September 11, 2023 • 42 mins
Ever found yourself swarmed by black flies while out fishing, wishing you had a better bug spray? Well, I, George Scocca, recently stumbled upon a game-changing repellent during my fishing expedition off Jones Inlet. I'll be revealing the magic spray in this episode of the New York Fishing Podcast. The adventure didn’t stop there - the lack of fluke and sea bass, and the increasing instances of shark depredation added the perfect twist to my journey. And yes, there's a discussion about the soon-to-be-enacted shark act.
Now, imagine the thrill of paddleboard fishing in the sea off Madison, Connecticut. You're balancing on a board, battling the waves, and just when you least expect it, you hook a shark. Your adrenaline spikes, and you're caught in an hour-long struggle to reel in this beast. You're not going to believe my jaw-dropping encounter with a shark while paddleboarding, or my wild experience at the bluefish tournament.
We end the episode exploring rig fishing, the newest trend that's making waves - literally and figuratively. You'll get an insider's look at the rig, the types of sharks that lurk near it, and tips to navigate this adventure safely. Join me as we unmask Eddie, a talented angler, and his innovations in the New York Fishery. I'll also keep you informed about the latest license regulations. Strap in for an episode packed with fishing tales, tips, and much more! Don't forget to subscribe and stay tuned!
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George Scocca (00:00):
Hello Anglers, this is George Scocca, and
you're listening to the New YorkFishing Podcast Brought to you
by NYAnglercom.
That's NYAnglercom, your secretspot online, so I'm going to
talk about the fluke fishingthat we've seen just for a few
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minutes.
Tell you about my outings.
I went out against south ofJones, hitting some Rocky bottom
out there, and in the lastepisode, I talked about how,
every time we dropped, we had afight and we had a fish on.
Well, here we are.
We have this gorgeous day itwas Wednesday and we head out
(00:52):
Flat com Seas beautiful sunrise.
I have a photo of it on theNYAnglercom website.
It was just.
Everything was lining up.
We get out there there's hardlyanyone on the grounds, and we're
like we own the place, getready, so we start fishing, and
(01:15):
immediately they start biting,and I mean biting hard.
Unfortunately, though, it wasnot fluke that was biting, it
was black flies, and it was like101 degrees, with no wind, and
the wind we had was wind againsttide, and the long and the
short of it is I found the bestbug spray repellent I've ever
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used.
It's all natural.
I don't make a dime on this.
I'm not trying to sell anything, but this stuff is called
Captain Ron's Bug Spray and I'mtelling you we were using that
deep wood stuff and everythingand those flies were still
chewing through us Westchester.
(02:02):
Steve was smart enough to wearhis long pants.
I was, you know, I'm thinkingit's gonna be 95 if I was in
shorts.
I was getting eaten alive.
And then Pete breaks out thisstuff from a mutual friend who
had recommended it to him and henever used it.
Long story short, the stuff isgreat, it smells good, it's all
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natural.
But the thing is those flieswould not land on my legs as
long as I had some stuff on me.
They would all on my shorts butthey wouldn't bite me.
So getting back to the fishing,it kind of was disappointing in
that in my mind.
Look, I don't know the areahalf as well as the man I'm
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fishing with.
I mean, this guy knows thatarea and he knows it well.
But the way I see it, where wewere fishing, at least those
fish, when we had that big bitelast week, we were kind of
staging and then we had thatsupermoon come in and the storm
came up the coast and it didn'tdirect, you know, affect us
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directly.
But when you listen to reportscoming in from Montauk and you
know all around.
Yes, fluke are being caught,but I think those fish have
moved out.
Pete says they haven't, so I'mgoing with him or not, that they
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haven't, he's just not sold, Idon't know.
We caught a couple dogfish.
We had almost no shorts.
We ended up with three keepers.
Pete had a nice fish, of course, like always.
He had a five pounder, which Ihad is unbelievable, but there
were very few fish caught.
But with that said, if you wereto check the fishing report
(03:53):
section on NY Angler, you'd seethat our good friend Jimmy Furch
, he had some really nice fishyesterday and he had a seven and
a half pounder.
So look, the season's open tillOctober 1st, you know.
Hopefully there'll be around.
The other thing that'ssurprising me is the lack of sea
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bass out there.
You know we've seen so many butwe just aren't seeing them this
year.
Well, at least over there, Iknow on a North Fork, it's
starting to happen and it willhappen.
But yeah, so that's kind of myreport for the week.
(04:36):
So I'm going to mention just afew things about the saltwater
license every single episodeuntil we have one.
I do want to talk about it Incase you didn't hear and you
know me, I'm on top of thisthing and I know I didn't hear
there was a hearing On assaultwhat a license.
(04:59):
The other day down at DEC overin Kings Park, and it was about
the license and no one showed up.
That's what I heard.
I could be wrong, but I heardthat not a single person showed
up.
Did you know about it?
Because I didn't, and if Ididn't I don't think you did.
(05:21):
The other thing I want tomention is I know that the DEC
is going to the tackle shops.
They're reaching out to theindustry For you to put out
surveys on this sort.
What a license.
Now, look, I'm not tellinganybody what to do, but you know
(05:46):
, I don't see how.
I know, if I owned a tackleshop I would not want to put
them out.
But that's just my feelings.
So you guys out there, rememberyou don't have to.
It's nice if you do.
I don't know.
They're kind of picking andchoosing.
I'd rather see them promotingthis license on social media.
(06:10):
Why is everything so hush hush?
And you know why didn't we knowabout this?
I mean, yes, it was on somekind of a printed flyer that
they handed out.
Anybody read a print to flylately.
I know I haven't.
Okay, so that's it on thelicense this week.
I have one thing you knowthere's never a shortage of
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fisheries management stories,right, I know a lot of you
people like to hear these things.
But I just want to educate youon things not that I'm smarter
than you, because, trust me,these things come up every day.
There's something else and, incase you haven't noticed, there
have been many instances and itseems to be I increasing every
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single year and that's the newterm in fisheries management,
which is shark depredation.
So what that is is when a shark, when you're fighting a fish, a
shark comes up and eats a fish,kills a fish.
Now there is an act called theshark act, supporting the health
(07:21):
of aquatic systems throughresearch, knowledge and enhanced
dialogue, the shark act, andit's put out.
I mean it's not passed oranything, it's just a bill
that's out there and I will notethis bill is supported by, like
, everybody, from the ASA to theNMMA, to, I mean, everybody,
(07:45):
cca, all the big organization,teddy Roosevelt Organization,
all these people support thisbill.
So I guess there's somethingthere I'm missing, but I, you
know, I want to throw it outthere and see what you think.
I'd like to get some feedback,if I can, from you on this,
because you're going to see thismore and more and more.
(08:05):
So this act, I think, is a veryimportant part of the process.
So this act aims to protectmarine ecosystems from shark
deputation by establishing atask force to work within
fisheries management groups toaddress the problems posed by
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increased shark depredation andidentify research and funding
opportunities for improving theconditions.
It here's another one.
The act also seeks to improvethe environment of marine life
and sport fishing conditions.
How many times are we going tohave an act to do all these
things right?
(08:45):
The other thing is I'm curiouswhy we need such an act.
What are they going to do?
How can can they stop it?
No, it's totally impossible tostop.
It's been happening forever.
I mean, go fish out in Alaskaand see what happens when you
hook up into a salmon and you'vegot a couple of sea lions
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around or even a halibut.
I've been there and I've had a.
I pulled in a halibut with hugechunks taken out of their sides
.
Actually it was a lot easier toreel the fish in.
But yeah, sure, I mean this ishappening and the thing that
gets me is I don't know what canthey do.
What can they do?
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Can they stop it?
No, are they going to teach thesharks not to bite fish that
are on a fishing line?
No, the other.
The other point is do theythink that the sharks just
started eating?
And what I mean by that is yeah,sure, they're eating a striped
bass on a line, but they'redoing that because it's easier,
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not because they have to, and Ibelieve this is just an
evolution.
That's gone on and on and theyfigured it out.
They're not the only speciesthat does this.
I was out snapper fishing outin Florida and we had these huge
amberjack 20, 25 poundamberjack and if you hooked a
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yellowtail and you didn't crankthat sucker in like as fast as
you could, you were losing thatfish.
In fact, we were countingtotals of who caught the most
fish and we actually countedhaves.
So in fact I won one bite ahalf of a fish.
So this is something that'sgoing on and there's nothing I
mean there's nothing you can doabout it.
(10:36):
Do we need another branch offisheries management?
People jumping in on this?
I mean, this thing is going tocost money.
They want every coastal stateto have shark biologists and all
these different things.
