October 9, 2025 • 41 mins
In this explosive episode, we dive into Candace Owens' shocking document dump, revealing leaked text messages that confirm Charlie Kirk's plan to abandon the pro-Israel cause just 48 hours before his assassination. We uncover Josh Hammer's alleged lies about Kirk's stance, raising questions about a potential cover-up involving Zionist donors and political motives. Andrew Kolvet, TPUSA's PR rep, verifies the texts' authenticity, having shared them with law enforcement as a critical lead. Join us as we unpack the conspiracy theories, hidden agendas, and the fight for justice. Check out my show over on Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/show/nUTYcMtl4yMuoKHljZWu Become a supporting member of Liberty Lockdown here!: https://libertylockdown.locals.com/ This is where I do monthly AMA's for supporting members only Super valuable stuff! Twitter: https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod Pickup LL shirts over at https://www.toplobsta.com/products/ll-lakers?_pos=5&_sid=e7319ba4a&_ss=r&variant=40668064186434 NEW DESIGNS JUST DROPPED All links: https://www.libertylockdownpodcast.com/ Linktree: https://linktr.ee/libertylockdown As always, if you leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts with your social media handle I'll read it on next weeks show (audio version only)! Love you long time Liberty Lockdown presents a variety of opinions, sometimes opposing and controversial. They are not representative of the host of the podcast. Guests are encouraged to express their opinions in a safe and equitable environment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I do not accept and do you guys that Charlie
Kirk lost his life because he really pissed off.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The trans lobby.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It terrifies me to think that on a day that
Charlie died, I got multiple phone calls from people who
said that me and me and Tucker should lay low
because we're also on the list. And they never told
us who specifically told them that. By the way, now
I'm wondering why they never told us who specifically told
(00:31):
him that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I called Tucker.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm like, I'm hearing her, you're hearing something I'm hearing
up there saying that we're next. And now I go,
was that supposed to be a threat to me and
Tucker to have us watch the public execution of a
friend of ours and then to call us and to
say you should lay low for a little bit because
you guys were hearing that you guys are on a list?
(00:53):
Was that just supposed to be a threat?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
As is now a bi weekly occurrence, Candice Owens has
again dropped a bombshell, multiple bombshells. Actually, I'm going to
start by talking about a very interesting tidbit that I
don't think you should be focusing on I know that
that sounds weird that I would start with that, but
it'll make sense. So Cannis Owons had a basically document
(01:15):
dump and proved out many of her claims that she
made almost a full month ago. Now that people have
been just constantly lambasting her, where's the receipts? You liar,
you liar, you liar. Then she delivers the receipts, and
now it's how could you possibly put out text messages
that were supposed to be private about a man who died,
and how dare you? It's like, oh, so you just
(01:37):
whatever she says and whatever evidence she has to back
up her claims, you're just going to blaster regardless. Essentially
what you're saying is shut up. Candis owns. We're not
interested in the truth of who took out Charlie Kirk.
We are just interested in controlling the narrative and making
sure that the guy who we currently have in custody
is prosecuted and put to death, regardless of the facts.
(01:59):
That's actually what you're in. Now we're on the same
page here. I get exactly what you're doing, all right,
So let's start with the story that is interesting but
probably not something you should be totally focused on Josh Hammer. Now,
Josh Hammer is a very important figure in this story,
and I definitely want you to focus on him, But
this aspect of the story I think could be a
(02:19):
misdirect to a certain degree. Both prior and after Charlie
Kirk's assassination, Josh Hammer inexplicably tweets out public execution. The
first one he actually does it with a quote tweet
of Donald Trump from a dozen years ago, where Trump
is talking about how there should be public executions because
(02:39):
then it'll send a message and it'll stop this shit,
and he just says, based Okay. At the time, I
couldn't really remember the context of that day in that
news cycle. I went back and I looked, and in fact,
I was talking about Arena, the poor girl who had
been killed on that train, and I think that's probably
what he was referencing. It is in to note, though,
(03:00):
and I think it's very important that people understand the
context of this. In Josh Hammer's own admissions, that night,
the very night that he sent that out, he was
having a conversation on that zoom call, and I know
it was with a rabbi and Charlie Kirk, he said others.
So I think that there may have been one or
two more people. I do not know who they were
on that call, but they were having a conversation about
(03:24):
how Charlie would address any critiques of Israel during his
campus tour. Now that's how they frame it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So now we actually spoke literally the night before his
tragic and untimely death. I was on a small zoom
call with him in a couple others. We were literally
talking through this topic. I was giving Charlie advice for
how to message on this issue on his forthcoming campus tour.
You know, he kind of jokingly mentioned me. He was like, Josh,
I'm going to mention your book his Rule and Civilization,
and it's so good. And that was literally our last conversation.
(03:53):
It's just so tragic. This letter that he wrote to
the Prime Minister Chris I read back in junior July
or so, and there were so many people in the
aftermath of his horrific assassination. Can the Zeblin's folks like
that who were saying that, oh, Charlie was turning on
the Israel. He was ready to sell them out and
renounce his life's work of sincere and genuine friendship with
(04:14):
the Jewish people in the Jewish State. But this letter
that he wrote to beating Anto Yahoo, Chris literally begins
the first sentence of the letter is I'm paraphrasing here,
what's a close paraphrase as a Christian, one of my
greatest joys in life is making friendships with the Jewish
people and defending the state of Israel. That's literally the
opening sentence of this letter.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Filth.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, absolute filth. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend it.
Whatever that is that lives in him does not live
in me. There's no truth in him. Obviously, there is
no truth in Josh Hammer. He could have said, well,
Charlie was going through forty eight hours earlier. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
He refused to that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Unfortunately, we will never know the truth of those conversations
because I can't trust josh Hammer, and you should not
trust Josh Hammer. And I'm going to prove to you
that this man is a just overt liar, despicable liar.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's a fact. I'll show you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So that night he's having this zoom call with this
is Charlie the Rabbi Josh Hammer, maybe one or two others,
and they're having this conversation about how he's going to
deal with these critiques of Israel. However, I'm I'm interested
now because of the because of the receipts, because of
the text message screenshots that were put out by Candice
Owans and confirmed by Andrew Colvitt of TPUSA.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Started this show to address some of the things that
have been going around on public, namely about a text
a group text chain that has been made known and
released by Candae Owans. And I just want to dress
it head on because you know, that was a text grab,
a screen grab that I had shared with people, so
(05:55):
it is authentic, and I want to go into it
because I actually am really excited that the the truth
is out there so.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We know these are real. I want to be very
clear about that, and it's that's the story. So we're
going to get into that in a second. But I'm
very interested to know given that just the night prior,
Charlie Kirk had said I have no choice but to
abandon the pro Israel cause. Were they actually just giving
Charlie Kirk a coaching lesson on how to be a
better defender of Israel? Or was this again, yet another
(06:27):
potential intervention to try and bring him back onto the plantation.
I think that's a question that we really need an
answer to, and I'm not sure that we'll ever get it,
but it would be very telling if that were the case.
The reason I say this is because that's the big
document dump from Candice is that in fact, everything she
alleged about how Charlie was in fact openly discussing his
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intention to abandon the pro Israel pro zionis cause just
forty eight hours before his life was taken, that is
true that happened. Does that mean that Israel killed him? No,
it doesn't. I want to be crystal clear about that.
But the fact that that happened factually, and instead of
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the people that were on that text chain acknowledging that
Cannice Owen's claims were true, all of them, all seven
of them, stayed totally silent about it, and some of
them actively and overtly lied intentionally to misrepresent Charlie's emotions, mindset,
outlook and potential motives for why he might have been killed.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
We're supposed to believe that he had that dramatic switch,
so he went from I'm done to like, hey, love you,
how can I be of more service to you? And
then in that exact same day, he was texting people
saying they are going to kill me on the same
day that he's on the zoom call. Is a fact
(07:59):
that at the same time, that same day, he's texting
people saying they are going.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
To kill me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And we are supposed to deduce from this that by they,
what he really meant was Tyler Robinson. He meant they
them duh, like a non binary person or a trans person.
They were going to kill him. That was what he
had a feeling about. And everything else is just completely irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Deeply disturbing, and something that needs if there is an
actual investigation happening, which I'm not even sure there is
at this point, but if there is, and if you're
not interviewing these people, that's a big problem. So, as
I said, the story that's kind of irrelevant in my
opinion is that then after the attack happens again again,
Josh Hammer posts public execution, no details, nothing else. And
(08:54):
I'm thinking, Okay, so you've just seen you've just seen
your buddy. I mean, this is allegedly I don't think
he was, but you've just seen your buddy brutally publicly executed,
and you're just randomly tweeting that out. Now, obviously the
defenders of him are coming out and saying, well, he
was talking about the guy who took out Charlie. Obviously,
(09:14):
it's like, okay, maybe there was no context whatsoever. So
just prior to the attack he's saying this, and right
after the attack he's saying this, and he's giving no
context whatsoever. And if you're familiar with the conspiracy theory world,
you're already familiar with the term revelation of the method,
where essentially like they have to tell you what they're
(09:35):
going to do before they do it, and they leave
these little breadcrumbs that aren't provable and it just causes
people to spiral out. But it's some sort of obligatory thing.
