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June 2, 2025 35 mins

In this conversation, Debra and Dr. Rob dive deep into the nature of consciousness from both Eastern and Western perspectives, exploring the fascinating concept of “self-luminous consciousness.” 

They break down how past experiences condition our minds to prioritize survival and fear, often shaping our perceptions of reality in limiting ways.

Drawing from ancient Eastern philosophy and insights from neuropsychology, the episode uncovers how consciousness is not just a byproduct of our brains, but the fundamental fabric from which all reality emerges. You’ll hear powerful metaphors and practical examples—including the intriguing analogy of the mind as a customizable app—that help demystify abstract concepts and show how they can be applied to your everyday life, especially when it comes to wealth, self-perception, and personal growth.

If you’ve ever wondered about the deeper connection between the self, the world you experience, and your ability to create a more fulfilling reality, this episode is for you. 

Tune in as Debra and Dr. Rob set the stage for next week’s exploration of Maya, promising even more mind-expanding insights into the workings of our consciousness.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • The difference between mind, body, and pure self-luminous consciousness
  • How past conditioning and the “ego app” limit your possibilities
  • The Eastern view that consciousness is the ground of all reality (not a product of the brain)
  • Transforming your relationship with fear, success, and abundance by recognizing the true Self
  • Practical ways to break free from limiting narratives—whether in money, career, or relationships


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