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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nick shouldn't be allowed back in. Nick burst the door down.
None of us are platforming him, none of us are
like accepting him back in. He won.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
That's what fucking happened.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Okay, So that that's just the that's just the reality.
It's not like an opinion.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
He won.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
He was on Tucker because he won. He was on
Canvas because he won.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
There's this weird feeling where like people will come up
to all of us all the time and be like, dude,
I feel like I know you as I listen to
your show it and then you'll be kind of like, hey,
you're just some random guy who thinks he knows me.
But then at the same time, I feel that same
way about a whole lot of other people who I've
never met. I feel like I know them, and then
you're weird like we feel like we're all connected, but

(00:44):
we're actually further apart than any tribe in the history
of the world's ever been. And that shit is you know, sorry, guys,
I took a lot of acid before this show.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Let's go, it's.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
None of that's true. I had one whiskey and some nicotine.
That's all I'm on. That's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Well, if you want to do acid halfway through just
to spice things up. That's fine too.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
It's right. I'm still coming down for my twenties, so
I'm not worried about it.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Park Welcome a Ludi Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. You know,
Joe Rogan does this thing called protect our Parks. I'm
I'm starting up a new operation. It's called protect our
I don't know. It's working title Culture Nation, something.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Srotect our people, protect our people. Something.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
We're working on it. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
I dropped the link to this stream to Nick Fuentes.
We'll see if he shows up. If he wants to
round out the four horsemen of the Woke Right Apocalypse,
it should be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Hold on, Is that how the show is going? That
Fintes could pop in stone Cold at any time?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's no matter what we're saying, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
For the record, he has not responded to my email.
I've never talked to the kid. He's probably not going
to show up. But I was like, I've got Dave Smith,
I've got Ian Carroll. I'm gonna I'm gonna try and
just nuke the internet and see if I can get
Nick Fuentes in here too. But anyways, yes, there you go.
I'm joined by Dave Smith and Ian Carol. Dave, how
are you doing, buddy.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I'm good man, I'm I'm I've been looking forward to this.
This will be a fun show.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Hell ya, Ian, my guy. What's cracking dude.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's great to see you again. And it's cool to
finally get talk to Dave. And so, yeah, it's a
crazy time in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
I got a Santa Santa mug here, just trying to
trying to work on the Jewish stuff, you know, coming
with Santa mug A.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Couple more three to you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I mean, I'm just we're just trying to make it
to Christmas at this point, I think in America.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah, I'm getting nervous honestly.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
All right.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
So, you know, Dave and I talk offline a lot,
you know, and I do too. But I do have
a question for Dave that came to mind based off
of a deep dive in my own mind about the
Charlie Kirk case that I've been wanting to ask Dave about.
So I'm gonna do that right now. Okay, So we're
going to start there. I also want to say this
is very free flowing.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Ian.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Please, you've done more work than I have on Charlie Kirk.
So I don't want to drive this ship. If you
have questions for me or for Dave, please just hopping anytime.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Hey, right back at you, guys. I'm happy to have
the tinfoil debunked and assessed. And yeah, exactly, see if
we can get you back under your skis or whatever. Yeah,
I mean, I'm way out over this, so okay, all right,
So I based off of actually your telling of the story, Dave,
you were basically saying, you know, like, it just doesn't

(03:22):
make any sense to me that you would have Josh
Hammer be in this kind of coaching role for Charlie
Kirk because obviously Charlie Kirk is a much more gifted orator.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
He's actually much more likable. He seems to understand the
history and the narrative, and he's just much more capable
than Josh Hammer. So like, does any of this make sense?
So I started to extrapolate out because this is what
conspiracy theorist still and I'm sure I'm sure Ian probably
did the same thing. And my immediate my immediate conclusion,
and I actually came to this, like mid recording. But

(03:54):
I thought to myself, does Josh Hammer seem like an
advisor that Charlie Kirk would have actually brought on to
assist himself or was that a funding requirement? Was he
essentially a handler?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
And all right?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
The reason, just to extrapolate a little bit further, The
reason I say that is because at the penultimate event
for TPUSA of this past summer, you have this opportunity
to either go along with what your donors want or
go along with what the audience wants, which is to
have Dave Smith and Tucker Carlson and Megan Kelly, or

(04:28):
you can get rid of all those people, appease your
donors and make.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Peace with the world. Right, he goes the opposite direction.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
He brings on all the people, and he tells Tucker
Carlson take the gloves off, say whatever you want, and
then he feeds.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
And this is how I framed it.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
So tell me if you disagreed he fed Josh Hammer
to you, because you had already defeated Josh Hammer in
that debate and then you obviously did what you do
and you devoured him again. So my question for you,
Dave is do you think this was Charlie Kirk standing
up for himself that he was intentionally basically spitting in

(05:04):
the faces of his donors who had been pressuring him
for the past two years since he questioned the false
flag narrative potential about October seventh.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, okay, there man, because there's a lot of questions there,
so and I want to I think i've I've kind
of like probably talked about most of these things publicly,
but I don't know if I've like put all of
them together.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
But so there's a few things there.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So, first of all, okay, Charlie had texted me about
doing a podcast with him. It was after I did.
It was like shortly after I did the podcast with
Rogan and Douglas Murray where he did the big debate.
So shortly after that he had texted me. I did

(05:48):
share this text message publicly where he had been like,
you know, I forget exactly what he said, but it
was basically like, hey, man, like you did a really
good job on that, Like, you know, I thought Douglas
was really it was stupid what he would saying here.
And I actually agree with you a lot more than
I disagree with you, or something like that, and then
he had said, hey, why don't we do a podcast?
But it could be like what that was supposed to be, like,

(06:11):
it could be like a real respectful back and forth,
like let's really talk this through and hammer out this
issue together.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
And I was like absolutely, I'd love to do that,
and then he was like okay, hey.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
It was like a lot of like thinking out loud,
and then he goes, hey, well I'm doing this what
was it called the Student Actions Summit. Hey, maybe you
want to come here and I could moderate a debate
and then we could do a podcast. That was like
how it originally started, was like We're going to do
a debate and then a podcast, and then you know,
there's all just like logistical issues and traveling and I

(06:41):
couldn't come in till the Sunday. It was a full
weekend event, so it ended up just being the debate.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
At first he was like, he was like, who do
you want a debate? Who would be a good opponent?
And I told him, I go, well, how about Dave Rubin?
Cause I know he lives in Florida and me and
him had just been talking shit online, so I was
like maybe him, And then both him and Patrick Bett
David had both told me. No answer back from David Rubin.

(07:07):
Both of them were like, did he change his number?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
And they had a good career saving decision. Dave Rubin Yes, So.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Again, this is just full disclosure, and I think that
I think this might actually maybe take away from the
case you were laying out that I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It doesn't really disprove it.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
But then it was supposed to be Tim Kennedy, and
I agreed to that just because I'm a UFC fan
and I'm a fan of Tim Kennedy. And then also
I thought that I thought that would be like a
good faith, interesting kind of debate. So I was like, Okay,
I'm down to do that. Then for like whatever scheduling reason,
he couldn't do it. And then he goes, Okay, how

(07:46):
about Josh Hammer, And if I'm being complete, the truth
is I said no. I went, nah, that doesn't really
interest me. Well, it was just at the time, if
you could think from my perspective at the time, I
was like, I just came off Theglis Murray debate, which
was the biggest show I've ever been on in my life,
and was.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Like this huge thing, and I had already fucked up.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Josh Hammer, I had an Oxford style at debate at
Princeton University where it was like and it was just
like it couldn't have gone better than that, And then
in my mind I kind of felt like, well, at
least what I said was, I went, this doesn't really
make any sense because I already beat this guy and
he's got nothing for me, So like, what is this?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
But said that to him? Right, like you kind of
said that in less words to Charlie, right.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I mean, look, I have the text messages I think
I said, I don't really think that makes sense because
I already debated him and I already beat him, but
I probably didn't say, which is also, I don't know,
weirdly a part of our world. Sometimes I went, well,
what's the point in that, Like I already won, that
doesn't do anything for me, And I also you could

(08:52):
justify it like that doesn't do anything for the cause
or whatever. But so I said no, And then Charlie
came back and he goes, come on, dude, this will
be so much bigger than that. This will be in
front of the turning point audience and it'll get way
more eyeballs and then when he said that, I was like,
you know, the truth is these young right wingers are
really who I am trying to reach. So all right, fine,

(09:12):
and so then we worked at so look, I'm just
adding that to go. It's not like Charlie's master plan
was you'll come in here and debate Josh Hammer.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
It was it was a plan.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
D I think that in a way, maybe the easier
explanation here is that Charlie, like I said, Charlie's between
this rock and hard place, which is much bigger than
me or you or like. It's not any one of us.
It's that the entire youth are turning against Israel, and
his job is to be the Christian Zionist guy. And

(09:45):
so I think he felt like he had to host
the debate, like, man, maybe that was a good way
to placate everyone. You know, you got your donors here,
you got your kids here. Maybe if I just moderate
the debate and so, but that again, I don't know
the n so to your broader question here. But that
being said, he ultimately did put on the debate versus

(10:05):
me and Josh Hammer. And yes, it did seem like
he's feeding his boy to like the wolves, And yes
to your broader question, does it make any sense at
all that Charlie was going to Josh for talking points
and messaging? No, I mean, come on, like the just

(10:26):
objectively speaking, no, that would Charlie was much better at
that than Josh Hammer is. And okay, and I'm sorry,
I don't want to ramble for too much. This is
the last thing I'll say interesting turn over to you guys.
But I think that you know, Candace recently said some
proverb which I won't be able to repeat, but it
was like you take the king's money, you fight the

(10:48):
king's war type shit. And I do think that there's
a dynamic where Charlie got a lot of advantages that
the three of us have never gotten, you know, like
and I never want I don't want to speak ill
of the dead. And Charlie was a really good guy
to me, and I think a good person, so like
I'm not like saying anything, but he was very talented
and very hard working and all those things. But he

(11:10):
blew up younger in life than any of us ever did.
And he got a lot of funding from this. Yes, yes,
and there is something to be said for like, you know,
and I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk got the right
to say the right thing and break from them. But
at the same time, you know, the example I always

(11:32):
use is like, you know, if you guys are wrestling
fans at all, you know the Montreal screwjob, the famous
story about Brett the hitman Heart, and I just never
in all those documentaries and all the retellings of the story,
I was never on Brett Hart's side. I always thought
he was crazy. Like it was like, dude, what are
you idiot? He's like, I'm not going to lose the title.
You're like, dude, you didn't win the title. What are

(11:53):
you talking about? Dude, It's not yours to decide whether
you lose it, Like we scripted that you won it
and Network script And I'm not saying it's in apples
to apples, but you can understand where if billionaires are
going to put you into prominence, they're also going to
put the people around you who they think ought to

(12:16):
be the people called. And so what exactly was Josh
Hammer's role, I don't know. He seems awfully close to
Israel and then awfully close to Charlie's inner circle. And
I'm not exactly buying his story that it's that Charlie
was so smitten and taken by his book.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I haven't written a book, but I debated the guy
twice and he's got nothing to say about the subject.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I mean, for example, you would have probably way rather
debated Charlie than Josh Hammer. And I think we can
all assume that Charlie would have given you a way
more intellectual and cogent debate than Josh Hammer would have.
Probably right in.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
A way, yes and no, but then the no side
to that, Yes, he was capable of it. But at
the same time, the difference is that Charlie would admit
when you have a point exactly and like, and Josh
wouldn't you know, Josh would deflect. He's doing that, Charlie.
The reason why I was actually really it would never happen.
But the reason why I was really into doing it,

(13:12):
like a conversation, not even in debate with Charlie Kirk
about it, is because he was the type of guy
that I almost feel like, you'd be like, but but
I could go but Charlie, you know, like, you've got this,
and he would get I even I had a few
moments like that with him off stage, and he would
just kind of smile and look away and go But
like you just I don't know, so so like I

(13:33):
get your point, But at the same time, I think
Charlie wasn't dishonest enough to actually do that and not
admit all right, yeah, I get your point on that.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I see.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
I think this is kind of what I'm what I'm
hinting at, is that Charlie Kirk was kind of like
Brett Hart in that he was telling Vince McMahon, I'm
not giving up the belt, and they're like, this is
not your organization. You don't get to decide to hold
the belt and to continue to go off script and
say whatever you want. You have to walk away. But
he's like, no, I'm not going to watch away.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
For the record, I was just using that as like
a way to think about it, Like I sided with
Vince McMahon and that, but I side with Charlie Kirk
and that. Like, but to be fair, Vince McMahon wasn't
genociding and he beat it, you know what I mean.
He was just he was shitting on bitches evidently. But
that's a STEPD story. And I don't approve of that either,
but it is it's not as bad. But yes, that's right,
that's right, unsated.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
And Charlie signed that deal, so to speak, he made
that agreement when he was a kid, like he was
nineteen and got scooped up by Bill Montgomery who's in
his seventies, and then this whole apparatus of five oh
one C threes and five oh one C four's and
all these other organizations sort of spring to life around
him over those next like eight years. And it's I mean,

(14:45):
show me a nineteen year old kid that understands the
implications of that, of what that agreement is going to
come down the line. But I think that, I mean,
I would assume I certainly don't know, but I would
assume that Charlie felt like he was at least, you know,
the main major contributor to building the organization. Like certainly
I would assume that he felt like his vision should
be steering the ship.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Probably, But well, look, but I mean that's one of
those things where and I've I've experienced this in life before,
everybody reasonably probably felt like they were responsible for building it,
you know, and like the funders and the backers also
probably reasonably thought they were responsible because look, I mean, look,
I don't know, and I don't know anything about him,
but what's the new kid who turning points trying to.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Push Holland like the all I know that his sign
has to cost like five thousand dollars. I'm sure that
the sign he's touring with costs more than my car.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
So well, look, I don't I don't know. I mean, look,
he's he kind of seems like he's AI. I mean,
but I'm sure he really exists, but it kind of
seems like he's an AI video. But like there is
a thing about him where you're like, look, I don't
think that is exactly gonna work, but you are like, yo,
he is really talented actually, like I saw him thinking,

(15:59):
You're like, well, this is like kind of it's kind
of weird to have a kid spitting like this kind
of perfect script at you that you so Anyway, I
guess my point is Charlie was crazy talented. He was
an unbelievably talented guy. He also had a thing that
I'm not sure any of us have, or actually i'm
sure none of us have, where you know, where there's
this certain talent. And by the way, Ben Shapiro had

(16:21):
this too, where you know, there's this thing where there's
a certain talent when like when you're eighteen, you're already fifty.
He's already like a fifty year old man. He's already
wearing a suit and tie, and he's already like, I
just want to get up and work all day long
and all towards this. And like, Charlie was incredibly driven
in a way that I think people on the outside

(16:41):
looking in think we're all the same, but like now
there's a real difference between what he was doing to
what the rest of us were doing. So they find
guys like that marajection.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Like the only person I've ever met that reminded me
of him is Vike Ramaswami.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
I went on the camp trail with just I've.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Heard that from other people too.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Dude, are charging super brilliant polish? You're like, are you
a robot? Like I'm not even sure you're a real person.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, and and like no, But it's just it's an
interesting thing because I'll be the first to say I
have none of that inmate at all.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Like I mean, I am like I want to like
I want to hang.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Out with my wife and kids, and then I want
to read a book before I fall asleep and maybe
talk to you two guys, and then but that's I'm
just I don't have that like I'm going to conquer
the world type energy, and I want stuff. I mean,
I want to be successful, but I don't have that.
And so they find people like that. But at the
same time, there's also a lot of people like that
who never do anything. But you find someone like that

(17:37):
and then they decide, we're gonna launch you into superstardom.
Who's Yeah, you could say it's really you, Sure it is.
It is you who built that. At the same time,
would you have built anything like that if those guys
hadn't like all a line behind you.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Probably not in a way that is the most impressive
thing about the Nick Fuentas phenomenon is that you're like, oh,
fuck you like actually built this. But again, Nick hasn't
built what Charlie back. What Charlie did was a different
fucking thing. Dude, like you that that is you know,
it's it's it's one thing.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I believe me.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I'm jajads and millions of dollars backing him whereas you
had tens of millions of dollars going against funt does
exactly like, yeah, that's pretty.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Crazy now that being said, as big as Nick is now,
he's not going out and selling out, you know, Charlie
was doing. How many people were at those goddamn events?
He's events with fifty thousand, sixty thousand people there. I mean,
this is this is like uh not, you know, I
mean it's it's there's really almost nothing else in this realm,

(18:41):
in our space that's comparable to that.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Other than all the mega Zionist conferences that happened right month,
right every other week basically at this point.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well mega churches, mega you know, basically, yes, all within
that same realm. But or or Trump or Trump campaign rallies.
I mean, there's really like almost aside from that, there's
really nothing that was on that level. And yes, all
of that is funded by very similar sources.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
But once once you start to put that kind of
money behind somebody, sure they're going to think that they're
a real boy. And yes he was very talented, and
yes they don't get to where they get without Charlie Kirk,
but they all know if you get out of line,
we're gonna rug you, like we're gonna rug you, and
if you don't accept being rugged, then we might do
something really dramatic.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I think that's the point.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
That Ian has been making since day two, and you know,
ye by the world for doing so. But I just
want to like elaborate, just ever so slightly on why
I feel like Josh Hammer is a handler. I know
I saw like a crazy person, but I don't think
you do. Yeah, well I know you don't, but the
rest of the world might well see. You know, Josh Hammer,

