Pietersite Meaning | Crystal for High Magic & More! [Crystal Confab Podcast]

Join Adam Barralet, Kyle Perez , Ashley Leavy and Nicholas Pearson in Episode #25 of the Crystal Confab Podcast as they do a deep dive into Pietersite meaning, including: Pietersite and New Moon in Aries High magic and Pietersite Being in the 'eye of the storm' with Pietersite Formation and energy of Pietersite   Tune in now for a deeper look at Pietersite meaning! Podcast Transcript:   Crystal Confab Podcast Introduction: Are you just starting with crystals? Or maybe you have a whole collection but aren't sure how to use them? Join four crystal nerds, healers, workers, and lovers for crystal confab, a casual chat about all things crystals.   Adam Barralet: Nature is truly awe inspiring, and there's nothing more inspiring than a thunderstorm. I love them. I love the power and the rumble of the thunder, the flashes of the lightning, and the electricity that surges through the sky. And whenever there is an electrical storm, there's one crystal I run and grab. It's my Pietersite.   And that's the crystal we've decided to confab today. I'm here with Ashley, Kyle, and Nicholas, and we're about to dive into the stone of the storm. How are we today, everyone?   Nicholas Pearson: Excited.   Adam: Yay. It's an electrical kind of crystal, isn't it, Nicholas? And I know you've got some really great information to share with us about its formation because it's a really interesting looking crystal. And I'm sure the formation is really potent as well. Can you tell us a little bit about that?   Nicholas: Yeah. I have to preface this by saying, this, in no uncertain terms, is one of my all time favorite minerals. And I know we've all said that more than once, but this is the first gemstone that I truly took one look at and fell in love with. I remember visiting my local little crystal shop in the teeny tiny town I grew up in, and I'd seen almost everything in every single case except for this one dark stone in the back corner that didn't quite have a light reaching it. And so finally, you know, I turned to the owner of the shop.   I'm like, what is this one? He's like, oh, Pietersite. I think you'd actually like this. I'm surprised you'd never seen it. At that moment, he brought it out and I could turn it in the light.   I was in love. Now in that stage of my life, I was all of, like, maybe 12 years old. I just didn't have $68 to spend on a pretty chunky cabochon. I do wish that I had that money then because, you know, ten, twelve years later, it would have been worth five or seven times that. Thankfully, I've seen prices kind of recede a bit in a lot of markets here in North America in the last few years.   So it's certainly coming out in greater abundance, and I'm really grateful for that. But Pietersite is this stone that's kind of wrapped in mystery, and I think that's really appropriate for a gemstone like this. It's one that, a lot of, let's say, theories were put forward as to its formation process, but it wasn't until about, like, fifteen years ago, in 2010 that there were some pretty decent, like, good structural and chemical and optical analyses done that gave us some answers. So we have to address its relatives to better understand what makes it different. And so pietersite is very similar to tiger's eye, in a lot of ways.   They contain a lot of the same ingredients. They are predominantly quartz. They have these fibrous asbestos forms, we call them, inclusions of crocidolite and some of its altered relatives. There tend to be a lot of iron oxides and hydroxides in both. But in tiger's eye, we see these kind of broad parallel brush strokes of that chatoyant or cat's eye like pattern.   And in Pietersitezite, we see anything but that. In fact, the gemological term, and this is one of my favorites for it, my favorite gemological term maybe ever is chaotic chatoyance. And that is what this is. And, hence,

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Are you just starting with crystals?
Or maybe you have a whole collection but
aren't sure how to use them? Join four
crystal nerds, healers, workers, and lovers for crystal
confab, a casual chat about all things crystals.
Nature is truly awe inspiring, and there's nothing
more inspiring than a thunderstorm.

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I love them. I love the power and
the rumble of the thunder, the flashes of
the lightning, and the electricity that surges through
the sky. And whenever there is an electrical
storm, there's one crystal I run and grab.
It's my petocyte. And that's the crystal we've
decided to concept today. I'm here with Ashley,
Kyle, and Nicholas,

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and we're about to dive into the stone
of the storm. How are we today, everyone?
Excited.
Yay. It is it's an electrical kind of
crystal, isn't it, Nicholas? And I know you've
got some really great information to share with
us about its formation because it's a really
interesting
looking crystal.
And I'm sure the formation is really potent

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as well. Can you tell us a little
bit about that? Yeah. I I have to
preface this by saying,
this, in no uncertain terms, is one of
my all time favorite minerals. And I know
we've all said that more than once,
but this is the first gemstone that I
truly took one look at and fell in
love with.

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I remember visiting my my local little crystal
shop in the teeny tiny town I grew
up in, and I'd seen almost everything in
every single case except for this one dark
stone in the back corner that didn't quite
have a light reaching it. And so finally,
you know, I I turned to the the
owner of the shop. I'm like, what is
what is this one? He's like, oh, Peter's
side. I think you'd actually like this. I'm
surprised you'd never seen it. In the moment,

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he brought it out and I could turn
it in the light.
I was in love. Now in
in that stage of my life, I was
all of, like, maybe 12 years old. I
just didn't have $68
to spend
on a pretty chunky cabition.
I do wish that I had that money
then because,
you know, ten, twelve years later, it would

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have been worth five or seven times that.
Thankfully, I've seen prices
kind of recede a bit in a lot
of markets here in North America in the
last few years. So it's it's certainly coming
out in greater abundance, and I'm I'm really
grateful for that. But but petersite is this
stone that's kind of wrapped in mystery,
and
I think that's really appropriate for a gemstone

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like this. It's one that,
a lot of,
let's say, theories were put forward as to
its formation process, but it wasn't until about,
like, fifteen years ago,
in 2010 that there were some pretty decent,
like,
good structural and chemical and optical analyses done

