August 10, 2026 • 31 mins
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Is it frivolous—or even sinful—to pray for your child to score the winning goal or your favorite sports team to win?
This week, Alana and Jaime share an engaging and refreshingly honest conversation about the realities of mixing sports, competition, and prayer as a believer.
In this episode, Alana and Jaime explore the unique, often misunderstood, and complex challenges that Christian athletes, parents, and sports fans face. They open up about the controversial misuse of verses like Philippians 4:13 for athletic success, the fear of judgment from those who over-spiritualize everyday activities, and the profound struggle of trusting God when a fervently prayed-for victory turns into a tough defeat.
They also unpack incredible insights on character that prove God can use our physical passions to cultivate godliness. From finding unexpected opportunities for ministry through a high school cross-country team to untangling competitive joy from selfish motives, this conversation highlights that whatever we do can be done for His glory. They also introduce powerful, practical ways to intentionally intercede for the athletes in your life—covering physical safety, emotional stamina, and spiritual growth—without turning prayer into a superstitious tug-of-war.
You'll walk away inspired by their grounded faith, reminded that we can praise God just as deeply in a loss as in a win, and equipped with practical ways to support and pray for the athletes you love.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Life Audio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome to the Praying Christian Woman Podcast. I
am Alana here with Jamie. How are you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing great? How are you? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We are going to be talking today about sports, and
there is always a joke about, oh, I prayed for
my sports team to win. There are plenty of pastors
who make fun of people who pray for their sports
seems to win. There is also a huge experience of
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being a mother of an athlete or watching somebody play
a sport that you love and care about and you're
definitely praying for that person. So we're going to have
all of these discussions and more, and I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Our first of the day today is from Colossians three
twenty three from the NIV. It is whatever you do,
work at it with all of your heart, as working
for the Lord, not for human mess So obviously, no
matter what we do, whether it's sports or things that
seem more spiritual, it's all for God. And I think
that's a great segue into the conversation because I think
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some of us feel guilty for praying for sports, or
even for praying for elements of sports that don't feel spiritual,
like oh, yeah. I can pray for my kid to
witness to his team, but I can't pray for my
kid to score a goal, you know, and that's a
lesser prayer. So I think it'll be interesting to kind
of get into is it or what?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What is yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Whether you play sports, whether you watch sports, whether you
have any loved ones or children or grandchildren who play sports.
I think there's going to be some good information here
for you. I'm changing up are just for fun from
what I was going to do. How about this for
just for fun question? Do you have a favorite sports movie?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I would say one of my favorites sports movies is Miracle.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like Miracle on Ice.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's the Disney movie that's about the nineteen eighty US
Olympic hockey team and how it's during the Cold It
takes place during the Cold War where there's just like
high tensions between the US and the Soviet Union, and
the Soviets have dominated the sport for decades and the
US comes in with literally no chance. In fact, they
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play a game just before the big Olympic game and
they get creamed. And so it's about their you know,
it's an underdog story.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Is it a real story?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Oh yeah, it's true. Cool, Yeah, it's completely true.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's yeah about the nineteen eighty US Mensal Olympic hockey team.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So yeah, what about you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I think up until last year, I probably would have
said the Cool Runnings, Yeah, they're so cute, the Jamaican
Bother Olympic undernog Yeah, and just very feel good, happy inspiring.
There are quite a few sports movies that I don't
dislike it all. But actually I think my favorite sports movie,
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at least at this exact stage of my life, is
Chariots a Fire.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I was going to guess that because we've had a
conversation recently about that and that, Yeah, that came to
mind as well.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That is such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. I rewatched it with our son, who's a runner.
I've got a lot of runners in my family. There's
also a There were just a lot of close connections.
The missionary runner, Eric Little that it's about, grew up
on the mission field at the same time my grandma
would have been there, and so lots of neat stuff there.