And I don't know if it's like Illuminati or whatever,
but I'm not going to go down that path because
it is not provable. So if you want to look
at those messages and come to the conclusion that yes,
he was in on it, and he was doing this
(09:56):
and he was notifying the world and he was sending
a message.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Maybe I don't know, but I'm not going there.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
What I want to focus on is that after one
of his close confidences, there's seven people on that text chain.
One of those guys was Josh Hammer, confirmed by Candae Owns.
He then went on a media circuit where he's just
talking about how it's totally false. Charlie has never been
more in for Israel. He just loves Israel. Do that's it.
(10:27):
There's no nuance. Candie Owens is a liar. She doesn't
have any proof of this, and he just overtly lied.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And it was really only over the past I don't know,
a year and a half or so that I would
say that we became closer and we started talking very frequently.
He formed a small group chat there, probably seven or
eight of us total in this group chat there. He
called it his brain trust, his brain trust for thinking
about Israel, for thinking about Jewish Christian relations. He was
very concerned about rising anti Semitism, so we talked a
(10:55):
little bit about that sort of stuff frankly, but above
all we really strategized, but how to turn back the
tide against rising anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiment on
the American right in Republican Party circles among young gen
Z conservative activists. Because of that, he did organize this
zoom call the night before he tragically was murdered, So
(11:16):
basically before he set foot the first event, he won
a kind of an hour long kind of prep call.
So it was me, a right wing rabbi friend of
mine who lives in Jerusalem, pays off Willicky, a couple
of his producers, and there was one Christian pastor and
that was basically it. And Charlie had a list of questions.
You know, how do I respond when the students asked
me about starvation, famine, genocide, borders, two state solution, this,
(11:38):
that there. But the mere fact that he was seeking
our council, I mean, communicated on a virtually daily basis
through this active group chat and one on one. The
fact that we were doing that, along the fact that
he had that particular zoom call with people like me
the night before he was killed, I think really profoundly
calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready
(12:00):
to renounce his well established lifelong support for the Jewish people,
for the state of Israel.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I need you to think to yourself why that is
now the obvious and seemingly or somewhat benign answer is that, well,
he's just a propagandist. He's just a paid propagandist for Israel.
And maybe it's that simple, but I'll tell you what
I feel about it. I feel like that's really really suspicious.
How could you not be suspicious of that? You have
(12:28):
a guy who built his empire, the Tpusa Empire, over
a dozen years or whatever it was, much of which
was being done with Zionist donor money, be that Jewish
Zionists or the Christian evangelicals that have a similar worldview
when it comes to Israel. And Charlie Kirk in these
messages is saying, just lost another major donor two million
(12:51):
dollars out the door, and I'm not going to be bullied,
and I have no choice but to abandon the pro
Israel cause.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another
huge Jewish donor two million a year because we won't
cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Somebody writes, oh,
Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes.
I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving
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me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.
So again, this is forty eight hours before Charlie cobsasaity.
He was very clear, and he was very explicit, and
he did not back down out in that Hampton's meeting,
which they're all lying about, nor in this text thread.
I'm not going to reveal the names of the other seven. Actually,
you know what, I disagree with myself four seconds ago.
(13:40):
Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for fundzies.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
He's on this chat, okay, instead of just telling the
truth about that, which is the obviously right thing to do.
If you're actually interested in justice for your friend, well
then say, yeah, Candace is right. He was having a
hard time. Donors were pressuring him because of his platforming
of Tucker carl and Dave Smith, et cetera, and his
(14:02):
relationship with Candace, and they wanted him to part ways
and he refused and they started to rip funding from him,
and yeah he did. He talked about you know, they
could have spun it. They could have said, well, he
was just you know, venting, and he was thinking, maybe
I gotta go a different direction because I gotta keep
the doors open. But he still loved Israel, like they
could have spun it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That way. They didn't. He just lied.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He just lied overtly, over and over and over again
during an active murder investigation. He lied about a glaring
potential motive for him to be taken out. If you
find that acceptable on any level, there's something deeply wrong
with you. And I'm referring to James Lindsay and all
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these other pro Israel pundits that have absolutely lost their
mind in any sense of or semblance of justice in
their concern with this story, because that is a huge
misdirect that in the early hours of an investigation, everything matters,
All of the pertinent information about potential motives matters so much.
(15:04):
And we're talking in just a few days after and
all of these people stayed quieter. They lied, but not
one of them did not stay totally quiet though, And
this is an important thing for you guys to know.
Andrew Colvitt came out. He was basically, you know, the
pr rep for TPUSA and Charlie's kind of right hand man.
He acknowledged on his show yesterday that these texts were real.
(15:26):
That's how we know factually that they are.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
That was a text grab, a screen grab that I
had shared with people. So it is authentic, and I
want to go into it because I actually am really
excited that the truth is out there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And basically what he says in it is that he
had screenshotted those messages and sent them to a government official.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way,
but I did share it with some people in government
because it happened really quick. It was you know, it
took thirty three hours for authorities to get their suspect,
and that in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned,
We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it
with a few people. Don't know where it went from there, apparently.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But here we are, so I don't know if that
was FBI or what, but clearly he thought that they
were pertinent. And I want you to really take a
minute with that fact that Andrew Covid, Charlie's second in command,
more or less, had these messages and he thought that
they were meaningful enough that he screenshoted them and he
(16:35):
and he sent them to law enforcement. So everybody coming
out in the aftermath of Candice Owns dropping these receipts
and saying this proves nothing. This is irrelevant. This doesn't
tell you anything. One of his best and closest confidants
screenshotted them and sent them to law enforcement right after
Charlie was killed. Why would he do that if he
(16:55):
thought it was irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He thought it was relevant, thought it was a potential lead.
That's not Candace Owens. That's not Dave Smith or Ian
Carroll or Clint Russell. This is not anyone who's anti
Israel by any stretch of the imagination, at least not
that we know of publicly. Who thinks that the fact
that he was having funds pulled from TPUSA by a
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pro Israel donor and that he had decided that he
had no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause
was an interesting tidbit that law enforcement needed to know
about when it came to his murder, his public assassination.
He thought that not me. So does that fact matter,
You bet your fucking asst does. I don't know if
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there's anything that matters more. It may be the lead
potentially that opens this case up. And Candace Owens had
these screenshots in the week after I don't know how
many days after Charlie Kirk was killed, and she was
talking about it openly, and guess what she did. And
this is so fucking brilliant. I'm left almost speechless about it.
In hindsight, it is now obvious that Candis Owans had
(18:02):
these screenshots of these messages when she first started talking
about it, and she did not put that put those
out because she wanted the seven people on that chain
to go out and defend it and see how they acted. Now,
Candis has been dragged through the mud mercilessly for kind
of stringing this along and not putting it out rapidly.
(18:22):
And I understand I was actually very frustrated she wasn't
putting out proof sooner. But in hindsight you got to
really respect what she was doing. Because Candas owns wants
justice for Charlie Kirk. I believe that strongly. But she
is not an investigator, she does not have subpoena power,
she is not law enforcement, right, so what does she have?
She has a bully pulpit, She has an enormous platform
(18:44):
by which she can apply pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So what does she do?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
She puts out unverified claims about this text message chain,
and unverified claims as to Charlie's mentality when it came
to a multitude of issues when it largely regarding Israel,
and she makes it clear that there are other people
that know this factually, and she just continues to apply pressure, saying,
I want them to publicly disavow me. Do it, and
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these pathological, lying sociopaths do because they have no self control.
They come out just week after week blasting her for
almost an entire month, just trying to destroy her reputation, career,
everything else. And then once everyone has basically given up
on her actually dropping these receipts, she goes, oh, here
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you go. Here they are. Now you get to see
how full of shit some of these people that were
in Charlie's inner circle are. Now we don't know who
all seven of these people on the chain were. My
understanding is that basically three or four of them we
don't know it at this point, and she's promising that
she's gonna release them day to day. I don't know
if that's true. I'm not sure it's really particularly relevant.
