Episode 83: "Clique Talk ft. Muzi"

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(00:04):
Yeah, my little your answer. I feel like I'm blessed, I feel
good enough because my ego skateboarders, so I'm like, I'm
looking for the moves and I've broke know, like, you fuck your,
but if also it's called devotionand it's like, it's in two
parts. This is the correct that I did.
This is the getting up those things where you look at it and

(00:25):
you see it and I get it. And then you try to tell you
body, I would work and then you doing a bodies right now, you do
have it on your body's like, okay.
As I get out, I know you do the rest.
It's on you. So you feel like I let me
respect myself till I want to, bro, I skilled man.
That's one reason I can. I want, I don't want to go to

(00:45):
the South African. Only be the guy blowing, the
whistle, I want to hit a couple moves.
You're not the only person goingThat are drunk and they have the

(01:10):
whistle like if I could have been, I don't go South Africa
and not by about. Yeah, I want to fight about it.
Yeah, I have them unless they, the code is the corners of South
Africa where everyone's like, too cool to dance but then I can

(01:33):
Like I could, you know the non look like a dancer to the
non-dancers like to be, if you know where that is just calling
me. He'll go to chill.
And I'm India just good luck with finding a place like
everyone could dance bro. Yeah, which would like the
school. You see?
The kids are the uniforms killing it.
Yeah, and I see the adults drunkas hell killing it.

(01:55):
Like, everybody dances in South Africa, being, I love that
though. It's amazing.
The reminds me of how one was Joseph.
Enjoy doing? No, I didn't German I can do but
translating it to bodily move there.
Bro, like I do, this is to step it up saying that maybe a little
shoulder shrug to step down, butit's like once you see what's
level 5 is like, you're like yeah, you gotta do, what's not

(02:18):
love on me. It was a bunch of South Africa.
So everybody was there. I'ma was playing the piano.
My God. Oh my shakes please.
Wow, Kenan goes, the mostly called the Amazon.

(02:40):
Hey, oh. That's the time I was playing
the piano every time I was playing the piano, don't mind
him he's gonna get Kim. Was there was a lot, there was a
lot of the world away in for it was a lot of happening, a lot of
fun. You see, the thing is, I can't

(03:35):
even added a. Yeah, I like don't even know how
to say. You have trained to have trade
your talk to you that place. I'm changed my whole life.
Pause you have trained your tongue to do as a sorry baby.
I'm since I have I feel like that's a compliment.
It's like what would happen if Ican't all right.

(03:58):
Cuz it's like, you can't what I heard was Ill that you actually
pronouncing an in Q and Q. Yeah.
Not a child. No, no see.
That's the thing is like there'sno breakdown between The Q NQ +
GQ. I think so.

(04:18):
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Show me the GQ. So it's like is that's the cue
only and then is the in queue and then is the weight bra?
Is that they're all different? No, I hear clicks.
What the GQ was so fast, my getslike the words of riped it would
gather like, yeah, it is. You did you say thank you?

(04:39):
Thank you. I can break down a little bit.
Yeah, but the GQ just did you cued recall, soap Powerful head.
They have their own magazine is very nice.
I fought the urge, not to make aGQ reference, where you couldn't
fight it, like I heard. Yeah.

(05:14):
He always knows please. I can't see clearly.
Now we I'm still mad that I can't do this.
Gee, I can't know. You hit know that was close.
That was close. The first, the the first thing I
thought I was doing a cute and he said he's close.
Yeah. Those are those toes anyway.
Maybe where you from? I'm from Connecticut, I am from

(05:43):
yorubaland in present-day, Nigeria, okay?
Like maybe that you could teach me something like, in your
language. Like, I could teach you how to
appreciate fine. I saw that again.
The family show guys. Family show you guys.
This is its tongue. Clicking don't know, it's rated.

(06:06):
Oh I like that. I like that.
I like that. That's fine.
We reading we recording. Okay.
So, do II intron. Let's get started.
Come do it, all, welcome to everyone.
What? Welcome to every wow, I wish

(06:28):
better. Welcome everyone.
An episode 83 of know how the pocket beeping their horns are
honking horns. My name is tunde.
I'm joined by my co-host Bow. Wow and we have a very special
guest. Yes sir yes so all the way God
from the kind streets. Hmm of South Africa a my brother

(06:51):
that the Zulu Skywalker hey yeahI mean talking shit talking I
have mu Z in the house. Hey We are extremely excited to
have you on the show. I'm excited that I'm definitely
like wild. And by having you still have the
a I'm listening to Mu Z its time, he's here at the vision

(07:14):
but after it wasn't weird, I'm telling you how The Empire who
got to get out of look at that. Why we just lost the
sponsorship? Know, we focus.
I know. Know we're back we're back we're
back for that 3. Second Apple what Jew?
No no this to this token of Muskoka, you know?
I have too much investment, and don't you mean you like, you
know, like back in like early 2000s, when people had those,

(07:36):
like Bluetooth, like things for your, we still make fun of them,
it's the same thing with the people that you think are still
the same, the uncles and truckers that I had.
Yeah. If it's like that, as I was
always the drivers to let go foryour phone is just like hanging
by. Yeah.
I think it pods are like that thing.
I agree. They would come to the bride and
they would just have the. Yeah.
Just just like that. Dragon will do you good Is loud.

(08:01):
I can't hear you now. Like the mic is better true?
Joe, let's go have fun. Do you would hear them from down
the block? Like hoping minding your
business and somebody just walking?
Yo, yo yo yo, yo, yo is that your essay accent?
What? Okay cool.
Anyway movie is no wacky well that now we're back to Ghana
Tanzania. Okay.
Okay we're trans guineans by theway as we all do you see the

(08:24):
flag? Yes but we're trying skinny but
sometimes okay, the trans got nails and get hectic.
What does that? What does that mean?
Trans got it? It's what you identify as oh you
know, so your essay, you know, you could travel to warming but
is is he? Well that's why I'm about to get
to your essay right? And you could travel the world
and like you know what? I connect more with this group.
Ok ok no ok. I'll connect more with them or

(08:46):
the. Well you can't.
Okay. You know the neighboring
countries is alone is little static.
So little bit what countries have you been to outside?
You are not like if you weren't from sa.
Who would you? Where would you like a soldier?
My mom is from Zim. Oh, shut up to this is.
Yes. Oh, she's from, she's from

(09:07):
there. Um, and but these are obviously
at neighboring countries like they moved.
Like when she was young to SouthAfrica, okay?
And then I was brought up Zulu because I was in case then.
Oh, wow! So look at you.
You can run for president and say, I'm literally my whole
future. I'd never know.

(09:28):
Okay? I'm so which country would you?
You say you'd be trance-like, doesn't have to be a neighboring
country. There's just a country you've
been to Angelo. I like the way this country
works. In Africa or anywhere, we're
judging. You should pick the wrong place,
but we hold on. He's Intergalactic.
So he doesn't have to. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just trying

(09:49):
to think I'd be a little awkwardif he said his country, I don't
know. I don't know.
I don't know about the country, but I like, I like New York.
I like like me. Also, your transamerican is
transamerican. Nah.

(10:35):
Jenny Jenny, I'm trying to redeem my G and Mike you.
Yeah I am. And by Kenny, I'm back home, I
say because when I read it, I was a wdesk somewhere.
There was no engine. That was a w.
Is this an anatomy? There was no less thing.
I read it, I read it. And I was like, yeah.
All the township isn't goalies and goalies and but it's like

(10:56):
it's obviously, it's like no time it so happy.
I wait. What is the hardest?
I don't need this, the hardest gloomy.
What is the hardest Zulu? Or close?
Our do you know, But to pronounce.
I don't want to embarrass myselfhere last night, right?
No, I've embarrassed myself. A long time.
I've had to go, we could both can be doing it.
Yeah, whoo. So tell us about this.
I'm moving on, I'm moving, I'm just okay.

(11:16):
How does that sound know? Because, you know, because my a
safe can't hate the both of us. Do not gonna hit me because I
could pronounce my bed, huh? And their women in that, I hate
you already exact know that, I don't know what you're talking
about, okay, they one minute butyou did last time, that's what
that's plus 1, and not so good. It was Botswana, you did.
Yeah. Okay, you were good and we're

(11:36):
going to say, huh. Even then my means, I may have
heard you then fake it when girls when you were young
tasting, your your wife. That's not what happened at all,
okay? All right, no, no time for us to
go to Haiti. Look at that big and they go.

(12:03):
Oh! Oh sorry.
Hache, we don't find it when it's like not hectic.

(12:23):
I love Cape Town camps, Bay Stellenbosch, I love French irk.
You want to do the wine country stuff.
I've actually driven from Port Elizabeth to Cape Town before
all isn't everything that it's anice dress of beautiful drive in
the longest. Longest hell, yeah.
But if you would Somebody's Daughter it's a great time.

(12:45):
You know time. Yeah.
Yes. That person doesn't hate me.
That one. That wasn't me.
And she's not from Botswana oven.
So she's deaf. She's from Krypton.
Okay cool. Just like in Chuckles, I know
you said there static and boughtsome shoutouts to shoutouts is
calm. Shut up.
Did you see what I'm talking about?
This is just over onto the decided tomorrow, because I

(13:30):
spent time in Ghana, and I didn't have any of those
electrons. To me, I was in the moving peak
in 2018, I know. Yes, if we came after we came
after on a slow down. Oh, that's why?
Because of that, we can be a powerful.
Yeah, yes, yes we came out. Throwing whatever to will slow
down the power. Post post Runner pre monkey pox.
So know we were living. Well, we thought we were

(13:50):
drinking bad headache and he wascoronavirus exactly.
We thought. Oh wow.
Who are drinking? But Hennessy and for Hennessey
was 250 and it was 150. Yeah.
Oh, you got expensive please. Anyways, back to move.
Don't mind. But yes.
So I won know how, you know young muzie was obviously.

(14:11):
I know you were into skateboarding, you know before
your love for music. How was the town?
What was life? Like um said Normal Man grew up
in a Township in the design and it was just like, I don't know,
every kid's life like you go to school, you come back, like do
your chores and then you go out and play or something and then I

(14:33):
just used a skateboard when likeother people playing like
Florida, state parks and all that.
That's what I'm saying, like is this, okay?
And then you would impact the culture that is that because

(14:54):
more kids might want to do it because hey it was a swim here.
Grew up here and this does this now.
Yeah it's like was that someone that led you into it, right?
Is that Let's start. I my, my cousin used to
skateboard and he was from Durban.
Select, Urban has a skate park since I was just like, so he
used to like skateboard professionally and they are.

(15:15):
Well, I just used it every time I would visit him and be like,
what is this? You know, what was approximately
from Durban to where you grew up?
Like, 200 km away. And I said, yes, I work.
Two hour drive on and a half. Thank you for cuz Americans are
no kilometers. So, don't let Smiles.
I don't know. My yes.
What's that talking about? The proximity from there to,
like kwazulu-natal, but both of those items when that's how God

(15:38):
looks like. Dublin is like Central concern.
Until now and then banging is like not.
So there's so many like entertainers that are from that
area like even a species from Griffin, right?
Yeah. Yes, Korea.
What would your first exposure into like electronic music?
Like, how did you? Oh, my my dad, my dad used to.
He's to buy like bump compilations and stuff and like

(16:01):
used to play like a lot of Daft Punk.
When I was A kid, and a lot of like faithless and just all
these like, interesting soundingthings and then, my brother was
into hip-hop, but like he loved Lincoln Park.
So, when I used to, like when used to play that, it would be,
it'll sound like rock, but it's hip hop.
And it's like just like mashed up like differently with all
these like stop-start parts and I was just like, you know, what

(16:23):
is this? And then I sort of got into it
that way but I wasn't creating at that time was just like
obviously the prize or soaking it all in and stuff.
And and they like later on, I Even when I started making
music, it wasn't, I wasn't making electronic music.
I was making hip-hop. Yeah, you know, because I don't
know, it felt like that was likemy brothers were doing.

