Charlie Kirk Assassination Motives EXPOSED | State Actors or Leftist Hit? (Feat. An0maly) - Liberty Lockdown

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For whatever reason, you know, Cash Betel injects himself into it.
The FEDS seized all of the footage at the hospital
that Charlie was brought to at Timpanogo's. That doesn't make
sense to me. Nothing makes sense to me and this
whole story. So it's just kind of the icing on,
you know, on the top here, not even the icing
on the top. But why would they move to seize
that footage? How is that going to help their investigation

(00:22):
what's happening inside of Timpanogos? How is that going to
help their investigation, their immediate boots on the ground investigation
into who shot Charlie Kirk. They're trying, they're on a
man hunt. Why are they going, Okay, let's at first
grab the footage at Timpanogo's.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
So I've got a lot to say about that. But
I just did an entire episode dunking on Ben Shapiro.
So I decided to bring in reinforcements. I got the
homie legendary energy, mister anomaly. What's cracking, dude?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
How are you doing?

Speaker 4 (00:49):
I wasn't told that I was reinforcements to attack Ben
Shapiro because I'm a huge I'm a Shapiro fan.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
I don't know what we call it our sas these days.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
But no, you're you're an u Wu sh Peru.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I'm in the dark about this, but I'm always in
the dark when it comes to Clint Show because I
anything's game. So whatever he wants to talk about, I'm
here to help my buddy out.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
If you're a young person and you can't afford to
live here, then maybe you should not live here.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean that is a real thing.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Yeah, I know that we've now grown up in a
society that says that you deserve to live where you
grew up. But the reality is that the history of
America is almost literally the opposite of that. The history
of America is you go to a place where there
is opportunity, and if the opportunities are limited here and
they're not changing, then you really should try to think
about other places where you have better opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, dude, I mean you were saying before we started that,
you know that's a that's a real winning message. Go
go ahead and the elabor a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
It's been like listening to Trump before I get into
Shapiro It's been really bothering me because Trump's made like
hundreds of millions of dollars on these crypto schemes this year.
He's got like Bill Gates in the White House. He's
building a ballroom. I don't care. I mean the Bill
Gates thing, obviously I do care, and the Pfizer deal
he's cutting. But it's like then he just sits there
and says, there is no affordability issue. You are a
billionaire the country, Like even for me, you know, I

(02:09):
think I'm doing pretty well, I guess compared to average.
But it's everything's going up, the cost of everything's going up,
the quality of it, nothing is getting better. Like it's
not like there's the economy's booming for me or anybody
any normal person. So him to say there is no
affordability issue.

Speaker 7 (02:28):
The economy was listed as a top concern. I know,
you know this for voters. Is this a voter perception
issue of the economy or is there more that needs
to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill or done
in terms of.

Speaker 8 (02:40):
Policy more than anything else. It's seconjab by the Democrats.
They're saying they just have to say, you know, they
put out something say today, cuss her up. They feed
it to the anchors of ABC, CBS and NBC and
a lot of other you know, CNN and et cetera.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Are you ready?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Courts the way down? And then you've got Ben Shapier
tag teaming and coming in and being like, uh, you know,
if there is an affordability issue, why don't you just
leave and go somewhere else, Like that's what we've had
to do. Yeah, I mean, my family came from Poland,
my family came from Italy to America. I guess I
could flee on a boat again. But that's kind of
not the American dream. So what crazy bad messaging from

(03:18):
Shapiro and Trump to tag team with there is no
affordability issue. Everything's up. You're just delusional if you think otherwise.
And then if somehow you are right and things are
hard for you, then Ben comes in and says, just,
you know, move somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, it's crazy, Messa.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Well, and then also just consider that the whole point
of America, the thing that made America special, was that
we all got up and we left, We left our
home countries to come here because this was the land
of opportunity and now there are huge swaths of America
in which Ben Shapiro just says, well, those aren't the
land of opportunity. You got to get out of there. Look,

(03:55):
it may be it may actually even be practical advice.
Like I think that that's probably true so many of
the people I grew up with because I grew up
in San Diego, and because of the inflationary environment and
the real estate bubble, almost everybody I know has moved
out of San Diego now because it's just so unaffordable,
including myself. That's not why I moved out, but a
lot of people did. They moved to Denver, Arizona, or whatever.

(04:19):
But the problem with this messaging is twofold. Obviously, it's
not it's not problem solving at all. It's not saying
like we're actually going to help you with this or
we're going to stop this process. But it's also not
even from a conservative standpoint, which is what Ben Shapiro
has been on a warpath over the past week now
trying to reclaim his title as top conservative commentator. He

(04:40):
doesn't even mention the fact that the whole reason that
we move out of our hometowns is because of the
inflation because housing continues to skyrocket, and it makes it
so that the children, you know, of our parents, we
have to leave them, and that that is not a
natural phenomenon, that is a that is a phenomenon of
FIAT and central banking. And he doesn't even pretend to

(05:02):
give any credence to that. He's just like, well, you
got to get out of New York, you gotta get
out of LA or whatever. It's terrible messaging. And then
on top of that, they're not delivering on any of
their other promises, so economically they're not delivering, and then
they're not delivering on the justice side of things, prosecuting, indictments, anything.
I mean, there's literally nothing. And then you have the
Charlie Kirk cover up, which I think it is. It's

(05:25):
just a losing message all the way around. But we
haven't talked in a couple months. What's your take on
the Kirk case? Have you looked into it at all?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Before I talk about that, just real quick, I want
to say, I like the way Marjorie Taylor Green has
been messaging, where it's like compassionate to the fact that
healthcare sucks and the country is worse, Like when you
talk to boomers and they're like, oh, pull yourself up
by your bootstraps.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
I'm not a pussy. I'm not like rolling over anything.
But when you could make fifty thousand a year, but
like the average house was like ten thousand versus if
you make now you're making eighty thousand a year and
the average house is like three hundred k. Like we're
getting screwed in a thousand ways. So there's a way
to be tough but compassionate. I think Marjorie's doing a
good job of that. But this like, like, uh, nothing's wrong.

(06:08):
There is no affordability issue, and if there is, just
get out. It's just like it's just super douchey, not
helpful and like you said, not addressing the red issues
with the cursed stuff. Yeah, I've definitely been paying attention,
you know, quietly and just kind of observing because I
think my take on it is this, like I haven't
seen all of Candace's shows, but Candace with the Zionists

(06:30):
in this case is kind of like Trump with the Left.
Like there's a lot of things Trump is doing wrong
in my opinion, and this is not a knock at
Candace I'll get into it in section, But like, I'm
not saying Trump's a perfect person. Actually he really annoys me,
like way more than Candace annoys me. But he's so
much better than the left. Like it doesn't matter because
the left is the boy who cried Wolf. The left

(06:50):
is such clowns. So Trump just is still better than
the Left, even though he's doing stuff with Candace, she's
literally the only one investigating. I'm not trying to compare
her in like a negative way to Trump, but even
if she makes some mistakes or even if she does
something that people don't like, it's like she's still so
much more honest than the Zionists and the people that
are trying to like say that she's saying something else

(07:11):
or say that she's saying this, And my thought is this,
Like i can only speak for myself, but I'm not
like fully blown away by the evidence and what they've
come up with. And I'm willing to be patient and listen.
But if you want people to not listen to Canvas
every day and not believe what she's saying, then you
have to do better investigation yourself, or at least provide
some sort of alternative and not only are they not

(07:33):
providing an alternative, but like the you know, like the
bullet Like I'll ask any of my friends who really
like hunt professionally and stuff, and I'll ask them about that,
Like literally, not a single one believes that. They think
it's ridiculous. And these are like normal people that don't
even pay attention to politics, So you're asking me to
just believe what you're saying, and like the people are

(07:54):
just acting so odd where like they'll come out and
be like, if you don't believe the official narrative, that
means you're blaming me.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'm like, who are you?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I don't even know who you are, Like you know
you're you think you're way more important than you are,
like acting like I think you did it when I
don't even know. I didn't even know you were affiliated
with Charlie. So it's like the side against Candice. You know,
I'm only framing it that way because she seems to
be the lead investigator, like citizen journalist. The alternative to
her are providing nothing and they're just spiraling. So it's

(08:24):
like I don't I think she's doing some things I
wouldn't do, and you know she's definitely. I don't know
what her accuracy rating is so far, but she's uncovered
more than anyone else. The text messages just the way
people are acting, so for sure, it's just it's just
another one of those things where, yeah, it's like, no
matter what they say about her, no matter how mad

(08:45):
they get, they're providing literally nothing. So I would love
to see like a TPUSA investigation, but maybe they're too
close to it that they're working with the Feds and
they can't do that. I don't really know, but that's
just my citizen take is like, yeah, the people the
Zionists are spiraling like always and making less sense than
the people they hate.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, dude, well i've you know, in terms of high profile,
I agree that, you know, Candice is really the only
one of his friends that's actually lifting the finger to
try and figure out what the fuck happened. But I
do have this clip from Benny Johnson, which was the
day after the attack, and I think this is a
fascinating find.

Speaker 9 (09:21):
Yes, there is reason for people to believe that this
is a professional hit job. I want to begin by
saying that I'm very very close with Charlie and his team,
and here is the thing that I here's what I
wish to relate to you from them, that there is
some considerable evidence that there were state actors involved here.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (09:49):
I don't want to go any further than that. I
can't go any further than that. That is all I've
That is what I've been told, And it's not like this
is exclusive to me necessarily. John Solomon said it last
night on Sean Hannity's show.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
All Right, so yeah, this is you know, mister Benny Johnson,
who's basically just a pure water carrier for Maggot inc.
He doesn't actually do any serious work, as best I
can tell. But sorry to take a shot at the guy,
but I'm just being honest, like that's my opinion of him.
But he says that he's very close with the TPUSA
people and he has reason to believe there is considerable

(10:27):
considerable evidence that there are state actors involved, and then
he goes radio silent for the next six weeks and
really doesn't talk about it at all. I just think
that when you tie into the fact that Candice Owens
was right, you know that the text messages were real,
confirmed by Andrew Covidd and the TPUSA organization. We know
for a fact that Charlie was saying he's getting immense

(10:49):
pressure from Zionist owners and that they're living up to
all the stereotypes and he has to abandon the Proseral cause.
He has no choice but to avand the pro Zeral cause.
And then forty eight hours later he catches a bullet
and it's like, it makes me wonder if it wasn't
COVID that was conveying this to Benny Johnson saying that
he thinks that, And now you know, COVID and company

(11:09):
goes around, he's the you know, the pr rep for TPUSA.
They just go around basically acting as if it was
Tyler Robinson and there's no reason to doubt anything else.
And I don't know, it just it all rubs me
the wrong way. It makes me, you know, especially after
the Butler attack on Trump and the lack of any
due diligence in getting a motive for that. I mean,

(11:30):
think about how crazy it is like the President had
his head grazed by a gun or by a bullet,
and we've just all moved on like it never even happened.
And now it feels like the same thing is happening here,
and I just I've repeated this so many times I'm
hesitant to say it again, but I just don't want
to live in a country like that. I don't want
to live in a country where people can get fucking
murdered in front of us in four k and we're

(11:52):
all like, well, we'll just trust whatever the FBI says,
even though we all know that the FBI is allowing
organization run through.

