Minnesota: Land of 10,000 Frauds - In the Tank Podcast #521

"Woke" and its pushers continues to be exposed for the ugliness, fraud and tyranny their policies unleash on the rest of us, all over the world. We'll cover how the architect of Jaguar’s disastrous rebrand has finally been canned, and Rep. Aftyn Behn’s loss to Matt Van Epps in Tennessee reveals her and her party as very sore losers indeed.

We'll also take a look at the years of widespread fraud inside Minnesota’s social services system, and discuss how Governor Walz not only buried the problem but may be setting the stage for even more abuse through a new program.

And on UNHINGED: Multiple-time violent criminals are being released to attack people again, and other craziness.

The Heartland Institute's Linnea Lueken, Jim Lakely, and S.T. Karnick will talk about all of this and more on Episode #521 of the In The Tank Podcast.

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Episode Transcript

Linnea Lueken (00:34):
Alright. We are now live. Sorry that we were a
little bit of late, complicatedbusiness, but welcome to the
show, everyone. Welcome toDecember. Time really does fly
here.
Hey. Do you guys rememberJaguar? I think they sold cars.
I wonder how they're doing. Butwe are gonna find out how
they're doing on today's show.
Also, the results of TennesseeHouse District Seven's race came

(00:57):
in and went to the Republican,and the not at all unstable
Democrat candidate Afton Baindid not take her loss very
graciously. For our main topic,we'll be discussing fraud in the
land of 10,000 lakes and howgovernor Waltz is teeing up yet
another avenue for fraud andabuse. And for unhinged, we have
a little bit of a grab bag ofcrazy that I think you guys will

(01:19):
enjoy. We are going to talkabout all of this and more in
episode 521 of the In The Tankpodcast.

Donald Trump (02:01):
Somalians ripped off that state for billions of
dollars. Billions. Every year,billions of dollars, and they
contribute nothing. The welfareis like 88%. They contribute
nothing.
I don't want them in ourcountry, I'll be honest with

(02:22):
you. Okay? Somebody would say,oh, that's not politically
correct. I don't care. I don'twant them in our country.
Their country is no good for areason.

Linnea Lueken (02:31):
Thank you, president Trump. Welcome to the
In the Tank podcast. I am LyneaLuken, your host. We also have,
as always, Jim Lakeley, vicepresident and director of
communications at the HeartlandInstitute. Jim, how are you?

Jim Lakely (02:44):
I'm I'm doing great. Happy belated Thanksgiving to
everyone. We were not on lastweek because Thursday was
Thanksgiving. It is, a chilly 16degrees in the Northwest Suburbs
Of Chicago today, and I'm notusually one to complain too much
about winter. But this is lateJanuary, early February
temperatures, which is not veryfun.

(03:04):
If not for Christmas coming, Iwould be even grumpier than
usual, but very glad to be onthe show again.

Linnea Lueken (03:09):
Oh, it's a white Christmas if it if it holds,
Jim.

Jim Lakely (03:12):
That's true. It's not melting before Christmas.
I'll tell you that.

Linnea Lueken (03:17):
And we also have Sam Karnik, senior fellow at the
Heartland Institute. Sam, howare you?

Sam Karnick (03:23):
I'm okay, Lynne. Yeah. I I have a bit of a cold.
You know? So I I thought, well,I I need to do something about
this.
And and so I decided to look upsome folk remedies because, you
know, they're so much cheaperthan going to the doctor. So I I
you know, they basically tellyou, do a lot of stinky things.
You know? Like, eat onions andgarlic and ginger and

(03:47):
horseradish, and then hangonions and garlic around your,
where wherever you're at. So, soI did that.
And, you know, I I have theonions and garlic hanging here.
I didn't hang ginger and,horseradish because it it they
didn't seem to have much effect.It didn't make the house very
smelly. Although I did eat ahorseradish sandwich as was

(04:10):
highly recommended.Unfortunately, it hasn't worked.
I mean, the the cold is stillthere. I still feel, you know,
kind of under the weather. Andbut the one good thing about it
is at least we don't have smello vision yet because I wouldn't
even be able to be on the show.So Jeez,

Linnea Lueken (04:29):
Sam. Well, I like my mom's idea better. My mom
swears by a sniff of tequila toget rid of most cold systems or
symptoms. I don't know if itworks. I think it kinda does
work for the sore throat, butI'll I'll try it anyway.
I have a little

Sam Karnick (04:46):
bit of I'm gonna go right now and find out.

Linnea Lueken (04:48):
So Yeah. Yeah.

Jim Lakely (04:49):
That's I'll be back in about two hours. Okay.

Linnea Lueken (04:52):
Alright, you guys. But before we get started,
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(05:12):
Alright, you guys. So let's getright into it because we have a
lot to look at today, and we aregoing to go to unhinged first,
which is a little bit of a grabbag. Couple of things to look at
for this segment. The first is

Jim Lakely (05:34):
Sorry to cut you off. I made that I made that
drop. I'm gonna play it.

Linnea Lueken (05:37):
I forgot that we had the drop. Otherwise, I would
have given you space for it. I'msorry. I'm just thinking.

Jim Lakely (05:43):
That's all. Yeah.

Linnea Lueken (05:43):
Our first video here, you guys, is a disturbing
video of a man attacking astudent from NYU, if we have
that.

Speaker 5 (05:54):
Sexual abuse for his history of assault on women. He
was released from state prisonin September after serving two
years on a persistent sexualabuse conviction. Rizzo has 16
prior arrests. Court documentsrevealed that two years ago, he
groped a 33 year old woman'sbreast on Green Street, also
here in the village, and thenasked, oh, you want more? Rizzo

(06:17):
also has a prior murder chargefrom 1997.
The

Linnea Lueken (06:22):
Nice. So, yeah, we found out that the guy was
previously arrested 16 times forviolent attacks on women,
including once for homicide. AndI think every, like, random act
of violence that we've seen onthe news lately, especially in
the last couple months have beencommitted by multi time violent
offenders. So what's going onhere? It seems to be getting

(06:46):
worse, not better.
And also for the for the sake ofthe audience, would please give
us some grace on our, you know,our video call ups and stuff
today because Andy is on PTO,unfortunately, for us. So we are
we are handling it. Jim's doingit in the background while also
trying to answer my questions.So

Jim Lakely (07:07):
Do we wanna play actually, have a question for
you. Do we wanna Yeah. We haveanother video that kind of
relates to this. Did you wannacomment on this new NYU thing
first or go ahead and play thatone?

Linnea Lueken (07:15):
Yeah. Please play the next video as

Jim Lakely (07:16):
well. Okay.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
She was just walking very casually, and he came up
out of nowhere and,

Speaker 7 (07:25):
like, just clocks her in the face. Exactly five months
after two alleged attacks in the2700 block of North Clark
Street, the man suspected inthem now charged. Police say on
June 12, a 40 year old and 29year old woman had been randomly
attacked. Their assailant at thetime getting away. Video shows
the alleged suspect, WilliamLivingston, violently elbow one

(07:45):
of the unsuspecting victims asshe walks by.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Feel really bad for her too. We offered her some,
like, snacks and water, try tohelp calm her down, caught the
cops.

