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Are you just starting with crystals?
Or maybe you have a whole collection but
aren't sure how to use them? Join four
crystal nerds, healers, workers, and lovers for crystal
Confab, a casual chat about all things crystals.
Hello, and welcome back to Crystal Confab. I'm
Nicholas, and I'm here to Confab about crystals
with some of my favorite humans. I'm joined
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by Ashley Lavey, Adam Berrelet, and Kyle Perez.
And this
week, we are diving deep into one of
those stones. It's been around for quite a
long time, valued for,
a good chunk of human history, but I
think is a little underappreciated
in today's crystal world. And that stone
is bloodstone.
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Historically, it's been known as heliotrope,
a name we also give to sunflowers, which
means to turn toward the sun because in
medieval lore, it was associated
with the sun and conquering things as we
might talk about later. And it's a variety
of chalcedony,
but it's it's not the only thing out
there called,
bloodstone.
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And we've got this
African bloodstone
out there as well, which is a more
translucent chalcedony with a breccia, a broken kind
of fragmentary bit of
the the reddish jasper that's in there.
Anyone else have some experience with seff tonight?
They might wanna talk about comparing and contrasting
the two.
Yeah. This is a stone that, you know,
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I think became
kind of popular on the market
maybe, like, 2017,
'20 '18. Somewhere in there is where I
really started to see it come out more,
and it started being called African bloodstone. And
then a lot of people dropped the African
and just started calling it bloodstone,
which has definitely created a bit of confusion
with our dark green chalcedony that we're so
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used to seeing with those beautiful red spots,
which is the bloodstone we're all here to
confab about today.
I do think that the African bloodstone is
really interesting.
I can see how,
at least symbolically,
some of that energy still comes through in
in similar way to what we would have
with our traditional bloodstone. You have these little
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red
sort of patches, not quite spots.
So, you know, it doesn't have that same
long historical use and lore
that our regular bloodstone has, but there are
some things about it that I think are
interesting. I found that stone to be
really, really grounding
to help me when I'm feeling scattered, and
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I think that really has to do with
that breccia. I always think of that as
being something that pulls everything together.
So that is one great way to work
with that.
But I do
want to just
really drive home with folks, and when we
were talking about this just before we started
recording, Kyle actually brought this up, that it's
not it's not exactly the same as our
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traditional bloodstone. And so if you see sort
of that gray with the more angular
red bits in it, those little breccia bits
of the red jasper,
not the same as the traditional bloodstone. It
will have a little bit different quality to
it,
but I also find that that one is
really good for dream work and dream recall,
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which I found interesting. I didn't expect because
that is something that, at least in my
experience, is vastly
a different type of quality than I would
expect from traditional bloodstone. Anybody else have experience
with that?
I really love that avenue. For me, it
has very much been a stabilizer. You can
see here, like, the jaspery redness and then
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that chalcedony
kind of
inclusioniness.
Like, it has definitely not the same stone.
I think that clarity, the softer chalcedony really
has a difference too. Like, I think that
could be where that dreaminess is coming in.
I think all
clearer chalcedonies have a really
expansive and soft quality that I find really
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nurturing. But for me, the keyword is stability.
I love it for feeling that stabilizing effect.
So that's my opinion.
With with the red dots in our true
bloodstone, how do they actually form, Nicholas?
It's just small bits of iron oxide. So,
a lot of our chalcedony is formed out
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of, to put it unscientifically,
a goo made out of
superheated silica. We would call that a colloid
or a gel.
And,
oftentimes so so as we've talked about in
the past,
things that are Jasper like aren't always actually
Jaspers,
and, also, things that we could call Jaspers
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aren't always formed in the same way as
other chalcedenes. It's it's a really big umbrella
term.
So if this should form under the same
conditions as most other true chalcedenes,
then,
essentially, it's just got,
some
some iron of a different valency in there,
which is giving us most of the green
color and then iron oxide, little concentrations of
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that in crystalline form, very small amounts which
are giving us the bright red spots. And
they probably just separate out preferentially
as that
that goo begins to harden.
And as Nicholas mentioned before, you know, it's
got a long history, this stone.
You know, many people may have heard the
myth of the the red is actually the
blood of Christ falling upon the stone and
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that type of thing. But I believe this
is a really great crystal also for helping
us to kind of venture into the past
and connect with our ancestors as well. Is
that right, Ashley?
Yeah. This is one that I love for
ancestral work. And, you know, we've discussed this
concept of ancestral work on the show
before in our garnet episode and probably quite
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a few others that aren't coming to mind
right now.
But bloodstone,
I think, does this in a little different
way.