(16:44):
It was the cool thing to do you had bars.
I was about to ask, you never were tempted to get in the hard
streets. What?

(17:28):
What rhymes with you gonna be fried?
I'll try to see how worst bad. I'll shock was that video worse
than was, you had? No, that's those better.
It's better. Yeah.
Wow, was a kid. I'm trying really hard time to
get bad, right? You were a kid you Adams?
I have to think about being bad but your vocab is better because

(17:52):
you're old. Wow, you won by with fried old.
Okay old. Wow, you die.

(18:28):
Is that was fleas. Don't fight the urge roll fight,
the urge Geisha. Yo, easy, I'm sorry.
Ah, but mixing languages and I'll teach you, teach me and

(18:49):
I'll teach you don't charge me not alone.
Okay, thank on. Thank you.
Okay, I see you guys on the show.
I rock with my sap. No, no.
You guys specifically both on the same wavelength, so don't
put this on. Sa both of you.
That's crazy. Cool.
No. I'm just gonna be the sane one
in this podcast is looking like,wow.
See this is how diaspora Wars star you can just rock with the

(19:11):
no, I'm gonna stay and you can'tjust say that can't be true for
this to be trans out, but it's not.
It's just you guys being on a different wavelength from the
rest of us just in when they come for you.
On the South Africans. Hold me down.
They won't be. Don't worry how many dances are
you trying to help them this holds?
Down there won't be. Oh, let me stop your head.

(19:31):
Did not move, didn't they supposed to know?
It's okay. That's cool.
All right, cool. Boozy of rather.
So you left. Eight, Mile gotta know where I
live. I want to know nobody's Under

(19:52):
the Influence this morning. Also I hope this is my hope
water, it's early. I don't know if y'all had
breakfast. I have not, I have not.
So it's just it's just Vibes right now.
It's oh yeah, flat night vision.Don't be random staring and
laughs going. Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I'm Lucy. So hip-hop, we're here.
Making hip hop beats, right, right.

(20:15):
Oh Mom, no bars, no bars, no buddy.
I'm fine. So that was it.
That was your name. No bars.
No crazy. That we know what's a Google?
We just go to Google Toolbar. No bars.
He was even on the beach. Yo I can fella.
Yo yo if he had imagined if no bars had like features from like

(20:41):
Who doesn't fall the listing? Okay.
You gotta say all of them. Okay.
All of them, the rapper, all of them.
So how do we Transit now from hip-hop?
Yeah. So like did was I sounding
between, or did you just straight?
Did you guys like Brown went more sa sounds?
I think I think, like the way asI was even approaching it at the

(21:04):
time, I wanted to be different from the other guys that were
making hip hop beats. So like and then because of
that, I was trying to like put in like like the electronic in
the sample and the other things,and not necessarily is sampling
and but like more so just like being like, Oh I heard that cool
like break on like house track. And then let me try to put that

(21:25):
into a hip hop song. Sorry, just to try because I was
doing it for my brother's because they were like grabbing
okay. Oh yeah.
If I fucking make them sound, like just like a bit cooler
with, like, changing the beat here and then making a
difference. So only, I was always
approaching it in a different way and then, Then.
And then I realized that since Iwas m.c. no bars that like my
Paws with trash because like those like I had a friend who

(21:49):
was like really good and I was like, you know what, let me
focus on making the beats and just let him like shine as I and
let me see. And so I started focusing more
on just like production and thenthat goes on for a while like we
start a few groups I could performing and stuff but I was
never like confident enough to like Beyond the mic myself,

(22:12):
like, you like my singing and stuff, I'd always like, write
songs and be like, oh yeah, using this Royal name of the
group. So you're in.
I was, I was in a group called witness the funk witness before
monk. Yeah, we're like, we sway, like,
like different colored laces. And I know that sounds pretty,
you know, you don't like when Lily came through, like, the
skinny jeans, but now, there's astore.

(22:33):
There was a thought that we'd ever talked about it but like,
those are stored. Called JJ's in South Africa and
these are like all these different colored jeans and
stuff. So guys were killed.
We used to do these, do all of that and then I sort of like
stop that and liked any way. Did you guys perform by the way

(22:54):
you just perform in Varsity at the time, like was like a bit
late. I was like 18 or performing like
school. And oh, what do you say?
A college college. So, sorry, univer, Universal
University. You're ready for the, you New
York. We don't we don't get you a New
York College, will get your New York ID.
Yeah, well, with all its doing that.
Like like like talent shows and stuff and and then I liked like

(23:18):
an didn't feel right for me anymore.
Like this whole like hip-hop thing cause I was, I wanted to
make like electronic music and house music and stuff.
So I left the group and I just like started trying to go into
that part and yeah, and then I made like a year later a year
later dropped out of school. So that's like another thing.

(23:38):
But like I already forgot. I left school early.
Like what's the speech? I look at them with the
superhero. I did you tell them.
You had The Bravery to say that.I was like, don't do it.
Don't do it. I was about to say no, no, no,

(24:08):
he's gonna understand. Cool.
Anyway. What was the conversation like?
Um, it was I waited to like end of the year and I just called
called my mom are you then doinga person?
Oh, what's up? What would it do that?
Yeah, that's his walking. And when I do, I do, I do it.

(24:33):
So you just called it called herto tell her gold everyone else I
called. Yeah, I'll call the nose like
I'm done with this thing. I was studying medicine.
Oh, and I my God, which is like question.
How many languages did she cut you out in just like, just for
before, I know she just likes tostop the call.
Oh, she just say she clickers. That's how upset she was.

(24:56):
She was like, am I gonna do he clicked?
Damn. Yeah.
Doesn't he just use like she's gonna do this?
And then my friends because I was in turbine at the time.
So my friends are like, Oh yeah,like with your mom, like called
us and she wants you to come back home.
So I was I had to go back home. Now, of course, now we would
drive when you get home. If one is ready for you, like my

(25:18):
whole family and I are trying toguess why you're deciding not to
this, what's the real reason andthey don't, they don't care.
But the reason it's like it's like you can't do this, you
know. So it does like that it's like
intervention time and I was justlike I'm not happy, you know.
And then they're like, okay, then go on and do your thing but

(25:40):
like on but no one's talking to me.
Not not, not the good. Go at not.
Not like I wish you, well, that's more like it now, you
think you can Have you know everything.

(26:04):
Go is a lifetime conversations? Like yeah, it's great heavy.
I can't even imagine the two-hour journey home.
You know. Yo do not kill.
You know how crazy that was every tree.
Every stop. Every 50 kids.
Yeah, you can, you get off that bus and you like you sure.
You sure. We hear you don't want to keep

(26:25):
driving by that. My brother face me.
I like nose. Just like quiet the whole time.
Oh snap. Just think about what do you
got? I'm like they ready for me to
come there. It's like that's like walking
your butt like to walk in with you cuz when your brother gets
home. I'm a I'm a watch.
You see, right? No, F stay in your room.
If I was the one putting them inyour grandma.

(27:03):
Go out of came in with other came in, with my textbooks.
What are y'all talking about? I learned something.
I know how to work a Band-Aid now.
Well, what I see the prince thought about like, oh yeah, I
know, that's what it was, it wasbad, it was really bad.

(27:25):
And then I remember, I had like 200 rounds, like, what's 200
rounds and dollars like I don't know how to convert the top
dollars or something. What like Salinger rains do for
you like take you back? Yeah yeah.
And and so extra or nada nothingGod I just like like after that
it was like okay should I'm not like welcome here anymore.

(27:46):
That's so took my bags and I just went back to the urban.
Did I feed you that day was there for what those over food
How was it wasn't like? Hey, I'm so embarrassed, when I
change my major. Oh wow, it's a story.
I cooked, I cooked, I cooked forthe house that day.

(28:11):
I cooked with a house that day and I was like and they also
date before you told them. Oh yeah.
So they can soften the blow. Took the plate didn't work.
This tweet and glory to God. Be the glory.
I am because I went from bow used to be extremely overweight.

(28:32):
It was that moment D. I believe any of this that you
know, man's full of that stress.That's why again, the South
African when you go back to aesthetic and I'm like, you went
on that guy's what cast me? I survived Global Citizen First
on unharmed age where they owned, that was crazy.
Don't have street that have street lights on and the
security that handle the event. Got a little buzz at home

(28:53):
watching that show awareness wasjust I wearing and I was like,
let me get out of here and you never, you never instincts
kicked in apps. You have to what the fun started
going down. I said, where are the lights
that are supposed to power? That's not kicking.
It is not even kicking out. It's not kicking in or out.
I need to go because what happened was once the sun

(29:14):
started going down, people started like getting traffic and
trampling each other. Some people were the security
guards are being accused of Of like assaulting people.
Like, it's actually crazy stuff.I don't know how they ever.
Like, I don't know how PR on that.
Didn't? Yeah, I'll take it.
They cut it. As soon as I travel, no started
soaking. I'm like, oh yeah, this is about

(29:36):
wow. Are you a Trevor?
Noah fan super. Oh amazing no no Castle!
Trevor know, I felt like the country loves him.
I'm always like I did people that I like, yeah, it's not my
cup of tea type thing. He's amazing.
Yeah. Have you been on his show yet?
No, we're going to manifest that.
Yeah. Trevor Noah, yes.
Trevor Noah, put your boy, let'sgo on the show.

(29:57):
Yeah, it's so y'all can talk about South African stuff and I
could be in the corner. Say me, I'm saying saying, hey,
shh fish. He just keeps flexing and I
can't pick it up but no, I respect it because the same way
we never mind. I'm not going to do it.
Not us doing it or not. We got this.
I respect the click, you know, if I had a superpower and nobody
else could do it, I would Flex. I should all day cause and

(30:19):
that's why I say, people dancingall over the place and click.
And I was running late and we can't do it.
If I could simultaneously, clickand dance bro.
You wouldn't be here right now. Where would I be tour dates.
Thank you. So you could think you could
dance, come see, tuned a horrible dancer.
I'm a horrible cook or to robonaut horrible, click or two.

(30:39):
So I'm has two moves to moves. He's a liar because I have I
have I have three at least consume to to have at least he
does he does. He does the half Shoki.
The half show. Keep it doesn't finish it.
No, but I get that have show Theknees on dead.
So you can, yeah, I wear your knees.
I can I can choke but your theseare your knees are not there.
So what was the point of adding not?
I'm why were you asking - I'm half empty.

(31:01):
So those has done yours has got that case that and then he does.
The look, can you off his mic? Please comment below The
Longshots is Mike. It is the Lord, this is the one
he does. When his, you know, when you are
not when you see you, you know, you see your friend Angela.
Oh shit. My boy be like I was no, I was
not invited O'Brien that I like that one.