Speaker 7 (07:53):
Livingston's two new charges are aggravated battery
in a public place. It's one ofseveral crimes he was also
charged with when he wasarrested for allegedly attacking
Kathleen Miles of Lake Villa onAugust 19. She spoke with WGN
while recovering from a brokennose and multiple facial
fractures.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
There was no way to be prepared for this.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
Video obtained by WGN shows the suspect running up
from behind Miles, randomlypunching her in the face as she
was walking along WestWashington Street. She says she
was knocked out cold and doesn'tremember anything. The suspect
allegedly watching as she was onthe ground bleeding. State
senator Willie Preston, happenedto be in the area, taking off
his shirt to try and stop thebleeding before an ambulance

(08:34):
crew arrived to help.

Speaker 8 (08:36):
All I can think of is it takes so much anger to hit
somebody with so much force.

Speaker 7 (08:43):
Livingston's record shows he's been arrested in
Chicago 26 times dating back to2012, but continues to be
released. Most cases, a similarstory of random attacks on
women. Another victim we spokewith in 2022 was one of four
people police accused Livingstonof attacking within a matter of
minutes.

Speaker 9 (09:00):
So a hand in my pocket, and I just, like, turned
my head like that. And there's aman just, like, directly in
front of me, and he just, like,punched me in the face.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
A similar hope from both victims and concerned
citizens that something willchange before anyone else gets
hurt.

Linnea Lueken (09:16):
Being arrested multiple, multiple times for
doing this, and they're gettinglet back into the public. I
mean, at some point, they'regonna kill somebody. Right?

Jim Lakely (09:26):
Well, yeah. I mean, the look. This is a result of
you know? And it's what with thethe guy who killed Arena in in
Charlotte on the train, He wasarrested. What there's so many
of these incidents.
You kind of mismatch the numberof times the perpetrator, the

(09:47):
assailant, has been arrestedwith the actual crime and the
victim almost always on women. Ithink he was arrested, I think,
30 times. Maybe he was 29 times.There was another assault that
we don't have in this rundown. Ibelieve that person another high
profile assault.
That person was arrested, Ithink, 70 times. And, look, this

(10:09):
is a result of policies put intoplace by deranged leftist
Democrats who run our cities.And the reason they are still in
place, frankly, is because therest of us have maybe not been
strong enough in resisting andpushing back at this absolute
nonsense. We have allowed thisfalse narrative, and it all

(10:31):
started, you know, with thiswhole thing, defund the police.
We're gonna be talking about badloser Bain, you know, who almost
who came a lot closer than sheshould have to winning a house
seat in Red state Tennessee and,you know, the red counties
around Nashville, almost gotelected to congress.
Lost by eight points, but that'sway closer than it should have

(10:52):
been. She also wanted to defundthe police, and she actually
defended, you know, hey. Hey.All my my peeps out there, she
said on social media, who wannaburn down you know, happy hope
hope you have fun burning down apolice station. You gotta
remember where all this started.
This all started with with acomplete myth. This and it was
the rise of the Black LivesMatter movement. The complete
myth of hands up, don't shoot.Michael Brown in, Ferguson,

(11:16):
Missouri. Hands up, don't shootnever happened.
That had nothing to do with whyhe was shot. He never said that.
He never put his hands up. Heassaulted a police officer and
tried to grab his firearm. Thatwill get your ass shot.
Not no matter what where youare, what color you are, or, you
know, anything. That will getyour ass blown away by the
police officer and rightly so.George Floyd died of a drug

(11:40):
overdose. The autopsy says so.He was detained.
He was he was deranged in in inthe in the throes of fentanyl
and was detained on the groundin a way that maybe contributed
to his death, but it was atechnique approved by the
Minneapolis police department,and Derek Chauvin was actually
following police procedure. Heand everybody who was just
around him all went to jail, andnobody else was held

(12:02):
accountable. It is from thosesorts and then streets went on
fire and, like, you know, itbecame popular to replace
policing with social work. Or Iwanna play just the very end of
this video. I know it was kindof long already because this is
part of the real sickness inthis country.
Listen to these two women quotedon this story in WGN in Chicago

(12:25):
and what they say at theirlaying out all of these
assaults, random assaults onwomen in the streets in public.
You can't even walk around thestreets of Chicago. You have to
have your head on a swivel andmaybe, you know, know some kung
fu to fight off random attacks.But listen to the end of this.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Sense that something will change before anyone else
gets hurt.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
I really hope he does get the help he needs.

Speaker 8 (12:45):
Whether it's mental health or the justice system or
something, I feel he's beenfailed. And as a result, we're
all we've all been failed.

Jim Lakely (12:54):
False. This person doesn't need help. He needs to
rot at the for the rest of hislife in prison. He hasn't been
failed. You two have beenfailed.
Our society has been failed by asystem and, frankly, leftist
Democrat politicians who areletting criminals back on the
street because they care moreabout the criminal than they do

(13:14):
you, period. That's the only wayto interpret this. If they cared
more about innocent people beingkilled, assaulted, robbed, all
these then people would be injail. And and the fact of the
matter, study after study showsa very small percentage actually
of of people in society committhese sorts of crimes, and they

(13:34):
do it over and over again.That's why almost in every
single case, each of theseperpetrators have been arrested
at least two dozen times.
And a very small number of ofpercentage of people do these do
these crimes. You lock up justthose, and your crime rate would
go way down. And our cities, ourdemocratic party, the leftists
who run these cities areunwilling to do even that. And
so they just they unleash themupon society because they care

(13:57):
more, frankly, about thosecriminals than they do about
Lanea or or myself or Sam oranybody else.

Linnea Lueken (14:03):
Yeah. There's no there's no therapy that's gonna
sorry. I I am also losing myvoice. But there's no therapy
that's gonna convince a guy whodoes something like this to
women randomly on the streetthat it's the wrong thing to do
if all the people around him andstuff haven't been able to
convince him so far. Like,sitting on a couch is not gonna
help.

(14:24):
It's

Sam Karnick (14:25):
Oh, I'm sorry.

Linnea Lueken (14:26):
Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, no. Go ahead.

Sam Karnick (14:28):
People often claim that the that putting people in
prison does not, prevent, crime.That's wrong. If they're in
prison, they're not gonna becommitting those crimes out
there. They're not gonna bepunching women out on the street
when they're in prison. So thatis why one big reason why you do
this.
It's not to, not just to send amessage to other, potential

(14:52):
criminals, and maybe it isn'teven at all for that. It's just
for justice and then also toensure that that person will not
be able to do this at least forsome certain period of time. I
think that what we what we havehere is a situation that
actually precedes and predatesthe, the George Floyd incident

(15:14):
and and, all of the all of thedefund the police. What really
happened is that beginning in,like, around the nineteen
eighties and especially thenineteen nineties, governments
all across the country pushedback very strongly against self
defense. Now they didn't itwasn't uniformly against self

(15:36):
defense, but they pushed backvery strongly.
And so what you have is is ifyou I think people are fairly
afraid to defend themselves.They don't wanna end up in one
of these horrible prisons thatwe have where where it's it's
just an absolutely beastlyconditions. They don't wanna end
up in there, and there's a goodchance that you'll end up in

(15:56):
there, and the person who didthe incident won't. This
actually does happen in in insociety these days. So we really
need to resume our respect,restore respect for self
defense.
We really need to assume thatunless you can prove unless the

(16:19):
prosecutors can prove that aperson had mens rea, that they
had intent to harm someone thatwas not motivated by by their
actions in the moment by anotherperson's actions in the moment,
then you cannot prosecute them.You shouldn't even be able to
prosecute them, let aloneconvict them. So this is one

(16:40):
thing that we really need to getour our, selves sorted on is

Linnea Lueken (16:49):
Oops. You took Sam out. Sorry, Sam. Sorry.
Yeah.
I mean, it's it's it's prettybad because what you've done is
you've made it unsafe for peoplewho are not committing crimes.
You know? And refusing to locksomeone up for committing a
crime is just like punishingeverybody else because you get

(17:11):
to deal with somebody setting aperson, a random stranger on
fire on a in a train when theywouldn't have they shouldn't
have had to deal with that inthe first place. That person
should have never been on thestreet, especially if you are
I'm sorry. I keep glancing tothe side here, you guys, because
I'm we're trying to run thisthing.

