March 26, 2026 • 46 mins
Will the Jaxson Smith-Njigba deal affect negotiations with George Pickens? And how serious was the team’s interest in Maxx Crosby? Plus, Nate spends some time with Prime.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, next flowing down the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
He's hanging with the boys. Now Your hosts.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross Shannon.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Thursday, Thursday, opening day of baseball season, Kurt's favorite day
of there. Here are looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza
outside Ford Center at the Star Frisco, Texas, where it
is beautiful eighty one degrees, the high is eighty seven,
the low is sixty six.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
It is beautiful. That is Shannon's there is Nate. We
got Chris in the back. I am Kurt filling in
for Salt and Pepper, Poppy. Jesse's taking a breather together.
We are the sports talk equivalent of Braille people, when
we speak.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
To you each and every show. Well, you know what
wing stops here, it's here. I had a little memory
laps to what's going on here today. Rose is all
out of whack and one up when we don't have
the whole crew. So how you guys do it?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm doing great, man, I'm doing I'm doing you know what, Kurt,
I just left Colorado, So I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Oh wow, visit with Prime.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Yeah, just left it like this morning.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Two day.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I left Monday and got there Monday night and practice tuesdays.
Jump back in the truck, got here Tuesday night, got
back late Tuesday night.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Charles Hayley had.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
His Tackle for Life I think is where he helped
kids and stuff. Had a little gambling deal down here
at the training table yesterday. So I've been having fun.
Speaker 8 (02:02):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
So very nice. You get up there and talk to
the kids in Colorado. You just hang out with pro.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I I worked a little bit with the offensive line,
you know, just a little bit. Kids are a little
bit different now they You know, brother, Ben your knees
is not a discussion why you can't. If you can't
Ben your knees, why are you here?
Speaker 7 (02:27):
Brother? Stay Low?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't okay, you hit your elbow. That happens in football,
Stay Low. I mean, it's at debate with everything, but
I like how you are cheering me on. I'm like,
I ain't fin the debate that I'm not cheering you on.
I want to say you sun them. You know, that's
what I really want to say, but you can't talk
to the babies.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Like that now, m They need you up there cracking
that whip.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Brother, George Hangeman is cracking the whip. He's cracking the whip.
They got, Oh what's up Andre? He played center for us.
He's up there trying to crack the whip. But the
money makes a difference, y'all want to The money makes
a difference, and parenting is less because money is set
(03:16):
in the households. You know, your kid make one hundred thousand,
You and your husband together couldn't make sixty thousand. So
guess who wins when? It should never be that way.
It shouldn't never be that way. You know, you show
this kid how to save money, You show this kid
how to invest his money. You don't go up there
and party with your kid. You don't go up there
(03:38):
and live with your kid. That where he would have
had a one bedroom apartment, now he got a two
and a half bedroom apartment.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I mean, and this is not it just at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It's at every college that has extra money to give
to the kids.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
This is at every college.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
These coaches are fighting with one hand behind their back.
I'm telling you every coach is fighting this now the
power fives I mean, I mean the true power that
Texas is the Michigans, the Ohio States, the Georgia's. They
still got somewhat control LSU talk Prime and lost. They
(04:15):
left tackle the l s U. The one serious offensive
lineman they had that was established. He going to l
s U, you know, for nice little chunk of change.
I think when they told me how much they paid him,
I said, can I move in with him too?
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Now I know a personal coach?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, what's concerning I guess to me, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Having a five year old.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I went and had lunch with somebody the other day
that has has a couple of kids that are high
school about to get ready for college, and they've entered
this AAU basketball world. One of their sons and he
was and he's really good. He's I think a freshman,
but he's playing up to a varsity level.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
And then they have these circuits, right, sneaker circuit and
all this sort of stuff. And then but what's happening is.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It's becoming a business for the like what you said,
very much for the pen already we were where but
it's like, okay, I think my kid might be able
to play college with all these nil deals. So I'm
going to go cash in my four oh one k
and I'm going to get them a personal coach, personal
(05:30):
training that you used to didn't get until you got
already had the money right whether when that was I'm
going pro, I got, I got an agent that's going
to back me until I get my first paycheck. Now
they're investing in these kids like it's an I think
my kid might make it. So, like you said, you
got a couple of parents that are making YO sixty
(05:51):
thousand dollars a year combined. They're taking their life savings
and putting it in these junior high kids because they
think they might have the talent, and they're rolling the
dice and and you know how that is. Ninety nine
percent of these kids don't even make it to the
college level, much less the pro level. But they're getting
paid pro money in college now, so it's worth the.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Gamble and get it well for them in their mind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But then it turns them into jerks because they're so invested.
It takes the fun out of the sport for the kid.
It's a business at a twelve year old age where
used to just do it for fun, and then if
you had the athletic talent, it's changing everything and it's
I don't think this is fun.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Youth sports is a mess right now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, because I can't even imagine the college kids that
are already getting the money.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm telling you, parents, you can write in, call in,
do whatever you want. You can text in, you can
get whatever you want. That is dumb. Dum capital BB.
That is dumb. That is dumb because when this kid
don't make it, what are you gonna do. You're gonna
(07:05):
look at your baby, who had nothing to do with your.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Decision, and start looking at him in a different light.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You taking a baby that's fourteen, ten, maybe ten years old,
twelve years old, and you turn him into an investment,
so you look at him a whole different way. And
your kid, let's say he make it to college and
he gets a two million dollar deal for one year,
(07:37):
and then all of.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
A sudden, he looks at you and say you need
to do this, and you need to do that, and.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You try to stop him and say, hold on, I'm mama,
I'm daddy, and I did don't matter.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
You created this monster. You create, don't ever stop being
a parent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I'm not saying I was no great parent, because
if it wasn't at out Darth Newton, my ex wife,
my kids probably wantn't be the men that they are today.
So I'm not saying, but somebody in the household, grandmama, uncle, aunt,
somebody got to step up and say, y'all doing this wrong.
Somebody better step up. How y'all doing there? Go some babies? Yeah,
(08:17):
y'all should be in school. I'm trying to tell you
the right get this break break you know, screen break
over with.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Well, different schools have times, different guy, they don't wave
at me. Your kids need to be.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But nah, that that hurts me when I see kids.
I'm not telling you something to be debated. Son, if
you don't bend your knees, this guy gonna run around
you and you won't begin in getting into playing time.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
If you don't understand that you have a.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Down block and you got to get down there in
a hurry because your soner gotta leave and you and
you half doing it that you're running back gonna get
knocked for a lot. And when it's just everything was
for a debate. And so when I talked to Prime,
I said Prime, I know half your team is new,
(09:11):
but these babies got to get in shape.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
When you let me break this down simple, we got time.
Oh yeah, when you are.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not a Alabama or Texas, a Michigan, are now Indiana
or you know, when you don't have the money and
the power in backing that these.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
Real power five schools happen. Two things have to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You have to be in shape, and you have to
know totally what's going on within the offense, defensive, special team.
You have to be submerged in it because your athletic
skill overall cannot cannot cover you. If you're supposed to
be cover two deep safety, you can't walk up an
(10:05):
extra five yards because your athletic skill is not good
enough to get you back deep. When this guy take
off from Alabama a Texas going on a skinny post
and all of a sudden, you say, oh, it's over
for you. Whereas for the better athlete, he's got a chance.
So that's what I'm looking at, and I'm saying, baby,
(10:26):
you got to be better. You have to be in shape.
That's your edge. Your edge is I'm gonna be in
better shape than you, and I'm gonna know one hundred
percent where I need to be and how I need
to do it if I'm gonna compete on this next level.
