
get somebody on which you got to go get somebody.
Hips are the key, bro.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
If you can't be in.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Your hips, so you can't flex your hips, you can't
move your hips, you can't play football.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Securious city best hips don't lie, don't lie. Hips don't live.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Kurt.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
What else you got?
Speaker 9 (42:44):
I don't know what else we got?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
We got Tom Brady, Yeah, we got two minutes.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Look at the list. All you need that.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
The way we had to switch to you on this
thing back from the chairs, The way he was acting
another day, Kirt, the way we had from the chairs.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Boy, you know, Kurt, don't need it'll take long.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Get one bumped. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
So you don't like right now, right now this defense
better or worse than it was?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Overall?
Speaker 8 (43:18):
This defense right now, overall, I would say today better
it just barely, barely barely but better.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Alright.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
We making progress?
Speaker 8 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, Sam Williams used to
way he was going ninety you know, it's going thirty
miles over and he was going twenty five over.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It's progress. So we asked for Kurt.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I guess does it feel different to y'all this year?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
No, it feels very same to me. It's very very myth.
Speaker 9 (43:45):
I was telling myself it felt different, but now not so.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Shit, it don't. I'm telling you fellas. When we get
the training camp and we come out of training camp
and everybody, well, we don't know when you have about
like twenty five we don't knows.
Speaker 7 (44:02):
Wow, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
All right.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Let me ask you this, because every year you get
you get a feeling at training camp the first week
you're there.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You may not say it on the radio, but you'll
tell us.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
We're in trouble, right right right.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So a weekend, we're gonna check in with you on
the group chat, how you feeling, Nate, and then you
can say this is different.
Speaker 9 (44:28):
Might have to give them until that che scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The reason I could always say that is because I
used to base things off our off offensive line play.
And when the Cowboys have had good offensive lineman, then
I could judge the defensive lineman better. But when you've
had average offensive linemen and the defense running by them
and the average.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
How do you judge that?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So I tell people like, for training camp, this guy
to look good, but we'll know in another four days
called hey, come to Rams, you know, you know? And
and it ain't that I think the Rams are better,
but they practiced faster, they practiced with a more better Yeah.
(45:17):
I have one I have one question. What George Pickens
is out there?
Speaker 7 (45:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
He's a non exclusive franchise player. Have we had any
bikes yet?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
No? Nothing I've heard, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Just just because I try to tell people giving up
thirty five million dollars a year and two first round picks,
everybody ain't built like that. Everybody ain't the rams, y'all.
But and also and this is and it takes time.
This is this is a portion of a part that
you know, it comes back to. I think George is
(45:56):
a great player.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
He may almost made it the whole show.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
George is a great player, right, But George is a
difference man, Like he's not in that conversation of the
elite of the elite, you know what I'm saying, Like
he had a really good year, but you're not putting
it like when you go when I think about someone
who's going to get top top compensation, they got to
(46:22):
be in that top two or three category for me
and at their position. And I'm like, I like George.
I want George back here. But the Cowboys knew that
they want to go to get a two two number ones.
Now it's negotiable, you know. No, No, maybe people look
after this after a while and go, all right, we'll
see what we have here now. But yeah, George is
(46:44):
really really really really really really really good.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
First, he's not top three for somebody to bite on that,
wouldn't You have to have the perfect team and the
perfect situation.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
That just goes. That's the one, dude, we need to
win a championship.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
I don't think I don't think there's a receiver in
the league that's too that's worth that.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah. Maybe maybe Jamar Chase, maybe.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
The guy in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
No No to see more than one year.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Jackson Smith and Jiggwa, not Pooka, Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Maybe him, him or Jamar.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
Yeah, Jamar no No, I love CD Yeah, Jamar maybe Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
And they've done too, and they've done it year after
year after year.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Jam to me would be the only one that was
worth two ones.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
But then I wouldn't have to have a quarterback in play.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Yeah, like two ones, you have to have a quarterback
in tes a lot. Like two ones is like quarterback
defensive end, like the two of the biggest game changers.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Two ones is a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, you're gonna have to if you're going to get
a wide receiving give up that, you have to have
the quarterback in place.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
It literally has to be the missing like, don't need
no one else. These picks don't need them.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, he's not saying you have to have the right
team for the right situation.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
That that gets us there for sure. All right, Fellas
anything else.
Speaker 9 (48:11):
Kirt, No, im just looking at the salary. I mean
pickets could wind up being the third highest pass highest pa.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Oh yeah, I mean sometimes it's not about skills, about
time to day you get paid.
Speaker 7 (48:23):
Unless you Clarence thinking somebody you think it somebody.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Calvin, Calvin. It was another claris It was Calvin that
said it.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Hey, I bet Calvin saying in his mind, well he
ain't signed, has he he ain't signed at the tender
a second row.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well he cussed him out. That's been so great.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
All right, fellas, good stuff, Jesse, good seeing he, Nate,
good seeing you, Kurt, good seeing you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Thanks for keeping us on the air. Keep them cookies
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Speaker 4 (00:58):
He can't even pull the weather.
Speaker 7 (00:59):
Yeah, they look.