(19:52):
But what we do know is that Andrew Covidd was
on it because he acknowledged it. Josh Hammer was on
it because he lied about it. Again, Yeah, he was
on that chain. And then I think she also said
that the pastor who came out and criticized Candace and said,
I wish you would be the friend to him that
Charlie was to you and not do this. So yeah,
basically we've got one person behaving semi honorably because he
(20:16):
at least turned it over to law enforcement, though he
did not come out and defend Candice Owens, which I
think is cowardly. And then we've got two overt liars.
So you now know that his second in command, Andrew Covid,
he believed that these messages were important enough that they
could be a potential motive or at least of interest
to the investigation. We know that for a fact. And
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we also know that Josh Hammer and that pastor believed
that this was damning enough that they needed to go
out and lie about it.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
As he was preparing for his campus tour, he decided
that he wanted to have a meeting. Josh Hammer was
on the call, you know, Josh and I was on
the call and a couple of Charlie's staff to talk
through Israel issues. He was really grappling with these issues.
I know that he's also having meaningful conversations with people
who are anti Israel, and that's and that's fine, and
he's going to do that, and that's all part of
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who Charlie is. He's going to expose himself to every
to everything.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I remember right after October seventhough I was a little
concerned about some of the things he was saying afterwards,
and I wasn't so emotional. I realized Charlie was looking
at a lot of the Israel America stuff through the
America first lens. I was looking at it through my
family's in Israel, my son's joining the IDEF. I was
looking at it through that lens.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And I was very and just your Jewish national identity.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
The fact that he was meeting with you to refine
his talking points. I assumed there was a lot of pushback.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
When when you know that reporter asked me what the
mood of the meeting was, and I said it was combative.
He was he was really grappling with these issues. He
was getting pulled in different directions. And I understand that
there's also within him a very faithful Bible believing evangelical Christian.
If that wasn't there anchoring him, but a positive orientation
towards Israel, he undoubtedly would have been much further along
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into the anti Israel camp, with whom he shared a
lot of opinions, and that's where he annoyed people in
the Jewish community with some of the criticisms he had
for Israel.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So that's three people of the seven that are essentially
telling you everything you need to know. Those messages, his mindset,
his shift when it came to Israel was meaningful. It mattered.
It was not a lie, it was true. They lied
for a reason, and you need to find out why.
We need to find out why. If we had an
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active federal law enforcement agency headed up by someone who
didn't look like he was high out of his mind
on cocaine, there might be a chance that we get
those answers. But since Cash Mattel isn't interested in actually
getting to justice on this or anything, apparently, I guess
it's left to us.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And are we going to be perfect? No, we're not,
because we're not.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Professionals at this stuff, but we're at least interested in
the truth and we're driving towards it. So to that,
I will say, Candice, I'd tip my hat. That was
very impressive you don't have subpoena power. But what you
basically just did was interrogated seven of his closest confidants,
and they came up wanting and some of them came
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up overtly lying. And that matters a lot, because when
someone is publicly assassinated, a political figure and a man
who is actually at the head of a large, maybe
the largest young political empire, when it came to influence,
you should not and cannot ignore any potential motives when
it came to who may have been responsible. And I
regret to say this because I did not want to
(23:29):
put any sort of shade or doubt or concerns about
anyone in Charlie's inner circle unless I had proof of it,
Because if I do that wrongly, then that means that
I'm basically putting public pressure on people who are like
genuinely innocent and in mourning. That's an evil thing to do.
It's like the what happened with Ox Jones and Santio.
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I don't want to go down that path, especially like
I've seen so many conspiracy theories when it comes to
Charlie's wife.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I haven't talked about it at all.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I want you guys to note that, because if she's
not involved, then you were attacking a widow like that
is so so deeply fucked up. Now, I'm not saying this,
I don't know, but if I don't have fucking ironclad proof,
I am not gonna blast anyone that was close to
Charlie because that's super wrong to do. But guess what,
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Josh Hammer, Now I know that you were a liar,
and I already knew you were a liar because of
Dave Smith telling that story about how you basically came
in and glad handed and just talked shit with him
and just having just a just a ton of fun.
Right before you went on that TPUSA stage in Florida
and debated Dave a couple months ago and said it
was all gonna be above the belt, and then as
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soon as you walked on stage, you said, I'm disgusted
to share the stage with this guy. Shouldn't even be
up here. You're a fucking scumbag. And I already knew that,
and actually I said it on an episode like a
couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I knew you were a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I didn't know you were this bad, but now I
do now I know that you are a pathological liar,
not just a propagandist. You're not just a probably paid propagandist.
You are a dangerous misinformation agent. That's what you are.
You were in Charlie's inner circle with seven of his
closest confidants, and he was telling you how he felt
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about X, Y, and Z. He was doing these zoom calls,
and you were coaching him up maybe or maybe you
were pressuring him. Who knows, but regardless, in the aftermath
of his murder, when we're trying to figure out who
killed him, allegedly your friend, one of your close buddies, right,
and you lied to the public. And as far as
I'm concerned, if you lie about a friend who just
(25:36):
got murdered and it's proven that you lied, you immediately
become a suspect. I just think that's the rational way
to look at it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Now. I'm not saying you pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm just saying I think that you may have had
knowledge of this, And how could I not feel that way?
After I now that know that you were in the
inner circle being told these things and then immediately pivoting
and lying about them overtly and aggressively for we I
have to now suspect you as having knowledge, and I
honestly think that's the only fair way to view it.
(26:06):
And I'm not the only one fill in this way,
because this is the first like real potential motive that
had been intentionally covered up that we now know factually
is true, so much so that even two guys are
now reassessing, reopening the case, if you will, Nick flint
Is and Dave Smith.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I think that's where maybe it makes sense they killed
Charlie Kirk because there's some recognition they are that desperate,
Like it is, that is a desperate hour for them.
When they're losing absolutely everybody isolated, they're not winning the debates,
they can't win it with the soft power, censorship, suppression,
the rest of it. Do they then resort to total
(26:45):
chaos crisis? You know, these kinds of operations that you know,
because it's sort of like the Emperor has no clothes.
It's like you said, in our lifetimes, we've never seen
something like this.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Can they lose?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Will they tolerate losing?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
What is that? Actually?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
And I think that's going to be resolved in the
next like six months, So it's going to be kind
of freaky.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So, as I said in the week after the attack,
I didn't have any proof, so I wasn't going to
make any claims or even really assertions as to who
was responsible or if any foreign intel or domestic intel
was involved. But I said, if you think that there
wasn't capacity, you're crazy. If you think that these, if
these messages from Candice Owns are in fact verified, that
(27:29):
there wouldn't be motive, you're crazy. Well, we now know
that those messages are verified. So if you still think
that it's impossible that a foreign intel agency or domestic
would actually do this to Charlie Kirk, I'm going to
call you crazy because it's possible. And I need to
take a minute to criticize a whole hell of a
(27:50):
lot of people, because in the aftermath of a tragedy
like this, I respect anybody who wants to just mourn
and stay quiet. What I really don't respect is coming
out and talking loudly and basically running a smoke screen
for the murder of someone who is supposed to be
your friend. And right now I'm talking to Jack Posovic,
I'm talking to all of the Magga Inc. People who
(28:13):
have just said over and over again in this cult
like Mantra, I saw a leftist murder Charlie Kirk, and
I saw them celebrate it. He just keeps saying this
over and over again, like once a week he's posting this,
You didn't see a leftist murder Charlie Kirk. That may
be what happened, but you didn't fucking see it, And
you are lying when you say you have you did
(28:34):
not see it. If you have footage that actually shows it,
well then do the right thing and put it out
because you haven't and I don't think you have, and
you've never said you did, so you're just I don't
know what you're doing. Are you trying to convince yourself.
You're fucking low IQ following I don't know who who
are you trying to convince with this Jack deeply, deeply concerning.
(28:57):
And these guys did countless events with one another. I
think they were on like the same show a ton
of the time. So I don't I don't understand this,
and I don't understand Benny Johnson, any of these guys
that are just like basically throw the book at Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Case closed.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
It's over, it's I'm I am honestly suspicious of everybody
at this point. I'm just being honest. I don't I
don't get it. Maybe I'm just built different. Maybe I'm
the only person that actually functions in a way that
I expect friends to function that Like, if I see
my good friend brutally murdered in a public fashion, I
(29:34):
am going to burn everything to the ground until I
find out who did it. Why would I not? I mean,
if you don't feel that way, are you their friend?