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that gave us some answers. So
we we have to address its relative to
better understand what makes it different.
And so peters eye is is very similar
to tiger's eye,
in in a lot of ways. They contain
a lot of the same ingredients. They are
predominantly quartz. They have these fibrous
asbestos form, we call them,

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inclusions of cricidilite and some of its altered
relatives.
There tend to be a lot of iron
oxides and hydroxides in both.
But in tiger's eye, we see these kind
of broad
parallel brush strokes of that chatoyant or cat's
eye like pattern.
And in
Peterzite, we see

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anything but that. In fact, the gemological term,
and this is one of my favorites for
it, my favorite gemological term maybe ever is
chaotic chatoyance.
And that is that is what this is.
And, hence, it got the nickname tempest stone
because it resembles swirling storm clouds. Now for
a long time, we thought that it was
just a simple case of breccia. We have
something like tiger's eye that forms, it breaks

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down, and gets reassembled.
That's what the crystal book said. That's what
your average gemological manual said. You wouldn't find
it in a textbook of geology,
but,
that's kinda where I left it. And and
long after the data was collected and published
by,
you know, a a forest a niche audience,

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I I eventually would come across it just
a few years ago. And
the process of making this is so fascinating
to me.
Really good studies were done of the materials
in both,
Namibia as well as in China.
And the,
there there are certain features that really distinguish
them from what we anticipated.

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They kinda break some rules. And they do
form as a breccia, which comes from the
Italian word, and we talked about it a
couple weeks ago when we talked about bloodstone,
but it means broken. So, breccia are usually
sedimentary rocks that are clastic. They are broken
down and and reassembled in some way. But
rather than the final product
being very closely removed from what it used

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to look like,
there's actually many stages of formation in this,
and it starts with carbonate rocks.
So in 1962,
a gentleman by the name of Sydney Peters,
who was a resident of Namibia,
found by sawing open some some cobbles of
dolostone.

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Think of like limestone, but lots of magnesium
in it. So lots of dolomite rather than
just simple calcite.
And inside these were pockets of this beautiful
chatoyant material. And, of course, being the first
just to to find it, he named it
after himself, hence, Peter Zide.
But the fact that we find this inside
a a lines it's limestone equivalent, a carbonate

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rock, tells us something kind of fascinating about
how it formed. When we look at,
the the structures of it under really good
microscopy,
we see that rather than big parallel fields
that were broken down,
we start out with little spherules, like little
globes
of silica.

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So they're structurally a lot more like chalcedony
than we see in the kind of columnar
cracked and and and sealed,
tiger's eye.
And they tend to nucleate around tiny little
crystals, little platelets of hematite.
So this fibrous quartz
starts around hematite,

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and, eventually,
the hot silica rich fluid that's depositing this
is also somewhat acidic.
And so that hot acid begins to eat
away at the carbonate rock around it causing
it to collapse, creating what's called a solution
breccia. So the the breaking happens pretty early

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on in the stage of this, and it's
very chaotic.
This allows for lots of things to hit
each other and break and reorient themselves, and
what were once nice parallel fibers
are now more like a crazy quilt or
patchwork quilt that doesn't quite line up. This
means that the variable composition of the host
rock is also going to play a part
in altering the products inside it. You can

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find bits of hematite and,
what we might just address as limonite or
goethite. You can find examples of partially altered
barite crystals, little bits of pyrite,
fields of calcite and dolomite, as well as
the quartz with those fibrous inclusions like we
anticipate.
And it creates a really interesting environment where

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things aren't always predictable.
And and sometimes up close, they don't make
a lot of sense. But when we take
a step back and we get some distance
between us
and and the little
little teeny particles, we start to see the
beauty that is Pietersite.
Pietersite is a stone that for me has
always been about embracing chaos.

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I am a tightly wound person. That is
not a surprise to anyone who's listened to
the podcast before or met me in life
or really kept up with me in any
platform.
I do everything very intensely, and Peter's side
is a stone of intensity.
But it also reminds us that if we
go,
you know, fast forward all the time, eventually,

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we're gonna burn out. So it's necessary to
cultivate
stillness within us. It's necessary to find our
center
as it as it were. And as those
little globes of silica are forming, they nucleate
around hematite, which itself is such a grounding
force, such a stabilizing force.
And in early

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readings about about this gemstone when I could
find it in a crystal book because it
used to be pretty hard to find in
crystal books. That was always how I judged
how I felt about a book. Did it
have Peter's side and what did it say?
Did it regurgitate someone else's stuff? Did it
come up something original? And if it said
something new about Peter's side, I got excited
and the book came home with me.
And and maybe that's what we're gonna blame

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my book buying habit on. That's entirely it
and nothing else.
But when these books that talk about hemat
about Peter's side being such a grounding force,
I thought,
no. No. It's not anchoring. It doesn't weigh
us down. It doesn't tether us to Earth.
Instead, it's, like, grounding us to ourselves. It's
finding

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whatever kernel of stability
that we've got within us that we can
kind of aggregate around, that we can, you
know, keep in touch with. It helps us
kind of communicate between our center and our
periphery.
How far are we spread at any given
time? Can we rein it in,
Or is, like, the
the inertia carrying us outward so strong that

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the best thing to do is just embrace
it? And when we do that, it's
it's so empowering.
It allows us to find that center stillness,
the spaciousness within.
I don't wanna steal from what what Kyle
has to say later, but I think we've
arrived at very similar conclusions working with this
gemstone. But, being here in Florida, I am

