June 27, 2023 • 23 mins
What if the popular assumptions about artificial reefs and fishing licenses are all wrong? Join me, George Scocca, as we strip down the facade surrounding the New York Saltwater Fishing License. Armed with an analytical lens, we'll probe into the early draft, scrutinize its claims, and juxtapose it with similar licenses from other states. Get ready to challenge preconceived notions surrounding the cost of fishing licenses and the usage of the revenue generated.
Ever wondered how enforcement and funding are managed in marine conservation? We'll dissect the proposed budget for the New York Saltwater Fishing License, assessing whether or not those funds could be allocated more efficiently. Furthermore, we'll shine a spotlight on the Marine Resource Advisory Council (MRAC), the gatekeepers of the New York Saltwater Fishing License. Hear about the surprising insights about the members of the MRAC and why it's crucial for you to voice out your opinions on the matter. Together, let's seize this opportunity to enhance our marine environment and our fishing exploits!
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George Scocca (00:00):
Hello everyone, Welcome to the New York Fishing
Podcast.
My name is George Scocca.
This is a special on the NewYork Saltwater Fishing License
which will be in effect as ofnext year.
I got a hold of a preliminarycopy of what they're going to be
(00:22):
surveying and asking folks.
You know they're going to gothrough the process of listening
to everyone's opinion.
Now I've been on this road I'maround this thing for a very,
very long time.
We did have a license, which ispointed out in this paperwork
(00:43):
which I have.
You know this.
Again, this is very early, butyou're going to hear all these
things coming out very, verysoon.
Remember, you heard it firsthere.
I'm telling you you have alicense coming.
So as I look through the firstdraft of what's being circulated
, then I'm not supposed to have.
(01:04):
Actually, I don't think Theymention improved opportunities
for New York recreationalfishing community.
They improve marine fisheriesand management and enforcement.
They improve outreach,education and research and they
(01:25):
provide improved fiscalresources.
So, out of the gate, I want tobe on.
I just want to be upfront.
I am not an ante, Like I'm notan ante anything until I find
(01:45):
out that it's just, you know,going through the motions and
kind of a kind of a, thedecisions already been made and
the money has already been spent.
And I'm afraid that that'swhere we are today, only because
, well, part of the reason isthe respect or the non-respect
(02:07):
we got We received regarding theStripe Asslot Limit.
I mean, it was just boom.
Yes, Groot, Sorry.
Oh, Maine's doing it, Oh,everyone's doing it, But Jersey,
we must do it now.
So now here we are.
They claim that there are onlytwo states on the coast without
(02:31):
a license.
I've yet to confirm that.
Then again, this is early.
So you know what, I'm not evengoing to pick it apart like that
at all, But I do want to pointout some facts.
So they start out withsaltwater fishing facts and how,
(02:53):
like every state except forJersey and New York have a
license and they range from $7to $150 a year to fish, And that
they claim in this You knowearly page that all states with
a fee-based license are enjoyingexpanded recreational fishing
(03:18):
opportunities and improvedmanagement.
I'm sorry, Show me one.
I have a place in Florida.
Everybody thinks, whoa, Floridais so great, They're paying God
knows what probably top end forthat fishing license.
Actually, I do know the number.
(03:39):
Well, I forget what it is whatI pay, But the truth is they
have worse access than we do.
These four guys go out forgrouper and when they get there
they find out they can only keepone or two.
I know I've been on a charterSix people.
(04:01):
The charter itself costs almost$3,000 for the day And we run
out looking for grouper You gettwo fishermen.
So I'm just not sure how wellthey're doing.
(04:21):
Because of the license, First ofall.
I don't think they're doingthat great.
I mean they call there manyseasons They could be out
fishing and boom, it's over.
Redfish, red snapper, snook,whatever it is.
They close it whenever theywant.
(04:42):
So that's just one state.
Look at California.
God knows what that costs.
I fished there one time and Ithink for one day it was $20.
And it took about a half hourfor the guy to explain the
fishing regulations.
I really didn't understand them.
If you caught something onMonday and Tuesday, you weren't
(05:03):
allowed to keep it on Wednesday.