(19:50):
he has been on He's like a repeating guest on
all of the biggest shows in right wing media. And
if you look at his podcast, it has as many
episodes as What Shows.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
What shows is a repeating guest on?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Oh sorry, not not on, not on Joe Rogan, there
any of those. But I'm saying, like, no, no, but
I know, I just genuinely don't know what shows? Is
he a repeating guest because you've never seen the episodes?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I know, I know he uh, he writes for Newsweek
or he goes.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
He goes on.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
He's been He's a regular guest with Megan Kelly. He
was a regular guest with Charlie Charlie Kirk on his
show Regular Guest with Glenn Beck. I think pasobic as well.
He's like he's like a just a basically guy. You know,
he's in that orbit right right, No one gives a
fuck about him.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Like he's literally he's literally.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
A non factor.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Like if you were to if he were to try
and sell tickets to an event, he would get none.
He would get like I have more of a following
than he does by a lot. And that's crazy because
I've never been on any of those shows, none of
those shows.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Uh, dude, did you see he was whatever his his
podcast that was like the response to the Tucker Fuentez episode.
I saw it had like on Newsweek's official YouTube channel,
and it's Josh Hammer, the guy who's involved.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Just just off.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Look, Ben Shapiro had like great numbers on his latest one.
The whole comments section is against him, but at least
people wanted to watch. People don't even want to watch
what Josh Hammer has to say. People wanted to hate
watch Ben Shapiro his last episode. No one even it
is crazy that dude with in this moment. It seems
like he can't even like get a few thousand extra views.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
That's what I'm saying. He's just so mutable. It's like
you don't even care to respond and get clicks off
the responses.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
It's but I will I will say just because I
don't look, I'll just say that to the framing aspect,
I get your point with all of this, and we
could go down all.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
These these like you know, down these paths.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
But also I would just say that it's a little
bit subjective or from your perspective to say who got
what type of pushback, because like if you're saying Ian
got a whole bunch of pushback first saying it, you
know it was Israel who did this, like forty eight
hours after this. Believe me, I got a lot of
pushback for saying that there's no evidence that is really exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I think you probably have more pushback.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I mean, like, if we're talking about in the world
the people who are watching this show and in the
world of people in my mind, you got it was dude,
it might have been Ben Shapiro's last last episode or
Steven Crowder when he debated me in his comment section.
My whole comment section turned on me for that so
just saying I actually think in a weird way that

(22:26):
was the more you know, like you know, that'll get
you fucking hated, at least in our neck of the woods.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Let me let me just finish my point then I
want Ian to hop on this because so the I
look at like the reviews for Josh Haimer's podcast, he's
he's the editor in chief of Newsweek. He does all
of the biggest hits in right wing media. I do
none of those. I don't work for Newsweek. I'm literally
just a guy on Twitter with a podcast and a microphone.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
That's like all I do.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I have more than four times or five times the
reviews on Apple podcasts. I have way more viewership, way
more listenership, way more followers. It's like there is zero
organic support for this guy. He's a fucking non factor.
He doesn't exist. He's just basically like I am. Because
of whatever the fuck connections this guy has. He is
in the orbit of all of the most powerful speakers

(23:16):
on the right wing, and there's no audience to speak of.
There's no drive, there's no demand, there's no audience that's
following him around to listen to him. There was absolutely
zero incentive for them to have him on, but they do.
Why Dave, why the fuck do they have Josh Hammer
on their show over and over again? You see what
I'm saying, And it just it just strikes me as like, yeah,
this guy is an OP.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Sorry, I don't think he's the only one either. I
think there's a number of them just like that.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, well, I mean I guess we could hammer down
on it, like, I don't disagree with any of that.
I mean, but what do you mean by an op?
I mean like, yeah, I mean, he was in a
great chat and he lied about fucking Charlie Kirk and
he's gonna a bend in the.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Pro zero cause forty eight hours before a bullet. Yeah,
I was.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Sure, Yes, I know, I thought that was wild. I
talked about it a bunch on my show. This was
that was an insane revelation that Candace brilliantly pulled out
of him. But I don't know what exactly I feel
like it's almost saying with the tone that I'm arguing
with you on that, I don't know what you mean
by an hour I think that yeah, he was, there's

(24:21):
look what exactly the hell he's doing? There and why
all these people have him on. I mean, look, that's
a good question. I really have absolutely no idea to that.
And I think that the most probably aside from all
this stuff we're saying, because there is an essence of
it that's just kind of speculation where it's like, why
would Charlie have this guy who sucks so much around him,

(24:43):
Like he's not even good at what he's supposed to
be good at, how is he even helping? But the
fact that we have that he went out and lied
through his fucking teeth in the wake of the biggest
like political assassination of our lifetime during an active murder investigation,
that to me would at least make him a person

(25:06):
that the uh, you know, the the police would like
to have a word with.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think in a way there's almost like, you know,
I don't, look, I don't have any type of expertise
in police work or how exactly you would be a detective.
But then at the same time, just keep in mind,
Brandon Tatum was smart enough to be a cop, so
basically anyone could do it, Like anyone could. I don't
mean that as an insult to law enforcement. If you're

(25:32):
listening to this and as particularly if you're in my area,
I appreciate you protecting me. But I mean, if Brandon
Tatum can do that job. But look, if you think
about it like this, I think I'm right more or
less about this, right. But if you were like doing
detective work, there would be there you know, there's like
many different layers, right, so there'd be you know, you
might say there was like a murder and apartment building

(25:54):
and then you came up and you were trying to
ask people questions and someone like opened their apartment door
and then slammed the door and went away. Like that
might be enough to like raise the eyebrow of a
cop and go, let's go ask that person some questions.
But that's not evidence. That's not anything you could bring
in front. And then there's like a level where you know,
they'd be like like in the old cop shows, they'd go, well,

(26:16):
you come, we'd like to ask you some questions downtown.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Now you're not arrested.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
We don't have any probable cause or anything like, we
don't we can't make you come to We're like, hey,
we'd like to ask you some questions. Then there's a
level of being like a person of interest. Then there's
a level of being a suspect. Then there's the prime suspect.
Then there's we're going to get an indictment and arrest you.
Then there's we've convicted you beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
So, I think what happens is sometimes when people are
building these these theories. And I'm not saying it's not
everyone's a conspiracy theorist, and lots of conspiracy theories are real,
but when people are building these theories, it's almost like
if you go like, well, hey, there's this thing here
that would make you raise your eyebrow, or even there's
this thing here that would make you go, we'd like
to ask you some questions. Downtown people will act like

(27:00):
that is you were just convicted in a court of law,
and it's like, hey, we're not anywhere near there.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
No, no, no, yeah, I think he's a person of interest
to me, Like, that's where I'm at with I.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Think that's reasonable. Look, I think I think what at
least mine you guys can argue with me on this.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I guess where I am in this is.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I would go just by lying the way Josh Hammer
did and being so weird, you know, like it's almost
like the way he was promoting his book in the
interviews about it, it was almost like a wife getting
like a life insurance policy. You're like, Jesus Christ, Dude,
that would certainly be enough for me to go. We

(27:38):
want to ask this guy some questions, But does it
make him a person of interest debatably? Well, I think
the biggest let me just say this and then I'll
shut up for a while. I'm sorry I've been talking
a lot, but I'd say the biggest thing I heard
is that there was the dude Harrison Smith, I believe
his name is from Info Wars, who I kind of
dismissed at first, but he had said the one guy

(27:58):
said Charlie.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Feared for his light.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
He feared that Israel was going to kill him if
he came out against them. And then Candace I know
at one point, and I know Candas wouldn't say this.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
She like, I trust that Candace wouldn't just lie and
say this. She said.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Three different people close to Charlie confirmed with her that
Charlie was afraid that Israel was.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Gonna kill him if he came out against them.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Now, I don't know who those three people are and
I don't have any trust in them, But I know
Candace wouldn't say that unless three people had told her that,
Like I just know her. She was not lying about
her friend like that. Yeah, she said two of them
had it in writing. Right now, we haven't seen that.
We have not, but we do know that. Okay, So
we have Candas saying that, and we have the fact

(28:44):
that his right hand man sent the screenshot of him
saying I'm turning on Israel to the cops, like at
least was concerned enough to go, like, you should look
at this, so those pieces of evidence to me and
some detective could correct me wrong. I think if that's
true that three different people said that about Charlie, that

(29:04):
would make Israel a person of interest.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, that was Actually there's more than that.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
But I'm just saying that alone would make them not
a suspect but a person of interest, where you're like,
that's who we're going to be looking at now, but anything.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Else I was. But I'm jumped in on there too
because Max Blumenthal and The Gray Zone also reported numerous
UH sources corroborating that to them, and we don't really
know if they're the same sources or different sources. I
think it's likely there's overlap, because often if a whistleblower
is trying to whistle blow, they're gonna, you know, get
in touch with the you people.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Maybe, but that's true. So that's a fair point.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And so I just always assumed those must have been
the same three sources, but perhaps not.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yeah, it's hard to say. I think it very well
could be. But Bluementhal also elaborated on more reporting that
about Donald Trump apparently having a little bit of fear
and other things in the Trump camp around this, that obviously,
you know, you have to judge the sources for yourself,
and I try not to base my arguments on sources
that people have to judge for themselves, although I'll, you know,

(30:07):
I'll think about it, but I try to judge my
arguments based on things we can kind of all corroborate
in the open air. But I actually think that I
would disagree with you guys, and I actually I'm not
so suspicious that Josh Hammer is like necessarily a person
of interest in the murder of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Like certainly, sorry, I didn't I didn't even to imply
that I just meant that I think he's a person
of interest in the in the like overall.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Greater kind of yeah, like really, why why is he control?

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Yes, why is he actively lying about the mindset of
Charlie Kurk. Why is he trying to deflect from an obvious,
legitimate motive that we have evidence to know is real.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, just you know what it is is that the
thing like the in a weird way, and I think
this is kind of at the heart of what's been
going on in the last couple of years and what's
changed so much in the political dynamic. But like, the
clear thing that josh am Or did was that he
was rushing with his first and foremost priority was to

(31:06):
protect Israel, like and then to promote himself. But that
the thing was to go like, oh, it's ridiculous. It's
an anti Semitic conspiracy theory to think that Charlie Kirk
was turning on Israel even.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
When Zionists are you are you surprised right with a Zionist?
Could there be any other response?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
But exactly, but in the same But the point is
that in the same way as that might point toward
a conspiracy, it also points against it. Because you go, yeah,
that's how all of them are all the time. Anyway,
Like do you think, like, like you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Isn't that a conspiracy by nature? Isn't that a like
a conspiracy by nature? Like isn't that the most taboo
anti Semitic conspiracy in its nature is that, unfortunately Zionists
are inherently incentivized to protect Israel at all costs, and
we all bear the brunt of that. When you say,
I mean Brett Cooper is currently bearing the brunt of that.
She says like one thing that's totally reasonable about Randy Fine,

(31:57):
and you know, a couple of assholes, and suddenly, like
all of these conservatives are trying to pretend like she's
not a total sweetheart that it was beloved yesterday.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
First of that was I saw that that was cool.
And can I tell you, I don't know anything, which
I'm not supposed to. I don't know anything about that
chick other than I know she was the girl who
everyone said looked like she was related to Ben Shapiro
who was on Daily for a while. Like that's all
I know. And all I know is that I saw
one time, I saw a clip of her. I don't
know if you remember this, Clint, but there was one time,
like a few years ago where she just gave like

(32:27):
Ron Paul a ton of love in some clip and
then that went viral, like in our circles because we're
like libertarian Ron Paulian's and I was like, Yo, that's
fucking awesome, like the chick, because you know, Ben Shapiro,
the reason I've hated him for fifteen years and I
will never stop hating him is because the way he
went after Ron Paul and so I was like, oh,
it's so awesome that his daughter is on his airwaves

(32:48):
and how awesome Ron Paul is. But I never thought
much of it. And then one time I was having
lunch with Candace Owens and she started bringing her up,
and she was like, oh, she's about to leave the
Daily Wire, and you know, when Candice gives you gossip,
you're like, I don't know if that's really true or not,
but this one turned out to be true, and and
she goes, she's awesome. She's I swear, she's really solid,

(33:09):
and so after that I was just like, oh, I
think she's cool, but I never knew it, but that
was awesome.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
What she said.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I thought it was perfect and it was a perfect,
like totally reasonable point. And like to what you're saying
in the thing about that being the most anti Semitic
conspiracy theory of all is like, well, yeah, according to
those fucking liars, that's what they would tell you is
the most anti But of course, in reality, that's fucking
just obvious. The idea that like they're the idea that

(33:37):
Ben Shapiro or fucking Ted Cruz or any of these
motherfuckers have loyalty to Israel is like they fucking say
it in their own words, and then if you turn
around and say it, that's like, oh what now, now
you're anti Semitic or something.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
So that's no.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
The whole point is that obviously all these guys, like
does anyone you know any of them? Dude, But it's
not it's it's not even a Jewish thing. It's I mean,
it's partially a Jewish thing. But it's like if Ben
Shapiro or Ted Cruz or Lindsay Graham or Randy Fine
or Brandon Tatum for that matter, if their wife on
their deathbed said, you know, I've been thinking about it,

(34:15):
and I think the way Israel's treating the Palestinians is
just wrong. And then died, and then a camera asked them,
what did your wife say on her deathbed, They'd go
she said Israel was the greatest country ever because they
will just protect them at all costs.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
And it's very bizarre, but that's literally what happened with Charlie.
But this is not him dying of natural causes of
old age. This is him getting shot with a high
powered rifle. You know, like, this is a big fucking deal.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
David.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Sorry, I know I sound like I'm yelling at you,
but I'm not yelling at you. I'm just like, I'm
genuinely freaked the fuck out that I saw a guy
that I kind of knew a little bit, that's in
like basically a colleague of ours in this world get
clapped for fucking no reason. And he seems to be
a really good guy in the family man, and no
one gives Herslabic doesn't care. Nobody fucking cares. It's like,
why do I care more than all of his friends?

Speaker 5 (34:59):
This is crazy?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, And then and then pasobiac it just then goes
on so like you're going to contaminate the crimes. You're
going to contaminate the trial if you suggest anything, if
you ask any questions, if you presume any anything like
as in, you know, innocent until proven guilty. This is America. Yeah,
that's true. So Pasobiac proceeds to go on to X
and basically Daily Post. I saw a leftist shoot and

(35:22):
kill Charlie Kirk, right, and I saw the left cheer,
and it just over and over and over that exact
same sentence. It's like, dude, did you ever leave the
intelligence agency that you used to work for? Straight? And
this is weird, dude, And and there's so many other
establishment figures like him that we're supposed to be Charlie's
best friend. Not to mention all of the TPUSA insiders
that have openly lied multiple times throughout this case and

(35:42):
said things that are are physically impossible.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
They just left. Candice owns in the wind. She's like,
she's like Charlie was saying he was abandoned. The prois
real cause and they all just go lion bitch, crazy bitch,
and you're like what And then comes out of this.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Like, for example, board member goes on to PbD and says, no,
Candas has nothing to do with the company, and she
hasn't been there for years and years and years. And
it's like not only was she there like this year,
but she also Charlie was saying he was going to
invite her back.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Well I know this. I know this from in the
last year just hanging out with UH, with Candace and
hanging out with Charlie, and both of them came up
when I was hanging out with both of them because
you know, of course we talk about all this shit
when we're together, and both of them spoke about each
other with the utmost like just love and admiration.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, like every time I you know, and I.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
More so.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You know, it's weird now after someone's you know, been
killed like that, but like I was more when I
was talking to Candas, I was like, what the fuck's
up with Charlie?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
You know, Like I was like, what is that with it?

Speaker 3 (36:45):
You know?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
And this before when I was talking to Candas about
this is before I kind of like became friends with Charlie.
But I was like, you know, what's it? And She's
like like, he's the greatest guy ever. And she had
never had a bad thing to say about him, she
loved him and that's real, and I think it's something
you could see in can His coverage of this is
that she's like and something and it's part of the
reason why she's had such high ratings. This isn't to

(37:06):
take away from like the quality of her show or
anything like that, but there is something just really compelling
about like you're watching, First off, Candace Owens is like,
you know, you guys all know it's Candace. She's a
fucking pitfall who's just fearless.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
She gets a hold of something, she's like, I don't
give a fuck what you call me. I'm gonna shake
this thing till I find something out of here. And like,
you know, I think probably every now and then she
latches onto things where there's nothing to shake out of there.
But then every now and then she latches onto things
and you're like, oh, you shook a few fucking solid
pieces out of that thing. But the thing that's been
crazy about her coverage of Charlie is that you could
tell she's also like in deep grief, like a real

(37:41):
like I just lost my fucking brother, you know, type
of grief.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
And he spoke the same way about her.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
So Eric that dude Eric On Patrick Bith David, Who's like,
oh she wasn't That's bullshit, dude, Charlie loved her. She
wasn't out of his inner circle at all. I could
tell you that for sure. And in terms of being rattle,
believe me, I think I'm quite rattled by this whole situation.
I mean, I again, on top of the whole other thing,

(38:08):
I just I got to know Charlie this year.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
It's of course very weird.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
You were there two months ago and and the debate
that you.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Had me being there as part of the reason why
he was killed.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Of course, this is why I'm trying this. This is
why I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
But if we're building a fucking case. Look, if we're
actually building a case to build a theory, like like
you were saying, Ian right, and there's always been And
I said this, Look, I know I criticized you, and
I didn't mean to like go out of my way
to like totally go like, hey, dude, like we can't
just say Israel did this. But when I've given you,
and I have given you a lot of credit and

(38:44):
given you props on my show before one of my
favorite things about you was always that I love that
you didn't have the the fake certainty that Alex Jones
always had. And I like Alex, very very cool to me,
but it was always Alex always presented everything as if
it was a certainty when he was right or when

(39:06):
he was completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Like I mean, just so many whereas Ian would.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Always like and and you know, you would always have
these things where it would be like, now, listen, there's
this declassified document. Isn't that interesting? Now we don't know
exactly what this means, but like, look, I mean that's
pretty fun. And I always thought that was a better
way to do it. And so like, if we're building
a case here, we can't just go, hey, this is weird,

(39:32):
and this is weird. We gotta go Okay, let's really
look clearly, there's one element to this that's just undeniable.
Charlie was going through a profound thing over this Israel question.
You know, look, everyone is going through a profound thing
over this. I just had a post on Twitter today
about and it's and people are giving me a lot

(39:53):
of shit about this, But isn't it crazy? Donald Trump
came in with the greatest opportunity in the history of
the world a year ago, and right now there's a
fucking communist mayor in New York City. The Democrats have
had a good night, The Republicans are having a civil war.
They're fucking and it's all over the goddamn Israel issue.
It's like the whole thing. And so obviously Charlie Kirk

(40:15):
was also in the middle of that battle. But the
fact that he was in the middle of that battle,
and the fact that all the fucking handlers who had
been placed around him all lied through their fucking teeth,
and the fact that NETANYAHUU tried to use it and
all of that, none of that actually proves anything about
what happened.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
It's just it doesn't It doesn't prove it. But man,
is it funny. Let's let's rewind at the beginning. Yeah,
that's controversial tweet because your your criticism was totally not
not taken uh harshly, And I like, I love it
when people that that are respectable, that are that are
thoughtful criticized because that's how you have good cut conversations

(40:53):
instead of having like fucking shills criticizing, because then you
can't actually have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
There sure, sure, And so.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
My thinking, like when I host this very controversial tweet
the day after, if I remember the word incorrectly, is
that I'd kind of watched the day before and I
had actually purposely stayed out of it for one day,
which you know, took some doing because I, you know,
I am young and rash and on that first day,
obviously the Internet was going crazy and the Internet was
already speculating wildly about Israel, and I was watching that happen,

(41:22):
and in the morning when I woke up, I mean,
my first thought here is that, and I'd be curious
what your opinion is on this, both of you, is
that when I look at a high level political assassination
kind of at the caliber of a JFK, maybe a
little below, but certainly not a lot of comparable assassinations,
in my mind, the chances of that being a lone
nut versus an intelligence agency, it is already more likely

(41:44):
this an intelligence agency without knowing anything else about it,
just because of like, how many times has a loan
nut actually shot a high level political person and gotten
away with it? Because every single one that I know
of in history was told that it was a lone nut.
But it's like pretty well understood that almost every single
one was.