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no stranger to really big storms of the
cyclonic variety.
And and Peter's site has always come
to symbolize the kind of eye of the
hurricane to me. It's it's the gap in
the midst of the chaos.
The chaos is still there. You just gotta
create the space inside to embrace it. And
so this is a stone that breaks things

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down,
that
thrives on
decomposition and recomposition.
That shows us things don't have to line
up perfectly to be beautiful and make sense,
that we can embrace the imperfections of life
and find tremendous power in it. There's something,
like, really deeply scorpionic about this stone as

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well in as much that it represents
the the quest for, like, unseen
truths, for finding
your own personal truth and and, like, unraveling
that thread. And so it's been a really
wonderful ally for me ever since. I pulled
just a few examples. I'm I'm I'm wearing
one of my favorite pendants. But,

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when I turned 16, my parents tracked down
a few precious pieces of it to give
to me for for a birthday, and, I've
I've been
just on a high ever since. So, you
know, I have some examples of the nidimian
material, which are not catching the light super
well.
I've got some this one
appeared in one of my recent books.

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Really vibrant. We've got blues and golds and
reds. Sometimes you can find little bits of
purple where the blues and reds get
really friendly.
I do have some of the Chinese material.
I've got a a skull carved in Chinese
petersite,
which is
interesting in as much that its fibers are
packed more densely with more hematite in them,
so they have a higher specific gravity. They're
actually

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heavier than their Namibian counterparts.
And three of my most precious pieces don't
come from either of these locations because
it it takes
it takes a real nerd,
to find out that in approximately
one half
square mile
in New Jersey,
in a creek bed,

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mostly
dug for carnelian that you can also find
petersite, and it's locally known as tushonite.
I'm I'm waiting for a colleague to do
some some chemical analyses,
but it has the kind of classic chaotic
chatoyancy.
This one has blocky little,
pieces of mostly blue fibers in there. It's

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got some carnelian on the underside as well,
which suggests that it and the the rest
of the chalcedony and that region formed together.
I've got one with
long feathery fibers in it that aren't showing
up well on camera. But by far, my
my jammiest piece, if we were to, you
know, take a close-up of this side by
side with some of the nicest Namibian material,

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you'd go, they're identical. But in fact, it
is from the least likely place on Earth,
New Jersey.
Wow. Nicholas, I'd love to know. Obviously, the
three main colors that we find in Peter's
side are that deep blue, that nice blood
red, and that gold. Do you find the
a stone with one of those dominant colors?
Does the color vary

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the energy in your opinion?
Yeah. But, you know, I I love a
balanced piece. I I love
I mean, I'd love a solid red one.
I have plenty that are solid gold and
plenty that are solid blue, but I I
do love the ones where
the colors are a little bit friendlier, if
you will.
And and what is causing the variation in

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color is what is happening to the crocetal
like fibers within it. So much like in
Tiger's Eye, when we see
those deep blues, they're relatively
intact chemically speaking and unoxidized.
Over time, they undergo a process of,
almost like pseudomorphosis,
and

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we convert at least some of that, sometimes
just on the exterior, sometimes all the way
through, into iron rich minerals, iron hydroxides mostly.
They can undergo
further breakdown to produce
iron oxide when the hydroxide ions kind of
fall off and when they dehydrate a little
bit further. So that's gonna give us the

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blue to gold to red.
Other factors can also affect this, namely heat
and pressure. So in that process of
we are seeing, you know, thanks
to thermodynamics,
we we know that if we increase one
of those things, either heat or pressure, it
also nominally increases the other.
So just like we can heat

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any normal tiger's eye and turn it into
red tiger's eye,
we can kinda anticipate the Earth is doing
the same where there are zones of greater
heat or greater pressure or just greater oxidation
and dehydration.
We can end up with, the red colors
in there. So
I do find the reds to be a
little bit more fiery.

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The golds a little bit more stabilizing. The
blue a little bit, say,
more attuned to, like, cultivating that sense of
clarity, finding the root of things because they
are the root material.
But, you know, ultimately,
even when we can't see it with our
own eye, we're
all of those colors are gonna be in
there. If you look at a really, really

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good
bin section of, even just ordinary golden tiger's
eye under close magnification, you're gonna see blue
fibers packed amidst the gold.
And I imagine the same is also true
for this. I just haven't seen such good
micromounts prepared of it because it's,
an an understudied material, sadly.

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And if we have time, I have one
other weird Peter Zite story, completely
unexpected.
So I've I've been a
lifelong lover of this stone. When I worked
in corporate America
for my, like, luxury retail gig, we got
a lot of
international guests time and time again. And one
of my quirky little habits is I collected

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thank yous in in in foreign languages so
I could always thank guests in their native
tongue if possible. And we had some guests
who were speaking Afrikaans once.
And, although they were from South Africa, they
had relocated
to Namibia.
And I thought, oh, how cool is that?
And so I'm searching through the files in
my brain, like, how can I relate a

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personal story to you? And the only thing
I could think of was Peter's eyes. I
was like, you know, my favorite gemstone
comes from Namibia. It was found in the
nineteen sixties by a guy named Sydney Peters,
and the woman just looks at me with,
like, a thousand yard stare, Slack John, and
goes,
I know Syd.
And so I met one of Sydney Peter's
friends
in Orlando, Florida in a shopping mall.

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Who would have thought? Wow. Wow. It's definitely
a magical stone for sure. It's got so
much power in it. Do you find, Ashley,
that it's, like, a really good one for
that kind of powerful magic and that type
of thing?
I do, Adam. So this is like a
stone that I always
kind of reserve for really high magic. So,

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like, what on earth does that really mean?
So this is for for me for intense
ceremony, intense
ritual.
Think of, like, the energy of the magician
card and the tarot
that, like, deep powerful
transformation
that can occur
just like we get with the storm. Right?