It was the craziest thing.
So please just tell me onestate, just one one that is
benefiting from a license.
They're not Period.
But again, i don't want to bean auntie, but at the same time
(05:28):
I want to call it out for whatit is.
That simply isn't true.
Show me one state and then I'llfeel differently.
So now, as we look down at theother figures that they have on
this chart the numbers all overthe place When we had a license
(05:56):
I don't know we made somewherearound $3 million.
That's what they claim.
The total registry holders inthis state is under half a
million.
So when they tell us we havemillions of anglers killing
(06:17):
millions of fish, how is thatpossible?
The registry says we have500,000.
And what do you think thatnumber is going to go to when
you charge?
Going to go way down.
And as I look through this doc,they admit to it.
You know it starts slow and itbuilds and it builds, but it's
(06:41):
still.
They're talking about $3million.
Okay, so now how should wespend the new revenues?
Now this is the part that killsme.
So artificial reefs?
Okay, great, we all wantartificial reefs.
(07:02):
I personally do not thinkartificial reefs can do anything
to enhance the marine fisheriesthat we have in all waters.
It's just going to become morespots.
That's just covered with amillion boats and they're going
(07:24):
to fish all the fish out of them.
That's how it works.
Go to the Smithtown Reef.
Why don't you go there?
We hear a lot about it.
I'd never seen more than twoboats on a thing and I fish it
all the time.
So, yes, okay, reefs, i'm notgonna argue with it.
Yes, does it make it easier forpeople that can't catch fish
(07:50):
without a place that's made todraw the fish in, cause I don't
believe that artificial reefsare good for fish.
I don't know who could.
I mean, all it does is attractthem.
It's like a giant chump pod.
It really is.
(08:11):
I'm not saying I don't wantthem, but that's what they are.
And to say that that's gonnahelp our fishery is bullshit.
It just is.
It's outright BS.
Now here's number two.
This is the killer increasedenforcement.
Now, for the record, i am a proenforcement person.
(08:36):
If you check my LinkedIn file,you'll find that I have a
foundation for New York Cityfirefighters for over 30 years.
I am pro, pro, lock them up.
But as we look into thisenforcement thing which they're
(08:59):
forcing not forcing, whichthey're recommending we pay for,
here's my feeling.
You're not to agree.
I just want you to know.
This is where I'm coming from.
I'll get into the numbers in aminute about how many we have
and what type of enforcement wehave and what they're looking
(09:21):
for.
But before I get that, i justwant to say this Why should the
recreational angler pay forenforcement of our marine
fisheries?
Are they only enforcingrecreational anglers Or are they
(09:41):
enforcing commercial anglersalso commercial fishermen or
commercial fisheries?
Or is it just wrecks?
Or should we pay to take careof their problem because they're
the problem?
Look, i don't mean they're theproblem, but a poacher is not a
(10:05):
recreational fisherman and weall know it.
He's a poacher.
He's selling fish illegally.
Now you want to increase thisenforcement.
So what?
So I could be boarded more, soI could be harassed while I'm
out on the water trying to enjoya nice day's fishing?
(10:28):
Yeah, i know there's peoplesaying, oh, but you got this,
you got that.
Look at the big picture, Justlook at it.
We all know fishermen, all ofus.
And to think that they're theproblem when our fishing today
and our fisheries today, i don'tbuy it.
(10:49):
I don't buy it.
That is one thing that I do notbelieve recreational anglers
should pay for That should be inthe budget, just like the
police department budget, statepolice department budgets.
It should be in the statebudget.
(11:10):
It should not have anything todo with anglers that are fishing
.
I'm sorry, i do not buy it, solet's keep going.
So yes, they're going to.
I love the idea of the fishingpier.
I gotta tell you, i oftenwonder why New York State does
(11:34):
not have a pier.
I drive from New York toFlorida and back every year.
Every state has two, three,four pieres fishing pier.
They're actually showing theiranglers there that they have
fish And we have the bestfishery with the least access.
So part of this money was goingto go to access.
(11:57):
I could support that Absolutely.
Outreach education kind ofbroad.
For me, that's another thing onthe list.