I don't see any other way to dothat.
They're just going to go eatanother fish.
It's not like they're noteating or they're killing more
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fish.
You see, here's my fear.
A bill like this should passopens the door to a fish, a fish
that has a fish in it, which isa fish that has a fish in it, a
fish that has a fish in it, afish that has a fish in it.
And then the door to suddenlyinclude a new category against
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the recreational angler.
That's my fear.
So they're going to kind ofcome in and say you know what?
20,000 striped bass were killedby sharks last year, according
to our numbers.
So we need to add that to therecreational fishery.
That's what I think is coming.
I don't know what they, whatcan they do?
Are they going to I don't knowput up nets, block sharks from
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coming in?
Are they going to send thesharks to school and teach them
not to bite off a fishing line?
Look, if a shark is around andthey see an easy meal, they're
grabbing it, and I don'tunderstand what such a bill like
this would have to do withhelping any of it.
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I mean, okay, they're eatinghalf a fish.
What else do we need to know?
And later on in this show we'regoing to be speaking with a
gentleman who came face to facewith a shark from a paddleboard
fishing, so it should be prettyinteresting to get his take on
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the shark situation.
So yeah, it's been quite aseason so far, and I mean you
know I should mention thebluefin tuna action in shore has
been off the hook, no punintended.
I've seen anglers that havecaught some huge fish less than
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25 miles from Joenton, less than30 miles from Pire Island.
Also huge numbers of albacore.
When we were out Fluke in, wehad them.
Well, we saw it.
We didn't have them, we wereconcentrating on fluke but we
saw them all around.
People were picking them and wealso Saw a bunch of dolphins
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out there which we'd never seenand I'm trying to think that
would be were.
There were a couple other weirdhappenings.
I don't know if I mentioned wehad the dog fish and couple sea
robb in this, but that was it.
It was slow, we had the threekeepers, but you know, all in
all we were fishing was a goodday.
I mean, we got back to the boatfive o'clock and was Freakin.
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Well, four o'clock is likefreaking hundred degrees.
There we are, these three oldmen scrubbing down a boat and
sometimes at that point I'malmost happy we're just playing
it.
A half a dozen fish or whatever.
I shouldn't say that, but it'strue.
So let's move on to anothersubject.
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On the tackle front my goodfriend John Skinner.
His new dark, madder spinningrod is out.
It's an inshore rod, it's aseven footer medium power fast
action and it's rated for oneeighth to one ounce lures.
So Johnny boys got another rodout there, if I'm sure it'll be
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as successful as the others.
I watched the video With himusing the rod.
You know we will buy one hereat New York Angler and put it
through, put it through the test.
But you know John's got hisname on it.
I'm sure that it's a good rodand you can read more about it
(15:03):
at New York angler.
com
Sponge Bob and Joe Biden (15:11):
And what is killing all of the
whales?
No, no, no, no.
We're not killing whales.
This one is on to Bob Killingany whales.
We are saving the earth.
Whales just happen to be dying.
(15:32):
There's nothing to see here.
Move on.
George Scocca (15:35):
I would like to welcome Eddie Carroll, who's
here today to speak with usAbout his adventures while
fishing the world's greatestbluefish tournament, the WICC
Big bluefish tournament, andhe's also going to talk about
some new method of fishing thathe's been doing that I really
(16:03):
have a lot of Interest in.
So, eddie, please introduceyourself and tell us what kind
of fishing you do and how oldfish.
Eddie Carroll (16:12):
Awesome, yeah, hey, george, thanks for having
me on.
I really appreciate youreaching out.
I'm excited to share my storyand talk a little bit about what
I do for fishing here in thesound and what I grew up doing
and how I got so comfortable, Iguess, on my paddleboard that
thing is like, just so you know,yeah, I watch people on
(16:34):
paddleboards.
George Scocca (16:34):
I always said what are they doing Standing up?
And then I saw it like videosof people fishing on them and
I'm like they're holding on to arod and fishes cruising or
taking them around.
I'm like, oh, I don't know, notmany people do that here, but I
guess you do, huh.
Eddie Carroll (16:50):
Yeah, I grew up, you know, on the water In
Madison, connecticut, and alittle beach community on the
middle of three boys.
Yeah, we During summers wouldwake up first thing in the
morning and be at the beach tillsundown, so I have a great
appreciation for the sound it's.
You know, one of my favoritethings on earth to do is to get
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out there and you know I do goout on my paddleboard Solo.
I just have found it hard tocoordinate those trips with
people that don't have the samepassion for it as I do.
George Scocca (17:23):
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (17:25):
Yeah, yeah.
George Scocca (17:27):
I know you're not getting me to go.
I'll tell you how much I I'mbeing a boot next to you, but
yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah.
So explain it a little bit.
Hey, you know, had you end upgetting into this type of
fishing, or there are a lot ofpeople that do it.
I mean, do we need to add a newboard to the New York angler
(17:48):
site?
Oh, by the way, I want to makeit clear that I'm also a sound
guy.
Across the pond, as we say herein Long Island, yeah, I fish.
I keep my boat on an offshore,so we're fishing basically the
same waters.
Eddie Carroll (18:02):
Awesome, yeah, I mean it's a beautiful place to
fish and get on the water.
You know it's different thanthe actual open ocean a lot of
ways, but seems like more andmore some of the big big
creatures are making their wayback into the sound, like
historically there's records ofthem being here, oh, which is,
yeah, I think, from likeecological standpoint it's
(18:24):
definitely a good thing.
But you know how I got intokayak fishing.
I mean, padaboard fishing is Istarted packing fishing from a
young age, you know, early teens.
I was probably going out theresolo or with my friends and you
know, strap all my gear on there, got pretty comfortable, and
(18:44):
then paddleboards came out,probably around 10 years ago or
so.
I quickly adapted to thepaddleboard and got really
comfortable on there and Istarted strapping my gear onto
the paddleboard and going outthat way.
So I take a milk crate and Istarted with just bungees.
(19:05):
Now I have actual, you know,crank straps, which have been a
good change for me.
I have a milk crate with mytackle Pull holders and a bucket
and cooler and a small buffermaker.
That's really just of it.
George Scocca (19:19):
Wow, you're gonna have to send me some photos so
I can post them up with thisinterview.
It's it.
I don't know, the whole thingsounds a little nuts, but I
guess it's really.
You know it's just, it's justanother, you know another way
for you to get to the fish.
And you know, I mean I get.
I mean I can't see ever seemyself doing it, like I said
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before, but it looks like itcould be a good time.
So so you've adopted, you'vemade you kind of, you know, made
up your own Tackled situation.
You know tackle box and allthat.
I guess eventually they'regonna be coming out with all
kinds of stuff you can rig on apaddleboard, similar to what
they did, you know, with kayakswhen they first came yeah, you
(20:05):
know, I've seen it.
Eddie Carroll (20:06):
Yeah, I've seen it more and more like on social
media and everything.
They're making custom boardsfor fishing and strapping our
gear on there.
You know, I think it's allgreat, Um, and you know, if
you're comfortable doing it,it's certainly certain risks,
obviously balance, and you knowwhat you run into out there.
(20:26):
So, making sure you haveexperience and respect for for
getting out there on a paddleboard but like the visibility
maneuverability, being able toaccess your tackle deal with
your poles and fish, Um, andjust being able to like.
What I love about it is I don'tbuy bait typically at the store,
like I go out there andsometimes half the time I'm
(20:47):
looking for bait, um, to snackfresh, fresh bait and get on
fish.
So from a visibility standpointit's it's helpful with that and
like in a kayak, you're in thecockpit and you got to turn
around and it puts you inawkward positions and you know,
even just changing your hook oryour lure is difficult, Um, so
(21:07):
the paddle board really has beena huge change in in my fishing,
Um, and I'm out there typicallyfishing for striped bass.
That's my main goal.
I do throw my hat and ring forthe blue fish tournament.
Um right, and yeah, this year Ihad quite a wild experience
with it, so yeah.
George Scocca (21:25):
So one.
But before we get into that,I'd like to.
I mean, don't you need like areally calm sea in order to take
that?
I mean don't I'm picturing likeanything over a glass.
You're kind of getting thrownaround.
Eddie Carroll (21:41):
Am I wrong about that, or Uh, yeah, I mean,
obviously conditions are a bigfactor for whether or not I'm
even going out there, Right?
Um, so it's definitelysomething to keep in mind.
Uh, I've learned trying not topush or work against.
You know the nature and theconditions out there.
Um, glasses, ideal, you knowyou can get away with some chop.
(22:05):
Uh, heavy winds can be annoying.