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It's that deep transformation.
And so that is really where I find
Peter's site can shine. And before I dig
into that, I do wanna touch on what
Nicholas was talking about in terms of the
Petersight pricing.
And I've noticed
so first, I always learn something new.
When we do these content episodes,

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I did not know that there was potentially
petersite from New Jersey. How wild is that?
I think most of us are under the
impression that it's, you know, China and Namibia,
and that's it. So the Chinese material is,
generally speaking, usually a little bit more affordable,
often not quite as fancy with that chaotic

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Chatoyancy,
but
the Namibian stuff can really, really go up
in value. Even a very small cab
can be quite pricey.
So this year at the Tucson Gem Show
just a couple months ago,
we were shopping.
Lydia, my store manager at Mimosa and I,

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her favorite stone
well, maybe second favorite. I think her favorite
is hyperscine,
but her second favorite stone would be petersite,
like, hands down.
So she found this
Namibian dealer of
amazing quality petersite
and, like, out on their, like, junky, who
cares about it table outside of their nice

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room
was the stuff that we could maybe even
think about buying.
And,
one
kilo
bag
no. It wasn't. It was a pound. It
wasn't even a kilo. It was a pound,
so, like, half a kilo.
Was 350
US dollars.
Granted, it was quite nice,

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but
oh my goodness. So I I said,
I love it,
but I think we have to pass. So
we got no Peter site this year. And
it's not that the price had gone up
or anything. It's that this is where we
happen to find some. It was coming directly
from someone in Namibia who knew the quality

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that they had. Right? I mean, it was
amazing quality. It was those perfect swirls of
all the colors in each piece, and
it was really nice,
but it's it's can be a really pricey
stone. So you can find some that's more
affordable,
but you lose a lot of that color
and that chatoyancy and that beauty,

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but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't work
with it. I just wanna put that out
there too. The couple pieces that I have,
I have some pretty good quality pieces that
I might have picked out of a batch
of, you know, little bit less expensive petersite,
the perks of being the store owner.
But
outside of that, you know, it's okay
to work with a a little bit lower

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quality if that's what's in your budget. So
I just wanted to throw that out there
to everybody. Like, don't shy away from a
stone just because you can't get the museum
quality pieces or the ones that are so
often photographed for the Internet. Like, it is
okay to just work with what's available.
So
back to this idea of this high magic.
So this is a stone that I really

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reserve for that super
transformative energy. If I need
really big change in my life, if I'm
ready to call in something
completely different and I am just open to
what the universe wants to put in front
of me. Right? Like, you have to kind
of go into that space with a lot
of trust, but if you can do that

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and be prepared for it and know
that what comes through will be for your
highest good even if you can't see it,
and, again, that's where that trust comes in.
This is like I feel like that is
the those are the times in life where
I reach for this this stone. So
it really comes down to that kind of
swirling

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eye of the storm effect that Nicholas was
talking about a little bit, and that's because
I feel like Peter's sight has this really
shielding energy. Just like when we're doing a
lot of magical workings, we will cast a
circle
for protection. I feel like with Peter's sight,
we're, like, anchored in that eye of the

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storm, and all of that energy is swirling
around us. It's all transforming, taking shape, but
we are protected and shielded and and grounded
in that little different way, in that very
magical way, in the center of all that
chaos.
And because of that,
it lets all of these circumstances

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change where we kind of don't know where
we end up. So it's not just magician.
It's a little bit wheel of fortune mixed
in there too.
But the outcome,
in my experience, has always been really favorable
even if I couldn't see it at the
time. So when I feel things
shifting and changing in

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bigger ways than I can imagine or envision,
I don't know where I'm headed. I don't
know
why something is unhappy or
unfolding the way it is. This is when
I reach for that Peter site, and the
way that I like to work with it
is a super simple crystal grid.
So I create a pentacle

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or a five pointed star out of pieces
of petersite, just tumbled stones. And, again, mine
are not very expensive, not very fancy, so
that's not impossible
to get a couple for I think I
paid, like, $4 each for my tumbled stones,
something like that. And at the center of
that grid,
an ammonite fossil

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to get that momentum,
that swirl, that flow of energy going
to call in that sort of
anchoring.
They it it really is like an anchor,
like tethering you in place while everything is
swirling around. So ammonite in the center, five
pieces
of
petersite

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in that pentagram shape.
Activate it with your finger, a quartz wand,
a selenite wand
in that pentacle.
Right? So actually go in the pentacle and
then
turn it over to the universe.
Just be ready. Be accepting. Trust, like, that
what is coming in is for your highest

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good. But sometimes
when things are changing
so rapidly around us, when we can't see
the path forward clearly,
we really do just need to let go.
Right? Like, you can't control, like, a runaway
horse, so sometimes you're safer to just let
go of the reins
and stand still, and, like, that is very

(23:50):
much
when I find this stone to be helpful.
So
if 2025
has been,
you know,
that kind of year for you already, which
I imagine it has for most of us,
this is a stone to call upon. You
can leave that grid up
for as long as you need to sort
of get through

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whatever those changes are that are happening,
but remember to go back to it regularly
to do some breathing, to sort of anchor
in place. And one thing I really like
to do is just follow the pattern of
that ammonite spiral
in and out with my eyes. Just look
and trace that with my eyes. So just

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kind of going in and out. And if
you wanna do this with your finger too
and get, you know, really involved, like, more
tactilely and feel
that sort of journey to the center and
then back out, It's so representative
of kind of going within,
letting things go, and then reemerging
into something new. So that great