So this is my honest opinion. And then simultaneously we
have you know, biby Netnahu coming out and denying it
over and over and over again, so many, so many
(29:55):
weird things. But the report that just broke a week
ago was that the influencers are getting you know, big
for posts and defense of Israel.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, is that all
this is? Like?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Are was Charlie's inner circle just filled with boton paid
for Shills's That's a distinct possibility, And honestly, that's like
the most benign explanation. The alternative explanation is like they're
not just boton paid for shills, they're actual operatives like
we have to consider that if you think that there
(30:26):
hasn't been intelligence agency infiltration into the independent media space,
you're just not thinking. Of course there has been. Of
course there is. There's no doubt in my mind. So
maybe that's why. Maybe that's why you guys won't say
a fucking word about all of the inconsistencies in the
FBI narrative. Maybe that's why, I don't know. I would
(30:48):
love for you to just do the honorable thing if
this guy was your friend, to actually, I don't know,
back up Candice owns assist her in this investigation, to
make sure that you have the right guy. So it's
it's three things, basically, bottom paid, four shills, actual assets themselves,
or cowards. There is no good answer if you look
(31:09):
at this case and you're just saying they got the
right guy, one hundred percent, open and shut. I have
no doubts about it. I don't know what the fuck
you're looking at. I don't know what you're looking at.
So my only assumption at that point is you're one
of those two things, or the third one, which is
you're just a pussy. You're just scared to death because
you saw him get murdered. In brutal fashion, and that's
(31:30):
very human to be a bitch about it. But I
want to ask you this, do you intend to live
the rest of your life on your knees? Are you
just going to cower forever? Are you just going to
let your friend die and have no justice? Just totally
in vain? You're gonna bite your tongue forever? Are you
just gonna turn a blind eye to obvious lies that
(31:52):
are coming from the federal agencies when it comes to
this investigation? Is that what you're going to do forever?
Because if that's who you are, well, then who cares
about living or dying? You've already kneeled, nelt whatever, and
you're the resistance, your maga. You make America great again
on your knees already. How do you expect to get
(32:13):
this country off the mat if you can't even fucking
stand up yourselves? And I think the answer is you won't.
You have no intention of doing so. You're fucking cowards.
You have no business having an audience or at least
talking tough as it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, we're fighting the deep state. You guys aren't doing shit.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You're cashing checks, your cowards, and you're letting your friend
die and get no justice because you're whatever, whatever the
reason is disreputable and in an adjust world it would
be career destroying, like your audience should abandon you. That's
just the truth. Reminds me of Dan Bongino talking all
that shit, talking so tough. Oh don't don't you dare.
(32:55):
Let the FBI let this Epstein narrative go and they
they know the truth, They know the truth. Then he
gets to be deputy director of the FBI and he goes,
there's no there, there such frauds. And let me just say,
I'm not making this. You know, it's not even an allegation.
I'm just saying the potentiality of some of these people
being assets. I'm not just putting on the table for
no reason. Pasovic, who does not know who killed Charlie
(33:19):
Kirk despite his assertions to the contrary, is up on
Capitol Hill today and what's he talking about. He's saying,
we got to use this moment to basically destroy.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
The left, and mister President, I think the situation is
getting worse when you look at people like Luigi Maggioni
in his twenties, Thomas Matthew Crooks of course, who took
a shot at you, sir, the ice shooter in Dallas,
and now this Tyler Robinson. We're starting to see a
pattern of more and more murderous violence. And this same
(33:51):
violence is not just random, it is targeted assassinations which
are getting worse. And every single one of us in
this room that goes out there, and obviously he was well, sir,
and all the staff, we are now under that threat
every single day. But mister President, we need to do
(34:13):
something about this because I fear that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
The next one.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Who could be killed could be sitting at this table
right now.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's like we don't know anything about antifa's involvement in
the attack on Charlie Kirk. Sure, maybe it's possible, show
me the fucking proof, or at least show me Tyler
Robinson associating with them and then also holding the gun
and then also firing the shot and anything. They don't
even have the bullet matched up to the gun yet.
It's ridiculous, But that doesn't stop him. He's up on
(34:43):
Capitol Hill going any of us could be next and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So I just want to end with this.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
If you think that the incredible injustices and violations of
our rights that happened after nine to eleven is the
only time that the federal government has taken advantage of
a crisis to base increase their power and to diminish
your rights. You're wrong, And I know most of you
are not stupid, and you know this. This is what
they do over and over and over again. Every single
(35:12):
crisis is used to diminish your rights and increase state power.
If you think that's not what's happening after the Charlie
Kirk assassination, you're just not thinking. So I want you
to think very deeply. Because I am not a fan
of Antifa, obviously. I'm also not a fan of radical Islam, obviously,
But that doesn't mean that I loved radical Islam because
(35:36):
I opposed the Patriot Act. Right, we can all agree
on that. I hope at this point the spying apparatus
that basically diminished our privacy rights. Right, we can all
agree on that.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
All right, Well, I want you to really think deeply
before you greenlight the existing federal government, which appears to
not be acting with any semblance of autonomy or respect
for the American people, and just saying yeah, we go
after Antifa, label them a terrorist organization, do whatever you want.
Oh and by the way, while we're at it, we're
also going to be just hitting ships hell fire missiles
(36:10):
coming from Venezuela. Are we going to provide any evidence
that these people are actually drug traffickers?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Does it even matter? Not really, because it's like, if
you're a drug trafficker, should you be extra judicially murdered?
I would argue probably not. And if you think that
they should be, I just want you to recognize that
if you're going to greenlight that, don't be surprised when
they start doing that to Americans, don't be surprised. And
if you're going to allow them to label Antifa a
(36:38):
domestic terrorist organization and just let them violate their rights
and do whatever they want to them, well, doors open
the barn. Door it do be open. We have a
justice system already. We already have laws that say if
you commit violent acts or do all sorts of things,
all sorts of things that I'm sure Antifa is guilty of,
(36:59):
big viol during protests and everything else, prosecute them.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's like these hate speech and hate crime you know,
add ons to crimes. When it's like a murder, it's
like you're going to prison forever. Anyways, why are we
creating additional layers of legality and identitarian clarifications when it
comes to the legal system. No, not American. You don't
need to be labeling American citizens as terrorists because the
(37:27):
terrorism labeled. Despite how you feel about Antifa, and as
I said, don't like them, but the number one reason
that the federal government calls anyone a terrorist, and that
includes foreign and domestic, is because they intend to violate
their rights egregiously. And once that door has been opened,
you will not close it. If you guys enjoy this episode,
please do hit the like button subscribe shared around. I'm
(37:49):
so glad I did an episode without crime. It has
been obviously very challenging, and I have cried every day.
It's only been two days, multiple times per day, and
I miss him terribly. But everything I said in that
episode really got my point across, and it was one
of the most beautiful, tragic events of my life. And
(38:11):
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the responses
I got from it. I can't tell you how many calls, texts, dms,
everything emails even I'm just being flooded, and I'm glad
that it helps so many people, because that was the
overwhelming sentiment I was getting from people, was other than
you know, prayers and sympathy for what I was going through,
that it really did help a lot of people with
their loss, either future or past. It was super profound
(38:35):
and beautiful and I really appreciated it. So it helped
me a lot, and I'm glad I can help you,
and it makes me feel better about putting that out
where I'm just a blubbering lady boy. And I want
to give a special thanks to Scott Horton, Brett Weinstein,
Dave Smith, who are you know, my high profile friends
if you will, that all did the same, you know,
(38:56):
sent me text message and it was it was great.
You know, that's when you I feel like, that's when
you know this is real. These are real friends. These
are not just people on the internet. So a lot
of you guys, even though we've never met, you uplifted
me in my time of need. And I hope that
my uh exposing myself in that way assisted you as well,
(39:17):
and it sounds like it did, so that's beautiful and
I just want to give another special shout out to
Dave Smith, who, as I said, had Nick funt Is
on today. I just want to encourage you guys to
watch it. It's you know, it's over three hours long. I
watched the entire thing found it really fascinating personally. I
didn't find any of it controversial or worthy of deplatforming,
any of the nonsense that I'm sure people will be demanding.
(39:38):
But I think it's like, that's the real fight. And
actually Dave mentioned me at the end of the show
because I talked to him at length. I'm sure most
of you watched that episode. Whereas, like I was, I
was really encouraging him. You know, I really wanted him.
I wanted Scott. I would love myself to like, let's
(39:58):
do this. This one does Greiper. Shit ain't going away,
ladies and gentlemen. It is clearly going to be a
major player when it comes to what the America First
Movement ends up ultimately being.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And this is the divide.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's the Dave Smith, you know, Messssian Rothbarty and Libertarian camp,
the Ron Paulians versus the Buchananites or whatever whatever politician
everyone does would like to be represented by and I
just think that it's a really interesting it's a really
interesting opportunity to challenge ourselves, their audience, our audiences, and
(40:39):
if we believe we're right. I ain't running, and I
know Nick ain't and I know Dave ain't. So this
is this is what needs to happen. I don't I
don't even perceive these people as you know, my enemies
or competition or anything like that. Like I want to
improve this country, I want to improve the world, and
I think the way we do that is not an invention.
