October 26, 2018 • 58 mins
Join the women who make it all happen for the DCC, Kelli Finglass and Judy Trammell, for a very special episode of "These Boots Are Made for Talkin" the official podcast of the DCC!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The Dallas Cowboys Present. These boots are made for talking
the official podcast of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. No, your hosts,
Courtney McKenna and Shannon gross Man oh Man. I don't
know if I have ever been excited for a DCC
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podcast before. God, I'm always happy, I'm always and I
always enjoy it. But I don't know if I've ever
been excited. I'm always excited. This has been a year
in the making. I feel like I have been asking
non stop for a year and I've been getting the
heisman for at least a year since we've had this podcast.
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The last time that Kelly finn Glass Welcome to the show.
First off, Kelly Finn Glass Glass and Judy Trammell. Yeah.
I think the last time Kelly was on the air
with us was over in the studio when we were
doing promos when this was first launched. No, we had
Kelly on a show, Yeah, on before or after Smithsonian.
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This is Judy's first time, I first time Welcome Judy.
Judy's a boots virgin. Can I say that? Yeah? Absolutely.
This is the Internet. You can say whatever you want.
There's no dump. But so just I told you the
magic answer was to send me an outlook appointment. Okay,
well are we not better? Ski, Yeah, Judy, Judy was like,
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I'm not doing unless Kelly's doing. Kelly was like a
by myself. Judy's a chicken. Tell her to do it
by herself. You can hold a conversation with us for
an hour, Yeah I can. I've got some stories, hell
us all of them. We We're gonna save an entire
the entire last segment. We have a special treat for
you guys, and it lives, it lives in that boot.
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So huh huh. Yeah. And by the way, if you
if you're just listening to the audio, go back and
look at the video, because Kelly is more prepared than anyone.
It looks like a game show over there in front
of her, all right, those are all her ten every day.
This is where this is my um, this is my
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comfort place is being organized and prepared. So yes, I
went back and watched ten thirteenth episode because I wanted
to make sure I didn't miss any of the highlights.
In case you asked me about the last episode that's
airing to well, usually do that at the end, but
let's so just to make sure we get this in
because tonight it's a very big night on DCC making
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the team. It's this season finale. How many team is made?
How many? How many seasons? Is this thirteen seasons? This
was thirteen And we're unveiling the squad officially on the
internet and social media tonight when the show airs, right,
squad photo comes out tonight? What time is that? Well,
some things will happen in the middle of the show
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when the rookies are officially announced that they're on the team,
they will start live tweeting with everybody. So make sure
you go to Twitter and follow all the rookies and
interact with them because I'm sure they're so excited to
talk with everybody and just tell you their story and
their experience getting here. And then at the end of
the show, the squad photo is officially revealed, So squad
photo will go live on the website, the new bios
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and rosters, everything. We see your comments. We know you're like,
where's the new roster, Shantell's mom on the team anymore?
We know, but we were holding out. But it'll be
there tonight, William, no pressure on you over there behind
that wall. Yeah, William's got all the secrets in the
vault and they unleashed tonight. The show starts at nine
pm Central. It will be good, and I think about
nine twelve, nine to fifteen is when we're William's going
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to start opening the vault with the Twitter accounts and
the new bios and the new team photos. Central time. Right. Yes,
by the way, pull our two poles up that we
put up. I want to see what the results of
those were on Twitter and Facebook. I don't know if
I can go old. Yeah, we were talking about I
was talking about on the show how we just need
to talk about everything in real time in courtwne. He
was like, no, let's don't spoil it. And then I said,
I guarantee you if people listen to the show, they
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know who already know who's on the squad through message
boards and all that. So we put a pole upon
the last time. I would love to know what people want.
It's kind of the chicken or the egg, which what's first.
We obviously know who made the team, but we also
people don't want spoilers, so we don't know what to do.
It wasn't as polarizing as I thought. I'm trying to
find out. I don't remember what we we tweet a
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lot in a week or two. Well, let's get into this,
let's get into the show. Make sure we get that
all in. So what can we expect? Is there any
can you pull the curtain back? Can you give us
a teaser that doesn't give too much away on what
happens tonight? Well, tonight is the last practice before our
first game. We have thirty eight ladies in training camp
and we're still have two cuts left. So you can
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see the pressure in me and Judy and our actions
and emotions. So two cuts tonight, two cuts, then the
team announcement. I would say that this last office visit
that we have is probably not sound like Chris Harrison
of the Bachelor, but it's probably the most dramatic season
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cut that I've experienced. And it's hard to watch. It's hard.
It's hard. I watched it, and um, it was hard
to be there. You can tell by my expressions, I
was youwich like stone cold silent. She I've decided that
she has a mute button in her stool because when
things get tough, I st I obviously can't I'm talking,
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and it's very uncomfortable and Judy. I see her now
I watch the show, and her hand touches her cheek
and then it touches her mouth, and then she just
goes down. And I didn't realize she's like covered, like
Darth Vader, just totally masked down while I'm trying to
get through this hoping they don't see you. Yeah, you
hide behind your hair and they no one knows you're there.
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I just hide hide behind your secrets. I've always said
she hides behind the curtain of hair. But anyway, that
that happens tonight and in the bright spots in the
show are the final team announcement. You get to see
the ladies who made the team called home and call
their moms and dads. You get to see our meet
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the Team event where they perform in front of their
families and friends and employers and co workers for the
first time. You get to see them receive their uniform
for the first time. And then the huge payoff is
the first game. So it has a great, very powerful payoff.
Ending so very dramatic and a lot upsetting in this episode,
but also ends on a very high note with a
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lot of happy thoughts. In roller coaster ey emotions if
I say so, I'm trapped in a glass case of emotion. Yes, yes, okay,
it's tough. I wrote down I cried ten times watching
this episodes. Yeah, ten tier moments. I wanted to ask,
can we break down? Wait before we go? Can we
break down the tier moments? Yeah? Okay, let give something away? Okay,
which Q card is that on? This is the cry?
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This is tier points people who are listening and not
watching the life. I do not. There are ten pieces
of paper now, y'all come, I don't pick on me
for being prepared early nine. I'm not picking on you.
It's amazing that one's double sided. Okay. So, um I
cried at the last cut. It's it's painful to watch.
I cried when we finally announced because it's it's joyful
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to watch. Um I cried when we gave the rookie
sixteen rookies their new uniforms. Um I. I cried when
the girls called their moms because you could see the
moms on their phones face timing, and I did. I
did too great. Okay, so see we have that one
in common. Um I cried when Judy talks about Lacy
saying her last year Judy gets emotional and that made
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me cry. Then Cashera talks about maybe leaving the team,
which she hasn't told us officially, so that made me cry. Um.
I cried when Brennan. When Brennan does a full interview,
not going to give it away, but she talks about
this being her fourth time to try out, three times
in training camp. Um, I cried about Ashley from Shreveport
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in her backstory. I cried about Taylor and her talking
about wanting to make the team. I'll let you see
if she makes the team, but um kind of her
journey back about losing her father and how that's impacted her.
And then finally at the very end, I cried, um
when I told the girls that they inspire youth. That
made me cry, and then my last tear was happy.
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Now I'm serious, this is it's emotional. And then at
the very end, you revisit Victoria and Dayton and their
experiences through training camp, and that made me cry as well.
Is the show tonight? Now? All this and then there's
happy moments in it as well. I know it's ridiculous.
Maybe I'm just emotional today, but all of those aren't
sad tears, happy tears, so they're happy tears, some of
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them because they're calling the moms. You know that that
that tugged at the mom and me, Yeah, I've gotten
to where the older I get it will happen. Things
make me like that are just dumb, make me emotional,
like I'll be like, what's what's happening to my face?
Why are my eyes watering? And I'm just like life
experiences now, And I guess get you draw from things
in your path, So I wanted to I've always want
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to ask you guys this. I guess this kind of
a two part question. This comes down to cuts and
things like that. So when you when you make cuts,
obviously it has to bother you because you get attached
to certain ladies for certain reasons. And I'm sure that's
a very tough thing for you guys. How long do
you hold on to that? How long does it bother you?
After you make cuts? Do you still think about it?
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And then the second part is do you ever make
cuts and then second guess it down the road and go,
you know what, we maybe we made a rest. Yeah, yes,
during the season sometimes you even things happen and you
look back and think with Brennan in her case, we
cut her last year and there were several times during
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the year we thought, man, Brennan would be killing this
right now and she would shit this so much, and yeah,
we regretted that that moment. How long do you how
long do you do you hold on to stuff? Because
it just it's kind of like, you know, you get
so used to, like with the football team, you don't
get attached to certain players because you know they might
not be here a long time or whatever and things
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like that. But when you when you're going through camp
and you spend so much time with these girls and
they're they're basically you know, half of their day is
spent with you guys, and you have to cut one.
It's a tough decision. How long does that bother you?
Do you try to drop it as fast as you
can and just block it out, or do you struggle
with it? A little bit of all that? I mean,
I agree with Judy and Brennan's case. Her you know,
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she was in training camp twice and we both when
we released her last year, we both mid season last season.
We're both were like, you know, I had second thoughts
about Brennan and so That's why I was so glad
to see her re audition this year to answer a
question about how long. We're moving pretty fast and furious
in training camp, and we have to focus on the
women that are still in training camp. But I'd be
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lying if I didn't say it. I go home and
I'm kind of burdened by it. I go to sleep
thinking about it, I wake up thinking about it. We
come back to the office and you have this team
that you've You've got to move forward, and you have
to have that clarity to move forward. But we were
thinking about Brennan a year later. We're still thinking about
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some of the ladies from training camp right now that
we released. So it stays with you. I mean, it's
got too if you care, and we do. Do you. Ever,
there's a lot of girls that we're in training camp
this past year that are great and could come back
with a little refining and make the team next year
that they and you can't you can't stop thinking about them. Yeah,
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do you hope they do good? There's there's a lot
that I think. Do you think they will? I don't know.
For me, I go back and forth about whether I'd
be so defeated I wouldn't want to come back or
so inspired. I would are you are you ever able
to either through you or through other channels, the ones
that you think have a chance and they just need
to fix certain things, able to reach out to them
and say, hey, don't give up or do you just
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is it up to them whether they come back or not,
because you would think if you see the potential in someone,
you're like, if you could just work on this, do
you ever are you ever able to reach out through
other people or anything, and say, hey, somehow get this
information to them, tell them to come back that don't
give up on the dream. Yet when we have the
this is your final night conversation with them, we tell
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them just that here's what you need to work on,
and we hope you re audition if that's the way
we really feel. And I don't think they hear anything
we say honestly once we start talking, but I will.
I noticed in Brennan's case, she started talking about she
went back to dance classes at Kitty Carter's dance studio,
and Kitty said, I if you think you can handle it,
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I mean, what's the biggest thing to lose? If you
think you can handle it, go for it, and so
she did and she she will see tonight if she
succeeds or not. It seems like to me, and this
may just because I'm more tuned in through doing the
show and stuff, but it seems like there's more and
more girls the last few years that have tried out
multiple times and come back three, four, Christina five times
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and they're not giving up. Do you any idea why
that is why there's like seems to be a little
more Hey, I'm gonna try it again. I'm gonna try
it again. I'm gonna try it again. Has it always
been like that or is that kind of a new thing.
I think that is a result of the TV show.
People ask me all the time, you know, have you
seen any changes in your team from the CMTTV show?
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And I do think that now people believe the comeback
girls story. You've we've seen it in Madeline Brennan helped
me out here, Judy, Christina Kelly. I mean, we have
ladies on our team now that made it the fifth
year they tried out. So it's real, it's real people,
real lives. It really does happen, and just it just
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takes longer for some people and you don't get annoyed.