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and Ian Carroll and Hi, I'm Clint Russell.

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I'm the other guy.

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Speaker 5 (42:33):
That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Oh and if you want to just get cozy, go
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get back into the show. That's exactly the point I
was just gonna make. It's it's the narrative is always
loan nut, and then the conclusion is almost always not
loan nut, and it's intelligence agency. So that I think
that's the reason I didn't have so much of a
problem with your tweet, I just would have been like,
I would have put a a it looks likely.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
What I should have said was if so, then Israel
just shot them else. But I was feeling spicy, and
part of that was intentional because I knew you. I
knew that all of you guys that were closer to
the matter needed to and were right, to be more
careful about your words and to think very thoughtfully about
how you interacted. And I knew that Tucker, for example,

(43:16):
wasn't going to come out firing. But like I knew
that we were going to get mad Israeli propaganda. I
knew that we were going to just be in it
with Israeli propaganda, and at a certain point, like I
am always willing to get into the mud and fight
in the mud and just like get in it. And
so I was like, I'm perfectly okay with posting something
that's a little more bombastic, because we are about to

(43:37):
enter the craziest muzzling festival that we have ever seen,
and I certainly didn't want the conversation about maybe it's
Israel to die on the vine while they produced the
narrative that we're obviously about to receive so that was
my thinking at the time.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Okay, so I can well, look, I can understand all that.
And look, there's been many times that I've gotten a
little out over my skis or said something a little
so I'm not like holding that against you, and and
I would think that, and I would like to think,
at least in my case, and I think in your
case too, that usually even if we get a little
out over our skis, we're at least pointing, you know,

(44:15):
in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, and so yeah, right, and.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
So so first of all, I would just say, Clint,
to your point, I get what you're saying, dude, but like,
we can't get emotional about this and start thinking like
women here. So like if you just go, if you
just go, oh, isn't that weird that all this was
going on and then he got killed? It's like that's
not again, that's.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
Hold on, let me let me. Yeah, this is what
I've been trying to trying to get all.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
But I want to I want to hit both of
these points. But oh, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
No, well, I just I just want to say. The
whole reason I've been trying to give Ian the floor
is because I followed this you know, I just I
followed this closer than you have, Dave, Like, there there
are a lot of things that aren't just weird, but
like there's so many fucking yeah, there's so many it
points here, and no pun intended that that once you
look at them, you you don't you don't come away

(45:05):
just saying this is weird. You come away going this
is probable. Like that's really where I'm at with it.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I'm I'm just saying, no, okay, but I'm just responding
to what you had said before to go like, oh,
but okay, so obviously he had these handlers around him,
and then they're gonna react in this way when he dies,
and then you go like, okay, but dude, come on,
I'm just saying, if I went out and got shot
in the head tomorrow, Like if I just went and

(45:30):
got in a bar fight and got killed tomorrow, it'd
be very easy to go, really, dude, after all these
public debates about Israel, then he happens to get shot
in the head.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So I'm just saying that argument is just not an
argument that that's just.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
When I'm driving I think about that all the time. Dude.
I'm always like, if I get an arc in a
car crash. Right now, everyone's gonna be convinced, like there
will be the craziest conspiracy it was.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Who was the one? Was it?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Mgt or and I'm sorry Marjorie Taller? And who said?
Or maybe with someone else who goes, uh if I die,
Israel did it? And you're like, yeah, but how do
you even know that, because wouldn't there be a point
where like it's just some random person who's killing you'd
be like.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Fuck, I shouldn't have said that. All right, Well now
it turns out it's just so anyway, I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
All I'm saying is like again, I'm not saying I'm
not saying you have no case here. I'm just saying
I want to make sure we remove the stuff that
isn't real. Evid. It's like, I remember there was this
guy who okay he I really just stopped responding to him.
Ian you may know who this is because he he
I think runs me no. But he made he made

(46:38):
this uh like he made a documentary about how Israel
killed JFK and did nine to eleven. And he was like, dude,
you have to watch this documentary. It's gonna blow your mind, Dave.
I know you're not convinced that these two, but it's
gonna fucking convince you. You gotta look at this. And I
watched the documentary and I got through the literally the
first three minutes of it, and the first three minutes

(46:58):
were a thing where he goes in the whole thing
about During nine to eleven, they have that interview which
you guys may have seen with the Israeli chick and
she's on the ground and she's like smiling, and he's like,
what is she smiling about? Blah blah blah, And I
just made me turn the thing off because I just went, dude,
this should be cut out of your documentary. I know
this might like this isn't evidence. We have to think

(47:21):
like grown ups here like this this. So again, I'm
not saying there isn't any evidence. I'm just saying when
you start with and then that same guy, this is
all I remember about him is after Trump got shot
in the ear, he was like a Trump never got shot.
It was Israel and there was no bullet and there
was this and I'm just like, dude, you.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Guys are like talking about I'm not sure. I'm not
a no Planers point.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
If you want to say, would you go, hey, high
level political assassinations, did they almost always end up being
more than what they seem to be? Does there always
end up at least being unanswered questions that the only
point in the direction of there are unanswered questions, you know,

(48:04):
like I don't know what was ever proved about Henckley
shooting Reagan, but I do know that he had what's
his name, Bush's brothers like name, and his address book,
and that he had like all this, and that's enough
to make you go, like, I think there was some
more to that. So if you want to go, hey,

(48:25):
like to that point, there is a more than fifty
percent chance that, like there is something more to this
that I would go.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yeah, well, I mean it seem it does seem like
fk rfk MLK, Fred Hampton, like all of these major
political figures. And you got to keep in mind too,
this is all pre internet, dude, Like they could get
away with fucking anything.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Okay, it was so easy.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Think about how how easy it is today because they
just deluge you with like propaganda and shit. They could
still get away with crazy stuff. They got away with
releasing a bio weapon on the planet that was man made,
and no one even gives a fuck. We've all moved on.
It was the largest transfer of wealth in human history.
No one gives a fuck. It's like it didn't even happen.
My whole show is named after it. No one cares.
And we have the internet, right, we have the Internet.

(49:11):
I'm just saying that.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
It's not exactly like it didn't happen. Man, Like, that's
part of the reason why we're all like getting attraction.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
You know, that's true, But sorry, I just just the
only point I'm making is that like almost all of
those high profile political assassinations were the government. Like I
think it was almost always domestic intel.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well we're you know, we're we're all of them the government.
I mean, I yeah, probably a lot of them were,
and then probably a lot of them were.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I think the government is kind of a misnomer in
that case. Yeah, yeah, really is a better generalization, but
even that is kind of generalization.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
And then like them doing it versus them letting it
happen is an important distinction, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
But I think I think I think that the clarifying
point there is that if you can kill somebody and
get away with it, like the President United States. You
are the fucking government, Like you're you're the real government.
You're like all the other bells and whistles and shit,
the FBI, the CIA, like the President United States, the Congress.
None of y'all are the government. If you can murder
people in front of the world and get away with it,
you govern this bitch, Like that's the real power.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Well that's the well isn't that the ultimate libertarian insight?
Like the real fucking libertarian insight? Right, They're like it's
just there's really what call it, whatever the fuck you
want to call it, But whoever is in, whoever is
enforcing their will on someone else, is essentially the government
in that fucking instance.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
So yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
And and look, I think I think we should all
be open to the possibility too that like even within
you know, like even to like the point that you
were just like getting at Ian where you go, like
even the deep state isn't quite enough, right, because you
all know there are people there are like people who
work for the CIA who would swear and pass a

(50:54):
fucking polygraph test that they'd be like one of these
conspiracies are fucking true, Like the CIA doesn't do. But
that's just because you don't know about any of that shit,
Like you're just not in that fucking department or in
the group. Which in fact, if I've to the best
of my ability, if my because like I said, we're
all conspiracy theorists, so if my conspiracy conception of the

(51:16):
world is correct, to the best of my understanding, I
think it's all at this point fucking subgroups that have
long almost been disconnected from actually the CIA and the massade,
Like essentially they all started contracting their shit out to
like smaller and smaller groups that almost operate above those
organizations with the weight of them, but completely separate from

(51:38):
those organizations. And so it like it gets complicated. But
at the same point, I would just say, keep in
mind that it could be completely possible. I'm not saying
any of this is trip, but just to like, for
the thought experiment of it, it could be completely possible
that Josh Hammer is the worst of what you all
think he is, and he still had no idea what
the real fucking plan is or what the real conspiracy is,

(52:01):
Like he's just put in his position to play his role,
and then other yeah, really, I don't really mastermind.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
No, he's not. He's not read in that motherfucker the plan.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Yeah, No, I've never I've never implied he's ready in.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
And then I also look, I also think with a
lot of these things, it's kind of hard to tell.
And I know there was a big one of one
of the uh things that well, one of the things
when when Nick Foyntes was coming at me, uh earlier
in the year before me and him, we were under
a temporary ceasefire. Right now, but before that, it's holding

(52:34):
on by a thread. Israel do it better than the
actual seas fire there's been it is, It is doing better.
No one's been killed on either side, so it is
doing better than that.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
No.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
But one of the things he was an there was
a clip that you know about where I was saying,
and I probably didn't say this in the right way,
but I was saying the thing where I was like,
look like, Israel in a lot of ways is the
satellite of the US Empire.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And that probably wasn't the right way to put it.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
And obviously I think I've talked a lot over the
years about how much influence Israel exerts on our government,
but these things are also kind of hard to parse out.
And well, I think it was Oh, Clint, you might
know this, but I think it was Sobrand's quote who said,
the best way to understand the neo Conservatives is the
Israel lobby's marriage with the military industrial complex. And like

(53:22):
really that was almost like the whole key to this
whole thing was that the fucking this, this core component
of the Israel lobby married itself to the military industrial
complex and actually got the whole goddamn thing on their side,
and that was like a huge change. Like that is
that is how the neo Conservatives got the pull that
they got.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Because those guys, I think you're wrong. Okay, banks, Well,
in what way bankers. Bankers are in charge of both
of them. The banker they all answer to the bankers,
Like the military industrial complex worked for the banks. They
are they do the dirty work of the banks, and
they're making money for the banks. Like the Israel lobby
they don't, like they're not as directly affilid because they're
not exactly corporation. But but like, try to tell me

(54:04):
that they have more power than the bankers.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
No, it's not, it's not exactly that. So I think
like the banks. The bankers almost preceded the military industrial complex.
It was a creation creators. It was it was their creation.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Right, and background World War one industrial.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Right, exactly right, So you have you have the Federal
Reserve comes in a few years later, we're in World
War one. Then we're we're.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Off both sides like this is going right.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
But if you look at say like in the post
post World War two, there's the essentially what Alex Jones
was telling you, the conspiracy was up until twenty fifteen,
but hadn't been for quite a while. Actually was that
the Council on Foreign Relations and the the was the

(54:55):
World Trade Organization and the the fucking what's the one.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I World Economic Forum?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
And no, no, it was.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Before the Trilateral the Trilateral Commission, I'm sorry, it was
the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group and the Council on
Foreign Relations, And that was true for a while.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But those were all that was. Like the Rockefellers and the.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Morgans and the oil men and the steelmen and the
bankers and the neo conservatives if you look at the
first group, but they weren't the elitists like that. They
weren't at Harvard and Yale. They were at City College.
That's where they were all back. They were like at
the New York fucking City College because they were Jewish
kids from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
They couldn't afford any of that shit.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
But what they did was because it was all waspy
and the Council on Foreign Relations, and they wanted to
get their own. If you look at all of it,
they all their shit, it's like every goddamn Bill Crystal
or you know, all the all their think tanks, all
the Project for a New American Century and all the
fu they all were funded by weapons companies. Like they

(55:59):
went and made their own relationships with the military industrial complex,
started their own thing and they kind of took over. Now,
obviously they linked up with other you know, like they
were they were pushing in the direction the system wanted
to go, and so bankers got on board and like
all these other all the old guard kind of got

(56:20):
on board. But those guys made their own thing that
was separate from kind of like the ruling apparatus.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
But if you if you read the Web's book, you
know one one nation under Blackmail, and I know you
you reference this whole time.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I listen I'm down to do your show, but I'm
not going to start reading women.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
We can talk.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
We can talk part of it.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
But yeah, that book's crazy, and but the point I'm
getting to is that, like what she lays out is
the history of you know, both the mob and the
mafia and how they how they do that over and
over and over again, and iferent different communities, different cultures,
and they always they basically recognize both a market demand
and also the incentive structure of the government, and then

(57:08):
they basically find like a gray or a black market
way to get in there, and then they use the
incentive structure of the government to reinforce and re entrench
their own position of power. It's just that the Israelis,
the Zionists do it better than fucking anybody I've ever
seen in my life.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Like they like they came up with the plan almost
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, that's it, right, dude.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
But it's always but even that is like there's different
Zionist gangs, dude, Like the fucking different Zionist gang dude.
And Akrabin, you know, yit tsuk Ra Bean is not
exactly the peace neck that everyone makes them out to be.
By the way, but you know what I mean, Like
he was a pretty fucking bad guy too, because it's
all gangster shit, but he was the one who is
at least like h for fucking strategic reasons, we got

(57:49):
to stop doing this to the Palestinians and kind of
move away from this because otherwise this is going to
all go so bad for us to like you know,
you know, yasuk Raban's wife to this day blames net
and Yahou for his death, like because he Dude, if
you think you think any of the talk, even what
fucking Mark Levin is saying about uh Nick Fointees right now,
is not as bad as what Benjamin Netah who did

(58:11):
to yat Zach Rubbin. Dude, they were they were doing
Imagine literally you know how Mark Levin's talking about Nick
Fuenttees right now, and he's going.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But I'll not say neck, let I'll lay it off. Neck.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Someone ought to stop you. You want to come see me.
But it was the weirdest thing ever. You're eighty, you
fucking weird. And also what are you trying to out Fuentes,
Nick Foontes.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
It's just so weird, Like what do you do?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Like anyway, but you know what, Benjamin Netah who did.
They led marches holding caskets that said yes yat zak
Rabin on the side of them. They fucking were like
they they did these crazy over the time, and then
a net Yahoo found fucking murdered Yit zak Rabin. Right,
So anyway, I'm just making the point that even within
all these fucking gangs, there's different gangs that rise up.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
It's all just gangster shit. That's what all of it is.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
As at my point is that neo conservatives where they
were their own fucking gang that was almost like an
offshoot you know, the way Hamas is an offshoot in
the Muslim brotherhood. They weren't offshoot of the Lacud party.
They were like the American vanguard of the Israel lobby
van you know, LACUD party, And then they got way
in with the military industrial complex and they ended up

(59:20):
getting But the point is that there were there were
other Zionist gangs who fucking thought the neocons were out
of their fucking minds, who were like, yo, dude, don't
let them what are you talking about, dude, Let Paul
Wolfowitz decide shit. Like there were like and and even
and then there were like there were other uh you know,

(59:40):
there were other groups that just like hawkish Americans who
were like, hey, I kind of like this because we
could get these wars going, but then let's get some
other wars going, and like there's anyway. I guess my
point is just that there's all different groups of those,
but the neocons particularly found their lane and took over.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:56):
No, I've never viewed this stuff as like a monolithic evil.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
It's it's obviously it's very complicated, but I also do recognize,
like the outcome of it has been that my country
has been fucked up by these people, you know, like
that's just the truth. And and I think that, you know,
this is why, you know, I did an episode that
went crazy viral over the past week, you know, breaking
down essentially why I think Nick Fuantes is such a

(01:00:22):
phenomenal phenom. And I think that he, you know, in
a weird way, he really reflects the anger that I have,
you know, like not philosophically, he and I differed tremendously,
but we align very similarly on how furious we are
at at the trajectory of our country, at the leadership
of our country, the government of our country, the politicians

(01:00:46):
of our country, but also the media, the entire environment.
It's just it's fucking disgusting and nobody's actually standing. And
it's weird because like, this is the void that Ben
Shapiro briefly filled kind of kind of a role model
for you young men, but never really and then Jordan
Peterson came in and really became that for a while.
And then he got fucking strung out and started to

(01:01:06):
tell people to take vaccines and lost his mind. And
I still love Jordan Peterson. I'm not talking shit, but
let's be honest. He fucking ate ass over the past
couple of years. And then, uh, you know, you got
the Tate brothers, particularly Andrew, who fills that void.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
And it's just like all we're.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Seeing over and over and over again is this incredible
market demand for young men to have a leader. And
it's like, all right, here's your next one. Nick Fuentes, sorry,
you guys, keep you guys, keep fucking destroying the guys
who step into this void. It's just gonna keep getting
more radical, and like that's where we're headed. And I'm
not even sure that it's a bad thing. And I

(01:01:42):
know talk me off the ledge.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Is it a bad thing? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
It depends on who that leader is, right, Well, I'm
saying I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Saying no, I'm saying specifically, funt is is is him?
Is him being?