The anchor has been good, so ifit is like heavy drift days, I
can kind of, you know, paddlethrough my anchor down fish and
not, you know, travel over amile or whatever, just with a
current and wind.
George Scocca (22:16):
So yeah, you're bringing in an anchor too.
Oh, my God Anyway.
Eddie Carroll (22:21):
Yeah.
George Scocca (22:21):
All right.
So tell us about, uh, thefamous, uh, blue fish tournament
.
So you went into the WICCtournament and I'm sure I don't
have to explain that to anyone.
It's kind of been around longerthan me in this game, so, um,
but I can remember a time whenit took a 20 pound fish to win
(22:42):
that tournament.
I'm not sure what it was.
We this year although I know wehad some big blues in the sound
, but, um, yeah, I'm not sure.
A lot of blues, yeah, I'm notsure what the winner was.
But so tell us, tell ouraudience what happened.
Um, I think it was your secondday fishing.
Second day fishing.
Eddie Carroll (23:03):
Yeah, so, um, um, yeah, day one was a good day
for me.
Actually, it's my mom'sbirthday weekend and my cousin,
my mom's an identical twin, so Ihad commitments in the
afternoon.
I was only playing and I go outin the mornings.
Sponge Bob and Joe Biden (23:17):
Um so, day one I caught a good size
blue.
Eddie Carroll (23:22):
I honestly, uh, thought it would be on the
leaderboard, you know, probablymiddle top 10.
It was a good size fish.
I don't have a scale oranything out there, but I knew
it was big enough to maybe geton the board, which was exciting
.
Uh, it's a little disappointedby the weight.
It was 36 inches and onlyweighed in at 11 pounds.
Even yeah, here's how we, yeahhe was.
(23:45):
You know he did have a hook inhis mouth and some braid in
there, so passing his hisfeeding.
Um, but yeah I knew I needed totry and get someone bigger day
too, to actually make it on theboard, which was my goal for the
year.
Um, I went out there with thatmindset big.
I was on the water by six AMand, uh, caught a fresh porgy
(24:06):
and he used that for bait.
And it wasn't too long after Igot the, the fresh bait, um,
that I hooked into the shark.
Um, you know, right away I knewit was a very big fish the way
it started now taking line.
So how far?
How far are you?
George Scocca (24:25):
from shore when this happens?
Eddie Carroll (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, are you familiar with Madison at all
, or?
George Scocca (24:35):
not really, but what would you say?
I mean, how deep were youfishing?
Eddie Carroll (24:39):
Yeah, it wasn't overwhelmingly deep.
The tide was probably close todead low at the time, so I went
a little further out.
I was probably a half mileoffshore maybe Okay yeah, a few
hundred yards, if people arefamiliar with the area it's far
out of paddleboard yeah.
(24:59):
Past Tuxas Island, which is aeasy market for people that know
the area here yeah, so I wasmoderately far out just because
I knew the tide was dead low andI was trying to get a bigger
blizzard in day one.
George Scocca (25:15):
Right, right, and you'd have the incoming tide so
it wouldn't be too hard to getback in.
Yeah, okay.
Eddie Carroll (25:24):
Yeah, but when I hooked into it I knew it was big
.
It took almost all my line atthe beginning where I had to
slow it down with my thumb onthe reel and I finally slowed it
down.
It was pulling me with themustermanker while it was taking
line.
Oh my God, For a good while.
George Scocca (25:47):
Were you thinking for a minute?
Actually, this happened to meonce, but were you thinking for
a minute?
I think I have $25,000 on theline and then all of a sudden,
you're like there's no way, it'sgoing to be a bluefish.
Eddie Carroll (26:01):
Yeah.
So for a few minutes I wasthinking if this is a bluefish,
this is going to be what Iwanted, it's going to put me on
the board and maybe even win.
If it had been a blue which Ididn't know pretty much until I
took the video that the way andwhat it was exactly.
But after a little while, howmuch line it's taking a blue
(26:26):
typically would breach, youwould see it, my jumper at least
come up to the surface andshake around a bit.
So then, after I didn't see that, for a little bit I was
thinking maybe it's a giantstriped bass, maybe world record
or at least personal best withthe way it was Right.
George Scocca (26:48):
Right, right.
Eddie Carroll (26:51):
But yeah, I ended up gaining some line back and I
knew the chance of me losingthe fish was with my anchor down
.
Once it got a little closer andI gained some line, it started
circling the paddle board.
I ended up wrapping my anchorbefore I could get it up.
George Scocca (27:09):
Well, that makes total sense.
Eddie Carroll (27:11):
Yeah, so it got a little tired out while it was
dragging me back and forth and Istill can't.
George Scocca (27:21):
Now I mean, look.
so here you are, You're on thepaddle board, 200 yards off the
beach and you're being draggedaround by a shark and you're
just on this board that youcould literally fall in, right,
yes, so what would you think?
I mean, I'm thinking to myself,okay, like look, I'm not one of
(27:43):
these people that thinks if youfall on the water, sharks are
going to come after you and biteyou.
I'm not thinking, I don't feelthat way, but I know I would
have shit a break if I seen thisfreaking this thing come up and
and I'm standing on a boardthat's actually about the same
size as it was.
So, yeah, so what were yourthoughts at that?
(28:07):
Were you ever nervous that youwere going to fall off the board
?
Eddie Carroll (28:12):
I mean.
So, george, honestly, thecraziest part about this whole
story is, like what'sundocumented in terms of video
and, like you know, the probablyhour long word deal with the
shark, before I was able orcomfortable enough to get my
phone out, you know, I thinkthat's a big thing that people
don't really understand, like Ididn't just hook into this thing
(28:33):
and snag a video, like Ibattled this thing for an hour
and then, yeah, but I didn'tknow what it was until the very
tail ends, you know, abouthalfway through, or before
halfway through, I knew itprobably wasn't a bluefish, it
probably wasn't a striper, andif it was, it was, you know,
competing with some of thebiggest stripers ever caught in
(28:55):
the sound, right, you know, butwith 25,000 on the line, I
didn't, you know, I wanted tosee otherwise.
It was a fishing story and youknow what, if it was a giant
bluefish at the end of the day,was I nervous?
I knew it was dead serious,like I was, you know, hyper
focused.
There's obviously a lot ofadrenaline, right?
George Scocca (29:18):
Well, that's what we looked like.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (29:20):
Yeah, exactly.
So you know it was a balancingact.
There were definitely times Iwas losing the battle to the
shark, like there's times whereI was trying to rest my arms and
my back and you know my polewas resting on my knee and then,
you know, halfway in the waterand I was just trying to get
some steam back.
George Scocca (29:41):
That's really is an amazing story.
So, now that so the shark I sawsome of the video, or it was
photos.
I saw something maybe no, Ithink it was your Instagram
video and you could see theshark come up and it actually
came fairly close to the board.
It came, you know, while it wasthat the first time you really
(30:01):
got a good look at it, or youhad already seen it, and then
you had time to get your videoout.
Eddie Carroll (30:07):
Yeah.
So by the time the videos or myphone got out, the shark was
dead, tired it was, you know.
After I got my anchor up,actually, I had to untangle the
line around my anchor with youknow, and pull my anchor with
one arm pulling the other.
I got it close enough and I sawit was a big shark.
I didn't know what kind, I knewit was, you know big enough
(30:29):
where.
When I first got a glimpse ofit, and it was close, I was like
, okay, you know, it seems tiredand if I'm going to document
this at all it's going to beright now.
So I got my phone out.
George Scocca (30:40):
He is hot summer buddy yeah.
Eddie Carroll (30:45):
Yeah, you know, you got to get some evidence out
there.
George Scocca (30:47):
Yeah right, Nobody believes you nowadays
unless you have pictures.
Exactly so it was.
Eddie Carroll (30:53):
at that time I got my phone out and just to
document it, I, you know, swungit by the board I was on a
couple times.
It did come up, you know, rightnext to the board.
You know it's been dorsal fineven.
You know, touch the board itwas.
It was tired, it was calm.
(31:15):
I feel like we had a mutualrespect for each other at that
point by the time, you know, Igot any of those videos just
because he really pulled me orhe or she or the shark really
pulled me around quite a bit.
George Scocca (31:26):
So did you just cut it loose or did it end up?
Did you get it to the point ofde-hooking?
I don't think I would evenbother.
Yeah, or how close did you getto the shark at the end?
Eddie Carroll (31:43):
Yeah, I mean I was.
You know, arms reach away.
It was very close to the board.
I didn't.
You know, for safety and youknow what seems like obvious
reasons, I didn't feelcomfortable trying to get the
hook out, but I did cut it, likeright at the wire leader, which
wasn't very far from its mouthat all.
