Pac-12 Apostles - The End Is Near

George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden address the rumors and reality of the giant shake-up in the Pac-12 and discuss how things will ultimately fall out as the fate of the entire conference seems to hang in the balance

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the Truth lives here Packed twelve Apostles.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the
Pack twelve Apostles. We are back for the final season
of the Pack twelve Apostles. Me and Ralph aren't going
anywhere just to Pack twelve Apostles, So we got to
figure out a whole rebrand, a whole rename, because yeah,

(00:37):
things are going left. Right now, things are going left
and Ralph, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Man, Hey, it's good to be back. I feel to
go with the Apostles theme. This feels like Day two.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
What do you what do you mean? Day two?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
They've done gambled for Jesus's clothes. They rolled the stone
in front. We're sitting around wondering what we did with
the last three years of our life. Because this is
year four of the Apostles podcast. Man, this definitely feels like, Hey,
if somebody doesn't come back from the dead tomorrow, we

(01:15):
might have to go back to.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Uh, don't do that fishing you are you are still
peddling hope if you don't stop it if you don't stop.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
So do people hope for miracles?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes they do.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
You're supposed to like believe on miracles, right, well, I.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Don't know hopeful miracles, believe on miracles. Listen, this thing
is toast, bro, This thing is toast. Now, if we
go back a little over a year ago when USC
and U C l A decided that they were going
to take their little happy sales to the big ten,
what did I say back then about the about the
chances of survival of the PAC twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
You said it was the beginning of the end. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, it was the beginning of the end because there
were a significant number of obstacles in the way. Number
one was TV deal, Like that was number one. But
the problem with the TV deal is there were no windows.
Like that was the problem. That was the inherent problem

(02:21):
from the beginning was the lack of TV windows. And
people were like, oh, they'll get a deal with this.
I mean, it was the CW, it was Ion, it
was you know, Apple TV, it was here, it was there.
But the reality was is that the PAC twelve was
suffering from an availability problem. And then as soon as

(02:43):
the Big twelve, like there was still a glimmer of hope.
But when the Big twelve signed its deal first, it
was a death sence. It was a death sence. Where
else was the Pac twelve left to go? Because yes,
you could have gone to ESPN and taken the late window,
but you still got what six games a day, you know,

(03:07):
and in the preseason more than that. So the idea
that everything was going to be okay, it was never
gonna be okay. And I see a lot of blame
going around to George Kliakoff, But if you remember, what's
the first thing he tried to do when he first
came into conference.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Ralph teach people how to say his last name.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well that and then expansion. He tried to expand. And
why did he get stopped with expansion? Who stopped him?

Speaker 3 (03:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Usc usc was the team that was blocking expansion, didn't.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
And didn't they step in and express their discomfort with
the addition of Texas and Oklahoma back in the day.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, but that ended up being more about the Texas
getting the Longhorn Network from the Big twelve, Like the
okay to do that?

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Can we pre can we just stop for one second,
because it's been a minute since we recorded. Can we
talk about the man responsible for not only putting the
breaks on George kleafkov expansion talk, but also getting USC
up out of the pac twelve? Can we talk about

(04:28):
Mike Bone a little bit?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Okay, okay, cool, Yeah, let's okay, let's let's let's go
to Boner. Let's go to Boner for a minute.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
What do you think he's doing right now.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Counting his money? I mean, he feels vindicated, he feels
like he feels like he did a great job. He
got USC out of the Stone Ages, brought him back,
got Lincoln Riley there. I mean, USC people feel generally
good about him, aside from the fact that that he

(05:02):
got ousted because he because he because he was a
creeper at Cincinnati, and he was a creeper at USC.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah. Yeah. Also, I mean, uh, doesn't doesn't seem to
be the biggest fan of black people. No, based on
some of the stuff that came out about him at Cincinnati,
which got buried and allowed him to ultimately get this
job at USC. It's fascinating to me that this entire

(05:34):
thing was set in motion by an ad that came
over from Boston College who for all intents and purposes
has done a good job at U c l A.
And this is gonna benefit U c l A in
the long run financially. I think Colorado has a chance
to have just as much success in the Big twelve
as UCLA does in a Big ten. You know, I

(05:57):
don't I don't see this as being a good move
for for the overall athletic success of UCLA to be
out there in November trying to stop Wisconsin from running
the ball. Good luck, guys, But you know, you got
a guy that comes over from Boston College, and then
you got a guy that comes over from Cincinnati who
never should have gotten the job in the first place,

(06:18):
which was the admission of USC when they fired their
athletic director. Yes, he should not have ever been at USC.
Yet he helps set these dominoes in motion that keep
the Pac twelve from expanding and that they get USC
to ultimately leave. Now, this is taking responsibility away from

(06:39):
Larry Scott, obviously, who bears the brunt of oh responsibility here.
I just I just want to touch on the.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Facts Larry Scott and the presidents and the presidents who
enabled him gave him a second, then a third contract
and you're just sitting here like, come on, come on, bro,
come on. I mean, the writing was obvious on the wall,
and now you're in a situation to where And I

(07:08):
know that a lot of people who listen to this
podcast that they literally love the PAC twelve like we do,
and to see it like I did all my morning
last year. I did all my morning last year. So
I'm not even sad right now. This is just everybody
trying to find what is their best landing spot right

(07:33):
now because the PAC twelve, if you look at their
press releases for the last year, they've all basically read
the same way that we're not deterred from by the
recent events. We are going to continue to do the

(07:53):
right thing and just and just and just worry about
our academic and athletic health of our student athletes and
all of that.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
All these statements are weird because literally the word we
has changed, meaning we means twenty five percent less than
it used to meet. Yeah, right, like that, the people
issuing the statements keeps changing, which is in direct conflict
with the statements that they're issuing.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
And I know you said you did all your morning
last year, but let's not act like we didn't have
a couple of phone calls this week wondering how the
hell we ever ended up in this position like it it.
Maybe it's more disbelief than morning, but I when you
and I repeatedly said, whether it was at the end
of the year, on this show or in conversations with
each other, that Colorado's gone, Yeah, that the first shoot

(08:50):
to drop is going to be Colorado because and how
this started was they hired Dione Sanders, and I explicitly
asked you, is this the silver bullet in the TV
negotiation deal that's going to put the PAC twelve over
the top, That whoever signs the next TV deal with
the PAC twelve is going to get three or four

(09:11):
years of near exclusive rights to broadcast a team coach
by Dion Sanders, like literally guaranteed engagement. And you shut
me down so hard, You're like, no way, it's over,
it's done. It doesn't matter, None of this matters, Dion,
doesn't matter. Like it's it's over. And you told me
all that, and I still kind of felt some hope,

(09:34):
but we knew that it was Colorado that was going.
There's been rumors and rumors and rumors and rumors that
it was going to be Arizona. You still have Jason
Sheer over at twenty four to seven pounding the desk
for Arizona to leave and for you know, his crusade
on this to be vindigate, vindicated. You know, you still
have Dennis Dodd dropping bombs on behalf of the Big Twelve,

(09:56):
on the PAC twelve every single day. And I know
that some people had some hope that Pack twelve would
survived because the Big Twelve survived losing Texas and Oklahoma.
You know, but we knew this was coming. And even
though we knew this was coming, when the announcement came
for Colorado, I had about twenty four bad hours. I
was pretty unhappy, like genuinely unhappy. I'm not like this
isn't like we joke around on the show or whatever.