(17:32):
But yeah. No. But especially ifyou are a repeat offender like
this. I mean, 70 times, even the16 times person, you arrest
someone the first time forattacking someone on the
streets. They should be lockedup forever.
But, like, the third time, thefifth time, the seventh time, at

(17:53):
what point does this become, youknow, something where I don't
know. I somebody's gotta be heldaccountable in addition at this
point to the actual criminalbecause it's it's worse than
negligent to be having theseguys running around on the
streets like this.

Sam Karnick (18:10):
Yeah. It should it should happen on the first time
because the first time isprobably not the first time they
did it.

Jim Lakely (18:17):
The Sam remembers, you know, because we were both
in public policy at this time inthe nineteen nineties, you know,
the three strikes, the streetthree strikes law. We you could
find you you can find videos ofJoe Biden, you know, one of the
most prominent Democrats of thenineteen nineties going on and
on and on about crime in ourcities and three strikes, you're

(18:38):
out. I mean, he he's the one whowho who wrote the, took credit
for writing the drug, the drugbill that, you know, made
criminalized crack more thanthan powder cocaine and that
whole stupid controversy. Youknow? But there was a time when
Democrats were tough on crimethat they supported three
strikes in your outlaws, that ifyou, committed your if you
commit your third felony, you'regoing to jail for the rest of

(19:01):
your life.
You have proven after threefelonies that you should be
removed from society. You cannotlive with the rest of us who
wanna live our lives in safetyand and peace. Free felonies,
you're done. The thoseimmediately started to get
undermined by judges, forinstance. They would they would,

(19:21):
you know, they would say, well,this guy, you know, this is his
fifth arrest, but we're gonnamake this this felony a
misdemeanor so that he doesn'tget put in jail for the rest of
his life.
And so it was beginning to beundermined right away. And now
you can't find any politician,any democrat, certainly, who
would ever advocate for a threestrikes and you're outlaw. But
and and Sam if Sam had his way,it'd be one strike and you're

(19:43):
out, and and that's it. But, youknow, the the the purpose the
purpose of our jails and thecriminal justice system is to
protect the innocent and toprotect the rest of us from
people who, if let out, proventime and again, will continue to
commit crimes. And often, aswe've seen, they get it
escalates in its violence andseriousness the more times they

(20:07):
are let out of jail.
There needs to be consequencesfor this. But, Lynea, I know you
you've seen a lot of this. Youknow, you you troll on you know,
you scroll on x just like me. Iknow. But there's been a lot of
talk, serious talk, and and Ithink it's time to have that
kind of a talk.
It's a date it's it's it'ssomething has to be done very
carefully, I think. But thereshould be some consequences when

(20:29):
judges completely throw outcommon sense, the the meaning of
statutes, and the purpose of thejustice system and continually
release violent criminals backon the streets. A lot of the
and, like, again, another greatidea from the left and the
Democrats, the whole no cashbail system. You know? Twenty

(20:49):
years ago, Joe Biden was thethrow in jail everybody who has
a who has a rolled up joint inthe in the front pocket of his
jeans.
And now we have Democrats allover the country going no cash
bail for violent offenders. Andwe just elected we didn't, But
the people of New York justselected such a maniac as mayor
of New York City. So, you know,something needs to be done.

(21:12):
There needs to beaccountability. I don't
understand why Republicans couldbe so unpopular right now when
all they really need to do isrun on crime.
It it's worked in the past, andit's need it needs to be done.
We need public policy that keepsthese, these monsters locked up.

Linnea Lueken (21:28):
Yeah. Well, besides the fact that Jim almost
slipped up and accused me oftrolling on Twitter, which I
would never I would never troll.

Jim Lakely (21:39):
No. You don't do that.

Linnea Lueken (21:42):
But the yeah. No. You're absolutely right. I think
I think it does we do need tofind some kind of a solution to
this. Maybe the HeartlandInstitute, we can we can put our
our think tank heads togetherand come up with a way to hold
some of these judges responsiblewithout trampling on our our
system or anything, too badly.

Jim Lakely (22:02):
Well, speaking of crime, I mean, I maybe find it
put in the show notes, but wedid do a study, in the in the
wake of black black lives matterduring the whole black lives
matter, craze that about policeshootings and race. I'm gonna
have to find that, but shocker,the data did not actually back
up the narrative of black livesmatter.

Sam Karnick (22:25):
Going back to, going back to the, idea about
the, three strikes and you'reout, that that really is is very
related to what Linea saidearlier, which is that once
you've proven that you cannot berepaired, that you cannot live
in society, only crazy people orvery sinister and evil people

(22:52):
would put you back into society.The question we we need to ask
ourselves is, which is it? Is itboth? Is it one or the other? I
think it's both, but mostlysinister.

Linnea Lueken (23:05):
Yeah. The term that I used before the before
the show started when I saw thereaction of those women to, you
know, what should happen totheir, you know, attackers. And
they're like, I hope they getthe help they need. That's a
very nice thing to say. But Ithink part of this, at least
from their perspective, isn't,like, being sinister that they
might want to give them anotherchance.

(23:26):
I think it's genuine naivete.Right? I I think it's it's
misplaced maternal instinct orsomething. You're right.

Sam Karnick (23:36):
As a policy matter, it's sinister and evil in my
view. But oh, so so are yousaying basically, okay. These
peep these women are somewhatdisturbed to have that kind of

Linnea Lueken (23:48):
point view. Downtown Chicago. I don't know
what no. But, no. I'm not sayingthat they're disturbed
necessarily, but I'm I'm justsaying that, you know, it's it's
misplaced empathy.
You know? They should they'rethe ones who are the victims.
He's not a victim. He wasn't hewasn't the one who was failed.
They were failed as Jim said.

(24:09):
So yeah. But I didn't wannaspend too long dwelling on this
one, you guys. I had a coupleother things I want to touch on
in the segment, but we're gonnaskip them because I want to get
to our main topics here today.Remember Jaguar? Jaguar really
stepped in it trying to be verytrendy and whittle down their

(24:30):
customer base, trying to be likea boutique LA Miami crowd type
of company rather than the highend heritage luxury company they
used to be.
AutoCar reports that Jaguar LandRover has canned the guy who is
responsible for the recentunpopular redesigns and
rebranding. JLR has axed designboss Jerry McGovern. Sources

(24:53):
inside the firm have toldAutocar and Autocar India.
Autocar India's source suggestedgovernment McGovern was escorted
out of the office, although theexact details as to why are not
yet known. When approached, aspokesperson for JLR replied, no
comment.
It brings an end to a twenty onecareer year career at JLR from

(25:13):
McGovern that has been filledwith highlights, Autocar says.
And I just wanted to read thisbecause Autocar is kind of
simping from McGovern for somereason. They said the the
Coventry born designer isresponsible for the modern day
reinvention of the Defender,which I guess some people like.
I don't like it. Helping to keepthe four car Range Rover lineup

(25:34):
ever popular and reinventingJaguar for its transition into
an electric only carmaker, whichincludes creating the highly
controversial type double oughtconcept.
He was also key in JLR's 2021reimagine strategy. In the
immortal words, you guys, ofJeremy Clarks Jeremy Clarkson.