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Degrees the weather today in Dallas, fifty.
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Speaker 1 (01:32):
Here also, are we all gonna be here next week? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (01:36):
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I got some money for for wingstop. Uh, let me
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So yeah, so you tell me make sure I get
Nate some extra fries, extra extra, get some extra fry.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
All right, extra fry.
Speaker 8 (02:15):
Next week, next week, Steven, if you're watching next week,
next week, I'm getting the food for the boys. I
didn't think I didn't confiscate the money you sent me
and went down to Harry Hanks.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You've been out, I've been out. We've just been all
over the place out.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Chris obviously didn't think we were having a full crew today.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yes, the captain next week next week, I got you, Steven,
what a week we can switch up the show one time,
put someone else in the captain seat.
Speaker 7 (02:39):
We could, No, we don't want to do that. We
don't Nate being in captain seat one week.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They have most fun and we would talk about all
the stuff we both talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Let's do it next week. We'll be in the principal's office.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
What a week. What a week? What a week?
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I can't wait to get your thoughts.
Speaker 7 (02:59):
What are gonna sy Oh, coach Flues text me?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He did?
Speaker 7 (03:04):
Yeah, he said, Man, you see that.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I wonder prompt.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I just thought he did not text me. That was
a lot. That was a straight line.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh what do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Overall? Before we get into the details of what they'd
done the last I guess what twenty four hours like it?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Don't like it?
Speaker 7 (03:29):
A little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
A little bit of both for me?
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yeah, well, explain, explain, go a little deeper.
Speaker 9 (03:34):
Well, I mean I liked, you know, I thought the
Rushan Gary was a good pick up, and Thomas the Thompson.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Thompson John Thompson some of it.
Speaker 9 (03:44):
But that you know, I'm not sure we busted the
budget on this or brought any big studs. And you know,
there's there's you know, I realized you're getting rid of
some people for cap reasons and such, but you're creating
more holes. It seems like were.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
There any big studs out there besides one that failed?
A physical that really was could have broke the bank.
Speaker 9 (04:05):
Well, I mean, there's been other guys that got paid
pretty good. It might have helped a little.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
But just a question.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean Hendrickson, I guess, are we allowed to say
his name since he was the guy that failed the physical?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Are we allowed to say his name because we haven't
been allowed to say his name for a month?
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Cross? Yeah, he's a free agent. It's free agent period.
Speaker 10 (04:29):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You can talk about his situation all right, but he
I mean we were in on it right, right right,
which is kind of a wild You can talk facts.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
My big question for you guys is the Osa thing
and Jesse you said it without saying it.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Last week you said it without saying it.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
We looked at the list, yeah, and my question is
is that.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
A good move for.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
You?
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Got rid of the money?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Would Kenny Clark have been a better I guess dump
with no dead cap space? If you're gonna because Osa
was your your second best player on defense, right, and
for defense.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's he wasn't he was overpaid.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
He was overpaid.
Speaker 8 (05:17):
You're going to start You'll.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Let you pull me off side?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Is not your second best player on defense last year
on this team finished finish. I'm asking, I'm just asking.
It was the top five guy, top probably top three
if you're eleven guys, okay, top seven. You didn't get
better by letting him go, I guess, is my question.
(05:46):
It wasn't more of a let's dump the salary where
we can and get a second day draft pick, and
we have an opportunity to pick something up and get
rid of cap space. But you didn't get better as
a team by getting rid of him, I guess. Would
be my question, Not saying I don't like the move,
I'm just want to know y'all's opinion about it.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Laughing man First.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
God, Jesse, he's just dad staring at justice. No.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, My my opinion is this, And I've always said
to everybody in here, this is not a guy that
I felt that could play more than it was pushing it.
If you had him out there more than forty snaps.
His his motor ran high, but it ran hot, and
(06:35):
I always thought that the cutoff of him was at forty.
But what the Cowboys did, in which the Cowboys always do,
they overvalued this kid when they signed him for the
average that they signify. I said, that's too much. Everybody
went against me. That's fine, we know and everybody didn't.
We're on the same page. Yeah, yeah, twenty something million.
(06:58):
So now so now when when the new coach say yeah,
he can be a part of the rotation, they're like, well,
but but we paid no, he can be a part
of the rotation. So now he may not see even
forty snaps.
Speaker 7 (07:14):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Because the money is high for what you're asking him
to do. Now, so they they it was a business city.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Isn't that encouraging in and of itself though, because usually
when we pay guys around here, we're like, oh, no,
we paid him, he's starting, he's playing.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Is this kind of a he would have played? Right?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
But as a rotation.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Guy, we don't do that around here. We don't pay
guys and let them rotate. We pay them and they start,
whether they should be starting or not. So and that's
kind of a new way of doing business.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
I did see too that maybe he wasn't the kind
of fit to for Parker. One tweet and take tweet
what you will.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
But you need bigger tackles. You need bigger tackles.