(10:16):
I was pissed because we have a podcast called PAC
twelve Apostles, and it's not because we saw a window
where we could do something that nobody else was. Plenty
of people are out here talking about the PAC twelve
like it's because we love it. It's because we love it,
and now it's gonna and now the reality set in
that it's gonna go away. I spent twenty four hours

(10:37):
kind of like sad and pissed, and I because I
also can't see a way through. And then I keep
getting the fires of my my grievance is stoked by
these dumb statements, these very dumb statements that the PAC
twelve keeps dropping. And the most annoying thing for me
is that George Kleiafkov came in. He was very engaging

(11:01):
for the first year, right, and we like him. We
broke we broke the news of his hire, right like
we we liked the guy. We were giving him a chance.
We were not just giving him a chance, We're giving
him the benefit of the doubt. We wanted good things.
And then USC and UCLA announced that they're leaving, and
George Kliafkov goes into a cave. George Klafkoff has tweeted

(11:24):
once in the last year, that's one less than Ray
Anderson chased off.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's not good, that's no once.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
He just the adversity came and he just went into
his shell. He went into his shell. It all became
like legal statements, votes of confidence. Uh, we're all in
this together. Nothing came from George Kliafkoff himself. He has
not been an outward, front facing leader whatever. He's been

(11:53):
behind closed doors to convince these schools to keep coming,
coming out and lying, which is what Colorado was doing
for the last year. There were just lying.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, right, everybody, Yeah, we're all committed. I'm not worried
about anybody leaving. Yes, you should have been. Everybody else
knew it. And that's the issue that I've had, is
that is that trying to act like everything is fine
when everybody knows everything is not fine. That's one of
the worst things that you can do, is just sit

(12:22):
up there and lie to people, and people are like, yo,
I know the difference. So we are sitting here on Monday,
what's this the thirtieth, thirty thirty first, Yeah, and Arizona
is supposed to announce its leaving within twenty four forty
eight hours somewhere around there, right, But also, did you

(12:45):
see what was announced today by John Canzino.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
No, But I do know that for the most part,
Kenzano and Wilner have for the last year been saying
that this is this, this TV deal is gonna happen.
It's just a matter of time. And I we had,
we've had. Wilner has been our most frequent guest. You know,
I'm not gonna speak the Canzano. I don't know him,
you know him, you know, I've had limited interactions with him,

(13:15):
and they went as about as well as the PAC
twelve TV negotiations. But I will say that like that
that I want them to be right, very badly, and
I do believe that they're well sourced, and I do
believe that they set out to be extremely professional. They're
getting accused.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
By the carrying water for the PAC twelve because the
sources that they have, and Wilner has talked about this,
he said it is that he was trying to be unbiased.
That he was using media, former media executives, plus PAC

(13:52):
twelve presidents and the Commissioner's office. So you're gonna get
messaging that is in line on some level with those things. Well,
John Canzano tweeted today and put out the news that
Commissioner George Khliakoff guess what, Ralph, that he is finally

(14:13):
going to present his TV rights deal to the league
members within the next forty eight hours.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
That the speculation, the speculation tomorrow. Huh, the speculation is
that there's only one move and that he's just going
to present them with the one move, which is like
at the end of the day, twenty mili annually full
streaming on Apple or something like that.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah do you think, Kase, why do you think he's
finally No, man, this is a this was a Oh
my god, Arizona's probably leaving too. We have to get
something on the table to try to stop it, Like
like we have to present something to today, Apple or
the ESPN or whoever else present it to. We have

(15:09):
to get it out today otherwise it's over. Bro.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I'll tell you what it sounds like. It sounds like, hey,
we need to go to counseling to save the marriage.
And the guy's like, no, hey, we need to go
to counseling to save the marriage. No, oh, what are
these divorce papers? Okay, I'll go to counseling. No, and papers.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Already came and yeah, and and the U hauls at
the house. Yeah right, And he's like, hey, yo, hey, yo,
what do you think about that counseling thing? Like what
the U hauls here? Buddy? So Hall is here with
my new boyfriend, uh to to to help me move.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
My theory on why there hasn't been But I think
that there have been offers. I do believe that to
be true. My theory on why they haven't been presented
to the PAC twelve President's CEO board ads all that
is because that's the exact moment that you know that

(16:15):
you would be financially benefited to leave, once you get
it in writing, like, once you have the actual offer
in front of you, is when you know for sure
that what's waiting for you outside the PAC twelve is
better for you financially.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
So you think that that that this was a slow roll,
that this was an attempt to like keep everybody just
by holding on, holding on, And if we can wait
long enough in the day, then we can get everybody
to stay on.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, And and I think that it comes from what
was that what was that scissor tweet the other day?
Do you know what I'm talking about? The one that
went viral? I'm gonna find.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I'm serious. I listened to Sissy when I'm with you,
don't you snooze and missed the moment even Yeah see,
I listened to Sis, but I don't follow Sizzy.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
If that makes all right, Well, you're about to really
listen to Sissa, because this is uh, this is the
Scissor tweet from July twenty seventh. Today, my therapist said,
hope is the root of my suffering, and it rocked
my shit like that. That's the way that I've been
looking at this is somehow George Khliavkov fell into that

(17:36):
weird Larry Scott lie that anything could happen tomorrow. You
don't know what exists in tomorrow. That's tomorrow. When tomorrow comes,
we're gonna find out. And the thing about tomorrow is
it's always tomorrow, right. So the the I think George
Kliafkov was in a situation where he was like, if

(17:56):
I present them with the with the offers that I'm
getting now, they're gonna know we don't have shit. They're
gonna know. But if I don't, then then we'll keep
letting hope be the root of their suffering. But it
will keep them around, uh for long enough. And then
finally Colorado got sick of it. And a couple of

(18:17):
things here about Colorado. One, they're a big twelve school.
The pac twelve as a whole has benefited from their
overall athletic incompetence, and I am grateful for all the
dubs the ASU got just because Colorado decided to run
away from the Big twelve. I'm grateful for it. You

(18:37):
came in here, you played Kansas, you were the doormat. Uh.
You never really got better in the way that Oregon
State did. And you're you have an opportunity to do
it right now. And it's you know, and it's gonna
go happen in a conference with it that is more
regionally appropriate, where you have more history, where they're gonna

(18:58):
appreciate you more. I do not fault Colorado for leaving
the same exact time. I have some feelings and emotions
and that in this moment I would like to express
whether they are, whether they're true or not. Whatever. Dion,
you're running from the grind again, brother again? What else

(19:20):
enjoy rolling into Lawrence, Kansas? Uh, when they're two and
nine and you're three and eight. That's gonna make for
some riveting television, guys. It's gonna be awesome. What else,
Ralphie is the only good thing about you? What else?