(25:56):
Oh, no. Anyway, it's actuallynot clear if his disaster of a
rebrand idea was like what gothim fired here. They're not
saying anything about it.
Apparently, and I as I was doingsome digging on this, he's
pretty famous for being, like, atotal jerk to work with, you
know, very high in his ownsupply. And rumors are floating

(26:17):
in certain circles in, like, carforums and stuff that there was
some office indiscretioninvolved in his firing. So I
don't know. But I wanted to Iwanted to hear what your your
thoughts were on this one. Isthis well deserved if he was
being canned for his designideas?

(26:37):
Let's call them. I don't reallyknow. I think it's terrible. But

Sam Karnick (26:41):
He certainly deserved to be canned for the
the the absolute ruining of a ofa great brand. Even though
Jaguar has never really actuallyoperated very well, they they're
lovely cars. So it's like, well,let's let's do the let's get rid
of the one thing that peoplelike about Jaguars, and then

(27:01):
everybody will want them. I Iit's it was a complete insanity
on his part. And it it and Ithink it is kind of emblematic
of this whole idea of givingpeople a million chances.
Yeah. There you go. Look atthat. Alright. You're fired.
That's you're fired. It shouldhave happened right then. And

(27:23):
and that's it. Give a person amillion chances, and they will
do worse and worse things untilthey're murdering dozens of
people a day. It's just andthat's the equivalent of what
he's done artist aestheticallyand in terms of automotive
technology.

Linnea Lueken (27:40):
Yeah. I can just picture how those meetings went.
And he thinks he's being reallyclever and cool, and I'm sure he
got lots of accolades from his,you know, millennial and Gen z

Sam Karnick (27:50):
Did they clap

Linnea Lueken (27:50):
like this? Younger design people. No. They
clap like this

Jim Lakely (27:53):
because No. No. Up twinkles.

Linnea Lueken (27:57):
Yeah. Because because clapping can be
triggering and frightening, butsnaps snaps are okay.

Jim Lakely (28:03):
Yep. Yeah. I'm gonna keep playing this jaguar ad on
the loop for everybody just to

Linnea Lueken (28:07):
Thanks, Jim.

Jim Lakely (28:08):
Because we may never get a chance to play it again.
But yeah. I mean, as they say,the wages of woke means you go
broke. It's it's mind bogglingto me, and we've covered this, I
think, three times now, the, thedestruction of Jaguar and and
the timing of this. This cameout, I think it was last year.

(28:29):
It was came out after theelection, I think, in December
2024. So it was perfectly timedfor the cultural and vibe shift,
and not just in America, but inthe world. But, you know, to to
I mean, just just even posing itright there. Just just the logo
for Jaguar. It used to be aniconic logo of the of the of

(28:49):
the, you know, the jumpingJaguar and and very unique font
for their for their styling.
And then they go to you know,this Jaguar font could be it
could be a tech company. Thiscould be Google's new font. You
know. Looks like a perfume tome. Yeah.
It does look like a perfume.Yeah.

Linnea Lueken (29:06):
Does look like a perfume. Yeah. I well, and this
is part of it too is that, youknow, we're not usually we're
not like a a car guy show oranything. But from what I
understand, Jaguar has been kindof screwing over their
dealerships and stuff too for along time. So a lot of
dealerships were working onalready cutting ties with them
and only selling Land Rover fromthat.

(29:27):
So in it it's an Indian companythat owns both Jaguar Land Rover
and a couple other companies.

Sam Karnick (29:34):
Ironically, it's called Tata.

Linnea Lueken (29:36):
It's called Tata. But they, you know, they've been
having problems, you know,manufacturing enough and sending
dealerships what they promisedand stuff like that for a while
now. And so a lot of dealershipswere dropping Jaguar before this
even happened. And then soJaguar at the beginning of the

(29:57):
year in 2024 basically said,we're just not gonna make cars
at all for a year, and we'regonna see what happens. They
sold 49 cars the first quarterof that year in Europe, which is
crazy.
And they just stopped makingthem, and they said, we're gonna
put everything behind this allelectric rebranding. And it

(30:18):
really didn't go over very well.And all electric was foolish to
begin with anyway, not justbecause of the kinds of
arguments that we make. Right?But because other car companies
that put their money into, like,hybrids and stuff are actually
doing fairly well in thatdepartment because people tend
to kinda like hybrids.
They don't like all electric,but they do kinda like the
hybrid. So it's it's just been atotal disaster. So fun stuff. I

(30:43):
didn't wanna spend too much timeon this one, but I wanted to do
a little bit of a a I guess youwould say, like, a gloating a
gloating moment that someone

Sam Karnick (30:53):
One more visit to the jelly of the month club,
basically.

Jim Lakely (30:56):
Yes. Exactly. No. We we are gonna leave this subject
because I ran it on too long inthat first topic area, but

Donald Trump (31:02):
I did find those videos, and I found it

Jim Lakely (31:03):
very infuriating. But you make the good point
about the electric vehicles. Ifif not putting the ad aside and
the rebrand and all that stuff,the fact that Jaguar under his
leadership decided we're gonnago all electric now. We're not
gonna make any more in ininternal combustion engine
vehicles anymore. We're gonna bean all electric car company, was
so so dumb.
And I think it's a special kindof dumb, an indoctrinated kind

(31:27):
of dumb that you have convincedyourself despite all evidence in
the marketplace and all of yourexperience in the automotive
industry that a couple ofgovernment mandates by a
temporary president is going toresult in a permanent transition
into electric powered vehicles.And you're going to do that with
your luxury brand, which is nota vehicle anybody really needs.

(31:49):
Mhmm. Instead of even justmaking two kinds of cars, you
can still afford when gas is $40a gallon, you know, you can
still afford it if you own aJaguar because you're already
rich. Instead, we're gonna goall electric.
And it was that for that alone,he deserved to be canned, and
good luck to Jaguar. You oncegreat brand. Now in the

Linnea Lueken (32:09):
car. All electric as, you know, the really bad
business decision. You know,they were listening to State
Street and all those guys, andthey were saying, you know, oh,
this is gonna be the future. TheWorld Economic Forum said that
everything's gonna be electricin, like, five years. So we're
gonna put all of our moneybehind that.
They were totally wrong. Notonly that, but they made it ugly
to boot. And that is the mostoffensive part in my opinion.

(32:34):
Alright. So, I mean, yourclassic Jaguar might be worth a
lot more nowadays because of howterrible the company has been
doing lately.
But it's pretty hard to stackJags as a long term investment.
It'd

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So our next topic here, youguys, bad loser Bane. For those

(35:02):
not familiar with Afton Bane,she's gained some notoriety for
being a little bit, a lot of bitdramatic and pretty classless,
to say the least. She complainsabout the prayer groups and
legislature. She supportsburning down police stations,
which is kind of a big one. Shethinks marriage is patriarchal.