Speaker 5 (12:01):
I'm very like, I'll just be straight with you.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm like, I'm like sixty forty that it is not
Tyler Robinson that fired that shot.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
So that's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I would say this, like for yourself, I mean, you're
a citizen, you do your independent journalists journalism, and you're
not really like close to that situation, so you could
say and think whatever you want. Pretty much same with
Candace with the turning point people. And this is not
justifying what they're saying or not saying, because that you know,
their their life is their life. They know what they know,
but they're they're almost probably connected to the investigation because

(12:34):
they're literally part of the organization. So I'm just guessing
and speculating. But I'm sure they're in heavy communication with
the FEDS, and they're probably relaying the message like don't
talk too much because we're going to get this in court.
Like it's not for you to, you know, versus like
you are, Candace, where you're not really like you didn't
you weren't working with turning point, et cetera. So you're

(12:55):
just kind of like seeing it from the outside, saying
and doing whatever you feel is right.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
They're like on the inside of it.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
So I don't know what, like whatever Benny said, I'm
sure someone told him to not say it or did
not talk about it right now, and they'll, you know,
they'll cover it in court or whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
But I would say this.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
From like a lot everyone's going to put their own
bias on on what Charlie, like what could have happened
to Charlie. So like I find a lot of people
that get harassed by left wingers, like Matt Walsh and stuff,
you know, like his whole life is getting death threats
by leftists. So he looks at it and he says,
I definitely believe them because I've seen it, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I see how evil the left is. Someone like myself,
it's extreme.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
So he's going to assume that the narrative is.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
True, right, and then people who are more critical of
Zionism and seeing what they're doing overseas, et cetera, will
also have that will have that bias on the same
way and be more likely to want to believe that
is true. And I think for me, like just trying
to be honest about it all and navigate it.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
I think Charlie is like this. It's he's this interesting.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Character where like, if you look at who he is,
he's Charlie Kirk, the state actor. Thing that Benny was
talking about, I don't know what state he was talking about,
or I'm sure who knows. I'm not gonna put words
in his mouth, but it's like Charlie was probably going
to be a president one day, I would say, like
establishment wise and connection wise, he's probably like the most
high profile, one of the most high profile public citizens

(14:20):
outside like Elon Musk and someone like that. Like Charlie
wasn't just a random guy like he probably was going
to be president. He definitely was going to be if
he ever ran for office, He's going to win and
be the most popular Republican.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
He was a superstar, whether you liked him or not.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
So it's like, you have this guy who is for
sure a target to a lot of different people because
one way or another, he's going to rise to power.
He's already one of the most powerful Republicans as far
as like actual power and systemic power, not just podcasting.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
He's got all these organizations. Sure, so it's not.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Out of the realm for anybody to speculate what the
heck's going on, because he like for them to just
try to wrap it up and be like, no, no, no,
it was just this. He could have been absolutely because
he was hated by the left. They did make a
you know, south Park character of him. He's known among leftists.
But this is like the fascinating part about his final
couple months, which I found out afterwards, and some of

(15:13):
the stuff you're talking about. I didn't realize he was
being called Hamas and an anti semid and the enemy.
And I'm not saying that necessarily means anything, but similar
to how Ted Cruz says, if they call you a Nazi,
it means they want to kill you. Well, that's kind
of zion is calling you Hamas as well. Once they
call you Jumas, they kill Jimas, So they basically want
to put a target on you like that, you know,
that's what I see that when they say that to
Megan Kelly, Like what else? What do you do to

(15:36):
journalists in that country? How many have died that you've
called them that? So it's like it's not just a
nothing label when you have people that use that label
to justify that. So now you have Charlie who like
it's almost like the perfect mystery. And I'm not trying
to like glorified or anything, but it's like he was
hated by the left, he was hated by the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
He was telling Trump that he didn't want to start
the war in Irans.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
He's trying to meddle in the military industrial complex and
the plot that they've had for twenty years. You know,
they know that he's a great ally of Israel and
he's a super Zionist, but at the same time, he's
getting upset that they won't let them be himself and
you know, they want them to be like one hundred
percent on their side, but he's only like ninety five
percent on their side.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
So it kind of creates like.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
This perfect mystery where everyone's putting their bias on it.
If you don't like Zionist, you're thinking that, if you
don't like left this, you're thinking that. And Charlie like
there almost was nobody like Charlie where he literally was
in the middle of all of those worlds and it
creates like the perfect mystery because you know, it's like
anti Zionists hated Charlie and thought he was too Zionist.

(16:39):
Zionis hated Charlie. They thought he wasn't Zionis enough. Left
wingers thought he was too far right. Far right people
think he's too far left like Charlie was, Like it's
actually like he's a fascinating person where it's like he's
there's no one else like him that can almost be
considered everything at once. So then when you're going to
motives and stuff, obviously you get check text messages and
you know this and that, but it's like you could

(17:01):
almost piece the puzzle together with your own bias in
any of the categories at all. But what I would
say is like like I said, where it's like say
they say Clint's asking too many questions or assuming too much,
or Candas is doing too much when I look at that,
but then I look at the other side.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's like they're just acting really suspicious.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
And I'm not saying they're doing it, but just saying, like,
don't talk about it, don't think about it, dude. Like,
just like you said, if the same thing when it
happened at Trump, Trump's going to be presidents. If someone
actually successfully took out Trump, they're altering the course of
US history. And I believe they altered the course of
US history by killing Charlie. So it to me, it's
not like a small mystery. It's like, yeah, it could
have been some random skinny shit lib of course, but

(17:45):
it also could have been twenty different governments, it could
have been fifty different political organizations. And not saying it is,
but like the lack of curiosity I think from the
Zionist side is rubbing a lot of people the wrong
way and just making like you know, and like the
way they're tweeting where every day they're like they did
this and he was a furry. It's like, I don't know,
we've lived too, We've lived through too many syops. We've

(18:06):
lived through even the one guy that almost killed Trump,
like the first one they barely said anything about him.
The second one, he's got videos of Newsweek interviews of
him in Ukraine recruiting former Taliban members to Ukraine. What
the frick is that? You know what I'm saying, like, like,
how connected was that guy? Was he paid by a
foreign government like you know? Or is he just some
loan crazy wolf. It's hard for people to believe that.

(18:29):
So it's like, you know, I'm just being patient and
I'm being quiet because I see everybody acting a little ridiculous.
But at the same time, like I said, if you
really think about it, only Charlie could create this sort
of chaos because like Zionists thought he wasn't zions enough,
which was crazy because he was like an ultra Zionist.
But then anti Zionists thought he was doing too much,

(18:49):
and it felt like he was at.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
A turning point where I was at turning point.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
This year, Tucker's on stage talking about ev seen in Israel,
and everybody's way cooler to me. And they used to
not want me there because I would criticize this is
real speech laws and stuff, and like, for sure he
was changing. For sure, they were mad that he was
platforming talker. So it's like so frustrating because everyone wants
to put words in Charlie's mouth and he was definitely
at a point where like only time would have told

(19:13):
which direction he was going, and obviously we have hints
and stuff, but it's like, what a crazy time for
him to get taken out, which is leading to all
of this suspicion, and it's like right, understandable, it's understandable online.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
No, totally, and it's right as it's right at the
inflection point, Like it's right at the point where you know,
forty eight hours prior he says I have no choice
but to a brand of the pros who caused And
it's like that's the biggest that's the biggest inflection point
in Charlie Kirk's life other than when that bullet lands.
I mean, that is it right there, especially if he
meant it, which I think he meant it, because on

(19:46):
that group chat, it's important to remember he's got his pastor,
he's got his rabbi, and he's got Josh Hammer all
on there, which I think after doing all the research
I've done, I'm almost almost ninety percent convinced that Josh
Hammer is just a handler like I don't think he's
a real, you know, political commentator.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
I think he's just an operative.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
But anyway, setting that aside, it's just like, well, I
did want to ask you one follow up question. Were
you at both days of TPUSA. Did you get to
watch Dave Smith and Josh Hammer debate?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I didn't was that Saturday. I had a UFC. I
had a UFC event to go, so I was there Friday.
I saw Tucker speak a little bit, but mostly I
was doing interviews and kind of like networking, so I
wasn't well watching that.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
The reason I wanted to ask is because, you know,
based off of me watching it on YouTube, it sounded
as if it was pretty much like majority of the
room was in favor of Dave Smith over Josh Hammer.
Is that the vibe you got just in the conversations
you were having with people at the event, that like
this is this you know, anti I don't even know
if it's anti Zionist, but like Israel skeptical. Is that

(20:51):
more the mood of these events?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah, Let me preface it because I was I went
three or four years earlier, and I'm not going to
I'm not going to tell it too long I'll make.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
It as short as possible.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
But I knew somebody a turning point, and I was like, hey,
I would like to go as a journalist, whatever, network, whatever,
And they said, sure, dude, we'd love to give you
a pass. And then, you know, like they called me
back and they said, hey, actually we got to revoke
the past.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
You can't come. This is like twenty twenty one or something.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
I was like, how come, and they go, well, we
looked at your social media and we saw all these
tweets and I was like, which tweets? And it was
basically me saying like turning points of fraud because they
won't talk about the Israel speech laws.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
So then I told whoever I was talking to on
the phone, I don't know who it was. I said, listen, dude,
I'll stand outside and protest because you're going to let
like Reuters and all these left wing organizations in and
you're not going to let me in because I'm speaking
the truth about speech laws. So then anyway, they called
me back and you know, they said, well, we talked
to like Jack Pisebic or somebody, and he said, you
were okay, And you know what, I'm saying that you