Speaker 9 (07:56):
Diggie Zeoa is two eighty, Thomas is two eighty five,
and Parker coming from the Eagles. You look at their
front line, they're all three hundred.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Funny when you talk about guys not being big enough,
he's only two ladies, fellas.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
If you wanted to get better, and and I've been
preaching this, the players had have to change. And I
think games would have kept a four to three as
our base defense. Still a lot of players have to
change this. This This was along with not very good coaching.
(08:36):
This was not a very talented uh this defense wasn't
even average far his talent talent wise. And so I've
said it from day one. I'm saying it now, you know,
and it kind of makes me don't want to say
everything anything because people looking at me like, yeah, you know.
To me, it ain't about being right. It's about giving
(08:58):
the fans the right product. And last year we just
did not as an organization give the fans the right
defensive product. And now I'm thinking they trying to do that,
They trying to grow that. So that leads me to
say this right here. When OTA started, anybody that's I
(09:20):
don't care practice practice, practice practice, get to know people
don't give bonding enough credit.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
At the time.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Last year, when the Coginals came in here, we wouldn't
have said that they were better than us. But one
thing I knew. Their team was healthy, except for the quarterback.
Everybody was healthy. Everybody knew the system, everybody knew their place,
and that helped them beat us. It's something to be
said when you can play together, especially barring injury unity.
(09:52):
It's something for that knowing what to do, knowing how
to do it. Now you're getting these players, you're releasing players,
you got a new system. If we go to training camp, well,
today was kind of rest day for half the defense,
but it's a.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Padded day, coach, that's going to happen. But that can't.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That had and the change that the Cowboys are trying
to make, that is part of it. That is part
of And I'll go to a smaller unit in basketball.
How those five to six guys, how big is that?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Oh? It's incredible. I mean, I can, I can.
Speaker 8 (10:25):
We're talking about even just being in March right minus
having that cohesiveness. You want to make a run to
the championship. Yeah, you need some good players, but those
guys need need to be on the same page, you
know what I mean, And that to Nex's points, it's
absolutely it's imperative that you have that.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Well, was it oh so kind of a leader on
that defense? And have you now created captain?
Speaker 10 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (10:48):
Have you created a hole both on the field and.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Off Sure, sure you did. But I'll go back.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
I don't know if you guys remember this when we
having a conversation in Indy. Did I call you guys
in Indie? Yeah, I called you Indie.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I missed that call. I missed that call. I missed
that call about Indy.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
This this was circulating the talks of Oh I can
say it now.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
We spoke to.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
Ocean's agent and in Indianapolis and there was some h
I'm not saying that this is OSA specifically, but there
was some conversation about during this three, you know, changing
to this three four, what did that mean for the
guys in this defense? Because OSA was brought in to
run for three defense and so now when you look
(11:34):
at it, you know, and also learned a very valuable
lesson when it comes to business and it comes we
talked about having sponsors, uh, you know, up above the
locker room because OLSA would have had to play a
position that necessarily didn't suit him well, right, that four
our position that he would have had to play didn't
really sit, you know, suiting Well. You heard Christian Parker
already talk about what he felt like for Kenny Clark
(11:56):
in this defense because he had him in in Green Bay.
And Quinn Williams, his talent just tops everything, right, Quinn
Williams is good enough to where you adjust to him,
he don't adjust to you, right, right, And so that
left Osa the Ivan out. If we can't pay a
twenty million dollars rotational piece, we we can't.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
We can't. We can't pay that.
Speaker 8 (12:16):
That's not that's not here, and then you don't fit
in what we are actually doing. And so you know
there was smoke about about that and uh in Nindy
and so then they began to kind of pick up
a little bit as the free agency went through and
teams begin to inquire about Osa. But I think what
the Cowboys did in this trade and then this is
(12:37):
not like you know, oh Osa's gone. You know, say
things and kick things behind your back, y'all know me.
I know, y'all. I'll say what I want when I
want about who I want and then did whatever the
cod Sports comes later about it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So this is not one of those things.
Speaker 8 (12:48):
Well, I'm saying I said this two years ago, a
year ago about Osa. I thought Osa really capitalized off
the being next to a game changer. Yes, when he
was next a name that shall not be named, that
helped him out, but when he had to do it
by hisself, he was never a good enough player that
(13:08):
you thought could stand on his own and be a
game changer, right, like a Quinning could be right. And
so you don't fit into that mix. And this is
just another sign of Jerry committed to younger at the
defensive coordinated position. But now you have to support it.
It does you no good to bring in Christian Parker
(13:28):
and then handcuff him by keeping guys that he can't use.
Now you're falling back to the same spot you were
a year ago, because now you're saying, we paid him
twenty million dollars, you gotta play him.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's like, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work for
what I do.
Speaker 8 (13:43):
And now I got a guy that I have to
play who's chilling the chemistry of what we're doing out there.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I'm not happy about it. The guys around him ain't
happy about it.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
He's not happy about playing that position because it doesn't
it's not his strong suit. So I think this was
the people up front, I mean up top, saying what
are you all right? If he doesn't fit, then let's
see if we can't get something for him, Let's see
if we can't, we can't move him. But you know,
so that's that's coupled with them saying we're really all
in on Christian Parker, like we're gonna trust whatever process
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and whatever vision that he has.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
And they've done that so far. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
They for sure hadn't bust the budget during free agency,
and they're okay, like they're okay, they're better than what
they were last year overall. But but yeah, no, no, no,
But here's the thing. Better is all relative. Right, you
were thirty second last year, so better means you get
(14:41):
to twenty nine. And I would say that they're probably
about thirty right now, and mainly because not because of
what you did up front, I personally believe. I like
for Sean Gary, he's a Jersey guys from my neck
of thewards. He's not a game changer, right, He's slightly
better than what you got last year.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Out of the Daveon Clowney.
