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November 14, 2025 94 mins

In this episode, Matt sits down with Adrian Lawson (@sipswithserra on YouTube) to talk about his wild childhood, what it was like growing up in a broken home, living in the foster care system, dealing with parents who were drug addicts, to becoming Catholic and defending that decision against his Protestant family.

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00:00:00 – Intro and Matt's new book 
00:01:47 – Growing up around drugs
00:12:45 – Renouncing Christianity 
00:20:00 – Morality and atheism
00:36:07 – Dabbling in Buddhism 
00:39:00 – Journey to Catholicism and the Church Fathers
00:56:20 – Trying to disprove the papacy and praying the Rosary
01:05:10 – Dating and marriage
01:16:13 – From Lattes With Luther to Sips With Serra
01:23:20 – Holy Protestants and new convert zeal
01:27:40 – Who was St. Junipero Serra?

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