So a lot of times, we get hung
up on this idea of our ancestors just
being
familial,
and there are so many different types of
ancestors that we can connect with. And bloodstone
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is one that really kind of helps you
zoom out and get that bird's eye view
of what your ancestral network can be, and
this is a stone that I think really
helps you connect with the spirit of the
land, with the spirit of place
as ancestor,
with the plants, the rocks, the
elements that surround you. So
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recognizing
that you are a part of that landscape,
that you are a part of
the world around you, not separate from it,
and really honoring and revering
all that came before you. So thinking about,
you know, that soil that grows the plants
that you eat that nourish your body and,
like, all of that kind of,
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eventually,
returning back to the Earth. You know, we
all came from the Earth. We will all
return back to the Earth, and this kind
of cyclical
nature
of
being supported
by our ancestors that came before us
and
knowing that one day we will then become
an ancestor.
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And so it is this stone that I
think inspires
a lot of
right
action.
And,
you know, I'm sure,
many of you have heard, like, the phrase,
like, be a good ancestor. That means, like,
in your present, making those decisions, those choices
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of how we live, how we interact with
the world around us that
make a positive impact.
And that could be leaving a small imprint.
That could be,
inspiring others. That could be there are so
many ways that we can do that and
and lots of different ways simultaneously.
And I think,
you know, especially right now when things feel
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so tumultuous,
having that energy to sort of anchor into
and ground into
And remember that
we are all strong. We are all supported.
We have done hard things before
and made it through. We will do hard
things again,
and that we don't have to do those
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hard things alone. That is a big lesson
that I've personally been working on for a
couple years and a really good friend of
mine reminded me that
we don't have to do hard things alone.
It's okay to ask for help when you
need that support, and so tap into your
local community, but tap into that ancestral community.
So the way that I really love to
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do this with bloodstone
is to find a tree that I really
love. If you're like me, maybe you have
a few that you really love. Maybe it's
in your yard, maybe it's at a local
park, maybe it's one that you just stumble
upon that you've never really met before.
But take your bloodstone with you.
Go sit on, at the base of that
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tree. Let your spine sort of lean up
against
the strength of that tree trunk, the support
of that tree trunk.
Close your eyes holding that bloodstone however it's
comfortable to you. You can hold your hands
in your lap. You can hold this over
your heart.
You can
hold it over your brow, like, whatever feels
comfortable.
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You can even set it on the ground
in front of you. Place your hands over
that stone so that you're touching the earth.
But let your back, your spine, if it's
comfortable for you,
and accessible to you, lean up against the
strength and support of that tree trunk.
Close your eyes and really breathe into that
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bloodstone.
Let that energy just kind of anchor you
to that spot, remind you that you are
supported,
that even when things feel tumultuous, there is
a place of this
stable
anchored calm, this sort
of rigid,
not
unchanging
energy,
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but stable energy that kind of just stays
put but bends and sways and, like, allows
the change to sort of happen without getting
swept away by it.
And bloodstone, I feel like, just
helps us tap into that. And once you've
done that, just breathing, just feeling that in
your body,
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I feel like it sort of charges that
stone with that the energy of that experience.
And then you have that at the as
this little
pocket talisman,
this little charm that you can keep with
you
and draw upon that energy
throughout your day. Anytime you feel yourself getting
swept up,
overwhelmed,
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just holding that stone, taking a few deep
breaths, and tapping into that, you know, grounding
support of the ancestors.
Ashley, I found it really interesting how you
talked about ancestors being broader than what we
maybe think of
usually. I guess when I've initially think of
ancestors, I think of my my grandparents, my
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great grandparents, and going down the lineage and
that type of thing as well.
Now I know from my personal lineage, you
know, it's very European based, But I find
it interesting for myself and for other people
how,
although all my history and all my lineage
is in Europe,
I will have a drawing to other cultures
around the world, you know, like the ancient
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Egyptians that I have no connection to and
different things like that. No. I know many
people experience that as well where they're just
drawn to one place. And do you think
Bloodstone could help us to possibly explore that
and maybe that our soul wasn't always coming
down this lineage of a European one for
me? It may have been darting around the
world and help us dive into that as
well.
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That's a really interesting question, and I think
there's definitely
a lot to explore there. I think, you
know, like I said, we aren't just,
tapped into
the ancestors that we have that are familial
ancestors,
but we have all of the ancestors of
humanity. Right? And I think that there are
sometimes
lessons that are accessible to us,
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that
come down in that sort of
Jungian mass consciousness
sort of way. Right? Like, there are things
that are just collective
knowledge and wisdom of humanity.
So I think as long as we're being
respectful, we're not encroaching on closed practices, things
like that, then there's definitely a way that
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we can tap in and explore that in
our current incarnation.
And it's a really like, I find this
crystal such a a powerful yang kind of
crystal. It has some real strength to it
as well. And I guess when we think
even from the name of blood, you know,
the blood coursing through our veins as well.
Nicholas, do you find this is gonna be
a really good one for kind of empowering
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and strengthening people as well?