(19:44):
Boulder is gonna be the nicest city that you ever
are in. Every other city is gonna be worse. All
of your road trips are gonna suck. I want you
to think about us every single time you're hanging out
in Stillwater, you bastards. That's it.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, I wish you did you sound you sound angry?
See I have no ill will towards Colorado at all.
Like that's I would have done this too. They're getting
thirty one point seven ner point whatever from the Big twelve.
You weren't gonna get you weren't.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
There are getting ten million a win per season.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
And and people are sitting here acting like, oh, well,
they're they're only gonna get you know, they're they're gonna
get about the same. No, they're not. The PAC twelve
has nothing right now, Like do you here? Here's the
part that people are not understanding. The PAC twelve now
has nine teams.

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Speaker 2 (20:58):
There are now nine foot ball teams that need an
extra game for twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Brutal it's a win or two brutal when it's nine.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yes, there are nine teams that need a game for
twenty twenty four, and.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
How many Big twelve teams do you think are going
to help them out?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
None? That's brutal, yes, because all the Big twelve. Ah,
we're not breaking our contract. Dude, everybody's contract is already
done like that. Like, this isn't canceling a game in
twenty twenty five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten thirty. This
is this is canceling a game in a year. Obviously

(21:39):
in COVID that we've seen, it's doable, but that was
because other people didn't have games too. So so there
are nine teams that don't have games. That's it, and.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So that addition that hurts. So I'm then then that's
that's just it. Hurt people, hurt people, right. I also
don't have a problem with Colorado. Beautiful school, beautiful campus,
incredible people, fifth best, sixth best athletic program in the
state of Colorado. Air Force is better, Colorado State's better,
MASA State's better, CSU Pueblos better, Colorado Christian would probably

(22:14):
reck them Regis they got Regis, you know they'd lose
in basketball. But like you said, nothing against Colorado. Wish
them the absolute best.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Hey, So So now we're on the precipice of Arizona leaving,
right and I and.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Will they be allowed to leave?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Will they be allowed to now?

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Because they all time villain Michael Crowe? Do you really
think he would let Arizona go without ASU? And one
thing we know about Michael crow he doesn't want to
go east. No, he doesn't want Arizona State traveling east
for athletic competition.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So so will the because they share the same regions, correct, yeah? Yeah,
so will those regents allow them to break up? Because
USC and Cal had different regents I'm sorry, have the
same regents. And they fought it. I should say they

(23:16):
fought it ceremoniously.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
It wasn't the n Actually, didn't they get the wheels
greased a little bit? Wasn't the Wasn't there like a
financial kick?

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yes, yes, yes, they have to kick back to Cal
a little bit. But I believe here's the here's the thing.
Arizona leaves right. So now you have eight teams in
the PAC twelve. Explain me, Explain me how Arizona State

(23:51):
Utah in particular, first and foremost, why they would not
go because the idea that it a TV deal. Mind
you you are hemorrhaging teams a TV deal, Like, you
can't even have a TV deal really presented because you

(24:16):
don't even know how many teams are gonna be there.
You literally don't know how many teams. So how can
a TV network say, listen, I'm gonna pay you X amount.
I'm gonna pay you three hundred million dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
So that's the blackmail that keeps getting these statements issued
is George Kliafkov can go to the university presidents and
ads and he can say, if you don't announce that
you're rolling with the PAC twelve, we're not even gonna
see an offer. And that's how I believe in my heart,
that's how these statements keep coming out. Because these statements

(24:49):
don't make sense. George, nobody believes them. Nobody who wrote
them and is participating in them believes them. The reception
is like, if you just go to the last PAC
twelve statement, he got quote tweeted like two thousand times,
And I know there aren't two thousand people that care

(25:10):
enough about the PAC twelve to be quote tweeting and
making fun of it.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
That is a that is a lie. There there are
there are millions of us who care enough to quote tweet.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
They beat the care out of a lot of people,
though that's the problem. They beat his the care out
of a lot of people by not being able to
get the Pack twelve network on television, by making people
spend forty five minutes on Google and another three hours
in traffic to find a bar in their area that
has Packed twelve network, and then to get to that
bar and convince them to change the channel from Mattlock

(25:42):
like it's the.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Day, or to change the damn channel from from Mount
West football or maction or or what or the or
instead of having the SEC on ten dvs? Can you
can you please put it on nine?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Right? So can your question your question that you were
about to ask, what is there's? There is only one
possible move. You don't want any part of it. As
an Oregon alum, you tweeted that to me today when
I was like, what what would a good name for
a Mountain West and Pac twelve?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh no, dude, and listen, I just want to make this.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Did you like broke Pack Mountain?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I did? I did vote for broke Packhart one. Now
Here's the thing is that I like Rob Mullins, right,
who's the Oregon's athletic director, Like Rob Mullins. Nothing bad

(26:44):
that he's done a great job as an athletic director.
Great job. Not not even a good job, He's done
a great job. Oregon has a new president. Don't know
that person yet because Michael Schiel is over at Northwest
and that's going swimmingly so far.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
You can give any interviews to the media for the
foreseeable future.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, because he watched. He watched his first opportunity there.
So so if Oregon doesn't all and we and we
know that Oregon and Washington have been vetted by the
Big ten already that they wanted to hold off and
you know, wait for whatever reason. So now, if Oregon

(27:29):
does not have an escape hatch here, this is a
fireable offense for Rob Mullins. Fireable if your plan was
to all right, we're just gonna thug it out in
the PAC twelve and you didn't have backdoor action popping

(27:50):
like like like you weren't still in your relationship sending
sending out hey, big heads and all of that. You
you have, you you have utterly failed. So and I
feel like Rob is smarter than that we've had a
conversation about like I it would be I would feel

(28:16):
bamboozled by Rob if he didn't have a plan already,
if there were not a plan in place, And I
don't think that that plan is the Big Twelve. Oregon
and Washington don't fit into Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I agree, agree, and to go back to it. Colorado
is a Big twelve school.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, Arizona and Arizona State and Utah I don't mind
them in the Big twelve either.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Like that, why do you think why do you think
Utah is so steadfast and and and ultimately even possibly
created an enemy in the Big twelve with their outward
commitment to the Pac twelve. My personal feeling on it
was that they have found footing, They've found success, and
I think it means a lot to the city of