I tried to get as close as Icould to the actual hook.
George Scocca (32:06):
And the fish swam away, okay.
Eddie Carroll (32:08):
Yeah, the fish swam away safely, which is, you
know, important for me.
It wasn't what I was trying tocatch by any means, and I
typically am a catch releasefisherman.
The only fish I took out of thesound this year, outside of
bait is, was the blue it away inthe day before, so right.
George Scocca (32:26):
Well, it's tough to get at slotfish nowadays.
So you might be, you know.
As far as striped bass areconcerned, especially in the
sound, I mean they were there,but that little window made
things a little tougher, keepers, but that's okay.
Yeah, so you had commentedbefore.
I just wanted to take on this.
So, let's say, it comes up andit's this giant striped bass,
(32:52):
something you know is a worldrecord, right?
What do you do at that point?
We're not allowed to keep them,we're not allowed to weigh them
, you know.
I mean, what do you do at thatpoint is really to document it.
I really wish we can have asolution to that, because you
(33:15):
deserve the credit if you get it.
Eddie Carroll (33:17):
Well, thank you.
Yeah, if you know anyone overat GoPro, you know that would be
helpful for me.
Yeah, having a you know reachinto my milk crate and into my
tackle box, you know that wouldgo a long way for me documenting
these things.
I think safety would be, youknow, a little easier with a
GoPro as well.
But no, you're right, I mean Idon't have a problem when you
(33:42):
know I have a lot of respect forthe fish.
I think they're awesome and youknow I don't.
I want them to live and behealthy.
So, as long as I could documentit, you know, weighing it would
be nice if it was, you know,close to a world record.
George Scocca (33:55):
Yeah, you know, I remember a time when if you
caught a world record stripedbass you'd make a career on that
fish.
There's a couple of people thathave you know.
Eddie Carroll (34:04):
I think that the record is, or was at least for a
long time, a guy out of Clinton, an old zebra, I mean, it was
caught, you know, in my area ofthe sound, I believe.
George Scocca (34:15):
So well, I know there was a time, oh geez, I
don't know.
It was a way back.
You know, I used to publish afishing magazine.
Actually, it was distributed upthere.
It was a free one called Nori'sSaltwater and there was a
striped bass that was caughtoutside of Bridgeport or
(34:36):
somewhere over there and it was75 pounds.
Yeah, the next day I rememberthem saying that they actually
had to have the Coast Guard outthere to clear the area.
There was so many boats.
I'm like wow, people are nuts.
You know, like I hate to breakit to you, but the fish was
cordiric.
They're not running around.
(34:58):
Not too many 75 pound fishrunning around, no, swimming
around, but so, yeah, so that isone heck of a story I gotta
tell you.
Eddie Carroll (35:08):
Oh, thank you yeah.
George Scocca (35:09):
And just the fact that you do what you do, it's
great.
It's a great new fishery.
I guess it's a whole new way toenter the fishery.
I guarantee you what I castnext year or the year after, we
are going to start seeing tacklefor that type of fishing.
I have no doubt I candefinitely.
Eddie Carroll (35:30):
I mean, it is an awesome way.
I do feel like you're a littlemore connected with what's going
on out there just you and onthe board with the paddle If
you're not catching fish yet.
You have awesome scenery aroundyou and you get to be a part of
what's going on out there,which is the second biggest
reason I love being out there,if not the first, so it's a lot
(35:55):
of fun.
I appreciate you helping meshare the story, george, and
what you do for fishing in thesound Sounds like you do some
great work.
Yeah, I would like to say theonly reason I really was able to
catch the shark was because Itypically don't use wire leaders
or hooks like you use forbluefish.
(36:16):
I'm out there with circle hooks, mostly targeting striped bass.
So if it wasn't bluefishweekend, I probably would have
never landed the shark or had achance to land the shark.
George Scocca (36:28):
It would have cut right through the model leader.
I'm never knowing what it wasabout.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (36:32):
Yeah, so I think it just it was, you know, dustin
, happened.
It was a giant, incrediblypowerful animal.
It was, you know, eight to 10feet it was.
It was quite the experience.
George Scocca (36:45):
Yeah, that's great.
So it took a bunker.
Was it a live bunker?
Eddie Carroll (36:49):
It took a porgy actually.
George Scocca (36:50):
Oh, I'm sorry, that's right, you said porgy.
Eddie Carroll (36:52):
I knew I needed bigger and yeah, I typically
snag bunker and live line thosefor stripers and yeah, I got
some good See now in New York.
George Scocca (37:01):
that's illegal in New York.
We can't use, really we can'tuse live porgy anymore.
Eddie Carroll (37:07):
No, oh yeah, the porgy.
It was not live line in theporgy, oh okay, but yeah, all
right.
Yeah, it was a big porgy,though I'll tell you that.
George Scocca (37:18):
Well, we got a lot of those You've known as
well as I do.
Oh my God man.
We got a lot of porgies.
That's definitely one fishthat's not in trouble, but I
think it's causing trouble.
So, all right, look, I reallyappreciate this.
Maybe I'm going to get you aGoPro so you can get me some
video on what you're doing.
Eddie Carroll (37:39):
And I'd be greatly appreciate it.
George Scocca (37:41):
Well, we'll see about that.
We'll definitely keep in touchand I really I appreciate the
time and congratulate.
Oh, so look, what was theweight on the winning bluefish,
Do you know?
Eddie Carroll (37:53):
I do think it blew everyone out of the water.
I think it ended up being a 20pound fish.
George Scocca (37:58):
Wow See, I mentioned it and it happened
yeah.
I should have looked that upbefore we did this, but look,
eddie again.
I really appreciate this andgood luck, good fishing, and
we'll definitely be in touch.
Did you want to give a shoutout on your Instagram account,
or it doesn't matter to you?
You'd rather kind of keep itlow.
(38:18):
It's up to you.
Eddie Carroll (38:20):
Yeah, I mean, you guys can check me out on
Instagram.
That's where the video is.
Ed Carol05, c-a-r-r-o-l-l.
That's where the video is.
I've been starting to sharesome of my videos I have saved
from my experiences out there.
But no, I would love todocument.
I see a lot of cool stuff outthere.
George Scocca (38:43):
All right, we'll definitely put that on the back
burner.
I'll talk to you again soon.
I really appreciate the call.
Eddie Carroll (38:52):
Yeah, of course, and good fishing.
George Scocca (38:55):
All right.
Eddie.
Thank you, hold on, don't goanywhere.
Do you have any photos orsomething that I could just
throw up with this thing thatmaybe you could email me?
If you have anything that Icould add to the page, that
would be great.
Eddie Carroll (39:11):
Yeah, photo wise of the shark and you wanted to
see the board.
Yeah, that would be great.
I'm not sure if you have avideo of the board recently, but
it sounds like you need photos.
I'll take both.
George Scocca (39:22):
I'd love to have video too.
All that helps with the searchengine results.
We'll get a decent number ofviews.
So look, stop by New York,Angler.
I mean it says New York, butit's both.
I may actually expand it.
I'm not sure yet.
I own the domain namenorreastercom.
Oh yeah, I may start that up,but we'll see.
(39:47):
Okay, but look, I reallyappreciate this and you be sure
to have.
Well, it's going to be a lousyweekend, yeah.
Eddie Carroll (39:58):
But we got the fall run coming up, that's you
know part of the year.
George Scocca (40:02):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Actually, you know I got toplay some Florida, so I, you
know my wife likes to leave likethe first week of October, but
we're not doing that anymore.
I missed last year.
I missed the black fishing andforget that.
You know I need to catch my dog, so we're not leaving till the
end of October.
Eddie Carroll (40:21):
There you go.
Yeah, the run was late lastyear, in my opinion, you know
drapers were heavy and end ofOctober, so yes, I agree, yeah,
totally agree.
George Scocca (40:33):
All right, eddie, thanks again, I really
appreciate it and you know, goodluck keeping tight lines and
don't watch out for them, sharks.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (40:43):
Thanks guys.
George Scocca (40:44):
I appreciate it.
Stay in touch.
All right, thank you, I willThanks.
All right, bye.
Well, there you go, folks.
Just when you thought you'd seeown fishing.
I mean, what else can it be?
There's drones, there's kayaks,there's salt water fly, there's
their jigging and there'severything.
Now we have a new fishery, the.
(41:04):
I've seen it before, but yougot to stop by MYAnglecom and
check out the rig, the way it'smade up, and I mean I could see
this being a thing not for me,especially when you take a look
at the shark and how it was.
I mean I definitely would havefell off, not that the shark
would bite me, but I would havebeen in the water.
(41:25):
I know it.