And now I'm not talking about pro I'm talking about
when you run into a Texas team. Are you running
(10:50):
to a Kansas team or Georgia Tech team that's well coached.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Everybody's in shape.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And on the same page, Errents, your kids have to
be in shape in this competitive world where one year
you making a million, you fall off a cliff because
it every year is ten kids leave Texas because Texas
done gave him five hundred thousand dollars off the drop
that your kid fell off the cliff. Now he's calling
(11:21):
a Colorado, he's calling a North Texas, he's calling TCU
trying to get in and they looking at film like
what happened here? And then the next answer, well how
this happened? This happened is they said, okay, what's your
asking price? Well, I need at least three hundred how
much you made a texts five?
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Yes, sir, I made five at Texas. Well, right now
we got all we got is one hundred. We can start.
We can start at one hundred hundred dollars. Now, yeah,
it should be one hundred dollars, but it's one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So so how is how is because Prime doesn't seem
like he's holds his tongue, and how's he adapted to
this new generation of acth with truth?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
With truth?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
He if you come into his office and you look
on that film and you and you come in because
everybody comes in negotiating at first. See if we got time, Yeah,
got a minute. Everybody comes in negotiating. That's wrong, Dean said,
hold on, mom, dad, agent, aunt, uncle, whoever, that person,
(12:32):
that person of authority is.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Hold on, hold on, Let's talk about playing.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Let me tell you where I see your kid at,
and then you can decide what your kid worth after that.
So this is where we see your kid at. This
is what we seen your kid do. So you said
two hundred what like you said, Kurt, two hundred dollars? See,
because everybody has a big opinion. Everybody ain't David Mala
(13:04):
mala getto.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Everybody, ain't David.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
David knows who his client is and what he can
possibly get you. Going off of some high school coach
that charitished your kid and threw him one hundred and
fifty passes and he caught sixty of them for one
thousand and fifteen hundred yards. Where now he's on the
level where everybody's equal.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
They don't see him that way.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Can you imagine being a coach now, not only do
you have to deal with what you used to have
to deal with, now you got you got Jimmy Jack
from the sporting goods store and Dothan, Alabama representing your kid.
And you got him in there with the kid and
the mom and the dad and the grandpa. And then
(13:48):
you're having to go and then you have like kids
that come in with legit agents.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Can you just just the scope.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Of what you're dealing with when it comes to just negotiation.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Used to kid, we're begging to come to your pro.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Now you're like we have to set God what you do?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You set your board? Just like will mclayden do you
set your board? But see whereas they hoping to draft,
they're hoping to sign, they don't skip the draft. It
ain't no such things recruited. It's like, this is what
our money says. Do we see this kid that dis
range this range, this range? You know, even with the
(14:27):
signing of like remember when when when uh, you know,
you signed for your for your.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, and how big all of that was. That's not
the big thing now for the HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's black college for you know. I'm just trying to
for black colleges.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
And those of that equal.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Ill, this is what we wait on now, Georgia, promise
you that last scholarship at two hundred thousand dollars. But
a dude called in from Texas needing five hundred and
I'll come to you. So two hundred thousand went away. Sorry,
gave the scholarship away. Don't nobody else want me? Hey,
(15:13):
Floryda and m y'all got a spot.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, glad to have you. I had to kick some
other kid out. Glad to have your baby. So they
leave their rosters open to the very last minute certain spots.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
They leave enough spots so when one of them kids
drop out of that power five.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
They may can get it. For Get that kid for
a year or two.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
They're saying, that's making it kind of easier for the
NFL to scout, because the colleges are doing their scouting
for them. All these oh yeah, diamonds in the rough
at Florida and M Yeah, they're getting grabbed by Alabama now. Yeah,
so they're really just focused on the power four.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So if you ain't elite, if you ain't elite at
the Black colleges, if you are not elite, enjoy yourself,
enjoy enjoy college.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
more talk with Nate. I like, I like when Jesse's
out every once in a while.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on one eight. I mean, I
don't know. I'm good if I'm good as George Pickings,
but hey, I'm okay.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Speaking of Yeah, maybe we'll talk about that dude when
we come back.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
But I would like to.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It's there's been a uh, there's been a a contract.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Uh since we last met that made that.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
You know, Chris may.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Tell us a little bit about the market. We'll let
Chris chime in.
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Yeah, come back eight more years, hey, or the boys,
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Speaker 5 (19:14):
Big on paper, Chris, break it down.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Break it down for break it Down.
Speaker 11 (19:18):
It was a four year extension, so he actually they
actually have him for six more years.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
And when does the big money start.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know they gave him a big signing bonus, but
his the two years is when his money start really
kicking in right, Chris.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Yeah, so his big money doesn't start until twenty twenty eight. Yes,
so if you take all the money, put it together,
and divide it by six, it's actually like thirty two
a year, which is kind of the going rate.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Yeah. So as soon as I heard that, I was
on the roll right in here, and so.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm like, why don't they just be honest and say,
this kid signed a six year contract for he two
that's already.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Down four more better, better paper, and.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
But if I'm the NFL, I'm stopping that. Well, maybe
you shouldn't, maybe because the teams be like, man, we
got these kids believing they finna get it, you know
what I like?
Speaker 11 (20:16):
For instance, his cap number next year is only ten
point three, yes, so his his actual base salary's only
one point two million, wow, And his his signing bonus
was eight point eight So.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, a bunch of guaranteed money one hundred and twenty
I think guarantee.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Right, So that that's kind of we're looking in that
ballpark right through a contract with Pickings right thirty two
to thirty five, and if negotiations go anywhere like they
have with the Kicker he's going to ask for forty
five a year and then back it down. But do
either one of you think, just knowing the history with
(20:56):
the agent, there's there's history there, right, there's a very
high water level under that bridge, right, and just knowing.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Things you've heard, do either.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
One of you think he is going to play on
the franchise tag or do you think he's not going
to step foot into training camp until he gets a deal.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I don't think he'll do any offseason workouts. I don't
even think he'n go to training camp right when it gets.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Down, cowboys really want him in training camp. After the
last experience me that that in training camp thing, it
can hurt.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You, right, it can hurt you if he doesn't have
a deal.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Yeah a hold end, Yeah, a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Hold end can hurt you. You sign that contract and
hold in. Now I find somebody say he's hurt. You
say he's fine, but I can find him out to
say he's right. So now you've got to pay him
and he's just sitting there, so you're tagging him, right.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, then he signed it, right, do you just.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Either go get the deal done because I don't want
to go through this again. And I don't think they
do either. I think if I was them, I would
be like, look, that was bad.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
It's bad. Pr it was bad. The outcome was not great.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Now it all worked out in the end, right, everything,
But it could have gone really south, and really it
could have gone. It probably should have gone a lot
worse than what it did. Do you just say, hey,
we either want him or we don't. Let's sign him,
or just let's move on, Let's don't do this whole
song and dance, and hey, we're gonna franchise him, and
(22:38):
then he's not gonna sign it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
We're not gonna play.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like what do you what would you do at this point?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Well, you would think they would. It seems like these
negotiations that the player always winds up getting what he
wants anyway, so you would hope that. But it gets
to the point like cowboys may pay him ced Limb
money or whatever. They shouldn't, but they they may. But
you know, picking this guy, he's maybe asking for forty
you know, and you can't pay him more than you're
(23:06):
gonna pay get up in Minnesota or Incinnati, and you know, you.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Know, I'm agreeing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm agreeing with you, Kurt, because I just believe this
right here, but I believe you one hundred percent on
That's how I felt from day one after he came
in and started to perform, how he was. You had
to make a decision, you know, and I know things
change over time.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Do you want and want this kid? If you didn't
really want this.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Kid, hit him, hit him with yeah, hit him with
something respectable, you.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Know, but this is what.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I always say, And I'm saying respectable, hit him with
CD money, that's respectable. And if he say no, okay,
now you know where you're at. But if you don't
hit him with nothing but a tag and it's an
exclusive tag, that's three or four million dollars up under
the non exclusive tag, what does.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That say to him?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Right? You're gonna piss him off, You piss the agent all.