(35:25):
Sororities are whitesupremacist. And she's been on
video literally screaming herhead off while being dragged out
of governor Lee's office forbusting into a private meeting.
The Western Journal covers herreaction to losing the recent
election. They write, the wholepoint of winning, among other
things, is that you get todictate terms. The loser

(35:48):
generally has the terms dictatedto them.
Nobody seems to have bothered totell Democratic Tennessee
representative Afton Bain that.On Tuesday, Bain showed that she
doesn't understand the simplerules of power dynamics by
telling her supporters after shelost that she used her
concession call with victoriousGOP candidate Matt Van Epps to

(36:09):
lecture him about Obamacare. Shesaid, I called the congressman
elect, and I had one questionfor him. What will define what
happens next? Do not let theAffordable Care Act subsidies
expire.
Do not raise health care costsfor working families in
Tennessee. And I wanna be clearon two reasons why this is not

(36:30):
appropriate. Aside from theobvious optics of being the
loser and lecturing the winnerabout his priorities, first,
this wasn't a new topic for Bainwho tried to reconcile her
radical beliefs with thebuzzword of affordability by
doubling down on the necessityof funding Obamacare subsidies
for the foreseeable futurewithout any off ramp from the

(36:50):
disastrous care program. Andsecond, while it pales in
comparison to Trump's victory inthe 7th Congressional District
two years ago, let's just beclear. Nine points is not a
moral victory.
It's not a mandate for changethat doesn't flip a seat. And I
wanted to bring this littlesection here up, you guys,
because it was kind of a cherryon top of the hysteria following

(37:13):
elections this year. Lots ofdoom and gloom peddling.
Everyone just wants to findlike, nobody even notices that
it's not all doom clouds anddarkness. Instead of looking for
a silver lining, they're justthey're they're saying that
there is no silver lining.
This is a disaster. But it'sreally not. And but look, here

(37:34):
Tennessee really dodged abullet. Didn't they, Sam?

Sam Karnick (37:38):
They sure did. This is it's interesting, though,
because I think it's again, it'semblematic of this whole system
we seem to have developed wheremaybe it's not a system. The
systems actually, have somepurpose and plan to them. But
this whole sort of miasma thatwe've developed where people
just aren't held responsible fortheir actions and your speech is

(38:03):
an action. And and the crazydumb things that she said should
have disqualified her for evennomination in in a party that is
of the left.
The she's just a a crazy crank,and she you know, I would say
that she doesn't make MarjorieTaylor Greene look good. That

(38:25):
would be very difficult to do.But she's provides a lot of
competition over there.

Linnea Lueken (38:31):
What is it with our female representatives? I
just don't understand. It's shesaid something. I I saw one of
her clips on Twitter. She wasstanding in front of the house
representatives.
And she said something along thelines of, like, I was talking to
my therapist and I told themabout dream that I had where I
stood in front of a room ofwomen and told them, I don't

(38:52):
wanna be a mother. I want power.And I'm like, okay.

Jim Lakely (38:56):
Wow.

Linnea Lueken (38:56):
Like, alright. You shouldn't say that kind of
thing out loud to people, butokay.

Jim Lakely (39:02):
Well, I'm glad she says it out loud to people. And
and and, frankly, what's what'sdisturbing? So, like, I think
Trump won that district by 20points in the twenty twenty four
election. And what was thenumber there? Was it it ended up
being nine point victory for theYeah.

Linnea Lueken (39:15):
Was nine.

Jim Lakely (39:16):
Yeah. Right. So nine points. So, hey, cut in more
than half, and that is a littletroubling. Again, it's an off
year election.
Don't wanna read too much intoit. But, you know, this isn't
this is something I think MattWalsh said the other day. You
know that phrase, you know, whensomebody tells you who who they
are, believe them? TheDemocratic voters are telling us

(39:38):
who they are, and I think it'stime we come to grips with it
and believe them, that theysupport absolute lunatics like
Afton Bain. She she she said shehad on the public record so many
crazy statements that would havebeen absolutely disqualifying

(39:59):
instantly for anybody, any partyas few as five years ago.
When you're running for congressand and you are on the record
and then you're you defend itconstantly that you hate the
city of Nashville. You hate thepeople in your own district, and
you come within nine points ofwinning in a 20, you know, 20

(40:20):
plus point, red district. Thattells me, and I think it was a
point Matt Walsh was making, isthat the Democratic party voter
right now is as unhinged as asAfton Bain and as Zoran Mamdani.
And these are the kind of thoseare the people that are gonna
come out and vote in the midtermelections. And they are going

(40:40):
to, on purpose and with glee,vote for absolute complete
lunatics to be taking over ourgovernment and setting public
policy.
So that's what keeps me up atnight sometimes, not not
anything else.

Linnea Lueken (40:57):
Well and and it's it's funny to me too. And the
Sam posted something in in theprivate chat, a good link to an
article about Trump's positionon his current position on
health care stuff. But, youknow, her calling up her
opponent who beat her to to youknow? And and so his his mission

(41:20):
is the one that won the voters.So she she does not get to be
dictating terms and does not getto be saying, well, you should
actually uphold my missionbecause for some reason, I
didn't get the votes to win.
So for some reason, that meansyou should do what I want you to
do anyway. I don't know. It'sjust it's the weirdest

(41:41):
reasoning.

Jim Lakely (41:41):
You can put that in we should have used that for
unhinged. That really is anunhinged way to think about it.
It

Linnea Lueken (41:46):
is kind of unhinged. We could have done
that and just combine the wholething. But it's it's interesting
too because, you know, Trump'sbeen Trump's been trying really
hard to figure out or at leasthe is in flux trying to figure
out how to approach the healthcare issue because it has become
such a quagmire. You don't wannajust yank people's, know, care

(42:09):
away from them after they'vegotten used to it or whatever,
but you do have to get rid ofthis get dang Obamacare. And and
Trump seems to be saying onTruth Social, he posted, the
only health care I'll support orapprove is sending the money
directly back to the people withnothing going to the big fat
rich insurance companies whohave made trillions of dollars

(42:30):
and ripped off America longenough.
The people will be allowed tonegotiate and buy their own much
better insurance. Power to thepeople. Congress, do not waste
your time and energy on anythingelse. This is the only way to
have great health care inAmerica. Get it done now.
So, Sam, you sent this to us asjust like a little microcosm
here of of the negotiations, Iguess, that are going on. And

(42:53):
and I don't know if this isTrump expressing his full and
total belief in what shouldhappen or if he's doing that
thing where he says something alittle bit to the right or not
to the right as in left rightpolitics, but, like, a little
bit far afield of what heactually is going for in hopes
that the negotiation brings himto where he wants to be. But
what do you think?

Sam Karnick (43:14):
I think that is exactly what he's doing.
However, he certainly would, Ithink he certainly would like to
get what we're talking about.And that is a simple a simple
approach, which is that cash isking. That cash holds people
boy, accountability is real, andresponsibility is really the
theme here today because cashcash holds people accountable.