You're like, oh, she's back again, or are you like
happy that they're back again? In most cases, we're happy.
In most cases, we're happy that they're back again. There
are occasionally some entertaining situations, just first rounders. Yeah, those
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are my favorite. In the first round. Oh yeah, it's
you get everything we're made to z and in between
idol aspiring too, because some know they're not going to
make it, but they do it for the experience. You
know what. There's a lot to be said for that,
because when you do something that you're they tried, yeah,
and it's on national team or you're scared of or
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something you're not sure about, and you do that, it
gives you the confidence a lot of times to do
other things and go, you know, if I can do
that and go basically make a fool of myself knowing
but just going through it and making yourself do something.
I think you should do something and I'm terrible at this,
but like make yourself uncomfortable once a month to uncomfortable, Shannon,
I did hear your podcast with Lexi and Christine and
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where you promise a jump split yet did not I
don't know how that wound up, but you're on you're
on record, okay, And Kelly, I haven't been stretching. I
need to stretch. Put it on master and Christina said, oh,
it only takes a couple of weeks, three weeks. So
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how long does it take, oh my gosh, years for
flexibility to first of all, to get those Monroe Louisiana
hamstrings loosened up. So next time you come on the show,
I should be able to do it. Since it'll be
a year, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like dumb and dumber,
ninety one percent chance you ain't doing I gotta remember
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how to do the stretch. I gotta get somebody. One
question that a lot of people did ask on social media,
did you guys ever do it? And could you still
do the jump split? Never did it? Can't do it still?
Probably no, we didn't do it In the early eighties.
We weld into our splits. We did high kicks and
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then we slid into the splits. That's the that's the music.
What were doing, Yankee Doodle Danny. So when we slid
into the splits? So when did the jump split become
a thing? When were you like, oh here, I have
a great idea. Great ideas fly into the air and
land in a split. I think it was someone on
the team's idea, like after you year did you retire?
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Eighty nine? The season of eighty eight, so spring of
eighty nine, So in like nineteen nineties, as soon as
we turned in our boots, everybody you know we wore
Go Go boots and our heels were like block heels,
and even just sliding into a split, we broke heels off.
Every game. You had to have extra boots there because
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we even had funny Christmas gifts made with Kelly broken heels.
We made Susanne Mitchell, our director, m a Christmas tree
with all the broken heels. All the ornaments were broken heels.
Such amazing as the ornaments from our beloved Go Go boots.
I've jumped what wouldn't have worked? So tell us the
transition between Go Go boots and Luke Case boots. How
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did that? How did that happen? I think we stepped
out of our Go goes in that first year nineteen
eighty to nine. Right, I've had a couple of years
of transition boots. What does that even mean? Brand mistakes
developmental boots and then we uh we we we knew
we wanted to go western, and I think once we
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finally had a custom made in Texas boot by Luke Case.
Then then we hit the sweet spot and their legendary
there you go. Well to every answer everybody's questions. No
they have never done and no they will never do.
Jump flitts. So someone DMed me and and dcc alum.
Let me pull up the Let me pull up the
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name here. Last name is I guess you Banks? Maybe
miss Misty Bank. Maybe want to know any chance of
getting YouTube back in uniform for a special something, not
unless panel in the front that um missy sized uniform spans.
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But you didn't say no, No, how's that? I don't
like that? We like where we are on. Yeah. I
think it would be fun, though, to do like some
kind of nostalgic TVT. Yeah, some kind of recreate your
iconic shot. Yes, put some extensions in Judy, get your
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nice pig tails. Gosh, I have to go back blonde
and I don't want to do that. No, let me
ask figgs. Let me ask you this. What is what
is your favorite How long have you been together? Like
a married couple. They are married couple twenty nine years. Um,
the math didn't sound right, But this is our twenty
eight squad together, right, I think so? Twenty eight? Wow?
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So what is your favorite thing about the other part
and least or most annoying habit put you on the spot.
My favorite thing is that we can read each other's minds.
It's creepy. They stopped talking and just look at each other. Yeah,
I give her if they don't know the answer to something.
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We have eye contact and I just go. I think
she kicks me. She kicks me under the table, And
I know, shut up, that's your favorite thing. She kicks
me under the table. My favorite thing about Judy is
her loyalty and dedication. I know, I know she's coming
from the right place in her heart. I know there's nobody,
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nobody that cares more about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders in
Judy Trammel and that that is coming from the right place. Um,
what was the other one the most annoying, most annoying
or least favorite thing? Well, one time she was tearing
magazine pages out of a magazine when we were on
a cruise. Shape room that was as big as a
closet and I was trying to sleep and I could
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hear her tearing papers. So I can't make the story work.
But um, we don't deal well, I don't. We don't
like to disagree. There's a there's very few times when
we disagree. But when we do disagree, Judy will her
throwback line will be does that make sense, like I
don't agree with you? Blah blah blah blah blah. Does
that make sense meaning I don't agree with you, Kelly?
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Does that make sense? Your least favorite, most annoying? Mine?
Kind of my favorite thing about Kelly is how organized
she is, and sometimes that's my most my least favorite,
because she's so organized and I'm not, and I'm a
mess and I just kind of fly through things and
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she's I can get fixated. She does, Yeah, I know,
But I love that about her because it keeps everyone
on track. There's nothing that falls through the holes. Let
me just make Judy feel comfortable. Tornado makes me. The
girls are always prepared, and I think that's what makes
me the happiest. When they're so prepared that they're not
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you don't have to worry about any Yeah, they they
don't have to worry about anything. She gives them a
fresh calendar every week and everything's laid out on it
and they know what to expect. And I think that's
her best quall decide. She makes me laugh. Well, favorite
memory you guys got twenty nine years? Okay plus no
team there's that is an entire book. But I will
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tell you one funny same thing. Cruise ship. Judy and
I were scouting you. It's probably me. No, my phone's
off over there in your purse. You want me to
grab it? Yeah, take your headphones off. But I'm going
to talk about the cruise ship and the shoes stand by.
Oh when I hope y'all understand. What's your favorite memory?
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My favorite Kelly memory? Yeah, one of my favorite memories
was winning the Super Bowl and us running onto the field.
What was the song that was playing? Celebration? Celebration cooling
the game and hands in the air. And I'm not
easily one to whoop it up. No, not at all,
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not at all, and I think we whooped it up
on the field that night. I was exciting. What was that?
What super Bowl was that? That was the first one?
It's for us? Super Bowl twenty seven. Did you see
look at her. To help me with the answer, Kelly,
you want me to to tell the Rose in Italy story,
sunset sunrise story, or the shoes on the balcony shoes
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on the ballot. Okay. So we were scouting from a
cruise liner and Judy and I had a room that
was no bigger than this table. And she packs a lot.
I pack a little. Now she packs a lot. And
shoes is something that is a must. So anyway, long
story short is we didn't have enough room in our
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room for our sup k ourselves and our shoes. So
Jude and I went out on the patio that was
an interior deck of a ship and thought it a balcony. Wow,
this is a balcony. It's all cute and pretty and sparkly.
And look at these shelves. We can put her shoes
on all these shelves. So we got like the Kardashians,
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We got all of our shoes and lined them up, shoes, shoes,
shoes outside outside, on the outside of our room, but
on the balcony that was visible to everybody, And we
were so we were so excited. It just were so proud.
We had no cheerleaders, we had no kids. We had
no husband's organizations. It was a girl thing. Yeah and
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organized and anyway. About an hour later we got a
call from the captain's office asking us to please remove
the clutter of shoes that was on our balconies. Really yeah, yeah,
but then where'd you put him? Throw them away? We
brought them back in our room and then continued to
live in cramped quarters. I think it was funnier when
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you let it happen. Yeah, it's better than my cruise story.
I can just picture of these who just cackle into
each other. Oh, we cackled for years. We every now
and then we still cackled. Do you ever say remember
that time and you say one word and then both
of you just die laughing. I just said it roses sunset.
The sunset was good. Let's hear the sunset. Okay, but
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we don't have to go into the roses. But we
can have the sunset, roses off sunset. These stories are hard.
Judy and I had gone on a USO tour. We
were in Italy. We were so excited once again to
get to have just a girl moment and it's and
we wanted to have the coffee. We were going to
go have cheese, wine, shop, enjoy one day of Italy
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before we had to fly back to Dallas. And when
we did, we went back to our room. Um, it
was she she was taking a shot. We're to take
a little nap then wake up for sunset. Took her nap.
Judy wakes up. She's taken her shower. Beautiful sky's orange,
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pink red. We're ready. We're gonna start with coffee, then
we're gonna shop. Then we're gonna cheese and Italian food,
and then wine and walk and you know, do what
they do in movies. And I looked at the clock
and I called. I called down because I couldn't for
some reason. I called the desk downstairs. And it was
not seven pm. It was seven am. We weren't looking
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at sunset. We were looking at sun rise. We'd slept
our entire day, our entire fantasy day of Italian bliss.
We'd slept the entire day. We thought it was the
evening and we still had an evening and a day left,
and we slept our entire free time time. Not we
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were just totally fatigued from a USO tour. That is awesome.
It was pretty funny. That is great. Well okay, and
she was in the shower and when she came out
as like Judy, that ain't sunset, that's sunrise and today
as already tomorrow. We missed it. It's awesome that you
both missed it, not just one of the I don't
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know how long we slept. If one goes down, they
go down to we collapsed. I got a question CMT
making the team thirteen seasons? How did that? How did
that show come to be? What's the backstory there? Well,
I remember this, you tell me. I mean Judy's fault. Oh,
actually kind of, there's two parts of this. At the
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time reality shows we're starting to hit the market and
we were getting different offers to do this than that,
and we said no to all of them. And HBO
was doing hard knocks on the Cowboys, and Stephen Jones
office called me and said, they want to do one
little act act. You know, they're covering the players for
the summer, but they want to do one act on
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one cheerleadle rehearsal. So okay, they came out, they filmed
one rehearsal and Judy was she was in Judy's she
was screaming at the cheerleaders. One of the cheerleaders in
particular was named Julie, and Judy was hollering Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie.
Julie had gone down with an injury and yells across
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the field step over. Anyway, it was just kind of
a brutal night, and I think that I think the
Hard Knocks people were like, WHOA. We also were working
out with Jay Johnson and that was a real tough workout.
I think they were just kind of taken back by it.
Look at look at this gold mine here circus. So
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they did their little bit and then I got a
call from Steven's office the next week and said they
want more HBO. So it was after that exposure that
some of our offer letters came men much more seriously.
And we got one from a gentleman named Eugene Pack
and he was a writer and developer of shows. And
I took his seriously because he had worked with the
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Miss America pageant and I knew that he kind of
understood protecting a brand and protecting the ladies within the brand.
And so we had a meeting and we felt really
good about it, and we you know, we finally vetted
through all the different opportunities and we thought CMT as
a network was a good place to be and it
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has been and that's how it started. Wow, thirteen years later,
is it too Yellen still telling people? I said, keep going,
keep going, But what she meant was step over exactly.
So tell us about things. I don't even think we're
going to take a break. I think we're just going
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to keep rolling. But I do have a question. As
it too soon to ask about a season fourteen? It
probably it is too soon to ask. I know there
are whispers of interest. Is that fair? That's fair? That's
an answer? Is it? Yeah? Answer? Or no? What are
some cool things? Tell us? I know you guys are
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behind the scenes. You probably if you come out here
during December and you watch the Christmas Show, you cannot
appreciate how much work goes into this thing. Ted Barnett,
shout out to you hard, shout out to Meredith, everybody
that puts you guys, everybody that puts time and energy
into this thing. Cowboys, Christmas Spectator. Ted started working on
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this I think in October, and like his life has been,
he hates Santa Claus. Now he's you know he's angry
at Santo, but no, it's last year was great. This
year is going to be even bigger and better. Some
of the stuff y'all are doing is just kind of insane.