(21:50):
actually you can go, so they allowed me to go.
But even then, it's like the vibe was like it
was cool, like people in person were cool, but it
was like I almost couldn't even get in. And then
this year, not only was I welcome with open arms,
but like TPUSA wanted to do an interview with me.
They were like, all right, we're doing an interview with Charlie.
Then Benny, we're gonna squeze you in the middle. And
I felt very honored. I was like, dang, you guys

(22:11):
like me enough to not only not kick me out
this time, but like squeeze me in an interview between
Benny and Charlie. Everybody I was talking to like that.
The conversation. Yeah, my Myron Gaines was there doing interviews,
like you.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Know, they had all right, that's that's something.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Or Myron brought himself. I don't know if if they
invited to ring out, but he was there. And then
the one guy was I was interviewing was like complimenting
front days and stuff like. It was just like a
whole different vibe. And everybody I was talking to, like
I watched Tucker on stage just talking about all this
stuff and like everybody's cheering. So yeah, no, like the
Vibe ship was crazy, and you know, for sure, as

(22:47):
you know, just from Afar, Charlie took so much backlash
for just hosting Tucker and allowing him to say that
stuff where Charlie maybe wouldn't say it himself, but he's like, listen,
I'm I'm all for the big tent. We could have
these people and these people, and he was really trying
to bring everybody together and let it happen. But you know,
he's working with people who have been trying to keep

(23:07):
that conversation for six years. So yeah, total total Vibe
shift definitely seemed like it was dominating the discussion. And uh,
you know, I think even I'm sure you know, from
four or five years ago, like it went from a
conversation that nobody really even understood to a conversation that's
just like crazy dominant. And yeah, I think most people
there agree with Tucker Carlson more than you know the

(23:30):
people that don't like him. And I'm sure they saw
that and look at all their tweets. They were like
people were saying, Charlie's gonna lead turning point to neo
Nazism and like they were freaking out so well see yeah,
total total vibes.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I mean, and as you already detailed, like there are
motives ever present with Charlie, it could have been five
different groups easily, probably a dozen. But I will say,
when it comes to murderous instincts, the the the pro
Israel side is certainly capable and well equipped for assassinations.

(24:06):
That that really despite the fact that the left is
radicalized and they're also very dangerous, and that's no doubt true.
You know, a long, relatively long distance sniper shot from
a kid who's got no experience in terms of he's
got no criminal history, very bright kid, and he pulls
this off, gets away, and then turns himself in allegedly,

(24:28):
and it's like, you know, it's just it's a narrative
that doesn't really jive with all of the actual evidence
that we've been presented. That's not to say that it's
not true. It could be, as I've said repeatedly, Like
I like I said, I'm like I'm sixty forty against it,
but that's still forty that is for it, Like that's
definitely a possibility, But I just want to like, for

(24:50):
the audience's sake. I just want to explain, like how
a Ben Shapiro or a Mark Levin sitting in that
audience at TPUSA and having the shift that you just
described where it's like fifty or sixty or seventy percent
of the group is with Tucker Carlson and against the
Ben Shapiros of the world. And then you understand the
funding side of TPUSA and how so much of the

(25:12):
pro zin Is money is what kept them afloat and
got them off the ground, and they're like, we own you,
so you can't do this, and then he does it anyways,
and it's like, look, as you said, there's motives all
the way around, but you gotta admit that's a pretty
strong motive.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I mean I could see, I could see it from
both sides in the sense of like could I see
a leftist doing all this stuff?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Absolutely, they are a lot of crazy ones.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
But even as you were saying, with like the assassination thing,
I don't I think it's like two hundred and seventy
or over two hundred journalists that were killed, and mainstream journalists,
these type of journalists, like anybody that was in Palestine
that wasn't you know, they just said everybody was some
ass and used it to execute them. So, you know,
I think that side needs maybe they have no self awareness.

(26:01):
But it's like you know, when you when you are
so open to killing journalists in other countries.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Uh, same with even like Ukraine.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
You know, I think they they killed journalists against them
in their country and started putting out these lists of
Americans that they didn't like. You know, it doesn't some
of my friends, it doesn't make people feel Yeah, it
doesn't make people feel like you're not going to do something.
So I mean, like, like I said, I think if
you're if you are against what a lot of American
Zionists or Israeli Zionists are doing, this provides a way

(26:33):
that you can paint it in that direction, you know,
and just make assumptions perhaps and just connect certain dots.
But like I'm not the timing, the timing of it,
the timing of it is is insane. The timing of
it is insane, The timing of the text, the people
getting mad at him.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, and then then also then keep in mind too
the trajectory of like what they're hemorrhaging worst is young
conservatives because the Democrats have already flipped on them. So like,
if you lose like specifically Charlie Kirk's audience, tens of
millions of young right wingers, it's over like you, you
will never be able to recover from that. So just

(27:11):
the point that I'm making is that it's existential for
the pro zionist cause it's existential that they get Charlie
Kirk on their page back on the Plantation. He's got
to shut the fuck up, he's got to stop hosting
Tucker Carlson, he's got to become a company man. And
he just refused flatly, And I think that, Look, I'm
not trying to connect the dot to like get you
to say, yes, they did it, That's not at all

(27:32):
what I'm saying. I'm just saying that is a fucking crazy,
strong motive and the moment that it happened was the
perfect time for it to happen, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Well, also, I would say, we don't know what he
would have done now, so of course I think he
was completely going to turn against them. Because of the
timing of it, people could say that Charlie was definitely
going to turn and definitely going to go against the
Israel cause because he said that, but also, you know,

(28:04):
he could have just fallen back in line too, like
that letter he wrote to net and Yahoo. It's like
there's a lot of layers to it, but mostly it
felt like, I'm Charlie Kirk, I love Israel. Your pr
is not really good. This is better pr. He took
a few little jobs like this is how I would
do it, This is how I would do it, like
very ballsy guy, but at the same time was like,
my goal is to defend you know, Israel more effectively.

(28:28):
So it's like, you know, I'm not saying you're wrong
for it, because at the end of the day, everyone's
going to make their own thoughts. I have my own
as well about the timing of it, but it's like
that's a tragedy layered in a bigger tragedy is like
him dying and his family losing him. But it's like
the tragedy of like what was Charlie going to do
in two months? So one thing that I really think

(28:50):
is disgusting that the other side is doing per se
is you know, I made a whole video on it.
I said listen because I'm not going as far as
you're going. But at the same time, I'm I'm only
sticking to absolutely what I know and what I could prove,
and I said without like Charlie was not me, he
wasn't you. The assumption is that he was turning into

(29:10):
that or something. But because of what he said and
what there's proof of. But at the same time, Charlie
was like the ultimate schmuezer. He was like a politician.
He loved to play all sides and keep everybody on base.
But at the same time, one thing that I know
for sure was Charlie Kirk wanted Tucker Carlson to speak
at his events. So if you want Tucker not to
speak at his events, you don't have to agree with

(29:31):
Charlie posthumously or anything. But for me, just morally, let's
say Brandon Tatum. I'm not like a big fan of
his schpiels recently, he was supposed to speak at Turning Point.
So even though I don't agree with what Brandon's saying,
I wouldn't say, let's take Brandon off of Turning Point
if Charlie booked him. Let Charlie's legacy say the people
he wanted to speak. I'll never say that Charlie didn't

(29:54):
want Brandon to speak, because it's not true he did.
So it's the same with Tucker. So these people saying
like Charlie didn't want to, like we gotta change Turning Point,
like after he's dead, it really rubs people the wrong
way because it's like Charlie made it very.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Clear that he wanted Tucker Carlson to speak.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
He made it very clear he was being called an
anti semi and morally blackmailed in pro hamas because he
wouldn't back down for Megan Kelly and Tucker. And if
you're willing to lie about that and act like that
doesn't happen, it's on video, you know what I'm saying.
So that I think all of these things are leading
people to speculate more and people to assume more because
it's like, now, you know, regardless, I'll say this, regardless

(30:33):
of what happened to Charlie or who did it, Like
you know, we'll see what comes out in court, and
I'm willing to be patient and take in all the
evidence before I make any assumptions. But it's like there
is now a fight for Turning Point, in the future
of Turning Point, and there was a fight beforehand before
he died too, and the people that shifted in a direction,
and the people that are fighting to shift it in
a direction that Charlie clearly didn't want. They're not stopping

(30:55):
just because he died. They're going just as hard. And
it leaves about tastes in a lot of people's mouth.
And it's like I said, it's just a time where
you like, it's the craziest, most mysterious time when he died,
because like the only one that could have really told
you what he was going to do is him, but
he's not really there. Oh so now it gets left
to his wife or whoever takes it over, and it's

(31:17):
like it's it's like such a crazy, mysterious tragedy, like
the timing of it couldn't have been more ridiculous. For
a bunch of theories, a bunch of accusations, and then
also a changing of the guards for the people that
were trying to oust him anyway, are now just like
all right, we got to like push it back in
the right direction.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know now that it is.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
What makes me feel, you know, more more confident in
my hypothesis, not you know, not a thesis, a hypothesis
is that in the aftermath of his death, instead of
honoring Charlie's legacy, which was open discussion, debate, no, no,
even like theoretical deplatforming, at least that's rhetorically, that's what
he would say, even though he wasn't very fond of

(31:58):
Nick Quente's, all of all of the pro Zionist side,
all of it is trying to on his legacy.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Not do that, do the exact opposite.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
They are trying to completely control and contain the narrative
in a way that's so overt, especially to people like
you and I, that it's impossible to miss. And I
think that's how a lot of a lot of you
know us feel, but also a lot of you know,
Charlie Kirk's fans feel.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
And I just think it just adds.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
But I will I will say, I will say, I
will say this too, Like Charlie wasn't you or me.
And I'm not saying he had to be, but like
Charlie was kind of a gatekeeper for Zionism, you know,
like that like maybe he was changing it, Like there's
evidence that he was. He purposely gave gate cap Nick Fuente's,
like as much as Charlie would say, I'm pro free
speech for sure, but like he he made it basically

(32:49):
like his lifetime achievement to not let Nick Fuentes get
a platform, and now that he's dead and Tucker platforms him.
I'm not saying it's justified, but Zionists are saying like
Charlie wouldn't have wanted that, and honestly they're probably right
like to you know, even for myself, Like I don't
think Charlie ever did anything to me personally.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I don't even know if he knew who I was.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
So I'm not blaming him, but the him, the Shapiro's
the turning point USA. I am confident that when I
started speaking out in twenty nineteen against the Israeli speech laws,
that it was like a total blackout, a total blacklist.
Like I don't know where it was coming from. I
don't know who was orchestrating it. So I'm not gonna
make accusations, but I had friends at different media organizations.
Yo're far they're calling you far right, they're calling you

(33:30):
an anti semi. I mean, they tried to ruin my
career in twenty nineteen just for being right about this topic.
So you know, I think a lot of people that
are critical of Zionism and the speech laws and the
foreign aid. You know, they want to make Charlie this
pariah of like free speech and debate because he was
a college campus debater. But this idea that he really
wanted fun Days to speak like, it's really just not accurate.