(43:37):
If you know what you'respending, you can do a lot
better job of making good goodchoices about it.
And if the customer knows whatthey're spending on you as a
provider, likewise, you becomemuch more efficient that way.
The way to cut costs of healthcare is to do the opposite of

(43:57):
what pushed them up, which waswe've increased demand in
insanely since 1965 when we,created Medicaid and Medicare
and the like. And, we've beendivorcing the the customer from
the the payment. And so what youdo is now you just buy prepaid

(44:21):
care. Well, then that's whatMedicaid and Medicare did.
They initiated that wholeprocess of moving health care
from being, a way of dealingwith an emergency that could
impoverish you to and and and soto insure yourself against that
emergency to just prepaid care.But if it's prepaid care, you've

(44:43):
already paid it, so you'll useas much as you can. And if
you're using as much as you can,what are you doing? You're
demanding. And if you'redemanding, what are you doing?
You're raising prices. So thatthe only way to get away from
this is to restore the thepayment by the actual by the
person who's actually gettingthe service. And that's what

(45:05):
Trump was saying. And the factthat he was doing that is, to
me, a very big deal. It's it'svery important.
And if we can start peoplethinking along those lines, then
we can actually start to makepositive changes. And we outline
in, Anne Marie Sheber, who'sour, editor of health care news

(45:26):
at the Heartland Institute.Please, people, send donations
to us for that fabulousnewspaper. But Anne Anne and I
put put put this piece together,and we named some of the reforms
that can be done. In fact, inand and we certainly alluded to
the whole variety that that isout there.
But the key is that you've gottaget the customer who is the

(45:49):
patient. You gotta get themrecognizing what they're paying
for. And once that happens, youwill see prices come down. The
the government created thisproblem, and the only way to fix
it is to change what thegovernment has done and and get
these, get get the system get asystem, actually, and not just a

(46:13):
mess. Get a system that makessense.
And and that's that's what that,article is all about.

Linnea Lueken (46:20):
Yeah. I think all in all, the crazy thing about,
you know, Bain's demanding thathe keeps, Obamacare basically or
supports keeping Obamacare isthat Obamacare isn't even
popular on the left anymore. SoRight. It's it's just getting
worse and worse. And you knowwhat else is getting worse and
worse?
Minnesota. So it is fraud allthe way down in the land of

(46:43):
10,000 lakes. It's been a verybad week for Minnesota governor
Tim Waltz. Remember when he wasgonna be vice president? So
that's another dodge bullet forall of us.
Breitbart reports hundreds ofMinnesota government staffers
say that governor Tim Waltz hidSomali fraud and attacked
whistleblowers. Nearly 500employees in Minnesota state

(47:06):
government say Democraticgovernor Tim Waltz ignored their
constant warnings about massivefraud by Somalis of the state's
aid programs. The staffers inthe state's Department of Health
Services also say that Walt'sretaliated against them for
exposing the corruption. TimWaltz is 100% responsible for
massive fraud in Minnesota, thegroup said in a November 29

(47:28):
Twitter post. We let Tim Waltzknow of fraud early on, hoping
for a partnership in stoppingfraud, but no.
We got the opposite response.They added Tim Waltz
systemically or systematicallyretaliated against
whistleblowers using monitoring,threats, repression, and did his
best to discredit fraud reports.They also alleged that Waltz

(47:49):
disempowered the office of thelegislative auditor to allow the
fraud to continue freely. It isendemic across all of
Minnesota's welfare and aidprograms, not just its
Department of Human Services.One case was an organization
called Feeding Our Future, runby a group of Minneapolis era
area, Somali migrants.

(48:10):
Prosecutors say that theorganizers built $250,000,000
from the state in child foodassistance funding. In another
case, tens of millions werestolen from Minnesota's autism
treatment program, more than550,000,000 stolen from the
state's coronavirus pandemicrelease relief program. And

(48:31):
there's another feeding ourfuture fraud case where more
than 250,000,000 in pandemic erastate aid for hungry children
was stolen by members of theSomali community. Well, it's
hard to say or hard to know whatto say to all that because it's
it's mind blowing. You know, thegovernor is supposed to care
about all of his constituents,not preferentially.

(48:54):
And, you know, the craziest partabout this, Sam, is that, like,
these migrants were given afair, you know, like, a safe
home than at least safer thanthe one that they left, you
know, by some of the nicestpeople on earth who are
Minnesotans. So what what'sgoing on here? And why would why
would Tim Waltz be covering forit?

Sam Karnick (49:15):
Well, what's going on here is they're getting
punched in the head and saying,I hope something good happens to
the person who punched me in thehead. And that's what they keep
doing. And until you recognizethat, okay, we I think we need
to go back to the eighteenthcentury here for just a moment,
okay, and go to Jean JacquesRousseau, the French
philosopher. I'm sure Linea isare you grooving on this or

(49:39):
gracking or something, Linea?Jean Jacques Rousseau, who who
posited that and he's the sortof the inventor of modern
liberalism.
And he posited that human beingsare born good, that they're
naturally good at birth, andsociety corrupts them. So the
the premise here that you see inMinnesota is that, well,

(50:02):
everybody in the world is isbasically good. And if you bring
them to a nice place likeMinnesota, they'll act like
Minnesotans. Well, Rousseau waswrong. He was a 100% wrong.
He was the opposite of what'sreal, and, Minnesota is just
proving that again. If youinvite people to commit fraud,

(50:24):
they're going to do it. ItWallace made a really great,
straw man there saying, I hatethe the fact that these,
Republicans are saying thateverybody in Minnesota is a
cheater and a a thief. Nobodysaid that. Nobody said that
everybody is, but they did saythat, these people are, and it
seems to be very accurate.

(50:44):
So what happens here is that,you've got, again, no
accountability, noresponsibility, and it's not
just the thieves. It's thegovernor himself. At some point,
we look. You're gonna get Frenchrevolution type action going on

(51:05):
if you don't restore some senseof justice. When your premises
are that we do what we want andyou get in line and and say you
like it and say two plus twoequals five, if you just keep
doing that, eventually, you'regoing to get into some serious

(51:26):
trouble, especially when youhave a country that has the
second amendment like ours does.
I'm I'm sorry, but this is not atrivial matter. That's people
stealing, you know, a quarter of$1,000,000,000 here, a half
1,000,000,000 there, that'soutrageous. And think of think
of that that that money went topeople in Somalia. We we all can

(51:48):
have we all can have the nicestthoughts about people in Somalia
and and how they have theirneeds and so forth. But if
anybody wants to support them,it should be done voluntarily.
It shouldn't be done through agovernment program where theft

Linnea Lueken (52:03):
is

Sam Karnick (52:04):
neglected. This is this is outrageous. I mean, it's
like our country is developinginto one big crime syndicate,
and we let we just let it allhappen. It's that cannot last.
That cannot stay, and it's notgoing to.
So there's there's two ways it'sgonna it's going to change.

(52:28):
Either it's gonna get bad enoughthat there's absolute, let's
say, counteraction of a similarsort, or people like Tim Walls
are going to get kicked out bythe people who put them in the
in the first place, and slightlymore reasonable people will be
substituted for them. That'sthere's the only way to do it.