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Because I think he's the most popular voice amongst you know,
under third crowd that is politically activated in the country
right now, and I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Let's to clarify why he is the why is he unique?
And I would argue it's because he's a race realist.
That's the position that is so unique about him, and
that's the position that he actually is like the champion of.
And that is not just about the Jewish question, although
I think that he is he like like I used
to kind of oppose him on his take on that,
but ultimately I've been largely swayed by a lot of

(01:02:25):
his his perspectives on that side of the argument. But
I think that it like even people aren't looked at
looking at that side of it is like the race
realism is, like you there's those these clips of like
black people watching his take on black people and they're
just like that it's a good point, Like I mean
not obviously, I've seen great because I think that there's

(01:02:46):
a level of honesty, to that level of authenticity, to
that race realism that and unfortunately, in times of extreme
global poverty or national poverty, racial tensions flair and and
class tensions flair, and races like unfortunately tied to class
in this nation too. And so I think that what's
so unique about him that makes him fill that void

(01:03:06):
because it's not like he's a particularly manly man, sorry, Nick, Like,
like you know, he is who he is, but he's
not like like some big hulk and dude that's like
your typical alpha. But it's that honesty and that authenticity
that I think is what's resonating with young men and like, like, honestly,
I think for me it falls on dead ears when
or deaf ears when people try to paint it as

(01:03:28):
though he's like some terribly dangerous force, at least in
his current incarnation. I think you might be able to
make that argument about much much younger Nick Fuente's opinions,
But yeah, well just feels out of touch with the
youth when people make those arguments.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
No, I agree with that, And I just want to say,
you know, like, you know, I look at Fuinta's Yeah,
you're right, he's not physically imposing, but he's he's a
very strong figure in the sense that he's he's got
this incredible I mean, the charism is phenomenal. And then
the courage to say the thing that you're not supposed

(01:04:04):
to and to say it with your your whole ass
chest and be like, I'm gonna fucking have the whole
world hate me. Dave, You've talked about this with other people.
I forget who you were talking to. Maybe it was
Robbie and and it was like that that there was
just something unique and special about that that like, most
most young men today don't have that, Like they came
out of this the me too slash woke environment where

(01:04:26):
they're just being canceled and suppressed and hated and basically
demonized as if they were like the problem of the
entire universe. Right, And then you just have this one
white kid with a Hispanic last name that rises from
the ashes, and he goes like, I'm gonna say the
N word, you know, and everyone's like, I love this
fucking guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
So I don't know, Well, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Got a you know, look, you know, when when Donald
Trump first ran for president. Right there was this mix
that this this like coming together of many different factors
that made him this unbelievable force. Right Like, he wasn't
just like the most famous guy and the richest guy,

(01:05:08):
but he was also the brashest guy and the funniest
guy and the you know, there's just like all these
factors that led him because he could have had all
that you know, you think about like Mike Bloomberg, he
was a real real rich guy and a real real
famous guy, but when he went up against Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Warren, he was like, oh, I don't know, and so
all right, you're done. That doesn't count.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Like you had to have all that plus and whereas
you could find a guy on the street who would
be brash enough to go fuck you Elizabeth Warren, but
he doesn't have a billion dollars and yet so Fuint
has had this kind of like a lot of different
qualities that led to him having this this moment that
he has right now and the time. You know, he's
an incredible talent. He's incredibly funny, he's incredibly like, uh,

(01:05:52):
you know, he's got he's got a mix of being
the best at the like sarcastic I'm on an Xbox headset,
just telling you to you know, like, uh, suck your
mother's dick if you don't like the way. You know,
like he's got that, but then also is pretty well
read and can make really compelling points and so he's
got like an incredible you know, skill set, And it's

(01:06:15):
been fascinating to watch his rise because it just like
says something so profound about what the fuck is going
on and how different everything is that this guy who's
his starting position is under any conventional standard, this can't
possibly work, you know, like I'm taking all of the

(01:06:35):
positions that are are non starters by definition, and yet
it's skyrocketing. That just says how much everything has been
turned upside down now too. Like to me, I don't
think I certainly don't have the view that Ian has
that like, uh, he convinced me on something I think
in a weird way. To the extent the race realism

(01:06:59):
that I would agree with was something that at least
in my generation, we always kind of took as a
given and was just something that we all knew. But
you know, you don't, like, don't be a dick about it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
But not on the Jews, like influence in America, though
that's been a conversation that has not been broached until
recent political conversations well in New York a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Say this, Well, let me say this, it's not so much.
Maybe I'm not saying it wasn't broached in the same way.
I'm just saying the idea of it even being offensive
would have been like, you know, like from where I'm from,
the way I kind of grew up, it'd be almost
like if you were like, oh, the Jews run the banks,
that would just be like, yeah, like that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
It was just a different kind of world. And so look,
I think that the the idea that there's no I
don't know, I think that Nick Foyintez has created you know,
oh Clint's God, he's just adjusted some I think that

(01:08:08):
it's an interesting moment to see kind of like where
all of this goes now. And I think that the
I think all of these conversations should be things that
we all flesh out a lot more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
One of the things I was noticing was that when
because both on when I had point as on and
when Tucker had point as on, we both kind of
brought up these topics like, so what are we talking
about here? Is it the Jews or is it the
Israel lobby and the neocons and the Israeli government, or
is it can Christians believe in collective guilt? And what

(01:08:41):
racial hatred versus this? And it almost seemed like in
a way, we're all kind of talking past each other,
and so it's like you almost have to get like
very specific, like what do you mean here? Because when
Tucker at least when when Tucker asked him, you know,
about the thing where he was like, look, we're Christians.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
We can't believe in collective guilt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
We can't believe in it any of this, And then
his response was something like, well, I don't think you
can divorce Jewish identity from the fact that a lot
of Jews support Israel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
You're like, yeah, but like everyone knows that that's not controversial,
and so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
It's almost controversial. That's extremely controversial.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah, yeah, so like that that is mean, like that
is everyone even they would admit that. The Zionists would
say that's why they submer Jewish.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
To accuse a Jewish person that like of to be
suspicious of a Jewish person. The American government of you
might be more loyal to Israel than America just because
you're Jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
That is that's hold on, but that's it. No, no, no,
But that's a very different See, that's a slightly different statement.
There's a different statement to say that the Jews who
are loyal to Israel, like the Zionists who say in
their own words that like, part of the reason I
love Israel is because it's the Jewish state, and as
a Jewish person, I support that state. To say that
that has something to do with their Jewish identity is

(01:09:58):
different than to say you inspect any Jewish person of
having that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Well, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
But the question is kind of inherent in the sense
that if it was about a Chinese national, the question
is obvious. You have the obvious question where if there's
a Chinese national in the US government in any position
of power, is this a spy and how do you
vet that? And what do we and not to say
like I'm not saying I have an opinion on this
specifically right now to flesh out. I'm saying that the
question is there and it would need to be fleshed

(01:10:25):
out obviously, right, And so that exact same question obviously
applies to Jewish people and the relationship to Israel. And
obviously not all Jewish people would wind up having that
level of allegiance that would be concerning, just like not
all Chinese nationals would. But the question is extremely controversial
to target to point at a Jewish person just because
of their Jewishness, even if it's not like not a Zionist.

(01:10:46):
But and this is where I was saying that he
changed my mind because when I first approached this concept,
being very new to learning about it and just trying
to learn my best I initially zeroed in on just
Israel and Zionism and we should divorce that completely from
the Jewish part of it. And obviously, like you're a
perfect example of why, like you can't blame all Jews
for like that's not what I'm trying to say. What
I'm saying is is that the uncomfortable question is that

(01:11:09):
is it's just the conversation of how do you figure
out what to do about the question given that we
have like that that we have examples of foreign national
spying for other countries in government positions that you wouldn't
have known that they had those other allegiances you wouldn't
have known other than that national like that me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
So maybe i'd say this like a because I know, Clint,
I know, I'm sure you have. I don't know, like
if you you read like a like Thomas soul and
Walter Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I mean, I've seen you know who they are small exposure,
but I've not read whole book.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
A lot of them like went through the phase of
like reading those guys as one of our So like
a lot of those guys, look, they would just like
kind of make I mean at this point these are
kind of standard boiler played arguments, but they were black
guys who were making the argument that actually welfare undermines
the black community, and the minimum wage is the worst
law for young black kids, and actually you want free

(01:12:07):
market capitalism and not socialism and that and so if
you had if you were what you know, if you
were awoken as James lindsay will get offended by his say,
but if you saw that went oh wow, that makes
sense to me. That actually what and then you were
to say, okay, I want to convince like other black people.
Like both of them were black people who were like, hey, like,
let's convince other black people like not, and then you

(01:12:30):
were to say, okay, but the reason why a lot
of these black people support this is because of their
black identity and the fact that their black identity is
played on by you know, politicians who are going, wasn't
slavery so bad?

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
And wasn't this so bad?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
It's like, yeah, I don't. That's not like, actually that
controversial to say. It's just like, well, yeah, obviously that's
the game we're in, is trying to convince them that
this play on your identity is bullshit now that being said,
But a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Of nineties it was controversial to say those things, and
now I think, I mean it might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Look, I guess I guess when I say it's controversial, Yeah,
it's probably still controversial to say these things in some groups,
I guess. More. My point was that's probably nothing that
me or Tucker or anyone else would disagree with. Is
more of my I'm saying that that's not really that's
not what separates him from what any of the rest
of us are saying. It's not something Scott Horton or

(01:13:23):
even Ron Paul or Pap Buchanan would disagree with, right, So, like,
there're these things that it's almost like I feel, look,
I'm look, I'm trying to be fair. I think I've
been about as fair to Nick fuente as as anyone
can be in at least in my position, and maybe
not ass but I.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Think I think you've been more fair to him than
he's been to you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I sure, but first off, I think that's certainly true.
But I assume I've been more than reasonably fair to
Nick Fuentez. But I also feel like there's this thing
where like people are almost like this, like it's like, oh, look,
you're sucking up to him now, and it's like, no,
I'm actually not. And I actually don't give a fuck
if the papers are on my side or not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
On my side.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
I've had a mixed relationship. Some of them have been
very cool, some of them not. I don't give a shit. Really,
I got enough of everything in my Twitter replies. There's
people loving me and hating me more than I can
possibly handle already. But no, I just don't think, like again,
I don't think he's added some new element here. I
think in a way, this all gets very convoluted. Like again,

(01:14:24):
it wouldn't be controversial to any of us to say
that of course black identity is a big part of
why black people supported Black Lives Matter, But at the
same point in time, that doesn't like actually mean, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
The element that Nick adds, I think is that, for example,
what just happened at the Heritage Foundation where Bro came
out and supported Tucker Carlson and then there's this huge
backlash and this list of demands is made, and that
list of demands is basically like no, no, no, no, no, like,

(01:14:58):
not only do you need to apologize, but you need like,
like you need to have that apology written by our
anti Semitism department, and that anti Semitism department is like
basically staffed by a bunch of Jewish people that are
part like and then we're gonna have uh Shabbat dinners
that we're gonna vet everyone that comes through this agency
with Shabbat dinners. It's it's like it's like there's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Certainly they're certainly handing him a lot of wins, but
I guess it comes no, no, let.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Me finish the argument. Let me finish the argument that
that's the argument. So that's one example, and then the
other example is mom, Donnie just gets elected, right and
if you look at the donors, the massive flood, like
over forty million dollars of money feeds into Mom into Cuomo,
into Andrew Cuomo, and a lot of this is from
Republican but not all Republican Jewish people, but the top
ten donors, nine out of ten of them are Jewish billionaires.

(01:15:45):
And so it's like that those are just kind of
factual information and and like take it as you will,
but I think that the element that Nick Fuente's adds
is that we need to have a solution to this.
And I think and I'm not speaking for Nick Fuente's,
this is just my impression, is that I think he
adds an elm of we need to have a national
conversation that addresses that and does something about it. And
that doesn't mean that he's saying to like deport everyone,

(01:16:06):
and I'm not saying to deport Jews or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
But I guess I guess it's just when again, what
I'm hearing again here is that you go, look how
many Jews there are in this like disproportionately in this world,
and we need to have a national conversation about this,
and like, oh, sure, Like I'm not arguing with any
of that, But it does become this thing where it's like,
I'm just trying to pin down exactly what the argument
is because the truth is that and you know, again

(01:16:32):
this will be for the people who are just using
circular logic, and I know there will be some of
them who listen who will just disagree with me, going
look at Dave, the Jew.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Of course Jew is trying. You know, it's like this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
That's a tire.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
That's the point you're making it totally.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Listen, I'm just saying, well, hold on, there's a lot
of really low IQ shit that just for you guys
spreading it. Also, Nick and Ian both look down at
you for how low IQ this shit is. But go, hey, Clint,
you know, in our whole philosophy, there's a wildly disproportionate
amount of Jews who shaped the whole goddamn thing. There's
a whole disproportionate amount of Jew Ludwig Bond Misus and

(01:17:07):
fucking Murray Rothbard and all these guys were like incredible
fucking figures. And by the way, oh my god, if
you look at the anti Zionist movement, there's a disproportionate
amount of Jews who are leading the cause in that
and oh, by the way, if you look at the
people who have platformed Nick Fuentes and then the people
who have funded or been partners or like, if you

(01:17:27):
want to start going through this like, oh, Tucker's got
a Jewish what that's not that's not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Finish.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Yeah, yeah, but let me just finish my point.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
He's not talking about your argument. He's talking about the fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I'm saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
The fact is that this is if you go, oh,
there's all these disproportionate Jews in this, It's like, yeah,
but there's also in this whole other counter movement, and
it just again it's just like it. It becomes like
this thing where it's almost like leftist logic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
It's it's talking about how I think.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Then I think I can break this down into a
less controversial way of looking at it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I am very deeply even a controversial I just want
to get very very specific conversation about this. Than sure,
let's have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Let me let me make it concise, because this is
this is my concern, and this is what I do
share with the funta's audience, is that I'm deeply concerned
about basically predation against the American people from the ruling elite,
be they any any fucking flavor variety under the sun.
I'm very I'm very disconcerted by that. And I think

(01:18:32):
that there there is obviously allegiance and also blackmail and
also acquisition of our politicians not just from Israel, but
from a lot of foreign nations, but a lot from
fucking Israel.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Let's just be clear about that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
And it's yeah, I mean there's also a lot from
like other Middle Eastern nations as well too.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
That they keep screaming about Tucker Catarlson. They're right, I
don't like the fucking guitar connection to governments.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Well, well, putting that on Tucker is bullshit, and even
putting it on and even putting on a Katar is bullshit.
But I will say, if anyone wants to go fucking
read Scott Horton's goddamn book, The whole goddamn invasion of
Yemen from fucking twenty fifteen to twenty twenty one was
all because of Saudi influence. It really didn't have fucking
at least didn't have much to do with Israel. And

(01:19:19):
I mean there's and the fucking war in Afghanistan really
didn't have that much to do with Israel either. It's
just that the racks Aria, Libya, Somalia. Fucking yeah, those
those ones all really did.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
But also our relationship to Qatar. The people that are
screaming about the relationship to Quitar, like Laura Lumer, the
reason that they have that fucking bass there is because
it's a great forward operating bass to threaten Iran. That's
the reason that we have such a great relationships.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Right, right, and even right and even this whole fucking
military bass that they said isn't going to be a
military bass, which is not. Whatever the hell the latest
thing over here is that was all a fucking ma
cup for Israel attack and from bomb and guitar and
then and then Trump feeling like he has to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
So yes, this is all true.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I'm just saying that, like, look, I guess this is
my point, Like it seems like, look when I'm on
you know, I was just on Pierce Morgan arguing with someone,
you know, Seth Dylan about this stuff, and then I
was on Uh, I had Tucker Carlson on my show,
and in those shows, I'm I really it was just
defending Fuantes and going like fuck him, fuck you, you

(01:20:29):
know what I mean, Like like Seth Dylan goes like, oh,
he's a terrible person, and I go, I know, but
you're worst because you support Israel, you know, Like that
was just my whole attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
And then you know, the whole thing with Tucker. I
was like, well, who's who's gonna tell.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Me I should cancel the thinking point that Ben Shapiro,
you know, and I don't think the truth is I
think Nick's a real talented guy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
I think he's actually a good dude.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Is kind of the that's the read I get, okay,
but if you're gonna say, hey, he's he's woken me
up to the fact that or not woken me up.
But like he convinced me that maybe I shouldn't just
say it's Israel and Israel lobby, I should say it's
the Jews or something.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
That is not what I mean at all?

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Can sure?