(31:22):
Rise in the few. That's it.
No. As cuz he can't dance.
You can, there's no for South Africa, you can't rap beat your
knees, don't work. Mmm.
And my awareness of babes babes are not gonna ruin my life don't
work, right? We all have our strengths and
our weaknesses. Let's focus on our strengths.

(31:42):
You know, I'm saying? We're all here watching life.
You transguy knee in. You know, I'm praying.
South African. Listen, he's transamerican and
we're all here. We're all happy.
I'm we can dance and he can dance as much as other South
Africa. Yes.
So we're playing. Okay, we'll put a like, that's
true. I just, I think I was watching.
I was watching the videos that Iwas here really to get steps

(32:04):
from from Uzi. How was, how was that?
How was that experience? It wasn't.
There was no na like the music part.
I'm like, this is amazing. I'm like, I let me watch some
performance. Nah, it's just like, Dad moves
the whole time. I like it though, because then I
feel comfortable. I'm well, I'm not like you
didn't you didn't listen to my my dance enough.
Aye. Aye.
You did it? That's your favorite.

(32:25):
I have my favorite. Love it.
Which one is your favorite? I don't know how to pronounce
it. It's MC A&E.
Oh no. Three.

(32:52):
You and I kept seeing things, I can't pronounce you have been
vibing. Now, I really love that song and
you know there's a little light tongue, click in the song and I
was like like I'm here you know,you're hearing something and
you're just an ass is like yeah I can't have it, it's just not

(33:13):
happening it bothers my soul, itabsolutely bothers my soul.
I feel like a tourist just just like as doing too much in.
A space like, so, I'm just here.Like, let me just sleep.
Good job, guys. You doing great over there.
I can't pronounce it. I wet.
It really bothered me that he goes on.
Most of the records that I love are in English.

(33:34):
I just closed it down. I might have to go find a new
favorite song, so I could put ontight.
And I want to say in England in the titles are in English.
No, no. That's what I said.
So I can pronounce it because I can't, he just Shrugged and said
it, Good Vibes. Only sounds like it was made in
Lagos but that's just my opinion.
The new one. I'm Chicago danger cargo a day
in Chicago. To get his.
Well, I can pronounce all the words in there.

(33:55):
I'm proud of you. You should think about a New
York title. I'm proud.
Of least, please they and Chicago.
I'm validated. I gotta go.
Yeah, it don't, it's cool. That's so that's that's how you
actually say it. Wow, he talked to the Native

(34:16):
Americans that named Chicago andsaid, okay this is how if you're
in such A day in Chicago, in South Africa.
So I'm gonna make myself to makethat my favorite song, since I
can pronounce all the words in that song.
So when I say oh, have you hearda day in Chicago?
Because now it's a pronounce. It, I really have to say, I have
you heard McAn e by mu Z. No.

(34:37):
No. Have You Heard Em?
See no bars first. Oh my God.
Yeah. Do you got a registry key?
It's an angry. I could see I could just see him
with them colorful jeans. Just bopping the wicked Funk.
Was it the wicked know it is thewitness.
The one is will focus on TV. Good folks.
I was like, the, like the tether, the tether form of
wooden wooden block, not could you seem them skinny jeans, just

(34:58):
slide down when they go to the upside down paint colors?
They're all like, oh my God, a wicked folksy T.
He way to go back. Else is witness the funk.
This is wrong. This is wrong.
Not, it's not the genes of colorful.
Now, the genes are monochrome anything's monotone.
Everything just cream color. Oh my God, regular and Levi's,

(35:20):
which is wicked. Fucking all the other All their
uniforms, baggy jeans with visormy goggles.
Oh yeah, I could see Modi. Hip-hop, look, Wicked Funk,
100%. Wicked for a please.
Stop saying that. That's the that's right.
Miss the fun. Witness.
No you don't. What were the other names of
your goofy? Said there was multiple groups.

(35:42):
It was just that one with no, no.
Used to call ourselves College college boys earlier iccb,
right? Not be.
It was in BO is or regular boys.B:00 wise Z.
Yeah. Zed zed.
Yeah, okay. Okay, thanks.
But I could easily see it be being b 0i z.
Yeah. Just like I actually already

(36:04):
said I was like him. Witness the foxes for where we
are right now. Yo, I'm going to see you
imagine, like, hitting of stogieTeam by yo, do you remember?
I'm see, no bars inside. Yeah, I remember that.
I remember him. He was though, I'm so mad at
you. I say x.

(36:24):
I'm checking. Yeah.

(36:45):
Somebody put me behind Now, Blake.
I think South African woman. Would you act what I?
What I yeah, I've kind of dabbled.
Oh, snap. Like funny.
She's don't know that you can see how do, you know he used to
wrap as well? Oh, God.

(37:15):
A strip club in Chains and like you're about to go spend money
on somebody's daughter. That's not nice.
You don't go away. First of all we always support
the sex workers. Okay, then we are, I'm saying
like yeah, this is a pro female-friendly pro-women
podcast. Uh-huh, love are women but and
is that about their? There's always, but a getting

(37:40):
this could, but they're do know me.
What kind of question is the least?
That's what you want, too. Behind not by always want to
stand behind. Don't cool.
Okay now just making sure like. So we're going to move on we're
gonna move on. So now we're gonna move on those
dates you performing outside, you know I know you said you
would go to Durban and perform or Beyond how was that like how

(38:02):
did that start as it was at a manager or your crude?
I put you on. How did you get?
Yeah it was, it was just like uslike going to, I guess, I guess
do promoters but we didn't know that's what they were.
At the time it was just like theperson that's putting up there,
the talent show at school, and we'd just try to get a slots and
like try to perform that way andthen when I started working,

(38:27):
when I go off to school like when I started like working with
joy and then we started like doing it like professionally.
So I also John Shaughnessy John Big John, you know.
Yeah. So it's like it's like Did like
being but then at the time even when I was doing that, I was

(38:48):
DJing because because it was like because I remember I wanted
to make beats and then I figuredout that like I could perform my
beads by DJing. So it's like growing started.
Like just like it was a way of me empowering myself really and
so that went on for a while until oh yeah until I was

(39:09):
playing this gig right and like they cut my set to like five
minutes, that's the worst. It's the worst thing in the
world and backwards the whole plan but it builds character.
It builds character that when you, when your dad when you
have, it's been a tap in the mirror you DJing somewhere, you
know, if I don't my friends, everybody's excited to see you.
Yeah, you thinking yourself going to go from at least 45

(39:30):
minutes then it cuts you. I like 30.
You'd even played, you didn't play that.
You didn't you didn't. You didn't have to do like the
meat of like I guarantee you howto record you like you 00 lat.
When I hit him with 28 minutes at that 20 minute Mark, I'm
gonna drop this and shut it downthere.
Yeah. For your like and I'm like, so
they cut it down and I had like five minutes.
Oh man, why'd you cut you? Why they cut you do.

(39:51):
Don't tell me they cut you. For like another artist.
Of course they did. They always do that.
Was to of course they did all. This was bigger than me.
Know. And, you know, and people are
like they just decide to have a jam sesh right into you.
Yeah, it's really is that artists Still Still big.
Now you have to Name the artist but is that are like compare
them from then till now, our is there, have they maintained
their no? No, they're not send me the West

(40:14):
Coast. We would put Marty on them.
Don't worry. Oh wow, quick fast.
The think he knows if we don't do Juju in South Africa.
Oh my God. Then do it.
Thank you. We don't do june South Africa.
We go to the get image. And we thought the ant is a, a,

(40:36):
a, this is, this is what is bothering me is?
What for dream is a picture nameor just that one eye contact.
Okay. Can get into okay that deep, you
know, I'm tired. I'm a Child of God.
Is it a mission? I'm a Child of God.
I don't go D. I just don't see you.
Just you just telling me and especially this painting.
You think that's what happens isyou like with like yikes?
Nope. Don't even know.

(40:58):
Because you mentioned you know what it is.
It's like when you when you knowthat There are known unknowns.
Yeah and also and also unknown unknowns, I prefer to not even
think about those things becauseit's a defeat isil.
Is it easy? But either way, we have Jesus a
so, you know, we pray and you always protect those cover.

(41:20):
Tom works, 100%. I don't I don't I don't partake
in the the, that sort of energy anymore that would make anyone
go in that direction the Moose handle.
No, no, I like to wrap that shit.
I just know people that you know, are comfortable.
If they ever had to go that direction, you must have done
something really, really bad, really bad.
Like like you got engaged to someone and then stood them up

(41:42):
and then like got jacked up. Yeah.
Okay. You see I've ever watched that
movie. Khaidi boner.
No. So good South after movie.
I forgot the actress's name but basically they would you watch
it? And I say no I watched it here.
It's on Netflix. Like I normally do I thought you
were doing a Netflix and chill. No no no.
I mean it wasn't probably says It wasn't necessarily need took

(42:05):
a drive from Port, Elizabeth get, right?
There's only so much. You do first.
Exactly. Right, so beautiful view.
Like you know, romantic the truth is Natasha Tehani.
Oh, okay. Now, I haven't checked it out.
She's amazing. By the way.
I send that through, let me check it out of it and I

(42:26):
Natasha. Oh wow.
Okay, I contact not a. She said hache no make the eye
contact. I don't know.
But Asians like many it has manymeanings.
Things that was magic, your bodymove.
His is that is that your that's your body motion?
It looks like you're sleepy. Wow, it looks like I'm super
scared to see. That's why we go to South Africa
because you think while sleepingthat's why you end up sleeping

(42:46):
off. Is that a threat?
No. Never.
Oh I didn't set it like a month.I sound like a multi promise for
a second. It's not you sleep off.
That's hilarious. All right.
Back to the DJ. She said short yeah the cutter
said sure. Yeah.
And then I was like and I only have enough time for one song.

(43:12):
So I like I remember like a plate like this like remix that
I had and then I teach it and like my song and then I was
like, let me just take the mic and performance because I was
already like singing on it on record and that started me doing
the whole like DJ performing like nothing so it actually He
liked it actually helped me. Choose a common response.

(43:34):
Like he would say things and youwould have the crew.
Yeah. So so so I did not and I don't
do it man and I just performed the song but it was like more
because I was like, man, people are not even gonna see me come
in the stock low like corn on the side like some supposed to
DJ for five minutes, it's going to sound like background music.
So I was like, let me just like take the cues this opportunity

(43:56):
and then started teaching and Performing then.
So it is like like the, the sir Relation of it has been organic.
I've been like pushed into thesespaces where I needed to like
Empower myself and then yeah. Now I'm just like doing that.
No, I know and obviously we're doing that.
You've gotten a lot of recognition.