(29:05):
Salt Lake to be equated with your Seattle's and your
LA's and your Phoenix areas. I think it means a
lot to them because one thing you have to understand
in the Bay Area, especially because Salt Lake been stealing
companies from from Silicon Valley left and right. But one
thing you got to know about Salt Lake City is

(29:26):
it's it maskarades as a major American city. It's not. No,
it's a couple. There's a couple of cities out there
in this country that, like you would be shocked to
find out the population of I mean, Atlanta, Salt Lake.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I've Salt Lake City is one of them.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yes, Atlanta is another. I think people here Atlanta and
they know about that airport and they're like, oh, that's
a that's a that's a seven figure town. No, it's
less than half that. Well, I mean they got they
got the suburbs and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
We have the suburbs though, too. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
I know I live in the San Fernando Valley. There
are two million people just in the San Fernando Valley alone.
Like La Proper ain't as big as and as big
as uh you know, people make it out.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
To be right, But what I'm saying is like Smyrna, Marietta,
those towns around Atlanta, they have the population of Salt
Lake correct, correct, Like Salt Lake City is like a
like a two hundred thousand person city, right. I've long
thought that like it mostly benefits them to be associated
with the PAC twelve, which is majority made up of

(30:38):
like great American cities of the West, you know, and
there's a su fans listen to this right now that
will want to fight me about Tucson. There's a million
people in Tucson. There's a million people in Tucson. You know,
you can argue and tell me that that that's a
million people making a bad decision. But it's a major city, right.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I just okay, So let's focus on the Arizona
Arizona State part of this. First. Yes, now, Arizona clearly
will leave, but do you believe that Michael Crow in
Arizona State will follow suit? And if they don't follow suit,
what is the alternative? Because next year, Because here's where

(31:25):
you're at right right now, not playing football or basketball
on television in twenty twenty four, that's where you're at
right now. There's no there's no plan in place. After
July first of next year, it's over. So it's not

(31:47):
like like there's not an imaginary deadline. You are past
the deadline. You are past the appropriate time for you
to have gotten something done. You are well passed that time.
Can we agree on that?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
So now the question is all right, so let's say
Arizona leaves right now, what happens to the other eight
teams because Colorado, I'm sorry, because Utah and Arizona State.
I think it feels easy for them to just migrate

(32:27):
to the PAC twelve. I mean, to the Big twelve.
If you are the Big ten, you kind of have
to take the other six schools, don't you.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Six is a lot, you know, I don't know. I've
heard people talk about, you know, you could probably fit
in an Oregon State in the Mountain West. You can
probably fit a col in the Mountain West. I don't
think they want any part of that. The thing that
the PAC twelve has done is create a standard by
which no one wants to downgrade from, which is part

(33:01):
of the reason why they're not accepting.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So, you know, like I've grown accustomed to a lifestyle,
and people keep saying, we'll add SMU and add San
Diego State. Well, San Diego State has a thirty four
million dollar buyout right now, and.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Which would have been sixteen, which would have been sixteen
a minute ago.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, and packed, And people are like, no, well, the
packed one should help them out with it with what
money they they've all they're already owing Comcast. What is it,
seventy million dollars you already owe Comcast? Yeah, fifty million.
You already owe them a boatload of money. So how
are you gonna lend out money? And do you think

(33:45):
that the that the Mountain West is gonna take an
IOU from San Diego State?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
No, And the Mountain West played this perfectly.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
They really They're gonna be like, I need my money tomorrow,
like I'm like I'm supposed to.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
And there was there's no reason for So here's the thing.
The Mountain West played this perfectly. They really did they
They San Diego State came back to them hat in
hand like, and ye, it was kind of it was
kind of impressive, it really was. It was bad for
the Pac twelve obviously, but at the same time, like
to say, we have a path forward on paying this

(34:21):
thirty four million dollar bill when you didn't have a
path forward on paying the sixteen million dollar bill. Also,
acting like that sixteen million dollar bill was a surprise.
That's what kills me. That's what absolutely kills me. They
knew for the longest time and they still let it
come up against the deadline. I'm as mad at the
PAC twelve and San Diego State, as I am at
my kids who do this every single week with every

(34:42):
single activity they have in their life, Like, oh, you
knew you needed to recharge your lunch account for three
weeks and I'm finding out today after you ate a
cheese sandwich and you say everybody laughed at you in
the lunch room, like, no, I can't help you. Now,
I could have helped you when you knew, you knew,
we could have addressed this. And so you know, that

(35:03):
whole thing was frustrating, but the Mountain West played it
as well as they possibly could. And the funniest thing
is the Mountain West president going out here on all
these talk shows talking about like, yeah, well, you know,
we might lose teams here in the future, but we
got our leverage, and you know, good good for them,
I guess. But since you brought up Arizona and as
them as the obvious ones moving to the Big twelve,

(35:23):
that that's the most obvious move. It's the looming one.
It's one Jason Cher has been talking about forever. It's
the other shoe that everyone's waiting for for to drop right,
and Michael Crow is the hurdle. The president of Arizona
State is the hurdle. We know this. He's been a
hurdle to several of the other things he was. He
not only stood in the way of getting rid of

(35:44):
Larry Scott, he praised Larry Scott when everybody else was
talking about what a failure he was. And he openly
mocked people who believed the PAC twelve was worse off for.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Having it that he was wrong. Now, well, here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You look at what happened to San Diego State, right,
they had to swallow their pride, come back hat in hand.
This clip's gonna get cut, and I don't appreciate whoever
decides to do that. But Michael crow doesn't swallow, right,
that pride still in his mouth. He's not choking that down,

(36:21):
he's not apologizing. He still he He issued a statement
thanking Larry Scott for everything he did when Larry Scott
when it was announced that he was being moved on. Right,
and he is the only person to have issued a
statement like that. Michael Crowe does not admit when he's wrong.
Michael Crowe does not apologize in my in my experience, right, Yeah,

(36:45):
there's no reason for him too. He absolutely believes that that.
And here's why he believes it. So for for anybody
that thinks that he's just like an idiot, he's not.
He says, we used to have a little, Now we
have a lot. We hire Larry Scott. And if you
can't give Larry Scott credit for that, I can't take
credit for that. If so facto, I'm responsible for us

(37:08):
having more than we used to have. Larry Scott's responsible
for us having more than we used to have. Here's
the deal. This is like uh being happy for somebody
who went and got you water in a flood. Everybody
has a lot now, Yeah, that's the rising tide. Everybody
has a lot and had very little to do with

(37:30):
Larry Scott.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
In fact, Larry Scott changing right.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
And and it's also that attitude is the same thing
that got Larry Scott the job in the first place.
The idea that Women's Tennis quintupled its revenue over his
run as president of the WTA. No, Williams Quinn. Yeah, yeah,
that's like taking credit for Tiger Woods. It's like Nike,

(37:56):
uh saying that like that, Michael Jordan only would have
had success with night.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Like no, right, like no, he would have had success wherever.
They may not have built the brand around him like
you like you did, but yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
And this corporate America, though, is corporate America. So I'm
all for everybody when you see that, Like an assistant
coach gets hired at a football school and they were
a GA somewhere else and in their bio it's like
was part of compiling the number one recruiting class at Alabama.
Like no, they weren't. They put cones out on the field,
but like, you know, take your credit, move up, get
your job, Larry Scott got his money, you know whatever.