(33:52):
He wanted Tucker to speak, but he was kind of
a gatekeeper in his own right, and the Zionists are
not necessarily wrong about that.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Totally agree, and that's a that's a fair correction. But
I will add that you know that they're pushing that
they want him to disconnect, They want TPUs A to
disconnect from Tucker Carlson. I just want to be very
clear that it Charlie did not do the platforming, contagion,
blacklisting thing because and I know this for a fact,
because Dave Smith talked to Nick fuentt Is now three

(34:22):
times at length and he was still having Dave, you know,
come and debate specifically the Israel topic at that event
that you were you were at, So I agree with you. Yes,
he considered funt As to be beyond the pale. And
there's a lot of other history gropal roars and all
other shit that went into the bad blood that they

(34:43):
had there. It wasn't purely ideological. They also had some
you know, personal reasons for not liking each other. But
I just think it's I just look, man, I'll just
be straight with you. I I just I don't trust
the FBI, I don't trust the media. I don't trust
the con inc talking heads at all. I think that
like pasobic strikes me as coming off like real fucking

(35:04):
weird about this case. Uh same with Benny Johnson. And
it's like, every every ounce of my instinctual being is
just telling me something's off here that it's not it's
not the story that we're being told. That doesn't mean
that it's you know, masad hit men, It doesn't mean that.
It just means that there is an aspect of a

(35:24):
cover up that's going on here. That's a fucking fact.
And I know that provably because of the way that
they buried those text messages and lied about them for
weeks and cold Candace a crazy person when she had
the fucking receipts the entire time. Like, these people are
pathological liars, and it's important that like even if they're
not involved in his death. There is a there is
a story there that that matters, and I feel like

(35:45):
a lot of people are afraid to talk about it
because they don't want to get accused of like tinfold
hat Alex Jones and Candace owensing this thing. And I'm
just I'm just trying to be very clear. I'm not
going there. I'm not making an accusation that like I
can't prove, but I am. I'm saying definitively, they covered
up some shit that mattered in the in the immediate
aftermath of the assassination of their friend, they sat silent

(36:09):
or worse, many of them came out and they lied
about the nature of those communications and that meat that's meaningful,
that really is.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
I mean, I think everybody's allowed to interpret it as
they wish, you know. And as far as like people
being afraid to say certain stuff, I think my thoughts,
especially if you're a podcast or a news host or
whatever you're you're responsible for what you say and put
out there. But people will no matter how careful you are.

(36:37):
I try to be as careful as possible, people will
lie about you. They will falsely accuse you, they will
connect you to people that you have nothing to do with,
Like that's just the name of the game, and it
doesn't make it right.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
But at the end of the day, you're responsible for
what you say. So for me.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Personally, I'm seeing what everyone else is doing. But it
took weeks to really make a video. And I said
the fight over battleover Charlie's legacy, and I, you know,
I said, everybody's trying to say Charlie was his Charlie's
apt Here's Charlie in his own words. And I pointed
out that a lot of these zionists saying the woke
right's trying to hijack Charlie's legacy. They have tweets from

(37:11):
a month or two ago calling Charlie Kirk woke right.
So it's like, you know, like I can I like
to point exactly what I could prove with that being said,
Like in my person do I completely buy the narrative
one hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I don't the bullet narrative of like the moose bullet
and the strong Bones.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I mean, that doesn't really.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Make these.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
The text messages I read like I'm not. Luckily, there's
no in my opinion, doesn't really matter. It's not like I,
you know, I'm an investigator in the case or anything.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
But when I read those.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
And it's like, like the way he was talking and stuff,
to me, it looked like text to just put everything
that they said in writing to then be like.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Look, there's the there's the.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Rag that we found with the DNA, like it looked very,
very fake. I'm not saying it was fake, but my
am I I don't it either.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But still don't still don't kid with the fucking rifle
on that campus either, Like I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Like they say, oh, he dismantled it. He had in
his backpack. Bullshit.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
The barrel on that thing wouldn't have fit in that backpack.
Then they say, oh, it's in his pants. Then you
go bullshit. You look at his pants. Their skin tight.
There's no way you can fucking hide the rifle in
your pants. Like you they're just lying. So like, if
you want to give me a narrative that makes sense, Okay,
this is a radical leftist who's banging some you know,
furry at home and he has this opportunity to take
out Charlie. He knows at the events. The next day,

(38:31):
he goes and he plants the gun the day before. Okay, like,
there's a narrative that I could buy. And then the
gun is already on campus. He snuck it in the
middle of the night and it's on the rooftop and
he takes the shot and he pieces out, like, Okay,
maybe maybe you could like paint a picture that actually
seems viable. But like what they're telling us currently is
not possible. It's just flatly not possible. And if if

(38:54):
you give me a narrative that's not possible, well then
I have no choice but to try and figure out
a narrative that is. So I think that's the problem,
is that, like, and then instead of giving us something
that's believable, they don't. And then everybody who goes, well
I don't believe you, they go, what's wrong with you?
How could you not take us seriously? It's like, well,
because you've lied, like clearly you've lied about some of this.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
It's just very it's very tough. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
I mean, I'm interested to see the court case me too.
Right now, I'm not overwhelmed with the evidence, So I
want to see if they have more evidence that they
don't they're not showing because you know, as you're kind
of hinting to with the evidence right now, Like, I
don't know that it's like an open shut case, as
much as they're trying to say, like there, you know,
I said, there's three thousand people there filming from every

(39:39):
single angle, and there's really no high quality footage of him,
like you said, shooting doing it. And I believe that
there probably would be because everybody wasn't just facing Charlie,
some people were behind him. I find it really hard
to believe that no four K camera on an iPhone
sixteen or seventeen caught better footage than just that security footage,
and even that security footage just doesn't isn't an open

(40:00):
shut case. Like an open shut case would be somebody
who caught him shooting in the act game over, the
guy's kids come to jail.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Surveillance should have caught him in the prone position taking
that shot. Like the what they're saying is that he
took it basically seconds before you see him running. It's like, well,
then show us the fucking five six seconds beforehand, Like
it's just it's it all rubs me the wrong way.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Well, I think everybody will be paying attention when the
when the court case comes out, and uh, you know,
I know Cash is doing his best to reform the
image of the FBI and get people to trust it.
But you know, unfortunately due to like Freedom of Information Act.
I remember reading this. It was in uh they put
it in CNN. But it's not like CNN's trustworthy. It's

(40:42):
more just like they covered this story that was Freedom
of Information Act. There was some Muslim guy who was
suicidal and he was texting some girl, but the girl
was an FBI agent and he was suicidal and saying
like I want to kill myself.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
And then the FBI agent was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
don't do it.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Like do it to a lot of people, trying to
get him to commit a mass atrocity, and they do this.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
He was like, no, I don't, I don't want I
don't want to do that.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
So it's like, you know, I wish, like you said,
like I wish that wasn't history like recent history. I
wish they didn't do stuff like that. I'm not saying
they were in on it, but when they want everyone
to like fully trust them, I understand why they'd want that.
But trust is a two way street, so you have
to either show more evidence or understand that people are
going to question you. And I think you know for

(41:28):
somebody that I'm sure if I met Cash, I think
you talked to him once, but like I would love to.
I'm sure we'd get along and be friends and be cool,
but like he seems very spiteful, Like when people ask questions,
he seems like he gets really nasty and really like
to me, it just seems a little bit unprofessional where
it's like, bro, I get like, I get it, but
you should also get it more than anybody else because

(41:49):
you were running around podcast question the FBI, so I like,
I understand some people are doing too much, but it's
like he's like, how dare people question this?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
How dare people question that?

Speaker 4 (41:58):
And also with this girl, like I get people we're
saying too much and I understand that he doesn't like it,
but it's like she's she's on Fox News all the time.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
She's like, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
It would be like if I dated Tommy Lauren and
I was like, hey, stop talking about Tommy Lauren, or
she's on TV every every week, Like I don't know
you know, it's like that I talk about like Dnesta
Zuza because he makes podcasts and stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I'm not trying to pick on the guy.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
It's just if you know, the publics dating a public
figure and then mad that people are talking about a
public figure.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
It just I just don't like his demeanor.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
I wish you would say, like, hey, I understand why
people don't trust it. We're we're going to prove your
trust and and and keep you know, keep the criticisms
of of me and my family above the belt.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Don't don't go below the belt, because that's fair.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
But it's like acting shit that if people are asking
questions like it's I don't I don't understand the whole
dynamic of it. And I like, I'm just observing everybody
acting crazy. And as you said, like there's a lot
of people on not necessarily Cash's side, but on the
Zionis side that are just they're just becoming like really
unhinged and just really like ridiculous with stuff. And I

(43:02):
I kind of get why I think they control the
institutions and even the Trump administration, but not they're losing
like the public perception and they're spiraling because of it.
But as spiraling isn't going to bring it back, So
you know, I get. I'm trying to be as like
reasonable as I can, Like I understand why Cash would
do that, and I understand it, and I'm sure he's

(43:23):
in a really tough position, but like you said, I'm not.
I'm I don't I'm not blown away by the evidence,
but I'll be patient, and you know me, personally, I'll
wait to see what they do in the court case.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Other people like yourself and others.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Clearly you don't want to wait to see what they
have and you're gonna say what you will think because
I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Think you have the First Amendment right to do that.
So it is.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
I mean, it's like I said, though, if the narrative
they had painted seemed logical and like coherent, I wouldn't
be doing this. But it's simply not. And I think
that's that's the reason that I have decided not to wait.
Is like, Okay, well, I don't think that this case
is solved, even like I really don't, and I'm sure
as fuck don't trust that they're gonna present this evidence

(44:05):
in court that suddenly I'm going to be like, Okay,
everything all of these other lies that they said, they
all now make sense.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Like, no, I don't believe he was hit with the
thirty odd six.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
What do you think they lie? What lies do you
think they do?