Yeah. So from from the earliest written records
that we've got of its use, this is
the stone that's long been considered protective,
whether inscribed with certain
glyphs or images
to conquer one's enemies or drive out,
you know, things that go bump in the
night. It's it's been used for every kind
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of protection. And I think some of that
definitely comes to that real visceral image of
blood in us and how that
is in a very literal
way, representative of our life force. If if
we don't have enough, we don't have life
force.
But there's something really interesting
about the kind of movement that this stone
implies.
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And
I'm
I understood
like, I I memorized a list of properties
related
to bloodstone and was able to apply it
to my life,
but I had some moments when I was
studying a practice called gemstone energy medicine,
also just something that's called gemstone therapy. And
they've got some
really interesting
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ideas about the kind of therapeutic effects of
gemstones.
And there's something
about bloodstone and they they they have their
own kind of applications for it, but there
is a sense of movement in the way
it mobilizes our forces, mobilizes our defenses,
for,
you know, anytime we feel vulnerable or threatened.
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So, you know,
if we feel as if we are overwhelmed
by the energies of others, if, you know,
maybe you feel like your immune system is
is
over mobilized
when exposed to some pollen. Like, this is
the kind of grounding stone that helps me
get in touch with my body when when,
I just need to find out where my
defensive line might be. But if we start
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to look at the history of this stone
and its makeup,
there's a a kind of thread that can
be woven through.
Although I mentioned earlier, it gets the full
name heliotrope or heliotropum because,
one particular medieval apothea associated it with the
sun. Earlier than that, we see a really
strong Mars influence. And, of course, before we
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had the birth of modern
chemistry
and geology and later gemology,
we didn't necessarily have a clear idea of
what
the makeup and the the chromophores, the color
centers of this this gemstone was. And yet
there is this interesting affinity between Mars, the
red planet, and the red flecks in this
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and the blood in our veins, hemoglobin, also
deriving its color from an iron
component.
And,
this
quality of Mars is one that mobilizes things.
You know, we think of Mars as the
god of war.
He's out there
moving toward the frontline when we need protection.
His drive and ambition get things moving when
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we feel stagnant.
So for me, Bloodstone kind of envelops all
of these things together
and helps
us kind of collect the resources that we've
got to nourish and stabilize
them if they're a little depleted or,
underwhelming,
and then allows us to channel them in
the direction that's going to give us the
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most leverage for change,
enable us to really
see some transformation take place. So we could
use bloodstone when we just feel the need
for general protection, when our our,
you know, body or mind or spirit feels
low energy. Being able to find that sense
of movement to get enough inertia to overcome
our obstacles.
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And it's become a trusted friend ever since.
I have a question, Nicholas, and I don't
know if you will know the answer to
this or not. But I remember when I
first learned about bloodstone, turning to a lot
of the historical sources. Right? Because there's a
lot written about this particular stone.
And one of the things I know that
Pliny, the elder, said about this stone was
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that it was, good for, like,
invisibility. It was like a stone of invisibility.
Do you know, like, where that comes from,
what the thinking is, or if not, maybe,
like, how would you interpret that for our
sort of modern practice?
So there are a handful of stones that
we see that get this really curious attribution.
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And this is one of the more notable
ones, but we also see Chrysoprase, which what
we call Chrysoprase, probably not what the ancients
called it as well.
And and,
even topaz in in some medieval and early
renaissance texts will will get that kind of,
same
same quality. And I don't necessarily
know what the psychology or the social circumstance
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was
that initiated this, but it has become a
tradition that has stuck around ever since.
And my
experience
with this stone in terms of invisibility
is not so much that, you know, we're
obviously not gonna disappear in a puff of
smoke. It's not, you know, a cloak of
invisibility that makes us blend in with our
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surroundings like we see in in books and
cinema.
But there is something about
really being able to
walk in tune with everything around you,
to
find stillness
or movement as needed to keep pace with
everything going on that makes us not stand
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out.
And, you know, oftentimes,
I think the the
best defense is just being unnoticed. So if
we really want a gemstone to protect us,
it's not always about
building, you know, the hundred foot high wall
around our castle,
but maybe just not leaving a big footprint
in your wake. And and that may be
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part of it.
I would probably need to do just a
little bit more exploration to see, like, how
is disseminated.
This isn't a stone I've spent a whole
lot of time,
like, really doing the deep historical dive on,
but,
this idea of bloodstone and
and invisibility is is truly an ancient one.
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Hey, guys.
I've just tried this invisibility thing.
I think it does work.
Stop. Stop. You're funny.
And it's interesting, you know, with with that
context of Bloodstone as well, it it's really
been one that I find a really great,
like, physical hero as well, Kyle. Have you
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used it in that kind of context much
at all?
Honestly,
it is the context that I work with
bloodstone. It is purely for my physical vessel.
It has been a journey for me because
chronic pain, I've talked about this in past
episodes, is something that I am so blessed
to deal with. And having bulging discs
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sounds really sexy, but it's actually not at
all. And it causes all of these different
flavors of pain and nerve pain throughout different
parts of my body, and I've had it
for over fifteen years. And I'm not even
40.