(44:17):
You ran love from artists outside of sa and say, what was
reaction? Like, when you get a member of
Coldplay? Like, yeah, this, this boy is
bad. Like, what was that like?
Well like again, N-now is crazy.Also, because I was playing, I

(44:38):
was billed as a, as DJ not Funk of a fun Paris, but like, the
way it was like, the, the, the DJ, like setup was like, like,
in front of me, like this, but behind me was the stage, but the
stage had that curtains because I think I think, when I was
playing off do something, but like those a bit of like,

(44:58):
there's a gap there. I was like, you know what, I'm
gonna just jump. They perform at songs come back
and DJ. So I was doing that so I still
like doing my sort of DJ performance thing but but like I
had to just climb up onto the stage every time job back doubt.
It was you know, it was just like crazy, you know, but in me
doing that I didn't know that like Chris Martin wasn't was in

(45:22):
the Crowd gasps. Oh, so I was just like, you
know, I'm gonna I'm in Paris like I'm going to make sure that
yes, they see what I do is and word in Paris.
How much you're my brother's fault exact word in Paris.
Hey, hey, hey, I was doing that and

(46:02):
When I finished performing like he was waiting for me, like
backstage. Oh, nosedive.
Kyo. Like that's one of the best
things I've ever seen. That's right.
And then he was like to have an album coming out and don't want
to like, do a remix and work on that.
That's amazing. I know that would.
Yes. So if you did it.
Yeah. So so John and I are like on our
way back home. You like crazy.

(46:23):
It's crazy. But it's time we get home.
Get home till like a hotel like he had already sent the email.
Wow, that's amazing. That's a Snappy actually.
Ain't it, you know? And like just from that point on
his been like, super supportive man, that's awesome.
How did you meet storm? Z Stones e Nando's who had

(46:43):
started doing a music program tobecause they had like a lot of
restaurants in the UK. Shoutouts to Nando's the UK
Nando's don't bang as hard as the essay Nando's but we're not
going to go there. It's fine.
The only so I say nana petty, petty does not ban guys.
It's not it's not it's not as hot.
It's not as xoc right now. So see, we're okay, but it still

(47:04):
fires, so fine. But like it's like when you go
to guys like when you think KFC here but he go to Jamaica and
it's like wow, why don't we haveKFC?
Like this is it's like feel the pain.
They changed it slightly for like the sort of pellet of like,
where they are in mass production.
We've talked about this before, but when you eat chicken in
Nigeria, you can feel the journey that the chicken went

(47:26):
you. Alright, you can taste the
character, the With the termination shock of that
chicken. All the way suck.
Yes, although it's good.

(48:02):
Was good. I'm not gonna fight.
Wow, this is good. I'm impressed and I'm impressed.
I'm exactly, thank you, thank you.
I want to give a bit so I don't I don't know how you do it this
all the time. Hey, I don't know how to do with
myself. That sounds.
All right. Yeah, please.
We're gonna move on cause you'regonna take this before.
So yes Nando's. So, yeah.
So they wanted to. So a lot of I guess, they

(48:24):
customers in the UK thought thatNando's was put your keys,
right? Yes, but not as is that African
correct? So they It's sort of like stop
making that connect so that people could like know that it's
a South African brand and they figured like the best way to do
that would be through music. So they started a Music Exchange
program and stones and I would like the guinea pigs of it.

(48:44):
So did you get over Nando's though?
SoundCloud like that? Like like I think a friend of
ours is like your Nana's. Don't start this music program
and like just send them your music and stuff and then and
then we sent it to them and they're like, okay, cool.
Let's do it. It was very like easygoing like
And yeah, so that's so I was, I was, I went to the UK and then I

(49:09):
brought Stone Z back to so that's awesome.
So does that's how I made him. That's really cool.
So, how much time I got? But even with the Nando's thing
with the Portuguese stuff, but are the two Founders, want to
get Portuguese, but both of themare African.
But I think that they put your keys with the constant like they
lineage. Yes, I try to of Portuguese,
descent. Yeah.

(49:29):
What I remember reading about the founders, they Both worked
at like an advertising company together, hated it quit.
And then we're like they used toget lunch when they worked at an
advertising company. Yeah, at this Portuguese spot.
Yeah, but it was poorly run I guess it was going out of
business so they decided to quittheir jobs at the advertising
company and by that restaurant that they used to be at lunch at
and then the expanded and me different locations and call

(49:51):
this thought it would like one that literally one stall and
then they now it just ate a bunch of crazy.
So they did that because like they very big would like Todd.
Just like supporting artists in that way.
So so and that's how I like stones in.
I got to me groans awesome and London like it is, it is it is

(50:11):
amazing. It doesn't look like it was felt
very fast because it was like, Idon't know like Landon it's big,
everything is moving everything is loud and remember we're in
London. You are like wow Camden.
Okay Camden Town. Yeah like but it was it was it
was a really like dope experience.
I got to I guess. Stand.

(50:32):
Like what crime was? Because I just thought it was.
I just thought everything was UKrap but like stones.
He like broke it down? Yeah and and when, when it was
time for him to come to South Africa, like usually when people
go to South Africa, like you go to like the big cities.
So you either choose to go to Cape Town or turbine or joburg.
But I was like, everyone comes and does that like so I wanted

(50:55):
to actually take them back home like to like see where I'm from.
And so I took him back to him byGuinea.
And that was interesting, you know, like to come to turbine
and he got to experience. Funniest part was when cousin
turbine, like we have, like these Mini Bus.
We could call them taxis and they play like, oh, I'm like

(51:15):
really? Yeah.
Like in the taxi. It's like a, it's like a club
of. Yeah, it's like a club and
that's how that's how the Songs and stuff.

(52:01):
So loud culture shock front of, you know, so like so like that
was that was that was good and that's how that came out.
So awesome awesome thing where Ijust hope I can't even like just
do your music out there. Next thing, you know you kicking
it with storms and strong so it is it is but my life has been
like that it's like it's never it's never been like regular

(52:24):
yeah or super plan but like whensomething happens it just
happens and it's like this huge thing and perfect segue.
I was going to ask you what was the first part?
That you put out the major if you like, yo, like, it's
happening here. Oh, haven't I did wasn't.
I think it wasn't, it wasn't, itwasn't.
It wasn't a project. At first, we I did this.

(52:46):
I did this thing where I came upwith, like, like an alias, who
am I, because for myself and I was like, yo, if I make this
type of, if I make a remix of myown song, I know that this like
remix will hit back at home because I had sort of like
studied the sort of like the market.
It's like if you make them a piano remix right now and you

(53:09):
make really good like it's probably gonna hit back at home
at the time. What was big was like Like house
music. So when that happened, and it
was like, 50, most played songs like in the country at the time,
I'm like, oh, but no one, no oneknew.
It was me because I came with, like, I'm gonna double back,
hold it like another name and I said it was remixed by someone
else, but it was me. And so that was like the first

(53:30):
time when I was like, oh man, like something's actually
connect with your was that this is 22news 2017.
Awesome 2017. And then 2018 are dropped.
An album called a vision and that was like I remember because
I was working at a streaming company at that time.

(53:53):
Oh and I remember listening to aprovision and going.
Wow, these records are interesting because at that time
I mean I was familiar with like something so wait.
Oh yeah. Kabsa Just like a lot of the
artists that were making like, what is now?
I'm a piano like yeah, I'm a piano.
Obviously was was that, but people aren't calling it that
necessary. Because so ever, I was so

(54:13):
focused on poem. Yeah, that is like, still the
sort of mid-tempo House are, does that time with sunup
Sundown musician in them so, I know.
Yeah. So so, so when that happened, it
was just like, hmm. Okay, you know, so that was the
moment for me was like oh, something is happening?
Hmm because before that, it has just been like Ben, I've been

(54:35):
doing a lot of like ads, I'd been like touring a lot but it
wasn't. I wasn't really showing myself
as much because I didn't really want to be like in the Forefront
of it. I just wanted to like get the
bag or your favorite record fromthat from that project a vision
onto Space Odyssey. Ok lol song look like that

(54:56):
again. I love that lady again.
And thankfully, something I can pronounce Okay, he gave me
something. I could put it creates the
conversation though. I'm not mad at it.
I'm just by myself because you are also South, okay.

(55:36):
Okay, so, yeah, in fact, horrible, it's so bad news but I
can't, doesn't he doesn't like you would have, did I miss?
It's like, I'm just trying to relate those like, does he do
acting? Because it's so convincing but
it's like. This is why I wanted to relate
to no bars like no. Sorry my bad.
All right, we good. No good for fun.

(56:01):
I do my breathing exercises before.
Yeah. Yeah, I think.
Yeah. I think you have such a
provision drops. Yeah, it blows up everywhere,
it's covered by everyone. The reception is positive.
Yeah, talk to us about how I need girls.
I'm sorry. Fritzi, good question.
Struct Edition. I'm sorry you have a

(56:22):
relationship. We have a relationship.
A track, right? Yeah.
Talk to us about that hii. So that is He he followed me on
my Instagram and I was like, oh snap, you know what I'm saying?
Cause like, you know what it went like someone like you seen

(56:43):
on like TV or whatever follows you like.
What did they see? I hope I hope this was something
good. Like so he followed me and then
we're like talking in like the aims and stuff and then he was
like, yo, he loves music and then so we started like it was
very much like a music conversation and sometimes I'm
so so rare to come by in the music industry because everyone

(57:05):
wants to talk about like what they have or who they with and
stuff. Like he was, he was just talking
about the music. I love this.
I love that. And I'm and obviously I'm a fan.
I'm talking about Dark Souls. I'm talking about all these
other things that he does and that relationship has also been
like an organic one. I couldn't have liked made that

(57:26):
it just like happened, you know?Like he I think some like A guy
called mad like like since it tohim matters, like a good friend
of ours and like I guess he liked what he heard and they
would just started that having that conversation.
Yeah. Your truck's, our friend, he
speaks highly of you a check. A check is cool man.
Like, you know, I like when I like when I meet, like people

(57:49):
that don't, that was just like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?
And whatever he liked brings up an artist, it's like okay he
sees because it's never, oh, this artist is like super, Hot.
Yeah, he jumps on. He sees it like that's many
years early. Yeah.
And then everybody else is and he's just like, okay onto the
thing. Yeah.

(58:10):
That's how Joe. Yes is a side project to know.
He does like a bunch of remixes like as fool's gold his label,
but then there's Duck Sauce which is like a.
It's like a Duo that he puts outstrictly House Records.
Yeah. Like yeah.
Four on the floor, fire shit dancer.
Yeah. Yeah.
I know he's been cool. He's been amazing.
So didn't Mama come out? The Um, I'm a PK my after

(58:33):
Vision. Yes.
Oh, so it's a provision. Then it's an EP called stimulus.
A quality, which I definitely cannot pronounce one more time.
Just email us a correlative scenes.
Spell it stays D. Ste, Ste Ste Mela stimula a

(58:53):
train. Also, that's what a steamer laws
and secondly, it is called secondly failed stimulus that L
say instead of Alito stimulus, technology is so cool.
It has a recognized cousin, okay.
That's what the gold Ira gold. And a stick on this tag team a
lot stimulus they call. It has a second stimulus.

(59:17):
Equality? Yeah, it's I got the dictionary.
I would I got a picture. It's the most complicated thing
I've ever tried to read, but I went to a bookstore and that
shit was this thick. What the book?
The book? Okay, yeah, you're so
ridiculous. Right.
Cool, it's so ridiculous. No, yes, so this thing.

(59:37):
That's right, stimula security. Yes, I drop that and then
dropped Zeno. And that's you know not not
saying not our home is you know is and lots of fun.
Yeah. What is there?
No mean, it's my daughter's namewas and you have a daughter.

(59:57):
Looks he's Family Affair now. Wow, I saw a picture and I
wasn't sure because I feel like you spoke about a nice before I
spoke about a nice before and after Vision.
Yeah, that's sort of a sort of manifested like it.
If I have a daughter and then what Do what you said.