Speaker 8 (15:02):
Where I think you got really better was help getting
some help in the secondary with Locke and Thompson. That
helps you not give up five hundred passing yards to
quarterbacks who shouldn't throw the ball for over one hundred
and fifty yards, right, and God's running Scott Free. And
now you have, you have that that multiple multiplicity and
versatility that Christian Parker was asking for in his secondary.
(15:24):
You brought back Malie Cooker, you now have Jalen Thompson.
You add PJ. Lock to the mix, you know, and
now you and now you try to now you try
to put together, you know, a secondary that helps that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know, they're still open stuff in the draft, but
they got better better? How much better? I don't, I don't.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I don't think if the season started today with this
particular defense, I wouldn't go on this defense and go, yeah,
we're we'll be, we'll be fifteenth fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You ain't got that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Don't don't don't say that, Jesse, you ain't got that
gonna inspire other guys to say this's gonna be a
whatever he say.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
People just hijacking. Jesse said, they're gonna be twelve, They're
gonna be don't don't do that.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
No, they might, they might be thirty, thirty person and
a half.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Right now, come first, come up.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Just by adding a new system, you gotta that gives
you plus three, right Heck, at least you do its work.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
We ain't seen the system work here yet. I'm having faith.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, it can't work, no work.
Speaker 8 (16:27):
That's a lot of folks that had that hope, him
in that faith. Y'all been riding that hoping hope even
faith for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So yeah, that's why I'm at with that.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Please practice, Alan, I it does mean something. Practice, It
does mean something.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Olsa loved the valuable lesson in business as well, because
Olsa had an offer on the table before he signed,
more money back, with more money to go to another team,
and he took less money hometown discount.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Don't do it here.
Speaker 8 (16:56):
And you know, I don't know how else to tell
people this. You if you play or employed by a
professional team, hell, any team, get any job, they can
make it as much family atmosphere as they want. You're
not in the family, you're not in a will and trust
(17:16):
you don't.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
You don't.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
You don't get dressed up or take pictures at the
Christmas with the Christmas card. You're not on the spring
break vacations. No, you are a piece of the puzzle.
And when business needs to be made, they will make
business despite and the name not that they don't. They
don't like osa And I'm sure there's not a person
that dude, great dude in the community, great dude in
the locker room.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's business.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
And for the fans, please stop tweeting me about how
other players are talking about like, oh oh that rivalry
stuff is not real. It's not real because guess what.
Guess what is be like, Oh, yeah, he's going to
the Niners. We hate the Nineers. No, no, you hate
the Niners. I'm gonna go where they're gonna pay me.
You know, is gonna be saying week one, You're gonna
be saying bang bang not a gang like everybody else.
(18:00):
There is no such thing about like this whole rivalry thing,
and that he's not going to go there because of no, no,
you go. Green is the only color that matters Jackson Andrew.
That's the only people that matter in the mix. Yeah,
the Bengi's that's the only thing that matters when it
comes down to that rivalry stuff. Yeah, while you're while
(18:22):
you're on the team, it matters. You say it, you
you play along with it. It's not that's not it's
not real.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
No, there was.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
There was a guy that worked for years in our
UH accounting department and they hired him and he had
a big Raiders tattoo on his forearm. You know who
his favorite team was as soon as he got hired here,
The Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboy.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Donovan as a Rocky Well, die hard Philadelphia Eagles fan,
whole family.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
He said it. Now He's like, nah, it's that's it's
about the start. That's it's not real. It's a fan
let thing.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
You guys can have. You can you can have fun
with the y I'm sure, but it's not a paid
in bills. A little tea changes quick and quickness. All right,
let's take a change.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Let's okay, I guess that's what they could.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
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secondary guys. What are we getting with those two guys?
If you had any any chance to look at any
film or know them.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You get versatility, you.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Get familiarity, and an assistant Ryan Smith, who was over
at Arizona is not here with the Cowboys in the secondary.
So that's what Jalen Thompson comes from. PJ Lock, of course,
was in Denver when Christian Parker was in Denver, So
you get guys who have versatility, right, And I just
take what Christian Parker said and then start matching it
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to the player. He wants guys in the secondary, especially
his safeties and some of his slot guys. He says,
sometimes you're gonna have to play a pure free safety
and then sometimes you're gonna have to play down in
the box, and sometimes you're going to have to play
in the slot. And so he wants guys that have
the versatility to do it. If you go back and
you watch Arizona's defense last year, you know what they
did in the secondary is they wanted to confuse your
in the secondary, So they line up one way and
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then they'll shift to something else. And they were doing
a multitude of things, and so Thompson was in that.