(38:32):
But Michael Crow never apologized for that. So this is
the one move. And I want to put this out
to you and see what you think about it, because
I think this could actually save Arizona State. Robert Robbins,
the President of Arizona, needs to go to Michael Crow
and say you go first, and then will announce that
we're following you to the Big twelve. You had a

(38:54):
good idea. They're like, hey, you know, I trust Michael
crow vision on this lowly University of Arizona will follow
the pioneers of Arizona State in the wow ULTI move.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
If I'm if I'm Arizona, I'm not going for that.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I'm not I think I was gonna follow Arizona. Do
you think he's gonna follow Arizona.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
He's going to have to, Ralph, He's gonna have to
What is the freaking alternative? I mean, this is this
is where we are. There is no alternative. The the
alternative is death. Think of think about what is the
alternative to go to the Mountain West? Is staying in

(39:44):
the Pac twelve? The alternative?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Well, you're George Reister. You sound like King George right now.
And I'm out here being Patrick Henry saying give me
liberty or give me death. I'll take death.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's Michael Crow'll take go go go ahead, die all
by yourself, buddy, because because everybody else, I mean, honestly,
the two screws that the two schools that are screwed
the most, but one of them is not quite screwed
as much as everybody else, which is Stanford, because Stanford

(40:14):
can stand alone without football, so and they can find
their way into the Big Ten as soon as Notre
Dame eventually breaks and goes in. So like it's a
waiting game for.

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Speaker 2 (40:41):
Cal. Dude, they're not good at anything right now. Like
nothing is attractive about Cal at this point in time
except the location. So they have to figure something something out.
Oregon State and Washington State. Oregon State's like you, mother,
just as soon as we get things going in our

(41:03):
athletic department, we build new facilities, we do all of this,
and then you're trying to strand us like it. So
like Cal so, Oregon State in Washington State, they got
a problem, and then you got Oregon and Washington which
are clearly attractive. The Big ten's not ready for them.

(41:26):
But I don't think the Big ten has a choice
right now, because if you are Washington and Oregon, what
I would say is, all right, cool, we'll join the
Big twelve. Don't worry about it. And the Big Ten's
gonna be like whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa padre whoa
whoa whoa, don't go making rash rash decisions and like no, no, no, no, no,
it's not it's not rash. You said you're not ready,

(41:48):
so we'll either go to the ACC or to be twelve.
Don't worry about it. We're not We're not. We're not
begging you to do this.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Everything we've heard about CAL is they need that direct
depositive hit. So if the PAC twelve comes back and says, oh,
it's only twenty two million dollars for school, Cal's gonna
be like only.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You know, hey, where where do we send the routing instructions?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah? Well, And the funniest thing about that is, uh,
and I'm not sure if these numbers are exact, but
I think they're pretty close. Next year, Aaron Rodgers Calalum
and Jaylen Brown Calilum are going to make a combined
one hundred and thirty eight million dollars in twenty twenty four.
They need to be hitting up some these salon.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
For for some Hell, hey, hey, yo, we get about
ten mi to play out about.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Get a ten mil prep say hey, we'll play in
the Big Ten one year for free, and and Jaylen
Brown will kick in ten mil just to keep us alive.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Dude. So it just it just sucks because Okay, so
what do you think at the end of the day
when when the dust settles, because this dust is going
to settle pretty quickly because it has to. It has to.
I mean, you can't go into halfway through football season

(43:15):
and you have eight teams still fluttering for twenty twenty four.
Everybody's going to choose up pretty quickly. They are going
to make a decision because waiting it like you literally
cannot wait any longer. Because there is lead times on

(43:38):
all of these. There's lead times on getting into the conference,
on branding, there's lead times on all of this. So
unless you are I mean, of course, people will burn
the midnight oil if they need to, but you're gonna
be left with a rinky dink product and presentation. Because

(43:59):
it takes a long time to like enter a team
into a conference and to integrate them into said said conference.
The athletic directors have to get to know each other,
the travel partners, the hotel like, There's a lot of
stuff that plays into this. And I believe that within

(44:21):
the next thirty sixty days at the very most, that
this will be over, that there will be some peace
for until the acc breaks up.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
All right, So let's run it. I'll start at the top.
I'll name the team. You tell me where you think
they'll be in two months or where they'll be headed,
the direction they'll be heading Arizona.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Big twelve by the it won't even be in two
months by the end of the week.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Do you think that George Klafkoff is rehearsing his speech
in the mirror right now? What advice would you have
to George Klafkoff about the speech he's gonna try to
give to save this conference? Should go to bed early?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, no, no, no, no no. He needs to look disheveled,
like he like he made every single call and be like,
who's coming with me?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Besides Flipper? Here? Who is Flipper in this scenario? Who's Flipper?
And who's Dorothy? Who are the two teams that are
like die Hard Packed twelve? No matter?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
What?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Is that? ASU and Utah?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Nah? I would say it's got to be Washington. I
don't know who needs it more Washington State, Oregon State,
cal or or Yeah, yeah, I think they need it
the most. I think Arizona and Utah are the most committed.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I would watch like that they want to be the
most committed.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I would watch a Pack two or Tupac or however
you want to say it. Asu and Utah play nine
times and then they play one more time in the
Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Man, you made me cough until I almost fainted.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
I would watch. I don't know if i'd have a
podcast about it, but i'd watch. Okay, so you said
Arizona Big twelve, Arizona State Big twelve. Okay, cal.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Homeless?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
You anything Mountain West or anything?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, they may have to go to the Mountain West.
But like that just feels oh yuck. Oh god.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
What if the Mountain West told them, okay, but you're
only going to get a partial share in twenty twenty
fo Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I would go to the American then and from them.
If you're going to give me a parcel of parcel share,
I'm a double bird.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
You do you think that cal actually the lifeline that
keeps them alive is that they're in the most recruiting
rich state in the country in my opinion, Yes, so
that somebody would want them just to have the footprint
in California.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, and then somebody can be like, Okay, well we can,
we can. We can make this work as long as
Woolcox can get it done. And we find an appropriate
basketball coach, we'll be all right.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
If you're the Big twelve, would you rather have a
third team in California or Arizona?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Wait? A third team? How did how'd you get two?

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Oh? My bad, my bad, my bad?