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Thirty got six? I mean start there. I also don't
believe that Tyler Robinson worked alone. I think that he had,
you know, the even if you assume that he is
the shooter, the communications he was having with you know,
his boy girlfriend whatever, I don't buy that. I like,
I think that the best explanation for those text messages

(44:38):
is that Tyler Robinson was painting an alibi for his
girlfriend guy friend. So like, that's the best explanation for
why those come off so fraudulent and have so much
detailed despite the fact that he's like gotten away with
the most high profile assassination of our lifetime, and then
he's like, I'm gonna lay out all of the missing
pieces and evidence that you need to put me in
prison forever. But simultaneously it makes it so that my

(45:00):
girl guy friend is exonerated entirely. It's like, hmm, that
rubs me the wrong way or the FBI drat, I
mean that's possible too.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
I want to build off that because one hundred percent,
I agree with what you just said. If if those
are authentic text messages, either he's the most retarded person alive,
which he's probably not, but yeah, it's provided it's basically
like screwing him over because especially because they don't really
have that much evidence anyway, so that evident the text
message evidence, like you're telling me that he was smooth

(45:30):
enough to get through all this security dodge everybody, take
the shot on a on a rooftop, not be seen,
escape for hours, and then he just decided to throw
it all away by text messaging every single thing he
just did and put it in a digital text so
they could find it.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Because really that's like all they really found.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
And you know, so for sure, either it's a freaking
made up lie that they just planted to pick their story,
or like you said, he's covering for his significant other,
like you know, and if they can't even admit that,
where it's like didn't didn't they say recently that his
significant other was like missing or something, and it's like,
what a sloppy, ridiculous case. I agree with that one

(46:09):
hundred percent, Like best case scenario was he was planting
that to make it to help other people who help
them make it look like they didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Help them exactly, you know, but that's that's a scandal
in y that that means, that means that there are
other people that need to be on trial. So either
it's totally fraudulent, in which case you got the wrong guy,
or he worked on this with his roommate dude, you know,
like uh and probably others. And I think there's a

(46:39):
distinct possibility too, you know, given his background, that there
was other people that had foreknowledge. So they should be
charged as accomplices because if they knew that he was
going to do anything like this, then they should be
held criminally liable. Like I'm not saying that they should
be in prison for the rest of their lives, but
like that's a crime. If you know someone's going to
commit a murder and you don't say anything about it,
and then they did, then you're in trouble. So like

(47:03):
these are all they're all multitude of layers, and those
are like the most benign variables that we don't have
answers to. And then you have you know, as there's
been reports that have been buried. You had Joe Kent,
who was digging into the foreign intel angle and then
Cashpitel squashed it and had you know, a beef with
with him about that even though he's like under d

(47:25):
and I Tulsa Gabbard and he's like counter counter terrorism
you know, expert or whatever or like the top guy
for counter terrorism for America like that that you should
be exploring that angle, as we've just detailed before, like
all of these other groups had motives too, Like lots
and lots and lots of groups had motives. So we
need to have a real open mind when you're pursuing

(47:48):
this case, not a narrow focus of we got the guy,
everybody shut the fuck up and just wait seven months
for the trial.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Like no, not acceptable.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Let me ask you this, they're doing that right, I'm
not buying it.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
You're millions of people are not buying it because of
all the things you just mentioned. What do you like,
what do you think the solution is in the sense
of like do you think it's citizen journalism, like people
just trying to put the pieces together, Like like.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, it'd be nice if like it would be nice
if we had a reputable federal law enforcement agency that
could investigate, uh, you know, multinational terrorism plots. But the
truth is is that even though we have that agency,
they're completely compromised obviously, as evidenced by guests of my
show like Steve fran Kyle Saraff and others that are

(48:33):
whistleblowers against this current iteration of the FBI, and which
by the way, have not been hired back despite the
fact that they were promised that they would be. So
we don't have that. So yeah, I mean, now like
we are left to Candice Owens being our lead investigator
on YouTube. That's just the reality. And that dude, that
dude is responsible for killing from reports I ever had
dozens of American servicemen in uh in Iraq, So look,

(48:58):
that's yeah, I mean we have we are ruled by
you know, like killers were ruled by not just killers,
but like a lot of them are pedophiles. I mean,
they're like the nature of our government is so depraved
that for anybody to expect us to take it face value.
What our government says about this is just laughable. That

(49:19):
doesn't mean that all of the most far fetched accusations
are correct, obviously, it doesn't mean that. It just means that,
like it's now left to us the people to figure
out a lot of this stuff. And fortunately, because of
the Internet, because of HD cameras being so ever present,
we're actually capable of doing a lot of this stuff.
And we have actually made a tremendous amount of progress
in you know, opening up other potential avenues of interest

(49:42):
that ought to be explored if there is a law
enforcement and law enforcement agency that is interested in doing so.
The sad part is I don't. I don't think that
there is. I don't think that there's any interest, And
I think that's why I've become increasingly angry at the
TPUSA people, is that you know, as you said, they
are involved in this case in a way that like

(50:04):
they probably are almost gagged. You know, they're not gagged,
but like they're being told, hey, you cannot talk about
this case. You can't talk about XYZ because it could
jeopardize you know, the prosecution, and don't you want justice
for Charlie? Like these people are carrying a tremendous amount
of weight, especially if all maybe it's certainly possible none
of them were involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk

(50:25):
and they lost their friend and their boss, you right,
So I have a lot of sympathy for that position,
But I also simultaneously look at it and I say,
if I can see all of these things, all of
these errors in the narrative, why aren't you as mad
as me? Why aren't you more mad than me? You know,
like those are the things that start to rub me
the wrong way because and I think that's why Cannice

(50:45):
Owens has exploded in popularity is because she is reflective
of the emotion that the average American that has been
studying this case feels, is that this all fucking stinks, dude,
Like this does not come across like a legitimate case
at all against Tyler Robinson. And why is everybody who
was allegedly best friends with Charlie Kirk all so quiet?

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Why are they all so quiet?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
And I think that's where we start to get into,
like then you have the other layer of conspiracy where
you're like, maybe they're they're fearful because they realize that
there is something off with this, and they're like, I
don't want to be next.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Yeah, So here's what I would say, as somebody that
understands that they probably can't really say that much if
they're in on the case. To some extent, they're really
like you're saying, they're being quiet, but they're kind of
like not being quiet. And I think that's the issue
that people have, is that they're talking so much, but
they don't seem that concerned at like solving the mystery,
because in their opinion, there is no mystery.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
So it's like, you know, they're they're.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Everywhere, they're they're doing all these interviews, they're saying all
this stuff like Jack Sweeting every day like it was
a furry well, you know, like every day it's like
this a leftist did this leftist at that. So it's
like he's talking about it but with no curiosity whatsoever,
which he maybe he knows more, maybe he does, you know,
he believes that. I don't know, but I, like I said,
I understand why people are just a little confused at it.

(52:03):
And say, like Tyler Coovert or whatever his name is,
he was the one who broke the story about the bullet,
and it's like that didn't come from the FBI, that
didn't come from the nurses or doctors or I don't
know if they're even allowed to that came from him.
So now he kind of like inserts himself as the
pr guy, so like he is the guy who said
that that bullet did it to Charlie Kirk, and that's
one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle that nobody

(52:24):
else told us, so it's kind of like he inserted
himself in it. The best thing I could say of
like why people are acting a certain way is like
I think one, you know, I don't think that people
close to the case are allowed to say and investigate
as much like they're probably being strong armed by the FBI,
or at least like working with them and not being
strong armed. But then also I do like, and I'm

(52:47):
not trying to be rude or say this about anybody individually,
because there's some great people at turning point in everywhere,
but I do think this industry is filled with narcissists
and sociopaths. So it's like it's coming off a little
weird to everybody else because even though maybe this wasn't
how they anticipated their rise into fame and popularity, it
is how they got their rise to fame and popularity,

(53:07):
and it's not a great way to get that. But
a lot of these people are like leftover Hollywood bros,
like you know, and like PR teams from LA.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
So it's like they're just like way too.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I'm not asking them to be sad every day, but
they're hitting it in stride and like loving all this
new attention. They're talking all the time and like you
said to me, and I'm not saying they can't they
have to please me because I'm not their audience anyway,
But it's like I don't care about Tyler, Like you know,
I never even knew who he was, Like his character's
not interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
But I'm not saying he has to do what I want.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
But it's like if you're talking every day all the time,
but it's never looking into what happened, then yeah, it's
not really that appealing to me because I'm more interested
in people that are trying to even if you do
think it's Tyler, just go through all the evidence, make
journalistic videos about that, like I think that that's the
most interesting angle.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
And they do this with a lot of different things too.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Is like they're not that curious about like certain wars
and certain narratives.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
It's more like what we said.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
And I'm not saying it's turning point, but like you know,
the Trump Administration's like, what we said about Venezuela is true.
If you disagree with us, you're a terrorists. What we
said about Iran's true. And there's the people that have
no curiosity are rewarded by the establishment because they're the.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Useful idiots that just kind of take up space.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
So I'm not saying like turning points in a pickle
where it's like, I'm sure the FEDS don't want to
say this, this and that, but the truth is they're
all talking so much all the time about everything, but
they're not saying anything interesting at all about the assassination.
And like you like, maybe they can, maybe they can,
but Candice Owens is the only game in town. She's
the only show in town, and nobody else is even trying.