So you bring a guy in because they want to
eliminate what we heard about last year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm confused. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
It's difficult to learn, and so they're bringing in guys
that fit that mold.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Thompson fits that mold.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
So I'm trying to get So you're saying versatility, you
mean intelligence, I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
To a versatility intelligent.
Speaker 7 (23:04):
Okay, okay, because don't don't lead that out you no, no.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No, that that is don't lead versatility intelligence.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
There's a lot of dudes that can jump high and
move side.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
To be multiple.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
But yes, to your point, have the intelligence because this
defense going to be complex. Anytime you hear someone says
that we're going to be multiple, that this is the
code word for complexity, that we're going to try to
disguise things. We're going to try to look one way
at the snap and look a completely different way post.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Now, let me ask this question, do you think people
can miss practice and learn this defense?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, I mean Lawrence Taylor, he was a guy who
missed practice.
Speaker 7 (23:41):
Yeah, but he but he could draw up the thing
when the coach.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, he was special.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
He was what you call in the trading card world
one of one.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, right, study question to answer your question.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
No, it wouldn't behoove you to learn a new system
that will be this complex and this multiple to not
be in practice because you know you can see it
on the board in one day, but you got to
get out the in the field actually see it happen.
Because what they do in this you know, cover four
match of this match defense, the vic Fangio defense, cover
forward is match. So it looks it's cover four, right,
(24:19):
So we're talking about quarters covers, right, it's twenty five
twenty five, twenty five to twenty five four quarters make
a dollar, right, That's how the feel is broken up
in the quarters. So it's gonna look like quarters covers
where everybody has a zone at the start. Yes, but
depending upon what you do as an offense. If if
two goes vertical and one doesn't, then now that safety
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he takes him man demand, and now it goes from
being covered four to now it's covered three over here,
or cover two match over here, or it could be
cover six meaning being four on one side, two on
this side. So all of these things are happening. What
happens when you get a crosser that comes into your zone, right,
a guy may pass that crosser off and then go
bab play middle of the field. That guy picks up
(25:02):
the cross of coming across the field, and now the
covers went from four to three.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Three robber or three, you know.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
So it's that level of complexity that comes along with this,
and so you want to and Chrise the park talked about,
you know, I want to have you know, my defense
be from the back to forward, beating my secondary safeties
upfront to upfront. So he needs those guys in the
back end to really be on their game, to be intelligent,
(25:30):
to be smart, to be knowledgeable of what we're doing
on the field, and be able to be changing that
at the drop of a dime. I don't think they
had the players to do that last year, but these
guys that have come in, I think initially because they've
done it.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
They've done it. PJ has done it.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
PJ Lock has done it in Denver, he was starting
in twenty twenty four, but you know, play starting minutes
in twenty twenty four backup role the rest of the
time course, special teams gout for PJ. Locks, so he
can come in and give you some things. But Thompson
has been a starter, and he's a guy coming from
Arizona that understands that coverage part of what Christian Parker
is doing. And so you know, coach is kind of
(26:06):
giving coach. Coach Parker's kind of giving each one of
his guys, his linebackers not so much yet, but like
his guys up front, Marcus Dixon, you know, Rashaun Gary.
He's been working with Rashan Gary. Uh, not one with
Sean Gary, but their other the trainer BT Jordan. BT
Jordan's been training and working with these guys all year long.
So you feel some kind of way about you know
(26:27):
about that. Marcus, you know, is still in that mix
as well as getting no defensive guys. But Ryan Smith
got guys in the secondary, so they need to show
up that linebacking class. But for the most part, I
think I think showing up that that that secondary's the safety,
the safety in the slot. Really you still have questions
that corner. I think that helps them significantly.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
With the with the moves that they made free agency
so far, I mean, you have what a month left
free agency.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We haven't talked about the greatest move they made a
free agency yet.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Which one, Sam Howell?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Come on, come on, come on, Sam, I'm talking about
it was. It was C D and George Pickens was
two number ones. You got, you got, you got one
A and one B at the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
All hell, great, baby, Sam how I was being sarcastic,
but he was being serious.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I was being that serious, Sam Howe. Baby about about
the challenge? What is did dark Prescott for that starting spot?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
What?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Okay, tap the brakes on that? But what does that
tell you about the the backup quarterback and what they
think of the Milton project and the you know, Will
Griers the.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Got the best job in the world. He can run.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Who's Sam Howell?
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Mills know what y'all been saying from to day one?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
He can throw, you don't know where to go?
Speaker 7 (27:45):
You can throw?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
What's that? What's that show? What's that show? Chris bull Duram?
Is that bull Durm?
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Yeah, Bull Durham, Bulldovy.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah. The movie the movie were the guy couldn't hit? Yeah,
what's it called? Loose nukes? A million dollar arm and
a sitting break? What do he he's.
Speaker 9 (28:09):
Dek hasn't played back to back full seasons, and in
a minute, Kurt way to Go probably felt like Milton
wasn't ready to Did.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
You just snake bite our quarterback? Yes? He did?
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You you can send your tweet.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well, what is it at d C?