So you can also see video andfollow Eddie at Edcarol05.
He's on Instagram, I'm guessing.
He's on Facebook and probably alot of other things, so you can
(41:47):
follow him and his inventors.
All right, everyone, thanksagain for stopping in.
I'll have another update nextweek.
I got a little dungonia now.
I think it's three or fourweeks in a row and I'm going to
keep you on top of the license.
And thanks again for the growthin listeners.
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all the time, all anglerswilling to share their knowledge
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Thanks again, everyone.
Be safe, tight lines, and Godbless America.
Hello Anglers, this is George Scocca, and
you're listening to the New YorkFishing Podcast Brought to you
by NYAnglercom.
That's NYAnglercom, your secretspot online, so I'm going to
talk about the fluke fishingthat we've seen just for a few
(00:24):
minutes.
Tell you about my outings.
I went out against south ofJones, hitting some Rocky bottom
out there, and in the lastepisode, I talked about how,
every time we dropped, we had afight and we had a fish on.
Well, here we are.
We have this gorgeous day itwas Wednesday and we head out
(00:52):
Flat com Seas beautiful sunrise.
I have a photo of it on theNYAnglercom website.
It was just.
Everything was lining up.
We get out there there's hardlyanyone on the grounds, and we're
like we own the place, getready, so we start fishing, and
(01:15):
immediately they start biting,and I mean biting hard.
Unfortunately, though, it wasnot fluke that was biting, it
was black flies, and it was like101 degrees, with no wind, and
the wind we had was wind againsttide, and the long and the
short of it is I found the bestbug spray repellent I've ever
(01:41):
used.
It's all natural.
I don't make a dime on this.
I'm not trying to sell anything, but this stuff is called
Captain Ron's Bug Spray and I'mtelling you we were using that
deep wood stuff and everythingand those flies were still
chewing through us Westchester.
(02:02):
Steve was smart enough to wearhis long pants.
I was, you know, I'm thinkingit's gonna be 95 if I was in
shorts.
I was getting eaten alive.
And then Pete breaks out thisstuff from a mutual friend who
had recommended it to him and henever used it.
Long story short, the stuff isgreat, it smells good, it's all
(02:25):
natural.
But the thing is those flieswould not land on my legs as
long as I had some stuff on me.
They would all on my shorts butthey wouldn't bite me.
So getting back to the fishing,it kind of was disappointing in
that in my mind.
Look, I don't know the areahalf as well as the man I'm
(02:47):
fishing with.
I mean, this guy knows thatarea and he knows it well.
But the way I see it, where wewere fishing, at least those
fish, when we had that big bitelast week, we were kind of
staging and then we had thatsupermoon come in and the storm
came up the coast and it didn'tdirect, you know, affect us
(03:08):
directly.
But when you listen to reportscoming in from Montauk and you
know all around.
Yes, fluke are being caught,but I think those fish have
moved out.
Pete says they haven't, so I'mgoing with him or not, that they
(03:28):
haven't, he's just not sold, Idon't know.
We caught a couple dogfish.
We had almost no shorts.
We ended up with three keepers.
Pete had a nice fish, of course, like always.
He had a five pounder, which Ihad is unbelievable, but there
were very few fish caught.
But with that said, if you wereto check the fishing report
(03:53):
section on NY Angler, you'd seethat our good friend Jimmy Furch
, he had some really nice fishyesterday and he had a seven and
a half pounder.
So look, the season's open tillOctober 1st, you know.
Hopefully there'll be around.
The other thing that'ssurprising me is the lack of sea
(04:16):
bass out there.
You know we've seen so many butwe just aren't seeing them this
year.
Well, at least over there, Iknow on a North Fork, it's
starting to happen and it willhappen.
But yeah, so that's kind of myreport for the week.
(04:36):
So I'm going to mention just afew things about the saltwater
license every single episodeuntil we have one.
I do want to talk about it Incase you didn't hear and you
know me, I'm on top of thisthing and I know I didn't hear
there was a hearing On assaultwhat a license.
(04:59):
The other day down at DEC overin Kings Park, and it was about
the license and no one showed up.
That's what I heard.
I could be wrong, but I heardthat not a single person showed
up.
Did you know about it?
Because I didn't, and if Ididn't I don't think you did.
(05:21):
The other thing I want tomention is I know that the DEC
is going to the tackle shops.
They're reaching out to theindustry For you to put out
surveys on this sort.
What a license.
Now, look, I'm not tellinganybody what to do, but you know
(05:46):
, I don't see how.
I know, if I owned a tackleshop I would not want to put
them out.
But that's just my feelings.
So you guys out there, rememberyou don't have to.
It's nice if you do.
I don't know.
They're kind of picking andchoosing.
I'd rather see them promotingthis license on social media.
(06:10):
Why is everything so hush hush?
And you know why didn't we knowabout this?
I mean, yes, it was on somekind of a printed flyer that
they handed out.
Anybody read a print to flylately.
I know I haven't.
Okay, so that's it on thelicense this week.
I have one thing you knowthere's never a shortage of
(06:33):
fisheries management stories,right, I know a lot of you
people like to hear these things.
But I just want to educate youon things not that I'm smarter
than you, because, trust me,these things come up every day.
There's something else and, incase you haven't noticed, there
have been many instances and itseems to be I increasing every
(06:57):
single year and that's the newterm in fisheries management,
which is shark depredation.
So what that is is when a shark, when you're fighting a fish, a
shark comes up and eats a fish,kills a fish.
Now there is an act called theshark act, supporting the health
(07:21):
of aquatic systems throughresearch, knowledge and enhanced
dialogue, the shark act, andit's put out.
I mean it's not passed oranything, it's just a bill
that's out there and I will notethis bill is supported by, like
, everybody, from the ASA to theNMMA, to, I mean, everybody,
(07:45):
cca, all the big organization,teddy Roosevelt Organization,
all these people support thisbill.
So I guess there's somethingthere I'm missing, but I, you
know, I want to throw it outthere and see what you think.
I'd like to get some feedback,if I can, from you on this,
because you're going to see thismore and more and more.
(08:05):
So this act, I think, is a veryimportant part of the process.
So this act aims to protectmarine ecosystems from shark
deputation by establishing atask force to work within
fisheries management groups toaddress the problems posed by
(08:25):
increased shark depredation andidentify research and funding
opportunities for improving theconditions.
It here's another one.
The act also seeks to improvethe environment of marine life
and sport fishing conditions.
How many times are we going tohave an act to do all these
things right?
(08:45):
The other thing is I'm curiouswhy we need such an act.
What are they going to do?
How can can they stop it?
No, it's totally impossible tostop.
It's been happening forever.
I mean, go fish out in Alaskaand see what happens when you
hook up into a salmon and you'vegot a couple of sea lions
(09:08):
around or even a halibut.
I've been there and I've had a.
I pulled in a halibut with hugechunks taken out of their sides
.
Actually it was a lot easier toreel the fish in.
But yeah, sure, I mean this ishappening and the thing that
gets me is I don't know what canthey do.
What can they do?
(09:29):
Can they stop it?
No, are they going to teach thesharks not to bite fish that
are on a fishing line?
No, the other.
The other point is do theythink that the sharks just
started eating?
And what I mean by that is yeah,sure, they're eating a striped
bass on a line, but they'redoing that because it's easier,
(09:52):
not because they have to, and Ibelieve this is just an
evolution.
That's gone on and on and theyfigured it out.
They're not the only speciesthat does this.
I was out snapper fishing outin Florida and we had these huge
amberjack 20, 25 poundamberjack and if you hooked a
(10:16):
yellowtail and you didn't crankthat sucker in like as fast as
you could, you were losing thatfish.
In fact, we were countingtotals of who caught the most
fish and we actually countedhaves.
So in fact I won one bite ahalf of a fish.
So this is something that'sgoing on and there's nothing I
mean there's nothing you can doabout it.
(10:36):
Do we need another branch offisheries management?
People jumping in on this?
I mean, this thing is going tocost money.
They want every coastal stateto have shark biologists and all
these different things.
I don't see any other way to dothat.
They're just going to go eatanother fish.
It's not like they're noteating or they're killing more
(11:02):
fish.
You see, here's my fear.
A bill like this should passopens the door to a fish, a fish
that has a fish in it, which isa fish that has a fish in it, a
fish that has a fish in it, afish that has a fish in it.
And then the door to suddenlyinclude a new category against
(11:27):
the recreational angler.
That's my fear.
So they're going to kind ofcome in and say you know what?
20,000 striped bass were killedby sharks last year, according
to our numbers.
So we need to add that to therecreational fishery.
That's what I think is coming.