Improved management data broadagain.
But again I know that you know,or I feel that this is all in
(12:17):
the interest of having a betterfishery.
So I want to talk reefs again.
So I don't want to talk reefs.
But here we go Four new reefs,16 total $500,000 budget.
So that's a couple of milliondollars on reefs.
(12:41):
Then we go.
Now the license is bringing inthree million a year.
This is what they're saying.
You know we had a license onceit got rescinded and whatever.
But they're saying we're gonnabring in three million dollars a
year And then, like I don'tagain.
(13:05):
There's like so many things inhere.
You know what I want to get tothis point.
So you have.
According to the state, theyare covering 2700 miles of
coastline in the Marine andCoastal District, plus three
(13:30):
miles and beyond into the ocean,plus dozens of bays, coves,
rivers, tidal straits, etc.
Then they go on to say thatthey have 10 officers covering
2700 miles of coastline, plusall that other stuff we just
(13:55):
talked about.
Hold on one second, because Ireally don't know the answer and
we're gonna let my digitalfriend here answer.
Alexa, what is the length ofthe southern border of the
United States?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
According to an Alexa answers contributor, the
southern border of the UnitedStates is shared with Mexico and
is approximately 1,933 mileslong.
It begins out to the west atthe Pacific Ocean and continues
to the southern tip of Texaswhere it terminates at the Gulf
of Mexico.
George Scocca (14:33):
Okay.
So there you have it.
It's under 2,000 miles, sowe're talking about an area
bigger than the southern border.
Larger than the southern borderthat's covered by 10 officers.
So now they want you to pay forthe rest of them, and I mean,
(15:00):
if they have 10.
And again, please, i'm proenforcement, but I'm just trying
to be like something that wenever are when it comes to
fisheries management and justmatter of fact, that's what I'm
trying to do right now And again, everything I tell you is a
fact.
(15:20):
I'm reading it directly off thedocument.
I'm sure it's gonna changeafter this, but it literally
says they have 10 officescovering 2,700 miles, which are
and when you add everything elsein, it's probably double that.
(15:41):
And that is the border is 50%less mileage that we're covering
.
So they want us now they'regonna want us to pay for more
enforcement.
Don't fall for it.
I want that poacher locked up,just like the next guy.
(16:03):
I want every single illegalfisherman locked up, just like
the next guy.
But if you got 10 offices andwhat can they do?
10 offices?
it's, it's 50% longer than theborder of the United States,
(16:28):
think about it.
So now they want us to pay.
I don't even know for how many,but I oppose that piece of it.
Everything else not everythingelse, but some of the things I
can go with I'd love to say I'dlove to be a total anti, because
we all know the money is justgonna get eaten up, just like
(16:48):
everything else.
But I can't be because I'm arealist and I know we're getting
one.
It's happening and if you hadany doubt, just look at what
they just do with us with thestriped bass.
So when they talk aboutenforcement, please don't think
(17:12):
about that guy that's catchingbass and putting him in the
trunk of his car.
Is that bad?
Yes, it is, but is it worth twomillion dollars a year?
Because, yes, that's what Ibelieve, that's what it says.
I'm going down here and readingas we go.
(17:34):
They're talking about outreachand how they're gonna talk us
into it, basically, and thenthey talk about the spending
plan.
So let's talk about this for aminute.
So they claim that there'sgonna be three million dollars
annually brought in.
So in 2024 and 2025, they'regonna take a half a million and
(18:01):
they're gonna put that towardsartificial reefs.
Then they're gonna take amillion in 2024 and two million
in 2025 to add five new officers.
That's three million dollars.
(18:24):
So fund five new officers.
So the odds of someone gettingcaught poaching are gonna go
from like I don't know I waslooking at it it's like 0.001%
to 0.00, point.
(18:45):
I don't know.
It's like a long number, itmeans nothing.
It's basically, in my opinion,a waste of money, sadly.
I'd like to see that money gotowards cleaning up all ghost
pots that we have out in themiddle of the Long Island Sound,
which studies have shown thatwe could increase the population
(19:11):
of the overall biomassefficient Long Island Sound by
two to 300%?