(54:47):
And if I were to watch a turning point thing,
I would want to hear something like adding something to
the story, not just them like laughing, giggling and getting
famous off of Charlie's death. I'm not saying it's their
fault saying they shouldn't do a show, but that's how
you're kind of taking it, and that's how even for me,
it's like, I you know, they're saying a lot all

(55:08):
the time, but they're just not talking about that and.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
Talking about what the audience wants to hear.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I mean, that's and you know, simultaneously they're like, they're like,
we got to carry on Charlie's legacy and we got
to do this and that, and it's like, how about
we get fucking justice for Charlie before we worry about
carrying on his legacy.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
You know, That's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yeah, and let me let's say this too, and I
want to hear what you have to say, Like God forbid,
obviously it didn't happen, but like God forbid, Trump actually
got got by.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Crooks or whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Would we just start talking about how great Trump was
and nobody's looking into who this freaking skinny kid is
that assassinated our president and threw off the entire election
and perhaps did the biggest.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Thing since JFK. Is that the best way to honor Trump.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Is just just ignored what happened when they just took
like Charlie was on that level. To me, I think
it's the highest profile political assassination since DFK. So I yeah,
like I'm not asking people to believe everything that everyone's saying,
but it's like, you guys are just acting like that
didn't happen, and most of us feel like it's more
interesting to get to the bottom of it than it

(56:11):
is to just act like he's a hero.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
He's a hero, and we're not curious.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
At all, Like would they have done that if Donald
Trump got taken out by crooks.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
No investigation whatsoever. He's a lone wolf. Let's just chalk
it up as that and move on like it.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
I don't think they understand how little it makes sense
and how few people want that sort of entertainment versus
the looking into it.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
You know, that's what people want, and then they also
are not taking in consideration how fucking infuriating it is.
You know, like I only met Charlie a couple of times,
and I didn't know him. You know, I'm not claiming
to be his friend by any stretch of the imagination.
I was not, But I still look at him as
a colleague. You know, he was a guy that was
in our world that commentated on these things on the regular,

(56:55):
and he had a voice that mattered and it made
you know, it made wayes. It was newsworthy at times,
and it's just like, I know a lot of people
that are you know, Charlie kirk Ish, A lot of
people that are you know, have have similar roles in
this in this environment, and it's like I just saw
one of us get clapped, you know, Like this is

(57:17):
this is very fucking serious, and I just feel like
there is a lack of seriousness about this from everybody,
Like it's just not being it's not being dealt with
or felt or discussed with the gravity that it deserves
that Like this young man who was such an earth
mover just got taken in front of three thousand people

(57:38):
and the rest of the world, and we're all like, well,
let's uh make sure that we just fucking craft the
narrative that he had never wavered for even one second
of his life about his relationship and his love for Israel.
Like that's that's the primary concern that so many people
have about this case is just we have to make

(57:58):
sure that everybody is convinced that Charlie kirk never ever
had a problem with anything with Israel, even though we
have him on tape saying otherwise, and we have private
text messages saying otherwise, but we have That's the primary thing,
not that we make sure we get justice for him
and his fucking wife and his children. No, just the
his fucking legacy is painted in cement with a lie.

(58:19):
And it's like, you guys, do you guys are sickening
human beings? Like you're fucking You're sick, you're gross people.
And I'm not saying that that means you killed him,
but there's something fucking wrong with you people.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Seriously, But do you a Devil's advocate?

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Do you do you think that people critical of Zionism
are kind of doing the same thing, like even though
Charlie ninety nine percent of his life was a pro Zionist, Yes,
and they're trying to make it seem like he was
this fighter against Israel when he was probably one of
their best Christian compentile allery.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
But I mean a lot of that comes from ignorance
because they the only thing they know about Charlie Kirk
is the text messages that came out afterwards or they
saw him doing that, making Kelly clip you know I'm
talking about I'm I'm reserving my anger for the people
that were in the inner circle of Charlie Kirk's life
that then overtly lied about the conversations that they were

(59:11):
actually part of, Dude Josh in that fucking group chat.
You know, that's different than Ian Carroll or anybody else
coming out swinging in the design.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Did he say before those texts came out that that
never happened?

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Is that what you're saying, because I haven't really said.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
I said that. He said that Candis Owns was lying.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
And then they came out, and then Tyler Colvert or
whatever said those are the real texts.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I mean that's why, like I said, Candace to the
Zionists to me reminds me of Trump versus the Left.
It's like, no matter how much she stumbles or messes
up in any category, I'm not saying she's doing all
the time. It's just like she's beating them because she
she like you know, she's like stumbling in the direction
of investigation, and every time she does something, they do something,

(59:59):
and what they do is like way more dishonest or
way more off the rail or way more like remember
when that picture came out, this is like weeks ago
now of him at Dairy Queen. It's like, I wonder,
I like, no one said that that wasn't right. Integrity
is on the line and her journalism. But no one
ever said if that was a real image or not.

(01:00:23):
And it's almost probably like embarrassing to the FBI because like,
if you had that image, would you put it out
because they put out crappier image, Like why would you
put out a crappier image but not a better image?
And if Candice got that before you did, like what
does that mean? So it's like no one's ever said
that that image wasn't right, which which leads me to
believe that it was right, which leads which is crazy

(01:00:44):
to people that a YouTuber and a podcaster is doing
a more like deep deep dive on this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
And it's also crazy that a kid who just committed
the highest profile assassination of our lifetime went to fucking
DQ right after.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
As anyone has any news organization or government person like
made a statement on that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
None, right, no, no, I mean not that I've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
I'll just I'll leave it open, but I don't think so, so.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Which is just crazy, right, because they're trying to play
it like they're trying to play it like we're above
Candice Owens. We don't want to talk about what she's
doing in shadow investigation. But it's like, if you're above her,
why did she get that? Not you you know what
I'm saying, or like what like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
This is why I'm saying there's value in what she's doing,
Like this is valuable. Shit, it's super valuable that we
know that Charlie Kirk said that in private to a
bunch of people that then went out and lied for weeks,
for weeks, right after Charlie Kirk was murdered. They're just
out there on the fucking on you know, YouTube or
wherever the fuck they're at.

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
Lying over and over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
And they're simultaneously calling Candice Owns a liar, and they're
simultaneously saying that Candice and Charlie were not friends anymore,
that they had a falling out, and blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:52):
None of it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
It's just totally it's like they are painting a completely
inverted reality. And then and then simultaneously they go, well,
and also, it's just some random deranged leftists with a
furry boyfriend at home who committed this and he acted alone,
and you have to shut up the fuck up about it.
And I'm like, well, Cannice owns she's gotten a handful

(01:02:14):
of things wrong, no doubt, But it's like she's at
least interested in the truth for sure. I can tell
that I know that you people are liars. So who
do you think I'm gonna side with when it comes
to you know, where I'm getting my information from. It's
like I'm going to get more information from Cannis than
from people that I know are overt liars.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Like obviously, anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Prediction time, what do you think happens during the court case,
Like do you think they let people follow it? Do
you think it's behind closed doors? Like what's your prediction
for when that court case happens.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Well, I'll say this, If Tyler Robinson did it, then
they'll let cameras in that courtroom. If Tyler Robinson didn't
do it, we will not have cameras in that courtroom.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I mean you would assume how does it work
when they don't let cameras in the courtroom? Like people
are still they're still covering it, like they're still writing
down what's happening and releasing it to the Then you have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
To rely on a journalist to tell you what happened,
Whereas I want to be able to watch that fucking
case for myself. I want to see the testimony, like
and I've never I've never followed a case closely like that,
like I've I've always thought to the people that like
wash a court case as it as it's aired, or
like lunatics, I will be watching that one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
I'll watch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Yeah, I'll watch this one harder than I've watched anyone ever,
no question, because like this is it all comes down
to this, Like that's the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Do you know when it is?

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
Well, it was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
There was supposed to be hearings this month, and then
it got pushed to like January or February, so they're
already delaying. There's already been reports that came out that
said that at first it was going to be televised,
and now they're saying that it's not going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
I will give Posobic credit for this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
He did say that they petitioned the court to maintain
cameras in the courtroom, that Charlie lived his life in
the public eye and this case deserves to be in
the public eye. So I hope that happens. I don't know, man,
like that, if you want me to believe whatever whatever
the actual you know, sentencing is or whatever the findings

(01:04:11):
are of the court when it comes to the Tyler
Robinson prosecution, if you want me to believe it, you
better fucking have those cameras rolling, because if you don't
have those cameras rolling, I'm just going to assume it's
a lie.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
That's the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Maybe I shouldn't do this, but I'm just gonna make
a hypothetical of my head. Not not that this is
going to happen, but it's like, let's just say he
didn't do it in reality, right only they know. Do
you think that they would ever like come to him
and say, like, yo, say you did it and you're
you're will let you off the hook? Or is it

(01:04:44):
too high profile where like if they charge him, he'd
have to go to jail, Like do you ever think
there's a be a case where they like pressure him
into like, you know, basically being like, yo, if you
say you did it, your sentence is less. Sometimes they
do that if you try to fight it and you lose,
then you're in jail for ten thousand years for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Like oh no, they're going they're gonna put him your death.
They're gonna they're going to try and hit him with
capital punishment. So that would be the carrit that they
would dangle. Say, look, I'm sure like it's just imagine
for a second, hypothetically that he's innocent and they but
they go, you know, we have you dead to rights
because you're framed essentially, so you can fight this case
against the most powerful state in human history and you're

(01:05:21):
gonna be convicted and you're gonna be ultimately put to
death or you have you know, thirty the life and
maybe you get out on parole when you're seventy.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I mean, that's certainly a leverage point that they could
use against him, but I think that look, I just
don't know. I mean, the other weird side of this
is that his family is so quiet. You know, if
if my son was innocent, there there's nothing on the
planet that could stop me from going in front of
the cameras every fucking day until in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
So yeah, I mean, I think they think he's guilty,
didn't they They turned him in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
But also it's one of the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
To it reports the hold on those those reports have
been challenged and apparently that's not what happened, or at least
there's allegations that that's not what happened, and that in fact,
they knew that their son, they thought that he was
not guilty, but he was basically a part of a
man hunt and they were afraid that he would be
killed if he didn't turn himself in, and that's why
they turned him in. So I just want to make

(01:06:20):
that clarification. That's that's Cannas's reporting. I don't know if
it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I haven't like the It's funny because the mainstream media,
for better or worse, probably for better, they're completely like
dead in the water, where like remember back in the day,
i'd go and like, even though I don't trust Fox
and CNN, I'd go read their reports to see like
what's being alleged and who's reporting what. Now I don't
click on any articles, and like that's kind of where
you'd find that stuff is in articles if you really

(01:06:45):
like dug through, and they'd reference police references and stuff.
But like nobody nobody reads articles anymore, So I like,
I haven't even kind of looked into it. But also
I'm not. I'll talk about it in a way that
I can based on what I know. But I'm I
guess I'm at the point where I'm like, I really,
for whatever reason, I just I really want to see
this court case. And you know, like all the speculation,

(01:07:07):
I mean, maybe something comes out that's a bombshell beforehand,
like things have come out that are bombshells, but like,
all eyes on that courtroom, all eyes on that court case, Like,
I really want to see what the FBI has, if
they have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
More evidence than they've shown.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
And also I want to see what he says, because,
like you said, I've heard speculation that he said he
didn't do it, you know, but and then I've heard
that he said he did do it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
I need to watch and see, like what he actually
says in court, because I've never heard the kid talk
except for those videos of him at a stop.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
I'll tell you the one thing I do know that
he's talked about is that he didn't plead guilty. So
you're telling me that this kid turns himself in and
then pleads not guilty, Like, isn't that kind.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Of strange too?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
That's weird. It's true.