(24:52):
transformative
power.
I love that idea you've got there actually
about working with grids, and we probably don't
talk enough about grids on these confabs. But
I was wondering also, I love working with
that pentagram energy. It's funny, in my book,
Crystal Connections,
I've, you know, actually got the pentagram drawn
in, on the Peter site chat that so
I think it works really, really well. Do

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you think it could also work well, if
you kind of expand that and maybe even
like laying down in a pentagram position,
and putting one on each extremity of our
body and maybe the ammonite on your heart,
or even in a magic circle. You know,
what I love about a magic circle is
we a lot of time we focus on
it for protection, but it's also a container
for raising that energy. Because if you're just

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raising energy anywhere, we just dissipate that into
the universe. So do you think it could
be a really great one for empowering ourselves
or empowering a circle as well?
I love that train of thought, Adam, and
I absolutely think that. So, like, especially if
you're in that space where you are feeling
a little lost, a little uncertain, a little
unsure
of where you're headed, but you feel like

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you do know where you wanna go,
raise energy in that container. Put it toward
that intention. Or even if your intention just
is, like, transformation,
get me the heck out of whatever is
going on currently,
like, that's okay too. But I I like
the idea of expanding that into a layout.
It's actually not something I've tried before, but

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now I really wanna test that out. I
mean, if if everyone is kind of thinking
about, you know, the very famous
drawing of the Vitruvian man, we're already
in that shape. Right? We already have our
five points. And then I think you could
take that ammonite,
and you could put it over your belly,
you could put it over your heart, you
could put it on your brow, wherever it

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sort of makes sense to you.
But just having it be in that space,
I think the heart especially
where all those points kind of come together
could be a really great placement for it.
And if anyone tries that out, leave us
a comment because I would love to hear
how it goes for you.
Yeah. Definitely.

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I love that you pair it with an
ammonite. And I I know we we're gonna
be talking about that in an upcoming episode
very, very soon.
You know, one of the things that I
anyone who's got my book or watch my
YouTube videos or my channel know that I
always recommend different elements of nature to cleanse
a different
fire, water, sun or the moon. But there

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are a few,
and pettosites one of them where I'm like,
get it out in the lightning storm. And,
you know, I have a little weather warning
whenever I'm in a city and I get
a thunderstorm. I'm like, pettosite,
tanzanite,
fulgurite,
fenekite,
cinnabar,
and covalite.
I like to get out and absorb that
lightning as well. But I'd love to know

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from maybe the the gents as well. Kyle,
is there any crystals you find pair really
well with PetrSight for that kind of electric
power empowering energy?
Absolutely. For me, I'm gonna throw all of
the Tektites and Impactites
into the ring, whether it be Libyan Desert
Glass, Moldavite, Tibetan Tektite,

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Australite,
Darwin Glass,
whatever flavor
of those.
I also really love Columbianite.
That kind of explosive volcanic energy, I think,
really
works pairs really nicely with it as well.
But then something on the completely opposite end
of the spectrum, something as simple as smoky
quartz is often a go to for me

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with PetrSite. Like, I'll go for something really
simple and grounding
to pair with that awesome chaotic power.
What about yourself, Nicholas?
I have a couple that I like to
pair it with.
One of which is rodentite because they they
have seemingly
antithetical
actions, but I actually find that

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the
emotionally
stabilizing
forces of rodentite
can help with kind of, like, the symptomatic
level of the chaos we're experiencing,
whereas the Peterzite helps
us really adapt
to whatever the core cause of it might
be. So if we're going through some turbulence,
I think that's a really empowering combo. And
I have another

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mineral that I like to pair with it
that also seems kind of strange, and that's
celestite.
So
there is
there is some some line of reasoning here,
but but it starts with reading about a
connection between,
Peter's site and the kind of angelic realms
and a couple of works that are predominantly
channeled, which which was a a thing I

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was far more into in my teens when
I was getting into Peter Zeit than I
am today. But in in exploring other gems
that had this kind of angelic quality,
Celestite stood out as being a really great,
partner
for Pieterzite.
One, we can get beautifully structured crystals from
it as opposed to the kind of chaotic

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turbulence of this stone. They are transparent
compared to the opacity of it. But there
is something that is in alignment between the
two, and that is the the kind of
hidden fire
that we see in celestite. So it's a
strontium sulfate mineral, and it is actually the
source of the brilliant red colors that we
see in fireworks and other pyrotechnic displays.

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So when powdered, when ignited, when mixed with
the right things, it really creates this phenomenal
quality of inner fire. So
kind of belying its calm blue, usually blue
exterior,
this this inner light exists there. And there's
something about that that really goes
hand in hand with the way Peter's sight

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pursues the unseen, pursues hidden truth, and I
I just love that combination.
I can actually totally see that working really,
really well together. And, Adam, I saw in
your Instagram stories
not too long ago, maybe last week, you
had some big storms, and you posted
that little group of crystals that are great

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for putting out and charging
in that stormy energy, which I thought was
really helpful for folks.
I have a totally random side quest question,
but I feel like it has to be
asked. I would love to know everybody's
opinion on
Gaia stone,
the Mount Saint Helens

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green glass, right, that was, like, popularized
by,
Robert Simmons, coauthor of the book of stones.
It was a thing before that, but I
think he really brought a lot more attention
to it.
Is that something
anyone
has used in their crystal practice? Do we
shy away from it? Because I feel like

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if I had to assign,
an l an elemental quality, that would be
sort of one of those, Stormy.
Obviously, a bit fiery too, but
does anyone wanna chime in with their their
feelings on that
green glass, Gaia stone, Nicholas?
So
I'm in two minds about it.
I actually like,

