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August 30, 2023 21 mins

Ready to navigate the choppy waters of the New York State Fishing License? Buckle up for a deep-sea discussion where we tackle the ins and outs of the license, dissecting the survey that comes with it. We're sounding the alarm on its non-obligatory nature and the lack of Spanish translation, a massive oversight considering the booming Hispanic oceanic angling community. We’ll question the survey's assumptions, covering everything from fishing frequency to the proposed use of license revenue.


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George Scocca (00:01):
Hello all and welcome to another episode of
the New York Angler FishingPodcast.
My name is George Scocca and Iam your host.
So I got to tell you the otherday I like the fish market at
Over at North Shore Farms inComac and I go in there a lot.

(00:24):
So I happened to have beenfishing a couple of days before
that and we would see bassfishing and I couldn't get a
keeper.
I mean, I got 15-inch fish, Igot a couple almost 16, I just
couldn't get that keeper andit's very frustrating.
So you go to the fish marketthe next day and you walk in and

(00:49):
I could buy a 15-inch sea bass.
So I had to let them go the daybefore but I could have bought
one there in the fish market.
I just wanted to bring that upbecause I don't know about you,
but that gets me every singletime.
So today I'm here to talk aboutthe New York State Fishing

(01:12):
License that I have been talkingor that I've been covering over
on New York Angler for a while.
Well, it's here.
The state has issued anofficial survey and it's pretty
interesting.
I don't know.
It's kind of like a pre-surveyand then they can went to this

(01:36):
all it is other stuff about howmuch money you make.
I really don't know whether youneed to know all that.
But so I'm going to briefly gothrough this survey and before I
do I want to make it clear thatthey're kind of coming at you
where it's a done deal.
When you look at it and youread between the lines, it's
like basically you say you don't, and if you say you don't want

(02:00):
one, they still ask you well,what are you going to do if you
get one anyway?
What do you want to do then?
So I want to impress uponeveryone and I'm not trying to
influence anyone, I just want toimpress upon you that there's
been many times before that wehave dealt with this license

(02:23):
issue.
Many times we've beaten it downand many times we did lose one
time and then they ended uphaving to rescind the license.
So you don't have to actuallyaccept this license at all.
You don't have to fill out thesurvey, you don't have to do

(02:45):
anything.
Bye, it is time to put up orshut up, because this the state
does not put out a survey likethis unless they're serious.
I want to make a couple commentson the survey before.
I'm gonna read some of it toyou and let you know my thoughts

(03:08):
on it.
Just understand, going in, I'mjust not a saltwater licensed
guy.
You know, I kind of fishedaround the coast and I see what
a hassle dealing with it that itis.
I mean, I look, I know otherstates do it, but just because
they do that doesn't mean thatwe have to.

(03:29):
And again, I'm not trying toinfluence you.
I just want you to know youdon't have to sit back and take
it and in either case you doneed to be part of the process
because if you're not, you'reall gonna be heavily affected by
this license.
You just don't realize it yet.

(03:49):
Two things I want to mentionabout it before I get into the
license is one of our largestgrowing segments in saltwater
fishing in downstate New Yorkand Long Island is the Hispanic
community and this you cannotconvert this to Spanish.

(04:14):
It's just about.
I don't want to, I don't wantto say it was program, program
wrong.
But when you look at a URL thatsays survey one, two, one, two,
three, dot, dot, dot.
You know, I don't know, but allI can say is that it doesn't,
it doesn't translate intoSpanish and there are largest

(04:35):
growing segments and you're notgonna hear from I don't know 10%
, whatever it is of people,because they're not gonna be
able to read it.
The other thing is they somehowthink that they're only
allowing you to fill out thissurvey one time.

(04:57):
Well, nowhere in there do theyask for your name or your email
address or anything to confirmthat, in fact, you're only
filling it out once.
In fact, the truth is thatdoesn't work.
I switched to a differentbrowser.
I mean, it's literally if Iwanted to, and I'm not gonna do

(05:19):
this, so if anybody does, don'tblame it on me.
There's a million bots outthere you could buy for probably
50 bucks that'll fill out ahundred thousand of those in one
day.
So I don't know how they letthat, let that go, but in either
case they did.
So it's out the stay campy anymore serious than it is, and you

(05:44):
know that.
Here's a couple of questions,right.
So it starts out asking howoften you do your fish, what's
your primary method of fishing?
And they ask well, if you'renot fishing your primary method
of fishing, what's your secondfavorite?
That's why then they ask if alicense were to be implemented a

(06:09):
fee-based license how would youmost prefer revenue from the
license be used.
So they're assuming here thatyou're getting a license Nowhere
in there.
You don't have a choice here.
You could say none of the above, but if you check up you don't

(06:30):
want a license.
I'm gonna say you shouldn'thave to fill that out.
So they throw all these cutethings out in front of you,
which again, some of it I mean.
I guess it's they try, but whenit comes to funds in New York
state, you just you don't knowwhat's gonna happen.
So when anybody says adedicated fund, I've seen it too

(06:52):
often the funds get raided justhow it is.
So they start out with do youwant increased fishing access?
New and improved pears, rampsand parking Sounds great.
Support artificial reefdevelopment?
I don't know.