So like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Let's seny what you want him? Get him? And you know,
people say, well, what is he worth? Okay?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And I know things go up depending on your age. Okay,
we got him as a third round for a third
round pick. Everybody was elated. Everybody laughing, everybody, Oh we
got pissed bird.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Guess what, y'all? We just got what.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Most people think a forty two million dollar deal with
a first and at least a second or third is
when a team is looking at this thing. Come draft day,
Hey mister Jones, we'll give you a first and a
third because we got to pay this kid at least
thirty five million plus a year.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Are you willing to do it? And I'm with you
if you don't want this kid or not.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You get to me.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
If you get thro through the drafts and you don't
have a deal and you're still planning on tagging him,
I think it's you're in trouble, Like I don't think
this guy is gonna play on the tag, and then
you got a big hole at number two. Unless you
think Ryan Floorinoy is gonna step in and be George Pickens,
(25:20):
which he's not. Then you're going in with a lesser offense,
which if it's fine, If that's what you want to do,
go do it. But don't don't get let this thing
get to camp. You get through the draft, you want
to see what somebody will give you. Great you get
into May June, do either make a deal or just
(25:42):
be like, we are planning on not riding with this guy.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
This year.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
If you're going into the draft in the same position
where there's he hadn't signed. There's really not been any
negotiations that we know of. Does wide receiver become a
bigger priority in the draft.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It doesn't because you want I don't think it's a
guy that's gonna demand that early respect of him. So
now that pick at twenty, we talked about, if it's
any tackle that can really play, not a suspect tackle,
if he's suspected to keep right on riding to the
(26:17):
next most valuable player. But if he can, if he
can play, you get that tackle. I don't care if
he a right tackle, left tackle, or undertackle, overtackle.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
You get to tackle. Don't get the receiver.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Get the tackle, because they are not I repeat, George,
they're not George. They come on, now, let's don't play
this league is of what's known. Because this other guy
that we can't mention his name, that we talked about,
that we could have had.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Now they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They circling background talking about coming at this kid again.
Nah man, Nah, I would have go with the known,
is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I would love
to see him on the team. I think him and
CD especially give him another year with Dak this offense,
shore up that offensive line a little bit. I think
they could be the best wide receiver duo.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
In the league.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
They would it last year.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Right, But if you if you choose to not go
that route, fine, that's fine too.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
If you don't want to spend that kind of money.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
You don't want to spend that money, great, let's save it.
Let's put it somewhere else. But make the decision.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
This year.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We're doing things different, right, We've seen things being a
little different. Unless you ask Jesse, he's still convinced it's
the same old, same old. But let's do it different. Like,
if you want the guy, it's like a baseball card.
What's his value? Doesn't matter what his value is. What
do you what are you willing to pay for that card?
If you're willing to overpay for it, that's the value.
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If you don't want it and then you're underpaying, that's
the value. The value is what you pay. Yes, let's
let's make our minds up before we go, before we
get on the plane to go down there.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Either do it now or just don't do it. So
that's my.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Whole opinion on that thing.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I don't have a lot of opinions on the show,
but that was one of them.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
It's a sound, it's a sound.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But the thing that the thing is two things. One
thing that I like that Missus Jones said is no
more red shirts. No more getting guys with a second
and third round pick, getting a guy pulling him back
into the first round. They shouldn't have not even been
drafted to the second day. And no more Okay, he
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went through his whole career injured. No more of those guys.
That's that's a great thing. It's not to say that
a guy can't come here and get injured, but I
would like to at least have a hell c yes
of no injury.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
And the best player possible is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
If you don't have an outstanding need, well, we don't
have an outstanding need. So the best player possible is
the greatest thing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
All right, let's take our last break when we come to.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I don't know about that one. What's that we don't
have any outstanding needs?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
No, no, no, we don't have like we just need we
gotta have a left tackle. We gotta have oh man
left Oh, we gotta have a left tackle. Well, we
need a uh need a lot, we need a line
you have.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
You have so many outstanding needs, not one outstand We.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Can take Grandma bad. I understand you edit, you have
other words.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
There's a lot of good options.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Let's take our last break. When we come back, uh
more football. We don't try to talk about things that
we might not be able to talk about, but.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're word them in a way that we think, yeah, yeah,
we talked about this kid earlier in the year, So
you go back and talk.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, we'll talk to Chris and the break and see
what we can get away with. You did to see
what that is next, and heng go the boys.
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Speaker 4 (32:39):
Man I drove in Texas Diesel is almost five dollars
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Speaker 5 (32:53):
Jeez?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Is it cheaper out west spots spots?
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a lot of the people call carry a better top
tier gas.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
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Speaker 7 (33:09):
Yeah it is, so you have diesel in regular, but
I mean in your other vehicle.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I know I'm diesel with my wife. Is that premium gas?
So we playing premium prices?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Because not good?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
We were talking earlier before the show started.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
We're trying to figure out a.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Way that we could talk about this.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
But it's been reported, so we'll just quote the source
that reported it. And then it's some news came out
when the Cowboys were in the mix for the Max
Crosby deal with the Ravens went through. Everybody knows the
deal fell through because of a failed physical or some
issues with the physical.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
And then I think a couple of days ago, it
came out that what the Cowboys actually offered, right.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, ESPN did a big report on it, and the
Cowboys seemingly were more serious than maybe we thought their
initial offering, according to ESPN was a second there's second
first round pick, so twentieth overall. In Osa eventually went
to the forty nine ers. They came back and said
they would offer them the hire of the pick, the
twelfth overall with a third rounder, which at the time
(34:13):
would have been next year, probably have a third. Ultimately,
their finer offer was the number twelve overall and a
second round pick like next year. Right, wow, and they
went with whatever ball. I don't even remember what Baltimore
offered him, but yeah, they Cowboys made a pretty serious
run there.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I'm with Nate, and I think my mentality over the
last probably five years on this has changed every draft pick,
even if it's a generational guy or you know, you
know it's you always have that chance of let just
just say Kyle Pitts for instance, Right, he was a
(34:53):
generational tight end. Yea good but not worth a top
five or ten pick.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Right, what did he go at? He went top five?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I think, yeah, so that you're always rolling the dice
when you've got a known commodity, even if they're a
little long in the tooth and you only get maybe
a couple of years you know what you're getting, like,
you know you're getting that. And to me, spend, spend
draft capital, spend the unknown to get the known as
what is what I say?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
So I'd have been down for all those deals.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I mean first second, and I mean you wanted to
move on from Osa's contract anyway, throw him in there.
I mean, you got a third for him if you
really want. This goes back to if you really want
the guy, go get the guy right and you.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Know football, right, That's that's the most hurting this thing
when you're doing the draft picks. And like I said,
when I go watch these kids, I'm looking at them
and you can tell kids that love.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Like I looking at one lineman.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He just don't have the athletic ability, but he's one
of the best techniquiess is he's always given that effort
of you saying, I wish this guy was in this guy,
this guy athletic ability was in this guy with all
his heart and all this technique.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You know, wish Rudy was in Darnell Jefferson's body.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So I'm saying to myself, I left them glad out glad.