Jim Lakely (52:51):
I'm not gonna go wait. Did go back to the
eighteenth century, Sam? Wasthat Rousseau or Richelieu?
Yeah. I'm not gonna go back tothe eighteenth century.
I'm gonna go back to thenineteen nineties. Let's
remember why we're even here.Why most frankly, let's go back
to why there are a 100,000Somalis all gathered together in
Minneapolis of all places. Andit was because, well, Quentin

(53:13):
Tarantino actually released histop 10 movies of the twenty
first century. Number one on hislist was Black Hawk Down.
What was Black Hawk Down about?It was about, our militarized
humanitarian mission inMogadishu. And why did we send
the military to Mogadishu?Because the food that we were
sending there

Donald Trump (53:31):
I think it reminds me of that of that classic,

Jim Lakely (53:33):
Saturday Night Live skit too with, with, Bill
Hartman as as as Bill Clinton inthe McDonald's. Half of the peep
now 10 people under rememberthat one. It's one of the
classics. Anyway, the reason wewere in Somalia in

Donald Trump (53:46):
the in Mogadishu to begin with is because we were
sending food aid over there, andit was being stolen by warlords,
because that is the way societyworks

Jim Lakely (53:54):
in Somalia. And so you RM McIntyre, is a channel I
know that, Linea and I enjoyhere on YouTube, from the Blaze,
he's used this term a lot, Ilove it. He says, you know,
America does not have magicsoil. Somebody does not
automatically become an Americanand share our values just
because they put their foot orput in their hand the soil of

(54:16):
Minnesota or Illinois or NewJersey or anything else. That a
country is a country because ofthe values that it fosters and,
you know, basically creates forfor the society as a whole.
And when you bring in peoplethat do not share those values,
they do not magically become,you know, non fraudsters when

(54:36):
they come from a fraudstercountry. They don't magically
not become that just justbecause they're standing in
Minnesota and not Mogadishu.It's we've say it a lot on this
podcast. You get as a society,you get what you incentivize,
and you prevent what you punish.And the welfare system in this
country, especially inMinnesota, overseen with the

(54:57):
fraud going on, and Tim Waltsknew about it, you know, we
incentivize fraud.
And and the excuse from from theSomali community in Minnesota is
basically, what do you expect?What you do you expect us to do?
The fraud is so easy to commit.How are we not gonna how are we
not gonna do that?

Linnea Lueken (55:13):
Yeah. There's been some pretty disgusting
things on other crimes that havebeen given the same kind of
shrug of the shoulders and,like, well, you know, it's their
culture, so they haven'tassimilated blah blah blah. It's
just not yeah. But it's it'sgross. But it's it's what's

(55:34):
amazing to me is that basicallynone of these people, from what
I understand, were vetted comingin.
So to think that, you know,you're gonna let in 100,000
people from a country that wastorn apart in war and crime and
some of the most, like,horrifying human rights and and

(55:57):
and, like, just abuses and stuffthat you could possibly imagine.
And just say, we're gonna let awhole bunch of them over here.
And imagine that some of thelike, lot of the bad ones
wouldn't wanna come over heretoo and sneak in and and be part
of, you know, the very generous,you know, setup that Minnesota

(56:19):
welcome them to. It's it'scrazy. And it we we don't have
to.
It's very nice of The UnitedStates to take on refugees from,
you know, war torn countries andstuff. It's a it's an extremely
nice thing to do, like, generousthing to do. We don't have to be
doing that. And if we keepgetting bitten for it, then we

(56:41):
shouldn't just keep doing it. Weabsolutely should not.
I wanted to bring up that, youknow, Tim Waltz is very excited
about a new fraud program. Imean, new family medical leave
program that he says will givebenefits to undocumented
workers, which is fun. And heused the word he is excited

(57:02):
about it. Minnesota governor TimWaltz announced the state's
family and medical leave programalerting Minnesotans to the
enrollment period for anyone whohad a child in 2025, including
illegal immigrants. During apress conference, Tim Waltz
praised the program saying thathe was excited about it.
It allows people to take timeoff for illness or for new baby

(57:24):
bonding time with a maximum oftwenty weeks per year total. The
program is funded by an increasein payroll taxes to be paid by
employees and employers and waspassed into law in 2023. The
Minnesota Chamber of Commercestates that almost all employers
in Minnesota are required toparticipate. Therefore, most

(57:44):
people who work in Minnesota,whether it's full time, part
time, temp work, hourly,seasonally, or more than one job
are covered seasonally. I justhave to pause there for a
second.
You are covered for paternityleave, maternity leave if you
are a seasonal worker. That'scrazy. Undocumented workers,

(58:05):
that's crazy. Youth workers,that's unfortunate. And new
workers are also covered.
Jim, you had a really goodcritique of this plan for the
remote worker angle. Could youarticulate that for our audience
here?

Jim Lakely (58:21):
Yeah. Well, I tried. So so the so the the law is
written, and Tim also proud ofit. It's like so a remote worker
is also covered. So let's sayyou work let's say, you you
know, you're a you're a, youknow, a laptop jockey and you
live in Minneapolis, and you'reworking for a company where

(58:42):
you're you code or you write oryou manage people via email, and
you have a company in Illinois,say.
And we need somebody to do thatkind of work for us, But I'm not
gonna hire somebody fromMinnesota, not with this law in
place, because what will happenis that just even though this
person even though my businessis not located in in Minnesota,

(59:05):
because I've hired somebody whodoes at least 50% of their work
while residing in Minnesota,they are covered by this law. So
they could they could get abasically, a doctor's note that
says I have to take care of asick relative or or I'm I'm I'm
on maternity leave. And thenthis person is going to be gone

(59:25):
for five months. So now I haveto go find another person. And
so the the whole the whole idea,actually, just from the basics
of the law that, you know, yourpayroll taxes are now more
expensive in Minnesota, so it'snow become a lot more expensive
to hire and start a business inMinnesota.
And but even though that'ssupposedly covered and it will

(59:45):
be taken advantage of and itwill not it'll go a 100 times
over budget, but now I have tonow hire a person to replace
that person that I just hired inMinnesota for the next five
months, and I have to pay thatperson. I am definitely now not
hiring anybody in Minnesota. Andthen once I can fire this
person, and who knows how legalthat will be, when they come
back to work after five months,I have to fire the person. I

(01:00:09):
have to let go of the person I Ibrought in to replace this
person. No matter how good thisperson is, I have to get rid of
them and bring back this personwho just abandoned me for five
months.
I'm never hiring anybody inMinnesota to do any remote work
ever. Never ever ever as long asthis as long as this law is in
place. So it's basically thenever hire anybody in Minnesota

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to do remote work act of 2025because you would be an absolute
idiot for hiring anybody. And,also, this law, if you had a
choice between hiring somebodyremote or not who is a young
single band or a 31 year oldmarried woman, who would you

(01:00:53):
hire if you wanted to make surethat this person stayed in the
job? Because maternity leave offive months is a lot, and it
would be mandatory.

Linnea Lueken (01:01:05):
Oh, but don't worry. But don't worry, Jim.
It's not just for the mother.It's for the father too.