(07:12):
I see that as dumping pieces ofstuff we knock down into the
water and I think when we makeit a reef it probably saves
these companies money ratherthan having to get rid of it.
I mean, I don't know that for afact, but it kind of seems
easier to sink a boat thandecommissioning it.

(07:34):
They talk about they want tostrengthen law enforcement to
ensure compliance with fishingrules.
So rather than say what thatmeans, it means hire more law
enforcement.
I don't think it means buying acouple of drones or a couple of
dogs or something.
I'm totally opposed to that.

(07:55):
It's the state's responsibilityto ensure that the laws are
being enforced.
It's not a recreationalfisherman's responsibility.
Why should we pay for DEC lawenforcement when they do

(08:17):
everything?
I bet you the least they do isenforce fisheries regulations.
So I mean anythingenvironmental.
That's what the DEC does.
So why do we need to?
I mean, why can't you think outof the box a little bit rather
than hire more people?
Maybe the state who's supposedto be providing you law

(08:40):
enforcement?
Maybe they could just add somestate park rangers or something
who move some people around.
Why do we need DEC in big boats, the big expensive boats on a
Saturday and Sunday running allaround the place trying to sneak

(09:01):
up on people and checking them.
Why do we need that?
Wouldn't it be better to checkthem when they get back to the
dock?
That's when they're gonna haveto fish and not gonna be able to
get rid of them.
So why not, like many of theseincorporated towns, that you all
have their own local policedepartments?
Maybe they should throw a fewpeople on.

(09:23):
Or again, why not have stateparks police deal with it.
I don't think that we, asanglers, should be responsible
to pay for any law enforcement.
The last time we had a licensebecause we did have one a huge
chunk of that money went towardslaw enforcement and I just

(09:49):
don't see why we should pay that, you know.
Then they throw all this stuffout about enhanced shoreline
habitat, stuff we all want.
I mean there's nothing on herethat we don't want.
We all want it all, but wecan't afford to pay for all this

(10:11):
stuff.
I mean, let's face it, fishinghas always been free.
It's just the one thing thatyou know.
It separates, it doesn'tseparate, it unites us all, from
the poorest to the richest.
We go down, we all do wheneverwe want.

(10:33):
We wanna go to the beach andcatch the line.
We can do that.
Now you put out a survey thatthey can't even read in Spanish,
so I guess you don't want theirinput and it's only going to
make things harder on everyone.

(10:54):
Another thing to think about isyes, there are 26 out of 29
states right, they all have alicense.
They hit us all.
Everybody else is doing it.
They're doing it in California,they're doing it in Texas.
Okay, that doesn't mean we haveto do it in New York.

(11:15):
We are very different Manhattan, the Bronx, staten Island,
queens, brooklyn these are urbanareas with people that are many
people that live in paycheck topaycheck.
Now we want to hit them withanother tax Because, remember,

(11:35):
this is targeted to downstate.
This is not going to affectanybody upstate New York.
This is just our region.
So the one thing that we haveright now that unites us all is
we can go out there and have thefreedom to fish.

(11:56):
That's the way it's always been, and when we change that, it
will hurt the local businesses.
It's going to hurt the localangler that simply can't afford
it, or maybe he doesn't speakEnglish and doesn't understand
it At this time where we allwould inflation straight through

(12:21):
the roof.
Can we pick a worse time,anyway?
So then they go on to ask acouple more questions Basically
how do you want it?
And it's like when you see it,you'll see what I mean Not
asking you anything that'sreally that important.

(12:44):
I mean, look, you want toincrease ramps and piers and all
Isn't that great, but don'tprivate boaters, are they going
to use those ramps or is it justfishermen?
I my guess would be boaters.
Probably 10 to 1 will be usingthose ramps over fishermen.

(13:05):
So why do we have to pay forthem, unless, of course, you
need a fishing license to use aramp?
Now that's a whole differentstory, but that's not the case.
And how does that help to servefishermen?
Not too much, right?
So again, I don't know.