I don't know what they, whatcan they do?
Are they going to I don't knowput up nets, block sharks from
(11:52):
coming in?
Are they going to send thesharks to school and teach them
not to bite off a fishing line?
Look, if a shark is around andthey see an easy meal, they're
grabbing it, and I don'tunderstand what such a bill like
this would have to do withhelping any of it.
(12:17):
I mean, okay, they're eatinghalf a fish.
What else do we need to know?
And later on in this show we'regoing to be speaking with a
gentleman who came face to facewith a shark from a paddleboard
fishing, so it should be prettyinteresting to get his take on
(12:41):
the shark situation.
So yeah, it's been quite aseason so far, and I mean you
know I should mention thebluefin tuna action in shore has
been off the hook, no punintended.
I've seen anglers that havecaught some huge fish less than
(13:03):
25 miles from Joenton, less than30 miles from Pire Island.
Also huge numbers of albacore.
When we were out Fluke in, wehad them.
Well, we saw it.
We didn't have them, we wereconcentrating on fluke but we
saw them all around.
People were picking them and wealso Saw a bunch of dolphins
(13:31):
out there which we'd never seenand I'm trying to think that
would be were.
There were a couple other weirdhappenings.
I don't know if I mentioned wehad the dog fish and couple sea
robb in this, but that was it.
It was slow, we had the threekeepers, but you know, all in
all we were fishing was a goodday.
I mean, we got back to the boatfive o'clock and was Freakin.
(13:53):
Well, four o'clock is likefreaking hundred degrees.
There we are, these three oldmen scrubbing down a boat and
sometimes at that point I'malmost happy we're just playing
it.
A half a dozen fish or whatever.
I shouldn't say that, but it'strue.
So let's move on to anothersubject.
(14:18):
On the tackle front my goodfriend John Skinner.
His new dark, madder spinningrod is out.
It's an inshore rod, it's aseven footer medium power fast
action and it's rated for oneeighth to one ounce lures.
So Johnny boys got another rodout there, if I'm sure it'll be
(14:42):
as successful as the others.
I watched the video With himusing the rod.
You know we will buy one hereat New York Angler and put it
through, put it through the test.
But you know John's got hisname on it.
I'm sure that it's a good rodand you can read more about it
(15:03):
at New York angler.
com
Sponge Bob and Joe Biden (15:11):
And what is killing all of the
whales?
No, no, no, no.
We're not killing whales.
This one is on to Bob Killingany whales.
We are saving the earth.
Whales just happen to be dying.
(15:32):
There's nothing to see here.
Move on.
George Scocca (15:35):
I would like to welcome Eddie Carroll, who's
here today to speak with usAbout his adventures while
fishing the world's greatestbluefish tournament, the WICC
Big bluefish tournament, andhe's also going to talk about
some new method of fishing thathe's been doing that I really
(16:03):
have a lot of Interest in.
So, eddie, please introduceyourself and tell us what kind
of fishing you do and how oldfish.
Eddie Carroll (16:12):
Awesome, yeah, hey, george, thanks for having
me on.
I really appreciate youreaching out.
I'm excited to share my storyand talk a little bit about what
I do for fishing here in thesound and what I grew up doing
and how I got so comfortable, Iguess, on my paddleboard that
thing is like, just so you know,yeah, I watch people on
(16:34):
paddleboards.
George Scocca (16:34):
I always said what are they doing Standing up?
And then I saw it like videosof people fishing on them and
I'm like they're holding on to arod and fishes cruising or
taking them around.
I'm like, oh, I don't know, notmany people do that here, but I
guess you do, huh.
Eddie Carroll (16:50):
Yeah, I grew up, you know, on the water In
Madison, connecticut, and alittle beach community on the
middle of three boys.
Yeah, we During summers wouldwake up first thing in the
morning and be at the beach tillsundown, so I have a great
appreciation for the sound it's.
You know, one of my favoritethings on earth to do is to get
(17:13):
out there and you know I do goout on my paddleboard Solo.
I just have found it hard tocoordinate those trips with
people that don't have the samepassion for it as I do.
George Scocca (17:23):
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (17:25):
Yeah, yeah.
George Scocca (17:27):
I know you're not getting me to go.
I'll tell you how much I I'mbeing a boot next to you, but
yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah.
So explain it a little bit.
Hey, you know, had you end upgetting into this type of
fishing, or there are a lot ofpeople that do it.
I mean, do we need to add a newboard to the New York angler
(17:48):
site?
Oh, by the way, I want to makeit clear that I'm also a sound
guy.
Across the pond, as we say herein Long Island, yeah, I fish.
I keep my boat on an offshore,so we're fishing basically the
same waters.
Eddie Carroll (18:02):
Awesome, yeah, I mean it's a beautiful place to
fish and get on the water.
You know it's different thanthe actual open ocean a lot of
ways, but seems like more andmore some of the big big
creatures are making their wayback into the sound, like
historically there's records ofthem being here, oh, which is,
yeah, I think, from likeecological standpoint it's
(18:24):
definitely a good thing.
But you know how I got intokayak fishing.
I mean, padaboard fishing is Istarted packing fishing from a
young age, you know, early teens.
I was probably going out theresolo or with my friends and you
know, strap all my gear on there, got pretty comfortable, and
(18:44):
then paddleboards came out,probably around 10 years ago or
so.
I quickly adapted to thepaddleboard and got really
comfortable on there and Istarted strapping my gear onto
the paddleboard and going outthat way.
So I take a milk crate and Istarted with just bungees.
(19:05):
Now I have actual, you know,crank straps, which have been a
good change for me.
I have a milk crate with mytackle Pull holders and a bucket
and cooler and a small buffermaker.
That's really just of it.
George Scocca (19:19):
Wow, you're gonna have to send me some photos so
I can post them up with thisinterview.
It's it.
I don't know, the whole thingsounds a little nuts, but I
guess it's really.
You know it's just, it's justanother, you know another way
for you to get to the fish.
And you know, I mean I get.
I mean I can't see ever seemyself doing it, like I said
(19:41):
before, but it looks like itcould be a good time.
So so you've adopted, you'vemade you kind of, you know, made
up your own Tackled situation.
You know tackle box and allthat.
I guess eventually they'regonna be coming out with all
kinds of stuff you can rig on apaddleboard, similar to what
they did, you know, with kayakswhen they first came yeah, you
(20:05):
know, I've seen it.
Eddie Carroll (20:06):
Yeah, I've seen it more and more like on social
media and everything.
They're making custom boardsfor fishing and strapping our
gear on there.
You know, I think it's allgreat, Um, and you know, if
you're comfortable doing it,it's certainly certain risks,
obviously balance, and you knowwhat you run into out there.
(20:26):
So, making sure you haveexperience and respect for for
getting out there on a paddleboard but like the visibility
maneuverability, being able toaccess your tackle deal with
your poles and fish, Um, andjust being able to like.
What I love about it is I don'tbuy bait typically at the store,
like I go out there andsometimes half the time I'm
(20:47):
looking for bait, um, to snackfresh, fresh bait and get on
fish.
So from a visibility standpointit's it's helpful with that and
like in a kayak, you're in thecockpit and you got to turn
around and it puts you inawkward positions and you know,
even just changing your hook oryour lure is difficult, Um, so
(21:07):
the paddle board really has beena huge change in in my fishing,
Um, and I'm out there typicallyfishing for striped bass.
That's my main goal.
I do throw my hat and ring forthe blue fish tournament.
Um right, and yeah, this year Ihad quite a wild experience
with it, so yeah.
George Scocca (21:25):
So one.
But before we get into that,I'd like to.
I mean, don't you need like areally calm sea in order to take
that?
I mean don't I'm picturing likeanything over a glass.
You're kind of getting thrownaround.
Eddie Carroll (21:41):
Am I wrong about that, or Uh, yeah, I mean,
obviously conditions are a bigfactor for whether or not I'm
even going out there, Right?
Um, so it's definitelysomething to keep in mind.
Uh, I've learned trying not topush or work against.
You know the nature and theconditions out there.
Um, glasses, ideal, you knowyou can get away with some chop.
(22:05):
Uh, heavy winds can be annoying.
The anchor has been good, so ifit is like heavy drift days, I
can kind of, you know, paddlethrough my anchor down fish and
not, you know, travel over amile or whatever, just with a
current and wind.
George Scocca (22:16):
So yeah, you're bringing in an anchor too.
Oh, my God Anyway.
Eddie Carroll (22:21):
Yeah.
George Scocca (22:21):
All right.
So tell us about, uh, thefamous, uh, blue fish tournament
.
So you went into the WICCtournament and I'm sure I don't
have to explain that to anyone.