(01:00:19):
Father. Manifested me.
The truth, the eligibility manifested you.
Yeah, and child. Yeah, okay, yeah.
So yeah, that that and then theyknow it's just like short for
Xena whooshing. She's a name.
Ze n, OB Z na, K Ze, n 0k. Uh Ellie there was no way I was

(01:00:42):
going. Oh cool.
Cool say who like who's Lee? Yeah you cool it cool.
Yeah. No no.
You people say you'd probably say it.
How do you say it? Like you got a lot of breath
out? Couplet yeah it was there was no
way. I was getting that without you
we pronounce him. Yeah, I completely missing.

(01:01:02):
Okay and crucially. I know Booth is oh yeah.
That food is that mean? Hey, what does that mean?
He knows what it is. You know, just the name.
Okay. So I've heard it knows what it
means. Please, it means that.
Oh so anyway, seen at the yahshua's.
Looking beautiful. She's a nice.

(01:01:25):
She's nice but that's why. You should not be joining in a
family, man. Literally, you are here talking
with him about the booth. Well, yo, first of all, I'm

(01:01:45):
always gonna be down for the booklet.
Okay, cool. Why is this?
Because wine is a man byn why? As for Superior as success.

(01:02:10):
Superior, asked sets. Yeah, let's let's relax.
Oh no, I can imagine. Like, it's like, I can't believe
was angry for my God. Yes, what y'all?
Let's go back. Let's go.

(01:02:52):
And then into plastic chopped off to that.
Sure inter-galactic. Yeah my project I listen to it
straight through. Fire.
Thank you. It was it was, it was long but
it was fighting. Yeah, and there's no, like
normally when there's one tracks, when it's more than like
14 15 songs. Yeah.
Obviously your great, your braingoes.

(01:03:13):
My brain is like, yeah, like, I'm the same, but I had to, you
know, like it's like it's like, the I had to make an album like
that. Like it's probably going to be
the only probably gonna be like,my longest album, but it's like
the idea of that albums are deadand I was just like, as an
artist, I need to have what you seek.
That's why I'm saying you see Coast it well and I think in

(01:03:34):
this age I think that's a lot ofartists make music for like the
dsps and it's quick, and it's meant to just be like, quickly
die Jack. A lot of, it's like a
compilations. They shouldn't like, boom, it's
out versus telling a story. Yeah, everything is flowing and
and you switch up the tempos. Yeah, enough words like a felt
like, okay, every five tracks isa different EP.
Yeah. And that's what I loved about.

(01:03:56):
Yeah. Thank you, man.
Thank you. Yes.
Why is that? Well the man is talented.
Very much. So it is what it is.
So how is time in America been? Because I obviously you're
checking out different cities and state.
What do you groans been? It's been like, it's been
interesting man has been very like eye-opening.

(01:04:16):
Also, just like learning, I guess the brand of America
versus what America actually is your first time here.
It's my first time actually experiencing it as a
transamerican, got it. No trans New Yorker.
I go into your others. He's like yeah.
So like select going into an actually like seeing like the

(01:04:37):
people and not and not just having like more so like a
curated experience but actually like seeing the place, what it
is. So that's been like, super
interesting. More of what did you would have?
Like not like food either food? I not even.
Sorry, guys. Hey, he said, there's not
enough, there's not enough, I'm sorry.
You like spicy. Your food is that I just like, I

(01:04:57):
just, I just like, Flavor it does.
Have you been okay? Because we're food people?
Yeah, one day we're going to open up restaurants like, you
know, be fire. But instead of Fernando's
Nando's we're going to call it something that's more.
Like hey welcome to Buble. That's why I hate it.

(01:05:33):
That's why and hate it. You're, I told us, I think La
doesn't have an African food to La is so like it's where you go
to me, pretentious people. And it's Jackie.
Fight is gentrified African food.
Oh yeah, food. Okay.
Okay. If you might, I don't know
about. I don't know about people
because I didn't stay that long enough.
But that's what I make of feels like they could feel the makeup
feel like it's great. Danger of my, we gotta take mu Z

(01:05:56):
to. It feels like gentrified food
like the whole thing like like how long your bagel is
dangerous. Because everything is
gluten-free and vegan. It's a everything is but it's
like a kados. You get that unlike Ultra vegan
and then you get like fast food.It's a know like in between,
there's no like, but I think about who's eating both the

(01:06:17):
people that even fast food, don't give a shit about their
health and people that are eating, the healthy stuff are
too pretentious to actually like, but the healthy stuff
doesn't like. It's not like it wasn't fridge.
It's stuck. It wasn't refresh.
There are certain places you go and you get really fresh fit,
okay? Like you go to member, Arms.
I'm not gonna, let me wait, was that?
It's there's a few of them. They're all kind of chain of
like healthy all. It's not fast food but it's

(01:06:39):
healthy. You can like, pick and go.
Yeah, could also sit down and eat there.
Then there's like lemonade, which is like fast food healthy.
Okay. Cleaner food.
There's a, there's a list. I mean, they just might miss a
lot, sometimes they're like, notas flavorful.
My taste, my taste buds just like, how long do you, did you
catch that? No, no.
He it clicked? I think but I'm back on Sunday.

(01:07:12):
Okay. So when you come back we'll take
you out to eat please? Yeah we'll take care of you just
tell us what you like about foodyou like because there's really
good tacos in Chicago, like okaythat was like on the old so you
know where you at Before having it there because I got tacos,

(01:07:35):
the best thing man has ever created, but we're the best
tacos in America in Europe in America are protecting.
Definitely I give at least Street.
Some I'll give you sex from you also Texas.
Yeah packs the best tacos alive and technically there's a good
taco spot in Harlem I'll take you to please stay open to 4:00
a.m. so it's like really okay. Okay tacos got he has to try
chimi not. Yeah there's Max I think like if

(01:07:58):
aliens came. Yeah and like give me one thing.
Else. I'm blowing this place up.
I'm starting with tacos fair enough because it's simple its
quick. You pick what?
You want the protein you can. While I would extra veggies or
not I really think tacos is and then chop.
She's you need to have a job to do before.
Oh yeah. Well your New Year's that it's
basically a chopped hamburger with okay.

(01:08:21):
Best seasoning. So you're going to get the
flavor they looking for and like, lettuce, tomatoes, secret
sauce. And then they put it in a secret
sauce. He has like Thousand Islands.
The wrong but the secret sauce and you're just putting a 0.
Why are you shouting not gettingyou decide to?
He don't want to my hand, the Secret's out on, you know, he
walks for Nando's. So it's an agenda.

(01:08:42):
Yeah, he has the agenda. Most agenda here is not Paris,
I'm sorry, again is not Perry. Perry is the agenda words and
not about it being spicy. How much did Nando's pay you to
say that, right? We are not, we are not
sponsored. This show is not sponsored by
not, you're not paying us Nando's.
This Joy is not sponsored by numbers.
What a shame. All this is going to be.

(01:09:02):
So You're switching with Jay-Z because he's big enough, man
knows, they're going to look outfor you.
Like I said, you have the down. Thats hilarious will get you in
there. We're gonna upload this to
YouTube and there's gonna be a rooster on the corner, you
think? We don't have any.
All the ads are going to say, wow, we were set up.

(01:09:32):
Who are set up at is do MinisterEnda doubt, he's going to be on
there. Again, we set up this is beyond
that school. Yeah, so yeah, Secret Sauce.
So it's a thousand island and building houses Milan and sucked
it. All right attitude?
A little bit of some pepper saltand then they put it in a what
do you guys call him? Like Subs here.
Yeah you guys calling it, something specific in South

(01:09:53):
Africa, like sandwiches every. So in America, any like major
city, go to call them differently.
Sometimes they're wedges, sometimes they're Hoagies.
Yes, Jobs Heroes. Is that like what?
I like a wrong? Yeah.
The LA trobe, like the longer role.
And then obviously, as the roundsmaller one, all Bagel.
If you want in the city, we callthe smaller Circle, one's a

(01:10:14):
roll, okay? But the longer ones, depending
on where you are, it's just, he bore hero and I think he was
from gyro what it called, red efficiency.
Something like Afrikaans. I was like three.

(01:10:37):
All right. I was like, shit, my bad.
But definitely, we got to take you out.
Yeah, depends on Cruising Into because I know a lot of eastern
and southern Africa, and say West Africans.
Eat a lot of protein like, well,you know, a lot of Eastern
Southern Africans. Yeah.
A family, my gonna slip know your cousin's.
I'm married. Enjoy came.
Also, you may have a Kenyan, Auntie?
How many of you marry Uncle battery died?

(01:10:57):
So you've married multiple your polygamous this that we're going
your polygamous? I don't know.
That I'll shout out to bars and they're all happy women around
me, I'm sure they are. Nobody's moving in me.
Hey, shut up. Let me stop.
No, but depend on if you're, if you want we could go for like
Korean barbecue. Absolutely.
Yeah, I had Korean wings, like they had like The Conch on.

(01:11:23):
So fuck up a wing. It wins amazing.
Yes, fire. It will fuck up that way.
Smile, people hate me when I saythis, but I swear by Korean
Fried Chicken. No.
It's Japanese Fried Chicken isn't bad, but Korean fried
chick that all my God right now.Cape Town.
Cape Town has won the best wings.
I guess they doubled. The secret is about New York is
like their neighborhoods. So yeah, K-Town Korean

(01:11:44):
neighborhood. Little Italy.
There's a spot where Senegalese got to be like French Africans.
Are that's where we go get. Uh, secondly, son, have you been
to have you been to little Durban in the city?
No. Is they looked over?
Nope. Doesn't exist.
Of course. You have you been busy today?

(01:12:11):
I've been in and out of been in traffic member coming into this
morning. Because while I was wondering
yesterday in my neighborhood right and demonically got me wow
that was like over I was over booklet.
Well anyway yes More than more than more, than any words, kind
of food you want to try? Yeah, you know, so if there's

(01:12:32):
like Saint Cuisines, you're into, let us know.
We'll make that happen after Sunday being with her.
So I gotta ask the brand of Farsi question.
Yeah, Linda Allah, did I do it right?
Because they all say, yes, I didit.
Laughs. I grew up thinking that was the
greatest song ever. Like, I love Brenda Fossett.
So that song how big is like is Brenna Frosty like growing up

(01:12:53):
like is it? Nothing the whole country knows
our part of the country like howbig is Jennifer as the huge like
cuz she like Nigeria I love love.
Brenda like right now if I see you like she's more than Mary
McKibben super superstar like but like mermaids, like a bit
like before so it's another another Generation by the time

(01:13:14):
Brenda comes through, Mary misery is like a legend that
she's already on that long ago. Really like she's not even a
cardi B, no, no more like more like Lil Kim, cardi.
B. No, no, no gaps.
Yeah, like yeah, okay. Yeah, with errors with there is
definitely that but like, yeah, it was like, Brenda was just

(01:13:36):
like free man, like she's just like, like I was 30.
I know what I love like other West Africans.
Like when I play that song, everyone goes crazy.
Like everybody loves that song. Yeah.
And I'm just like how did this song like travel so?
Well without you know social media now and all these These
things that helped like, shook the version you're talking about
was actually the remix. So the version of the Nigerians,

(01:13:58):
like, the is the tronic agreement on the original
Nigerians. Our parents grew up listening to
the original. Yes, like, oh, cool.
And let the pot, the pot, the song know, I know which is
Armand. And then, the remix came out and
land blew it. I made to the early 2000s and
then we were just like, oh, I weoutside.
Oh yeah. No, no.
So the original was big and I injure to, but the remix we
weren't alive travel. We weren't alive.