Speaker 9 (28:31):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
The Samehow I like that as a backup he played
what voice of the star? I like him a lot
better than what you've had in recent years.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, he's the most experienced backups you now have.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, played a full season, right with washing full season?
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, he's played. He's played a bunch. He's played a bunch.
He's bounce around, little bit tar real great man.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
All right, there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Jesse sleep sleep on saying how great beerd too? When
he goes his beard.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
Out, brother, I ain't sleeping on.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I promise you just anything but what we had, anything
but what we had told us.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Y'all y'all was telling us that ship that Joe.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Man who is y'all?
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Yeah, I won't know who y'all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Nobody in over there, y'all.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Man, there's some brothers that got mad at me. I said,
what do y'all think about Milton? He can run we
throwed his football. He can throw it like a rock.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
You can throw the thing eighty five yards.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I don't know where to who.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
All right, let's take our last break.
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These moves that they've made, does this tell you? Does
it tell you anything about the draft or give you
any insight into what they're going to be targeting?
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Obviously cornerbacks are.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Pretty glaring need right. I mean, it's still all the above, right,
best player above defense?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Who's whoever the best guy is? What are some of
the names out there?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the
draft talk. What are some of the defensive guys that.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Are right now?
Speaker 8 (32:56):
They're talking about the man that's popped up at the
top of the list currently. Now that you've gotten you
traded Osa got rid of them, But you traded Osa
is Kelvin Falk The interior defensive lineman from Auburn because
he can play that four I position. And the comparison
is if we if we can kind of rewind what
was What I'm hearing is like, Okay, when Bill Parcells
(33:20):
was here and he was running the three four defense,
he had Marcus Spears playing that particular type that four
I position. And now trying to find a guy like that,
and you know, people talking about like Kelvin Falk may
fit that mold of being able to be that that
guy who plays that four I on the defensive line.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
To me, I.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Think, well, it's great to stop the run. I think
that's a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Thing to do.
Speaker 8 (33:46):
It should be noteworthy. Uh the run is isn't what
killed you last year. It wasn't you need you need
once except for that Carolina game. Right, Yeah, Rico went loose.
Rico got loose in that game. But you got to
stop the pass. You you gotta you gotta go get
some guys to rush the quarterback. I mean when we
watched game in and game out last year, where uh,
(34:10):
what's my guy from from the Cardinals, Jacoby Brissett, Right,
he was a backup came in. It was just in
the had all day, throw the ball around the park,
Russell Wilson all day, JJ McCarthy all day.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I mean, the list goes on and on and on
and on.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
When quarterbacks came in here and just had a countless
amount of times where they went back to they dropped
back and was do wasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Even sniffing them, wasn't sniffing them.
Speaker 7 (34:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
And I think that's just where uh. You know, Nate
said that it's a passing league. You got to be
able to get after the quarterback. So hopefully you got
to be able to cover and get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (34:46):
And then once and once a team becomes one dimensional.
Now you can kind of clamp down on what they do.
But I think for the Cowboys, you got to you
have to find some way somehow, whether it's picked twelve
or pick twenty, however the draft falls to you. You
got to get somebody to get around that corner.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
You just can't. You just have to.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
The talent is too great, The arms shrunther is too
too tremendous, uh from quarterbacks and from wide receivers that
if you don't get pressure on that quarterback man who.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
They got right now other than you got Gary, I guess,
and you hope as a Rocker's back full strength.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Else you got yeah, And that's what I'm saying. You don't.
You don't have anybody else. So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
I know that they're trying to make marias Leah foul
an outside live backer, and I don't know what that
means as far as rush capabilities, but you gotta find
somebody that's gonna turn that corner and get after the
quarterback you want, you want to be able to come
into the game. And that's why I was so big
on medicals aside. That's why I was so big on
that that player that.
Speaker 14 (35:47):
That didn't get that didn't go to the Ravens, because
I was just like, you know, have these picks, man,
I'm like, let's need I'm like, forget these picks, man,
Go go go get a game changer, Go get go,
get a c riser, get.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Somebody who changes the trajectory of the people around him.
We saw what that looked like. We saw what that
looked like. We didn't have any interior run defense that
we have now. So I'm like, go go go do
When you had it, we were begging you, Nate.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Nate was always for We've been doing this show for
eight years.
Speaker 8 (36:18):
I've been doing sho for eight years with y'all, and
they've been begging for some meat greasy fat boys.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
And then you get rid of the one thing. To Chad,
he was like, all right, we finally got the meat greases.
You know what I'm saying. We've finally got that. Now
we don't got no people that could turn a corner.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
So it's like, you, we asked you to get this,
and you get this, and you got rid of the
thing that We're like, no, no, you need that, but
you needed that.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
To work with together. You gotta get somebody that could
turn that corner. Man. And when they break the huddle,
where is he at?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
They can't break the huddle and just be like, oh,
let's just settle down AND's get to our stands.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
No, where where is that player at?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (36:53):
There he is, hey, Roger, Roger, Roger, Louis, Louis Louis.