I went there and said, well, I'm sure glad I ain't.
No coach got to get up watch this film. I
left us saying, Lord Jesus, I'm not because I'm not
finished debate you on whether you should be in your
knees or not and why you can't ben your knee?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Can you tell when you?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And I would always do this when we picked the
draft picks up with the Cowboys. When they get on
the bus, you get to spend a little bit of
time with them, you know, from the airport to here,
and I could just get a feel if a dude
love football, like if he really was a football guy,
or if he was just like an athlete that was
(36:59):
playing football. With just spending fifteen minutes with him, really
I could, like I felt like I could. And then
that would always make me question, like, so.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
You're watching them extra close now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, but it always makes me wonder like, Okay, what
did they what did the guys that brought them in
for the thirty visits and all?
Speaker 6 (37:18):
What did they see that I'm not seeing?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Because I don't know if this dude loves football, athletic ability.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
You're on that Moseley Smith bus or something.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Now I wasn't ONSI, but I was on I was
on one of the.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Might have been that guy, and I just got the
feeling like you're in love with the idea of playing football.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
But I don't know if when coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Make the mistake of saying I got a relationship with somebody,
you know that's like me and a beautiful girl at
the club. You think you got a relationship. Now she
finna get She's finna get what she finna get you.
You finna get left at altar. That's just the bottom line.
It's so simple now.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You invite a kid in and they say, well, my
mom and daddy want to come.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
That used to be a great thing twenty years ago.
That used to oh you want your mom? Oh cool mom,
Dad spell them when you could talk to the dad.
Hey man, what you think that.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Dad trying to? You know, hey, hey, I'm backing you, coach.
I'm in line with your things.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Now. You know you you getting ready to get on
the bus go to a bowl game.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You bring it in kids, You got to bring it
the extra bus to bring the family. These people ain't
loving football. They love them with football can do for
them and so and you're never going to ignore talent.
You're never You're never gonna ignore especially exceptional talent. You're
gonna Alabama say nah, we thwish after a year, but
(38:51):
Texas saying nah, you know got it. Guy said, man, hey, coach,
I coached this kid.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
All you gotta do is do this. Go to Texas covid.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Man, don't you ever call me again talking about because
now now he's over North Texas and now the kid
in the family realizing, hey man, you better do the
right thing. You know, now this kid go blow up
at University of North Texas because he went from one
point five mil.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
To seven fifty to one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
You know, then if you go do the one hundred
and fifty, right, you go back up to three minutes. Yeah,
you suddenly fall back in love with football.
Speaker 12 (39:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, So I just tell people like this, it's about
the money and it's.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
About but if you love football. You know, I listened to.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The the network, NFL network, radio and TV. I religiously
listen to it because it's football people talking. And this
kid that recently signed with the Seahawks. You couldn't get
no one nowhere to say anything of he shouldn't have
(40:10):
got this contract. No, I mean nothing nothing thing.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
You know. I even heard one.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Guy say, hold, I think he probably did wrong with
signed the extension.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
He should have told me wanted his money now, right,
that's not the worship. But that's the kid.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
From long distance that we know love football long distance.
We don't know, you know, heck Man Harrison know the kid.
And I've always taught that before he signed, he talked
highly of him, highly of him. But after he signed,
all he wanted to talk about was what George was
gonna getting.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
I was trying to say, heck, oh your horses.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
You're talking about two different kids, two different organizations with
two different histories.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
See, uh yeah, the Seahawks got way out in front
of that. Yeah, yes, that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And and and he wasn't stove anywhere, you know, Like
remember I just a year ago we laughed.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Well we got over old Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We got Now we're saying you got even shining with opinion.
I don't want him signed now go.
Speaker 14 (41:19):
Yeah, I mean it's easy, but I mean it's easy
for me as a fan. I'm like, don't do this
to me again, right right?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
And you know what, like he wasn't the word on
the street was he wasn't the easiest person to deal
with in Pittsburgh. Let me ask you a question, is
it these players or is it Pittsburgh?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Because a lot of them, a lot of them have
issues in Pittsburgh like we've never really had. We've had
a couple of dudes that you know, custom.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Boasts some meetings here and this and that.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Right, but a lot of But see, this is the
funny thing that a lot of teams have played like
that the great you know.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
But what Trump saw is talent.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
The more you can put up with.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
We like even here t O, right, Daz. But you
know what happens when you oh, that's just that's just
t O. That's just Deaz. You know, heat to the
analytic ability one, and then it's like, you know, you
get the salt and pepper shake over. Here's the cowboys
over here, such and such. But hey, we gotta go
(42:31):
with this for the cowboys.
Speaker 7 (42:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
So back to the original thing with the Crosby deal,
there's only two, maybe three edge rushers in this league
that I would give up first round collateral to bring
them in, right?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
What would what?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
What would your what would your what would both.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Of you Max? Max?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
No pun intended offer be for like a top here
edge rusher, if you were going to trade for a guy,
would you give.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
You could have had the twelve?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I mean if you could have had the twenty, you know,
the twentieth, you could have had the twentieth, You could
have had OSA, and I would have gave you a
second or third.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
I'd have done that.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I wouldn't give up both first, but I would definitely
I would give up the twelve.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
It was would you do a twelve, A three and
OSA or yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:24):
That's the perfect for me?
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Say it again, twelve, three and OSA?
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would probably hope that three would be
next year. But you know the thing.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
Is that would fix a whole lot of stuff. How
how how desperate are you?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
How I'm always I'm talking about I'm talking about the
guy that want to get rid of them? Right See,
I think the Raiders can't go wrong if they keep him.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
I think they can't. You got a guy that love
the sports.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
He's got the players around him. Now, yeah, he had
a better.
Speaker 7 (43:59):
Move, so he he loved the sport. He want to win,
so you can't go wrong with having a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I've always erred, you know, I always wanted to go
with the people that's positive about your program and love
the sport.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
But you know how bad does to me.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
To me, it's it's as bad.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Okay, because guess what you get a guy like that? Well,
you get a guy like that in here all of
a sudden. Guess what, Your cornerbacks play a little bit better.
Your safeties don't don't have to cover for as long.
Your linebacker you still gotta fix.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
But like a lot.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
When that when that window goes from four in five
seconds that you have to pass.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
To two point three to three.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
That that makes a a mediocre secondary pretty damn good
with one guy.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
And that's what we'll be giving up if we don't
sign George. Right now, Dak can drop back and throw
that thing in two point five seconds because he got
end of the majority of the time. You know he
gonna hit on Now George leave and they double CD
and all of a sudden, we got the guys.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
These guys can't work free.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Not that three point oh yeah, Dak just got sudden,
does you know, don't you call Dak name, do not
not on this show, not again again.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Oh hi, fellas who are out of time? Kurt will
save the uh, the rest of your bullets.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
It was great man, it's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
It was great insight Natam, Yeah, good stuff about Colorado
and Dion and the and the.
Speaker 6 (45:42):
New the new wave of athlete. Very insightful. So good stuff. Jesse.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We'll see you next week, Chris, thanks for keeping us
on the air. No cookies for the big boy be back. Oh,
don't do that next week, Hey Pa, we out.