No, let's hire another fiveofficers so they could come
after us like, where the problem?
where not the problem.
So now, the next year, this isso they're gonna spend a couple
(19:34):
million.
Then they got a million dollarsfor shore access.
I'm not sure what that's gonnado, but that's great.
I love the ocean fishing pier.
I said that before.
I don't know why we don't haveone.
It's kind of ridiculous,actually, when I think about it.
It's gotta be a money-makingventure.
But you know, the bottom lineis this it's the same old thing.
(19:58):
You gotta look at it.
You have to look at whatthey're trying to do, which is
fine.
We're gonna get the license.
Everybody else has one.
I guess we should have one.
I really don't agree with that,but we're gonna have one.
(20:20):
We are New York, after all, andthe people that are deciding it,
many of them I know.
Again, some of you people maynot know me, but I've been
around a very, very long time.
I've seen it all.
I've done it all.
I've been to every meeting.
I've been to Albany, i'vepassed bills.
I've done a lot.
(20:41):
And when I look at the advisorygroup that is in charge of this
thing, i mean it's fair.
There's so many people therethat I know almost every single
one of them.
In fact I do know well, I don'tknow this nature conservancy
(21:04):
Carl Guy.
I never met him, but everyoneelse I know and I feel that
they're open to discussion.
But I also feel that they'reeasily not easily persuaded.
But I feel some of them alreadyhave their decisions made And
(21:26):
I'm not gonna name everyone, butit's very easy to find.
They're on the Marine ResourceAdvisory Council.
They're all members.
You can look them up easilyonline.
If you have something to say, ifyou have an opinion, you gotta
let them know.
(21:47):
So here you go.
You heard it first here.
I understand it's gonna bebreaking in all the magazines
and all over the place next week, but you heard it from me the
day Hockel took over, so Iappreciate all the support that
(22:09):
I've been getting.
I'm gonna stand top.
It is Again, i'm not an anti, iknow what's happening.
I just feel like we need to getsomething out of this and please
do not fall for thisenforcement thing.
Don't fall for it, because whatthey do is they point out, they
(22:31):
say recreation Anglers feellike there's not enough
enforcement.
There isn't and there can't be.
So just like let's let thatpiece go And let's think about
what we can do to make thingsbetter in the overall marine
environment and in our overallability to catch fish.
(22:56):
Well, i'll be back as soon as Iknow what's new, what's changed
, because I'm sure this is gonnabe a moving target.
But again, you heard it firsthere The license is in full
motion and you will have one in2024.
Hello everyone, Welcome to the New York Fishing
Podcast.
My name is George Scocca.
This is a special on the NewYork Saltwater Fishing License
which will be in effect as ofnext year.
I got a hold of a preliminarycopy of what they're going to be
(00:22):
surveying and asking folks.
You know they're going to gothrough the process of listening
to everyone's opinion.
Now I've been on this road I'maround this thing for a very,
very long time.
We did have a license, which ispointed out in this paperwork
(00:43):
which I have.
You know this.
Again, this is very early, butyou're going to hear all these
things coming out very, verysoon.
Remember, you heard it firsthere.
I'm telling you you have alicense coming.
So as I look through the firstdraft of what's being circulated
, then I'm not supposed to have.
(01:04):
Actually, I don't think Theymention improved opportunities
for New York recreationalfishing community.
They improve marine fisheriesand management and enforcement.
They improve outreach,education and research and they
(01:25):
provide improved fiscalresources.
So, out of the gate, I want tobe on.
I just want to be upfront.
I am not an ante, Like I'm notan ante anything until I find
(01:45):
out that it's just, you know,going through the motions and
kind of a kind of a, thedecisions already been made and
the money has already been spent.
And I'm afraid that that'swhere we are today, only because
, well, part of the reason isthe respect or the non-respect
(02:07):
we got We received regarding theStripe Asslot Limit.
I mean, it was just boom.
Yes, Groot, Sorry.
Oh, Maine's doing it, Oh,everyone's doing it, But Jersey,
we must do it now.
So now here we are.
They claim that there are onlytwo states on the coast without
(02:31):
a license.