Speaker 5 (01:07:49):
No, it is true. He pled not guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
So I look, there's just there's so many layers to
this that the lack of genuine curiosity from the rest
of the our world really has bothered me, and it
and it to me, it has demonstrated those that like,
I totally respect your position on this, by the way,
like wanting to hold off let's wait to see what

(01:08:12):
the you know, what comes out in court, Like that's
totally fair. Well, the people I've lost all respect for
are the people that are like like pasobic. You know,
I saw left to shoot Charlie, and I saw the
left celebrated. Yeah, you saw the left celebrated, but you
didn't fucking see a left to shoot Charlie. You're lying,
you don't have any evidence that. I don't know why
you're saying that. It seems like you're trying to, you know,
basically mk ulture your audience into believing that story.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
But like it has.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Demonstrated, it has shown so many of the bottom paid
for commentators in this world. And for the for the record,
that's okay, I like it. That's for people like you
and I. That's a benefit. Every time someone comes out
and they demonstrate that they're bought and paid for. That's
good for people like us because we're.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
Not so like, why do you think I'm not that
you have to know, But like, why do you think
Jack would say every like I know he's tweeting stuff
every day because I feel like it's only it's only
made more people like not agree, Like I don't think
it's working. It's working against him more than it's working
for him. But he just keeps saying.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
It every day.

Speaker 5 (01:09:12):
Like I give you the dark reason.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
You think he just kind of likes the you know,
likes the kind of play counterculture, and just like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Troll, I'll give you, I'll give you the real dark reason.
I mean, he comes from a background of military intelligence
in the Navy, So if if this is an operation,
you would want a guy like Posobac pushing your narrative.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
So it could be that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
It could also be that he genuinely believes it that
and it could also be that he's got additional evidence
that's been presented to him from Cash Putteller whoever else
that convinced him that this is in fact the truth.
I mean, all of those are possibilities, but I'll just
tell you based off of the actual public evidence that's
been presented. It comes across like it's an op It
comes across like he is he is painting a narrative

(01:09:57):
on behalf of the state. And if you're or you know,
allegedly drain the swamp, maga guy, well then you're not.
You're just not that. So that's how I feel about
Benny Johnson. That's how I feel about Paslobic and others.
I just think that they're they have shown their true colors,
that these people are compromised.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
That's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
I don't watch their show, so I haven't, Like, I've
never watched Benny Johnson with Jack. I don't like, I
don't watch his show, so I don't know what exactly
he's saying. I've seen the tweets, and I just see
like it's getting ratioed by like Ian Carroll and people
are you know, just like saying the exact opposite of
what he's saying, and it seems like that's the more
popular side. So I don't, you know, I guess it's

(01:10:38):
hard to ask what someone else is doing by it,
because I've seen a lot of people do a lot
of stuff and say a lot of stuff that I
wouldn't necessarily say, so it's hard to tell like why
they're doing it or what their motives are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
So I just like, at this.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Point I kind of have my opinions about like who's
who and what they're doing, and then at that point
it's almost like groundhog Day. Very rarely does somebody like
changed their tune or something, or you know, like I
would say, in the last month or two, I've seen
Mark Mitchell from Resmus and Poles. He seems like he's
kind of woken up to this, but like he's going

(01:11:11):
really hard. He's going really hard, but it's like besides him,
there's no shifts going on. Everybody's the same old character
and that's how And I'm not knocking anybody, but like
that's how I see Twitter too. It's like groundhog Day
of like the same people arguing about the same stuff
every day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
And I'm not I'm not holier than now. I don't
have the solution.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
I'm not acting like I'm a better than it, but
I'm just like, I don't know, I guess I just
stop interacting as much unless I'm really inspired to, cause
it's like literally every day it's like Jack tweets I
saw a leftist do this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Then Ian responds to him, and then you get mad.
It's like and it's like Jack's doing it every day.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
So I'm like, like, why else would you post the
same thing like every day unless you're purposely trying to
like argue or I like, I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Why he might be doing that. But here, I we
gotta we gotta rap her soon. So I gotta get
your opinion on the rise of Nick Fuentt is. I'm
just curious what your thoughts are. I mean, I'll just
give you just a brief primery, like I have ended
up in a defending Nick Fuentta's position that I really
didn't expect myself to be in. But I think it's
like at my core, like I'm a rebel, and I

(01:12:19):
love rebels, and I love like seeing someone who at
seventeen years old basically was blacklisted and just buried and
then treated like a terrorist and no fly and banks
closed and everything else and just abused and then labeled
the most hateful person on the planet, and then to
see them conquer all of that is like it's inspiring
to me, and I'm just being honest about that. He

(01:12:41):
and I have plenty of disagreements when it comes to politics,
there's no doubt about that. But overall, I think this
is good. I think it's healthy. I think that this
demonstrates that the gatekeepers are failing, that the you know,
the arbiters of what are acceptable opinions are basically in shambles.
And I think that's a good thing. So that's my opening, SOLbo,

(01:13:02):
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
I mean, his history checks out as far as there's
a tweet of Ben Shapiro calling him an anti semit
in twenty sixteen because he was talking about dual loyalty.
Most people, including myself, like that wasn't even on my radar.
Like sometimes people will say, oh, you were before Nick
on certain topics, and it's like maybe some, but not
that topic. I had no idea about that. In twenty sixteen,
I didn't even think about race or religion at all.

(01:13:26):
I was literally just thinking about Trump and Bernie. And
then the same thing happened to me in twenty nineteen.
They basically used Nick as a you're him and you're
a groyper just because I was an independent journalist, not
like Bowing out of the system, and I'm like, listen,
I don't care who I don't know who these kids are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
I don't know if they like Nick or not. I
don't really care.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
I'm listening to their question and I'm listening to like
Charlie and Dan Crenshaw's answer, and I'm like, the question
is valid and the answer sucks. So basically, I got
blacklisted for not condemning them in twenty nineteen. But I've
never I'm with a lot of people and they've even
though they don't maybe never talk to me and we're
not friends, they respect me because I've never lied about anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I've never condemned.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Like I'm not like all if Danessa's something I disagree with,
I'm not condemning Denesh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I'm not his daddy. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
I just that's what he said, Here's what I think. Like,
I just talk like a normal person. I'm not like
a gatekeeper. So yeah, I mean it's definitely for me.
It's the overton windows shifting. And as much as people
want to say, oh, well, we want everybody to talk,
not just Nick, that's not true, I'm living proof that
that's not true. I got Blacklist in the same exact way.
I didn't make the jokes Nicks made. And now Nick

(01:14:37):
is going mainstream on social media, and I think the
people who hate him are just hoping that people care
about jokes that he said five years ago or crude
things that he said, and it's like, that's about as
likely as people giving a shit about Trump grabbing him
by the pussy. Like, you know, you're trying to like
ruin this guy's whole career because of some messed up
things he said, and it just doesn't It's not working

(01:14:57):
to the general public. So for me, I was personally
glad to see Tucker interviewed Nick because it's just paradigm shifting,
and it's like some you know, two people on the
right that didn't like each other now having a conversation.
I have no issues with it whatsoever. People are spiraling
over it. So with Nick, it's like I've never met him.
I don't know what his true intentions are. Everybody's got

(01:15:19):
an opinion of him, but I, you know, I judge
him based on what he says and what he does,
and I think that he's extremely smart, extremely talented, and
you know, while everybody has character flaws, and he's got
some as well, and things that I don't agree with.
I think, yeah, like they try, I don't know, Like
you said, it's like a story of redemption.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
They try to blacklist this guy. They tried to say
he could.

Speaker 4 (01:15:41):
Never get anywhere, and now they're all talking to him
because the rules have changed and he brings in a
lot of views. So it's just like a fascinating thing.
And for me, I guess I'll say this too. The
people on the mainstream right, the neo cons, de Zionists,
even Democrats, they play all this word games where they
say you're bad because of this word, and I'm better.

(01:16:04):
It's like, but what if you started wars that killed
millions of people, What if you've gutted America? What if
you've destroyed the nation for the youth, what if you
locked the country down, what if you fuddled socialist money
to pharmaceuticals. You're better than him because he said a
bad word. Now you're a piece of shit.

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
Too short time we have I would say this. I
did say we should kill all hamas terrorists, and I
stand by that. And what I laughed at was a
fake picture that was sent to me where people tried
to claim that Israel was killing babies, but what they
sent me was a ten year old photograph of a
baby being killed in Syria by Muslims. The point was,

(01:16:41):
if this was real, you wouldn't have to generate fake pictures.
But what I would say is, even if all of
the things that he claims I did were true, to
say that is worse than someone who said the Holocaust
didn't happen, that women should be raped. That makes the
most horrific thing, says the most horrific things about black people.
When you will equate that and you'll say that's not

(01:17:01):
that bad, we've got a real problem. I've said Tucker
Carlson is the most dangerous anti summite in America, and
I stand.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
By that, and I would say, you're a bigger piece
of shit.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
So it's like the people, the people that are horrible,
they've always like they use certain words anti semi not
see this that to be like they're you know, they're
so bad and I'm so good because I use this
word against them, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Like it's not the case, Like you might be just
as bad, if not worse.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
So it's funny to see all of those people spiraling
because some of these people are horrible just because they
have little words that they call everybody, and then they're
justifying the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of like ten
year olds. It's like you're a sick Oh so yeah,
it's like, what, you know, why would I Why would
I be? Like if Tucker interviewed Ben Shapiro, should I say, oh,
I don't like Ben's opinions and he sold the bad

(01:17:49):
No fucking just talk to people and have a conversation.
But it's all the bitches and the weasels that are
freaking out about it. It's like anyone else just moves
on with their life and it's like, uh, I've.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Heard it for a year.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
I mean, he's been on Twitter for a long time
and his show, it's like, you know, he's he's been,
he's been a big player that they didn't want to
let in and now he's in, and now he's just
another one of these big players where you can choose
to like them or not like him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
But yeah, I don't think you should have.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
I think it's even better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I think it's like he's not in, he is the game,
like like they had their game board and he's just like,
we're not playing that game anymore. Like I'm playing I'm
playing my own fucking game. I've got my own private
platform that I fucking you know, crush and do hundreds
of thousands of viewers every night, probably millions now. And
it's like he didn't wait to be let back in.