So one tell us how that idea came about, and
then how it's developed this year, and then kind of
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when it starts. I'm want to say one more thing
about Kelly. What I like about her is that she
dreams big and it comes to play with her telling
the story, and when she has a dream or a vision,
she doesn't give up until it happens with the Barbie.
The Christmas Show, thank you welcome. It's exhausting. It's exhausting
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to be so creative and wonderful. Now the Christmas Show
kind of has been a dream of mine. I've always
wanted our answer to Rockefeller Center and or the Rockets always.
I've always believed in it, and the Star became that
even more when we found out we were moving here
and I wanted to Christmas in a holiday show. And
so long story short, in typical Charlotte form, I'd been
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lobbying for a Christmas show for years, and then she
poked her head out of an office one day and
she goes, hey, Kelly, by the way, dad wants to know,
are we gonna do the Christmas show this year? That
was in October. We had our last year. Yes, I
think we had our first Christmas meeting like October twenty third,
and we hear of just about a month. We had
about a month to put together an eighteen minute holiday
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show outside on the turf. We thought the audience would sit,
they stood. We had custom scored music, made choreography, and
the show started the day after Thanksgiving, the day after
a Thanksgiving game, and it was fabulous, amazing. It was
another crime moment for me because it was we were
all very proud, and the girls got to dance every Friday,
(31:29):
every Saturday. The crowd was amazing, and it's it's going
to be even bigger and better. So this year is
year number two. And let me stop you right there.
For people that don't do production and aren't on creative
projects and don't work in that world, to put together
a project this big and this size and this scale,
with dancing and music and lights and ribbon boards and
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all this stuff in a month is that is almost insane.
Trying one making that a goal, and then two actually
being able to pull it off and it look as
great as it did, So kudos to everybody that was
involved in that, our whole crew, from security to broadcast,
and you mentioned Ted, all the video music, of course,
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the dancers. It's got our show. Now here's my pitch.
This year, it's a twenty minute show, two minutes longer.
We have a new piece. It's called Electric Cowgirl, and
that's the new piece, and the girls are going to
be in costumes that have led lights that are choreographs,
so that's gonna be cool. So it's like the light
parade at Disney Disney the main Street Electrical I've seen
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that maybe, But the music is amazing. It's all kind
of electric guitars. So it's the most electric, electrifying holiday
show the season. There's my pitch. The music is being
composed as we speak, and that's super cool to be
a part of that. And Ted, like you mentioned, actually,
Ted's been working on graphics for our main board and
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our pylons since August and Santa Claus is a part
of those boards, as well as a lot of footage
of the cheerleaders and our other entertainers. We have our
entire game day cast in the show, we have Rowdy,
we have Big Rob and his elves. This year we
have Rhythm and Blue, the Rookie Crew, we have obviously
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the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. And then the big moment is
Santa Claus comes every night, and this year we will
also have a celebrity guest. Every night, a celebrity guest
like a Jason Witten will come and help light the
Christmas tree. The tree is new this year and it
is totally wrapped in LED, so the tree itself will
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dance with lights and is musically choreographed so animated. Yes,
you will see figures on the tree. It's kind of
like when they project onto No no, no, well it's
not a project Disney or something like on the castle.
It's not a projection. It's actually the lights in the
trees programmed LED light. It's more like, you know, the
piece of art when you walk in entry E at
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the stadium to the right, the play that's running on
all the balls that hang down. Probably it's probably it's
probably like that it moves around the tree and yeah,
but it's so what's wonderful about the show is it
involves every department and everybody within the Cowboys organization. It's free.
It's every Friday and Saturday night at six o'clock. And
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it was it really was magical because it was there
were a lot of families and when Santa walks by,
you get to just relive that magic when you see
the kids were on like parents shoulders and you get
to see those faces light up, and it's just it's
just magical, that's my word. And when does it start?
Do we know the dates? The day the Friday after Thanksgiving,
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which is November twenty what see it? Horror calendar? Can
look it up? Is it not on one of your
king notes? No? I know, Friday November twenty third, and
that's one day after our Thanksgiving Day halftime. Let's talk
about that, okay, but we gotta time it quick because
then we got to get to the Yeah we have
let's see, we'll give you two minutes Thanksgiving a halftime.
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Megan train or t R A I N O R
don't want to misspell that. Well about that base all
about it, and we're excited and that it's gonna be
all fun, it's gonna be pop, it's gonna be damned.
This is the first poppy when you've had you had
a couple of country guys the last couple of years, right,
and this is the first first pop in a while, yeah,
since pit Bull maybe? Well picture Selena so I mean
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Selene gums? Yeah, yeah, be something different. They're doing that.
They're doing they're talking, she said, Selene. Yeah, stuck on
Selena and Selendi on the other day too. I'm just
gonna stop on that, all right. And one other thing
before we get into the fun stuff. Uh My calls
my boots again this year we're doing it right, Yes
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we are, and Miss Courtney's champion, championing that pressure. Yeah,
so what can we expect out of that? Bigger and
better than tell everybody a little bit about what that is,
like what we're doing with the boots? Who wants to
take that whatever? Aren't you tired of hearing from me? No,
you're you guys are the stars? Yeah? I like hearing.
(36:07):
You've got IMDb pages, do you? Um? Okay? So each
the players have my cause, my cleats yea, and they
they they design a shoe that is symbolic of a
cause that the players um are means something to each players.
(36:27):
So our answer to that, and I think it was
Corey Miller and y'all's idea initially right, just Corey's idea,
I think, for the boots and everything. And then we said, hey,
let's make it a bigger deal than just a game
day deal, and let's turn it into right, something big
on social and digital. And so the idea was to
take the boot with our traditional game day silver star
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and do my cause my boot. And and we asked,
Luke Casey, is there any chance you guys could take
that silver leather star gets swatches of any color that matches,
is any cause that the cheerleaders support that means something
to each one of them personally, and make these custom
boots by oh, I don't know, a couple of weeks.
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We have short deadlines. I was gonna say, if you've
never worked with Kelly, this is my least favorite thing
about Kelly. There's so many great things. My least favorite
thing is when Kelly has one of these great ideas,
usually fland to day tomorrow. It's a normally you would
expect it to take. Okay, it's gonna take ten weeks
to get this, No, well we need it next week. Yeah,
So it's always oh my god, here it isn't. It's
(37:31):
usually a one o'clock an idea, one o'clock in the
morning email and hey, can we make this happen by
what's today? Thursday? Yeah, Tuesday? Yeah, so yeah, great ideas
come quickly. So anyway, Luke Casey Randy still at lu
Casey said yes we can, And so all the girls
pick their personal causes and they chose causes from autism
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to cancer, to Down syndrome to domestic violence that meant
something to them personally they had had personal experiences with it.
Luke Casey sent us swatches of leather colors and they
made personal boots for every cheerleader. So each girl wore
in the game her own pair of boots. Was beautiful,
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it was amazing. And then after the game they kept
one one of the boots for themselves and cool. Then
they we sent the mate of that pair to the
national headquarters, headquarters of the Choice Philanthropy, and they use
those for fundraisers and for example, like Madeline is going
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to New York with her boot and making a speech
on behalf of Down syndrome while she presents her boots.
Oh that's so cool. Yeah, that's so cool, And we'll
do a whole video feature and social media piece on
all of them again this year December. When we say
at ninth that was another night that made us cry,
I'm like, I actually thought that was the most impactful
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thing we did last season and one of the best
things we've done in a long time. And Courtney made us.
Courtney made us look good. Let it go, Courtney, Yes,
thank you. It was Now the fun stuff. Do you
have anything else you need to touch on before because
this is going to take the rest of the kind
of worried about this. We've talked Final Nights to Night
on CMT ten ninth Central, We've talked Megan Trainer Thanksgiving,
(39:17):
and we've talked Christmas Cowboys Christmas Spectacular November twenty three
and might cause my boots and might cause my boots?
So what else is there to talk about this? So
let me set this up because this was it was
a joke. This was a joke on one of our
shows and one of the one of the ladies. Do
we like surprises, No, it's not that bad. It's not
that bad. One of the ladies. Do you remember, We'll
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keep him anonymous. They said they had the great idea
that you guys, when Kelly and Judy come on because
we told him we were trying to get you on
the showy, should you all you should let all of
us ask them questions? But anonymously? Which wait, this is
from the cheers from the current squad. Gosh, So normally
the cheerleaders are all sweet to each other and nice
(40:00):
notes in the booth, but these are filled with question
anonymous questions that Kelly and Judy have to answer. So
let's do it rapid my gosh, I'm starting. They're anonymous.
No no, no reason to go into deep detail or anything.
We'll take turns quart Okay, I always see the handwriting
no no. So the first one is this, Wait, how
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do we decide who answers? Uh? Thinks of it first? Yeah?
Do you guys coordinate outfits on CMT No, be honest,
And it happened more than once this year, and we
would just look at each other like, think we coordinated?
I did this on purpose? Sell me? I thank you, Samon.
By the way, thank you, thank you Mark Brown for
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the shout out too. Do you know Mark Brown, Angela's husband.
Apparently he watches this show, because he just texted me
and said, Samon looks really good on you. Thank you?
All right, No, we don't coordinate, but we kept crashing
on colors this year. What was your first job? Ooh?
My first job was cleaning houses and pulling weeds in
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Texas and my lemonade stand. And I charged a dollar
an hour to pull weeds and clean houses. Dollar. How
old were you? I'm third grade. Lemonade was twenty five
cents and forty cents for a big red cello cup.
That's great. How about you, Judy? I worked at John's
Jeans Value mall as like a salesperson. R I P.
Valuebue mall right now it's scary happy, It's very scary. Okay,
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here's the next one. Kelly, this is for you. How
many times do you text, call, or email Judy a day?
She's so bad she doesn't answer texts. I'm maybe maybe
it depends. It really depends on the situation, but I'd
say ten. Ten is your is your text font? Still? Like? Yes? Huge?
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Everybody can read what we write a huge font? Oh no, no,
the good one? Do your best in person nation of
a cheerleader from each pledge class. So well, I'm from Kentucky.
I know who that is. And I'm just sweet. Do
everything right. I was being lazy. I was trying to
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have big guys, But I'm happy, guys. Did I hear
y'all say earlier? This is her last year? Sadly so,
she said, She said on the show, She's one of
my favorites. She's so awesome. Did you cry during A
Star Is Born? And what parts? Okay? Yes? And yes?
I cried, hmm, I cried, well, wow, I cried when
(42:41):
Lady Gaga sang for the first time live She's sang shallow.
I cried a moment. There's a moment with the dog.
I obviously cried at the end. What else were our
tear moments? Just the last twenty minutes. I cried so
much that my face was just ridiculously puffy. I'm gonna
have to watch that one. I don't want to cry
(43:03):
in public. And it's okay? Is then you hear everybody
else in the theater? Yeah? But and I'm gonna go
back for the third time. She went twice to cry,
You've already been twice going back again. Yeah, Kelly's a
movie critic. We could do a movie podcast. We should.
I just saw First Man yesterday. That's a good one. Yes,
you'd like it. That's with Ron Goslin. Yeah, I love him.
(43:26):
Crush Yeah, man crush. If you want a man crush,
say hello to Bradley Cooper. Yeah, yeah, he's okay. Okay,
Who do you think is the funniest on the team?
Because Cher is funny, I've hear from the locker room.
We don't see a lot of it. Oh, I can't
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say it's a new girl because Sharon is funny. I
think somebody from Hawaii's gigly. But I didn't say that
because we don't know if she's made it yet or not.