What it means is I have to be
really careful about how I use my body.
The irony of recording this episode after having
a big weekend where I did lots and
lots, and now I have a cold is
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not lost on me, but I've been working
with it again, and I love it. Love
it. Love it. This is my favorite favorite
piece. It sits on my coffee table. It
has so much of that reddy orange. It
has those orbicular round spots, really dark green
at the tip. And this chap sits on
my coffee table because I am laying on
my couch next to it quite a lot.
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And that's one of my things with bloodstone.
If you can keep it next to you
when you are stationary,
it can do so much for your physical
vessel. It's allowed me to replenish.
It allows me to know when I need
to stop, when I need to go further.
It allows me to utilize what energy I
have better and more efficiently, which I think
is really, really cool.
I find it,
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as we've touched on before, stabilizing and supportive
and kind of
grounding in a way that I find really
practical. For me, I don't know about everyone
else, but I find it very Capricornican.
Like, it has this practicality
to it that enables you to do what
you need. Or for me personally, what I
need
for my body in a way that is
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practical for my
resources,
my time, my energy, and all of that
sort of stuff.
So if your body is like, I am
sore. I need a massage. Blah blah blah
blah blah.
Can't afford to do that regularly. We have
a massage head on our shower.
I'll spend an extra five minutes
making sure I am giving myself a little
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bit of that. If I'm laying down, I'm
gonna make sure my legs are up on
pillow so that I can take the pressure
off, give my body what it needs. And
I'm listening to that as it is talking.
I'm standing up cooking in the kitchen and,
like, my back sore. I actually need to
put shoes on. Like, there are all these
little things that I now listen to and
hear because my body's like, if you don't
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do it, it's gonna
hurt later. This is what you need in
the now. This is what's
going to support you now. And I always
have these kind of double ups. This is
an example. These beautiful palm stones,
these
kind of weird geolith
bits. I'll always get pairs that I can
hold
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and hold properly. I find tangibility with stones
for the physical body, I think, really important
because it helps us to, I can feel
it. It's connecting to my body, and it's
working on my body. That, like, I think
is really important. So if you need to
put it in your bed,
under the mattress, next to your
bedside table, you could put it as I
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have on the coffee table, in your couch,
maybe underneath
the cushions.
Anywhere that you are sitting maybe for a
long time, a desk that you're at for
a really long time,
when your body is requiring
you keeping an eye on it. Because whenever
we're stagnant for too long, quite often we
need to move. Like, quite often we actually
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need to,
as Nicholas mentioned, get that inertia going and
start the momentum and start things moving. And
when I was looking into things
with that, I found really interesting the ion
component, obviously,
so much to a physical vessel, but it
also chloride
comes up and hornblende.
Two really interesting things. Chloride, for me, has
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been very
healing in many different ways. And hornblende being
an amphibole
has that kind of strength and stability.
Bringing that with that iron
force
is such a cool combination. Don't you think?
Like, amvasilicate its face. It's this really fascinating
combination when you actually look at it. It's
not just this
inert green kind of with bits of red.
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It's this really complex deep,
what do I need? We are complex human
beings. We are complex at our core, and
we all need different things.
You know? We're all talking about the different
ways that we're working with it. And for
me, it has been such a physical thing,
and I think that's really, really cool about
it. And I think the more I work
with it, the more I love it. It's
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one of those daily crystals for me, so
it's always around.
Okay. Point of controversy
for discussion. Yes. Because Kyle showed his beautiful
bloodstone
wand, and it had a whole lot of
that beautiful burnt reddy orange
and some green toward the
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carved termination.
At what point
do we classify
it not as bloodstone, but as maybe like
a fancy jasper or something like that? Because
I know, like, bloodstone, we can get from
Brazil. We can find it in India. Like,
we can find it in a few places.
I when I look for a bloodstone, I
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am so old school. I want, like, just
that field
of dark green, and I wanna see clear
little spatters of red. And the ones that
have a lot more red
are super gorgeous. I just got some palm
stones for the shop, and there was one
in there that was, like, almost all red,
and it was beautiful. I I had to
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pick it up and put it in the
batch anyway even though it's totally the different
than all the other ones.
But, like,
because my human brain
wants to put things in their neat little
boxes,
how do we all feel about where that,
like, delineation
kind of stops, or do we not care?
We just go, it has all the same
stuff. It's good. Who cares if the pattern
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is a little different?
I am really not sure, to be honest.
This one for me has always stuck out
as an anomaly, as a piece of bloodstone.
Absolutely.
Like,
I I truly don't know exactly where it
comes from.
I just remember seeing it and needing it
and knowing that, like,
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I'm a weirdo, so I go for the
weirdos. Like, that's that's how I roll. So
I don't feel like, for me, it doesn't
feel like a fancy Jasper. I've worked a
little bit with fancy Jasper. I've got some
bracelets that I've worn, and I really love
it's I find fancy Jasper a bit more
subtle.