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got Chris in the back. I am Kurt filling in
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We are the sports talk equivalent of Braille people, when
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
To you each and every show. Well, you know what
wing stops here, it's here. I had a little memory
laps to what's going on here today. Rose is all
out of whack and one up when we don't have
the whole crew. So how you guys do it?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm doing great, man, I'm doing I'm doing you know what, Kurt,
I just left Colorado, So I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Oh wow, visit with Prime.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
Yeah, just left it like this morning.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
Two day.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I left Monday and got there Monday night and practice tuesdays.
Jump back in the truck, got here Tuesday night, got
back late Tuesday night.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Charles Hayley had.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
His Tackle for Life I think is where he helped
kids and stuff. Had a little gambling deal down here
at the training table yesterday. So I've been having fun.
Speaker 8 (02:02):
Bro.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
So very nice. You get up there and talk to
the kids in Colorado. You just hang out with pro.
Speaker 7 (02:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I I worked a little bit with the offensive line,
you know, just a little bit. Kids are a little
bit different now they You know, brother, Ben your knees
is not a discussion why you can't. If you can't
Ben your knees, why are you here?
Speaker 7 (02:27):
Brother? Stay Low?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I don't okay, you hit your elbow. That happens in football,
Stay Low. I mean, it's at debate with everything, but
I like how you are cheering me on. I'm like,
I ain't fin the debate that I'm not cheering you on.
I want to say you sun them. You know, that's
what I really want to say, but you can't talk
to the babies.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Like that now, m They need you up there cracking
that whip.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Brother, George Hangeman is cracking the whip. He's cracking the whip.
They got, Oh what's up Andre? He played center for us.
He's up there trying to crack the whip. But the
money makes a difference, y'all want to The money makes
a difference, and parenting is less because money is set
(03:16):
in the households. You know, your kid make one hundred thousand,
You and your husband together couldn't make sixty thousand. So
guess who wins when? It should never be that way.
It shouldn't never be that way. You know, you show
this kid how to save money, You show this kid
how to invest his money. You don't go up there
and party with your kid. You don't go up there
(03:38):
and live with your kid. That where he would have
had a one bedroom apartment, now he got a two
and a half bedroom apartment.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
I mean, and this is not it just at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It's at every college that has extra money to give
to the kids.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
This is at every college.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
These coaches are fighting with one hand behind their back.
I'm telling you every coach is fighting this now the
power fives I mean, I mean the true power that
Texas is the Michigans, the Ohio States, the Georgia's. They
still got somewhat control LSU talk Prime and lost. They
(04:15):
left tackle the l s U. The one serious offensive
lineman they had that was established. He going to l
s U, you know, for nice little chunk of change.
I think when they told me how much they paid him,
I said, can I move in with him too?
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Now I know a personal coach?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, yeah, what's concerning I guess to me, you know.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Having a five year old.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I went and had lunch with somebody the other day
that has has a couple of kids that are high
school about to get ready for college, and they've entered
this AAU basketball world. One of their sons and he
was and he's really good. He's I think a freshman,
but he's playing up to a varsity level.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
And then they have these circuits, right, sneaker circuit and
all this sort of stuff. And then but what's happening is.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
It's becoming a business for the like what you said,
very much for the pen already we were where but
it's like, okay, I think my kid might be able
to play college with all these nil deals. So I'm
going to go cash in my four oh one k
and I'm going to get them a personal coach, personal
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training that you used to didn't get until you got
already had the money right whether when that was I'm
going pro, I got, I got an agent that's going
to back me until I get my first paycheck. Now
they're investing in these kids like it's an I think
my kid might make it. So, like you said, you
got a couple of parents that are making YO sixty
(05:51):
thousand dollars a year combined. They're taking their life savings
and putting it in these junior high kids because they
think they might have the talent, and they're rolling the
dice and and you know how that is. Ninety nine
percent of these kids don't even make it to the
college level, much less the pro level. But they're getting
paid pro money in college now, so it's worth the.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Gamble and get it well for them in their mind.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But then it turns them into jerks because they're so invested.
It takes the fun out of the sport for the kid.
It's a business at a twelve year old age where
used to just do it for fun, and then if
you had the athletic talent, it's changing everything and it's
I don't think this is fun.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Youth sports is a mess right now.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, because I can't even imagine the college kids that
are already getting the money.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I'm telling you, parents, you can write in, call in,
do whatever you want. You can text in, you can
get whatever you want. That is dumb. Dum capital BB.
That is dumb. That is dumb because when this kid
don't make it, what are you gonna do. You're gonna
(07:05):
look at your baby, who had nothing to do with your.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Decision, and start looking at him in a different light.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You taking a baby that's fourteen, ten, maybe ten years old,
twelve years old, and you turn him into an investment,
so you look at him a whole different way. And
your kid, let's say he make it to college and
he gets a two million dollar deal for one year,
(07:37):
and then all of.
Speaker 7 (07:37):
A sudden, he looks at you and say you need
to do this, and you need to do that, and.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
You try to stop him and say, hold on, I'm mama,
I'm daddy, and I did don't matter.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
You created this monster. You create, don't ever stop being
a parent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I'm not saying I was no great parent, because
if it wasn't at out Darth Newton, my ex wife,
my kids probably wantn't be the men that they are today.
So I'm not saying, but somebody in the household, grandmama, uncle, aunt,
somebody got to step up and say, y'all doing this wrong.
Somebody better step up. How y'all doing there? Go some babies? Yeah,
(08:17):
y'all should be in school. I'm trying to tell you
the right get this break break you know, screen break
over with.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
Well, different schools have times, different guy, they don't wave
at me. Your kids need to be.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But nah, that that hurts me when I see kids.
I'm not telling you something to be debated. Son, if
you don't bend your knees, this guy gonna run around
you and you won't begin in getting into playing time.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
If you don't understand that you have a.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Down block and you got to get down there in
a hurry because your soner gotta leave and you and
you half doing it that you're running back gonna get
knocked for a lot. And when it's just everything was
for a debate. And so when I talked to Prime,
I said Prime, I know half your team is new,
(09:11):
but these babies got to get in shape.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
When you let me break this down simple, we got time.
Oh yeah, when you are.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Not a Alabama or Texas, a Michigan, are now Indiana
or you know, when you don't have the money and
the power in backing that these.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
Real power five schools happen. Two things have to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You have to be in shape, and you have to
know totally what's going on within the offense, defensive, special team.
You have to be submerged in it because your athletic
skill overall cannot cannot cover you. If you're supposed to
be cover two deep safety, you can't walk up an
(10:05):
extra five yards because your athletic skill is not good
enough to get you back deep. When this guy take
off from Alabama a Texas going on a skinny post
and all of a sudden, you say, oh, it's over
for you. Whereas for the better athlete, he's got a chance.
So that's what I'm looking at, and I'm saying, baby,
(10:26):
you got to be better. You have to be in shape.
That's your edge. Your edge is I'm gonna be in
better shape than you, and I'm gonna know one hundred
percent where I need to be and how I need
to do it if I'm gonna compete on this next level.
And now I'm not talking about pro I'm talking about
when you run into a Texas team. Are you running
(10:50):
to a Kansas team or Georgia Tech team that's well coached.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Everybody's in shape.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And on the same page, Errents, your kids have to
be in shape in this competitive world where one year
you making a million, you fall off a cliff because
it every year is ten kids leave Texas because Texas
done gave him five hundred thousand dollars off the drop
that your kid fell off the cliff. Now he's calling
(11:21):
a Colorado, he's calling a North Texas, he's calling TCU
trying to get in and they looking at film like
what happened here? And then the next answer, well how
this happened? This happened is they said, okay, what's your
asking price? Well, I need at least three hundred how
much you made a texts five?