Same with the girl I'm thinking is kind of funny,
same person, no long home, but we can't say it.
We have a very funny rookie this year. Okay, all right,
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next question, we'll answer that next time. Did you ever
play sports in school? Yes, golf, I've seen Kelly. You
still play swing. I play in the Cowboys tournament and
I was the district champion in Lindell, Texas. That trophy. Nice.
What about you, Judy? No, no sports. Always dance, always dance.
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That's a sports. Sure? Yeah? Agree? Did you dancing growing
up in Lindell? We twirled okay, twirl girl, And yes,
what else would it be? Twirling stick? I didn't know
if you just twirled around like like spinning, I don't know,
Partney in small town in East Texas, in small towns
(44:54):
back of the day, twirling was the thing and my
band was the thing, and I wanted to be a
major at so I twirled and then I actually started
my dance, my real dance in college at TCU. So
you didn't like take classes. I took little jazz class
in Tyler Jazz, but nothing major technical. So everybody listening,
the director of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader didn't grow up
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technically trained, right, correct, So you can do anything. It's
never too late. It's never too late. Okay, what do
you think is the hardest part of training camp for
a TCC? For me, I think coming in front of us,
because I really they do well until they get in
front of us, and then they fall apart A lot
(45:39):
of times. I read a lot of comments and the
schedule on the social post and we shared some onto
Dallas Cowboys Social and most of the comments were those
who are the most intimidating or scariest people in the
Dallas Cowboys organization. I was like, that's amazing, and you
know that's so unfair because we're we're pulling for them,
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but it just it is what it is. Being intimidating
is a good thing. We don't try to be at all.
You know what, y'all are the equivalent of Rod Marinelli.
You know why because he loves his guys and he
loves them and he gives them books and he tries
to make them better men and better people, and he's
really pulling for all of them, but he challenges them. Hammer. Yeah,
(46:24):
out on the practice field, he's like a field general
and he not that y'all cuss, but he will dog
cuss him and screams at him and yells at him.
But they respect him because they know he wants the
best for him and he's only doing that to try
to make them better people. Same with y'all, Like you
sometimes come off with this hard exterior and like you
don't care, But the reason why you're that way is
because you do care, and you you know you care
(46:47):
so much that you have to you can't crack. That's
right way to sum it up, right, all right, dog cuss?
Oh this is good. Yea very Lousi d ah, this
is great. You might have to we might have to
skip a question. You might to think about those one
what my boots my calls color? Would you pick him? Why? Red?
(47:09):
For Alzheimer's for my dad? Okay, h M, I gotta
think about that, think about it. That's a tough one.
Or okay, you need to ask that one diabetes for
my mom and I don't know what color that diabetes
is also red? Is it double whammy there? You maybe Alzheimer's.
(47:31):
We're not sure what took Polly to heaven, but she
I mean, my grandmother lived to be a hundred, but
she was starting to kind of get They called it
sundowner syndrome. Is that part of the Alzheimer's getting starting? Dementia?
Dementia demi opeaking of diabetes. Someone actually asked this question
on social media. They asked if any cheerleader has ever
had diabetes? I saw that too, and the type one diabetes.
(47:56):
I don't think so. I don't think we've ever had
a cheerleader that not that I'm aware of now. Raylyn
one of our guests country music artists that came and
visited the cheerleaders um was hers type one. Yeah, she was,
she has to wear they she she was public about
it and vocal about it. Yes, very honest about it
(48:16):
and discussed it with the cheerleaders. You or me, Judy.
How many pairs of shoes do you own? Good question? Yes? Estimate?
I don't know. Hundreds Oh yeah, no, yes, yes, absolutely
so it's in the hundreds. Well I don't know. That
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means yes, yeah, we have some old ones that I
need to get rid of it. Nobody wants. Okay, can
you guys really not tell Rachel Amali apart. I can
tell them apart. They look so different. But sometimes at
our age, our vision is bad, and when they're far away,
you just yell at one name. It's like calling my kids.
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I call five names before I get to the right name.
I always do hear Molly and Rachel. Sorry. What's your
most embarrassing story as a DCC. My most embarrassing story
was director and it was last year's Christmas show. Oh
I think that was a nursing home giggle of I
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ever heard one? Um it was good and it was
opening night and I went downtown to the Christmas sweater
store and bought two very expensive Christmas sweaters. But they
were folded in half on the table, and so I
saw that going with these days, now this is the truth.
(49:48):
So it was folded and I bought it because it was,
you know, fancy and expensive and I knew it was
high quality and it was folded. I got one for
me and one for Steve Dallam, our co creator on
The Christmas Show, and I put mine on and I
brought him his. We were wearing it for opening night
and I was prancing around and putting up stanchions for
the show and taking pictures with people and getting everything
all show ready. And we did the show and Steve
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had a sweater on and I had my sweater on,
and you know, life was good. And it wasn't until
we had our cheerleader's Christmas party and the sweaters were
red and green and had reindeer on them. It wasn't
till our cheerleader's private Christmas party that the girls gave
me Christmas socks that were naughty Christmas socks. And I
kind of looked at it like okay, and they're like,
(50:31):
that's to match your sweater. And so then it became
a big joke that apparently my Christmas sweater that I
never really studied closely. My reindeer were mating on my
Christmas sweater and I never knew it. And there's pictures
of me and that sweater everywhere, and the girls knew
it the whole time. Nobody told me. Best came up
(50:53):
to me and she was like, does she know? Tell you?
But you were in concentration and I probably took the
wrong opportunity and let you know, that's your reindeer. We're
not dancing my reindeer. We're doing more than dancing. And
so anyway that I wore it and I'm gonna wear
it again this year. It's tradition imagined now, but it
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was to look out for the sweater that is so awesome.
You kind of answered this earlier. Do you two ever fight?
And how do you diffuse the situation? We only have
a couple of minutes. Judy kind of goes quiet on me.
We both kind of go quiet. We just don't like
to disagree. We really don't disagree that often. And if we,
I think maybe two or three times in our twenty
(51:38):
eight seventy so you've never gotten like in a rule
never no all, that's screaming match no no, if anything
we go kind of silent. She can sometimes get stubborn.
I don't like to change my ways. Yeah, she doesn't
like change. I don't like change. Okay, if you could
take the girls on a trip in all caps anywhere,
where would you take them? That's somebody campaigning for a
(52:02):
trip Africa Australia and catch the sun run, actually see
the sunset, and have some pizza. We didn't get anything
ven All right, A couple more questions and we got
to get out of here. Judy, do you really use
pantine on your hair? That's it? How all the fans
(52:24):
want to panteen conditioner? Okay, I'll ask this, but this
is a probably the most asked band question, so I
have to get to it. Why does Judy sit on
a stool and Kelly get a nice comfy chair with arms?
That's not by our choice? The stool. They tried to
change it on me this year, but like we said,
I don't like changes, and I went back to the
(52:45):
wooden one. It's just become tradition now. Yeah, in fact,
this is making me uncomfortable because normally I sit on
that side of you and we're resides. It doesn't this
feel weird? Yeah, it does. I don't know. It's just
the first time she I was in my office chair
and Judy just pulled up a stool and we just
kind of did that at first, and then it stuck,
and then it became expected, and then once you do
something so many times, you kind of it's part of
(53:07):
the formula. Now her stool's famous. It is, Oh my god,
we should put that in the Smithson. But she does
have a mute button on it. When things go uncomfortable,
Judy hits her mute button. Kelly Dark all right, two
more questions. Judy, is your favorite emoji? The iroll emoji?
What's the I'm no my favorite one? Is that? What's
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n iroll emode? Like? No? Side eye? Maybe side eye?
All right? Maybe two more? Where will calendar be? We
are talking about that right now we're revisiting um Riviera.
Now you're eat which is the Portabarda area. We're revisiting
(53:50):
the Bimini area. And right now we're kind of watching
all this hurricane activity as well. So it's it's in discussions,
but nothing is same time frame. This year's last year.
I think we're gon we're gonna we're gonna shoot it.
Earlier this year, probably March, trying to get out, well know,
the week before, and she'll say, Judy be radio, That's
not true. You know, I'm a planner. You know I've
(54:11):
been trying to play this thing already. Is that because
of the weather? Yeah? Last last year and auditions? Yeah,
and there's so many movie moving parts. I'm gonna try
to make it this year. I was so hurt that
I even get to go, Like, I know had project,
we had that. Yeah, we had that big, great reorger.
I just needed to be here really paining my soul.
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We'll trying to make it this year, all right. Last question,
what do you eat drink during deliberations during deliberations at auditions? Yeah,
those crunchy snacks that have cal peanut butter. Yes, at
the stadium. Those we actually feed our judges a lot
(54:57):
because we're there. It's it's like a sixteen hour day
at each addition round for the judges, and so we
have breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the stadium provided by Legends.
So it's pretty yummy. Um. But to munch on, we
always munch on those pretzels. There's actually multiple of the
same question in here. Okay, I want to ask one
(55:17):
more and drink coffee and water, soda, lots of coffee. Um. Oh,
there's so many good ones. This is actually a great
Would you ever change the song for pregame? You know,
we used to do a different pregame routine every game
(55:38):
and it was a lot, a lot of material for
the girls to learn. Yeah, I don't know, I don't
it's I like that it's kind of a call to
action and people know that when thunderstrike comes on you, yeah,
let's go about start. Yeah. Yeah, I will tell you
this all the And I've said this on other show.
(56:00):
Go around the stadiums and I always check out that
sounds really bad, check out the cheerleaders. But I'm always
watching like the you know, the the choreography and the
uniforms and and hands down, you guys do the best job.
Around the league. We'll see sometimes I'll see Jeremiah or
or Carry or somebody. I'll be like, do you see
that dance routine? I'm like, can you imagine Kelly and
(56:22):
Judy telling the girls to do stuff like And I'm
like no, but y'all, hands down do the best job.
There's actually a few teams that have started dancing to
Thunderstruck either during the game or after the game. The
Chiefs now do it, I think pregame. So yeah, so
they're starting to everybody's taking notes and ripping you guys off.
So it's but you guys, you guys do a great job.
(56:42):
And you know, I'm so glad y'all came on the show.
I've really got like we could have made the show
three hours and it wented their long lay. So Courtney,
I gotta go catch a flight. Put fun. Finally, Oh
what are y'all doing during the bye week? I'm mate? Rest, Yeah,
prepare for Christmas and start wrapping presents. Since our holidays
(57:06):
are over, mate, head on down to A and M
and catch my first Aggy game. Oh what about you, Judy?
I think I have the grandkids. Oh fun? Yes, where
do you do in? Shannon? I'm either going Caitlin that
used to work with you guys. Her family has a
suite for the Chiefs. I might go up there and
watch the Broncos Chiefs game, but I kind of just
(57:27):
want to be lazy. Yeah, and my one weekend away
from football, I kind of don't want to go watch
more football, so I haven't decided, I gotta decide to
hurry him decide. So Courtney put another date on their
calendar so we can get them, you know what, maybe
right before Christmas to talk about the Christmas extravaganza to
kick it off. There we go, Let's do this again.
This was awesome. Thanks Courtney, Thank you, Kelly, Thank you Kelly,
(57:50):
thank you William, thank you Presley, thank you, can't thank
to everybody that was involved. Thank you Current DCC for
submitting questions. Yea, we will be back ten nine Central,
Yes tonight. Tune in and check out the website. All
the new stuff will be out Central and our first
rookie show next week. I can't tell who they are,
but two rookies and we'll be back next week with
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the official podcast of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. No, your hosts,
Courtney McKenna and Shannon gross Man oh Man. I don't
know if I have ever been excited for a DCC
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podcast before. God, I'm always happy, I'm always and I
always enjoy it. But I don't know if I've ever
been excited. I'm always excited. This has been a year
in the making. I feel like I have been asking
non stop for a year and I've been getting the
heisman for at least a year since we've had this podcast.