I've yet to confirm that.
Then again, this is early.
So you know what, I'm not evengoing to pick it apart like that
at all, But I do want to pointout some facts.
So they start out withsaltwater fishing facts and how,
(02:53):
like every state except forJersey and New York have a
license and they range from $7to $150 a year to fish, And that
they claim in this You knowearly page that all states with
a fee-based license are enjoyingexpanded recreational fishing
(03:18):
opportunities and improvedmanagement.
I'm sorry, Show me one.
I have a place in Florida.
Everybody thinks, whoa, Floridais so great, They're paying God
knows what probably top end forthat fishing license.
Actually, I do know the number.
(03:39):
Well, I forget what it is whatI pay, But the truth is they
have worse access than we do.
These four guys go out forgrouper and when they get there
they find out they can only keepone or two.
I know I've been on a charterSix people.
(04:01):
The charter itself costs almost$3,000 for the day And we run
out looking for grouper You gettwo fishermen.
So I'm just not sure how wellthey're doing.
(04:21):
Because of the license, First ofall.
I don't think they're doingthat great.
I mean they call there manyseasons They could be out
fishing and boom, it's over.
Redfish, red snapper, snook,whatever it is.
They close it whenever theywant.
(04:42):
So that's just one state.
Look at California.
God knows what that costs.
I fished there one time and Ithink for one day it was $20.
And it took about a half hourfor the guy to explain the
fishing regulations.
I really didn't understand them.
If you caught something onMonday and Tuesday, you weren't
(05:03):
allowed to keep it on Wednesday.
It was the craziest thing.
So please just tell me onestate, just one one that is
benefiting from a license.
They're not Period.
But again, i don't want to bean auntie, but at the same time
(05:28):
I want to call it out for whatit is.
That simply isn't true.
Show me one state and then I'llfeel differently.
So now, as we look down at theother figures that they have on
this chart the numbers all overthe place When we had a license
(05:56):
I don't know we made somewherearound $3 million.
That's what they claim.
The total registry holders inthis state is under half a
million.
So when they tell us we havemillions of anglers killing
(06:17):
millions of fish, how is thatpossible?
The registry says we have500,000.
And what do you think thatnumber is going to go to when
you charge?
Going to go way down.
And as I look through this doc,they admit to it.
You know it starts slow and itbuilds and it builds, but it's
(06:41):
still.
They're talking about $3million.
Okay, so now how should wespend the new revenues?
Now this is the part that killsme.
So artificial reefs?
Okay, great, we all wantartificial reefs.
(07:02):
I personally do not thinkartificial reefs can do anything
to enhance the marine fisheriesthat we have in all waters.
It's just going to become morespots.
That's just covered with amillion boats and they're going
(07:24):
to fish all the fish out of them.
That's how it works.
Go to the Smithtown Reef.
Why don't you go there?
We hear a lot about it.
I'd never seen more than twoboats on a thing and I fish it
all the time.
So, yes, okay, reefs, i'm notgonna argue with it.
Yes, does it make it easier forpeople that can't catch fish
(07:50):
without a place that's made todraw the fish in, cause I don't
believe that artificial reefsare good for fish.
I don't know who could.
I mean, all it does is attractthem.
It's like a giant chump pod.
It really is.
(08:11):
I'm not saying I don't wantthem, but that's what they are.
And to say that that's gonnahelp our fishery is bullshit.
It just is.
It's outright BS.
Now here's number two.
This is the killer increasedenforcement.
Now, for the record, i am a proenforcement person.
(08:36):
If you check my LinkedIn file,you'll find that I have a
foundation for New York Cityfirefighters for over 30 years.
I am pro, pro, lock them up.
But as we look into thisenforcement thing which they're
(08:59):
forcing not forcing, whichthey're recommending we pay for,
here's my feeling.
You're not to agree.
I just want you to know.
This is where I'm coming from.
I'll get into the numbers in aminute about how many we have
and what type of enforcement wehave and what they're looking
(09:21):
for.
But before I get that, i justwant to say this Why should the
recreational angler pay forenforcement of our marine
fisheries?