(01:18:39):
He just fucking created his own path. It's really inspirational
and that I'm for one in awe of it, you know,
to do that from basically eighteen until you're twenty seven,
it's just like, it's funny. It's funny that he and
Charlie Kirk hated each other so much because I see
so so many malarities between the two. You know, Charlie

(01:19:02):
created a basically grassroots empire. Granted he may have done
it with a lot of state backing, I don't know.
But then Fuentes, in his own regard, did kind of
the same thing. He created his own empire of influence
amongst the young, and he did it without any help,
without any backers, without any funding, without a bank account
or fucking ability to fly. I mean, that's just like,

(01:19:24):
if you can't respect that, I don't think you fucking
like understand what it is to be an American honestly,
Like that's like, that is so quintessentially American to be
like I'm gonna break everything until I get to where
I want to go.

Speaker 5 (01:19:36):
Like that's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Sorry for the you know, I'm gonna be accused of
glossing him, but it's inspirational.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
It's fucking beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
I mean, I think a lot of people were banking
on constant censorship and constant gatekeeping, and the reality is
that the public moved away from that. I think things
shifted faster than people realize. But when you have a
country that wars have been lied about, like neighborhoods are
falling apart, they've let in tens of millions of illegals,
like they've then nobody's given a crap. The Republicans are

(01:20:05):
fake opposition. I think they've underestimated like how little the
youth really gives a crap. And I would say this
as somebody that grew up in the nineties, like I
had all sorts of friends on the bus. I had
an Indian I'm not just saying this, and I'm just
thinking about my childhood. I had an Indian friend, I
had a Jewish friend. My one friend was like low
key cripple, you know what I'm saying. Like we all
liked each other, but we all made jokes, but no

(01:20:27):
one ever even knew what the word racist was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Like we just kept it moving and it was like
a great time. Like it was just real.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Like even though we're your kids, like alpha man, you
just figure it out. I think the kids are going
back to that you could say retard again, like people
like it's like, oh, this is so bad. Why is
this so bad now? Because neo cons can't start another
war and keep everyone out. It's like even if he
is mean or whatever, it's just like I don't know.
And then they get mad or like he said this
about women and this and that, and I was like,

(01:20:53):
you're talking to the wrong person, because to me, the
Republican Party is like a feminist party. I think they're
like too liberal, you know. So it's like, I don't know.
It's like you want me to be spend all my
time mad at this kid, but not Ted Kruz and
not like Dan Crenshaw.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
It's just not gonna happen. And it never was.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
And like you know, you were saying like you thought
it was inspiring for me. They tried to blacklist me
in the same way, even though I had nothing to
do with them. So it's like they want me to
believe that they just hate him, but they did the
same thing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
So it's like, fuck you guys. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I'll give a fuck about you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
You do the same fucking thing to me, even though
I was nice, I never made jokes this and that.
You blacklisted me, you smeared my name, you wrote articles
about me, the Zionists published all this stuff. It's like,
fuck you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
You know what I'm saying. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
You're crying about this stuffy. The thing they want people
to believe is they're only going to do it to Nick,
and they're only going to do it Talic Jones. They're
only going to do it to Tucker, but not you.
It's not the truth. It doesn't matter how nice you are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Look at Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
He was the most pro Israel person I've ever seen
in my life, and they still called him an anti semi,
they still called him Hummas. They don't give a fuck,
you know, and everyone needs to wake up to that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
So, yeah, like if Nick, who cares?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
And I I met making Kelly a couple of nights
ago and I told her that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
I said, I said, look, if you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Get the Tuger Carlson treatment next, you've got ten million
people behind you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Don't kneel, you don't have to kneel.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
Don't ever kneel and uh And she said thank you,
and she was very sincere about it. And I was like,
I'm just like the fucking media environment has shifted, and
I don't think that the old guard gets it yet,
Like you're not gonna get You're not going to get
ahead by trying to appeal to power. The power is
the people now, Like that's it. And I know that

(01:22:36):
sounds like communism, but you know what I mean, it's
like the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Of communists, plentic communists.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
The populist the populist energy is like is super real.
And if you're not, if you're not vibing with it,
then just get the fuck out of the game, dude,
Like it's over for you. So I think that's where
we're at, Like we're gonna have basically like Fox News
and CNN and all these old institutions, they're all meaningless.
So now you have the influencer class. You have the

(01:23:03):
Benny Johnson's and Pacifics of the World and Charlie Kirk's
of the world, which were basically the new Fox News
where they get to funnel their messaging through those talking heads,
like that's what they were doing. And now you have
the rebellion. You have the like the independents that are
eating all of these people's lunch in listenership, like across

(01:23:25):
the board. And I just think it's over for these people.
So that's why I'm nervous about censorship. I'm nervous about
as all the antip platform.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
But I don't know it's over for them because they
already they control a huge portion of the establishment, like
CBS was just bought by Allison's family, Like it's not
over for them. They own most most things, but they
don't control.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
I'm saying in terms of like a meaningful conversation, Sorry, go.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Ahead, well here's my and not that they're going to
listen to me, because they don't ever, but it's like
it should be treated almost like I'm not saying European politics,
but but like how they have their little segments and
they make deals together, like this is my thought with
like Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massey, people like Dave Smith,
you have to just stop calling everybody anti Semitic all
the time, listen to what they're saying, and strike deals

(01:24:11):
with them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
You know what I'm saying. Like I talked to someone
at Turning Point. He has no.

Speaker 4 (01:24:14):
Institutional power, but he just knew I was right about
this forever. And he was like, oh shit, everybody's on
your side. Now, let me ask you what's going on.
And I'm like, bro, I'm not the ringleader. I'm just
a fucking honest American who's like six years ahead. But
he's like asking me, like, what could we do this
and that, because he was getting like nervous that everybody
was like overrunning their side. And I'm like, bro, compromise.
I'm not an unreasonable person.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I said. For me, I'm not a politician. I have
no say. No one does a fuck what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
But if I actually had the power to make a
deal for this side, get these IHRA International Speech laws
out of the United States of America. They have no
place here. They're unconstitutional, they don't help. It's anti American.
If they started working with the Marjorie's and the Massies.
They're shockingly reasonable. And then the more Americans get out

(01:25:01):
of it, the less they give a shit about Israel.
They only care because it's central to everything all the time,
and we're not do like it's not helping us at all.
So it's like, you know, that's my thought is like, oh,
you can't just run. You can't just run. You can't
just run Marjorie Taylor Green and Tucker out and you can't.
Like they're just escalating me like Nazi ims. Like it's
like actually crazy where it's like literally, chill the fuck out.

(01:25:24):
You don't like Tucker, he doesn't like you. Why don't
you guys like figure out something that you do, Like
maybe you can come together and get like crime off
the streets in Florida. You know what I'm saying, because
you both agree with that, Like there needs to be
coalitions and people make deals. I'm not mad at Zionis
all the time. I don't care that they like Israel.
I don't care that they want to do this, But
I'm not sitting freaking out all the time calling them
names like they already they've done to me for six years.

(01:25:46):
They've tried to run me out of town for six years,
lie about my name.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Like it's not working. Clearly it's not working.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
So I think that that's the future is like people realizing, like, hey,
we have different ideas. You know, we're on the same side.
Let's strike deals and try to do things that are
mutually beneficial. Look, I don't I don't think they're going
to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
Personally.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I agree, I agree with everything you're saying, and I
agree with that last line too, But you don't think
they're going to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Because their primary mission in life is the defense of Israel.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
That's the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
And so all of these compromises that you're coming up with,
which are very reasonable and I would get on board with, obviously,
and it basically probably ninety percent of Americans would get
on board with. It'll never happen because the people that
actually control the the you know, the strings of power
are that's not an acceptable compromise because the priority has
to be the defense of Israel. And for whatever reason,

(01:26:39):
they have a very sick ideology that tells them that
you have to not talk negatively about Israel, you like,
we have to actually deplatform we can't actually have this conversation.
Free speech is actually not acceptable, Like open debate is
not acceptable.

Speaker 5 (01:26:52):
We kind of white platform.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Why can't they defend Israel without passing international speech laws into.

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
America because their actions indefensible.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Why can't they defend Israel without doing like nothing for
you know, saying like I don't under like and I'm
not I'm not saying you're wrong, because what the whole reason?
Like even when I saw Mali, I was like, I
don't trust him because he cried at the wall and
they're like, oh, you're just someone was like, oh, you're
just being hateful. No, it's pattern recognition that for some reason,
I don't know why, because I think you can support

(01:27:23):
Israel and want to defend them and be a good
American politician.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Like I literally think it's possible. I just really haven't
found it. Santus is the closest thing to it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
I think he does a pretty solid job besides him
as governor. It's like, for some reason, ninety nine percent
of these people that they can't double task. It's like,
in order to help Israel, they need to just throw
everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Out the window. And I'm like, why are you? Why
are you doing this like, well, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
I don't understand their compromise.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
That's my honest opinion is that like once you've, once
you've got into those positions of power off of you know,
APEC or whatever, SIONUS dollars, you just you're not You're
no longer in control at all. So there is no
there is no interest in rebitting crime or poverty or
whatever actually ails the American people. And it's just this

(01:28:11):
is the whole problem with foreign influence. Anyways, we've gone
way too long, man, I didn't I only wanted to
keep you for an hour. So I really really appreciate
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