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The last time that Kelly finn Glass Welcome to the show.
First off, Kelly Finn Glass Glass and Judy Trammell. Yeah.
I think the last time Kelly was on the air
with us was over in the studio when we were
doing promos when this was first launched. No, we had
Kelly on a show, Yeah, on before or after Smithsonian.
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This is Judy's first time, I first time Welcome Judy.
Judy's a boots virgin. Can I say that? Yeah? Absolutely.
This is the Internet. You can say whatever you want.
There's no dump. But so just I told you the
magic answer was to send me an outlook appointment. Okay,
well are we not better? Ski, Yeah, Judy, Judy was like,
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I'm not doing unless Kelly's doing. Kelly was like a
by myself. Judy's a chicken. Tell her to do it
by herself. You can hold a conversation with us for
an hour, Yeah I can. I've got some stories, hell
us all of them. We We're gonna save an entire
the entire last segment. We have a special treat for
you guys, and it lives, it lives in that boot.
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So huh huh. Yeah. And by the way, if you
if you're just listening to the audio, go back and
look at the video, because Kelly is more prepared than anyone.
It looks like a game show over there in front
of her, all right, those are all her ten every day.
This is where this is my um, this is my
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comfort place is being organized and prepared. So yes, I
went back and watched ten thirteenth episode because I wanted
to make sure I didn't miss any of the highlights.
In case you asked me about the last episode that's
airing to well, usually do that at the end, but
let's so just to make sure we get this in
because tonight it's a very big night on DCC making
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the team. It's this season finale. How many team is made?
How many? How many seasons? Is this thirteen seasons? This
was thirteen And we're unveiling the squad officially on the
internet and social media tonight when the show airs, right,
squad photo comes out tonight? What time is that? Well,
some things will happen in the middle of the show
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when the rookies are officially announced that they're on the team,
they will start live tweeting with everybody. So make sure
you go to Twitter and follow all the rookies and
interact with them because I'm sure they're so excited to
talk with everybody and just tell you their story and
their experience getting here. And then at the end of
the show, the squad photo is officially revealed, So squad
photo will go live on the website, the new bios
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and rosters, everything. We see your comments. We know you're like,
where's the new roster, Shantell's mom on the team anymore?
We know, but we were holding out. But it'll be
there tonight, William, no pressure on you over there behind
that wall. Yeah, William's got all the secrets in the
vault and they unleashed tonight. The show starts at nine
pm Central. It will be good, and I think about
nine twelve, nine to fifteen is when we're William's going
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to start opening the vault with the Twitter accounts and
the new bios and the new team photos. Central time. Right. Yes,
by the way, pull our two poles up that we
put up. I want to see what the results of
those were on Twitter and Facebook. I don't know if
I can go old. Yeah, we were talking about I
was talking about on the show how we just need
to talk about everything in real time in courtwne. He
was like, no, let's don't spoil it. And then I said,
I guarantee you if people listen to the show, they
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know who already know who's on the squad through message
boards and all that. So we put a pole upon
the last time. I would love to know what people want.
It's kind of the chicken or the egg, which what's first.
We obviously know who made the team, but we also
people don't want spoilers, so we don't know what to do.
It wasn't as polarizing as I thought. I'm trying to
find out. I don't remember what we we tweet a
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lot in a week or two. Well, let's get into this,
let's get into the show. Make sure we get that
all in. So what can we expect? Is there any
can you pull the curtain back? Can you give us
a teaser that doesn't give too much away on what
happens tonight? Well, tonight is the last practice before our
first game. We have thirty eight ladies in training camp
and we're still have two cuts left. So you can
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see the pressure in me and Judy and our actions
and emotions. So two cuts tonight, two cuts, then the
team announcement. I would say that this last office visit
that we have is probably not sound like Chris Harrison
of the Bachelor, but it's probably the most dramatic season
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cut that I've experienced. And it's hard to watch. It's hard.
It's hard. I watched it, and um, it was hard
to be there. You can tell by my expressions, I
was youwich like stone cold silent. She I've decided that
she has a mute button in her stool because when
things get tough, I st I obviously can't I'm talking,
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and it's very uncomfortable and Judy. I see her now
I watch the show, and her hand touches her cheek
and then it touches her mouth, and then she just
goes down. And I didn't realize she's like covered, like
Darth Vader, just totally masked down while I'm trying to
get through this hoping they don't see you. Yeah, you
hide behind your hair and they no one knows you're there.
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I just hide hide behind your secrets. I've always said
she hides behind the curtain of hair. But anyway, that
that happens tonight and in the bright spots in the
show are the final team announcement. You get to see
the ladies who made the team called home and call
their moms and dads. You get to see our meet
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the Team event where they perform in front of their
families and friends and employers and co workers for the
first time. You get to see them receive their uniform
for the first time. And then the huge payoff is
the first game. So it has a great, very powerful payoff.
Ending so very dramatic and a lot upsetting in this episode,
but also ends on a very high note with a
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lot of happy thoughts. In roller coaster ey emotions if
I say so, I'm trapped in a glass case of emotion. Yes, yes, okay,
it's tough. I wrote down I cried ten times watching
this episodes. Yeah, ten tier moments. I wanted to ask,
can we break down? Wait before we go? Can we
break down the tier moments? Yeah? Okay, let give something away? Okay,
which Q card is that on? This is the cry?
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This is tier points people who are listening and not
watching the life. I do not. There are ten pieces
of paper now, y'all come, I don't pick on me
for being prepared early nine. I'm not picking on you.
It's amazing that one's double sided. Okay. So, um I
cried at the last cut. It's it's painful to watch.
I cried when we finally announced because it's it's joyful
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to watch. Um I cried when we gave the rookie
sixteen rookies their new uniforms. Um I. I cried when
the girls called their moms because you could see the
moms on their phones face timing, and I did. I
did too great. Okay, so see we have that one
in common. Um I cried when Judy talks about Lacy
saying her last year Judy gets emotional and that made
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me cry. Then Cashera talks about maybe leaving the team,
which she hasn't told us officially, so that made me cry. Um.
I cried when Brennan. When Brennan does a full interview,
not going to give it away, but she talks about
this being her fourth time to try out, three times
in training camp. Um, I cried about Ashley from Shreveport
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in her backstory. I cried about Taylor and her talking
about wanting to make the team. I'll let you see
if she makes the team, but um kind of her
journey back about losing her father and how that's impacted her.
And then finally at the very end, I cried, um
when I told the girls that they inspire youth. That
made me cry, and then my last tear was happy.
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Now I'm serious, this is it's emotional. And then at
the very end, you revisit Victoria and Dayton and their
experiences through training camp, and that made me cry as well.
Is the show tonight? Now? All this and then there's
happy moments in it as well. I know it's ridiculous.
Maybe I'm just emotional today, but all of those aren't
sad tears, happy tears, so they're happy tears, some of
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them because they're calling the moms. You know that that
that tugged at the mom and me, Yeah, I've gotten
to where the older I get it will happen. Things
make me like that are just dumb, make me emotional,
like I'll be like, what's what's happening to my face?
Why are my eyes watering? And I'm just like life
experiences now, And I guess get you draw from things
in your path, So I wanted to I've always want
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to ask you guys this. I guess this kind of
a two part question. This comes down to cuts and
things like that. So when you when you make cuts,
obviously it has to bother you because you get attached
to certain ladies for certain reasons. And I'm sure that's
a very tough thing for you guys. How long do
you hold on to that? How long does it bother you?
After you make cuts? Do you still think about it?
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And then the second part is do you ever make
cuts and then second guess it down the road and go,
you know what, we maybe we made a rest. Yeah, yes,
during the season sometimes you even things happen and you
look back and think with Brennan in her case, we
cut her last year and there were several times during
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the year we thought, man, Brennan would be killing this
right now and she would shit this so much, and yeah,
we regretted that that moment. How long do you how
long do you do you hold on to stuff? Because
it just it's kind of like, you know, you get
so used to, like with the football team, you don't
get attached to certain players because you know they might
not be here a long time or whatever and things
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like that. But when you when you're going through camp
and you spend so much time with these girls and
they're they're basically you know, half of their day is
spent with you guys, and you have to cut one.
It's a tough decision. How long does that bother you?
Do you try to drop it as fast as you
can and just block it out, or do you struggle
with it? A little bit of all that? I mean,
I agree with Judy and Brennan's case. Her you know,
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she was in training camp twice and we both when
we released her last year, we both mid season last season.
We're both were like, you know, I had second thoughts
about Brennan and so That's why I was so glad
to see her re audition this year to answer a
question about how long. We're moving pretty fast and furious
in training camp, and we have to focus on the
women that are still in training camp. But I'd be
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lying if I didn't say it. I go home and
I'm kind of burdened by it. I go to sleep
thinking about it, I wake up thinking about it. We
come back to the office and you have this team
that you've You've got to move forward, and you have
to have that clarity to move forward. But we were
thinking about Brennan a year later. We're still thinking about
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some of the ladies from training camp right now that
we released. So it stays with you. I mean, it's
got too if you care, and we do. Do you. Ever,
there's a lot of girls that we're in training camp
this past year that are great and could come back
with a little refining and make the team next year
that they and you can't you can't stop thinking about them. Yeah,
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do you hope they do good? There's there's a lot
that I think. Do you think they will? I don't know.
For me, I go back and forth about whether I'd
be so defeated I wouldn't want to come back or
so inspired. I would are you are you ever able
to either through you or through other channels, the ones
that you think have a chance and they just need
to fix certain things, able to reach out to them
and say, hey, don't give up or do you just
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is it up to them whether they come back or not,
because you would think if you see the potential in someone,
you're like, if you could just work on this, do
you ever are you ever able to reach out through
other people or anything, and say, hey, somehow get this
information to them, tell them to come back that don't
give up on the dream. Yet when we have the
this is your final night conversation with them, we tell
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them just that here's what you need to work on,
and we hope you re audition if that's the way
we really feel. And I don't think they hear anything
we say honestly once we start talking, but I will.
I noticed in Brennan's case, she started talking about she
went back to dance classes at Kitty Carter's dance studio,
and Kitty said, I if you think you can handle it,
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I mean, what's the biggest thing to lose? If you
think you can handle it, go for it, and so
she did and she she will see tonight if she
succeeds or not. It seems like to me, and this
may just because I'm more tuned in through doing the
show and stuff, but it seems like there's more and
more girls the last few years that have tried out
multiple times and come back three, four, Christina five times
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and they're not giving up. Do you any idea why
that is why there's like seems to be a little
more Hey, I'm gonna try it again. I'm gonna try
it again. I'm gonna try it again. Has it always
been like that or is that kind of a new thing.
I think that is a result of the TV show.
People ask me all the time, you know, have you
seen any changes in your team from the CMTTV show?
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And I do think that now people believe the comeback
girls story. You've we've seen it in Madeline Brennan helped
me out here, Judy, Christina Kelly. I mean, we have
ladies on our team now that made it the fifth
year they tried out. So it's real, it's real people,
real lives. It really does happen, and just it just
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takes longer for some people and you don't get annoyed.
You're like, oh, she's back again, or are you like
happy that they're back again? In most cases, we're happy.
In most cases, we're happy that they're back again. There
are occasionally some entertaining situations, just first rounders. Yeah, those
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are my favorite. In the first round. Oh yeah, it's
you get everything we're made to z and in between
idol aspiring too, because some know they're not going to
make it, but they do it for the experience. You
know what. There's a lot to be said for that,
because when you do something that you're they tried, yeah,
and it's on national team or you're scared of or
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something you're not sure about, and you do that, it
gives you the confidence a lot of times to do
other things and go, you know, if I can do
that and go basically make a fool of myself knowing
but just going through it and making yourself do something.