Maybe. I think that that for me is
maybe a bit of delineation whereas bloodstone for
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me always has this
force.
And you're not going to, like, ignore the
force that is there. The force is strong
with us. I don't know why I'm doing
Star Trek crossing crossing things.
I like that description. I think that's probably
true. Nicholas, what do you think about this?
So particularly in the materials that we see
coming out of India,
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there's there's a lot of, we'll say,
friendliness
among a few different materials. And when you
find, like, the,
you know, drilled beads and stretchy bracelets, they're
often a a melange, a salad of of
all these different materials that comes together. So
as you mentioned, we've got the fancy jasper,
but they also get moss agates from the
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same region.
They have onyx and or sardonyx
coming out of the same holes in the
ground and then our bloodstones. And and oftentimes,
the difference between them is entirely subjective,
and it depends on where someone has has
cut
the piece that we end up with. So,
you know, if I get someone,
on a rare day that I'm at the
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shop,
if if I get someone who really wants
a bloodstone bracelet, then then we find the
best lighting we can. We pull all of
the fancy Jaspers, and we go, okay. Well,
one of these is gonna have some bloodstone
beads, and let's talk about why. And then
someone else wants a a moss agate bracelet.
I'm like, good news. Let's go to the
fancy Jasper because there's a lot of moss
agate in these because they're they're the the
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difference between these is often just,
you know, shades
shades of variation,
and how they're cut makes a big difference.
When we see, like, the the Shiva eye
agates, it's exactly the same material.
They've just been cut into a shape that
that enhances the the bands between them instead
of separating the strata.
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Same with a lot of the sardonyx that
comes from there. It's not the traditional colors
we see in sardonyx, but it's what we
have come to accept. So I I think
it's okay to blur the lines
and to arbitrarily designate what we like as
being associated with these terms.
I'm really glad we're talking about this because
so often, and I'm sure this has happened
to all of us, you know, you'll get
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sent pictures from someone on Instagram or Facebook
or something, and they're like, can you identify
my stone? And I'm like, it's kind of
like three things mushed together. Like, I can't
put it in a box for you. You
just you gotta make a call here.
And I think this is one of those
stones that definitely goes in all those directions.
So thank you so much. Kyle.
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It's one of those things. When I did
my gemology degree, it's the black stones and
the dark green stones that you have to
spend so much extra time on trying to
figure out what they are. So if we
have to work extra hard, the general public
are obviously going to have that difficulty too.
So try not to put too much pressure
on yourself. These two are definitely the most
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challenging colors
to work through when it comes to minerals.
What are you guys saying? Do you not
enjoy getting blurry,
poorly lit crystal sent to you going, can
you tell me what on earth its great
crystal is?
No. Yeah. We love that. There's actually a
really great page on Facebook. I think it's
called fossils, minerals, and crystal identification. It's run
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by more group of geologists, and you basically
post pictures in there. It's got, like, I
don't know, 50,000 people in there. That's a
really good one for, you know, people to
kind of hash it out and buy it
through. But, yes, we we love we love
helping our our our followers and our clients
and our customers, but,
sometimes it can be a bit challenging with
those ones. Got it? Yeah. No blurry photos.
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No blurry photos. Photos,
with with with a flashlight on them, which
takes out half the color. Yep. I love
them. I love them. Carl, I'm really interested
in what you're talking about health, and it
reminded me of, a story that I used
to share quite often because I find bloodstone
to be a really beautiful
I call it one of my Panadol crystals.
It's kind of an all around fixer in
that type of way.
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But I think, you know, my approach when
it comes to physical healing, especially, is that
you've got to look at what the body
needs. And, you know, Nicholas was talking about
it being a very Mars like crystal, and
it has been historically. And I find it
really yang and powerful in that way as
well.
And I've reminded of someone who came into
the shop, the crystal shop I was working
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in in that time,
and she said, hi. I I wanna get
a bloodstone because I'm, you know, I'm just
on day release from the hospital at the
moment, and I've been reading and I keep
reading that this is a really good one
for healing.
I said, yeah. Sure. It definitely is. Let's
have a look. But if I can be
a little bit nosy, can I ask what
you're having challenges with? And she said, well,
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I've got an issue at the moment where
my immune system is attacking itself,
and that's causing all different problems in my
body.
So I then had a bit of a
chat to her about, you know, the this
this is kind of a I think it's
a great,
crystal for when we need to get the
heart pumping a bit more or the circulation
going, or we need to fire up the
immune system. So it's a really great one
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if you do have a cold or a
flu.
But when we have these kind of where
the bot like hers system was
over,
overactive,
the maybe we need to look at maybe
getting more of a yin crystal in in
that way. So I tend to as my
as I call my Panadol crystals, I find
that red garnet and bloodstone are really good
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when the body needs firing up in order
to defeat something. But I find amazonite and
amber,
really good as your yin ones to actually
help calm the body down. And after having
a conversation with her, she felt a lot
more comfortable actually going with an Amazonite instead.