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in in my family lineage, we have glass
workers. My great grandfather was a very talented
glass blower. He did, like, lab equipment for
his day job, but his great love was,
making art out of glass and doing, like,
dollhouse size miniatures, not specifically for dollhouses, although
that also
funded a lot of family stuff generations ago.
So I I love glass. I learned how

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to do lamp working and not not the
blowing side of glass, but other things with
it when I was in college,
at the museum actually,
to do, like, demonstrations about ways we work
with minerals.
And so I really enjoy glass. I enjoy
natural glasses, like our Tektites, like our Impactites,
like lava,
like

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other natural glasses that exist.
And this this is a fascinating material to
me because it is specifically
pigmented with a natural material,
but also
most glasses are pigmented with natural materials. The
the great qualm that I have
is
that there
and it's kind of like a game of

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telephone. There's a breakdown in the message,
and so it has been mistaken
for
a naturally occurring material. And I think
some folks
only halfheartedly
mistook it by accident and maybe halfheartedly
took it that way on purpose to to
misrepresent it.
Even though, you know, the the people who

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popularized it were always transparent about what its
origins were, We just kinda get that breakdown
in communication. The the other challenge is it's
really hard to verify.
By by normal means, a green piece of
glass is a green piece of glass,
especially when it is man made glass. So,
I I wouldn't say that I'm called to
work with it in any great way, but
I I really

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enjoy it as
a material.
Nicholas, do you mind taking us back a
step? Because it may be I I when
Ashley said Geisto, I'm like,
oh, that's a blast from the past. I've
had nothing to do with it for a
long, long time. So there might be people
kind of sitting here wondering what on earth
is guy stone. Could you share a little
bit about its origin story and how it's

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made?
Yeah. So this is a a man made
glass that is pigmented with ash from Mount
Saint Helens, which famously erupted
some decades ago in the Pacific Northwest here
in United States.
And and I'm told by someone who knows
the inside story that the reason Gaia stone
became its popular name is that glass made

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with the ash from Mount Saint Helens just
wouldn't fit on the tags.
And so they had to come up with
a quirky name that would distinguish it that
also didn't apply imply that it was something
more than it was. And so because it
has this energy that reminds people of mother
earth, it's the color of mother earth, Gaia
stones stuck around.
And and it was never the intention to

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make that name misleading, but but something had
to fit on the little label,
so the traveling sales reps could hand out
those labels to go with it. And, allegedly,
that's where Gaia Stone comes from.
And something important that you mentioned just in
passing, Nicholas, is that, like,
there are a few sellers out there that
are claiming that it is completely natural,

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that it it formed during the eruption, and
that's
we know that's not the case. It it
it's created
man made from that ash. So if you
see anything out there saying it was, like,
an a natural happenstance
from that eruption, that's not exactly accurate.
It's amazing how much out there there is

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that you know, I know I sent,
the group, our group chat a couple of
months ago now. Someone had sent me two
big green,
obelisks,
and they bought them from a,
a gemologist or a jeweler who had said,
no. This is a true stone.
I'm like,
I'm starting to question all my years of

(35:46):
understanding. I need you guys just to kind
of tell me that I am on the
right track because these large colored glass things
just don't really naturally occur, do they?
Slag is slag. Sorry.
Right? Slag glass is slag glass, and there
are so many now defunct
glass making factories

(36:07):
all literally
littered around the world that they you can
just go and buy slag if it's not
being made fresh.
I thought you were name calling for a
second then, but thank you, Carl.
So, Carl, let let let bring it back
to Peter's side. How do you find it
really powerful? Because we do live in chaotic
times.

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Is it a a great stone for you
as well?
Yes. For me, I am someone that was
raised on chaos theory. Literally, my father raised
me. Chaos and order. That is the world.
He was a policeman for thirty years. He
saw it happen. Like, you have to find
order in chaotic situations because they're always going
to be there. Like, life is not always

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going to be happy and roses and wonderful
and easy and simple
And it's really important
that you are able to forge your own
path through it. Often, when things are more
chaotic,
it actually gives us a better chance
to be the eye of the storm. And
this is where Peter's side really for me
has come into its own. I'm gonna see
if this piece is gonna show off with

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a little bit of light. There we go.
This is my favorite piece, this doughnut showing
off all of that beautiful blue.
I have had this one for years.
It just, you know, comes into your life
when you're meant to. But I also have
this really beautiful red piece
with a little bit of the blue.
But my original favorite, and it's the first

(37:30):
piece that I got, is actually this one
here,
and it has a little bit of the
gold,
a little bit of the yellow.
It's not the most exciting piece. I actually
bought it because it looked like Boba Fett.
Like, it looks like his helmet
from Star Wars. Yes. That's how I roll
sometimes, and that's literally why I got this
piece. But having worked with it and being

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someone that as Nicholas mentioned,
the cyclonic energies comes to WA often and
regularly. We have cyclone season
every single year. It's currently happening in the
North Of Australia, and I have
sat through,
cyclone
coming through over the top whilst being outside

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at the beach,
experiencing
the eye of the storm, that moment of
quiet, and then everything going crazy again. I
was on Cable Beach in Broome, which is
one of the most beautiful places in the
entire world.
I was there with my mother and my
aunt. We were at the beach.
We'd gone for this long day trip. It
was like we need to cool off.
It is 400 degrees and all of the

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humidity. You get into the beautiful turquoise water
and on the horizon is this black wall
of cloud. And we were like,
it's just gonna be a tropical storm. It's
just gonna be a bit of afternoon rain.
We'll be fine.
We
were like this in the water because the
rain was like needles.
We ended up

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being in the water for three and a
half hours
because it was easier and safer
to be in the water because it was
warm
and, like, treading the whole time, treading the
whole time. And then the eye came over,
and I just remember we were in hysterics.
Like, we were just laughing thinking
this is a bigger thing than

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we think it was, but it was so
brief
that it came back again that we had
to wait for it to pass over, finish,
and then go back to my other aunt's
house who we were staying with and get
told off furiously. Like, we got told off.
And this is one of the lessons of
the storm.
Right? You either let it pass over,

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deal with the consequences,
the mess that often needs to be cleaned
up, or
you harness the eye. You get into it
and you ride it. You go with it.
You let it take you somewhere.
You utilize the chaos to create the shifts
and the changes. And sometimes those shifts and
changes can be a bit destructive.
They can be heavy with water or emotion.