And it's just like, all right, well, is it not
(41:01):
an invention with an identitarian bet or is it just
not an invention with the libertarian bent? Let's hash it out.
So again, I'll put out the offer I already emailed him,
didn't hear back. I'm small time compared to Nick at
this point, so if he ignores me continuously, that's fine.
I'm not going to get but hurt about it like
Nick does with other bigger shows. But whatever, he is
welcome to come on, and I would I would obviously
(41:23):
be respectful.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think he's a very interesting guy and I hope
we can do that.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But regardless I'm I hope you guys will watch the
episode with Dave and Nick.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
All right, drop a comment down below, help theago subscribe
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I do not accept and do you guys that Charlie
Kirk lost his life because he really pissed off.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
The trans lobby.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It terrifies me to think that on a day that
Charlie died, I got multiple phone calls from people who
said that me and me and Tucker should lay low
because we're also on the list. And they never told
us who specifically told them that. By the way, now
I'm wondering why they never told us who specifically told
(00:31):
him that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I called Tucker.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm like, I'm hearing her, you're hearing something I'm hearing
up there saying that we're next. And now I go,
was that supposed to be a threat to me and
Tucker to have us watch the public execution of a
friend of ours and then to call us and to
say you should lay low for a little bit because
you guys were hearing that you guys are on a list?
(00:53):
Was that just supposed to be a threat?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
As is now a bi weekly occurrence, Candice Owens has
again dropped a bombshell, multiple bombshells. Actually, I'm going to
start by talking about a very interesting tidbit that I
don't think you should be focusing on I know that
that sounds weird that I would start with that, but
it'll make sense. So Cannis Owons had a basically document
(01:15):
dump and proved out many of her claims that she
made almost a full month ago. Now that people have
been just constantly lambasting her, where's the receipts? You liar,
you liar, you liar. Then she delivers the receipts, and
now it's how could you possibly put out text messages
that were supposed to be private about a man who died,
and how dare you? It's like, oh, so you just
(01:37):
whatever she says and whatever evidence she has to back
up her claims, you're just going to blaster regardless. Essentially
what you're saying is shut up. Candis owns. We're not
interested in the truth of who took out Charlie Kirk.
We are just interested in controlling the narrative and making
sure that the guy who we currently have in custody
is prosecuted and put to death, regardless of the facts.
(01:59):
That's actually what you're in. Now we're on the same
page here. I get exactly what you're doing, all right,
So let's start with the story that is interesting but
probably not something you should be totally focused on Josh Hammer. Now,
Josh Hammer is a very important figure in this story,
and I definitely want you to focus on him, But
this aspect of the story I think could be a
(02:19):
misdirect to a certain degree. Both prior and after Charlie
Kirk's assassination, Josh Hammer inexplicably tweets out public execution. The
first one he actually does it with a quote tweet
of Donald Trump from a dozen years ago, where Trump
is talking about how there should be public executions because
(02:39):
then it'll send a message and it'll stop this shit,
and he just says, based Okay. At the time, I
couldn't really remember the context of that day in that
news cycle. I went back and I looked, and in fact,
I was talking about Arena, the poor girl who had
been killed on that train, and I think that's probably
what he was referencing. It is in to note, though,
(03:00):
and I think it's very important that people understand the
context of this. In Josh Hammer's own admissions, that night,
the very night that he sent that out, he was
having a conversation on that zoom call, and I know
it was with a rabbi and Charlie Kirk, he said others.
So I think that there may have been one or
two more people. I do not know who they were
on that call, but they were having a conversation about
(03:24):
how Charlie would address any critiques of Israel during his
campus tour. Now that's how they frame it.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
So now we actually spoke literally the night before his
tragic and untimely death. I was on a small zoom
call with him in a couple others. We were literally
talking through this topic. I was giving Charlie advice for
how to message on this issue on his forthcoming campus tour.
You know, he kind of jokingly mentioned me. He was like, Josh,
I'm going to mention your book his Rule and Civilization,
and it's so good. And that was literally our last conversation.
(03:53):
It's just so tragic. This letter that he wrote to
the Prime Minister Chris I read back in junior July
or so, and there were so many people in the
aftermath of his horrific assassination. Can the Zeblin's folks like
that who were saying that, oh, Charlie was turning on
the Israel. He was ready to sell them out and
renounce his life's work of sincere and genuine friendship with
(04:14):
the Jewish people in the Jewish State. But this letter
that he wrote to beating Anto Yahoo, Chris literally begins
the first sentence of the letter is I'm paraphrasing here,
what's a close paraphrase as a Christian, one of my
greatest joys in life is making friendships with the Jewish
people and defending the state of Israel. That's literally the
opening sentence of this letter.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Filth.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, absolute filth. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend it.
Whatever that is that lives in him does not live
in me. There's no truth in him. Obviously, there is
no truth in Josh Hammer. He could have said, well,
Charlie was going through forty eight hours earlier. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
He refused to that.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Unfortunately, we will never know the truth of those conversations
because I can't trust josh Hammer, and you should not
trust Josh Hammer. And I'm going to prove to you
that this man is a just overt liar, despicable liar.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's a fact. I'll show you.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So that night he's having this zoom call with this
is Charlie the Rabbi Josh Hammer, maybe one or two others,
and they're having this conversation about how he's going to
deal with these critiques of Israel. However, I'm I'm interested
now because of the because of the receipts, because of
the text message screenshots that were put out by Candice
Owans and confirmed by Andrew Colvitt of TPUSA.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Started this show to address some of the things that
have been going around on public, namely about a text
a group text chain that has been made known and
released by Candae Owans. And I just want to dress
it head on because you know, that was a text grab,
a screen grab that I had shared with people, so
(05:55):
it is authentic, and I want to go into it
because I actually am really excited that the the truth
is out there so.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
We know these are real. I want to be very
clear about that, and it's that's the story. So we're
going to get into that in a second. But I'm
very interested to know given that just the night prior,
Charlie Kirk had said I have no choice but to
abandon the pro Israel cause. Were they actually just giving
Charlie Kirk a coaching lesson on how to be a
better defender of Israel? Or was this again, yet another
(06:27):
potential intervention to try and bring him back onto the plantation.
I think that's a question that we really need an
answer to, and I'm not sure that we'll ever get it,
but it would be very telling if that were the case.
The reason I say this is because that's the big
document dump from Candice is that in fact, everything she
alleged about how Charlie was in fact openly discussing his
(06:53):
intention to abandon the pro Israel pro zionis cause just
forty eight hours before his life was taken, that is
true that happened. Does that mean that Israel killed him? No,
it doesn't. I want to be crystal clear about that.
But the fact that that happened factually, and instead of
(07:14):
the people that were on that text chain acknowledging that
Cannice Owen's claims were true, all of them, all seven
of them, stayed totally silent about it, and some of
them actively and overtly lied intentionally to misrepresent Charlie's emotions, mindset,
outlook and potential motives for why he might have been killed.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
We're supposed to believe that he had that dramatic switch,
so he went from I'm done to like, hey, love you,
how can I be of more service to you? And
then in that exact same day, he was texting people
saying they are going to kill me on the same
day that he's on the zoom call. Is a fact
(07:59):
that at the same time, that same day, he's texting
people saying they are going.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
To kill me.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
And we are supposed to deduce from this that by they,
what he really meant was Tyler Robinson. He meant they
them duh, like a non binary person or a trans person.
They were going to kill him. That was what he
had a feeling about. And everything else is just completely irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Deeply disturbing, and something that needs if there is an
actual investigation happening, which I'm not even sure there is
at this point, but if there is, and if you're
not interviewing these people, that's a big problem. So, as
I said, the story that's kind of irrelevant in my
opinion is that then after the attack happens again again,
Josh Hammer posts public execution, no details, nothing else. And
(08:54):
I'm thinking, Okay, so you've just seen you've just seen
your buddy. I mean, this is allegedly I don't think
he was, but you've just seen your buddy brutally publicly executed,
and you're just randomly tweeting that out. Now, obviously the
defenders of him are coming out and saying, well, he
was talking about the guy who took out Charlie. Obviously,
(09:14):
it's like, okay, maybe there was no context whatsoever. So
just prior to the attack he's saying this, and right
after the attack he's saying this, and he's giving no
context whatsoever. And if you're familiar with the conspiracy theory world,
you're already familiar with the term revelation of the method,
where essentially like they have to tell you what they're
(09:35):
going to do before they do it, and they leave
these little breadcrumbs that aren't provable and it just causes
people to spiral out. But it's some sort of obligatory thing.