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Would you like how'd you get?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Ten?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
The Big Twelve? Uh? So, would you rather have a
team in California or a team in Arizona?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Well, Arizona's more of a fit. It's geographically.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
But if you pulled I'm saying, if you polled the
current Big Twelve coaches.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh, they would rather have Arizona because then they get
Arizona basketball.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
That's fair. Okay, So Cal homeless? What about Oregon State?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Where wherever Cal ends up? So the mount West.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I don't think every Mountain West team has baseball? It
would be it'd be rough on a couple of sports.
I think, yeah, for sure. Gosh, can you imagine Oregon State?
I'm gonna give up baseball?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Oh, there's no way, There's no way, Larry Scott. Oh,
they would oh their their fans would be sending out
hate mail. They would be sure.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yep, Okay, uh, let's go Utah.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Big twelve.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Would you would you do you think that there's any
chance in hell that the Big Ten, like trying to
become thanos would include Utah in trying to bring in
Washington and Oregon.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Possibly only because see here, here's what I believe. I
believe that we are on a race to a two
team super conference and that they're not ready to get
there yet, but this accelerator is getting pushed so that
there's this and then the ACC has to break up.

(49:18):
And then once you go from there, whoever gets out
of the SEC and the Big Ten accumulate accumulates the
most power. That's who is going to end up the
commissioner of college football. So you're I believe that there's
either going to be two scenarios for this, that you're
either going to have two a East and a West,

(49:41):
the north to south of an American and national whatever
it is that you that you call it. So you're
similar to the NFL where you have two conferences that
were made up of the SEC and the Big Ten,
and then the winner of those and the way that
they do their tournament and the whole thing that the
those two teams will play for the national championship.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
You know, the most frustrating thing about this is it's
not like people are broke. Nope, No, this is like
people who are like, I'm getting administrators, and it has
nothing to do with the athletes. I'm getting twenty million dollars.
I have to expand because you expand or die. That's

(50:23):
the that's the capitalist mindset, right, expand or die. And
I want to get twenty five million dollars, and in
order to go from twenty to twenty five, I will
stir the whole pot. And that's the most annoying thing
about all this is it's not like people are broke.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Because the problem is other people are getting richer around
you and you're not. So now your ability to do
the things that you once did is now minimized. So
if if you your neighbors instead of so, if all
you guys were making the same amount of money and

(51:05):
now everybody else around you is making instead of you
making twenty dollars a year, everybody making twenty dollars a year,
your neighbors are now making fifty fifty dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
And so that explain to me how that incentivizes expansion. Though,
wouldn't the teams that are making fifty sixty million dollars
a year, say like, screw you guys, why would why
would you include them? Why?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Because the alternative is is that somebody else can take them,
which then they can increase their pot and now they'll
be making seventy while they're stuck at fifty. It's just
an accumulation of power to be rich and scared. Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Very weird, very weird. There's a lot of poor people
out there that don't even know what they don't have.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yes, correct, and they are sitting here like, yo, what
you're what you're what you're not going to do is
take all of our stuff because because if you have
said and we have fifty, now you can take our stuff.
Now you can take our coaches, you can take our
players or recruits, you can you can take the things
that we covet.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Yeah. So it just what it tells me is like
there's a type of person in this world that I
can't identify with, and it's the people who are sad
about the size of their yacht. I have nothing in
common with you. It's very hard to identify with you.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But there's a belief that you're going to Yeah, but
you're gonna lose your yacht. You will you will lose
your yacht in this in this scenario, because yes you will,
because would.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Just chill know, you wouldn't somebody else would just have
a bigger yacht than you.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
That means that.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
But the American Conference isn't going away, the Mountain West
Conference isn't going away. Some form of these will exist.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, until until you end up with until you end
up with either what I was saying, an American International Conference,
which will be the Big ten in the SEC, or
you're gonna end up with one super conference. I mean
it pretty much looks the exact same same way. And

(53:15):
then you end up with a big tournament and there
will be a commissioner, there will be a leader. And
that's what the arms race is about, between the Big
ten and the SEC. And the craziest part about this
is that the butterfly effect is had the PAC twelve
given the Texas the Big Ten, the Big twelve network,

(53:36):
I'm sorry, the Longhorn Network. Had they allowed that, you
would have had Oklahoma and Texas in the PAC twelve,
which would have led to a different expansion. And then
Larry Scott might not even screw this whole thing up.
Never never mind, he screws it up in every alternate universe.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So say, so, what's that Marvel calls that a cannon event. Yes,
things you can't change. Yes, Larry Scott's gonna screw it up.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
So then you have Oregon and Washington left, and I
think that they're only I mean, their only options are
to beg to get into Big ten right now, or
you try to do some sort of scheduling agreement half
independent scheduling agreement with the ACC right now.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
This all this reminds me of is that Lewis c
k bit where he's like everything is wonderful and nobody's happy.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
I'm not saying that people should be holding still, but
like nobody's taking stock of the fact that, like to
quote Michael Crowe, we used to have a little. Now
we have a lot, Like yep, and everybody's just chill
for a second. But and also to go back to
this is a thing like if I don't upgrade, I
have no hope at a national championship, Well, guess what.
You have no hope in a national championship. And the

(55:01):
stuff that makes you think that you do is like
Cincinnati getting into the playoff and that's real cute and everything,
but like, really, really it should be the love and
the joy of the game, and your I don't know,
I'm gonna go into something the same speech that got
Jim McGuire fired, But like it really should be football

(55:23):
for the sake of football. You do your best to
do your best with the resources you get, which are plentiful,
which are more than anyone has ever had. And so
what if Alabama's out here winning national championships. Not everybody
could be Alabama. In the Pac twelve, there were really
only two teams that have a shot to be Alabama

(55:44):
and three to four other teams that had a chance
to be Cincinnati. Right. Washington has shown that they that
they've they've done it twice, that they have that chance.
Arizona State has shown that they're one one victory away
in Rudy Carpenter's junior year and in twenty fifteen away

(56:05):
from being that Cincinnati. Like they probably wouldn't have done
anything at the playoff level, but they were within reach.
The powerhouses are really Oregon and USC and then you
have a few with an outside shot like a UCLA
and an ASU and a you know not not that
those teams all perform up to part of a single year.
There's a year that Washington went winless, right, but like

(56:26):
that they have the resources, Yeah, and they have the
backing to be able to do something like that. You know,
most teams are hoping for a Bowl and they're hoping
just to get a couple of guys at to that
NFL level and to keep things going on, you know,
And we on this podcast route for that, and we
celebrate that. We celebrate what Oregon State's doing right now.

(56:47):
We would have been all in and I still am
excited for what Colorado and Shador Sanders and and and
you know, you know, and Dion and everybody you know
is putting together for this fine year of pact to
a football really feels like final year or whatever.