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But storms bring all the elements together. That
pentacle pentagram that we were talking about before,
for me, storm is earth, wind, fire, air,
water. Like, it's everything coming together all at
once. Ether, storm for me, parallel each other.
And
when you can harness
all of the things around you,
you can really create magic. So think about

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it like this. It helped me to, like,
break it down. I am good at this.
This is my skill set. This is what
I've learned. Around me, there are people that
can do this, this, and this.
And I'm going to use all of these
pieces of the puzzle to create my moment
forward. I'm going to ask for a little
bit of help from the right person. I'm
going to
not overextend myself because that's a pointless waste

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of energy during a storm. It's about utilizing
what's around and going forward in
what can feel
selfish
ways.
This is the other thing. Like, when you're
in the eye of the storm, you are
considering yourself and the big picture. Right? You
are at the center of this big picture
and it really helps to be so full
as we've talked about before following what your

(41:07):
gut is telling you. This is the thing
about peter sight. It brings together gut instinct,
intellect,
and action.
These three things, I feel like it really
brings together. And so when you can listen
to your gut, utilize the smarts that you
have because you are smart, you are intelligent,
you're here, you're existing, you've learned things,
Use the chaos and take some risks. Go

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after it. Jump.
Go forward. Step on some toes.
Move through the crowd as you see it
beginning to part. Like, it's really utilizing
that chaos
to create your own order. And you'll see
on the other side of it, there'll be
people still flailing behind you,
and that's fine. You're over there. Like, you've
made your way forward or

(41:48):
you actually go, you know what? This chaos
is a lot, but I'm going to be
here to deal with it. I'm going to
be here to utilize it to rebuild something
else because when the storm comes through,
then you rebuild. You clean and you rebuild.
And it's often a really great chance to,
like,
cull and clear and remove things from your
life. So pedocyte has this amazing energy to

(42:11):
be destructive
where it needs to be, chaotic where it
needs to be, crazy where it needs to
be, and grounded and safe and protected for
you as you're working with it. I think
it's been,
an empower of my own personal kind of
energy, if that makes
sense. Yeah. I love this analogy of, like,

(42:33):
the storm
kind of creating that little bit of chaos
and that mess to clean up, which creates
opportunity. I mean, think about if you had
really let your backyard
get all cluttered up and you have an
old bicycle and you have a, you know,
clothes drying rack, and you have a million
things out there, and the storm comes through

(42:54):
and blows them all over. And, like, maybe
some of that stuff was were some things
that you really needed to clean up a
while ago, And this is just, like, forcing
you to do it. So I really like
that. That's smart.
And the other thing that, like, it
cyclones so my aunt and my uncle dealt
with Cyclone Tracy that was hugely destructive in
the North Of Australia in the seventies.

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What that did
was change
change the way that people build houses
in the tropics. They've started building cycle improved
housing, and it's become this really prevalent amazing
thing that you see when you go up
there into, like, the new estates. You see
these they've got breezeways through the middle of
the houses.
They're built with steel.
They're
that's the other thing. Right? We learn and

(43:37):
we adapt. We go, okay. This is what
happens. Let's grow. Let's adapt. Let's change. Let's
go. Okay. We know that this can happen
again, so we're going to
just reevaluate. We're gonna fix things.
Like, the other time we got caught in
a cyclone, we were actually on holiday
trying to drive to Karajini,
which is a beautiful national park in the

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center of the North Of Australia.
And we got as far as Shark Bay,
which is still, like, a 1,200
kilometers from Perth. Like so you're still above
the Tropic Of Capricorn.
And we get a call from the national
park saying, there is a cyclone coming.
Don't come.
It's going to be flooded out. We then

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get a call from the second caravan park
on the way that we were going to
be staying in saying, don't come. We will
refund you.
The roads are literally going to be cut
off by this cyclone.
Like, that is how big it was. We
were like, okay.
Let's go back down the coast
just a little bit, and we'll reevaluate.
And this is, like, again

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and don't get caught up. Don't get, like,
oh, no. My whole life is, like, breaking
down because I can't go here and I
can't do that. Go, okay. What can we
do instead? Let's go here. And my husband
and I ended up having a wonderful week
on holiday that was really quiet away from
the world because everyone else was hunkered down.
I love that. And it I mean, it
is such intense energy,

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and I think it it reminds us all
of this really powerful force that can happen
out there. And, Adam, I know you wanted
to talk a little bit about how Peter's
site relates to the new moon in Aries,
which is also quite a forceful energy sometimes.
Yeah. I think, you know, this is a
perfect time to be really leaning into this
crystal as this kind of lunar event happens.

(45:24):
You know, just to share one of my
favorite passages that I think really kinda captures
Peter Sykes energy,
really beautifully is the devil whispered, you can't
handle the storm into his ear, to which
the warrior replied, I am the storm. And
I really think that, you know, in this
chaotic world that we have and, you know,

(45:45):
by the time even from recording to this
podcast and vodcast coming out, who knows what's
gonna happen in the world next. We kind
of can get overwhelmed
by the the chaos,
around us. And I think, like, we've all
kind of been alluding to, this is a
really good time to,
embrace the storm.