(13:31):
They tell us that we shouldpoint to other states, and
everybody else has one.
What I want someone to do is topoint to any state, whatever
that is, and show me or show ussomething positive.

(13:52):
That's come of it.
If you look at the history ofCalifornia and people like to
say what happens in California,what happens in New York?
California started out, I think, at $10.
They're now over $60.
And then you can also buystamps and whatnot.
You could spend $100 a year ifyou want to fish for everything.

(14:16):
You need to keep that in mind,because what's going to happen
is you're going to get the.
If they stuff us with thelicense, right after that,
you're going to be paying forstamps to keep certain fish.
So if you, for what differentspecies?
That's what they do pretty mucharound the coast right now, so

(14:39):
that's what they're going to dohere.
So you will be okay.
Buy dollars for striped bass,buy dollars for fluke $10 for
this and you forget to get itand you get boarded or whatever.
It is a lot.
One other point I do want tomake about the license is the

(15:04):
fishing industry and what itcould do to the sport fishing
industry.
We don't know if there's goingto be a blanket license for
charter boats and party boatsand all.
I'm assuming there are, butthere aren't in California.
In California I know thisbecause I fished there a couple
of times.
I party boat fished half daytrip and this is 10, like 12

(15:28):
years ago was like almost $150.
I mean, I had a rent, tackleand stuff but and we didn't
catch a thing on the whole boat.
So here, so over there,everything got raised.
No one there.
I talked to everybody.
You could give me any exampleof what happened.
You know what good they didwith that money.

(15:55):
And again, I want to talk aboutone other thing.
You know you are already taxed.
Everything you buy you pay a10% tax.
As far as fueling your boat andevery piece of tackle that you
buy, everything from a hook to areel, everything you pay an

(16:19):
extra 10%.
That's right.
That's a lot of money and thatmoney is supposed to be doing
exactly what this license theysay they're gonna do.
I don't know.
It's double taxation.
They're already taxing us forthe same exact thing that they
say they're gonna tax us foragain.

(16:39):
Yeah, it's just, it's the worsttime you could think about.
You're at the highest point ininflation and is 20 bucks.
Is it gonna break our bank?
Obviously not.
But look at the last time weput a license in the first year
we only had 150,000 people.

(17:00):
Right now we estimate we gotclose to a half a million people
fishing.
It is gonna hurt the industryand you know what I wanna make
it clear here.
I don't make money on theindustry, but I have a tie to
the industry.
They were supportive of methroughout my whole career and

(17:20):
they helped make me a successand I'll never forget them.
And they opened up my eyes to alot from party boat charter,
boat tackle shops.
I know everything there is toknow about that business and I
can tell you the license will bea huge burden, especially in

(17:41):
the beginning.
It's just a really bad time.
I mean it takes up to fiveyears to get back to where we
were, but it only kinda makessense.
You know you can't just go withanybody.
Whatever you want, you have tohave a license, even if it's a
license for that day.
You have that inconvenience andit's gonna deter a lot of

(18:03):
people from fishing.
There is, there can be, noargument for that.
It will deter people fromfishing.
I just hope that there's someonein the state that can stand up
for us and go to bat for us likewe used to have.
We've kinda lost that.

(18:23):
We need someone to stand up forus.
But I'm starting to go off on atangent.
I don't mean to, but you know,if we knew to right people, we
could stop this thing in itstracks.
And again, I'm not trying toinfluence anyone, but please

(18:45):
think about where the bulk ofthe money is gonna end up if
they stop us with it.
Please think about not checkingoff law enforcement when you're
filling out this survey.
Oh, I wanna make.
I wanna tell you one other thing.

(19:06):
This is it I promise.
So now you gotta have a licenseright.
You gotta make sure you goteverything.
You gotta make sure everybodyon a boat has a license.
You gotta make sure and youknow the time it's gonna come
where you forget to ask if theyhave a license or whatever, and

(19:31):
when they get on your boat youare gonna be responsible,
because as a private boat, youare responsible for all the
fishing on your boat.
If you're on a party boat, theparty boat captain is not
responsible for all the fish,unless he's holding them in his
containers.
So if that makes any sense, allright.

(19:55):
So yeah, oh, and, by the way,only fill out the survey once.
You can easily just keep doingit and doing it, and doing it.
But don't do that.
Don't do that please.
I mean, hopefully someone islistening and they'll get that
fixed, but in the meantime, stopby mlaanglercom.

(20:18):
We've got a lot of talk aboutthe license there, as well as
some great fishing information,and we're always looking to help
folks.
So, look, folks have a great.
Gonna be a little tough to getout, I know on Saturday I hope
to be going flukin' so get outas often as you can, and God

(20:44):
bless America and God bless usall.
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