Are they only enforcingrecreational anglers Or are they
(09:41):
enforcing commercial anglersalso commercial fishermen or
commercial fisheries?
Or is it just wrecks?
Or should we pay to take careof their problem because they're
the problem?
Look, i don't mean they're theproblem, but a poacher is not a
(10:05):
recreational fisherman and weall know it.
He's a poacher.
He's selling fish illegally.
Now you want to increase thisenforcement.
So what?
So I could be boarded more, soI could be harassed while I'm
out on the water trying to enjoya nice day's fishing?
(10:28):
Yeah, i know there's peoplesaying, oh, but you got this,
you got that.
Look at the big picture, Justlook at it.
We all know fishermen, all ofus.
And to think that they're theproblem when our fishing today
and our fisheries today, i don'tbuy it.
(10:49):
I don't buy it.
That is one thing that I do notbelieve recreational anglers
should pay for That should be inthe budget, just like the
police department budget, statepolice department budgets.
It should be in the statebudget.
(11:10):
It should not have anything todo with anglers that are fishing
.
I'm sorry, i do not buy it, solet's keep going.
So yes, they're going to.
I love the idea of the fishingpier.
I gotta tell you, i oftenwonder why New York State does
(11:34):
not have a pier.
I drive from New York toFlorida and back every year.
Every state has two, three,four pieres fishing pier.
They're actually showing theiranglers there that they have
fish And we have the bestfishery with the least access.
So part of this money was goingto go to access.
(11:57):
I could support that Absolutely.
Outreach education kind ofbroad.
For me, that's another thing onthe list.
Improved management data broadagain.
But again I know that you know,or I feel that this is all in
(12:17):
the interest of having a betterfishery.
So I want to talk reefs again.
So I don't want to talk reefs.
But here we go Four new reefs,16 total $500,000 budget.
So that's a couple of milliondollars on reefs.
(12:41):
Then we go.
Now the license is bringing inthree million a year.
This is what they're saying.
You know we had a license onceit got rescinded and whatever.
But they're saying we're gonnabring in three million dollars a
year And then, like I don'tagain.
(13:05):
There's like so many things inhere.
You know what I want to get tothis point.
So you have.
According to the state, theyare covering 2700 miles of
coastline in the Marine andCoastal District, plus three
(13:30):
miles and beyond into the ocean,plus dozens of bays, coves,
rivers, tidal straits, etc.
Then they go on to say thatthey have 10 officers covering
2700 miles of coastline, plusall that other stuff we just
(13:55):
talked about.
Hold on one second, because Ireally don't know the answer and
we're gonna let my digitalfriend here answer.
Alexa, what is the length ofthe southern border of the
United States?
Speaker 2 (14:14):
According to an Alexa answers contributor, the
southern border of the UnitedStates is shared with Mexico and
is approximately 1,933 mileslong.
It begins out to the west atthe Pacific Ocean and continues
to the southern tip of Texaswhere it terminates at the Gulf
of Mexico.
George Scocca (14:33):
Okay.
So there you have it.
It's under 2,000 miles, sowe're talking about an area
bigger than the southern border.
Larger than the southern borderthat's covered by 10 officers.
So now they want you to pay forthe rest of them, and I mean,
(15:00):
if they have 10.
And again, please, i'm proenforcement, but I'm just trying
to be like something that wenever are when it comes to
fisheries management and justmatter of fact, that's what I'm
trying to do right now And again, everything I tell you is a
fact.
(15:20):
I'm reading it directly off thedocument.
I'm sure it's gonna changeafter this, but it literally
says they have 10 officescovering 2,700 miles, which are
and when you add everything elsein, it's probably double that.
(15:41):
And that is the border is 50%less mileage that we're covering
.
So they want us now they'regonna want us to pay for more
enforcement.
Don't fall for it.
I want that poacher locked up,just like the next guy.
(16:03):
I want every single illegalfisherman locked up, just like
the next guy.
But if you got 10 offices andwhat can they do?
10 offices?
it's, it's 50% longer than theborder of the United States,
(16:28):
think about it.
So now they want us to pay.
I don't even know for how many,but I oppose that piece of it.