Jim Lakely (01:01:09):
Oh, that's right. It is for the father too. Again, I
said single. I would hirenothing but 24 year old single
men who who don't date and justplay video games all day. That
would be the safest hire of all

Linnea Lueken (01:01:21):
in Minnesota. That's you you just yeah. Tying
this to the fraud issue, though,this is so obviously ripe for
fraud, though. You know, sayyou're a seasonal once again, a
seasonal employee and you all ofa sudden claim that you have to
take paternity leave ormaternity leave for twenty weeks

(01:01:43):
during your seasonal job. You'rejust getting paid to not work

Jim Lakely (01:01:47):
the whole time. Absolutely

Sam Karnick (01:01:50):
right. But you're not getting paid not to work.
You know why? Because this lawworks just like is going to work
just like minimum wage laws,which is it will just end
employment at the margin. So ifyou're not somebody that is
absolutely critical to anoperation that is somehow
absolutely critical to people inMinnesota who will put up money

(01:02:15):
for it, then you're done.
You're out. You're not going tobe working. So, what happens
here is that if if if you lookat how minimum wage loss work,
you know, the the the the, kidsin high school, for example,
they can't get jobs anymore. Andand and, you know, people
complain about, well, people incollege, they they should be

(01:02:35):
working. They should, you know,support themselves and pay their
tuition by working.
You can't get jobs. You can'tget jobs if unless you're some
sort of really criticalimportant worker who brings a
whole lot to the table. So whatthis does is it makes it
extremely expensive andextremely risky to hire people.

(01:02:56):
Well, guess what? If you cannothire people, you can't have an
operation.
You can't have a business. Youneed human beings to do that. We
can talk about AI all you want.You need human beings. So what's
going to happen is that theeconomy of Minnesota is going to
shrink and shrink and shrink,and people are going to leave

(01:03:17):
and leave and leave.
And Iowa and, Wyoming and NorthDakota will will become more
populous, and, Minnesota willjust turn into, guess what,
Mogadishu.

Linnea Lueken (01:03:30):
Wyoming is full.

Jim Lakely (01:03:31):
No. No way.

Linnea Lueken (01:03:33):
Nobody's allowed to move to Wyoming.

Sam Karnick (01:03:35):
Sorry, Lanea.

Jim Lakely (01:03:37):
Well, yeah, I'll tell you. So, you know, we we
got a little bit into the fraudthat's happening in Minneapolis
in the Somali community, andit's, when the New York Times is
is finally forced to write thestory and, about the Somali
community fraud broad fraud, andwe're talking a billion dollars
at least. That's the tip of theiceberg. And their scams were

(01:03:58):
not even that creative. Theywere basically you know, when
the law says that you can set upa nonprofit or a or a a
corporation and collect moneyfrom the government to service
autistic children or ordistribute food, and the state
is completely uninterested inmaking sure that you're an
actual organization thatactually exists and actually

(01:04:19):
does things and not just a scam,a complete scam, it's going to
continue to grow.
And that's exactly what happenedwith the with the Smolly scams
in Minneapolis. So I'm going tosuggest a great way to scam this
system, and I know I'm not gonnabe giving, the scammers in in
Minnesota any ideas becausethey've already thought about
this and five things betterbetter than it. But under this

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law, this would be a fantasticway to scam it. So you get hired
part it's because it applies topart time people. Right?
So, apply to a place. Get a jobpart time. After two weeks, say,
get a note from your doctor, andthis can they can be in on the
scam saying that I need to takecare of a sick relative. Can we
see a picture of the sickrelative? No.
You can't. That would beinvasive of my privacy. But

(01:05:03):
here's the note from the doctor.And so now I get I get, five
months of paid leave. Thank youvery much.
After you get that, you walkover down the street and get
another job, And then you you dothe same thing every two weeks.
You could be being paid forunlimited numbers of jobs that
you don't actually have to gofor. And if you if you time it
right, you never have to go towork and you make more money

(01:05:25):
than if you had actually onejob. I guarantee you that is how
this is gonna be scammed, andthere's gonna be no money to be
able to to stop. What's that?

Linnea Lueken (01:05:34):
I said slow down, Jim. I'm taking notes. Okay.

Sam Karnick (01:05:38):
Put it on But that's why no one will get
hired, and and business willjust evaporate.

Jim Lakely (01:05:43):
Yeah. Well, I mean, why work when when scamming the
system is this easy? And and andand, again, this is not to say
that people don't need anddeserve and and require time off
to take care of a sick spouse ormother Or, obviously, every
every business has maternityleave of different of different
sizes and and differentarrangements. But it's the idea

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that it's a one size fit all,and it's mandatory for every
business to do it exactly thisway. And it doesn't matter.
We're gonna charge you. We'regonna tax you, but we will
handle all the money. Don't youworry because we're the we're
the state, and we know whatwe're doing. People should be
able to enter into voluntaryarrangements with their
employers in this way. There'san incentive for employers to
offer good benefits in order toto attract and keep the best

(01:06:29):
workers.
That's an expensive endeavor forbusinesses, but it's worth it if
they get the right talent. Whenyou take all of that incentive
away and actually incentivizefraud, you're going to get fraud
on a massive scale, and it'sguaranteed to happen in this
case.

Linnea Lueken (01:06:45):
I still kind of can't get over though how, you
know, the report from employeesat the state are saying that
they tried to blow the whistleon this. They were saying, hey.
You know, all this paperwork iswrong. These people haven't
actually proved that thesebusinesses exist. You know,
should we be, like, checking onthis?
And Tim Waltz in his office isthreatening people with firing

(01:07:06):
them, threatening them who knowswhat other ways. They didn't
give too many specifics in theirreport, in their whistleblowing
reports to the point where 500state employees have come
forward to say that they'vewitnessed this. That's I mean, I
think that's probably groundsfor some kind of a real
investigation. Right? And to getTim Waltz taken out of office, I

(01:07:29):
would think.

Jim Lakely (01:07:31):
Impeachment at a minimum and criminal Yeah.
Criminal investigation at thethe very least.

Linnea Lueken (01:07:35):
If we didn't live in, like, crazy town.

Sam Karnick (01:07:40):
It's torches and pitchforks time over there.

Linnea Lueken (01:07:44):
Absolutely. So yep. Doug Troyer, one of our
viewers our frequent viewershere says already has fraud is
going to happen, but when youdon't suppress it, it grows like
Sam says. And then, Chris Nisbetsuggests that Jim can set
himself up as a benefitconsultant. That would that

(01:08:05):
would be a pretty good gigthere.
Well, he

Jim Lakely (01:08:08):
I got a good I like my gig right now. This is good.
Although, you know, I should dothat in Minnesota and then just
take my five month you knowwhat? Forget it. I'll just I'll
just I'll work

Linnea Lueken (01:08:16):
Don't yeah. Don't give it away. Who knows who's
watching this very importantshow? And, unfortunately, you
guys, I think that's all we'vegot for you today. So we only
went thirteen minutes over thistime to almost forty minutes
over, so you're welcome.
But, also, thank you guys,everyone, for your attention to
all of these matters. Rememberthat we are live every single

(01:08:40):
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still keep accidentally callingit Twitter years later. Jim,
what do you have for theaudience today?

Jim Lakely (01:08:52):
Be sure to come back to this very bat channel at the
very same bat time for theclimate realism show tomorrow,
Fridays, every Friday at 1PMeastern time. We're gonna have a
fantastic show. I'll be hosting,and Lynea will be speaking. Sam?

Sam Karnick (01:09:07):
Yes. Please check out my article at spectator.org,
and also go to the HeartlandInstitute website for all kinds
of fantastic information and mysubstack, stkarnik.substack.com.

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Speaker 10 (01:10:07):
Oh, hold your horses. I think it's time for a
gym rant. Someone get me somemilk and cookies. Oh, hold your
horses.