It's kind of been around longerthan me in this game, so, um,
but I can remember a time whenit took a 20 pound fish to win
(22:42):
that tournament.
I'm not sure what it was.
We this year although I know wehad some big blues in the sound
, but, um, yeah, I'm not sure.
A lot of blues, yeah, I'm notsure what the winner was.
But so tell us, tell ouraudience what happened.
Um, I think it was your secondday fishing.
Second day fishing.
Eddie Carroll (23:03):
Yeah, so, um, um, yeah, day one was a good day
for me.
Actually, it's my mom'sbirthday weekend and my cousin,
my mom's an identical twin, so Ihad commitments in the
afternoon.
I was only playing and I go outin the mornings.
Sponge Bob and Joe Biden (23:17):
Um so, day one I caught a good size
blue.
Eddie Carroll (23:22):
I honestly, uh, thought it would be on the
leaderboard, you know, probablymiddle top 10.
It was a good size fish.
I don't have a scale oranything out there, but I knew
it was big enough to maybe geton the board, which was exciting
.
Uh, it's a little disappointedby the weight.
It was 36 inches and onlyweighed in at 11 pounds.
Even yeah, here's how we, yeahhe was.
(23:45):
You know he did have a hook inhis mouth and some braid in
there, so passing his hisfeeding.
Um, but yeah I knew I needed totry and get someone bigger day
too, to actually make it on theboard, which was my goal for the
year.
Um, I went out there with thatmindset big.
I was on the water by six AMand, uh, caught a fresh porgy
(24:06):
and he used that for bait.
And it wasn't too long after Igot the, the fresh bait, um,
that I hooked into the shark.
Um, you know, right away I knewit was a very big fish the way
it started now taking line.
So how far?
How far are you?
George Scocca (24:25):
from shore when this happens?
Eddie Carroll (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, are you familiar with Madison at all
, or?
George Scocca (24:35):
not really, but what would you say?
I mean, how deep were youfishing?
Eddie Carroll (24:39):
Yeah, it wasn't overwhelmingly deep.
The tide was probably close todead low at the time, so I went
a little further out.
I was probably a half mileoffshore maybe Okay yeah, a few
hundred yards, if people arefamiliar with the area it's far
out of paddleboard yeah.
(24:59):
Past Tuxas Island, which is aeasy market for people that know
the area here yeah, so I wasmoderately far out just because
I knew the tide was dead low andI was trying to get a bigger
blizzard in day one.
George Scocca (25:15):
Right, right, and you'd have the incoming tide so
it wouldn't be too hard to getback in.
Yeah, okay.
Eddie Carroll (25:24):
Yeah, but when I hooked into it I knew it was big
.
It took almost all my line atthe beginning where I had to
slow it down with my thumb onthe reel and I finally slowed it
down.
It was pulling me with themustermanker while it was taking
line.
Oh my God, For a good while.
George Scocca (25:47):
Were you thinking for a minute?
Actually, this happened to meonce, but were you thinking for
a minute?
I think I have $25,000 on theline and then all of a sudden,
you're like there's no way, it'sgoing to be a bluefish.
Eddie Carroll (26:01):
Yeah.
So for a few minutes I wasthinking if this is a bluefish,
this is going to be what Iwanted, it's going to put me on
the board and maybe even win.
If it had been a blue which Ididn't know pretty much until I
took the video that the way andwhat it was exactly.
But after a little while, howmuch line it's taking a blue
(26:26):
typically would breach, youwould see it, my jumper at least
come up to the surface andshake around a bit.
So then, after I didn't see that, for a little bit I was
thinking maybe it's a giantstriped bass, maybe world record
or at least personal best withthe way it was Right.
George Scocca (26:48):
Right, right.
Eddie Carroll (26:51):
But yeah, I ended up gaining some line back and I
knew the chance of me losingthe fish was with my anchor down
.
Once it got a little closer andI gained some line, it started
circling the paddle board.
I ended up wrapping my anchorbefore I could get it up.
George Scocca (27:09):
Well, that makes total sense.
Eddie Carroll (27:11):
Yeah, so it got a little tired out while it was
dragging me back and forth and Istill can't.
George Scocca (27:21):
Now I mean, look.
so here you are, You're on thepaddle board, 200 yards off the
beach and you're being draggedaround by a shark and you're
just on this board that youcould literally fall in, right,
yes, so what would you think?
I mean, I'm thinking to myself,okay, like look, I'm not one of
(27:43):
these people that thinks if youfall on the water, sharks are
going to come after you and biteyou.
I'm not thinking, I don't feelthat way, but I know I would
have shit a break if I seen thisfreaking this thing come up and
and I'm standing on a boardthat's actually about the same
size as it was.
So, yeah, so what were yourthoughts at that?
(28:07):
Were you ever nervous that youwere going to fall off the board
?
Eddie Carroll (28:12):
I mean.
So, george, honestly, thecraziest part about this whole
story is, like what'sundocumented in terms of video
and, like you know, the probablyhour long word deal with the
shark, before I was able orcomfortable enough to get my
phone out, you know, I thinkthat's a big thing that people
don't really understand, like Ididn't just hook into this thing
(28:33):
and snag a video, like Ibattled this thing for an hour
and then, yeah, but I didn'tknow what it was until the very
tail ends, you know, abouthalfway through, or before
halfway through, I knew itprobably wasn't a bluefish, it
probably wasn't a striper, andif it was, it was, you know,
competing with some of thebiggest stripers ever caught in
(28:55):
the sound, right, you know, butwith 25,000 on the line, I
didn't, you know, I wanted tosee otherwise.
It was a fishing story and youknow what, if it was a giant
bluefish at the end of the day,was I nervous?
I knew it was dead serious,like I was, you know, hyper
focused.
There's obviously a lot ofadrenaline, right?
George Scocca (29:18):
Well, that's what we looked like.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (29:20):
Yeah, exactly.
So you know it was a balancingact.
There were definitely times Iwas losing the battle to the
shark, like there's times whereI was trying to rest my arms and
my back and you know my polewas resting on my knee and then,
you know, halfway in the waterand I was just trying to get
some steam back.
George Scocca (29:41):
That's really is an amazing story.
So, now that so the shark I sawsome of the video, or it was
photos.
I saw something maybe no, Ithink it was your Instagram
video and you could see theshark come up and it actually
came fairly close to the board.
It came, you know, while it wasthat the first time you really
(30:01):
got a good look at it, or youhad already seen it, and then
you had time to get your videoout.
Eddie Carroll (30:07):
Yeah.
So by the time the videos or myphone got out, the shark was
dead, tired it was, you know.
After I got my anchor up,actually, I had to untangle the
line around my anchor with youknow, and pull my anchor with
one arm pulling the other.
I got it close enough and I sawit was a big shark.
I didn't know what kind, I knewit was, you know big enough
(30:29):
where.
When I first got a glimpse ofit, and it was close, I was like
, okay, you know, it seems tiredand if I'm going to document
this at all it's going to beright now.
So I got my phone out.
George Scocca (30:40):
He is hot summer buddy yeah.
Eddie Carroll (30:45):
Yeah, you know, you got to get some evidence out
there.
George Scocca (30:47):
Yeah right, Nobody believes you nowadays
unless you have pictures.
Exactly so it was.
Eddie Carroll (30:53):
at that time I got my phone out and just to
document it, I, you know, swungit by the board I was on a
couple times.
It did come up, you know, rightnext to the board.
You know it's been dorsal fineven.
You know, touch the board itwas.
It was tired, it was calm.
(31:15):
I feel like we had a mutualrespect for each other at that
point by the time, you know, Igot any of those videos just
because he really pulled me orhe or she or the shark really
pulled me around quite a bit.
George Scocca (31:26):
So did you just cut it loose or did it end up?
Did you get it to the point ofde-hooking?
I don't think I would evenbother.
Yeah, or how close did you getto the shark at the end?
Eddie Carroll (31:43):
Yeah, I mean I was.
You know, arms reach away.
It was very close to the board.
I didn't.
You know, for safety and youknow what seems like obvious
reasons, I didn't feelcomfortable trying to get the
hook out, but I did cut it, likeright at the wire leader, which
wasn't very far from its mouthat all.
I tried to get as close as Icould to the actual hook.
George Scocca (32:06):
And the fish swam away, okay.
Eddie Carroll (32:08):
Yeah, the fish swam away safely, which is, you
know, important for me.
It wasn't what I was trying tocatch by any means, and I
typically am a catch releasefisherman.
The only fish I took out of thesound this year, outside of
bait is, was the blue it away inthe day before, so right.
George Scocca (32:26):
Well, it's tough to get at slotfish nowadays.