I think you should do something and I'm terrible at this,
but like make yourself uncomfortable once a month to uncomfortable, Shannon,
I did hear your podcast with Lexi and Christine and
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where you promise a jump split yet did not I
don't know how that wound up, but you're on you're
on record, okay, And Kelly, I haven't been stretching. I
need to stretch. Put it on master and Christina said, oh,
it only takes a couple of weeks, three weeks. So
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how long does it take, oh my gosh, years for
flexibility to first of all, to get those Monroe Louisiana
hamstrings loosened up. So next time you come on the show,
I should be able to do it. Since it'll be
a year, I'm gonna I'm gonna say, like dumb and dumber,
ninety one percent chance you ain't doing I gotta remember
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how to do the stretch. I gotta get somebody. One
question that a lot of people did ask on social media,
did you guys ever do it? And could you still
do the jump split? Never did it? Can't do it still?
Probably no, we didn't do it In the early eighties.
We weld into our splits. We did high kicks and
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then we slid into the splits. That's the that's the music.
What were doing, Yankee Doodle Danny. So when we slid
into the splits? So when did the jump split become
a thing? When were you like, oh here, I have
a great idea. Great ideas fly into the air and
land in a split. I think it was someone on
the team's idea, like after you year did you retire?
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Eighty nine? The season of eighty eight, so spring of
eighty nine, So in like nineteen nineties, as soon as
we turned in our boots, everybody you know we wore
Go Go boots and our heels were like block heels,
and even just sliding into a split, we broke heels off.
Every game. You had to have extra boots there because
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we even had funny Christmas gifts made with Kelly broken heels.
We made Susanne Mitchell, our director, m a Christmas tree
with all the broken heels. All the ornaments were broken heels.
Such amazing as the ornaments from our beloved Go Go boots.
I've jumped what wouldn't have worked? So tell us the
transition between Go Go boots and Luke Case boots. How
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did that? How did that happen? I think we stepped
out of our Go goes in that first year nineteen
eighty to nine. Right, I've had a couple of years
of transition boots. What does that even mean? Brand mistakes
developmental boots and then we uh we we we knew
we wanted to go western, and I think once we
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finally had a custom made in Texas boot by Luke Case.
Then then we hit the sweet spot and their legendary
there you go. Well to every answer everybody's questions. No
they have never done and no they will never do.
Jump flitts. So someone DMed me and and dcc alum.
Let me pull up the Let me pull up the
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name here. Last name is I guess you Banks? Maybe
miss Misty Bank. Maybe want to know any chance of
getting YouTube back in uniform for a special something, not
unless panel in the front that um missy sized uniform spans.
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But you didn't say no, No, how's that? I don't
like that? We like where we are on. Yeah. I
think it would be fun, though, to do like some
kind of nostalgic TVT. Yeah, some kind of recreate your
iconic shot. Yes, put some extensions in Judy, get your
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nice pig tails. Gosh, I have to go back blonde
and I don't want to do that. No, let me
ask figgs. Let me ask you this. What is what
is your favorite How long have you been together? Like
a married couple. They are married couple twenty nine years. Um,
the math didn't sound right, But this is our twenty
eight squad together, right, I think so? Twenty eight? Wow?
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So what is your favorite thing about the other part
and least or most annoying habit put you on the spot.
My favorite thing is that we can read each other's minds.
It's creepy. They stopped talking and just look at each other. Yeah,
I give her if they don't know the answer to something.
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We have eye contact and I just go. I think
she kicks me. She kicks me under the table, And
I know, shut up, that's your favorite thing. She kicks
me under the table. My favorite thing about Judy is
her loyalty and dedication. I know, I know she's coming
from the right place in her heart. I know there's nobody,
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nobody that cares more about the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders in
Judy Trammel and that that is coming from the right place. Um,
what was the other one the most annoying, most annoying
or least favorite thing? Well, one time she was tearing
magazine pages out of a magazine when we were on
a cruise. Shape room that was as big as a
closet and I was trying to sleep and I could
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hear her tearing papers. So I can't make the story work.
But um, we don't deal well, I don't. We don't
like to disagree. There's a there's very few times when
we disagree. But when we do disagree, Judy will her
throwback line will be does that make sense, like I
don't agree with you? Blah blah blah blah blah. Does
that make sense meaning I don't agree with you, Kelly?
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Does that make sense? Your least favorite, most annoying? Mine?
Kind of my favorite thing about Kelly is how organized
she is, and sometimes that's my most my least favorite,
because she's so organized and I'm not, and I'm a
mess and I just kind of fly through things and
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she's I can get fixated. She does, Yeah, I know,
But I love that about her because it keeps everyone
on track. There's nothing that falls through the holes. Let
me just make Judy feel comfortable. Tornado makes me. The
girls are always prepared, and I think that's what makes
me the happiest. When they're so prepared that they're not
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you don't have to worry about any Yeah, they they
don't have to worry about anything. She gives them a
fresh calendar every week and everything's laid out on it
and they know what to expect. And I think that's
her best quall decide. She makes me laugh. Well, favorite
memory you guys got twenty nine years? Okay plus no
team there's that is an entire book. But I will
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tell you one funny same thing. Cruise ship. Judy and
I were scouting you. It's probably me. No, my phone's
off over there in your purse. You want me to
grab it? Yeah, take your headphones off. But I'm going
to talk about the cruise ship and the shoes stand by.
Oh when I hope y'all understand. What's your favorite memory?
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My favorite Kelly memory? Yeah, one of my favorite memories
was winning the Super Bowl and us running onto the field.
What was the song that was playing? Celebration? Celebration cooling
the game and hands in the air. And I'm not
easily one to whoop it up. No, not at all,
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not at all, and I think we whooped it up
on the field that night. I was exciting. What was that?
What super Bowl was that? That was the first one?
It's for us? Super Bowl twenty seven. Did you see
look at her. To help me with the answer, Kelly,
you want me to to tell the Rose in Italy story,
sunset sunrise story, or the shoes on the balcony shoes
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on the ballot. Okay. So we were scouting from a
cruise liner and Judy and I had a room that
was no bigger than this table. And she packs a lot.
I pack a little. Now she packs a lot. And
shoes is something that is a must. So anyway, long
story short is we didn't have enough room in our
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room for our sup k ourselves and our shoes. So
Jude and I went out on the patio that was
an interior deck of a ship and thought it a balcony. Wow,
this is a balcony. It's all cute and pretty and sparkly.
And look at these shelves. We can put her shoes
on all these shelves. So we got like the Kardashians,
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We got all of our shoes and lined them up, shoes, shoes,
shoes outside outside, on the outside of our room, but
on the balcony that was visible to everybody, And we
were so we were so excited. It just were so proud.
We had no cheerleaders, we had no kids. We had
no husband's organizations. It was a girl thing. Yeah and
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organized and anyway. About an hour later we got a
call from the captain's office asking us to please remove
the clutter of shoes that was on our balconies. Really yeah, yeah,
but then where'd you put him? Throw them away? We
brought them back in our room and then continued to
live in cramped quarters. I think it was funnier when
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you let it happen. Yeah, it's better than my cruise story.
I can just picture of these who just cackle into
each other. Oh, we cackled for years. We every now
and then we still cackled. Do you ever say remember
that time and you say one word and then both
of you just die laughing. I just said it roses sunset.
The sunset was good. Let's hear the sunset. Okay, but
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we don't have to go into the roses. But we
can have the sunset, roses off sunset. These stories are hard.
Judy and I had gone on a USO tour. We
were in Italy. We were so excited once again to
get to have just a girl moment and it's and
we wanted to have the coffee. We were going to
go have cheese, wine, shop, enjoy one day of Italy
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before we had to fly back to Dallas. And when
we did, we went back to our room. Um, it
was she she was taking a shot. We're to take
a little nap then wake up for sunset. Took her nap.
Judy wakes up. She's taken her shower. Beautiful sky's orange,
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pink red. We're ready. We're gonna start with coffee, then
we're gonna shop. Then we're gonna cheese and Italian food,
and then wine and walk and you know, do what
they do in movies. And I looked at the clock
and I called. I called down because I couldn't for
some reason. I called the desk downstairs. And it was
not seven pm. It was seven am. We weren't looking
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at sunset. We were looking at sun rise. We'd slept
our entire day, our entire fantasy day of Italian bliss.
We'd slept the entire day. We thought it was the
evening and we still had an evening and a day left,
and we slept our entire free time time. Not we
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were just totally fatigued from a USO tour. That is awesome.
It was pretty funny. That is great. Well okay, and
she was in the shower and when she came out
as like Judy, that ain't sunset, that's sunrise and today
as already tomorrow. We missed it. It's awesome that you
both missed it, not just one of the I don't
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know how long we slept. If one goes down, they
go down to we collapsed. I got a question CMT
making the team thirteen seasons? How did that? How did
that show come to be? What's the backstory there? Well,
I remember this, you tell me. I mean Judy's fault. Oh,
actually kind of, there's two parts of this. At the
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time reality shows we're starting to hit the market and
we were getting different offers to do this than that,
and we said no to all of them. And HBO
was doing hard knocks on the Cowboys, and Stephen Jones
office called me and said, they want to do one
little act act. You know, they're covering the players for
the summer, but they want to do one act on
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one cheerleadle rehearsal. So okay, they came out, they filmed
one rehearsal and Judy was she was in Judy's she
was screaming at the cheerleaders. One of the cheerleaders in
particular was named Julie, and Judy was hollering Julie, Julie, Julie, Julie.
Julie had gone down with an injury and yells across
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the field step over. Anyway, it was just kind of
a brutal night, and I think that I think the
Hard Knocks people were like, WHOA. We also were working
out with Jay Johnson and that was a real tough workout.
I think they were just kind of taken back by it.
Look at look at this gold mine here circus. So
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they did their little bit and then I got a
call from Steven's office the next week and said they
want more HBO. So it was after that exposure that
some of our offer letters came men much more seriously.
And we got one from a gentleman named Eugene Pack
and he was a writer and developer of shows. And
I took his seriously because he had worked with the
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Miss America pageant and I knew that he kind of
understood protecting a brand and protecting the ladies within the brand.
And so we had a meeting and we felt really
good about it, and we you know, we finally vetted
through all the different opportunities and we thought CMT as
a network was a good place to be and it
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has been and that's how it started. Wow, thirteen years later,
is it too Yellen still telling people? I said, keep going,
keep going, But what she meant was step over exactly.
So tell us about things. I don't even think we're
going to take a break. I think we're just going
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to keep rolling. But I do have a question. As
it too soon to ask about a season fourteen? It
probably it is too soon to ask. I know there
are whispers of interest. Is that fair? That's fair? That's
an answer? Is it? Yeah? Answer? Or no? What are
some cool things? Tell us? I know you guys are
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behind the scenes. You probably if you come out here
during December and you watch the Christmas Show, you cannot
appreciate how much work goes into this thing. Ted Barnett,
shout out to you hard, shout out to Meredith, everybody
that puts you guys, everybody that puts time and energy
into this thing. Cowboys, Christmas Spectator. Ted started working on
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this I think in October, and like his life has been,
he hates Santa Claus. Now he's you know he's angry
at Santo, but no, it's last year was great. This
year is going to be even bigger and better. Some
of the stuff y'all are doing is just kind of insane.
So one tell us how that idea came about, and
then how it's developed this year, and then kind of
(29:56):
when it starts. I'm want to say one more thing
about Kelly. What I like about her is that she
dreams big and it comes to play with her telling
the story, and when she has a dream or a vision,
she doesn't give up until it happens with the Barbie.