And I'd love to know,
everyone's thoughts on that.
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Yeah. I think,
for me, when it comes to crystals for
that physical body healing,
I am,
a, I'm a skeptic by nature. I'm so
skeptical. I'm super into the woo, super into
crystals, but
I think it's so important for everything that
we do to be, like, really grounded in
science
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and also
really grounded in responsibility
too. And so, obviously, crystals, and all of
us would agree with this, are never ever
meant to be a replacement
for medical treatment.
So you have to see your physician,
your surgeon,
your psychologist, your psychiatrist, whatever it is, you
have to get that traditional medical care. And
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where crystals come in is as an energetic
support, right? They're working on that subtle level
to support us through all those other things
that we're doing for our healing.
For example, I also like Kyle, I have
chronic pain. Am I going to work with
my crystals to help support me? Yes. Am
I also gonna go to my chiro? Am
I also gonna go to my pain specialist?
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Yeah. I'm gonna do all those things. Right?
We're using all the tools in our toolbox.
But the other thing that I think is
really important to consider
is looking because crystals work on that subtle
level,
looking
underneath
the layers
for kind of the symbolism
of what might be happening.
I think because most people are used to
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how we approach things in the medical world,
that's the experience that when they are having
a physical problem, they think, oh, problem, what's
the crystal solution? And that's just not how
it works exactly
because the energy is so different.
So, for example,
when I have a headache, I'm not necessarily
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looking for a crystal for my headache.
I'm taking a look at that headache. I'm
thinking what's going on right now. Am I
really overstimulated?
Am I stressed?
Am I getting enough sleep? Am I you
know, what is kind
of going on with me? And maybe it's
that I'm really overstimulated
and stressed. So I go,
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okay. What crystal can really support me right
now? Maybe I need a good stone for
grounding. Maybe I need something to bring a
little peace and calm, remind me to just
breathe a little bit.
So it's not like I'm necessarily thinking, you
know, headache problem. What's the crystal solution?
I'm looking a little bit deeper than that.
But I think there's also things that we
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can do,
not just looking at kind of maybe the
root cause of what's going on, but also
the symbolism.
Right? So the head being associated maybe with
the intellect, maybe with the air element, with
our mental clarity.
Maybe I need something for a little clarity
of thought because there's just a lot coming
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at me and it's kind of a a
lot of energy. So what will sort of
cut through that and open things up? Right?
Maybe that headache is like pressure.
What would take the pressure off? Not physically,
but energetically,
symbolically. Right? Maybe a crystal to create a
little bit more spaciousness,
a little bit more openness, like some gypsum,
something like that.
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So I think, you know, we need to
really consider that when we're looking at the
ways that crystals do support us physically.
I think that's the whole point of this
confab. Right? Is we're all giving out different
ways that we work with these different minerals,
these different crystals. We're all clearly coming at
them from very different places, and I think
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every episode has shown that. Like,
no one person is going to experience the
same
medicine the same way. Right? This is why
there's always a list of
possible side effects. This is why certain people
can handle certain things and other people can't.
This is why we have our limits and
our balances, and this is
why we talk about it like this is
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because we are all
different humans experiencing the world in different ways,
and nothing is going to work exactly the
same for you as it does for that
person. And it's also not going to work
exactly the same for you today as it
did yesterday because you're a different person, and
you've evolved and you've grown and you've changed.
And I think that's
like, crystals are an amazing support, but we
are living a practical
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life on this planet. What are we able
to do? What should you be doing to
support yourself?
And what help do you actually need? We
always need to make sure that we're open
to those things. And these beautiful, wonderful, sexy
little crystals can help us
if we stop and listen to them and
their energy. They can even guide us to
the appropriate actions that we need to take
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as well so that we can go and
see the doctor or the psych. We can
go and do those proper things that are
important
to
the living of the life of the spirit
of the human that we are.
And I think we should you know, I'd
love to give a shout out to authors
like Louise L. Hay and even Ina Seagal.
They have really great books like You Can
Heal Your Life that explore and, you know,
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science is catching up in a in a
slow way between how much our physical well-being
and our emotional mental well-being are interlinked.
And, you know, Louise L. Hay, she has
this amazing book. She's passed now, but this
book,
the legacy continues on called You Can Heal
Your Life. And what she's done is for
every part of the body and everything that
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kind of goes wrong with the body, she
looks at the thoughts that come behind that.
And as Ashley was saying, energetically,
that's the level that crystals work. So if
we keep on being around a certain energy,
whether it's in our environment or a thought
pattern that we keep having, eventually that kind
of condenses
into the physical.
So by the time you've got that sore
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knee or that headache or your pancreas is
playing up, it's almost too late for the
crystals.