You shifted that whole line one way to one way
or other. But but the name that's come up is
Keldric faulkn And you know they talked about Peter Woods,
who they're working out now another interior defensive lineman. So
that that that's been coming up as of late in
the last twenty four hours due to the the Osa situation.
(37:17):
And my personal opinion is you're not replacing Osa, not
that you can't replace it, but that's not the goal.
It's gonna be a rotational piece you have that he
took it. I think it was his teammate that got Otto.
Was the name o Toto.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Tito.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
They were they were they were college roommate and college
teammates at U C l A.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I believe.
Speaker 8 (37:36):
So that's your other rotational guy when he goes in
to play the nose and you slid one of the
other guys out for whatever you need. You know, you
slide Kenny, you slide so and so out. You you
have other pieces, you know, signing. They already signed tires sweet.
I know they were talking about pending and signing. But
you move those guys around.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
In this in this system, do you for it. Let's
just say they go get an edgeresher with one of
those two first round picks in Parker system. Is he
gonna want a guy that's hand in the dirt pass
rusher or kind of that hybrid like Michael was, where
he can kind of play off the edge, stand up
(38:13):
or down kind of that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
You know how he does.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He likes a hybrid safety that can come down, bigger guy.
Speaker 7 (38:21):
You are pure pass rusher, It don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Hand in the ground, are standing on two, are coming
out of all fours.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
It don't matter.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
If you a pure get the quarterback type guy, that
don't matter. Coach will make a move for you to
do whatever it takes to get you those type players
what he's talking about, It don't matter. They can stand up,
they can sit down, because the biggest word is not
how you line him up, is when you line him up,
how they're gonna block him. You know, you guarantee two
(38:51):
players on Michael every time when you can do that
right now on Crosby, you guarantee two players every time,
whether they hand in the dirt, whether they and on
up on twos, It don't matter. That guy right there
don't matter. Now if you're gonna say I want it
all around, got that guy ain't down no more where
you can drop back into the flashing, No man, just
(39:13):
going to get somebody that can rush that pass.
Speaker 8 (39:15):
But again, you got to be able to do it
at a certain way because how you line up in
the three four that those defensive ends are gonna play
when you when you hear God talk about that four
iy that is the inside eye of the tackle, right,
So they're not lining.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Up wide you know five or why nine?
Speaker 8 (39:32):
Meaning you see those guys, you know, sometimes you see
them they stand in the slot, you know what I mean,
coming off, So you're gonna have to work from that
interior type space then you would any other time those
tackles on the outside. That's when you hear when you
hear four, I just think the tackle is set up.
They're gonna be on the inside eye of the tackle.
So now you have to work in that space. You
know what I'm saying, you're gonna have in the three four,
(39:54):
You're gonna have that uh the linebacker is gonna be outside.
So that's that's that's the difference of it all, and
and and and it's the part that comes back to
the complexity of it all is excuse me, is he's
you know, he said we're gonna be a three four
defense with four three spacing, So that's you gotta you know,
it'll change up sometimes and you'll have different looks and
(40:16):
guys will have different responsibilities. So but you got you
have to figure out a way to go get the quarterback.
You just get you have to figure.
Speaker 13 (40:24):
Out a way.
Speaker 8 (40:25):
And and right now they don't have a guy. I mean,
Rashaun and Gary a good he's a good piece, but
I mean history says he's not getting you double digitus
sacks as a rocal we.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We think can be. But he's having hip surgery.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
We hope that, we hope the injury he recovers well,
but he's gonna miss all of OTA's, all of mini camp, right,
he'll be ready, hopefully by training camp, so he'll be
trying to find his legs throughout the preseason, which means,
you know, you kind of sometimes when you're when you're
getting that conditioning back, you kind of get that conditioning back,
(41:05):
you hit a wall, you recover, and then you're ready
for that second start. So we don't know where he's
gonna be and his progression after a hip a hip surgery,
so you know, you.
Speaker 9 (41:15):
Know you're only gonna be able to find that guy
in the draft now, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Or you can trade some more, I guess.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
So I mean, you just picked up a third round
pick with the Osa trade and maybe you can pack
it something together for another guy.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
I don't. I don't give that. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
They said they aren't. You shouldn't. If you know, doctor
doctor Cooper said the medicals. I don't know. He said that.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Let me keep keep this from real brothers. What's the
number one asset to a pass rusher? Be size, pure speed?
Speaker 7 (41:50):
What's the number on his dip hilps, dips and hips.
I'm not looking for nothing. I'm not looking for that.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
From Israk Toll late late in the season, you better
go get somebod legs just talking about you, better go
get somebody. The number one asset to any pass Russia,
Crosby Parsons, anyone of Garrett Garrett brother Look at the hips,
Look at the hips. Come on, man as Rocco take
(42:22):
his time, get back the middle of the season. Go
get somebody on which you got to go get somebody.
Hips are the key, bro.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
If you can't be in.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Your hips, so you can't flex your hips, you can't
move your hips, you can't play football.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Securious city best hips don't lie, don't lie. Hips don't live.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Kurt.
Speaker 4 (42:41):
What else you got?