(01:14:20):
I was, I was little, I was cleaning the house today.
You are not alive when Brenda fuzzy put out bullying.
No, I'm saying I was cleaning the house.
Original. I have the original first, okay.
You know, how is the Saturday morning and your parents are
playing music? Your parents, they would have
had the oh gee stop. No, they it was legit vinyl and
you have to you know vinyl you got to hear everything that's
not put my muscle. Yeah.

(01:14:41):
You put all the fish when you listen to vinyl they keep
chasing a chicken when you when you listen to vinyl scratch
little. Oh hmm.
Happy to leave me alone. Lee.
Okay. Know what is a loan?

(01:15:01):
What is this alone? Who is doing this show with me?
Okay, things have been. So, it's space.
Space alone. I'm all right, bro.
But yes, I just want to know howbig how big benefit as he was
because I'm still huge trust youthat song traveled through the
continent. Like not a lot of the songs
travel through the content because it's like everyone's

(01:15:22):
listening to their old thing. Like now it's like we have we
could set of genres big in the continent like when I'm a piano,
obviously still is. But then like last year, yeah,
Anna was defensa know, like leaving back back then.
Wasn't it dies, like what was dies?
I like what I'm seeing. I always wonder, but, like, how
they actually moved the music cause, like, it was, it was
parties, right? That would be playing fella and

(01:15:43):
playing all these like, psychedelic, like, 60, like 60s,
pans from, like, Xanax area, andZambia.
And, and it's like, the music used to travel somehow who's
moving it. Why don't knows radio back then.
So a lot of labels back then hadtheir relationships with their
at. You had to listen to the radio
to get the content or TV. So they did like American
Bandstand or whatever it was that was how Africans from what

(01:16:06):
I understand everybody for most part was getting their music and
also the bootleg Bible probably will call in your cassettes to
be CDs or stuff. But then I don't tell you still
gotta pick you. No I mean no no stop it.
The curators at the radio and the TV were the ones that pick
every time. Yeah we just took whatever they
picked and then there were some people that really like music
that we're going to record shopsor whatever.
And then hand-picked, yeah. The people don't go to come to

(01:16:26):
America like, get older, like, latest stuff, taking it back
home. I'm telling you, there's a lot
of times artists who gets burneda lot of huge artist on the
console, we get signed by British or American labels and
then yeah we'll come out and then it would come back to the
continent. Do like radio or TV.
So then the people if they were in the streets and it was hot in
the streets and they already hadit.
But if they didn't, I mean even within Nigeria.
Sorry I didn't I when he got signed to all the American

(01:16:49):
labels as when we were getting the Nigerians were like you know
what the fuck happened to the shit that we were listened to
before he got signed in America,they got it.
Last it was crazy. So he was in all these movies
and stuff for people in a Jak II.
What happened? Yeah and also those probably
like channels like All channels.So obviously you getting like
you're not watching out of here.Yeah until like MTV and BTW all

(01:17:11):
those networks had started and then the medium move from Radio
TV Killed the Radio and the internet killed the TV.
Sadly killed it says not dsps. Dsps are are I mean you have
radio on Spotify Apple music allthat stuff.
YouTube now so I love absolute love that song.
If Brenda fasi came out now if she was like a new oh my God, if

(01:17:32):
that would be, she'll be fired, but we even know bikes Would she
can't be lost in the sauce. You don't think it's Grammy
sound? It is.
But how there's so many people are Grammy sounds.
It's about cutting through the noise.
It's cause she would have to have like the right PR and have
I'm in piano feature, a little shop, Shasha or like Shoma Josie
or like one of these bike artist, the Joseph, and I

(01:17:55):
haven't heard from her. He's okay.
Yes. Working, you have you have, you
have fun some of your projects to?
Yeah. She's like, she's working on a
new album called nice. She's working.
It should be, it should be riding lesson.
Poison, you know, and you take some time to actually use like
create what you want to tell because a lot of times people
just like like Drake what? Oh yes I was gonna oh oh oh oh

(01:18:15):
oh he dropped ain't no. Oh Honestly, never mind.
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.Wow, wow.
Yeah, let's go. Let's go ahead and bring this.

(01:18:36):
I couldn't help it. I've been holding my job for 24
hours. Trahana slate, never mind, you
time the world. I'll give you that.
That was good because I would have if I was that excited about
the junk out of work to do. If you're watching this, it's to
let it go. Let it go, okay?
I will. Top.
Thank me later. So, yes.

(01:18:58):
Have you heard the album has been out for a few hours?
Yeah. And obviously produce coffee
produced. A good amount of the songs.
What do you think of it? And what do you think of coffee
now work? Well, he's worked with drug
before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What do you think and working with Drake, and a bigger, you
know, I'm also think he's right,yes.

(01:19:23):
I think it's dope that like coffee is working at that level,
you know. Like I mean Jake is huge but so
it's coffee. Yeah.
He's I feel like, I don't know. I kind of how I feel about the
right, you can't. Yeah, we'll give you more time
to hear before you put it. Like that, that's how I feel

(01:19:46):
about the got you. I feel like, I feel like that.
What you just said about like time it was like that was the
only Like felt rushed, we felt worse.
Well, I get it because I like wewere saying, Beyonce is coming
soon. So it's either you drop big for
Beyonce or you wait a long time after Beyonce because Beyonce
you know is going to come with arollout.
Probably have visuals for a bunch of songs, you know, and

(01:20:08):
they cater to a similar crowd. Yeah.
So a lot of people are like, it makes sense to relax for either
drop it. Now, let the catcher's wave and
let people pick out songs. They like or wait a little bit
because, you know, people's attention span or not.
Well, I think I think that's true.
And also not true, you know, because like people watch live
podcast in like two hours. You know what I'm saying?

(01:20:30):
It's not. I don't think it's like an
attention span thing. More than it is just like making
fire is in file, is it not, you know, I think, I think like like
that, that whole, that whole like, attention span thing is
probably like, what the industrypushes out, because now you have
to make 15 seconds songs for take talk like, you know what

(01:20:51):
I'm saying? I don't think that like albums
are dead. I don't think songs are dead.
I don't think like that. People's attention span is any
lower. You know, I just, I do think
that maybe people like, move quickly from things, but I don't
think it has anything to do specifically with, like, people
being able to pay attention to something on.
So you don't think that there's a culture change.

(01:21:11):
Basically, you just feel like the industry makes people feel
that way. Yeah.
Because the it if everything is about first-week sales, not
here. You know what I'm saying.
So it's like, I think I don't But I don't know the internals
of it. I don't know like how like these
like cuz that was a surprise album said was, you know, so so
so maybe like for what it's supposed to do like this kind of

(01:21:32):
do that, like, I don't know, butI don't, I don't know if they
were like thinking, you know, you need to drop before or after
Beyonce. Oh no, it's just people have
been saying that and I wonder ifthat's yes I was doing it
because obviously Beyonce drops albums and people enjoy the full
body of work so they are. Yeah you know they are people
listening to albums are people listening Listen to the non

(01:21:53):
singles and enjoying that she's like she's like almost like
conditioned us to that she's an album artist curtain he heard
him saying he pulls out for ya so it's like full bodies of work
and stuff like that and like every Avatar fans are and her
friends are ready to pay attention.
It needs ya ready to drop whatever amount of money
tonight? Was that?
She saying those boxes and nobody knows what she's four or

(01:22:13):
five different kinds of box for your full boxes.
Yes. But she's done that.
She's done it, couldn't like consistently for so long that
like you always trust. We trust them.
Yeah, you know, true sure. That's a fan base.
You don't want to call this thing.
The man that just dropped the song.
We don't trust it as much anymore.
You told me. You told me to not say, okay.
Well, congrats Drake obviously dropping an album is not an easy

(01:22:36):
thing, regardless to get among the songs together and he won
the championship for his basketball thing.
I saw he posted it, so he's having a great week.
Yes. He clearly learned from his, the
mother of his child, how to speak a little French to this in
French on the album, okay. You know, So I'll I know.
But isn't that, isn't that chisel from?
Sorry, I chisel from South Africa?

(01:22:57):
Sorry, that's that speaking French.
Yeah. Oh sorry.
Oh never mind. He didn't like the tank right.
Well, he's Canadian. I'm sorry.
You know, some French you don't learn anything.
It's okay, ET. I'm sure he knows some French.
I listened to give him credit. Yeah, I have to.
So, what? I don't know before I give
feedback on albums, I like to like listen to it in different
settings and yeah, that hit show.
So I'm not in a rush. They care it multiple times.

(01:23:18):
I don't know why I think I know why.
Don't worry, they'll buy, they will be.
Don't worry. So you know it's like you're
looking for an experience from an album.
Yeah. I'm not looking like I'm not
excited about that. Like I would preview from
previous Drake albums like when Drake would drop in on me, like
I really want to hear what you got to say.
And I want whatever it is, you're saying to hit me and you

(01:23:38):
know enjoy but I'm not excited the last album then give me
that. No.
So I feel like I want to hear this and just take it for what
it is. Yeah, I might give it a couple
days because there's too much noise going on about the album
now. So Like people compare people
say this know, so I usually don't listen to happen to like
two three days till it's out andthen just in.
So you got like you can. Yeah.

(01:23:59):
Thank you for where it is because I'm on social media more
than I should be anyway. So I know like opinions are
going to hit me so hard. Yeah.
What I appreciate your views from the 6 but I know that
there's going to be a season going to be a season where you
come back so bad. Like you listen to the album in
full and you know I'm sure there'll be more life.
There you go. Shopping you go, there you go.

(01:24:20):
Talking about more life. All right.
Now is album is coming. Do you know about the more life?
Drake Bradley things? Yeah, no.
Oh my. Geez voice.
I have this whole thing, it's a theory.
Okay, little Theory, right? So like how I met your mother
but not hi. I'm gonna so, you know, I'm

(01:24:42):
gonna move on. It's a theory, right?
So there's a song Georgia has onmore life, I think is one with
coffee as well. What's the name of the song?
What's the name is olds years old?
I don't remember, I'ma get it. I got you because I have a
folder of all the same. You have a full of game theory.
Yes, I didn't realize, you know,this is this is a serious.

(01:25:04):
This is real scripted. Okay, I love telling everybody
that's because I'm crazy, so it's no Sultan Netflix, the
story, right? So, Tyga.
So get it. Together.
The song. Right?
Starts off, beautiful, big, beautiful, green eyes.
So, now we're going to skip to the end.