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Speaker 2 (57:17):
Hey, so before we get up out of here, though,
full quote from Dan Lanning on his reaction to Colorado
leaving the conference. Mind you, He's last year was his
first season here. Not a big reaction. I'm trying to
I'm trying to remember what they want to affect this conference,

(57:38):
and I don't remember. Do you remember them winning anything?
I don't remember them winning anything. See, I think that
that is I think that that's the appropriate take, But
I don't think that it is the like that that
it's also the surface legs take.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
What a quote like that tells me that that Oregon's
probably not gonna follow Colorado or the Big twelve, because
then that would be a big e cro moment, right.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, See, I think that a lot of it had that,
because I've heard people say a lot Well, what difference
does that make? The is that a team that's been
bad they're leaving the conference? Well, Rutgers leaving the Big
ten is a is a big deal, you hear me,
because you because anytime you lose a school, what is

(58:34):
your replacement value? Now, the Big ten can replace Rutgers
easily with an upgrade, you hear me, with an upgrade.
Problem with the PAC twelve is right now, you can't
replace Colorado with an upgrade, so you actually lose money

(58:54):
by losing Colorado.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Well, was it Canzano that supposedly got an anonymous quote
that say the PAC twelve is going to look for
a way to upgrade or was that.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Wilner oh one, well, oh, that that they were going
to try to trade up, that they were going to
try to trade group.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Said that they're gonna try to trade up.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Who the fuck are you going to trade up with? Ralph?
I mean, like, like, who are you going to trade
up with? Because you can't trade up with anybody because
you have the least you you cannot trade up.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
True. Two questions though, and this is I because I
got mad about this quote in the beginning, and then
I was like, well, I guess if they doubled back
on San Diego State, san Diego State athletically is actually
an upgrade, no trade up, no sense somebody, maybe not
for the sake of like getting TV money in but athletically, sure,

(59:45):
if you put San Diego State, because if you put
San Diego State up against Colorado over the last ten years,
and they were the teams to play each other every
single time, san Diego State's winning nine of those ten
games every single.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
In football, No, san Diego State has been beating up
on the Pac twelve for the last said. Okay, yes,
but they went to the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
National championship in basketball, last year. They're absolutely an athletic
upgrade over Colorado. Here's why Dan Lanning is allowed to
kick Colorado and the ass on the way out the door.
They have played nine times. Oregon and Colorado played nine
times since Colorado joined the pack.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I think Colorado's won once, maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Once in twenty sixteen. But here's the deal. In all
eight wins, Colorado scored forty or more. There are multiple
forty point wins, multiple forty point wins. One of the
reasons that Colorado came to their senses about not belonging
in the PAC twelve is because they have to play Oregon.

(01:00:48):
I wish I was, like I try to be funny
and entertaining on this podcast sometimes right now, but like
this is this is Colorado's Oh, by the way, they
play September twenty third this year. I can't wait for
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Bredey are gonna get their doors knocked though.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
One of the first things. So like all the Colorado
fans that came out to their first home game against
Oregon back in twenty eleven, their first home game against Oregon,
you know they were excited. They get to see the
Ducks come to Boulder. It's the first time that they've
hosted the Ducks in Boulder since nineteen eighty seven, back
when Colorado was actually the shit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Right, yeah, but but but we did play Colorado when
Colorado was the shit in two thousand and one in
the Fiesta Bowl and dog walked into right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
But I'm talking about just just in the regular season, right, Like,
you get to host them, and you get to do
it at fulsome Field forty five to two, forty five
to two. So then you got a regroup and be like,
oh my god, we got to go to Eugene next year.
We learned our lesson, we know what the PAC twelve
is all about. So let's go to Eugene. Let's regroup,
let's recapture some of our pride. Maybe we won't win,

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but it's not going to be forty five to two.
And you know what happened to him seventy to fourteen.
So then you're like, shit, this PEC twelve stuff is
for real. Hey, but we get them at Folsome in
twenty thirteen. They're coming back here. We're not gonna let
something like that happening in fifty seven to sixteen. So
then in twenty fourteen, you're like, oh my god, if

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I was a freshman in twenty eleven, this is my
last chance to do anything that shows I have any
level of respect for myself in this uniform, To play
for Ralfie, to play for the memory of Slash right,
like to do something to just show that you have
any pridle forty four to ten. That the reason Colorado

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is leaving, Like, yeah, yeah, it's for the money, like
I said, so, they can get ten million per football
win per year in the Big twelve. But a big
reason is they never fit here. In twenty nineteen pre pandemic,
with a decent squad, they lost forty five to three
in Eugene last year, last year Dan Lanning's first crack

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at playing against Colorado. Yeah, forty nine to ten at
Folsom Like Colorado doesn't belong in the Pac twelve, and
they would have struggled in the Mountain West. They would have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
They would have struggled in that they see. I actually
think that they're gonna have a better chance of doing
well in the Big tit in the Big twelve than
they are in the Pac twelve because you you having
to play Oregon, Utah and Washington and so USC Washington,
Oregon and uh utah in the PAC twelve every year. Bro,

(01:03:41):
that's yeah, you were, you were, You're swimming in the
deep end.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
My favorite thing about that last year's game, by the way,
is the only guy that scored a touchdown. And you
and I talked about it right after we talked about
the PAC twelve apostles Jordan Tyson, and I was like,
I told you he was gonna be beast, and he
showed up in that game. He got eighty one yard touchdown,
comes in and he's like, I don't think this dude
can play for me. He's gone. Now, good luck Colorado, man.

(01:04:06):
I know talent is destiny, and I know they got
better players now, But like you have in the same
way that when USC left, you turn heel on USC
on this podcast and in real life, I don't I
wish Colorado the best in the Big twelve, but it's
not gonna hurt my feelings when the results this year

(01:04:28):
look like the results last year not at all. Yeah, okay,
And I don't blame them. I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
It's bad and everyone's gonna have to leave and they
look like geniuses for doing it first or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
But and your guy the guys that you sent me
at m h v er three.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah, the big twelve connected guy that always talks about
who's leaving and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
He's actually been very right about a lot of stuff. Yeah, yes, Okay,
so he just tweeted out being told that George Khliakov
has an honest to god term sheet to present to
Pack twelve presidents tomorrow. Presidents that are on the Pack
twelve Media Committee are already aware of what these terms are.
I can't say much, but I will say that they

(01:05:16):
are not good. And I will say that most of
what's being presented has already been shared by me in
the older tweets. Presidents forced George khliakoff to put an
offer on the table, and there's only been one actual
offer far enough along to get terms on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
The real pop problem right now in George Klafkov needs
to make a phone call because there is somebody out
there with a pension for overpaying and he needs to
call up Elon Musk if he can get through.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Like, hey, bro, you can buy the pack for sixty dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Right and you can stream it on Twitter, which would
actually be good. That would actually be good. I guess
Twitter doesn't exist. Anymore or whatever, so you could stream
it on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Stream it on X That actually might be reasonable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
It's the only play because Elon like, first of all,
Elon Musk paid eight nine times more yeah what Twitter
was worth? Yeah yeah, eight or nine times more than
he should have.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
So actually, and and he's like that meme, I'll do
it again.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Yeah. But I mean, if this man will put Tucker
Carlson on streaming on Twitter, maybe we'll put the Pac
twelve on Twitter too. Equally bad products sometimes, So I
don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I should put me in charge of the Back twelve.
I would have got us out of this mess. I
promise you. I would have got us out of this mess, or.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Your failures at least would have been more fun. You're
not shot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I would have got us up out of here. I
would have got us. I would have went, dude, think
of think about a year ago. Think think about this
a little over a year ago. George Khliakov, the resident
of the ACC and oh god, what was his name?