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Yes, sir, I made five at Texas. Well, right now
we got all we got is one hundred. We can start.
We can start at one hundred hundred dollars. Now, yeah,
it should be one hundred dollars, but it's one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So so how is how is because Prime doesn't seem
like he's holds his tongue, and how's he adapted to
this new generation of acth with truth?
Speaker 7 (12:08):
With truth?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
He if you come into his office and you look
on that film and you and you come in because
everybody comes in negotiating at first. See if we got time, Yeah,
got a minute. Everybody comes in negotiating. That's wrong, Dean said,
hold on, mom, dad, agent, aunt, uncle, whoever, that person,
(12:32):
that person of authority is.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Hold on, hold on, Let's talk about playing.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Let me tell you where I see your kid at,
and then you can decide what your kid worth after that.
So this is where we see your kid at. This
is what we seen your kid do. So you said
two hundred what like you said, Kurt, two hundred dollars? See,
because everybody has a big opinion. Everybody ain't David Mala
(13:04):
mala getto.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
Everybody, ain't David.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
David knows who his client is and what he can
possibly get you. Going off of some high school coach
that charitished your kid and threw him one hundred and
fifty passes and he caught sixty of them for one
thousand and fifteen hundred yards. Where now he's on the
level where everybody's equal.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
They don't see him that way.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Can you imagine being a coach now, not only do
you have to deal with what you used to have
to deal with, now you got you got Jimmy Jack
from the sporting goods store and Dothan, Alabama representing your kid.
And you got him in there with the kid and
the mom and the dad and the grandpa. And then
(13:48):
you're having to go and then you have like kids
that come in with legit agents.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Can you just just the scope.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Of what you're dealing with when it comes to just negotiation.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Used to kid, we're begging to come to your pro.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Now you're like we have to set God what you do?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
You set your board? Just like will mclayden do you
set your board? But see whereas they hoping to draft,
they're hoping to sign, they don't skip the draft. It
ain't no such things recruited. It's like, this is what
our money says. Do we see this kid that dis
range this range, this range? You know, even with the
(14:27):
signing of like remember when when when uh, you know,
you signed for your for your.
Speaker 7 (14:35):
Yeah, and how big all of that was. That's not
the big thing now for the HBCUs.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's black college for you know. I'm just trying to
for black colleges.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
And those of that equal.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Ill, this is what we wait on now, Georgia, promise
you that last scholarship at two hundred thousand dollars. But
a dude called in from Texas needing five hundred and
I'll come to you. So two hundred thousand went away. Sorry,
gave the scholarship away. Don't nobody else want me? Hey,
(15:13):
Floryda and m y'all got a spot.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, glad to have you. I had to kick some
other kid out. Glad to have your baby. So they
leave their rosters open to the very last minute certain spots.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
They leave enough spots so when one of them kids
drop out of that power five.
Speaker 7 (15:30):
They may can get it. For Get that kid for
a year or two.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
They're saying, that's making it kind of easier for the
NFL to scout, because the colleges are doing their scouting
for them. All these oh yeah, diamonds in the rough
at Florida and M Yeah, they're getting grabbed by Alabama now. Yeah,
so they're really just focused on the power four.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So if you ain't elite, if you ain't elite at
the Black colleges, if you are not elite, enjoy yourself,
enjoy enjoy college.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
All right, let's take our first break. When we come back,
more talk with Nate. I like, I like when Jesse's
out every once in a while.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on one eight. I mean, I
don't know. I'm good if I'm good as George Pickings,
but hey, I'm okay.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Speaking of Yeah, maybe we'll talk about that dude when
we come back.
Speaker 7 (16:18):
But I would like to.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It's there's been a uh, there's been a a contract.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Uh since we last met that made that.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
You know, Chris may.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Tell us a little bit about the market. We'll let
Chris chime in.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, come back eight more years, hey, or the boys,
We'll be right back.
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big contract.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Big on paper, Chris, break it down.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Break it down for break it Down.
Speaker 11 (19:18):
It was a four year extension, so he actually they
actually have him for six more years.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
And when does the big money start.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know they gave him a big signing bonus, but
his the two years is when his money start really
kicking in right, Chris.
Speaker 11 (19:35):
Yeah, so his big money doesn't start until twenty twenty eight. Yes,
so if you take all the money, put it together,
and divide it by six, it's actually like thirty two
a year, which is kind of the going rate.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Yeah. So as soon as I heard that, I was
on the roll right in here, and so.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm like, why don't they just be honest and say,
this kid signed a six year contract for he two
that's already.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Down four more better, better paper, and.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
But if I'm the NFL, I'm stopping that. Well, maybe
you shouldn't, maybe because the teams be like, man, we
got these kids believing they finna get it, you know
what I like?
Speaker 11 (20:16):
For instance, his cap number next year is only ten
point three, yes, so his his actual base salary's only
one point two million, wow, And his his signing bonus
was eight point eight So.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, a bunch of guaranteed money one hundred and twenty
I think guarantee.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Right, So that that's kind of we're looking in that
ballpark right through a contract with Pickings right thirty two
to thirty five, and if negotiations go anywhere like they
have with the Kicker he's going to ask for forty
five a year and then back it down. But do
either one of you think, just knowing the history with
(20:56):
the agent, there's there's history there, right, there's a very
high water level under that bridge, right, and just knowing.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Things you've heard, do either.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
One of you think he is going to play on
the franchise tag or do you think he's not going
to step foot into training camp until he gets a deal.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I don't think he'll do any offseason workouts. I don't
even think he'n go to training camp right when it gets.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Down, cowboys really want him in training camp. After the
last experience me that that in training camp thing, it
can hurt.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
You, right, it can hurt you if he doesn't have
a deal.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Yeah a hold end, Yeah, a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Hold end can hurt you. You sign that contract and
hold in. Now I find somebody say he's hurt. You
say he's fine, but I can find him out to
say he's right. So now you've got to pay him
and he's just sitting there, so you're tagging him, right.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, then he signed it, right, do you just.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Either go get the deal done because I don't want
to go through this again. And I don't think they
do either. I think if I was them, I would
be like, look, that was bad.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
It's bad. Pr it was bad. The outcome was not great.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Now it all worked out in the end, right, everything,
But it could have gone really south, and really it
could have gone. It probably should have gone a lot
worse than what it did. Do you just say, hey,
we either want him or we don't. Let's sign him,
or just let's move on, Let's don't do this whole
song and dance, and hey, we're gonna franchise him, and
(22:38):
then he's not gonna sign it.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
We're not gonna play.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Like what do you what would you do at this point?
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Well, you would think they would. It seems like these
negotiations that the player always winds up getting what he
wants anyway, so you would hope that. But it gets
to the point like cowboys may pay him ced Limb
money or whatever. They shouldn't, but they they may. But
you know, picking this guy, he's maybe asking for forty
you know, and you can't pay him more than you're
(23:06):
gonna pay get up in Minnesota or Incinnati, and you know, you.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Know, I'm agreeing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm agreeing with you, Kurt, because I just believe this
right here, but I believe you one hundred percent on
That's how I felt from day one after he came
in and started to perform, how he was. You had
to make a decision, you know, and I know things
change over time.
Speaker 7 (23:31):
Do you want and want this kid? If you didn't
really want this.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Kid, hit him, hit him with yeah, hit him with
something respectable, you.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Know, but this is what.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I always say, And I'm saying respectable, hit him with
CD money, that's respectable. And if he say no, okay,
now you know where you're at. But if you don't
hit him with nothing but a tag and it's an
exclusive tag, that's three or four million dollars up under
the non exclusive tag, what does.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
That say to him?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Right? You're gonna piss him off, You piss the agent all.