The Christmas Show, thank you welcome. It's exhausting. It's exhausting
(30:20):
to be so creative and wonderful. Now the Christmas Show
kind of has been a dream of mine. I've always
wanted our answer to Rockefeller Center and or the Rockets always.
I've always believed in it, and the Star became that
even more when we found out we were moving here
and I wanted to Christmas in a holiday show. And
so long story short, in typical Charlotte form, I'd been
(30:44):
lobbying for a Christmas show for years, and then she
poked her head out of an office one day and
she goes, hey, Kelly, by the way, dad wants to know,
are we gonna do the Christmas show this year? That
was in October. We had our last year. Yes, I
think we had our first Christmas meeting like October twenty third,
and we hear of just about a month. We had
about a month to put together an eighteen minute holiday
(31:07):
show outside on the turf. We thought the audience would sit,
they stood. We had custom scored music, made choreography, and
the show started the day after Thanksgiving, the day after
a Thanksgiving game, and it was fabulous, amazing. It was
another crime moment for me because it was we were
all very proud, and the girls got to dance every Friday,
(31:29):
every Saturday. The crowd was amazing, and it's it's going
to be even bigger and better. So this year is
year number two. And let me stop you right there.
For people that don't do production and aren't on creative
projects and don't work in that world, to put together
a project this big and this size and this scale,
with dancing and music and lights and ribbon boards and
(31:53):
all this stuff in a month is that is almost insane.
Trying one making that a goal, and then two actually
being able to pull it off and it look as
great as it did, So kudos to everybody that was
involved in that, our whole crew, from security to broadcast,
and you mentioned Ted, all the video music, of course,
(32:13):
the dancers. It's got our show. Now here's my pitch.
This year, it's a twenty minute show, two minutes longer.
We have a new piece. It's called Electric Cowgirl, and
that's the new piece, and the girls are going to
be in costumes that have led lights that are choreographs,
so that's gonna be cool. So it's like the light
parade at Disney Disney the main Street Electrical I've seen
(32:36):
that maybe, But the music is amazing. It's all kind
of electric guitars. So it's the most electric, electrifying holiday
show the season. There's my pitch. The music is being
composed as we speak, and that's super cool to be
a part of that. And Ted, like you mentioned, actually,
Ted's been working on graphics for our main board and
(32:58):
our pylons since August and Santa Claus is a part
of those boards, as well as a lot of footage
of the cheerleaders and our other entertainers. We have our
entire game day cast in the show, we have Rowdy,
we have Big Rob and his elves. This year we
have Rhythm and Blue, the Rookie Crew, we have obviously
(33:19):
the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. And then the big moment is
Santa Claus comes every night, and this year we will
also have a celebrity guest. Every night, a celebrity guest
like a Jason Witten will come and help light the
Christmas tree. The tree is new this year and it
is totally wrapped in LED, so the tree itself will
(33:40):
dance with lights and is musically choreographed so animated. Yes,
you will see figures on the tree. It's kind of
like when they project onto No no, no, well it's
not a project Disney or something like on the castle.
It's not a projection. It's actually the lights in the
trees programmed LED light. It's more like, you know, the
piece of art when you walk in entry E at
(34:02):
the stadium to the right, the play that's running on
all the balls that hang down. Probably it's probably it's
probably like that it moves around the tree and yeah,
but it's so what's wonderful about the show is it
involves every department and everybody within the Cowboys organization. It's free.
It's every Friday and Saturday night at six o'clock. And
(34:24):
it was it really was magical because it was there
were a lot of families and when Santa walks by,
you get to just relive that magic when you see
the kids were on like parents shoulders and you get
to see those faces light up, and it's just it's
just magical, that's my word. And when does it start?
Do we know the dates? The day the Friday after Thanksgiving,
(34:44):
which is November twenty what see it? Horror calendar? Can
look it up? Is it not on one of your
king notes? No? I know, Friday November twenty third, and
that's one day after our Thanksgiving Day halftime. Let's talk
about that, okay, but we gotta time it quick because
then we got to get to the Yeah we have
let's see, we'll give you two minutes Thanksgiving a halftime.
(35:05):
Megan train or t R A I N O R
don't want to misspell that. Well about that base all
about it, and we're excited and that it's gonna be
all fun, it's gonna be pop, it's gonna be damned.
This is the first poppy when you've had you had
a couple of country guys the last couple of years, right,
and this is the first first pop in a while, yeah,
since pit Bull maybe? Well picture Selena so I mean
(35:25):
Selene gums? Yeah, yeah, be something different. They're doing that.
They're doing they're talking, she said, Selene. Yeah, stuck on
Selena and Selendi on the other day too. I'm just
gonna stop on that, all right. And one other thing
before we get into the fun stuff. Uh My calls
my boots again this year we're doing it right, Yes
(35:46):
we are, and Miss Courtney's champion, championing that pressure. Yeah,
so what can we expect out of that? Bigger and
better than tell everybody a little bit about what that is,
like what we're doing with the boots? Who wants to
take that whatever? Aren't you tired of hearing from me? No,
you're you guys are the stars? Yeah? I like hearing.
(36:07):
You've got IMDb pages, do you? Um? Okay? So each
the players have my cause, my cleats yea, and they
they they design a shoe that is symbolic of a
cause that the players um are means something to each players.
(36:27):
So our answer to that, and I think it was
Corey Miller and y'all's idea initially right, just Corey's idea,
I think, for the boots and everything. And then we said, hey,
let's make it a bigger deal than just a game
day deal, and let's turn it into right, something big
on social and digital. And so the idea was to
take the boot with our traditional game day silver star
(36:48):
and do my cause my boot. And and we asked,
Luke Casey, is there any chance you guys could take
that silver leather star gets swatches of any color that matches,
is any cause that the cheerleaders support that means something
to each one of them personally, and make these custom
boots by oh, I don't know, a couple of weeks.
(37:10):
We have short deadlines. I was gonna say, if you've
never worked with Kelly, this is my least favorite thing
about Kelly. There's so many great things. My least favorite
thing is when Kelly has one of these great ideas,
usually fland to day tomorrow. It's a normally you would
expect it to take. Okay, it's gonna take ten weeks
to get this, No, well we need it next week. Yeah,
So it's always oh my god, here it isn't. It's
(37:31):
usually a one o'clock an idea, one o'clock in the
morning email and hey, can we make this happen by
what's today? Thursday? Yeah, Tuesday? Yeah, so yeah, great ideas
come quickly. So anyway, Luke Casey Randy still at lu
Casey said yes we can, And so all the girls
pick their personal causes and they chose causes from autism
(37:52):
to cancer, to Down syndrome to domestic violence that meant
something to them personally they had had personal experiences with it.
Luke Casey sent us swatches of leather colors and they
made personal boots for every cheerleader. So each girl wore
in the game her own pair of boots. Was beautiful,
(38:14):
it was amazing. And then after the game they kept
one one of the boots for themselves and cool. Then
they we sent the mate of that pair to the
national headquarters, headquarters of the Choice Philanthropy, and they use
those for fundraisers and for example, like Madeline is going
(38:34):
to New York with her boot and making a speech
on behalf of Down syndrome while she presents her boots.
Oh that's so cool. Yeah, that's so cool, And we'll
do a whole video feature and social media piece on
all of them again this year December. When we say
at ninth that was another night that made us cry,
I'm like, I actually thought that was the most impactful
(38:55):
thing we did last season and one of the best
things we've done in a long time. And Courtney made us.
Courtney made us look good. Let it go, Courtney, Yes,
thank you. It was Now the fun stuff. Do you
have anything else you need to touch on before because
this is going to take the rest of the kind
of worried about this. We've talked Final Nights to Night
on CMT ten ninth Central, We've talked Megan Trainer Thanksgiving,
(39:17):
and we've talked Christmas Cowboys Christmas Spectacular November twenty three
and might cause my boots and might cause my boots?
So what else is there to talk about this? So
let me set this up because this was it was
a joke. This was a joke on one of our
shows and one of the one of the ladies. Do
we like surprises, No, it's not that bad. It's not
that bad. One of the ladies. Do you remember, We'll
(39:38):
keep him anonymous. They said they had the great idea
that you guys, when Kelly and Judy come on because
we told him we were trying to get you on
the showy, should you all you should let all of
us ask them questions? But anonymously? Which wait, this is
from the cheers from the current squad. Gosh, So normally
the cheerleaders are all sweet to each other and nice
(40:00):
notes in the booth, but these are filled with question
anonymous questions that Kelly and Judy have to answer. So
let's do it rapid my gosh, I'm starting. They're anonymous.
No no, no reason to go into deep detail or anything.
We'll take turns quart Okay, I always see the handwriting
no no. So the first one is this, Wait, how
(40:21):
do we decide who answers? Uh? Thinks of it first? Yeah?
Do you guys coordinate outfits on CMT No, be honest,
And it happened more than once this year, and we
would just look at each other like, think we coordinated?
I did this on purpose? Sell me? I thank you, Samon.
By the way, thank you, thank you Mark Brown for
(40:41):
the shout out too. Do you know Mark Brown, Angela's husband.
Apparently he watches this show, because he just texted me
and said, Samon looks really good on you. Thank you?
All right, No, we don't coordinate, but we kept crashing
on colors this year. What was your first job? Ooh?
My first job was cleaning houses and pulling weeds in
(41:06):
Texas and my lemonade stand. And I charged a dollar
an hour to pull weeds and clean houses. Dollar. How
old were you? I'm third grade. Lemonade was twenty five
cents and forty cents for a big red cello cup.
That's great. How about you, Judy? I worked at John's
Jeans Value mall as like a salesperson. R I P.
Valuebue mall right now it's scary happy, It's very scary. Okay,
(41:30):
here's the next one. Kelly, this is for you. How
many times do you text, call, or email Judy a day?
She's so bad she doesn't answer texts. I'm maybe maybe
it depends. It really depends on the situation, but I'd
say ten. Ten is your is your text font? Still? Like? Yes? Huge?
(41:54):
Everybody can read what we write a huge font? Oh no, no,
the good one? Do your best in person nation of
a cheerleader from each pledge class. So well, I'm from Kentucky.
I know who that is. And I'm just sweet. Do
everything right. I was being lazy. I was trying to
(42:16):
have big guys, But I'm happy, guys. Did I hear
y'all say earlier? This is her last year? Sadly so,
she said, She said on the show, She's one of
my favorites. She's so awesome. Did you cry during A
Star Is Born? And what parts? Okay? Yes? And yes?
I cried, hmm, I cried, well, wow, I cried when
(42:41):
Lady Gaga sang for the first time live She's sang shallow.
I cried a moment. There's a moment with the dog.
I obviously cried at the end. What else were our
tear moments? Just the last twenty minutes. I cried so
much that my face was just ridiculously puffy. I'm gonna
have to watch that one. I don't want to cry
(43:03):
in public. And it's okay? Is then you hear everybody
else in the theater? Yeah? But and I'm gonna go
back for the third time. She went twice to cry,
You've already been twice going back again. Yeah, Kelly's a
movie critic. We could do a movie podcast. We should.
I just saw First Man yesterday. That's a good one. Yes,
you'd like it. That's with Ron Goslin. Yeah, I love him.
(43:26):
Crush Yeah, man crush. If you want a man crush,
say hello to Bradley Cooper. Yeah, yeah, he's okay. Okay,
Who do you think is the funniest on the team?
Because Cher is funny, I've hear from the locker room.
We don't see a lot of it. Oh, I can't
(43:47):
say it's a new girl because Sharon is funny. I
think somebody from Hawaii's gigly. But I didn't say that
because we don't know if she's made it yet or not.