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I need I need to clarify that, because that's superna.
What I'm saying is that foreign influence is a problem, right,
and foreign influence with money is a problem and divorcing
and so like if that was Chinese people, or it
was Katari people or it was Egyptian people, that would
be obvious, and we would want them to we would
want all of that money registered. But Jewish Americans, because

(01:21:28):
the Jewish people are a diaspora people, they hold a
special place where there's a lot of American money quote
unquote that is Jewish billionaire money that is clearly Israeli influence.
It is obviously Israeli influence, and we all know it's
Israeli influence. And Miriam, like Miriam Adelson is not an
American citizen and so we know that, like that that's
kind of weird. But but there's a bar Bill Lackman,

(01:21:49):
Larry Ellison, like the list is enormous, and all of
these donors to Cuomo's campaign that are donating to Cuomo's campaign, Like, yeah,
you could like in that case, you could maybe make
the argument that they're concerned for New York is about
their American life in New York, right, But but ultimately,
like I think that America's growing realization is that way

(01:22:10):
too much of that is not about American interest.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
At all, and answer that, but that I completely agree with, And.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
The uncomfortable part of that question that is new that
fwents is the one broaching is that that that forces
us to confront the Jewish identity specifically because of the
diaspora and where and I don't know where you put
the line in terms of what how do you regulate that?
Because but it always be complicated.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
So but up until you got to the point where
you said the Fuente's part of that is questioning the
Jewish diaspora, I'm not actually sure what part of that
any of us would disagree with, Like, no, I don't
think but but again, so I'm just asking what because
because this is what I'm trying to get down to,
so quint for the entire time me and you have
been in this camp that we've been in, we all

(01:22:54):
would have said exactly that up up until the but
Frentis's contribution is telling us about the Jewish diaspora. So
I'm just asking what exactly is that because because look,
here's my point, right, yes, we would completely agree with
all of that. We would also point out that there's
lots of people who are not Jewish who seem to
have every bit as much of a of a crazy,

(01:23:15):
you know, devotion to Israel. And then there's also a
whole one out of his mind, right, we could the
list could go on and on and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
On and on military operation that they've been orchestrating for.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Right now, you're going to get into a thing where
it's like, okay, you can't say only one side as
agency on the other side doesn't have agency.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
It's incredibly mixed up and intertwined. And in fact, there's
all types of people who you could easily say were
the bosses of the Jews who went along with it
for their own reasons, And like, was was Dick Cheney
really the Was he tricked by the Jewish neo cons?
Or did he use the Jewish neo cons to get
his Halliburton guys back who he had lost billions of

(01:23:56):
dollars for more? But my point is just this, Okay,
when you get down this, this is the thing that
I guess is a little bit frustrating. So see if
this makes sense to me. I'll try to keep this
as brief as possible. But you know, Clint, when I
go I was saying on my show the other day
that you know, the socialists will say, hey, what do
you mean we can't afford all this bullshit? We could

(01:24:18):
afford all these wars and then like that is kind
of a good response to a war hawk, you know,
but to anyone else you'd go, no, we couldn't have
afforded that either, right, so, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
We have negative thirty eight trillion dollars. You fucking imbecile.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Yeah, right, so I guess you owned that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
But it's like if you're if you came to your
wife and you went, you charged a whole bunch of
shit we can't afford, and then you went, I'm gonna
charge even more shit we can't afford, and then she goes,
we can't afford this, and you go, oh, you're gonna
say we can't afford this when you can't. It's like, okay,
you're anyway. My point is just kind of this, Right,
there's a thing that I saw. I saw a clip
of Fuentez the other day and it was great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
It was so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
It was response to this Ben Shapiro his last thing,
and he goes, Ben Shapiro, I got nothing to fucking
apologize to you for, because all the clips you played
of me were after I just asked this totally reasonable
question and then you fucking tried to ruin me, So
suck my Dick and I watched that and I went, yes,
I'm on Nick's side, you know, But then after you

(01:25:26):
think about it, you go, Okay, I'm on Nick's side.
But it's kind of the same thing as going oh,
you could afford this, we could afford this, Like okay, yes,
yes he was wrong. Then, but what about all the
fucking kind of like Nazi shit that you now added
to all of this, Because it's not like I just

(01:25:46):
don't you know when I hear people going like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I first was a little suspicious of this, but then
I was like, oh, this is a better way to
say it. I do go. Look, this kid has blown
up and brought He's pushed the Overton win no further
than anyone I've ever seen push it, and I've been
around some really influential people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
But the fact is that even now I think it's
better if he's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Going on Tucker Carlson's show and going like, well, look,
I don't really mean the craziest shit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I was ever saying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
It was kind of like we were being hilarious and
I was saying the craziest shit you could say. Now,
I know that's not the easiest thing, especially when you're
Nick Fuintas. That's a difficult thing to do because your
whole brand is that I'm not a bitch. These other
guys are bitches. I'm the most real motherfucker ever. And
so if you ever walk off that ledge a little bit,

(01:26:41):
it's like you're afraid you're gonna lose your whole thing.
But to some degree, you got to admit, dude, he's
painted himself into a Nazi corner. That's like, Dude, this
is going to turn off a lot of people if
you can't find a way to go okay. I don't
mean that, because that is crazy, and that that's why

(01:27:01):
I feel like, suck my dick. Fine, I don't give
a ship, but agree And we all know this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
You know, that's why I'm saying that. I agree that
it's good that that's entering into other podcasts and and
he's having to like have those conversations in moderate ways
where he really elucidates his points and hopefully like explains
them so that so that we can get on because
he's very bombastic, and he's very and he's young, and
he like you know, grew up in the Internet generation
where it's like, you know, young people just say more. Shit,

(01:27:28):
they're just way more.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
The internet was under twenty five, I would have been worse.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
I could believe that I could totally under twenty five,
so I would have been put in prison for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
The show is like, look, let's let's also be completely
fair here. And I'm sure if there is you know whatever, Okay,
so what I've said, you know, people can cut that
part and forget this part.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
But also let's keep in mind here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I mean, look at the fucking and this is the
thing which makes it almost hard to have these conversations.
And it's why I want to say this to you too,
because I wouldn't say this in other conversations. I'll say
this to you too because look, did you see the
fucking genocide twenty twenty five fest to counsel, I mean,
this was the most fucking genocidal nature conference I've had. Yeah,
this fucking retard Brandon Tatum saying I would have turned

(01:28:16):
it into a parking lot if I was Prime minister.
Give me twenty four hours. Lindsey Graham is bragging about
how they ran out of bombs, fucking Randy Fine and
all these so they're gonna say cancer, you guys are
grown fucking adults, and you've said, as you're at least
the same at the very least, well, well your fart,

(01:28:36):
well you're worst actually killed countless people. Look look, well
they're worse for a few reasons. Number one, because it's
actually happening like it is. Just look, it is a
different thing to be an edge lord young person today
and go throw all the jews in the oven. That's
a different thing than if you were living in a
world where jews are actually being thrown in ovens and

(01:28:58):
you went keep throwing off those jews in the ovens.
That's just a little bit different. It's it's a little
bit different to root for something that's actually happening than
to just kind of like, yeah, edge lord, and distinct
they're doing it while it's happening. And also they're not
his age for all the shit about fucking and when
I say his age, I mean they go back seven

(01:29:19):
years on him and pull up you know. So anyway, yes,
Nick should be a nick. Nick shouldn't be allowed back in.
Nick burst the door down. None of us are platforming him,
none of us are like accepting him back in. He won.
That's what fucking happened, Okay, so that that's just the

(01:29:39):
that's just the reality. It's not like an opinion. He won.
He was on Tucker because he won. He was on
Canvas because he won. Honestly, he wasn't on my show
because he won. I loved that he won, but I
fucking would have had him on. I had him on
my show back in the fucking day. But he did
nonetheless win. And so now the question is like, Okay,

(01:30:00):
does that mean this is is it a good thing? Well,
I'll say this. I think that there's an Overton window.
Obviously always and maybe a lot of people almost would
have taken it in a weird way. We take it
as a given that the Overton window extends to like

(01:30:21):
the neo conservatives, the neoliberals, and hopefully all the way
out here to me. Then they always wanted to say no,
you're outside the Overton window, and you're like, fuck you.
I'm reasonable and rational, so I should be inside the
Overton window.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
And then in a weird way, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Been like shattered all the way over here, and some
people who you you would have thought, well, yeah, maybe
they shouldn't be in the Overton window, are now in.
But we're in two so I'd rather be in it,
you know, like as dumb as that is, that's kind
of how I feel.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
No, No, I don't think that's dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Rather's in the Overton window. Well I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
I like I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I want to just fuck them up in argument.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Is amazing, dude, that all of us, like all we
fucking ever wanted was a fair shot. Yeah, let us
have our our shows online, let us do big debates,
let us do big things, and then we could all
see who has the better argument. Like we've never I've
never for a second thought to myself, Man, I wish
YouTube would kick Douglas Murray off, you.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Know, yeah, yeah, And like that's that's that's what I
That's why I love our side so much.

Speaker 5 (01:31:25):
That's why.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
And that's also why there's kind of this loyalty amongst
thieves thing that I have that like when I see
them going after Nick, when I see them going after
Tucker in particular, I get I get enraged in a
way that's really hard to explain. It's like it's like
Tucker Carlson for me, was like the guy who was
at least telling seventy five percent of the truth when

(01:31:47):
he was on Fox News with the biggest, the biggest
nightly news show in the fucking country, maybe in the
world at the time, and I was so appreciative of him,
and then for him to get shit canned as a
consequence of basically who knows if it was talking about
military industrial complex or farmer or whatever, but he was
just telling way too much of the truth. And then
he goes out and he goes independent, he becomes bigger
than he's ever been, and he doesn't he doesn't just

(01:32:07):
stop there. He could have just been like, I won
I'm gonna I'm gonna maintain my funding sources. He goes, not,
fuck that, I'm gonna do three hour sit downs with
Scott Horden and Dave Smith and all these other people
that are like pushing the envelope even further. And then
he goes, you know what, fuck that, I'm still not content.
Now I'm gonna have Nick Fuentes long. I love Tucker Carlson.

(01:32:27):
Tucker Carlson. Look, I know a lot of people question
his background because of his dad and blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
I don't give a fuck if he's controlled.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
If he's controlled, op God blessed Tucker Carlson and his
controlled op ass because he's he's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Improving the world so much.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
So all that shit, all that shit is like just
that that's just stupid, man. Like there's there's always if
we're ever gonna actually make a difference in this country,
like we're not a bunch of communists, you know, if
you're ever gonna make a difference in this country, it's
not gonna be all poor people who do it. Of course,
there will be some people with resources, is who you
will need to help you. And some of those people

(01:33:02):
with resources might meet people who are connected to other people,
and like obviously you know, and so even if you're
gonna say, if Tucker is a FED, then what there's
some branch of the FEDS who are trying to preach
divorce from Israel and sovereignty.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Okay, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
That's how we want.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
I hope that's the case, but I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
I can't tell you how much. I I'm pretty convinced.
I know talker pretty well. I'm pretty convinced it's not
the case. But I wish it was. I would love
to go, like, oh, one of their factions has my
back Okay, I don't think so that's not but look,
I mean, what's I think what's going on here is
that we were watching a weird thing, like there's nick

(01:33:51):
going on, Tucker Carlson. I said this on my podcast
the day afterwards. It was almost much bigger than what
anything that was said in the conversation. The thing that happened,
it was a moment that was there's okay, you remember
how up until Donald Trump won the election in twenty
twenty four, the media still tried to pretend that they

(01:34:16):
were the mainstream and like Joe Rogan was the alternative,
you know, and then it was like as soon as
that election happened, it was like they all started going,
we need to find our own Joe Rogan. But just
like a month earlier, they would have been like the
fringe Joe Rogan. But then they had to admit it.
It was almost like something like, oh, you have to
admit it now, like it's even though it was already real,

(01:34:38):
it had been real for years before that, but you
just now you have to admit it. And they what
they had to admit was that they don't control the
conversation anymore. And you know, the Rogan getting it was
admitting that they don't control the conversation about wokeism and
COVID and left.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
But but.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Nick Fuen says, getting it was that they don't own
the conversation on Israel and the Jews and that this
so now you're watching the freak out about that happen.
So that part, I think is very good. Like that
that is, that is a necessary part. But I also
do think that much like you know, I'm blanking on
the name of the book, Clint, but Ludwig von Misis

(01:35:25):
wrote a book about the rise of the fucking Nazis
and how there was basically like and look, I'm not
trying to like say fucking Nixon not That's not what
I'm saying. But the point of the book was that
there was this super like the socialism rose up and
then everyone went, oh shit, that's the problem, and then
the fucking fascism rose up, and it's like there still
is a point that like we should celebrate when this

(01:35:48):
is breaking down, we should always also try to make
sure that what replaces it is something that is legitimately positive, rational, moral,
something not not something that's unreasonable, not something that lets
any group off the hook. But also something that doesn't
lead to persecuting good people.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Can I actually speak as a young person? Can I
speak as a young person watching this happen as like
the new guy on the scene that generally is usually
the dumbest person in the room and has the most
to learn from everyone else that's been here and is
more studied and has a lot more experience. For me,
it's really beneficial and really exciting. And I think that
I probably speak for a lot of Americans to have

(01:36:29):
Nick has kicked that door down and now that conversation
is in the mainstream in a different way, and that
you eluciated better than I am. And and I think
that what's so scary to the establishment that is on
the the other like the Zionist team, and so exciting
for the American people is that I want to watch
all of the experts, like the older, more wise people,

(01:36:50):
like yourself, like Tucker Carlson, like all of these folks
have that conversation so that it can be moderated in
a way that will the mixture of ideas will have
a more open, free environment in order to sort of
release the tension and to have a rational conclusion that
that we need to end up in a place where
we're not persecuting innocent people and we're not identity group

(01:37:13):
being entire groups of people because it's so easy for this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
That's such great there, that's such a great point. But
so I'll say this, I think this is one of
the things that really should change going forward. And I
think in a weird way, there's been you know whatever,
Look like now that now that Nick Foints has gone
on Talker Carlson Show, and we're all still here, you
know what I mean, Like, and now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
We're going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
And then even though Mark Levin screamed they must be canceled,
he actually has no means by which to do that,
I hope not. So now that we're here, I'll say
this and this is like that again, this should be
almost the most reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Statement to make.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
But you know how, and I know a lot of
people on the right have noticed this, right, you know how,
people like Ben Shapiro and even Charlie Kirk, God bless
his soul, and people you know a lot of other people.
I guess Denesh Desuza was one of the ones who
debated Nick Fointez, but a lot of other people on
the right wing who are kind of known for debating
people would go, I'm not going to debate Nick Fuentes

(01:38:18):
because he's too far over the line. But then they
would debate a maoist and an abortionist and of this,
and you would just go like by what, Like, how
is it possible that, by your own worldview you would
judge this to be more out of that at the
very least, you go, no, we're not doing that anymore.
What we should be looking to do. Look, if I

(01:38:40):
will sit down and have which I have done several times,
if I will sit down and have a reasonable argument,
like gentlemen, with somebody who's advocating that Israel should finish
the job in Gaza, then I can sit down and advocate,
or sit down and have a conversation with someone advocating

(01:39:02):
that the Jews get deported from America. Like look, even
like if you were saying citizens like me and my
family have to be forcefully deported, I'm very against that
and i'd fight you to the death if you tried
to make that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
But that's actually not as fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Like if you were telling me I could leave with
all my resources in my family, that's not as fucked
up as saying Israel should finish the job. Yeah, So, like,
and I've been saying this, This is like a consistent
theme of mine for like fifteen years now that I've
been saying, like, let's rethink what the regime's hierarchy of
moral outrages is. And I think that all of these

(01:39:39):
what should happen going forward? Well, yes, yes, and even
if it's state sponsored or state enforced. But I think
what should happen going forward is that all of these
questions where it goes like, you know, is it the
Jews or is it the Israel lobby? Is it this?

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
Or is it that? That?

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Is is nick too far as the I think we
should have have more and more debates about this, more
and more conversations about this. I think that you know
what I mean, Like, I think we should always be
working to refine what we're trying to do here, and
I will you know, Look, I'm just firmly on Tucker
Carlson's side of this, where I'm always gonna air on
the side of like, I am an individualist who believes

(01:40:23):
in God and believes in like the value of all people,
and I believe in like I'm against violence and against
cruelty or I'm against the initiation of violence. I'm fine
with defensive violence and like. But but I think all
of these things we should have many more discussions about,
and we should just decide, now that we have all
the fucking juice, we should just decide that'd be good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Yeah, that's the new rule now, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
We can talk about all these things, and honestly, even
just the three of us have a lot of power
in that world. It's fucking weird, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
It's weird for you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Ian, fucking it's weird. It's weird to be me. I'm
sure it's really weird to be you. I know it's
weird to be you, Clint. But isn't it Isn't it crazy?
Are there are running.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
A mortgage company five years ago and playing all day
and now I do like I do like fucking fifty
million impressions across social media.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
You know, it's weird, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
And I thought, I don't mean I swear to God,
I don't mean this to just be like like I'm
just bragging or talking about myself, because it's really nothing
like that impressive. I think I've had some like pretty
good showings over the last couple of years. But I
was on Stephen Crowder show like a week ago. I
don't know if any of you guys saw this, but
it was the dumbest fucking waste of my time ever.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Like it was just worked hard, yeah, you know, but
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Someone just told me. A friend of mine just was like, dude,
do you look at the comments on that? And I
went on his YouTube channel and the comments are like,
I mean, dude, it's worse than what Douglas Murray got.
It is go look at the YouTube video. It's on
his channel. It's a Stephen own audience, his own on Dude,
I got like, I mean, I've had a good couple
of years, but I got like four hundred and fifty

(01:41:58):
thousand subscribers on YouTube. He's got like six million, Like
he's so much bigger than me. But like, I know
you've probably experienced this ian Like there might be someone
with five million followers who's been around for twenty years
and you've got like a million something and you've been
around for like a few years, but you're so much
more relevant than them that like the audience is just

(01:42:20):
and there's a weird thing that's happening where it's like
no one's buying into that old well, like we trying
to set the tone going Forllow.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
Absolutely it's.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Got I got quote tweeted by Will Chamberlain and James
Lindsay and you go into their replies and I'm like,
this is their replies. I'm just retweeting them. I'm not
even fucking countering it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
I'm just retweeting it and letting my followers see what
they have to say. And my followers are just like,
You're like, he's obviously telling the truth, Like there's no
there is literally everything I said in that rant, just
because I open it up with a Nick Fuentes rant.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
But everything I say is like, you have this is
a mandate. You have to put this country first. If
you don't, you will lose. It's like the these are
impossible points to disagree with. You cannot contend with this.
This is such a given argument that like, if you
were to run this to ninety five percent of Americans,
they're going to go, I love this guy.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
I agree with every word.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
But they they hate it because they realized that the
connotation is that they're they're, you know, golden goose their
relationship with Israel, and there's eye in his cause dies
as a consequence of that mentality, and it's like, it's
just it's unbelievable the shift in the landscape. But I
just wanted to go back really quick to the point
that I was trying to get to, is that what

(01:43:32):
they did to Tucker Carlson is exactly what they did
to Charlie Kirk over the past two years. But like
try like condensed into a month or two period and
Charlie public square. Yeah, and Charlie had it super in
the public square. Charlie had it more in private over
two year period where it was like threats behind the
scenes and this and that. And I think Tucker's not
really in that position where he has these funding sources

(01:43:54):
that get to pressure him so aggressively, so he's just
like he's kind of detached, he's on social media. He
doesn't feel it the same way. So they had to
do it in a really public fashion. But what you
had at that event is a sitting senator, a sitting
congressman basically running a foreign influence operation against the top
right wing commentator in America. And these guys are funded

(01:44:15):
to the tune of an insane amount of money from
what I believe is a foreign lobby which ought to
be registered on ut A far which it is not,
which is a pack or the RJC or whatever it's called.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
It's like, these guys are.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
Running in intelligence operations against Americans, against like the most
beloved commentator on the right wing, and we just lost
one of our top five beloved commentators on the right
wing by assassination six weeks ago, and they're calling him
the same things, but even more aggressively and even worse.
And it's just like, I, look, I think we're winning.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
I'll be very clear about that, but I am deeply
disturbed at the audacity, the nature of that operation, the
brazenness with which they ran it. It's fucking gross.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Man are most important point, because it's the difference in
this conversation is that we are dealing with an adversarial
nation who sees it as an existential threat if this
conversation is lost, and might be willing to do literally
anything to stop that from happening. Some of them, not
all of them, but definitely some of the leadership in
the Likud party, and we like they just multiplied their

(01:45:20):
propaganda budget by twenty x right, that is an insane multiplier,
and we are seeing the outcomes of that on our
social media, in our conversations, in our politics. And so
there's Algoriz right like, and so we're in the middle,
like all of us are in the middle of this
crazy situation where we're trying to be regular American people
having conversations in our free speech environment. But the ultimate
nature of the reality is that we are on a

(01:45:42):
battlefield against a military state that is attacking us with
military means, like intelligence operations means. And I cannot help
but suspect, like deeply at this point, I'm well over
ninety percent suspect that Charlie Kirk was a casualty of
that exact operation. And that is like that that is warfare.
That is that is the kind of thing that we

(01:46:02):
should be expecting our government and our leadership to stand
up to that as though it was warfare.