And I don't know if it's like Illuminati or whatever,
but I'm not going to go down that path because
it is not provable. So if you want to look
at those messages and come to the conclusion that yes,
he was in on it, and he was doing this
(09:56):
and he was notifying the world and he was sending
a message.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Maybe I don't know, but I'm not going there.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
What I want to focus on is that after one
of his close confidences, there's seven people on that text chain.
One of those guys was Josh Hammer, confirmed by Candae Owns.
He then went on a media circuit where he's just
talking about how it's totally false. Charlie has never been
more in for Israel. He just loves Israel. Do that's it.
(10:27):
There's no nuance. Candie Owens is a liar. She doesn't
have any proof of this, and he just overtly lied.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And it was really only over the past I don't know,
a year and a half or so that I would
say that we became closer and we started talking very frequently.
He formed a small group chat there, probably seven or
eight of us total in this group chat there. He
called it his brain trust, his brain trust for thinking
about Israel, for thinking about Jewish Christian relations. He was
very concerned about rising anti Semitism, so we talked a
(10:55):
little bit about that sort of stuff frankly, but above
all we really strategized, but how to turn back the
tide against rising anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiment on
the American right in Republican Party circles among young gen
Z conservative activists. Because of that, he did organize this
zoom call the night before he tragically was murdered, So
(11:16):
basically before he set foot the first event, he won
a kind of an hour long kind of prep call.
So it was me, a right wing rabbi friend of
mine who lives in Jerusalem, pays off Willicky, a couple
of his producers, and there was one Christian pastor and
that was basically it. And Charlie had a list of questions.
You know, how do I respond when the students asked
me about starvation, famine, genocide, borders, two state solution, this,
(11:38):
that there. But the mere fact that he was seeking
our council, I mean, communicated on a virtually daily basis
through this active group chat and one on one. The
fact that we were doing that, along the fact that
he had that particular zoom call with people like me
the night before he was killed, I think really profoundly
calls into question this narrative that he was getting ready
(12:00):
to renounce his well established lifelong support for the Jewish people,
for the state of Israel.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I need you to think to yourself why that is
now the obvious and seemingly or somewhat benign answer is that, well,
he's just a propagandist. He's just a paid propagandist for Israel.
And maybe it's that simple, but I'll tell you what
I feel about it. I feel like that's really really suspicious.
How could you not be suspicious of that? You have
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a guy who built his empire, the Tpusa Empire, over
a dozen years or whatever it was, much of which
was being done with Zionist donor money, be that Jewish
Zionists or the Christian evangelicals that have a similar worldview
when it comes to Israel. And Charlie Kirk in these
messages is saying, just lost another major donor two million
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dollars out the door, and I'm not going to be bullied,
and I have no choice but to abandon the pro
Israel cause.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
So Charlie writes in this group chat, just lost another
huge Jewish donor two million a year because we won't
cancel Tucker. I'm thinking of inviting Candace. Somebody writes, oh,
Charlie writes, Jewish donors play into all of the stereotypes.
I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving
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me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.
So again, this is forty eight hours before Charlie cobsasaity.
He was very clear, and he was very explicit, and
he did not back down out in that Hampton's meeting,
which they're all lying about, nor in this text thread.
I'm not going to reveal the names of the other seven. Actually,
you know what, I disagree with myself four seconds ago.
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Let's just throw in Josh Hammer for fundzies.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
He's on this chat, okay, instead of just telling the
truth about that, which is the obviously right thing to do.
If you're actually interested in justice for your friend, well
then say, yeah, Candace is right. He was having a
hard time. Donors were pressuring him because of his platforming
of Tucker carl and Dave Smith, et cetera, and his
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relationship with Candace, and they wanted him to part ways
and he refused and they started to rip funding from him,
and yeah he did. He talked about you know, they
could have spun it. They could have said, well, he
was just you know, venting, and he was thinking, maybe
I gotta go a different direction because I gotta keep
the doors open. But he still loved Israel, like they
could have spun it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That way. They didn't. He just lied.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
He just lied overtly, over and over and over again
during an active murder investigation. He lied about a glaring
potential motive for him to be taken out. If you
find that acceptable on any level, there's something deeply wrong
with you. And I'm referring to James Lindsay and all
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these other pro Israel pundits that have absolutely lost their
mind in any sense of or semblance of justice in
their concern with this story, because that is a huge
misdirect that in the early hours of an investigation, everything matters,
All of the pertinent information about potential motives matters so much.
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And we're talking in just a few days after and
all of these people stayed quieter. They lied, but not
one of them did not stay totally quiet though, And
this is an important thing for you guys to know.
Andrew Colvitt came out. He was basically, you know, the
pr rep for TPUSA and Charlie's kind of right hand man.
He acknowledged on his show yesterday that these texts were real.
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That's how we know factually that they are.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
That was a text grab, a screen grab that I
had shared with people. So it is authentic, and I
want to go into it because I actually am really
excited that the truth is out there.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
And basically what he says in it is that he
had screenshotted those messages and sent them to a government official.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way,
but I did share it with some people in government
because it happened really quick. It was you know, it
took thirty three hours for authorities to get their suspect,
and that in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned,
We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it
with a few people. Don't know where it went from there, apparently.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But here we are, so I don't know if that
was FBI or what, but clearly he thought that they
were pertinent. And I want you to really take a
minute with that fact that Andrew Covid, Charlie's second in command,
more or less, had these messages and he thought that
they were meaningful enough that he screenshoted them and he
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and he sent them to law enforcement. So everybody coming
out in the aftermath of Candice Owns dropping these receipts
and saying this proves nothing. This is irrelevant. This doesn't
tell you anything. One of his best and closest confidants
screenshotted them and sent them to law enforcement right after
Charlie was killed. Why would he do that if he
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thought it was irrelevant.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
He didn't.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He thought it was relevant, thought it was a potential lead.
That's not Candace Owens. That's not Dave Smith or Ian
Carroll or Clint Russell. This is not anyone who's anti
Israel by any stretch of the imagination, at least not
that we know of publicly. Who thinks that the fact
that he was having funds pulled from TPUSA by a
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pro Israel donor and that he had decided that he
had no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause
was an interesting tidbit that law enforcement needed to know
about when it came to his murder, his public assassination.
He thought that not me. So does that fact matter,
You bet your fucking asst does. I don't know if
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there's anything that matters more. It may be the lead
potentially that opens this case up. And Candace Owens had
these screenshots in the week after I don't know how
many days after Charlie Kirk was killed, and she was
talking about it openly, and guess what she did. And
this is so fucking brilliant. I'm left almost speechless about it.
In hindsight, it is now obvious that Candis Owans had
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these screenshots of these messages when she first started talking
about it, and she did not put that put those
out because she wanted the seven people on that chain
to go out and defend it and see how they acted. Now,
Candis has been dragged through the mud mercilessly for kind
of stringing this along and not putting it out rapidly.
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And I understand I was actually very frustrated she wasn't
putting out proof sooner. But in hindsight you got to
really respect what she was doing. Because Candas owns wants
justice for Charlie Kirk. I believe that strongly. But she
is not an investigator, she does not have subpoena power,
she is not law enforcement, right, so what does she have?
She has a bully pulpit, She has an enormous platform
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by which she can apply pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So what does she do?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
She puts out unverified claims about this text message chain,
and unverified claims as to Charlie's mentality when it came
to a multitude of issues when it largely regarding Israel,
and she makes it clear that there are other people
that know this factually, and she just continues to apply pressure, saying,
I want them to publicly disavow me. Do it, and
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these pathological, lying sociopaths do because they have no self control.
They come out just week after week blasting her for
almost an entire month, just trying to destroy her reputation, career,
everything else. And then once everyone has basically given up
on her actually dropping these receipts, she goes, oh, here
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you go. Here they are. Now you get to see
how full of shit some of these people that were
in Charlie's inner circle are. Now we don't know who
all seven of these people on the chain were. My
understanding is that basically three or four of them we
don't know it at this point, and she's promising that
she's gonna release them day to day. I don't know
if that's true. I'm not sure it's really particularly relevant.
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But what we do know is that Andrew Covidd was
on it because he acknowledged it. Josh Hammer was on
it because he lied about it. Again, Yeah, he was
on that chain. And then I think she also said
that the pastor who came out and criticized Candace and said,
I wish you would be the friend to him that
Charlie was to you and not do this. So yeah,
basically we've got one person behaving semi honorably because he
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at least turned it over to law enforcement, though he
did not come out and defend Candice Owens, which I
think is cowardly. And then we've got two overt liars.