But you can then go on that journey
with the crystals to start unraveling that energetic
cause that might be manifesting that in the
in the way as well. So I think,
you you know, I I have an app
on my phone from Louise O'Hai, and I
find that a really good reference of kind
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of going, oh, okay. So ankle, what could
that mean? That could mean, you know, not
being flexible. And then I think what crystal
might be great for that, for me, it's
Kainite.
And then I'd work with Kainite and think
about, okay. Where am I not being flexible
in my life and that type of thing
as well. And that's how I approach the
healing. So, yeah, I think we're all in
agreeance that, you know,
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if if someone suddenly realizes they've got cancer,
they shouldn't be going to the crystal shop.
They need to go to their health professional
first.
Yeah. Awesome.
Now it's really great that we're actually having
this big discussion about health because it's really
gonna come into focus this coming week because
we have a full moon.
It's a full moon in Virgo, and Virgo
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is the sign of physical health and well-being,
but it's a special one as well.
It's a blood full moon. So different from
a blue moon where the moon does not
turn blue. A blood full moon you will
have in certain parts of the,
of the planet, you'll actually see the moon
turn red. And this is a bit of
a rare occasion.
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And you may start to see a bit
of a flare up, throughout this week of
all all the, you know,
the girly magazines and all the bloggers and
that talking about how this can be
a bit of a dangerous time or a
wary time in that. And when you look
historically,
different cultures have really looked at this full
moon in different ways. You know, some cultures,
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have, you know, thought that this is a
time when demons and dragons were coming to,
you know, possibly get you.
I know in some cultures, they'd actually take
the king off his throne
during a blood full moon and put someone
else as a substitute in just in case
that the king got, you know,
attacked by demons or anything like that type
of thing. But in other cultures, it's seen
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as quite virtuous as well. And I'm I'm
of the belief that everything
on this earth and everything in the heavens
is here to support us. So I really
look at the blood moons as being a
really,
auspicious time.
For me, the blood moons allow us to
go a little bit deeper, a little bit
more animalistic, a little bit more soul leveled,
and look at the,
the aspect of our life in a in
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a deeper way.
So what we have is we have this
blood moon, which is really quite spiritual,
but then we have Virgo, which is looking
at our physical health and our well-being. And
sometimes they're like on the opposite ends of
the scale. But I think this is a
beautiful time for us all to explore
and honor our body and what we need
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for our body. You know, our body is
we only get one, and it is basically
the vehicle you get to drive through life.
And you may not think that, oh, okay.
Well, eating my vegetables and getting outside and
getting some fresh air and some exercise is
a very spiritual thing to do.
But we all know how we feel when
we feel rubbishy.
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The last thing we feel like doing is
meditating or, you know, any of our spiritual
practices. And so
looking after your physical vessel and making goals
and intentions and doing healings and different things
like that
can be a really great thing to help
evolve spiritually. And I think working with Bloodstone
this week,
you know, making an intention on this full
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this blood full moon in Virgo, and it
just so happens because I'm working on a
project for 2026.
Next year, we also have a blood moon
in Virgo again, which is really, really rare.
So I would even maybe sit down and
set some intentions, do some workings towards
what you'd like to bring into your life
and kind of scribble that down a little
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bit of paper, you
know, keep it in the front of your
head, but then think about next year when
it happens later in the year in 2026.
Go, okay. How am I going with that
and how can I uplevel it again?
So we see around the world, you know,
health challenges that people weren't experiencing thirty years
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ago
and and the rise of different physical and
mental ailments that weren't around.
Maybe it's time that you
found the way to get back to nature,
get back to working with your crystals and
finding that health and healing as well. So
I think bloodstone is the perfect crystal
to give you that
courage
and that motivation and that determination
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to start honoring your body.
And everyone considers themselves to be healthy.
I never talked about how can we get
healthy. I'm like, how can we uplevel?
I bet no one listening or watching
believes that they are 10 out of 10
when it comes to sleep and nutrition and
flexibility
and all those different things. So maybe looking
at, okay, where am I scoring low on
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those kind of factors?
And where can I bump up and start
working on that in this full moon?
I love this conversation, Adam, because I've been
thinking a lot about, you know, here in
the Northern Hemisphere, we are getting ready to
head back into spring. It's gonna be gardening
season
soon. It's been a long cold winter, especially
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where I live.
Winter's
a big chunk of the year. So, we
just had snow actually until last week, about
a foot of it, and it finally melted.
So I'm, like, getting ready to sow my
seeds and do all kind of things,
and I know I am, like, woefully out
of shape. And the first couple weeks of
gardening are really gonna kick my behind
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because it's a lot more physical stuff than
I'm used to just sitting in my warm
cozy house all winter. So it seems like
Bloodstone could be a really good companion
for helping me, a, get that little bit
of motivation
to get back outside,
but, b, just be kinda really supportive
throughout that process to, like, help keep me
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going toward where I feel, like, you know,
comfortable doing some of those things that are
downright hard as a gardener.