(01:07:05):
The president of the Big ten. Kevin Warren, yes, Kevin
Warren all sat up there and was like, yes, we
got the alliance, baby, the Alliance.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
We laughed at that at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Bro that might be the biggest Oh my god, Broke,
you didn't realize how big dopes that we look right that?
How big of dopes? The back twelve looks right now?

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
It looks bad then? And am I'm remembering this incorrectly?
Let me know? But didn't they announce the alliance and
then USC like immediately announced home and Home with Alabama
or something like that because SEC wasn't part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
No, no, the SEC wasn't. But yeah, s he announced
something and then they announced that they were audios.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Bro all right, I promised people. I promised people that
would read their tweets aloud. Answering the question, you believe
the conference will survive? Okay, so on your reaction to
some of these at Brandon Underscore SV one of my
favorite followers on Twitter, he says, I don't. At this point,
it's just a matter of which podcaster creates the at
Broke Pack Mountain Apostles handle first. All right, Jan Grande,

(01:08:25):
who lives out here in Charlotte with me big ASU
fan literally bit like big dude, he says, Lol. Nope,
I'm guessing there have been plenty of member schools and
talks with other landing places in case the number comes
back super low, which beyond let's be honest, it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Will Yes, Yes, everybody who's been waiting on this TV
deal has known it's not going to be is not
going to move the needle at all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
So at Dominic to Coco, which is an incredible reference
Dominic to Coco, he says, I'm hoping the conference dies
Oregon to be forced to leave it. I'm I'm I'm
assuming you don't want it in that order, you know,
I mean, I don't want running from the explosion. You
want that if.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
That's if that's what it comes to, Bro, because I
don't think that Oregon would would would leave except for
the explosion.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Right now, okay? Uh? Nate Rice at Mulchcast, Nate says, Nope.
If I were a conference thing about inviting Adsu to join,
I would be very cautious because I feel like we
have the most blood armands. I wouldn't want the crow
Ray combination, Bro, Bro, that is an explosive combination combination

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of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
That is a I mean, it's like whatever either one
of them suggests to do, do the opposite. That's why
I would keep them around.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
And then here we go. Todd Busso says, nope, I
have a feeling Colorado saw TV numbers and that was
the final straw. Also hard to survive when Big ten
covers four times, SEC is in three and Big twelve
is in three. The PAC twelve doesn't have the reach
for favorable kickoff times and are relegated to ten pm
Eastern time slots.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
So much truth there, so much truth there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
So what about an ACC PAC twelve merger? Does that?
I mean, I don't even think that's on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
It's too late. It's too late, too, it is too late.
It's too late. The PAC twelve has no time. Arizona
is not going to wait on you to get a
deal with the ACC. You should have done that immediately

(01:10:44):
when you when you weren't getting favorable information back from
TV networks, you should have been like, ACC, your gr
But the ACC may not be open to it because
as soon as they break their gor then the floodgates
are gonna open, because as soon as teams can get out,

(01:11:07):
they're all the teams in the ACC.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Would uh would say yeah cool, like yeah, let's do it.
G R broken, bam we free baby, no double bird
F you we out of here. Sec Big ten, here
we come.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
So if you're the Big ten and you're looking at
Washington or Oregon and getting even more of a stranglehold
in the Pacific time zone, or you have the opportunity
to bring on Clemson and Florida State, what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Oh, I I am bringing on. I need both of them.
I need all. I need it all, yep, I need
all four.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I like the I like the way you think you
think big. I don't know. I'm I'm for it. Though,
if there's a way in the next twelve hours for
George Kleafkoff to to find a way to give us
the sun Bowl every single week, get us some some
NC state asun l passo every week, whatever, I do
want the pac twelve to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Stop, dude, your your suffering is rooted in in your hope.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
I'm not suffering though I did. I we done suffered.
We suffered. I suffered paying sixty bucks a month to
Sling for the last five years for one channel so
that I could be on the East coast watching Oregon
State Washington State kickoff at eleven forty five at night.
That was my suffering. I have paid. I am I

(01:12:36):
have ascended. I'm no longer suffering. I just want I'm
allowed to want the PAC twelve to I'm allowed to
want the PAC twelve to exist.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you are allowed to want that.
There's nothing wrong with wrong with there's nothing wrong with wanting.
So so congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I really want to be in this meeting tomorrow so bad.
And you know it's not in person.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Probably nope, no, no nose, George, George klearop is probably dude,
everybody's not flying to They're like, we're not wasting our
private jet money. Put it up, put it on zoom, bro,
put it, put it up, put it on zoom. And
then I bet you about ten cameras like go off

(01:13:25):
for a second. Well they're sorry, there aren't ten ten cameras.
If I bet you, at least five of them go off,
and while they're cussing at somebody room like this mother,
I got this over here, like all right, hey, all right, George,
thanks man, appreciate it. We gotta go. We got another
zoom right now, go as soon as he puts up

(01:13:48):
the numbers and goes through the terms. All right, hey, George, George, George, George,
thanks man. We appreciate it. All right, we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Isn't there any give give me any reason why George
Kleafkov shouldn't go into this meeting tomorrow as lit as
Denzel Washington in the movie Flight. No, Nope, you're saying
there's no hope. He might as well. He might as
well hit the mini bottles in the hotel, throw an

(01:14:19):
eight ball in there. He might as well make the
meeting exciting. If you're saying there's no shot, might as
well make it memorable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Bro, I It's it's over, Ralph, it's over, Like can
you get it? The no more, no more hope, stop
stop pedaling hope to the people, stop pedaling hope. This
is this is over, like this podcast is over, and
we and we will be back next week, people, We

(01:14:53):
will be back.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
The final season of Fact on football.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah, we got we are. We're gonna sell quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
We got the best quarterbacks in the entire country, and
we fumbled the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Oh my god, hey baby, we are in the right place.
It's it's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I'm sad now, yeah, yep, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
It's okay. All right, everybody week it's going to be
sad because it because it's over.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Pack happened season four. We are out of eligibility. We
got some senior witis.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yep, exactly all right. We will catch you guys next
week