So you now know that his second in command, Andrew Covid,
he believed that these messages were important enough that they
could be a potential motive or at least of interest
to the investigation. We know that for a fact. And
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we also know that Josh Hammer and that pastor believed
that this was damning enough that they needed to go
out and lie about it.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
As he was preparing for his campus tour, he decided
that he wanted to have a meeting. Josh Hammer was
on the call, you know, Josh and I was on
the call and a couple of Charlie's staff to talk
through Israel issues. He was really grappling with these issues.
I know that he's also having meaningful conversations with people
who are anti Israel, and that's and that's fine, and
he's going to do that, and that's all part of
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who Charlie is. He's going to expose himself to every
to everything.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I remember right after October seventhough I was a little
concerned about some of the things he was saying afterwards,
and I wasn't so emotional. I realized Charlie was looking
at a lot of the Israel America stuff through the
America first lens. I was looking at it through my
family's in Israel, my son's joining the IDEF. I was
looking at it through that lens.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
And I was very and just your Jewish national identity.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
The fact that he was meeting with you to refine
his talking points. I assumed there was a lot of pushback.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
When when you know that reporter asked me what the
mood of the meeting was, and I said it was combative.
He was he was really grappling with these issues. He
was getting pulled in different directions. And I understand that
there's also within him a very faithful Bible believing evangelical Christian.
If that wasn't there anchoring him, but a positive orientation
towards Israel, he undoubtedly would have been much further along
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into the anti Israel camp, with whom he shared a
lot of opinions, and that's where he annoyed people in
the Jewish community with some of the criticisms he had
for Israel.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
So that's three people of the seven that are essentially
telling you everything you need to know. Those messages, his mindset,
his shift when it came to Israel was meaningful. It mattered.
It was not a lie, it was true. They lied
for a reason, and you need to find out why.
We need to find out why. If we had an
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active federal law enforcement agency headed up by someone who
didn't look like he was high out of his mind
on cocaine, there might be a chance that we get
those answers. But since Cash Mattel isn't interested in actually
getting to justice on this or anything, apparently, I guess
it's left to us.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
And are we going to be perfect? No, we're not,
because we're not.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Professionals at this stuff, but we're at least interested in
the truth and we're driving towards it. So to that,
I will say, Candice, I'd tip my hat. That was
very impressive you don't have subpoena power. But what you
basically just did was interrogated seven of his closest confidants,
and they came up wanting and some of them came
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up overtly lying. And that matters a lot, because when
someone is publicly assassinated, a political figure and a man
who is actually at the head of a large, maybe
the largest young political empire, when it came to influence,
you should not and cannot ignore any potential motives when
it came to who may have been responsible. And I
regret to say this because I did not want to
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put any sort of shade or doubt or concerns about
anyone in Charlie's inner circle unless I had proof of it,
Because if I do that wrongly, then that means that
I'm basically putting public pressure on people who are like
genuinely innocent and in mourning. That's an evil thing to do.
It's like the what happened with Ox Jones and Santio.
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I don't want to go down that path, especially like
I've seen so many conspiracy theories when it comes to
Charlie's wife.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
I haven't talked about it at all.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I want you guys to note that, because if she's
not involved, then you were attacking a widow like that
is so so deeply fucked up. Now, I'm not saying this,
I don't know, but if I don't have fucking ironclad proof,
I am not gonna blast anyone that was close to
Charlie because that's super wrong to do. But guess what,
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Josh Hammer, Now I know that you were a liar,
and I already knew you were a liar because of
Dave Smith telling that story about how you basically came
in and glad handed and just talked shit with him
and just having just a just a ton of fun.
Right before you went on that TPUSA stage in Florida
and debated Dave a couple months ago and said it
was all gonna be above the belt, and then as
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soon as you walked on stage, you said, I'm disgusted
to share the stage with this guy. Shouldn't even be
up here. You're a fucking scumbag. And I already knew that,
and actually I said it on an episode like a
couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I knew you were a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I didn't know you were this bad, but now I
do now I know that you are a pathological liar,
not just a propagandist. You're not just a probably paid propagandist.
You are a dangerous misinformation agent. That's what you are.
You were in Charlie's inner circle with seven of his
closest confidants, and he was telling you how he felt
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about X, Y, and Z. He was doing these zoom calls,
and you were coaching him up maybe or maybe you
were pressuring him. Who knows, but regardless, in the aftermath
of his murder, when we're trying to figure out who
killed him, allegedly your friend, one of your close buddies, right,
and you lied to the public. And as far as
I'm concerned, if you lie about a friend who just
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got murdered and it's proven that you lied, you immediately
become a suspect. I just think that's the rational way
to look at it.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Now. I'm not saying you pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I'm just saying I think that you may have had
knowledge of this, And how could I not feel that way?
After I now that know that you were in the
inner circle being told these things and then immediately pivoting
and lying about them overtly and aggressively for we I
have to now suspect you as having knowledge, and I
honestly think that's the only fair way to view it.
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And I'm not the only one fill in this way,
because this is the first like real potential motive that
had been intentionally covered up that we now know factually
is true, so much so that even two guys are
now reassessing, reopening the case, if you will, Nick flint
Is and Dave Smith.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I think that's where maybe it makes sense they killed
Charlie Kirk because there's some recognition they are that desperate,
Like it is, that is a desperate hour for them.
When they're losing absolutely everybody isolated, they're not winning the debates,
they can't win it with the soft power, censorship, suppression,
the rest of it. Do they then resort to total
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chaos crisis? You know, these kinds of operations that you know,
because it's sort of like the Emperor has no clothes.
It's like you said, in our lifetimes, we've never seen
something like this.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Can they lose?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Will they tolerate losing?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
What is that? Actually?
Speaker 8 (27:01):
And I think that's going to be resolved in the
next like six months, So it's going to be kind
of freaky.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So, as I said in the week after the attack,
I didn't have any proof, so I wasn't going to
make any claims or even really assertions as to who
was responsible or if any foreign intel or domestic intel
was involved. But I said, if you think that there
wasn't capacity, you're crazy. If you think that these, if
these messages from Candice Owns are in fact verified, that
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there wouldn't be motive, you're crazy. Well, we now know
that those messages are verified. So if you still think
that it's impossible that a foreign intel agency or domestic
would actually do this to Charlie Kirk, I'm going to
call you crazy because it's possible. And I need to
take a minute to criticize a whole hell of a
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lot of people, because in the aftermath of a tragedy
like this, I respect anybody who wants to just mourn
and stay quiet. What I really don't respect is coming
out and talking loudly and basically running a smoke screen
for the murder of someone who is supposed to be
your friend. And right now I'm talking to Jack Posovic,
I'm talking to all of the Magga Inc. People who
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have just said over and over again in this cult
like Mantra, I saw a leftist murder Charlie Kirk, and
I saw them celebrate it. He just keeps saying this
over and over again, like once a week he's posting this,
You didn't see a leftist murder Charlie Kirk. That may
be what happened, but you didn't fucking see it, And
you are lying when you say you have you did
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not see it. If you have footage that actually shows it,
well then do the right thing and put it out
because you haven't and I don't think you have, and
you've never said you did, so you're just I don't
know what you're doing. Are you trying to convince yourself.
You're fucking low IQ following I don't know who who
are you trying to convince with this Jack deeply, deeply concerning.
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And these guys did countless events with one another. I
think they were on like the same show a ton
of the time. So I don't I don't understand this,
and I don't understand Benny Johnson, any of these guys
that are just like basically throw the book at Tyler Robinson.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Case closed.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
It's over, it's I'm I am honestly suspicious of everybody
at this point. I'm just being honest. I don't I
don't get it. Maybe I'm just built different. Maybe I'm
the only person that actually functions in a way that
I expect friends to function that Like, if I see
my good friend brutally murdered in a public fashion, I
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am going to burn everything to the ground until I
find out who did it. Why would I not? I mean,
if you don't feel that way, are you their friend?
So this is my honest opinion. And then simultaneously we
have you know, biby Netnahu coming out and denying it
over and over and over again, so many, so many
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weird things. But the report that just broke a week
ago was that the influencers are getting you know, big
for posts and defense of Israel.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, is that all
this is? Like?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Are was Charlie's inner circle just filled with boton paid
for Shills's That's a distinct possibility, And honestly, that's like
the most benign explanation. The alternative explanation is like they're
not just boton paid for shills, they're actual operatives like
we have to consider that if you think that there
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hasn't been intelligence agency infiltration into the independent media space,
you're just not thinking. Of course there has been. Of
course there is. There's no doubt in my mind. So
maybe that's why. Maybe that's why you guys won't say
a fucking word about all of the inconsistencies in the
FBI narrative. Maybe that's why, I don't know. I would
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love for you to just do the honorable thing if
this guy was your friend, to actually, I don't know,
back up Candice owns assist her in this investigation, to
make sure that you have the right guy. So it's
it's three things, basically, bottom paid, four shills, actual assets themselves,
or cowards. There is no good answer if you look
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at this case and you're just saying they got the
right guy, one hundred percent, open and shut. I have
no doubts about it. I don't know what the fuck
you're looking at. I don't know what you're looking at.