Yeah. I think this is a beautiful one
to work with whenever you need to kind
of especially this I guess it's like trying
to move move a train or something, you
know, with all that cargo behind it. It's
that initial start. And I, you know, I
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I looked at my where my body was
at at the start of this year, and
I'm like, I I was the heaviest I've
ever been. And I was like, you know,
you run up at some stairs and you're
like, I need to sit down for five
minutes. So I'm like, that's not good kind
of thing. So I've, you know, I've started
working with a personal trainer, but sometimes it's
it is those first few sessions or I've
just been away for a few days and
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going back to the personal trainer yesterday. That's
where it really kinda kicks your ass and
that's the the hard bit is starting. And
I think this blood moon in Virgo
aligned with blood stone could be a really
great way for a lot of people just
to make those first starts because it gets
easier the longer, you know, the more momentum
you have going behind you.
And also, like, long term goals. Like, to
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make these long term physical goals, I really
like the idea that there's another blood moon
next year in Virgo.
So I am personally going to set a
one to two year goal plan to see
what I can do in the next year
and then to see how I need to
reset with it next year because
physical planning is something that I'm very conscious
of at the present moment.
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Yeah. And I was just inspired to kind
of share, you know, as I said, I
I wanted to lose a few kilos or
a few pounds. And so what I did,
and this could be a good thing to
do for the full moon is instead of
go right, I'm here and I want to
be here.
I actually worked out where I want to
be. And I used to go chat GPT.
And I said, can you divide this,
but into weekly increments? So each week now,
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I'm like, you know, and I go, oh,
I jump on the scales and I'm like,
oh, I've still got so far to go.
I'm like, have I done my little goal
for this week? And I'm actually ahead of
my goal
and breaking down into bite sized pieces can
be really good. So even doing a bit
of work, you know, we don't have to
just do spiritual work around the full moon.
We can kind of use that energy
to, you know, put our magic and our
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intention behind it and go, okay, let's set
little goals and kinda do it week by
week by week. Bite sized pieces make it
really more manageable rather than going, I'm here
and it's gonna be impossible to get there.
So I think
A % agree. A % agree.
Now before we wrap up, we did oh,
sorry, Ashley. You wanted to add something?
Yeah. I was just thinking that's actually, like,
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a really good way to work with bloodstone
in general.
Just breaking down those really big things that
seem a bit overwhelming,
maybe a bit a bit full on into
little things that we can do along the
way. So, you know, whether that's a health
goal or that's a goal for starting your
meditation practice
or a goal for a big project, you
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know, just having that be a companion
to keep up that motivation and support throughout
the process.
Mhmm. And I know we talked about last
week, actually, but can you do a little
bit bit more of a shameless self promotion
for your course that I know is in
full
full happening now and you're taking on applicants?
Yes. So I am hoping well, I don't
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know. We'll see what happens. But by the
time that this episode comes out,
we may have already filled up all of
our spots. I've actually limited enrollment to 50
spots this time so we can create a
little bit more of an intimate container
for all of the classes.
Today,
that we're recording is the first day of
enrollment, and we are
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a good way of the way there. We've
had
19 people enroll already out of 50,
so there
may or may not be just a couple
spots left.
Discounted enrollment is supposed to end this Friday,
but if there are any spots available, if
you message me, I will try to sneak
you in. You can contact me at ashley@loveandlighthealingschool.com,
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and I can send you all the details
if we do have any last minute spots
to sneak you in when this comes out.
But
if you are too late and you've missed
this enrollment,
don't worry. We will open one more time
later this spring during the May.
So we will have some additional spots available
then after we get our new students settled
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in. And there's also an opportunity to get
started with an introductory
course if you just wanna kinda stick a
toe in and see what it's all about.
You can learn more about that at loveandlightschool.com.
And we've also got links below in or
wherever you're watching this on a video or
listening to a podcast, check out our links
below and check that out there.
I'm gonna jump in with a shameless self
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promotion as well. If you'd like to actually
meditate with Bloodstone, especially around this,
blood full moon,
I've got a meditation on iTunes.
I've got a series of eight different albums,
and it's album two. The health and wealth
one has a Bloodstone meditation in it. Goes
for just under twenty minutes. Takes you through
relaxing, letting go of the day, connecting with
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your bloodstone, and then going on a bit
of a a journey with it in that
way as well. So that can be another
way to kind of help you get that
deeper connection.
But apart from that, I think we've confabbed
enough about this amazing crystal. And hopefully, one
of those regular ones, which I think was
probably one of the first crystals I ever
bought because it was one of those good
old trusty ones many years ago. Hopefully, it
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brought it back to the forefront of your
mind and it's come to the top of
your crystal shelf and brings you greater health
and motivation and drive and connecting with your
ancestors
and all that. We'll be back next week
to con fab about another amazing gift of
mother earth. Until then, take care and blessed
be.