Speaker 9 (42:44):
I don't know what else we got?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
We got Tom Brady, Yeah, we got two minutes.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Look at the list. All you need that.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
The way we had to switch to you on this
thing back from the chairs, The way he was acting
another day, Kirt, the way we had from the chairs.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Boy, you know, Kurt, don't need it'll take long.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Get one bumped. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (43:06):
So you don't like right now, right now this defense
better or worse than it was?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
Overall?
Speaker 8 (43:18):
This defense right now, overall, I would say today better
it just barely, barely barely but better.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Alright.
Speaker 9 (43:27):
We making progress?
Speaker 8 (43:28):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, Sam Williams used to
way he was going ninety you know, it's going thirty
miles over and he was going twenty five over.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It's progress. So we asked for Kurt.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
I guess does it feel different to y'all this year?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
No, it feels very same to me. It's very very myth.
Speaker 9 (43:45):
I was telling myself it felt different, but now not so.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Shit, it don't. I'm telling you fellas. When we get
the training camp and we come out of training camp
and everybody, well, we don't know when you have about
like twenty five we don't knows.
Speaker 7 (44:02):
Wow, here we go again.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
All right.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Let me ask you this, because every year you get
you get a feeling at training camp the first week
you're there.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You may not say it on the radio, but you'll
tell us.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
We're in trouble, right right right.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So a weekend, we're gonna check in with you on
the group chat, how you feeling, Nate, and then you
can say this is different.
Speaker 9 (44:28):
Might have to give them until that che scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
The reason I could always say that is because I
used to base things off our off offensive line play.
And when the Cowboys have had good offensive lineman, then
I could judge the defensive lineman better. But when you've
had average offensive linemen and the defense running by them
and the average.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
How do you judge that?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
So I tell people like, for training camp, this guy
to look good, but we'll know in another four days
called hey, come to Rams, you know, you know? And
and it ain't that I think the Rams are better,
but they practiced faster, they practiced with a more better Yeah.
(45:17):
I have one I have one question. What George Pickens
is out there?
Speaker 7 (45:24):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (45:25):
He's a non exclusive franchise player. Have we had any
bikes yet?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
No? Nothing I've heard, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Just just because I try to tell people giving up
thirty five million dollars a year and two first round picks,
everybody ain't built like that. Everybody ain't the rams, y'all.
But and also and this is and it takes time.
This is this is a portion of a part that
you know, it comes back to. I think George is
(45:56):
a great player.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
He may almost made it the whole show.
Speaker 8 (46:01):
George is a great player, right, But George is a
difference man, Like he's not in that conversation of the
elite of the elite, you know what I'm saying, Like
he had a really good year, but you're not putting
it like when you go when I think about someone
who's going to get top top compensation, they got to
(46:22):
be in that top two or three category for me
and at their position. And I'm like, I like George.
I want George back here. But the Cowboys knew that
they want to go to get a two two number ones.
Now it's negotiable, you know. No, No, maybe people look
after this after a while and go, all right, we'll
see what we have here now. But yeah, George is
(46:44):
really really really really really really really good.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
First, he's not top three for somebody to bite on that,
wouldn't You have to have the perfect team and the
perfect situation.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
That just goes. That's the one, dude, we need to
win a championship.
Speaker 8 (46:58):
I don't think I don't think there's a receiver in
the league that's too that's worth that.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah. Maybe maybe Jamar Chase, maybe.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
The guy in Seattle.
Speaker 7 (47:10):
No No to see more than one year.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Jackson Smith and Jiggwa, not Pooka, Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Maybe him, him or Jamar.
Speaker 8 (47:19):
Yeah, Jamar no No, I love CD Yeah, Jamar maybe Jefferson.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
And they've done too, and they've done it year after
year after year.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Jam to me would be the only one that was
worth two ones.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
But then I wouldn't have to have a quarterback in play.
Speaker 8 (47:40):
Yeah, like two ones, you have to have a quarterback
in tes a lot. Like two ones is like quarterback
defensive end, like the two of the biggest game changers.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Two ones is a lot.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, you're gonna have to if you're going to get
a wide receiving give up that, you have to have
the quarterback in place.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
It literally has to be the missing like, don't need
no one else. These picks don't need them.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, he's not saying you have to have the right
team for the right situation.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
That that gets us there for sure. All right, Fellas
anything else.
Speaker 9 (48:11):
Kirt, No, im just looking at the salary. I mean
pickets could wind up being the third highest pass highest pa.
Speaker 8 (48:17):
Oh yeah, I mean sometimes it's not about skills, about
time to day you get paid.
Speaker 7 (48:23):
Unless you Clarence thinking somebody you think it somebody.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Calvin, Calvin. It was another claris It was Calvin that
said it.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Hey, I bet Calvin saying in his mind, well he
ain't signed, has he he ain't signed at the tender
a second row.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Well he cussed him out. That's been so great.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
All right, fellas, good stuff, Jesse, good seeing he, Nate,
good seeing you, Kurt, good seeing you, Chris.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Thanks for keeping us on the air. Keep them cookies
away from the big boy in the back. We will
be back next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Same time, same place, hanging with the boys.
Speaker 10 (49:03):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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