Speaker 4 (01:46:08):
And it's so much worse though, because if you're right, Ian,
this guy was their fucking friend, dude exactly like one
of their best guys.

Speaker 5 (01:46:16):
And I mean that that's what makes it so dark.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
If Cash Betel and Dan Bongino in their position at
the head of the FBI. If they are actively covering
this up, which by the way, it looks like they're
not really digging.

Speaker 5 (01:46:26):
I mean the fact that he he.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
Goes after Joe Kent and uh because like they're actively
covering the digging up. They're putting the dirt back in.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
The holesible right, almost as fast as they covered up
the fucking the side of the murder.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Yeah. But I I remember when when they were campaigning
and Cash Battel promised me that they would get Chauncey
Billups and I was like, all right, all right, if
this guy's if this guy's going to guarantee they'll bring
Chauncey Billups to justice, then we definitely got to vote
for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
Look, the most important, the most pressing thing in this
country is is uh point shaving in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Well right, literally, that's what they're people throwing sandwiches at
cops or whatever. I think that there's you know, look,
it doesn't change my percentage of how much I believe
Charlie was a part of this, but it makes me
one hundred percent convinced that at the least that's what
they're using. They're rallying with that. But again, you just

(01:47:25):
you got to look at this this stuff dispassionately and go, well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
Look, I'm not good at that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Well look, even if Israel had nothing to do with
the Charlie Kirk assassination, you know, it's like in the
same way that the nine to eleven truthers and not
saying that this proves that they're wrong, but they used
to always look at that document in the Project for
a New American Century where they said we'll never get
our war plans done short of another Vietnam style attack
or Pearl Harbor style attack, and so you go, okay, yes,

(01:47:53):
that's that's true that they said that. But look, even
if they had nothing to do with nine to eleven,
you could still see where all those people when they
got that attack, went oh shit, here's the So if
you imagine Israel is just getting destroyed in this pr game,
and then Charlie Kirk dies, and so then all of
them try to jump on it very sloppily, like I'm

(01:48:14):
not saying this, but maybe maybe they weren't part of it.
Maybe they weren't a part of it, but either even
if they weren't, they're all jumping on this now. And
so now there's this moment, right, Like you said, one
of our top five you know guys gets taken out,
and now there's this huge thing of all these people
are blaming Israel for it, and then all the oh
my god, is this just gonna reinforce the people who

(01:48:35):
are against Israel or cant and Yahu use this to
reinforce you know, Hey, he was one of our guys,
so you gotta support him. But at least what we
know is happening right now, is that what are they Look,
I think, who are the top three right wing fucking
people in America? I think it's and Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:48:56):
Yeah, I think I think that's the three.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
I think it's Tucker, Candice and Nick. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe maybe, but I think that's it, right, And so
what are they saying. They're saying, cancel the three biggest guys.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
Yeah, I don't know what they're saying. Cancel that higher
audience that watch it, yeah, ancel right, cancel all of
tpusa's audience.

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
Well, and they're trying to cancel fucking Matt Walsh and
Megan Kelly and anybody who won't disavow the top.

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Three even right right, like if you even I mean like, look,
I'm just saying those are the top three guys who
are really after But if you looked at like the
top twenty guys, like almost maybe like three of them
are hardcore on the zion A side, and then a
bunch of them are like ambivalent or at least But
but look, this is this has become the issue, and

(01:49:43):
it's a thing that people can't deny. You know. I had,
like I said earlier, I had a long post about
how this is the whole thing that is like, this
is the whole thing that's tearing up the GOP and
tearing up the MAGA coalition. But you just like at
a certain point you can't kind of deny that. So
they're look, they're clearly they're they're trying to you know,
as they get more and more desperate. The language, like

(01:50:06):
I said, that whole conference was like genocidal in nature.
And what you didn't mention is the Josh Hammer fucking
line in that article for the Daily Mail.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Was I forgot about that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I remember that was that was that was wild to
me that it was the it was the conclusion. It
was the last line in an article about Charlie Kirk
and how he would have felt about this, and after all,
like all of these guys just literally like you, you
were talking about Jack Posabiak and all them, all the
guys who are on the Zioni side are going. It

(01:50:40):
was the left who killed Charlie Kirk. No more questions
to be asked. We know it was the left, and
we know the reason is because the rhetoric is so
out of control, and they call everybody Nazis. And then
they just turned right around and started calling the most
popular right wingers, all the most popular right wingers Nazis.
Like you can't even write this in a fucking like
so opera, dude. So it's too wild that that's what

(01:51:02):
we just watched over the last week.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
It's so it's so unbelievably desperate, but it's also very dangerous.
And look, I understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
It's not dangerous, it's intentionally dangerous. Look at very least
it's not at the very least here right, this is
where I'll go as the day walker of half fucking
not let me say this is where I'll meet you.
That's not no, I'm sorry, that's not just reckless. Look, man, like,
I I know enough about this fucking business to know

(01:51:32):
that for Josh Hammer to write that in an article
about Charlie Kirk, he not only thought about that, his
editor thought about that, the publication thought about that. They
all made the decision they are intentionally and then with
that whole God, I mean, look at the rhetoric of
of Mark Levin and literally look at that. It would

(01:51:53):
be like not just and look, hold on, Sorry, this
is what I'm giving Nick foint credit or okay, what
I really gave him credit for. And this I'll fight
with him forever. I don't care if he ends up
hating me and the groy Pers end up hating me,
but I will give Nick foint As credit for the
rest of my life for in the immediate aftermath of
Charlie Kirk's death, getting all the right tones and just

(01:52:16):
saying the right thing and going I disavow violence, and
to think about how he's been even when he came
on my show, when he came on Tucker's show. I'm
not trying to say he's moderating, because I don't want
to like make it sound like I'm making him sound
like a bitch. But he said very reasonable things when
we asked him about some of these questions and then

(01:52:37):
to hear the way Mark Levin and Randy Fine, and
and and Lindsey Graham are talking about we killed all
the right people, we ran out of bombs, you're all Nazis,
you're all this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
Fuck that dude.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
Those guys are intentionally playing with fire in the most
volatile time, and they're hoping for violence to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:52:58):
But this, this is the point that I wanted to make,
is that sorry, I just.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Needed to win that street cred back over.

Speaker 3 (01:53:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:53:03):
Fine, it's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
But that's the point I'm trying to make, is that
it's not I don't really give a fuck what Mark
Levin says. He's basically irrelevant. And I certainly don't give
a fuck what Josh Hammer says, He's totally irrelevant. What
I do care about is you have elected representatives, Ted Cruz,
Randy Fine, Lindsey Graham, a handful of others that are
coming out and they're saying the same rhetoric about basically,

(01:53:26):
you know, not just funts, but like by contagion effect,
Tucker Carlson. And it's like, oh yeah, like I what
I see, what I see happening is a legitimate foreign
intelligent intelligence operation being randomestically, not by bought and paid
for commentators. That would be one thing. I'm talking about

(01:53:47):
our fucking elected representatives. I just I feel like I
say this and people don't actually process how serious what
I'm saying is this is fucking treason, Like this is
like the biggest thing you can do, and they're doing
it to Tucker Carlson basically like the jewel of the
right wing's eye. It's unbelievable the audacity with which they're functioning.

(01:54:07):
And just to get to one other point, because I've
been very patient, I'm letting everybody do their monologues. When
you're saying, just because they're covering up the Charlie Kirk
case doesn't mean that they were involved. Just because they're
like not digging the way that they should doesn't imply
that they're, you know, not interested in justice. It just
means that they're very concerned about losing the pro Israel argument. Well,
I'll tell you how you actually fucking do that. You

(01:54:28):
be transparent. You give me footage of Tyler in the
pro position taking that shot. They're doing everything in their
power not to give me the fucking truth. They're giving
me everything in their power not to give me the answers.
And then and then when I go, hey, I think
you're covering up, they go, what do you hate Jews?
And it's like, no, bitch, I think you fucking murdered
a guy I knew. And I'm really upset about it.

(01:54:50):
So sorry for the right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
Probably more than half of America thinks that too.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Yeah, dude, it's really it's really bad. Just be transparent, man,
Like I'm looking, I do not. I keep rep eating
this over and over again. I don't want to live
in a country where political assassinations happen and we don't
get justice.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
It almost happened with Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
No one gives a fuck that kid got clapped, and
it's like, and I have no idea what actually happened there,
We have no communications.

Speaker 5 (01:55:12):
I mean, it's crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Well, in a way, isn't that the craziest thing, right,
that like this happened to Trump? And there was something
I know I felt this. I'm sure you guys did too.
But wasn't there like a thing almost like when Charlie
got killed that like you were like, oh, yeah, you
almost realized how real what happened to Trump was? Because
there is something about it, like when it happens to
Trump and he just catches it in the ear, and
then it's like a funny meme almost in a way,

(01:55:36):
like oh, he stood up and he was like fuck yeah,
Oh it wasn't that so badass. But then you see
like the difference between getting nicked in the fucking ear
and getting nicked to its jugular and fucking wow, that fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
That, you know, and very differently.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Yeah, man, I mean I think you know again, man,
And I gotta say, I think I think Trump the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
That's like even as we were talking about before, like
you know, we were saying, like there's not the government,
there's not even the deep state, there's not even the CIA,
there's not you know, there's like all these different groups
and probably we'll never get to the bottom of exactly
who's who and who's what, So we got to put
them into like things that we can understand. But the

(01:56:23):
truth is that there's a whole bunch of our deep state,
the deep state of the United States of America and
the deep state of Israel are deeply intertwined.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Absolutely, you know, and they're and and I think it's
Alex Jones as globalist is essentially that just.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Yes or but but he just never really, he never
hit the nail on the head, you know. That was
That's my beef with Alex Jones. It's not even like
all the it's that he always through the well through
the time when it mattered the most. What he always
led people to be leave was that the real action
was in the EU and the fucking Buildeberg group and

(01:57:07):
the you know, the Council on Foreign Relations when actually
and there was action there, but the real action was
the Clean Break and he just never like you know,
really jumped on that and got that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
But now I think he's better on it. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
But the thing is that everything is so intertwined that
it's essentially because even all those guys, like most of
the Clean Breakers were also with the NATO expansion as shit.
And also you know, there's like all these different factors.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
But that group.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Is they're jumping on this right now, and they're really, look,
we're we're running a brand new experiment where they there's
the propaganda apparatus is broken, and then they're still trying
to govern it in the same way, and we really
don't know exactly how this game works. And so right now,
you know, it's it's it is scary in a way,

(01:58:00):
but it also kind of it feels like these like
dying gasps. Yeah, you know, like it's there's something about
like when you when you see Mark Levin going you
don't think we'll cancer you, we canceled pap you cannon. Well,
you're right, and you're just sitting there. He even dude,
he said, he said to me on Twitter, I'll never

(01:58:20):
have Dave on when I challenge him to the baby
and I go, fuck you, faggot.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
I don't care whether you have me on the largest
audience years now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
Now, look, you know, because you ratio someone on Twitter,
that doesn't prove everything, but it does seem to because
but because the Steven crowd's comments, all being with me
doesn't say everything or whatever, but all these things like
it does, it does seem to point in a direction
where you're like, I know you're saying that, but I
don't actually think that Mark Levin has some kill switch

(01:58:53):
and is going to be able to have all of us,
you know, taken out. I don't think he's going to
be able to get elon Musk or or even Facebook
or whoever does start censoring again. It's like they're desperate,
and I actually think I think they're at least losing
the conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Well, I'll say hopefully, I'm hopefully I'm right about it. No,
I think I think you are right. I think you're right.
But I and I don't think Mark Levin has a
kill switch. I think Larry Ellison does you know, like
like there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Are there are there are tears why he bought TikTok
were trying?

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
Yeah, but but doesn't it look to you guys? Okay, look, look, forget,
there's obviously a lot of ship that we don't know,
and we all speculate about this, like, look, the truth
is and I'll be honest about this, right, we even
everything the three of us know, we don't completely understand
how the fuck Israel has so much goddamn control over

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this country.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Like what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Is it just the blackmail? Because come on, motherfucker, And.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Yes, I swear to God, I think it must be
some type of spiritual for us, because like there's look,
even there's something about the fact that you have all
you have your leaders like go over and kiss their
wall and learn you, yeah, like tell you that they
they the Tammy Bruce line.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
We're the greatest country ever, I mean, besides Israel.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Like, it's just these things that are like so bizarre
and we don't even completely understand exactly why everybody falls
in line in.

Speaker 3 (02:00:27):
Yeah yeah, like this like that was the perfect example, right,
yeh yeah, yeah. What happened bro like.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
And Dan Bongino with I mean, he went from being
like like pounding the tape. He was basically like a
Nick Fuentes character, and now he's like docile as a dove.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
Dude.

Speaker 5 (02:00:43):
He's so fucking scared out of his mind it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Well okay, so look, but at the same time, it's
not exactly like. Look, I know, and I said this
on Rogan last time I was on, But I really
feel confident in saying this that when people say Israel
controls the US government, I go, that's not exactly right either,
because I will tell you from everything I've read and

(02:01:08):
everything I know, if there is one thing I'm sure of,
if net Yahoo had full control of the US government,
we would have had regime change in Iran already. I
guarantee that, I guarantee you the Twelve Day War ends
in a regime change war in Iran. If met Nyahu
gets to call all the shots, like and it doesn't

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matter if it took US twenty years and five hundred
thousand troops to do.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
It, he would he would make our money that way,
way more money.

Speaker 1 (02:01:36):
He would gladly sacrifice American lives and treasure to get
them overthrown. Okay, So, like there's a level to which
the US government can stand up to him. Now why
they can only do to that level and not do
a little bit more, you.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Know, like Charlie Kirk was a big part of that
standing up.

Speaker 1 (02:01:54):
Well, that's okay. So this is where it starts to
get interesting, is when we actually start to figure out
where is that level and what actually can we move.
And I will say this that I think this the
way that whole conversation has been moved. This wasn't part
of their plan. And they're threatening and they're squirming and
they're doing all this shit, but it's like, nah, dude,

(02:02:18):
I don't actually know that they can control this. And
a lot of these guys, the like we were saying earlier,
how Josh Hammer might be a guy, but he doesn't
even know the bigger picture.

Speaker 2 (02:02:29):
You know, he's just playing a little role.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
I think a lot of these guys like Mark Levin
and Ben Shapiro, they're also that also, and they're but
they think they're a big important guy, so they're going
im and not.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
But no one's listening anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Yep, you know, yeah, Well I just wanted to I
know we're getting late in the hours here, but I
just wanted to say, you know, I'm getting some fleck
from usually the Libertarians that fucking suck at life, so
I'm not really worried about it, but you know, they're
they're being critical of me because I am essentially defending
Nick Founts, and I am like, I'm proudly and actively

(02:03:05):
defending Nick fuant Is and I'm going to continue to
do so. I just wanted to make this point because
I think it's an important one to make Nick Fuenttes,
setting him aside, his audience matters tremendously. A bunch of
young intelligent, activated politically intelligent, and like wanting to make
a difference in this world. Young men, men that haven't

(02:03:26):
given up. There's so many fucking young men in this
country that have completely given up.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
A lot of young women too, is like, well, honestly
are watching him too.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Of course, yes, sorry, I don't want to leave all
the idea, but yeah, exactly, like it's even more important
than that. Like if you don't see and I know
this sounds opportunistic, but if you don't see the opportunity
when you know, Dave and I have been in this
for fucking ever. I've been a Ron Paulian since I
was in high school, and it's just been like I've

(02:03:53):
been in the wilderness and I suddenly see an environment
with like young, intelligent, activated, young people that are like
recognizing that they have been abused terribly by their government,
and a lot of libertarians instead of seeing that as
an incredible opportunity for us to actually make positive, you know, advancement,

(02:04:14):
they go, let's immediately distinguish ourselves from Nick Flentes and
say what a piece of shit this guy is. It's like,
it's like, oh, you guys are just dedicated to losing
into oblivion, like fuck you forever, so I'm not going.