So my only assumption at that point is you're one
of those two things, or the third one, which is
you're just a pussy. You're just scared to death because
you saw him get murdered. In brutal fashion, and that's
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very human to be a bitch about it. But I
want to ask you this, do you intend to live
the rest of your life on your knees? Are you
just going to cower forever? Are you just going to
let your friend die and have no justice? Just totally
in vain? You're gonna bite your tongue forever? Are you
just gonna turn a blind eye to obvious lies that
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are coming from the federal agencies when it comes to
this investigation? Is that what you're going to do forever?
Because if that's who you are, well, then who cares
about living or dying? You've already kneeled, nelt whatever, and
you're the resistance, your maga. You make America great again
on your knees already. How do you expect to get
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this country off the mat if you can't even fucking
stand up yourselves? And I think the answer is you won't.
You have no intention of doing so. You're fucking cowards.
You have no business having an audience or at least
talking tough as it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, we're fighting the deep state. You guys aren't doing shit.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
You're cashing checks, your cowards, and you're letting your friend
die and get no justice because you're whatever, whatever the
reason is disreputable and in an adjust world it would
be career destroying, like your audience should abandon you. That's
just the truth. Reminds me of Dan Bongino talking all
that shit, talking so tough. Oh don't don't you dare.
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Let the FBI let this Epstein narrative go and they
they know the truth, They know the truth. Then he
gets to be deputy director of the FBI and he goes,
there's no there, there such frauds. And let me just say,
I'm not making this. You know, it's not even an allegation.
I'm just saying the potentiality of some of these people
being assets. I'm not just putting on the table for
no reason. Pasovic, who does not know who killed Charlie
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Kirk despite his assertions to the contrary, is up on
Capitol Hill today and what's he talking about. He's saying,
we got to use this moment to basically destroy.
Speaker 9 (33:28):
The left, and mister President, I think the situation is
getting worse when you look at people like Luigi Maggioni
in his twenties, Thomas Matthew Crooks of course, who took
a shot at you, sir, the ice shooter in Dallas,
and now this Tyler Robinson. We're starting to see a
pattern of more and more murderous violence. And this same
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violence is not just random, it is targeted assassinations which
are getting worse. And every single one of us in
this room that goes out there, and obviously he was well, sir,
and all the staff, we are now under that threat
every single day. But mister President, we need to do
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something about this because I fear that.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
The next one.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
Who could be killed could be sitting at this table
right now.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's like we don't know anything about antifa's involvement in
the attack on Charlie Kirk. Sure, maybe it's possible, show
me the fucking proof, or at least show me Tyler
Robinson associating with them and then also holding the gun
and then also firing the shot and anything. They don't
even have the bullet matched up to the gun yet.
It's ridiculous, But that doesn't stop him. He's up on
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Capitol Hill going any of us could be next and
blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
So I just want to end with this.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
If you think that the incredible injustices and violations of
our rights that happened after nine to eleven is the
only time that the federal government has taken advantage of
a crisis to base increase their power and to diminish
your rights. You're wrong, And I know most of you
are not stupid, and you know this. This is what
they do over and over and over again. Every single
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crisis is used to diminish your rights and increase state power.
If you think that's not what's happening after the Charlie
Kirk assassination, you're just not thinking. So I want you
to think very deeply. Because I am not a fan
of Antifa, obviously. I'm also not a fan of radical Islam, obviously,
But that doesn't mean that I loved radical Islam because
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I opposed the Patriot Act. Right, we can all agree
on that. I hope at this point the spying apparatus
that basically diminished our privacy rights. Right, we can all
agree on that.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
All right, Well, I want you to really think deeply
before you greenlight the existing federal government, which appears to
not be acting with any semblance of autonomy or respect
for the American people, and just saying yeah, we go
after Antifa, label them a terrorist organization, do whatever you want.
Oh and by the way, while we're at it, we're
also going to be just hitting ships hell fire missiles
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coming from Venezuela. Are we going to provide any evidence
that these people are actually drug traffickers?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Does it even matter? Not really, because it's like, if
you're a drug trafficker, should you be extra judicially murdered?
I would argue probably not. And if you think that
they should be, I just want you to recognize that
if you're going to greenlight that, don't be surprised when
they start doing that to Americans, don't be surprised. And
if you're going to allow them to label Antifa a
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domestic terrorist organization and just let them violate their rights
and do whatever they want to them, well, doors open
the barn. Door it do be open. We have a
justice system already. We already have laws that say if
you commit violent acts or do all sorts of things,
all sorts of things that I'm sure Antifa is guilty of,
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big viol during protests and everything else, prosecute them.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
How about that.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
It's like these hate speech and hate crime you know,
add ons to crimes. When it's like a murder, it's
like you're going to prison forever. Anyways, why are we
creating additional layers of legality and identitarian clarifications when it
comes to the legal system. No, not American. You don't
need to be labeling American citizens as terrorists because the
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terrorism labeled. Despite how you feel about Antifa, and as
I said, don't like them, but the number one reason
that the federal government calls anyone a terrorist, and that
includes foreign and domestic, is because they intend to violate
their rights egregiously. And once that door has been opened,
you will not close it. If you guys enjoy this episode,
please do hit the like button subscribe shared around. I'm
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so glad I did an episode without crime. It has
been obviously very challenging, and I have cried every day.
It's only been two days, multiple times per day, and
I miss him terribly. But everything I said in that
episode really got my point across, and it was one
of the most beautiful, tragic events of my life. And
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I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the responses
I got from it. I can't tell you how many calls, texts, dms,
everything emails even I'm just being flooded, and I'm glad
that it helps so many people, because that was the
overwhelming sentiment I was getting from people, was other than
you know, prayers and sympathy for what I was going through,
that it really did help a lot of people with
their loss, either future or past. It was super profound
(38:35):
and beautiful and I really appreciated it. So it helped
me a lot, and I'm glad I can help you,
and it makes me feel better about putting that out
where I'm just a blubbering lady boy. And I want
to give a special thanks to Scott Horton, Brett Weinstein,
Dave Smith, who are you know, my high profile friends
if you will, that all did the same, you know,
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sent me text message and it was it was great.
You know, that's when you I feel like, that's when
you know this is real. These are real friends. These
are not just people on the internet. So a lot
of you guys, even though we've never met, you uplifted
me in my time of need. And I hope that
my uh exposing myself in that way assisted you as well,
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and it sounds like it did, so that's beautiful and
I just want to give another special shout out to
Dave Smith, who, as I said, had Nick funt Is
on today. I just want to encourage you guys to
watch it. It's you know, it's over three hours long. I
watched the entire thing found it really fascinating personally. I
didn't find any of it controversial or worthy of deplatforming,
any of the nonsense that I'm sure people will be demanding.
(39:38):
But I think it's like, that's the real fight. And
actually Dave mentioned me at the end of the show
because I talked to him at length. I'm sure most
of you watched that episode. Whereas, like I was, I
was really encouraging him. You know, I really wanted him.
I wanted Scott. I would love myself to like, let's
(39:58):
do this. This one does Greiper. Shit ain't going away,
ladies and gentlemen. It is clearly going to be a
major player when it comes to what the America First
Movement ends up ultimately being.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And this is the divide.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
It's the Dave Smith, you know, Messssian Rothbarty and Libertarian camp,
the Ron Paulians versus the Buchananites or whatever whatever politician
everyone does would like to be represented by and I
just think that it's a really interesting it's a really
interesting opportunity to challenge ourselves, their audience, our audiences, and
(40:39):
if we believe we're right. I ain't running, and I
know Nick ain't and I know Dave ain't. So this
is this is what needs to happen. I don't I
don't even perceive these people as you know, my enemies
or competition or anything like that. Like I want to
improve this country, I want to improve the world, and
I think the way we do that is not an invention.
And it's just like, all right, well, is it not
(41:01):
an invention with an identitarian bet or is it just
not an invention with the libertarian bent? Let's hash it out.
So again, I'll put out the offer I already emailed him,
didn't hear back. I'm small time compared to Nick at
this point, so if he ignores me continuously, that's fine.
I'm not going to get but hurt about it like
Nick does with other bigger shows. But whatever, he is
welcome to come on, and I would I would obviously
(41:23):
be respectful.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
I think he's a very interesting guy and I hope
we can do that.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But regardless I'm I hope you guys will watch the
episode with Dave and Nick.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Very interesting.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
All right, drop a comment down below, help theago subscribe
and shirt around see it.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
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