Same with the girl I'm thinking is kind of funny,
same person, no long home, but we can't say it.
We have a very funny rookie this year. Okay, all right,
(44:09):
next question, we'll answer that next time. Did you ever
play sports in school? Yes, golf, I've seen Kelly. You
still play swing. I play in the Cowboys tournament and
I was the district champion in Lindell, Texas. That trophy. Nice.
What about you, Judy? No, no sports. Always dance, always dance.
(44:31):
That's a sports. Sure? Yeah? Agree? Did you dancing growing
up in Lindell? We twirled okay, twirl girl, And yes,
what else would it be? Twirling stick? I didn't know
if you just twirled around like like spinning, I don't know,
Partney in small town in East Texas, in small towns
(44:54):
back of the day, twirling was the thing and my
band was the thing, and I wanted to be a
major at so I twirled and then I actually started
my dance, my real dance in college at TCU. So
you didn't like take classes. I took little jazz class
in Tyler Jazz, but nothing major technical. So everybody listening,
the director of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader didn't grow up
(45:17):
technically trained, right, correct, So you can do anything. It's
never too late. It's never too late. Okay, what do
you think is the hardest part of training camp for
a TCC? For me, I think coming in front of us,
because I really they do well until they get in
front of us, and then they fall apart A lot
(45:39):
of times. I read a lot of comments and the
schedule on the social post and we shared some onto
Dallas Cowboys Social and most of the comments were those
who are the most intimidating or scariest people in the
Dallas Cowboys organization. I was like, that's amazing, and you
know that's so unfair because we're we're pulling for them,
(46:01):
but it just it is what it is. Being intimidating
is a good thing. We don't try to be at all.
You know what, y'all are the equivalent of Rod Marinelli.
You know why because he loves his guys and he
loves them and he gives them books and he tries
to make them better men and better people, and he's
really pulling for all of them, but he challenges them. Hammer. Yeah,
(46:24):
out on the practice field, he's like a field general
and he not that y'all cuss, but he will dog
cuss him and screams at him and yells at him.
But they respect him because they know he wants the
best for him and he's only doing that to try
to make them better people. Same with y'all, Like you
sometimes come off with this hard exterior and like you
don't care, But the reason why you're that way is
because you do care, and you you know you care
(46:47):
so much that you have to you can't crack. That's
right way to sum it up, right, all right, dog cuss?
Oh this is good. Yea very Lousi d ah, this
is great. You might have to we might have to
skip a question. You might to think about those one
what my boots my calls color? Would you pick him? Why? Red?
(47:09):
For Alzheimer's for my dad? Okay, h M, I gotta
think about that, think about it. That's a tough one.
Or okay, you need to ask that one diabetes for
my mom and I don't know what color that diabetes
is also red? Is it double whammy there? You maybe Alzheimer's.
(47:31):
We're not sure what took Polly to heaven, but she
I mean, my grandmother lived to be a hundred, but
she was starting to kind of get They called it
sundowner syndrome. Is that part of the Alzheimer's getting starting? Dementia?
Dementia demi opeaking of diabetes. Someone actually asked this question
on social media. They asked if any cheerleader has ever
had diabetes? I saw that too, and the type one diabetes.
(47:56):
I don't think so. I don't think we've ever had
a cheerleader that not that I'm aware of now. Raylyn
one of our guests country music artists that came and
visited the cheerleaders um was hers type one. Yeah, she was,
she has to wear they she she was public about
it and vocal about it. Yes, very honest about it
(48:16):
and discussed it with the cheerleaders. You or me, Judy.
How many pairs of shoes do you own? Good question? Yes? Estimate?
I don't know. Hundreds Oh yeah, no, yes, yes, absolutely
so it's in the hundreds. Well I don't know. That
(48:38):
means yes, yeah, we have some old ones that I
need to get rid of it. Nobody wants. Okay, can
you guys really not tell Rachel Amali apart. I can
tell them apart. They look so different. But sometimes at
our age, our vision is bad, and when they're far away,
you just yell at one name. It's like calling my kids.
(49:00):
I call five names before I get to the right name.
I always do hear Molly and Rachel. Sorry. What's your
most embarrassing story as a DCC. My most embarrassing story
was director and it was last year's Christmas show. Oh
I think that was a nursing home giggle of I
(49:27):
ever heard one? Um it was good and it was
opening night and I went downtown to the Christmas sweater
store and bought two very expensive Christmas sweaters. But they
were folded in half on the table, and so I
saw that going with these days, now this is the truth.
(49:48):
So it was folded and I bought it because it was,
you know, fancy and expensive and I knew it was
high quality and it was folded. I got one for
me and one for Steve Dallam, our co creator on
The Christmas Show, and I put mine on and I
brought him his. We were wearing it for opening night
and I was prancing around and putting up stanchions for
the show and taking pictures with people and getting everything
all show ready. And we did the show and Steve
(50:10):
had a sweater on and I had my sweater on,
and you know, life was good. And it wasn't until
we had our cheerleader's Christmas party and the sweaters were
red and green and had reindeer on them. It wasn't
till our cheerleader's private Christmas party that the girls gave
me Christmas socks that were naughty Christmas socks. And I
kind of looked at it like okay, and they're like,
(50:31):
that's to match your sweater. And so then it became
a big joke that apparently my Christmas sweater that I
never really studied closely. My reindeer were mating on my
Christmas sweater and I never knew it. And there's pictures
of me and that sweater everywhere, and the girls knew
it the whole time. Nobody told me. Best came up
(50:53):
to me and she was like, does she know? Tell you?
But you were in concentration and I probably took the
wrong opportunity and let you know, that's your reindeer. We're
not dancing my reindeer. We're doing more than dancing. And
so anyway that I wore it and I'm gonna wear
it again this year. It's tradition imagined now, but it
(51:16):
was to look out for the sweater that is so awesome.
You kind of answered this earlier. Do you two ever fight?
And how do you diffuse the situation? We only have
a couple of minutes. Judy kind of goes quiet on me.
We both kind of go quiet. We just don't like
to disagree. We really don't disagree that often. And if we,
I think maybe two or three times in our twenty
(51:38):
eight seventy so you've never gotten like in a rule
never no all, that's screaming match no no, if anything
we go kind of silent. She can sometimes get stubborn.
I don't like to change my ways. Yeah, she doesn't
like change. I don't like change. Okay, if you could
take the girls on a trip in all caps anywhere,
where would you take them? That's somebody campaigning for a
(52:02):
trip Africa Australia and catch the sun run, actually see
the sunset, and have some pizza. We didn't get anything
ven All right, A couple more questions and we got
to get out of here. Judy, do you really use
pantine on your hair? That's it? How all the fans
(52:24):
want to panteen conditioner? Okay, I'll ask this, but this
is a probably the most asked band question, so I
have to get to it. Why does Judy sit on
a stool and Kelly get a nice comfy chair with arms?
That's not by our choice? The stool. They tried to
change it on me this year, but like we said,
I don't like changes, and I went back to the
(52:45):
wooden one. It's just become tradition now. Yeah, in fact,
this is making me uncomfortable because normally I sit on
that side of you and we're resides. It doesn't this
feel weird? Yeah, it does. I don't know. It's just
the first time she I was in my office chair
and Judy just pulled up a stool and we just
kind of did that at first, and then it stuck,
and then it became expected, and then once you do
something so many times, you kind of it's part of
(53:07):
the formula. Now her stool's famous. It is, Oh my god,
we should put that in the Smithson. But she does
have a mute button on it. When things go uncomfortable,
Judy hits her mute button. Kelly Dark all right, two
more questions. Judy, is your favorite emoji? The iroll emoji?
What's the I'm no my favorite one? Is that? What's
(53:29):
n iroll emode? Like? No? Side eye? Maybe side eye?
All right? Maybe two more? Where will calendar be? We
are talking about that right now we're revisiting um Riviera.
Now you're eat which is the Portabarda area. We're revisiting
(53:50):
the Bimini area. And right now we're kind of watching
all this hurricane activity as well. So it's it's in discussions,
but nothing is same time frame. This year's last year.
I think we're gon we're gonna we're gonna shoot it.
Earlier this year, probably March, trying to get out, well know,
the week before, and she'll say, Judy be radio, That's
not true. You know, I'm a planner. You know I've
(54:11):
been trying to play this thing already. Is that because
of the weather? Yeah? Last last year and auditions? Yeah,
and there's so many movie moving parts. I'm gonna try
to make it this year. I was so hurt that
I even get to go, Like, I know had project,
we had that. Yeah, we had that big, great reorger.
I just needed to be here really paining my soul.
(54:32):
We'll trying to make it this year, all right. Last question,
what do you eat drink during deliberations during deliberations at auditions? Yeah,
those crunchy snacks that have cal peanut butter. Yes, at
the stadium. Those we actually feed our judges a lot
(54:57):
because we're there. It's it's like a sixteen hour day
at each addition round for the judges, and so we
have breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the stadium provided by Legends.
So it's pretty yummy. Um. But to munch on, we
always munch on those pretzels. There's actually multiple of the
same question in here. Okay, I want to ask one
(55:17):
more and drink coffee and water, soda, lots of coffee. Um. Oh,
there's so many good ones. This is actually a great
Would you ever change the song for pregame? You know,
we used to do a different pregame routine every game
(55:38):
and it was a lot, a lot of material for
the girls to learn. Yeah, I don't know, I don't
it's I like that it's kind of a call to
action and people know that when thunderstrike comes on you, yeah,
let's go about start. Yeah. Yeah, I will tell you
this all the And I've said this on other show.
(56:00):
Go around the stadiums and I always check out that
sounds really bad, check out the cheerleaders. But I'm always
watching like the you know, the the choreography and the
uniforms and and hands down, you guys do the best job.
Around the league. We'll see sometimes I'll see Jeremiah or
or Carry or somebody. I'll be like, do you see
that dance routine? I'm like, can you imagine Kelly and
(56:22):
Judy telling the girls to do stuff like And I'm
like no, but y'all, hands down do the best job.
There's actually a few teams that have started dancing to
Thunderstruck either during the game or after the game. The
Chiefs now do it, I think pregame. So yeah, so
they're starting to everybody's taking notes and ripping you guys off.
So it's but you guys, you guys do a great job.
(56:42):
And you know, I'm so glad y'all came on the show.
I've really got like we could have made the show
three hours and it wented their long lay. So Courtney,
I gotta go catch a flight. Put fun. Finally, Oh
what are y'all doing during the bye week? I'm mate? Rest, Yeah,
prepare for Christmas and start wrapping presents. Since our holidays
(57:06):
are over, mate, head on down to A and M
and catch my first Aggy game. Oh what about you, Judy?
I think I have the grandkids. Oh fun? Yes, where
do you do in? Shannon? I'm either going Caitlin that
used to work with you guys. Her family has a
suite for the Chiefs. I might go up there and
watch the Broncos Chiefs game, but I kind of just
(57:27):
want to be lazy. Yeah, and my one weekend away
from football, I kind of don't want to go watch
more football, so I haven't decided, I gotta decide to
hurry him decide. So Courtney put another date on their
calendar so we can get them, you know what, maybe
right before Christmas to talk about the Christmas extravaganza to
kick it off. There we go, Let's do this again.
This was awesome. Thanks Courtney, Thank you, Kelly, Thank you Kelly,
(57:50):
thank you William, thank you Presley, thank you, can't thank
to everybody that was involved. Thank you Current DCC for
submitting questions. Yea, we will be back ten nine Central,
Yes tonight. Tune in and check out the website. All
the new stuff will be out Central and our first
rookie show next week. I can't tell who they are,
but two rookies and we'll be back next week with
(58:11):
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
Dateline NBC
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