Speaker 3 (02:04:26):
To do that.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
Well, it's also it's it's also and look, I've you
know Clint as you know, it's funny about this because
you know me and you were a part of like
the mesas Caucus and the Libertarian Party, and they've been
dealing with a year ago, so like five years ago.
One of the biggest controversies from like the Woke Libertarians
was that I had Nick Fuentes my podcast, and they

(02:04:47):
would always try to ask me about that. And there's
this weird thing where I almost think it's like it
it really is like just being blue pilled versus red pilled.
It's why that's the you know, a good analogy where
you just go, I understand you. You just kind of
take it as a given that these are where the
lines of morality are.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
But like, why the fuck shouldn't you know?

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
That was one of the things that was uh we
were talking about that the chick that Brett Cooper uh
saying that, like that's the beautiful thing what you want
to have is almost like a thing like that. We're
like a sweet young girl who's not even taken like
a provocative position, just goes like, hey, if you're obviously
more loyal to Israel than America than like go to Israel,

(02:05:33):
you know, because that would be better for you. Like
there's why why is it that that is?

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
You know, there's so many things that.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
I'm like, I'm like, Randy, fine, get the fuck out
of my country, and was like I can there.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
I guess I've I've always had a little bit. Look,
I don't like I think one of the things that's
going on with this, you know, there's like these big
rushes and floods and all these like changing things. There's
a big flood and rush on say Twitter of people

(02:06:06):
like bounting out the most goddamn hitler love and anti
Jewish shit they could say. You know, and this also enforces,
really reinforces this fear that Jews have, and it's a
weird thing where you know, like Alex Berenson, well, I
kind of went out of my way to try to
be nice to the other day.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
I'm not saying anything bad about him, but he did.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
He tweeted at me at one point after we debated,
and he wasn't happy with the response to that, but
he went people like Dave are the reason why my
daughter's Jewish school needs armed security outside of him, outside
of the gates.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
And this is the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:44):
By the way, I know almost every Jewish person as
a Jew from New York City. I know a lot
of Jewish people in New York City. Almost all of
them talk about this. There's armed security outside every synagogue
and every Jewish school and all of this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
Now, the thing that they won't tell you is that
they just hired all of them.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
Yeah, d you know it's in Miami. It's the same
thing here. It's like it's a fucking arm fortress. There's
no threats now.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Now, look, I'll never tell anyone just the nature of
who I am. I'll never tell anyone they shouldn't have
armed security outside where their kids are, you know what
I mean. Like, I'm very secure about where my kids are.
And also it is true that there is a big
rise in people who are pretty pissed off with Jews,
so like I'm not even saying that, like it's insane,

(02:07:27):
but it's just a weird thing to like use that
as like leverage. But then again, there are also this
big rise of like people who are saying and and
and as all you guys know, it's this weird dynamic
where it's like I'm not even I'm not talking about
anything you ever say, Ian or anything Nick ever says,
or even anything Myron ever says, But I'm talking about

(02:07:49):
like the there's this big rise of the.

Speaker 2 (02:07:51):
Followers of a lot of you guys rand.

Speaker 3 (02:07:56):
Who knows there was the.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Greatest guy ever it turns out and none and and
like there's and look.

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
I I do go hard, but I don't agree with
them at all.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Go ahead, well, I think there's look there there's again.
There's a lot of humor mixed step up in that too.
But also like, look, I don't think it's it's I
just think it's wrong and kind of immature and kind
of stupid. And I just don't like, actually, Hitler was
really bad, even like they're fucking it's like read read
your best Holocaust denier, which I don't even know what

(02:08:29):
that means. David Irving isn't even a Holocaust denier. He
wrote the fucking book on Gerbel's diary? Is that show
what a monster that guy at? Like it's like you
are weirdly celebrating this brutal regime which even I don't
even give a shit how many Jews you think were killed,
which were quite a lot, But forget what you think

(02:08:50):
about that. It is that it was like the most
fucked up brutal regime. It's actually as Darryl Cooper, who
everyone tries to paint as the fucking you know, the
Nazi supervisor.

Speaker 2 (02:09:01):
As he would put it, it was a fucking paranoid, schizophrenic.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
Meth head who had a fucking entire nation hostage and
just started fucking slaughtering people like indiscriminately. But look forget again,
forget the Jew, just the other people who he fucking
slaughtered like, And so there's something poisonous about this. It
is kind of like, oh, you're like becoming a devil
worshiper in your own weird way because you're so fed

(02:09:29):
up with how you.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Know, it's like reactionary cycles, right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Yes, it's it's you're you're oh, you're a part of
like some crazy Christian cult where they're like raping the
little kids.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
So you become a devil worshiper.

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Okay, you're right to be against them, but to actually
go for And I'm not saying Adolf Hitler was the devil.
I'm saying he's the closest approximation for what you could.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Find for the devil.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
There's a lot of negative shit coming out of all
of that, but the springs are like bubble up, like
there's just a thing that's happening where it's like, all right,
we're throwing off all the rules, all the templates of
what you said was acceptable, because fuck you, we've seen

(02:10:13):
what you think is acceptable, you know, and so like
that's I just think that's kind of what's going on
right now. But at the same time, I want to
be part of people going like, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna be as hardcore against that as possible. Also, why,
while not pretending that Hitler was a great guy who
you know, like, because it's the it's just stupid.

Speaker 4 (02:10:33):
The irony the irony of that though, is that accusing you, Dave,
of being responsible for security guards being outside of you know,
his daughter's school or whatever. It's actually the opposite. It's
it's his own paranoia that feeds the alt right.

Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
It's you.

Speaker 5 (02:10:49):
It's people like you that actually defuse it. And and
that's why I find so bizarre.

Speaker 4 (02:10:54):
And also I just want to point out too, the paranoid,
schizophrenic meth head that is Hitler, it is also the Zionist.

Speaker 3 (02:11:01):
I mean, the way they're they're behaving is yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (02:11:05):
I mean, i'd say comparably murderous, but certainly comparably psychopathic.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
What it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
This well, this is the.

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
Yeah, this is well, this is the thing that Tucker
Carlson was right about. That it's the same thing, and
that's the whole point. And and in a way, I
think this is what libertarians have always been right about.
You know that it's like it's it's you know, like
it's the same thing. The the idea that you're gonna
say that any group has collective guilt or or any

(02:11:36):
or that you would like lose your humanity for any
and and don't get me wrong, and I make fucked
up jokes and I've made fucked up comments and.

Speaker 2 (02:11:43):
All of that.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
But anytime anytime you do that, not a joke, not
something that's in the spirit of like making people, but
anytime that you lose humanity for other people, that's when
you've fallen into some dark spirit that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
You don't want to be a part of.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Well, I like that turns into is that when we're
in these reactionary phases, when we're in these poll shifts,
and you could look at the you know, just right
left divide in America, the trick is how do you
diffuse the tension as you let off all of the
control mechanisms right, And the I think the logic that
needs to come into the other side of the public

(02:12:18):
conversation is that if you suppose you hate Jews, suppose
you think that like the Jews are the ones running
the world, you're fully in that camp if you think
logically about it, and you take that worldview, if you
give them an excuse to start the cycle over again
to there's another Holocaust, we have to be a like
fearful again, you're just continuing the cycle of giving Jews

(02:12:41):
every reason to legitimately believe that everyone's going to come
for them.

Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
And and like you need justification for killing all of
these kids, creates the hatred which then actually jeopardizes them.
It's like this incredibly vicious cycle that no matter how
I mean, because of being a straight white guy, like
I can't say it without being accused of because I
look like Edwin Norton Americans, why not the one to

(02:13:05):
say it? Which is why I like it when Dave
says it, because it's like, all right, maybe it'll fucking
actually make an impact.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
David Tucker said it perfectly on Tucker's show just a
couple of days ago, where you guys talked about the
very legitimate fears of Jews that need to be taken
seriously even if you don't agree with the perspective of
those fears. Like that's the thing is that just because
you think you're right, just because I think I'm right,
that doesn't mean that the other person's emotional response to
their perception of reality isn't legitimate and isn't going to

(02:13:32):
have them acting from that perspective in the future.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
No, that's right. And look, I mean we all you
know whatever. It sounds like we're all being a bunch
of homos here, but we all know. But we all
know on some level, right that, like that's the case.
But also and then this has to be and it
makes it easier when you say it like that to
go like, but also that the fears and the concerns

(02:13:57):
of like Christian white straight men matter too. And that's
been the big problem with all this shit. Like I've
I've always just been a slave to consistency on this ship.
You know, Clint, me and me and you we used
to talk about this years ago where the Libertarian Party.
This is so we came in we were doing our
little thing in the Libertarian Party for a little bit,

(02:14:17):
and it was kind of like as me and Clint
were really getting our like you know, our name up
and growing and stuff, but we were also it wasn't
like anything. We were also just doing podcasts talking about
this ship. And then we were part of this Mesas
Caucus project. And I used to say, like a lot
of these libertarians and some of them were like, you know,
we came out of kind of like the paleo libertarian

(02:14:39):
Ron Paul pap Buchan and like that kind of school
Lou Rockwell style, and they came out of kind of like,
you know, a lot of this more left wing libertarian stuff.
And they would go, hey, you know, we're against racism
because that's collectivism and we find it repugnant and outrageous
to believe in bigotry or whatever. And we'd be like, yeah, okay, cool,

(02:15:02):
how about all this anti white racism that's going on
in college campuses. And then they'd like lose the circuit.
We'd be like, wait, wait, hold on, let's just be
consistent about this, like okay.

Speaker 5 (02:15:13):
White nationalists, yeah, right, Like no, actually, I'm just applying
this equally.

Speaker 1 (02:15:16):
Yeah, Like, if you're against collectivism, then what's with this
white Fragility book that I see is on the New
York Times bestsellers list and all this stuff, so like
it would be like I always kind of feel the
same way, where it's like, well, look, I don't think
it's right to have collective guilt about any race. But
at the same time, especially if you're in a Western

(02:15:41):
you know, if you're in Western civilization, like to have
that bigotry about like white Christian men is like, hey,
you're kind of living in the society they created, so like,
if you're happy here, then like that should be the
last group you're allowed to have bigotry against. And at
some point we accepted that that's the only you're a
lad to have big a dread again, it's it's so

(02:16:02):
much nutty, it's so much more sense.

Speaker 4 (02:16:04):
It's so much more dangerous than that too, because white
men in particular, but white people broadly in America had
been basically bred to be totally race blind. Like myself personally,
I was like, I was like, I have zero Like
I am I am James Lindsay's ideal. I was like,
I'm a perfectly you know, docile, don't see anything like

(02:16:26):
I'm purely an individualist. I don't judge anybody based off
their immutable characteristics. And then I spent a dozen years
being told that I'm the devil because I'm a straight
white guy. And it's like like, even as a individualist libertarian,
that still had an impact on me. I still suddenly
started to have like a thought about my race and
my gender and my whatever, my religion or whatever.

Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
Yeah, well let me tell you something. As a and
this is a very small group to be a part of,
but as a real israel hating Jew, you got. I
was completely considered a white guy in the woke movement,
and then I'm considered a Jew by the fucking right wing,

(02:17:07):
fucking movement.

Speaker 2 (02:17:09):
That's that's identitarian.

Speaker 1 (02:17:10):
And then I'm considered a self hating Jew by the
fucking Zionists in this whole movement.

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
But also.

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
It helps, dude, I'm trying so hard, but.

Speaker 1 (02:17:25):
Again, like, look all of this I gain, like and
and this is where I think there's it's not there's
not nothing to race. There's not nothing to all of this. Like,
there there is something to it. It's not a complete
coincidence that Europe is the way Europe is and Africa
is the way Africa is. And Asia is the way
Asia is, Like we are different, and there's there's nothing

(02:17:46):
wrong with like acknowledging that. But but also we have
to figure out what we're doing now going forward, you know,
And that's that's the big question here, because.

Speaker 3 (02:17:57):
What's the ideal.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
Well, I tried. I tried to get at this when
I had Nick on my podcast, and it's kind of
interesting and in a way also, you know, like when
I was saying we should keep the lines of communication open,
I think there would be something really interesting about like
a follow up podcast with me and Nick or a
follow up podcast with Tucker and Nick, because there was
something about like the first one because you know, me

(02:18:21):
and Nick, he had been talking shit about me, and
then with him and Tucker, like they had both been
talking crazy shit. So there was this thing where it
was like, hey, how's this gonna go? No one exactly
trust the other one, and we should get into some
of this stuff more. But one of the things I
tried to get into and I felt like he didn't
really want to argue, and I get that he was
also on my turf and on Tucker's turf, but like

(02:18:45):
I was like, well, hey, look, we can't go back
to nineteen sixty five and undo the fucking Immigration Act.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
Right, So what do we do now?

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
Because that was the thing that I always thought was
missing from like the alt right, you know, prescription, like well, okay,
you want to that's no state, Okay, but what till then?
And so in a way, you know, you go like, well, okay, well,
we're gonna have to find a way that we can
all relate to each other and that we can all

(02:19:13):
find like kind of an And it seems to me
that this is where I think libertarianism is kind of
the only way forward. I mean, even if, like, once
we get past all these legitimate criticisms of Israel and
even all the legitimate criticisms of Jewish identity that connects
you to supporting Israel, or all the legitimate criticisms of

(02:19:34):
black crime or black identity or Latino identity or white identity. Okay,
but what next? And this is where I think libertarians
ultimately have the answer.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
You know, what are we going to do?

Speaker 3 (02:19:46):
Is is it really going to be?

Speaker 1 (02:19:48):
You could say, me and Clint, I don't really know
enough about your actual politics, and but me and Clint
have probably both talked about like anarcho capitalism and a
world where there's like almost no government and no.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
Okay, that's probably never gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
Nick flent As, what we're talking about, Catholic theocracy, You
think that's gonna happen in the United States of America.
You're not even the Christian majority, You're the tiny Christian minority.
If even if there was going to be a Christian theocracy,
it would be a Christian Zionist theocracy before it was
a Nick flent As Catholic Mexican Catholic theocracy. Like, I

(02:20:28):
don't even know, Like, how how much do you have
to slice the groups up before you can get to
a Catholic theocracy white supremacist that also accepts part Mexicans.
You know, Like I'm just again, I'm not, but I'm
just saying, like, so, how Now, at a certain point,

(02:20:49):
trolling the fucking lib tards is awesome, Fucking enraging Ben
Shapiro is awesome. But at a certain point, if we're
actually taking over is the mainstream, where do we go
from he and I, well, I would humbly submit that
the only way to go forward is that we respect
the rights of other people as individuals.

Speaker 2 (02:21:09):
And dude, well, I would say.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
That, look, the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of
Rights of the Constitution is not perfect, but man, is
it really really good. It's still really really good today,
and that we would just go And then in a
cultural sense, we would just go, hey, why don't we
just seeing as how the Civil Rights Act wasn't ten

(02:21:38):
years ago or twenty years ago, it was sixty years ago,
And seeing as how Jews are two percent of the
population and are like one of the most successful groups,
and seeing us how all the shit, how about we
just culturally say the rules are we're all equals, and
no group is precious, no group is less than any
other group.

Speaker 2 (02:21:58):
We can all question and make fun.

Speaker 1 (02:22:00):
If Ben Shapiro can go Blacks are thirteen percent of
the population and fifty something percent of the criminals, then
someone else can go Jews are two percent of the
population and eighty percent of the mainstream media pundits or
owners or whatever, and we could all just go, all right,
let's talk about that.

Speaker 3 (02:22:19):
Yeah, no walks about it and laugh about it and
just be people about it.

Speaker 1 (02:22:23):
Right, That would be great. I think that's sam Seriously,
that is it's not the best way to go forward.
He's the only way to go forward. The only way
to go forward is to go We're gonna deal with
each other as individuals, as equals, as people, and that
will not be satisfying to so many people. That will

(02:22:46):
not be satisfying to the hardcore right wingers who are like, now,
fuck that shit. Dave's a subverse of jew who's just
trying to convince you to not hate Jews. That will
not be satisfactory to the Zionists who go no, Tucker
Carlson's hitler, that's.

Speaker 3 (02:22:59):
More thing like the left will lose it everyone and
handouts might lose it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
But all I'm saying is that that is the hill
that I'll die on.

Speaker 3 (02:23:08):
Yep, That's what I'm with you. And I would argue
that a lot of America is in that same kind
of middle, even though it seems different on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (02:23:15):
Oh yeah, for sure, And I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
I think I think half the people on Twitter saying
the worst shit would actually agree with that.

Speaker 2 (02:23:23):
I think they're almost saying the worst ship.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
Because they want to get back at the other guys
saying the worst shit.

Speaker 3 (02:23:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
Yeah, And there's a lot of there's a lot of
resentment and hatred that's been built up, particularly by young
white men who have been abused. And it's like, so
now we're gonna once again, we're going to ask the
young white men who have been abused for their entire
childhood essentially to now be the bigger person and forgive
the slights and go back to an individualist mindset. And
that's not an easy ask. So this is actually the
one part where like normally I like having Dave be

(02:23:50):
the messenger for us when especially when it comes to
anti Zionist messaging, because it coming from a Jewish person
is much easier. Well, I'll tell you what, Dave. This
is a time where Clint actually serves a role. Having
me push back against Nick Fuentes being a straight white
man may be more productive than you pushing back against
Snick Fuentes. So I just want to once again offer

(02:24:12):
Nick Fuenttes that opportunity if you'd like to have a
conversation with me. I know I'm too small time, but
maybe maybe after this conversation with these two juggernauts, it may.

Speaker 3 (02:24:21):
Change interesting conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:24:23):
Yeah, it would be a really interesting conversation, and I think.

Speaker 2 (02:24:25):
That I recommend it.

Speaker 3 (02:24:28):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (02:24:28):
If you're listening.

Speaker 4 (02:24:29):
Yeah, I'm an honest actor who's genuinely interested in putting
this country first, Americans first, sincerely, It's my passion. It's
all I care about. I could be making a lot
more money doing a lot of other things, and I'm
not because I love this and I'm serious about it.
So and I think Nick is too. I know these
two guys are a handful of others in this world

(02:24:50):
are for real, legitimate actors, and everybody else's fucking bought
and compromise and they're all pieces of fucking shit. So sorry,
I'm just telling the truth. So yeah, I hope that
that happens. We'll see.