Everything else not everythingelse, but some of the things I
can go with I'd love to say I'dlove to be a total anti, because
we all know the money is justgonna get eaten up, just like
(16:48):
everything else.
But I can't be because I'm arealist and I know we're getting
one.
It's happening and if you hadany doubt, just look at what
they just do with us with thestriped bass.
So when they talk aboutenforcement, please don't think
(17:12):
about that guy that's catchingbass and putting him in the
trunk of his car.
Is that bad?
Yes, it is, but is it worth twomillion dollars a year?
Because, yes, that's what Ibelieve, that's what it says.
I'm going down here and readingas we go.
(17:34):
They're talking about outreachand how they're gonna talk us
into it, basically, and thenthey talk about the spending
plan.
So let's talk about this for aminute.
So they claim that there'sgonna be three million dollars
annually brought in.
So in 2024 and 2025, they'regonna take a half a million and
(18:01):
they're gonna put that towardsartificial reefs.
Then they're gonna take amillion in 2024 and two million
in 2025 to add five new officers.
That's three million dollars.
(18:24):
So fund five new officers.
So the odds of someone gettingcaught poaching are gonna go
from like I don't know I waslooking at it it's like 0.001%
to 0.00, point.
(18:45):
I don't know.
It's like a long number, itmeans nothing.
It's basically, in my opinion,a waste of money, sadly.
I'd like to see that money gotowards cleaning up all ghost
pots that we have out in themiddle of the Long Island Sound,
which studies have shown thatwe could increase the population
(19:11):
of the overall biomassefficient Long Island Sound by
two to 300%?
No, let's hire another fiveofficers so they could come
after us like, where the problem?
where not the problem.
So now, the next year, this isso they're gonna spend a couple
(19:34):
million.
Then they got a million dollarsfor shore access.
I'm not sure what that's gonnado, but that's great.
I love the ocean fishing pier.
I said that before.
I don't know why we don't haveone.
It's kind of ridiculous,actually, when I think about it.
It's gotta be a money-makingventure.
But you know, the bottom lineis this it's the same old thing.
(19:58):
You gotta look at it.
You have to look at whatthey're trying to do, which is
fine.
We're gonna get the license.
Everybody else has one.
I guess we should have one.
I really don't agree with that,but we're gonna have one.
(20:20):
We are New York, after all, andthe people that are deciding it,
many of them I know.
Again, some of you people maynot know me, but I've been
around a very, very long time.
I've seen it all.
I've done it all.
I've been to every meeting.
I've been to Albany, i'vepassed bills.
I've done a lot.
(20:41):
And when I look at the advisorygroup that is in charge of this
thing, i mean it's fair.
There's so many people therethat I know almost every single
one of them.
In fact I do know well, I don'tknow this nature conservancy
(21:04):
Carl Guy.
I never met him, but everyoneelse I know and I feel that
they're open to discussion.
But I also feel that they'reeasily not easily persuaded.
But I feel some of them alreadyhave their decisions made And
(21:26):
I'm not gonna name everyone, butit's very easy to find.
They're on the Marine ResourceAdvisory Council.
They're all members.
You can look them up easilyonline.
If you have something to say, ifyou have an opinion, you gotta
let them know.
(21:47):
So here you go.
You heard it first here.
I understand it's gonna bebreaking in all the magazines
and all over the place next week, but you heard it from me the
day Hockel took over, so Iappreciate all the support that
(22:09):
I've been getting.
I'm gonna stand top.
It is Again, i'm not an anti, iknow what's happening.
I just feel like we need to getsomething out of this and please
do not fall for thisenforcement thing.
Don't fall for it, because whatthey do is they point out, they
(22:31):
say recreation Anglers feellike there's not enough
enforcement.
There isn't and there can't be.
So just like let's let thatpiece go And let's think about
what we can do to make thingsbetter in the overall marine
environment and in our overallability to catch fish.
(22:56):
Well, i'll be back as soon as Iknow what's new, what's changed
, because I'm sure this is gonnabe a moving target.
But again, you heard it firsthere The license is in full
motion and you will have one in2024.
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