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But there's also this element with Peter said
I find about there are things we can
control and things we can't control.
And it's amazing. I always think of my
father, you know, in the seventies and the
eighties,
In the morning, he would flick through the
newspaper and see what was happening in the
world, and then he would go to his
office and work for the day with no
knowledge of what was happening in the world

(46:27):
until he watched the 06:00 news at night.
Whereas we're constantly being barraged by things that
are happening all around the world, and we
can get swept up by that.
Why I love Peterside is I think it's
really beautiful for and I wanna zone in
on the power of lightning. I really think
it encompasses that. Now when we think of
lightning, lightning is very deliberate and very powerful.

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So when it comes down to the earth,
it's not like, oh, where should I hit
today? It's like, bang. It knows what it's
doing.
So there are a lot of us in
our lives get overwhelmed by the chaos around
us and can easily get distracted. You know,
an example might be on a Monday morning,
you're like, right. I'm gonna clean out that
laundry cupboard. But I did see some emails
coming on the weekend, so I'll just quickly

(47:09):
deal with them first. So you go check
them out, and there's a few more than
you expected, and then you realize there's a
bill to pay as well.
So that took a little longer and then
you're okay. Laundry covered. Mom calls and then
she bangs on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
So mom finally hangs up.
Feeling a bit hungry, so I better make
some lunch and you're you have you have
your lunch and then that's all good then.

(47:30):
Oh, that's right.
I wanna see Brad Pitt on that talk
show today, so you gotta watch that. And
Monday's disappeared. And Tuesday and Wednesday, and you
get to the end of the week, and
you still haven't actually got to that laundry
cupboard.
I would use Peter's site for focusing on
the things that are important to you. Now
that's really it's really great for keeping it
cool in things like in Christmas time and

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the holiday season when you're trying to find
a car parking spot as well. Just don't
lose your cool.
Now in the context of the new moon
in Aries, which is happening,
Aries is the sign of self awareness,
of coming back to ourselves.
And a lot of the time when Aries
comes around, I talk about, you know, making

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sure that you're giving to yourself and not
worrying about other people. But in this context,
I think that's a really good time to
focus on, well, what can I do in
this chaotic time? How can I be that
storm? And how can I be
an element of change,
firstly, for myself
and keep evolving and growing and progressing?
And two, how can I actually contribute

(48:34):
amongst the chaos to make this world a
better place?
I think sitting with Peter's side, feeling that
electric energy building in and, you know, we've
talked about Ashley gave a great idea for
a grid. We expanded. You could do it
as a laying out grid or, you know,
putting it around the space. And I'd really
build that energy on that new moon in
Aries to go,
how can I

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be this powerful being in the earth on
this earth and
direct energy to my own intentions and looking
after myself
and shining my light in the world and
being a a little bit of positivity
amongst what sometimes ends chaos? And that doesn't
have to be something monumental.
It could just be this resolution of, like,

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I'm not gonna let anyone upset my bliss
and my happiness.
I'm just gonna be nice and smile with
smile and tell jokes to everyone all day
and lift everyone up. But it really helps
you Peter Science is an amazing one and
I really love especially for that focus, the
bluer PETA CITE for really helping you to
focus on what's important to you.

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When it comes to essential oils,
it pairs really beautifully with basil. Now basil
is really great for,
for adrenal fatigue.
And often when we're fatigued,
it's because we're trying to be everything to
everyone.
And the ancient Greeks would actually say that
basil helps to put a scorpion in the
mind.
So can you kind of see these analogies

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of basil
and pitasite
and lightning and scorpion energy?
Very, very directed passion. And that's exactly what
lightning is about. I think it's the perfect
crystal to be working with at the time.
We're still in the midst of a few
different retrogrades that are causing people to have
a few upsets with, you know, communication and
relationships and so on. So I would really

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be leaning into this, Crystal. And if you
haven't got it, you better get yourself down
to the shop very, very quickly.
Absolutely.
I think the more we expand what we're
working with and the more we embrace things
that are, like, challenging energies,
like, exciting powerful energies like petocyte, the more
we can grow. And sorry. You spoke to

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my Sicilian heart, Basil.
You do not need to tell me how
to use basil or when to use basil
or to have an excuse to use basil
at all. But I wanted to throw in
gridding crystal grids. So all of my pettacite
actually lives in a grid with cinnabar,
iolite,
golden rutile,
carnelian,

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and morian quartz.
Those are the crystals that I have with
my pettacite. And I think all of these
things that we've discovered, all of this sort
of chaos for creation and power
and energy.
I think if you have any of those
in your list of crystals,
throw them in and just see what you
get because I have this one grid and
it's got all of them with all of
my Peter site, and I always tap into

(51:20):
it when I need to bring shifts and
changes.
Is that grid good intention or you just
found that they work well together and so
you wanted to house them to get the
car? It was a bit of both. They
the crystals will always tell me who wants
to grid together. I don't ask them. They
do it to start with and I put
them together and then I figure out what
it's going to be Or I do an
intention based one, but this one was like,

(51:42):
let's just put me together. And the coming
together was like, we can make change. We
can make stuff happen. We can really bring
shifts
if you focus. Well, I really hope that
we've empowered everyone to grab their Peter site.
And if you haven't got it, this is
definitely one you need to have in your
collection. I don't think any of us would
dispute that. Go get your Peter site this

(52:03):
week. Have a play with it. Feel that
power raised within you and around you and
go and create a little whirlwind of your
own. We'll be back next week to talk
about another crystal on crystal con fab. Until
then, take care and blessed be