Speaker 3 (02:25:03):
Yeah, Yeah. I think that it's important for us all
to remember and remind ourselves every day that the Internet
is a fucked up place. It lets us do a
lot of amazing things. It lets us connect in a
lot of amazing ways. But the Internet is designed to
make people hate each other, and just the impersonal nature
of it is you just will naturally be more defensive,

(02:25:23):
more aggressive, more tribal, more ready to say bombastic shit,
more ready to try to get your winning number of
likes and shit, and like cool whatever, that's a fun
video game but it's a video game, and it's important
that we all remember in America, like go to the
grocery store and look around for the evil people. Where's
all the evil people right? Where's in the movie theater?
Or we know there's no one in the movie theater

(02:25:44):
because they're fucking going bankrupt. But you know what I mean, Rogan.

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
Also just that and also just that you know, there
are these people like say that James Lindsay's of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:25:55):
Who are They're trying.

Speaker 1 (02:25:56):
To go, well, look, come on, we have this hue
huge opportunity to like, you know, do this maga thing.
But you guys are picking all these weird issues and
now it's going to ruin everything. And it's like, I
really love that Tucker said this when he was on
my show the other day. And it's the truth is
that even if like those guys are right when they're saying, hey,

(02:26:20):
there's some takes that the wildest guys on Twitter have
that just you know, your regular person who doesn't like
pay attention to any of this shit would be like
what the fuck? You know, Like, look, there's there's a
pretty strong consensus amongst the American voting electorate that we
don't like Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin. That is that

(02:26:41):
is pretty solid built in there, and like, yeah, if
you go, hey, someone said something nice about either one
of them, you'd be like, that's probably going to turn
people off. But also you're like, hey, James, the whole
shit you've married yourself to is also turning a bunch
of people off.

Speaker 2 (02:26:58):
The fucking the idea that.

Speaker 1 (02:26:59):
We're supposed to support or at Israel's destruction of Gaza,
or that we're fine with the Epstein cover up or
any of this stuff. So the thing that Tucker said,
which I think is really important for all of us
to pay attention to shit post online. As much as
you want to troll all these people all that, but
let's also keep in mind that, like, hey, we actually

(02:27:20):
are in a different position now, and that's something that
I think all of us and one of the things
that I appreciate about Nick Fuentees was that I think
he is grappling with that, especially in the wake of
Charlie Kirk's death. He's grappling with the fact that like, whoa,
I'm in a big position now of influence, and while
we are in this position, let's keep in mind what

(02:27:41):
Tucker said are if we really are just pushing the
very basic America first stuff, Like if we just said, hey,
let's just say the deal is this.

Speaker 3 (02:27:52):
You believe we.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
Shouldn't fund foreign wars of choice and be engaged in
permanent militarism and permanent a foreign conflict, and that we
shouldn't have trillion dollar pentagon budgets. What we can blow
up the world seventy thousand times already, we don't really
need to spend a trillion dollars a year on defense.
We're fine. Let's let you know if you don't believe

(02:28:14):
in that, and you don't believe in, like, say, the
idea that we should have an open border where anybody
you know, like closed borders or something approximating a reasonable
immigration policy, not fighting wars of choice, not spending ourselves
into debt. Look just what our tax revenue brings in
every year. We're the biggest government in the world. We
don't have to go into debt to have a lot

(02:28:36):
of government services. Okay, let's just say like, we're not
going to go further into debt, We're not going to
continue to debase our currency, We're not going to have
open borders, and we're not going to fight wars permanently
that we are just wars of choice.

Speaker 3 (02:28:49):
Just that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
You could get super duper majorities of the American people
to support, you know, basic things like everyone should just
be loyal to this country. If you express any loyalty
to another country, you can't hold political power. You could
be a citizen with all rights and everything like that,
but you.

Speaker 2 (02:29:08):
Can't hold political power.

Speaker 1 (02:29:10):
You can't all that.

Speaker 2 (02:29:10):
You know, these very simple things. If we just list
those out.

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
Right now, we win. You know, we're we're in deal
or no deal where they're offering you six hundred grand
and you got you know, you got, you got a
shot to either win a million or go home with nothing.
Take the six hundred grand, man, this is a great day.
We we could take that deal if we all, all
of us decided to take that deal right now. In fact,

(02:29:39):
let's like draw up of goddamn fucking agreement that all
of us agree on that every goddamn fucking influencer agrees on.
I swear to God, if we just made it those
things I was listening listing, I'll fucking do everything I
can to get Rogan and Tucker and Canvas and everyone
on board if.

Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
We destrolled that we wish of independence, Yeah, like America first.

Speaker 3 (02:30:03):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 5 (02:30:10):
Now, now, no one's gonna be now, no one's gonna
sign on. Well, look, I I agree, I agree, And
and this is why I keep.

Speaker 4 (02:30:17):
Saying that I'm going to defend Nick funt Is, because
I think that's at its core if you set aside
the ship posting the vast majority of their demands, his
audience's demands or that, you know, like that's that's what
they are so upset about them.

Speaker 5 (02:30:34):
Yeah, and it's a good start.

Speaker 4 (02:30:35):
Yeah, I'm sure there's gonna be disagreements and I and
for the record, I'm not trying to fucking get funt
as his audience. I think they're gonna hate me as
soon as they realize I'm a libertarian and I don't
believe in, you know, throwing people in prison for the
rest of their lives for drug use.

Speaker 5 (02:30:45):
They're gonna think I'm a total queer. So like that's fine.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (02:30:48):
I'm not trying to trick them or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (02:30:50):
You are, you are a Jewish subversive, that's right, exactly.
They will figure it out eventually.

Speaker 4 (02:30:56):
But I'm just saying like I see in them so
many similarities, the same way I defend MTG I have.
I don't like a lot of her economics and and
some of her other policies. I don't really agree with
it all, but like I see in her a sincere
fighter for the America first cause. Thomas Massey I don't
disagree with on basically anything, and I see in him,
so I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 (02:31:16):
To the mat for him. It's like, that is the
distinction we need to make.

Speaker 5 (02:31:19):
In my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:31:21):
Well, yeah, I think you're right, and I think that
we you know, look, Nick foint As is here. It's
it's not any of our decisions. He's here. We're It's
not like a fucking I'll allow Nick to have another
conversation with me. It's like, fucking I hope I can
get that conversation. But I don't know. It just is
what it is. I'm not I just can't pretend it's

(02:31:42):
something other than what it is. Sorry, you know, it's
my commitment to tell him the truth. And so that's
that's just that we should have more conversations. Obviously that's
the better path. But also, you know, it's not just
a matter of whatever politicians we think we agree with

(02:32:04):
on everything. It's also, look, this whole fight is over
what happens after Trump.

Speaker 3 (02:32:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:32:12):
One of the reasons I brought up earlier. I don't know,
we've been going for a while, but when I was
brought up the Stephen Crowder thing and how much his
fan base was against him on the just defend Donald
Trump thing, It's like, look, dude, Donald Trump's gonna go.
So what's next. That's what this fight's all about, right,
What's next? And I'll tell you I saw it personally.

(02:32:33):
I saw two things Fointe's did. One that I really
hated and one that I really loved. And one of
the things he did was he had a segment on
his show where he said, anyone born in America, who's
America first, you're with me, And he goes, I don't
care whether you're my enemy or whatever you've said about

(02:32:53):
me in the past. If you're for America first, if
we're on board with this program, you're with me. That
was amazing. And there was an another thing that I
saw he did where he said that JD Vance he
laid down an ultimatum and he said, if you criticize
the gropers or criticize anti Semitism. I will have ten

(02:33:15):
thousand people in Iowa. And I was like, well, that's
not the way to do it, man, Like, you shouldn't
make the ultimatum about you or the gropers or even
anti Semitism, because come on, look, as big as Nick
is now, no one's going to win the presidency, especially
if they're opposing Israel without at least saying no, I

(02:33:36):
don't hate Joos, I'm not for anti Semitaries, and no
one's going to be able to not distance themselves from
Nick's wildest takes. But I think if he really wants
to be powerful, there's a way to do that where
it's not the ultimatum isn't about that. The ultimatum is
about being America first or being Israel first.

Speaker 2 (02:33:58):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (02:33:58):
What I thought, you know, I saw this.

Speaker 2 (02:34:01):
I'll tell you guys this and I.

Speaker 1 (02:34:03):
I saw this and I sent it to Tucker and
I just texted Tucker like furious, even though it has
nothing to do with him. But that's the I just
I'm Tucker is the closest person I know to JD Vunce.
So if jad Van says something wrong, I just text
Tucker like, what the fuck is Jadi Vance doing? And
then Tucker goes, I completely agree with you, Dave, and
I go, yeah, but fuck this dude, blah.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
But I don't know if you saw.

Speaker 1 (02:34:26):
I think it was at the turning point event where
he was just trashing Thomas Massy and he goes, you
guys saw this. He goes on this whole thing where
he goes, well, Thomas mass he never votes with Donald
Trump whenever we need him, and not just sometimes, but
he never votes for Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (02:34:42):
Blah blah.

Speaker 1 (02:34:43):
You're like, oh, oh, so he doesn't compromise his principles. Sometimes,
he never compromises them at all, that's your and and
then he goes, look, politics is politics, And my immediate
thought was that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:34:57):
Politics is politics.

Speaker 1 (02:34:59):
And when I go on every goddamn big show in
this country and tell people not to vote for you,
I guess that'll be politics, motherfucker. Right Like there does
there has to be a line that we set here
where we go, look, the big battle is coming up
in twenty twenty eight and there now, Nick could move

(02:35:19):
that needle almost unlike anybody else could right now, and
it's up to him to decide what that is gonna be.
But I certainly say it should be something. It should
be something where we go, look, whoever we're gonna get behind,
you will get this entire army. And it would be
great if we could all be together that you get
fucking all of our army, Nick's army, Candace Talker, Rogan,

(02:35:44):
Theo vonn Andrew Schultz, like all these people's armies, if
you only just agree to this most reasonable of requests,
which is which is that we govern our government on
what's best on the behalf of the American people that
this foreign country that fucking or any of them to be,

(02:36:07):
because it's not just one, there's one in particular, but
any of them.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Right, So for a start, right, we'll get to the
corporations and the bank, we'll get to all that.

Speaker 1 (02:36:17):
There's a lot, there's a lot of things to get to.
But if we could just set like a few reasonable things.
So anyway, I'm not even saying that's like what the
final plan should look like, but we should all start
thinking about that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:29):
What can we do with this new opportunity that we have?

Speaker 3 (02:36:32):
You know, honestly, Dave, that's the kind of leadership we
need in this country. Is people like in your position
that had the experience and the acumen saying that kind
of thing to get the conversation going. Because now that
the Overton window is open, now the conversation has had
and we got a couple of years to figure it out.
And you're exactly right that collectively the audiences of all

(02:36:52):
these people having these conversations is like the vast majority
of America, it is.

Speaker 4 (02:36:57):
But I will I will say we control the dialogue,
like the real like cutting edge of the conversation is like,
that's what our whole our whole world is all about.
That's really where we run shit at this point. But
we do not have institutional power. We've got basically none.
And and Donald Trump appears to be completely compromised.

Speaker 5 (02:37:16):
JD. Vance is still unknown. I mean, if you're being nice,
he's unknown. We don't know for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:37:24):
So my concern over the next two years, aside from
everything else, World War III and fucking economic meltdown and
there's I've got so many fucking concerns and more political assassinations.
I have so many concerns. But my biggest concern, aside
from all that, is can we actually legitimately take the

(02:37:45):
power that we have in terms of the conversation that's
being had on the cutting edge and actually fucking save
this country. And if we can't, well, at least we tried.
But if we just, if we are just in this
to build our names, our audience are like our clicks.
Whatever I think, we will ultimately end up devouring ourselves
and not accomplish anything. And I hope and I see

(02:38:07):
a nick a sincerity that makes me think perhaps he
is seriously committed to creating a better country. And if
he is, he's got an immense power to help right now,
and I hope he will. So that's my olive branch
to his audience and to everybody else that fucking hates
me right now, because I've been backing front as, I

(02:38:27):
just want you to understand I am dedicated to trying
to fucking create a better country and a better world moreover,
but most specifically, because I am realistic. Can I actually
have a country that I can raise my children in
that is at least somewhat reflective of the country I
grew up in? And at this junction, the answer is
fuck no, I'm out of my mind to even think

(02:38:48):
that I can. But we do have the capacity to
change things, and especially you, Dave. I mean, given the
connections you've got, all these people, I mean, this is like,
this is the entire Internet essentially, like all the conversations
that matter you've been a part of. And I just
I have a lot of hope, but I think it's
gonna require us to all grow up a little bit.

(02:39:10):
And to you know, I'm not talking down to anybody.
I'm just saying, like, like we need to recognize we're
not just upstarts. I am more of an upstart than
you guys are, but like we're not just upstarts, like
we actually have power.

Speaker 1 (02:39:21):
And yeah, look and the growing up thing is and
just for Fuentes, believe me, that's for me too. And
I'm fucking forty two and I got my wife and
kids and shit.

Speaker 2 (02:39:30):
But I gotta you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:39:33):
That That's one of the things that's pretty funny. It's like, uh,
I don't know if you saw a lot of people,
which I think is so great. One of the really
interesting dynamics of the last week. I'm sure both of
you guys have seen this, but so you know, they
had this literally Genocide twenty twenty five conference where all

(02:39:53):
of them are calling for fucking genocide and then going
I'm so outraged about these guys. And then it was
like it's not like we've been doing this for a
while now, but it was almost like such a low
hanging fruit. You're like, I think we'll just go on
the offensive here and go you should be canceled. That's horrible,
you know, Like and so you just well see this
dynamic where you're like, wait, no, you're fucked up and

(02:40:15):
you're but even in all of that, the point is
that everybody should fucking grow up. It's not and you know,
and like I felt this way when I when I
had that debate with Alex Berenson, I'm like embarrassed about that,
even though.

Speaker 5 (02:40:30):
You know, it was funny.

Speaker 1 (02:40:31):
Though it was fun, but like I just there is
a certain point where you go like, look, man, we
do have to figure this out and we do have
to recognize that, like we should all be a little
bit better. I know, you know, I just know this
is a person all the time. I know this, like
this is like part of my life, like that I'll
be you know, I'll be out with my wife and
kids somewhere and someone will say something and I'll be

(02:40:53):
kind of pissed off and my wife will be like.

Speaker 2 (02:40:55):
Come on, can we and I'll go, yeah, okay, that's
all right, let me let it go, and like that's
just that's life.

Speaker 1 (02:41:01):
We should all try to be a little bit better
every day, and we all, you know, in our own worlds,
probably are trying to do that. But yeah, look, there
is something when you when you're leading an insurgency, it
is a different thing than when you take over the
capital city, right, And we are in a position where we've,

(02:41:24):
you know, at least in some metaphorical dimension, we've kind
of done that. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:41:30):
That's that Like, this is not a joke. This is
a real thing.

Speaker 1 (02:41:33):
This is like the United States of America's core of
media influence, and all of us are actually very involved
in that world. And that is something that is a
tremendous like, you know, it's amazing and it's a great opportunity,
but there is a responsibility that comes with that, and

(02:41:54):
all of us should think about that, myself as much
as anybody else.

Speaker 5 (02:41:58):
Yep, yeah, I completely agree.

Speaker 3 (02:42:00):
Well, I.

Speaker 4 (02:42:02):
Love you guys. I really appreciate all the efforts that
you guys are putting in. I think between the three
of us, we make one hell of a cogent, conspiratorial
argument about about a lot of crazy shit in the world.
So that's why I really appreciate the opportunity to have
this conversation with you guys. I mean, I'm gonna drop
your links down below, but if you guys want to

(02:42:23):
do any plugs, please feel free.

Speaker 3 (02:42:25):
My name is Ian Carrol and you can follow me
on YouTube at Ian Carroll's Show. Real honor to be
here with both of you guys, for sure, Man, I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
That I really enjoyed this. I'm sorry if I talked
for too much of the time, but I really enjoyed this.

Speaker 2 (02:42:37):
Guys. Let's let's do it again with all three of us.

Speaker 4 (02:42:40):
Yeah, dude, and next time, Funtaz, you're welcome to join
us and fucking break the internet. I think this is
already going to break the internet. So if he, if
he decides it's necessary to get in the fray with us,
I think it's gonna go fucking super ballistic. But defend
our country, our culture, our community, whatever the fuck whatever
you want to call it, constitution. I'm just thrilled that

(02:43:02):
we are making a difference, and I think that the
best has yet to come, and let's make sure we
get justice for Charlie Kirk Will we're at it. If
you guys want to follow me, I am Clinton, Clint Russell,
Liberty Lockdown, and make sure he hits the subscribe button.
Like comment down below shot outs Ian Carroll fucking constantly
shouting me out. I've got so many new followers thanks
to you, dude, So appreciate you. Dave did it and Ago, Yeah,

(02:43:24):
it's it's amazing. I've never had this many views over
the past month, and I feel like I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:43:29):
You're the man, Clint well deserved, dude, you've been doing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:31):
Clint's been one of the best guys in this space
for a while now, man or at least at least
the last five years. There's been nobody who's been any
better than Clint on all the most important issues, dude.
And I've been saying because I've known you for a
while now, Dude, whether it's the lockdowns, the vaccine, Russia Gate,
the Ukraine War, Gaza, Clint's been on top of all

(02:43:54):
the most important issues and been just great at breaking
them down. And I would say one of the few shows,
one of the few shows that I like always watch
is Liberty Lockdown.

Speaker 4 (02:44:04):
Well that's that's gonna be the new plug at the
end of every episode of my show.

Speaker 1 (02:44:09):
It gave me one hundred thousand dollars to say that
I didn't want a word of that.

Speaker 3 (02:44:13):
I never heard.

Speaker 4 (02:44:13):
I never heard of print before tonight. He's the first
time I met him. I'm going to cut that part
of the episode, so you're you're fuck Dave. Anyways, Uh yeah,
thank you guys, and please do it the subscribe button,
leave it comment down below. We said a lot that's
probably controversial. I'd love to hear from you guys, and
we'll catch you next time.

Speaker 2 (02:44:30):
Peace.

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