So like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Let's seny what you want him? Get him? And you know,
people say, well, what is he worth? Okay?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And I know things go up depending on your age. Okay,
we got him as a third round for a third
round pick. Everybody was elated. Everybody laughing, everybody, Oh we
got pissed bird.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Guess what, y'all? We just got what.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Most people think a forty two million dollar deal with
a first and at least a second or third is
when a team is looking at this thing. Come draft day,
Hey mister Jones, we'll give you a first and a
third because we got to pay this kid at least
thirty five million plus a year.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Are you willing to do it? And I'm with you
if you don't want this kid or not.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
You get to me.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
If you get thro through the drafts and you don't
have a deal and you're still planning on tagging him,
I think it's you're in trouble, Like I don't think
this guy is gonna play on the tag, and then
you got a big hole at number two. Unless you
think Ryan Floorinoy is gonna step in and be George Pickens,
(25:20):
which he's not. Then you're going in with a lesser offense,
which if it's fine, If that's what you want to do,
go do it. But don't don't get let this thing
get to camp. You get through the draft, you want
to see what somebody will give you. Great you get
into May June, do either make a deal or just
(25:42):
be like, we are planning on not riding with this guy.
Speaker 12 (25:45):
This year.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
If you're going into the draft in the same position
where there's he hadn't signed. There's really not been any
negotiations that we know of. Does wide receiver become a
bigger priority in the draft.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It doesn't because you want I don't think it's a
guy that's gonna demand that early respect of him. So
now that pick at twenty, we talked about, if it's
any tackle that can really play, not a suspect tackle,
if he's suspected to keep right on riding to the
(26:17):
next most valuable player. But if he can, if he
can play, you get that tackle. I don't care if
he a right tackle, left tackle, or undertackle, overtackle.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
You get to tackle. Don't get the receiver.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Get the tackle, because they are not I repeat, George,
they're not George. They come on, now, let's don't play
this league is of what's known. Because this other guy
that we can't mention his name, that we talked about,
that we could have had.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Now they're talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They circling background talking about coming at this kid again.
Nah man, Nah, I would have go with the known,
is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I would love
to see him on the team. I think him and
CD especially give him another year with Dak this offense,
shore up that offensive line a little bit. I think
they could be the best wide receiver duo.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
In the league.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
For sure.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
They would it last year.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Right, But if you if you choose to not go
that route, fine, that's fine too.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
If you don't want to spend that kind of money.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
You don't want to spend that money, great, let's save it.
Let's put it somewhere else. But make the decision.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
This year.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
We're doing things different, right, We've seen things being a
little different. Unless you ask Jesse, he's still convinced it's
the same old, same old. But let's do it different. Like,
if you want the guy, it's like a baseball card.
What's his value? Doesn't matter what his value is. What
do you what are you willing to pay for that card?
If you're willing to overpay for it, that's the value.
(27:51):
If you don't want it and then you're underpaying, that's
the value. The value is what you pay. Yes, let's
let's make our minds up before we go, before we
get on the plane to go down there.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
Either do it now or just don't do it. So
that's my.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Whole opinion on that thing.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I don't have a lot of opinions on the show,
but that was one of them.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
It's a sound, it's a sound.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But the thing that the thing is two things. One
thing that I like that Missus Jones said is no
more red shirts. No more getting guys with a second
and third round pick, getting a guy pulling him back
into the first round. They shouldn't have not even been
drafted to the second day. And no more Okay, he
(28:41):
went through his whole career injured. No more of those guys.
That's that's a great thing. It's not to say that
a guy can't come here and get injured, but I
would like to at least have a hell c yes
of no injury.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
And the best player possible is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
If you don't have an outstanding need, well, we don't
have an outstanding need. So the best player possible is
the greatest thing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
All right, let's take our last break when we come to.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I don't know about that one. What's that we don't
have any outstanding needs?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
No, no, no, we don't have like we just need we
gotta have a left tackle. We gotta have oh man
left Oh, we gotta have a left tackle. Well, we
need a uh need a lot, we need a line
you have.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
You have so many outstanding needs, not one outstand We.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Can take Grandma bad. I understand you edit, you have
other words.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
There's a lot of good options.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Let's take our last break. When we come back, uh
more football. We don't try to talk about things that
we might not be able to talk about, but.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
We're word them in a way that we think, yeah, yeah,
we talked about this kid earlier in the year, So
you go back and talk.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, we'll talk to Chris and the break and see
what we can get away with. You did to see
what that is next, and heng go the boys.
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Speaker 6 (32:34):
They send you gas discounts all the time, and Lord
knows we need those.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Man I drove in Texas Diesel is almost five dollars
over five dollars a gallon diesel.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yes, these was more than where from four seventy to
five fifteen, five twenty?
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Jeez?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Is it cheaper out west spots spots?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
But the gas out west these al out is a
better grade because of the changes in elevation. A lot,
a lot of the people call carry a better top
tier gas.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Is your truck diesel?
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Yeah it is, so you have diesel in regular, but
I mean in your other vehicle.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I know I'm diesel with my wife. Is that premium gas?
So we playing premium prices?
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Because not good?
Speaker 6 (33:22):
All right?
Speaker 4 (33:22):
We were talking earlier before the show started.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
We're trying to figure out a.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Way that we could talk about this.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
But it's been reported, so we'll just quote the source
that reported it. And then it's some news came out
when the Cowboys were in the mix for the Max
Crosby deal with the Ravens went through. Everybody knows the
deal fell through because of a failed physical or some
issues with the physical.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
And then I think a couple of days ago, it
came out that what the Cowboys actually offered, right.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, ESPN did a big report on it, and the
Cowboys seemingly were more serious than maybe we thought their
initial offering, according to ESPN was a second there's second
first round pick, so twentieth overall. In Osa eventually went
to the forty nine ers. They came back and said
they would offer them the hire of the pick, the
twelfth overall with a third rounder, which at the time
(34:13):
would have been next year, probably have a third. Ultimately,
their finer offer was the number twelve overall and a
second round pick like next year. Right, wow, and they
went with whatever ball. I don't even remember what Baltimore
offered him, but yeah, they Cowboys made a pretty serious
run there.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I'm with Nate, and I think my mentality over the
last probably five years on this has changed every draft pick,
even if it's a generational guy or you know, you
know it's you always have that chance of let just
just say Kyle Pitts for instance, Right, he was a
(34:53):
generational tight end. Yea good but not worth a top
five or ten pick.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Right, what did he go at? He went top five?
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I think, yeah, so that you're always rolling the dice
when you've got a known commodity, even if they're a
little long in the tooth and you only get maybe
a couple of years you know what you're getting, like,
you know you're getting that. And to me, spend, spend
draft capital, spend the unknown to get the known as
what is what I say?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
So I'd have been down for all those deals.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
I mean first second, and I mean you wanted to
move on from Osa's contract anyway, throw him in there.
I mean, you got a third for him if you
really want. This goes back to if you really want
the guy, go get the guy right and you.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Know football, right, That's that's the most hurting this thing
when you're doing the draft picks. And like I said,
when I go watch these kids, I'm looking at them
and you can tell kids that love.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Like I looking at one lineman.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
He just don't have the athletic ability, but he's one
of the best techniquiess is he's always given that effort
of you saying, I wish this guy was in this guy,
this guy athletic ability was in this guy with all
his heart and all this technique.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
You know, wish Rudy was in Darnell Jefferson's body.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
So I'm saying to myself, I left them glad out glad.