So you might be, you know.
As far as striped bass areconcerned, especially in the
sound, I mean they were there,but that little window made
things a little tougher, keepers, but that's okay.
Yeah, so you had commentedbefore.
I just wanted to take on this.
So, let's say, it comes up andit's this giant striped bass,
(32:52):
something you know is a worldrecord, right?
What do you do at that point?
We're not allowed to keep them,we're not allowed to weigh them
, you know.
I mean, what do you do at thatpoint is really to document it.
I really wish we can have asolution to that, because you
(33:15):
deserve the credit if you get it.
Eddie Carroll (33:17):
Well, thank you.
Yeah, if you know anyone overat GoPro, you know that would be
helpful for me.
Yeah, having a you know reachinto my milk crate and into my
tackle box, you know that wouldgo a long way for me documenting
these things.
I think safety would be, youknow, a little easier with a
GoPro as well.
But no, you're right, I mean Idon't have a problem when you
(33:42):
know I have a lot of respect forthe fish.
I think they're awesome and youknow I don't.
I want them to live and behealthy.
So, as long as I could documentit, you know, weighing it would
be nice if it was, you know,close to a world record.
George Scocca (33:55):
Yeah, you know, I remember a time when if you
caught a world record stripedbass you'd make a career on that
fish.
There's a couple of people thathave you know.
Eddie Carroll (34:04):
I think that the record is, or was at least for a
long time, a guy out of Clinton, an old zebra, I mean, it was
caught, you know, in my area ofthe sound, I believe.
George Scocca (34:15):
So well, I know there was a time, oh geez, I
don't know.
It was a way back.
You know, I used to publish afishing magazine.
Actually, it was distributed upthere.
It was a free one called Nori'sSaltwater and there was a
striped bass that was caughtoutside of Bridgeport or
(34:36):
somewhere over there and it was75 pounds.
Yeah, the next day I rememberthem saying that they actually
had to have the Coast Guard outthere to clear the area.
There was so many boats.
I'm like wow, people are nuts.
You know, like I hate to breakit to you, but the fish was
cordiric.
They're not running around.
(34:58):
Not too many 75 pound fishrunning around, no, swimming
around, but so, yeah, so that isone heck of a story I gotta
tell you.
Eddie Carroll (35:08):
Oh, thank you yeah.
George Scocca (35:09):
And just the fact that you do what you do, it's
great.
It's a great new fishery.
I guess it's a whole new way toenter the fishery.
I guarantee you what I castnext year or the year after, we
are going to start seeing tacklefor that type of fishing.
I have no doubt I candefinitely.
Eddie Carroll (35:30):
I mean, it is an awesome way.
I do feel like you're a littlemore connected with what's going
on out there just you and onthe board with the paddle If
you're not catching fish yet.
You have awesome scenery aroundyou and you get to be a part of
what's going on out there,which is the second biggest
reason I love being out there,if not the first, so it's a lot
(35:55):
of fun.
I appreciate you helping meshare the story, george, and
what you do for fishing in thesound Sounds like you do some
great work.
Yeah, I would like to say theonly reason I really was able to
catch the shark was because Itypically don't use wire leaders
or hooks like you use forbluefish.
(36:16):
I'm out there with circle hooks, mostly targeting striped bass.
So if it wasn't bluefishweekend, I probably would have
never landed the shark or had achance to land the shark.
George Scocca (36:28):
It would have cut right through the model leader.
I'm never knowing what it wasabout.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (36:32):
Yeah, so I think it just it was, you know, dustin
, happened.
It was a giant, incrediblypowerful animal.
It was, you know, eight to 10feet it was.
It was quite the experience.
George Scocca (36:45):
Yeah, that's great.
So it took a bunker.
Was it a live bunker?
Eddie Carroll (36:49):
It took a porgy actually.
George Scocca (36:50):
Oh, I'm sorry, that's right, you said porgy.
Eddie Carroll (36:52):
I knew I needed bigger and yeah, I typically
snag bunker and live line thosefor stripers and yeah, I got
some good See now in New York.
George Scocca (37:01):
that's illegal in New York.
We can't use, really we can'tuse live porgy anymore.
Eddie Carroll (37:07):
No, oh yeah, the porgy.
It was not live line in theporgy, oh okay, but yeah, all
right.
Yeah, it was a big porgy,though I'll tell you that.
George Scocca (37:18):
Well, we got a lot of those You've known as
well as I do.
Oh my God man.
We got a lot of porgies.
That's definitely one fishthat's not in trouble, but I
think it's causing trouble.
So, all right, look, I reallyappreciate this.
Maybe I'm going to get you aGoPro so you can get me some
video on what you're doing.
Eddie Carroll (37:39):
And I'd be greatly appreciate it.
George Scocca (37:41):
Well, we'll see about that.
We'll definitely keep in touchand I really I appreciate the
time and congratulate.
Oh, so look, what was theweight on the winning bluefish,
Do you know?
Eddie Carroll (37:53):
I do think it blew everyone out of the water.
I think it ended up being a 20pound fish.
George Scocca (37:58):
Wow See, I mentioned it and it happened
yeah.
I should have looked that upbefore we did this, but look,
eddie again.
I really appreciate this andgood luck, good fishing, and
we'll definitely be in touch.
Did you want to give a shoutout on your Instagram account,
or it doesn't matter to you?
You'd rather kind of keep itlow.
(38:18):
It's up to you.
Eddie Carroll (38:20):
Yeah, I mean, you guys can check me out on
Instagram.
That's where the video is.
Ed Carol05, c-a-r-r-o-l-l.
That's where the video is.
I've been starting to sharesome of my videos I have saved
from my experiences out there.
But no, I would love todocument.
I see a lot of cool stuff outthere.
George Scocca (38:43):
All right, we'll definitely put that on the back
burner.
I'll talk to you again soon.
I really appreciate the call.
Eddie Carroll (38:52):
Yeah, of course, and good fishing.
George Scocca (38:55):
All right.
Eddie.
Thank you, hold on, don't goanywhere.
Do you have any photos orsomething that I could just
throw up with this thing thatmaybe you could email me?
If you have anything that Icould add to the page, that
would be great.
Eddie Carroll (39:11):
Yeah, photo wise of the shark and you wanted to
see the board.
Yeah, that would be great.
I'm not sure if you have avideo of the board recently, but
it sounds like you need photos.
I'll take both.
George Scocca (39:22):
I'd love to have video too.
All that helps with the searchengine results.
We'll get a decent number ofviews.
So look, stop by New York,Angler.
I mean it says New York, butit's both.
I may actually expand it.
I'm not sure yet.
I own the domain namenorreastercom.
Oh yeah, I may start that up,but we'll see.
(39:47):
Okay, but look, I reallyappreciate this and you be sure
to have.
Well, it's going to be a lousyweekend, yeah.
Eddie Carroll (39:58):
But we got the fall run coming up, that's you
know part of the year.
George Scocca (40:02):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Actually, you know I got toplay some Florida, so I, you
know my wife likes to leave likethe first week of October, but
we're not doing that anymore.
I missed last year.
I missed the black fishing andforget that.
You know I need to catch my dog, so we're not leaving till the
end of October.
Eddie Carroll (40:21):
There you go.
Yeah, the run was late lastyear, in my opinion, you know
drapers were heavy and end ofOctober, so yes, I agree, yeah,
totally agree.
George Scocca (40:33):
All right, eddie, thanks again, I really
appreciate it and you know, goodluck keeping tight lines and
don't watch out for them, sharks.
Yeah.
Eddie Carroll (40:43):
Thanks guys.
George Scocca (40:44):
I appreciate it.
Stay in touch.
All right, thank you, I willThanks.
All right, bye.
Well, there you go, folks.
Just when you thought you'd seeown fishing.
I mean, what else can it be?
There's drones, there's kayaks,there's salt water fly, there's
their jigging and there'severything.
Now we have a new fishery, the.
(41:04):
I've seen it before, but yougot to stop by MYAnglecom and
check out the rig, the way it'smade up, and I mean I could see
this being a thing not for me,especially when you take a look
at the shark and how it was.
I mean I definitely would havefell off, not that the shark
would bite me, but I would havebeen in the water.
(41:25):
I know it.
So you can also see video andfollow Eddie at Edcarol05.
He's on Instagram, I'm guessing.
He's on Facebook and probably alot of other things, so you can
(41:47):
follow him and his inventors.
All right, everyone, thanksagain for stopping in.
I'll have another update nextweek.
I got a little dungonia now.
I think it's three or fourweeks in a row and I'm going to
keep you on top of the license.
And thanks again for the growthin listeners.
(42:09):
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