(01:25:41):
So now Bernie's intro Right.
Okay boom. So burning signs Drake a song

(01:26:02):
Drake doesn't use. Sad song puts Georgia Smith on
song right and fig puts Bernhardand puts burn at the end.
Basically what it what did you do?
Is kid on one day. Never mind.
Wait less weight less than content, one dance.
And are, you know, puts up. I know right there like, and I
get it because I don't think Drake would want to wrap on more
Life. The song that Bernard, right?
Yeah. Similar to The Way Beyond sir

(01:26:23):
was just like here, have your have your song on my album?
But it has been hard. Don't feed it.
It had been hard. I think it's hard to is well,
because Beyonce did not jump on the song with Burner.
He just she just put Dave on thesong.
Yeah. So now Burna gets on a song with
who So I still think I think there's drama in the air, you

(01:26:50):
know? And this is my oh, there's one
more song. The song gum body happens to the
mother, gonna make a man, a bothfamily.
Mine is insanely, good. Yeah, Lauren is insanely good
and then obviously Georgian Drake and no longer because
jaded happens. Oh, No, I was away from my mind.

(01:27:13):
Well Done, Right? So that's why I think there's I
think there's some kind of triangle or drama going on
there, okay? Don't do like a stranger things.
And connect you do spend so muchtime on social media, you see
it, right? But I have something I have
something here. Wait I have something here, we
were driving like I'm going to put the map.
We were driving the next connectdo though is I think the thing

(01:27:34):
with the string when you guys see it, right?
We were drugged him funny. We were driving somewhere in
like long enough where he could really flesh out the This
Theory. Yeah, I've been pushing it for
you half an hour fears, you literally three different
versions, but they all led to the same point and I was like,
and it'll never thought of telling a story and you get more
confused like the more details but nobody tied it together.
Every time you told the story ittied together every time and I

(01:27:56):
was like, no it, I just got upset.
When I see a picture with burnerand Drake, because it makes my
story feel like it's not real, like don't be friends.
I'm pushing the narrative here, don't be friends.
Body of all songs with George and they're both really sexual,
you know, and then George is like being honest.

(01:28:16):
You want me post a breakup, you know how like it's all there.
It's all dead. That's what you call Gus
Huebner. No, all day.
I just like to push the narrative.
Oh my God. But I'm, we'll see, we'll see.
Oh my God Hasty. I've been, I've been wanting
this. I've been wanting this for a
moment. Wow, I'm trying to make it a
thing crazy, but they took a picture together.

(01:28:38):
Post my thing, and it's made me.Me very upset and that I read
that, that didn't deter you fromyour mission.
No, no, I'm okay. I'm a man of God, shut up.
It's a big man. I just thought I'd let that be
known. So we'll move on from that will
move on. I feel better.
Thank you for being thank you. I got it off.
My done. Thank you.
Thank you all. So I'll take my paper back down.

(01:29:00):
I'll take the string, thank you for.
Thank you, for being honest. Last last and led from Toronto
to London to Lagos You know, I bought it all together.
Sorry. Sorry, shut up because, you
know, honestly being long the way the lights are reflected.
Looks like we are on the upside Marshall almost like one.
Yeah, about to say, does I thought you were still pushing

(01:29:21):
the Nando colors? We're not pushing anybody else
not paying us very much. So very much.
Y'all, not even get the run a strap back.
Didn't get the free trip to something about to do.
Yo, hashtag Nando's Mahalo Nando's wahala, I don't know.
Okay, I just know why not Noah Hollis also and very, very
packaging mahalo. A sauce would be nuts for a lot

(01:29:42):
of reasons, so I'd he's gonna doit without this wahala means
trouble or problem it since likeslang for well, it's the word
comes from Arabic o koala and then because of the influence
of, you know, Arabic and Islam in Nigeria, it entered, its
slang culture. So what how it means problem
trouble. So our shop sleeping, no wahala,

(01:30:02):
you know, it's a very peaceful family friendly show, you know
we you know, night vigils prayer, we talk about mental
health, we're pro, women are prone Yosh, you know, it's a
very You know, inclusive environment.
So we want to smoke with Nando's.
Oh wow. But we also want wahala sauce.
That's like so hashtag will house all next time.

(01:30:23):
Just send us, the will get the email.
Yeah. And you girls talking to a
Nando's rep right now. So yeah, you like one?
That's the bag I got you. Yeah, thank you.
And then there he's in the meantime.
This is the verb. When you come through I've been

(01:30:47):
told he's the one that told themto water down the source for so
that people Force themselves to come to us a like he had a big
plan, that's why, that's why thecovid-19 is jumped.
Okay, makes sense. Wow, no.
No, it makes you know I want to look at the candle.
I get it. Nothing.
No, not that at all. I understand now and we'll move.
I get it. It traveled.

(01:31:08):
All right, cool. After Intergalactic, right?
Well, what what, what is, what are some projects that you're
like, working on or looking forward to putting out, like,
maybe the client, you don't likethe climate is Messer, the best
to put it out now. But like ideas, you've always
wanted to put out into black tick but into black but it comes

(01:31:33):
from Intergalactic like that's what like this.
It was a it was a play on that would I think?
I want to like put out like an EP and then I want to probably
do another album but like I'm starting to get more into like
visual stuff also like you know I got I was watching a few years

(01:31:57):
ago watch like the season 1 of like loved it and robots and all
Netflix. Yeah and I was like imagine if
like these are like African stories.
Oh, you're just like like because we have so many like,
folklore tales and stuff like that.
So like, I think like can show for, like, the next 10 years I'm
like I'm up, you work as much asI'm doing my music thing, I'm
trying to work on doing like stuff like that.

(01:32:18):
We should talk more about that offline, which is, which is just
like, like, I don't know. Like like when I went for
instance, I can tell. When I listen to like stories
about King. Shaka for instance, it's like
what, if, what if that was seen as like, can't either, like,
this caliper, whatever, you knowwhat I'm saying, I don't like
studios are like trying to tap into some of that stuff now.

(01:32:38):
But the problem is like, Who is in those rooms was?
Yeah, yeah. Is it someone that is actually
Zulu or Tulsa or yeah, Mighty that like, read it in a book and
it's trying to appropriate whatever?
Yeah, that's my biggest thing with like, at people telling our
story because then you can tell ya.
Cuz I cuz I think like I think like, especially like what like

(01:32:59):
TV there's this like Obsession would like, people of color that
it's always like in the future. So it's like, afrofuturism.
You know what I'm saying? It's never like what we have.
So many stories from the past that never like, got in the
times actually, like shine. So it's like I'm more.
I'm more interested in those stories.
Same and pretty common with colonialism.

(01:33:20):
Yeah. Wild fun.
Crazy shit. Yeah.
The history was pretty much a race for a lot of us.
Yeah. What we are called, a lot of
times what we're calling out forfuturism, some of this shit is
actually, like, like it didn't happen.
Applause, you know, our memoriesare ingrained in our DNA, our
ancestral memories. And so we're projecting it as
futurism, but it's really. Yeah.
And it's like, I'm somewhere. Yeah, I told us.

(01:33:40):
It's yeah, it's real cheesy but when I watched what took about
like the whole like Zhu, Zhu mu T take like that's that's that's
that's not crazy science don't like it's like it's like I'm at
a physics. It's the same thing for y'all is
like to do for us. It's it's There is a ancestral
knowledge, right? That has never been.

(01:34:02):
Well has been demonized because of the Chris Colonial and
Colonial replacement of our ancestral spiritualism.
So I don't think that these things are necessarily bad.
There's good and bad in everything.
Yeah, but I think the hot everything is heightened around
the bad stuff if so then it's like, don't don't even talk

(01:34:22):
about. Don't learn about it.
Nothing. You're not Muncie.
Means what does it mean though? What me?
His medicine. Oh wow.
That's like like it's like so there's all of that like digging
that, I don't know. I just find it like super
interesting, I grew up in a house like that where my mom was
a sarcoma. So some traditional healer it's
like I grew up in a house like that.

(01:34:43):
That's amazing. It's not demonized.
No, yes. Things like like I, I honor my
ancestors and stuff like, I'm trying to connect to that shit.
Yeah. So it's it's it's more so like
It's The Reawakening of those parts and and I think like
visuals would take it because I'm trying to do that with music
would like songs like Darko and them Samoa know, these songs.

(01:35:05):
But like, I also think like us avisual component that I need to
bring on as I go further into mycareer, I love that we never
talk to anyone outside of like, I don't think you ever talk to
anyone. Other West African about about
that stuff, because even like, in Yoruba culture, we call what
you call muthu called Lugo. And literally just means
medicine. Yeah, problem is when people
hear that word, they say, just like multi like, oh shit.

(01:35:26):
We'll go inside and then we tight with the stems can be
like, oh, they touch immunity, which means like take this moves
in and could be like for your flu.
Yes, I got a prescription medicine.
Show logo. And did you take your meds?
Yeah. So people know that it means
medicine problem is there's a stigma around that word because
a lot of focus is put on the bad.

(01:35:47):
Yeah. You know bad elements of that
word. It's so fast.
It's what's the, what's the? What's the equivalent shaqiri?
What's the word? I feel like it's a medicine.
Um I might it's like it's like all going as well.
So I'm trying to remember the exact pronunciation was that
once in a while but it's relative to all goes like the
base of ogham. Yeah so the weight Zulan also

(01:36:08):
related is the way his language in our languages.
Oh yeah. Like I'm like they stem from
this from the same salute. Yeah, we like my grade Aid, I
guess this is something. We went out a lot, a little more
salt, and then we're in a different place.
Obviously affects the language. Yeah, and then we were next to
the benigne kingdom. Okay we're doing.
We were trading with the Portuguese way before the Birds

(01:36:31):
game. Yeah, like a language is older
Yoruba. Yeah.
And hot Portuguese and part English.
Okay, so okay well we left way before like you're buzzed like
when insert a big cities and yeah became like a major tribes
or like. All right, you're about where my
language is closer to old girl. So because we have Less, you

(01:36:56):
know, less tribes that like wentthrough.
Yeah, our outside. That's crazy because I kill even
even in even in causal, not thatlike the more North you go, the
like strong of the Zulu, Gates. And like the most part you go,
like, we like it starts getting a bit loose because that's my
interesting. Damn.

(01:37:17):
I love this. This cultural Commerce a like
it's all day as. Yeah, it's all.
It's all hidden in the language.Yeah.
It's hidden language and you just gotta talk to though.
Geez. Yeah.
Well what does that mean? It's not written down so and I
like that. It's not.
It's like good and bad. That's not written down because
the stock like whenever Africanstell a story like it's not just
verbal right like? Yeah, it's body language.

(01:37:39):
There's like the there's not even the issue that you're
saying now. Yeah, you write it.
It's not going to hit the same. Yeah, it is.
There's an impact with the word,you feel.
It's, you know, like a lot of like indigenous, like people
like that. It's like, maybe they just
didn't want to ride it. So that would like people came
through. They wouldn't know what they say
about, you know. Like there's a big like, I

(01:38:00):
think, like literature like who cares about the oral part of it.
Because it's always like, brokenly broken telephone.
But if you have like like a CEO or an elder in that Village,
that isn't there to just keep the stories intact, like that's
not broken. Telephone because that's a
person that has to go through somany layers of Education to get
these stories for exactly like what they mean and stuff but

(01:38:24):
like or like literature is always seen as I not as good as
a book know when books liar books, life I think or history
at one point in our history or history was like it was the most
trusted from history. We had.
Yeah, good. But they're also back then,
there wasn't as many distractions didn't have the
internet and of course, we're nocell phones, no TV.
So you had to you, the attentionspan, I'm sure everybody's

(01:38:46):
attention. Just as we are way stronger.
Yeah you had your brain had to make space for ever to go to
school for that for years. Like get through that like sort
of which is why all our parents were way smarter than us.
Way smarter than that like you Ibut school also tells you to
learn a certain way. Yeah it's programming.
Yeah you learn learn this between this time and that time
you learned this, you learn to pass the test you know not

(01:39:08):
necessarily to like gather everything because sometimes you
read when you re done screw you like out, this is definitely
going to be an exception. I just gotta remember this on.
Gotta remember, For this. And that, you know, the end
result, maybe not exactly the Journey of the host.
That's really all school is school, is just a memory test.
Yeah, because nobody is necessary.
You're using your smartness is really just how strong is your
memory. It's yeah.