I went there and said, well, I'm sure glad I ain't.
No coach got to get up watch this film. I
left us saying, Lord Jesus, I'm not because I'm not
finished debate you on whether you should be in your
knees or not and why you can't ben your knee?
Speaker 6 (36:36):
Can you tell when you?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
And I would always do this when we picked the
draft picks up with the Cowboys. When they get on
the bus, you get to spend a little bit of
time with them, you know, from the airport to here,
and I could just get a feel if a dude
love football, like if he really was a football guy,
or if he was just like an athlete that was
(36:59):
playing football. With just spending fifteen minutes with him, really
I could, like I felt like I could. And then
that would always make me question, like, so.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
You're watching them extra close now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, but it always makes me wonder like, Okay, what
did they what did the guys that brought them in
for the thirty visits and all?
Speaker 6 (37:18):
What did they see that I'm not seeing?
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Because I don't know if this dude loves football, athletic ability.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
You're on that Moseley Smith bus or something.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
Now I wasn't ONSI, but I was on I was
on one of the.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Might have been that guy, and I just got the
feeling like you're in love with the idea of playing football.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
But I don't know if when coaches.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Make the mistake of saying I got a relationship with somebody,
you know that's like me and a beautiful girl at
the club. You think you got a relationship. Now she
finna get She's finna get what she finna get you.
You finna get left at altar. That's just the bottom line.
It's so simple now.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You invite a kid in and they say, well, my
mom and daddy want to come.
Speaker 7 (38:07):
That used to be a great thing twenty years ago.
That used to oh you want your mom? Oh cool mom,
Dad spell them when you could talk to the dad.
Hey man, what you think that.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Dad trying to? You know, hey, hey, I'm backing you, coach.
I'm in line with your things.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
Now. You know you you getting ready to get on
the bus go to a bowl game.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You bring it in kids, You got to bring it
the extra bus to bring the family. These people ain't
loving football. They love them with football can do for
them and so and you're never going to ignore talent.
You're never You're never gonna ignore especially exceptional talent. You're
gonna Alabama say nah, we thwish after a year, but
(38:51):
Texas saying nah, you know got it. Guy said, man, hey, coach,
I coached this kid.
Speaker 7 (38:56):
All you gotta do is do this. Go to Texas covid.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Man, don't you ever call me again talking about because
now now he's over North Texas and now the kid
in the family realizing, hey man, you better do the
right thing. You know, now this kid go blow up
at University of North Texas because he went from one
point five mil.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
To seven fifty to one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
You know, then if you go do the one hundred
and fifty, right, you go back up to three minutes. Yeah,
you suddenly fall back in love with football.
Speaker 12 (39:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, So I just tell people like this, it's about
the money and it's.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
About but if you love football. You know, I listened to.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
The the network, NFL network, radio and TV. I religiously
listen to it because it's football people talking. And this
kid that recently signed with the Seahawks. You couldn't get
no one nowhere to say anything of he shouldn't have
(40:10):
got this contract. No, I mean nothing nothing thing.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
You know. I even heard one.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Guy say, hold, I think he probably did wrong with
signed the extension.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
He should have told me wanted his money now, right,
that's not the worship. But that's the kid.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
From long distance that we know love football long distance.
We don't know, you know, heck Man Harrison know the kid.
And I've always taught that before he signed, he talked
highly of him, highly of him. But after he signed,
all he wanted to talk about was what George was
gonna getting.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
I was trying to say, heck, oh your horses.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
You're talking about two different kids, two different organizations with
two different histories.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
See, uh yeah, the Seahawks got way out in front
of that. Yeah, yes, that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
And and and he wasn't stove anywhere, you know, Like
remember I just a year ago we laughed.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Well we got over old Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We got Now we're saying you got even shining with opinion.
I don't want him signed now go.
Speaker 14 (41:19):
Yeah, I mean it's easy, but I mean it's easy
for me as a fan. I'm like, don't do this
to me again, right right?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
And you know what, like he wasn't the word on
the street was he wasn't the easiest person to deal
with in Pittsburgh. Let me ask you a question, is
it these players or is it Pittsburgh?
Speaker 7 (41:41):
Right right?
Speaker 4 (41:42):
Because a lot of them, a lot of them have
issues in Pittsburgh like we've never really had. We've had
a couple of dudes that you know, custom.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
Boasts some meetings here and this and that.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Right, but a lot of But see, this is the
funny thing that a lot of teams have played like
that the great you know.
Speaker 7 (42:03):
But what Trump saw is talent.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
The more you can put up with.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
We like even here t O, right, Daz. But you
know what happens when you oh, that's just that's just
t O. That's just Deaz. You know, heat to the
analytic ability one, and then it's like, you know, you
get the salt and pepper shake over. Here's the cowboys
over here, such and such. But hey, we gotta go
(42:31):
with this for the cowboys.
Speaker 7 (42:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
So back to the original thing with the Crosby deal,
there's only two, maybe three edge rushers in this league
that I would give up first round collateral to bring
them in, right?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
What would what?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
What would your what would your what would both.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
Of you Max? Max?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
No pun intended offer be for like a top here
edge rusher, if you were going to trade for a guy,
would you give.
Speaker 7 (43:03):
You could have had the twelve?
Speaker 2 (43:05):
I mean if you could have had the twenty, you know,
the twentieth, you could have had the twentieth, You could
have had OSA, and I would have gave you a
second or third.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
I'd have done that.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I wouldn't give up both first, but I would definitely
I would give up the twelve.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
It was would you do a twelve, A three and
OSA or yeah?
Speaker 7 (43:24):
That's the perfect for me?
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Say it again, twelve, three and OSA?
Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, I would probably hope that three would be
next year. But you know the thing.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
Is that would fix a whole lot of stuff. How
how how desperate are you?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
How I'm always I'm talking about I'm talking about the
guy that want to get rid of them? Right See,
I think the Raiders can't go wrong if they keep him.
Speaker 7 (43:53):
I think they can't. You got a guy that love
the sports.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
He's got the players around him. Now, yeah, he had
a better.
Speaker 7 (43:59):
Move, so he he loved the sport. He want to win,
so you can't go wrong with having a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
I've always erred, you know, I always wanted to go
with the people that's positive about your program and love
the sport.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
But you know how bad does to me.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
To me, it's it's as bad.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
Okay, because guess what you get a guy like that? Well,
you get a guy like that in here all of
a sudden. Guess what, Your cornerbacks play a little bit better.
Your safeties don't don't have to cover for as long.
Your linebacker you still gotta fix.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
But like a lot.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
When that when that window goes from four in five
seconds that you have to pass.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
To two point three to three.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
That that makes a a mediocre secondary pretty damn good
with one guy.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
And that's what we'll be giving up if we don't
sign George. Right now, Dak can drop back and throw
that thing in two point five seconds because he got
end of the majority of the time. You know he
gonna hit on Now George leave and they double CD
and all of a sudden, we got the guys.
Speaker 6 (45:14):
These guys can't work free.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Not that three point oh yeah, Dak just got sudden,
does you know, don't you call Dak name, do not
not on this show, not again again.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Oh hi, fellas who are out of time? Kurt will
save the uh, the rest of your bullets.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
It was great man, it's good stuff.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
It was great insight Natam, Yeah, good stuff about Colorado
and Dion and the and the.
Speaker 6 (45:42):
New the new wave of athlete. Very insightful. So good stuff. Jesse.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
We'll see you next week, Chris, thanks for keeping us
on the air. No cookies for the big boy be back. Oh,
don't do that next week, Hey Pa, we out.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
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