(01:39:29):
It's your meeting and the Brain can only most people's brains
can only take so much information unless you're like a
savant and you have like an incredible memory.
That's really all it is. So people that are deemed not as
smart are probably just distracted.
Like, they don't have the attention span to focus.
And yet retain the information that you find that this Might as
as how, you know, but in other things.
Yeah, because they actually careabout those other things, right?

(01:39:51):
But I mean, the same thing. If you went back, I mean, there
were people that were not alwaysmeant to be like Craftsman or
like, yeah, medicine people, or like Scholars, whatever, but
they were great fisherman. Yeah.
And that's what you did. Yeah, dude, that was your trait.
They were great drummers. That's what they did.
You know, it's just fascinating stuff.
We lost a lot of that stuff to history and people are people

(01:40:12):
have lost their way but hopefully we can get back to a
place. Race, you know.
Noah holla. Holla to know what I like
everybody. We will sorry.
We know we're not start against that.
I get, we will know. I do this.
We will use piece to diffuse thewahala shutouts.

(01:40:35):
They will not your best work butbetter than whatever you said,
because we're proud of you. Thank you.
Yeah. English is a wow.
No, like I'm saying that for me like us for us.
Yes, we did. First of all, your transamerican
you're supposed to have great English.
No, it's try that. I just I just became that.
Now, when you ask me the question, and it's like, not
even American. He hasn't he's having like he's

(01:40:56):
having an identity Crisis, crisis Crisis crisis.
Wow guys this my surprises identity like the same more
alphabets. Wow.
I just said Isis. Wow.
Okay, wow. So we're going to wrap up.
What's up? What's next for Mu Z?
Yes, going back home. Being my daughter.

(01:41:17):
Oh, nice. Say the whole thing, you know,
Zeno, is it Zeno not is more than 0, that's Zen.
No. Click know, who?
That was kind of? No, no clay.
And I know hopefully, Oh, my Jesus eyes.
Very excited. How long are you in America?

(01:41:38):
And in its entirety, is it American and back home or in
Canada next week and then I comeback, North Carolina, and then I
go home. Okay, North Carolina.
Wait, we're in Canada, are you? Doing Montreal and Toronto.
Hello Montreal. You're going to have fun but
you're probably you might run into that spice issue again but
Toronto you I mean there's some spots.

(01:42:00):
Okay. I'll do some spot.
I need help. I need to know.
Trust me. It's a lot of the Toronto has a
lot of good-looking people to send a few messages to some
booklets, you know? Oh, I wish no.
I'm just, I'm a past them. Not, he who just, he's of, no,
no, I'm a past them. Their recommendations, tell food
food on my trying to ruin. Happy homes.
Are you? I don't have the power to do
that. I don't have the mood to to do

(01:42:21):
that. He's a good man.
He's a good man. I don't have the we're good.
Yes we support we support, thankyou on family.
We want you to have a good family, a happy family.
When you get back to Sao course,I need anybody quo and podcast
minute, five. What he said, would you say stay

(01:42:43):
in? You guys edit it.
If we didn't edit this podcast, but this is not going to be
smooth conversation. I was going to say, somebody's
going to sound crazy, but we would definitely preserve the
importance. The important things I was, you
know, I was gonna say, I was never mind.
Okay, yeah. So we end, I'll show you feeling

(01:43:04):
with a song that you'd like to put the audit the audience on.
So it could be anything yours. Somebody else's something you
listening to all this? It's fine.
You. Of course it's yours.
Danger cargo, because that's thesong.
Yeah, so we'll start, we start with the Dane Chicago, so we'll
yeah, yeah, this is the day in Chicago, by mu Z.

(01:44:48):
Eating dish, that was a day in, in Chicago by movie.
We're gonna edit that part in looking at you, like, you're
crazy, not saying you're not. But wow, I love that.
We're here. So, I'm gonna spell it out since
I can't pronounce my favorite. Yeah, it was he song.

(01:45:09):
So, when you get on YouTube or your favorite streaming
platform, you type MC A&E. He's going to shrug and
pronounce it in 32. 1989, featuring featuring some
something, so it'll learning is there's no click.
That's, that's another click. Hey just did now.
Hey, that's I'm not I'm not partof that.

(01:45:33):
Click is different from this. Click the different way.
They're not easy. You're not in the same clip.
One more time, there's three primary clicks.
Okay, it's which is a see where the cue is this.
He No, that's all my clicks are terrible, right?
So yeah. How do you check out that song?

(01:45:56):
So here is Ronnie. Oh, you know, you know if we did
it though. You did it did?
Yeah. Oh, you did it though.
That's yo, this is so frustrating.
Like, I think I was wrong. Do you ever remember Spanish
class? Please don't get it wrong.
All the way that both of, you got my shades.

(01:46:16):
I'm jealous. I'm just here.

(01:47:34):
I'm sorry. I'm Zim Zim cuz I can't I feel
like it's not harm them. I feel like an Invader just
wanna say, okay, I did WOW. L faces him.
Did you cartoons? Mmm.
Yes, or no. Did you ever see an Invader Zim?
No. Oh, I was the reference.

(01:47:57):
That's why I said I'm used to becalled Rhodesia.
Yes. Yes, I know and then basically,
it was a bunch of colonizers. And then when the colonizers
were basically kicked out of South Africa and They changed

(01:48:20):
the name to Zimbabwe, right? What happened to the colonizers
that were In Rhodesia, did they move to South Africa and just
like, whatever. I don't, I don't know.
I don't know. Like, I know, I know that like
some were like some of the people are brought back into,
like, be part of the parliament.They're like, wow, to sort of
not make it like a super, like harsh thing.

(01:48:41):
But probably other's moves, likeneighboring countries or
America. I don't think.
I don't think I do. That is like Africa's like to
beautiful fees actually go. He called America and mean I'm
wrong. No.
But I've called America. No, but I'm saying that, like, I
don't think, I don't think that people leave as much as they
say, they leave. He said, America the Beautiful
xij the Situation's. The yeah.

(01:49:02):
And they'll be wearing like, oh yeah, I know, he buzzing, but
maybe the in the next country orUK, hey, I need to know, they
think that back. It's still owned the land.
It's like, it's very complex. Yeah, anyways, sounds mice or
piece of piece. We love everybody know my song

(01:49:23):
this week. It is hot as hard because I've
to that, I like, so I'm going tosay both of them and then
whatever one you stand, back girls names that you love.
That's crazy. How do we keep going to?
Yeah. Oh now you're gonna well I mean
I guess it's because keeps goingback there and then he blames
you for going. It's what do they call that term
gaslighting? Oh wow.

(01:49:44):
Wow I see because we are talkingabout load shedding and Epi the
gas line. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
Sorry my slay me for trying to connect that.
And he's doing this small, all podcast, but go ahead because
I'm all about Good Vibes, only. Hey, but I also like to make
Mama's dance. Hey.

(01:50:07):
So, I have to make sure that I'maware of the best of boats.
Either one of those songs is, what is my choice this week?
Mama dance or what would wives you baldy will give you both
tanks tanks a Bosch. All right here, the songs.

(01:52:47):
Did you like the song and those are the songs.
Those are those Long's? Your turn II went?
Oh I loved. Oh, you did.
Sorry. I was distracted by the dancing
of the mama mamas. Okay.
Yeah. That EP was fire.
I'm sorry, but the mama EP was lit.
I was, I was vibing. Thank you.
I bought two. I mean all his projects are

(01:53:08):
fire, but I'm EP mama. If you guys went crazy.
Thank you, man, when crazy just like an epileptic.
You said it, right? That's thank you.
Thank you. Okay, we're proud of you.
Proud of you boozy. Where can I find you?
I know all your fans in the universe.
That love the mousse. Instagram.

(01:53:28):
It's MV Z IR. You
I said, yes because you know that people like Z as I.
Yeah, the British, he's very American but things like

(01:53:51):
Varsity. The first time I heard that I
was like Varsity. Like what?
Because we have varsity in high school here, like all was a
secondary school. You guys, I don't know what do
we just call it high school. Okay.
See, that's because I just always liked those moments
because we say Primary School, Secondary School?

(01:54:11):
Yeah. It was also called, there's some
schools are still collect, secondary schools.
Okay, got it. So I since he doesn't know his
i.d. his iegs MV is that I thankyou.
Yes. I'm here for you doesn't because
here on Twitter? Yeah, same name was.
It was M&M you said IOU. Why did you so?
I was I couldn't get like an Instagram.

(01:54:32):
I couldn't get to you. Someone had already taken that.
So I, let's report a page right now.
That's yo, will. Yeah, I don't say that.
Well, let's talk what? Nah.
Hey, What know why not is he throwing up high?
He's charged with leading the Trinity.
Oh yeah, hey I'm gonna need to chant allah-allah I can't do

(01:55:00):
that, bro. We got we got.
I'm sorry, we don't talk, we don't you gotta be funny like oh
yeah. Like you don't be funny at all.
I know people are little Tick Tock.
They've never been funny. One time it's nice and even
post. Now it's tough for me.
Let's will for will talk offlineabout getting it your socials.
Matching. Yeah well good you know yes
we're friends and you know it's all of you family now once you

(01:55:22):
want you on the show buddy family got something you're
gonna have to kill a goat, we have some your shoes shoes.
Yes you want the name or not youhave a lifetime of him.
Social media handle. Oh snap small sacrifice.
Okay let small sacrifice has to happen at the exactly 4:15

(01:55:44):
literally p.m. If you cut the go to jail, it's
too late. I'm sorry.
Now we just have extra meat in the freezer for the multi to
hit. It has to happen at 4:15 on
April 15th. Oh wow.
That's next day and then becauseRyan Joe, we got time.
Okay, go to Russia. Anyway Mosey.
Thank you so much for being here.

(01:56:05):
Anything else you want to say? You gotta figure out.
We're going to title the the episode.
Each Mosey does moti. What do you know?
Down there. We'll look at him like Jay Haas
when I can do that. The different click something,
something, I'd be clicks, you got to make a nobody, what are.

(01:56:30):
But, how will we spell? The it'll just be X.
Like, it'll just be x marks the spot.
Let me stop. Let me stop.
Thank you all for joining us. This is great.
And we love your music. Absolutely everybody follow him.
He's dope. He is hilarious.

(01:56:50):
Thank obviously, you can tell goto all his tour stops, support
the music. By his you have merch, I'm
getting lunch made Merchants coming by his merge and vinyls.
Do some vinyls for your son has made as well.
All that stuff in finals when you do all the things for talent
support, black electronic music support fire.
African music mooji. Thank you for joining us.

(01:57:12):
We will see you next time. Be prepared.
Appreciate you, my brother. Thank you.
God, have mercy operas it.

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