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I know we did an episode on Christian True Crime Junkies,
and I think we might have put that episode on
the Praying Christian Woman feed. But if you didn't grab
that one yet, we have a whole episode about Eric
Little and the man in Chariot's a fire But what
happened to him afterwards is where the true crime side
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and the missionary side comes from. But yeah, I would
say at least at this point, that's my book. Cool
Runnings is just so happy it's hard not to get
like super teary it is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Another good one is Mystery Alaska. Another hockey movie and
I think it's Disney also, but it's about Mystery Alaska. Yeah,
so it's got the Alaska and it's got the hockey theme.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. I like that one too. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, where do you want to Actually, I know where
I want to start our conversation. I want to start
our conversation with a pet peeve that I have heard
lots of Christians talk about, and that is using Philippians
four thirteen in a sports setting. So Philippians four thirteen
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is I can do all things through Christ. It gives
me strength. You see it a lot Like I know
there was some boxer or wrestler who had it like
on his like the waistline of his shorts. I'm sure
it's a common tat it's a common verse for athletes,
but I have heard Christians get very puritanical, and not
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necessarily in a bad way. I want to know your
opinion saying this verse is specifically about living in plenty
or living in once. This verse is about being content.
This verse was written by Paul, who was not an
Olympic gold medalist. So the question is is it wrong
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to use that verse to motivate yourself if you're an athlete.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I feel like if you can do all things through Christ,
who gives you strength, then I mean, can I fly
without help? No, Jesus is probably not going to give
me sprouted wings so I can fly off. So I
don't think you should claim it like, oh, I can
score a goal, or I can make the varsity team
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because Christ gives me strength and it's a guarantee.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But I can persevere.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Beyond what I think are in my own limitations, in
I think, in any circumstance, because Christ is our motivation,
because we want to do all things for the glory
of God.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I think it can have.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Some pitfalls for sure, Like you know, I don't know
that it's talking necessarily about physical strength, like I don't
have to practice and then I'm going to go off
and win the game. You know, I don't know. I'm
not sure what part of it is the pet peeve
of yours, like what specific context.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I wouldn't say that it's a pet peeve of mine.
It's just when that I have heard peevish by others, right,
And so if I were to put myself into the
brain of someone for whom this versus a pet peeve
when used in an athletic setting, it's no. God doesn't
promise that you're going to score that goal, and so
using this verse to claim that you can run a
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five minute mile, or using this to claim that you're
going to make the touchdown is not just a misuse
of scripture, but almost using scripture for selfish reasons. But
here's where I do have a pet peeve. My pet
peeve would be against people who believe that sports is
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so outside of the realm of what God cares for
that it's wrong to bring any aspect of it to
his attention. So, yes, there are lots of funny ways
to make light of and joke about people praying for
their sports team. If I'm watching the super Bowl and
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I have a team I really want to win, and
I'm praying, please help them make it. Please help them
make it, Please help them make it. A lot of
people are at the very least, and it kind of
just jovially laugh at me. Some will even say that
I am sinning by bringing God into a secular activity,
and let's go ahead and also say there's a segment
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that would say, well, yeah, whichever team has like the
most people praying for them, God's up there with the
tally marker, you know, almost like a.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Tug of war, a spiritual tug of war, a spiritual
tug of war, or you know, the ballot collectors after elections,
we're like, well, you know, the Packers had twelve hundred
people praying for them, but the Seahawks had twelve hundred
and two people praying for them.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So I guess the Seahawks are going to win this year.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Hit the smite button for the other team.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know. So I guess where I have a peeve
is when people are trying to maintain such a stance
of holiness that they don't allow God into sports and
they look down on people who do.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, And I mean this brings me to a verse.
So our middle kid has this on his helmet, and
I thought it was a cool verse. I almost made
it the verse of the day, but I didn't, but
I want to make it a you know, backup versus
the day. It is on Timothy four eight, and it says,
for physical training is of some value, but godliness has
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value for all things, holding promise for both the present
life and the life to come.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And I could see someone looking at this.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And saying, well, see, why are you even playing sports?
Like it's got some value, but why are you focused
so much on that instead of only only cultivating godliness?
And like for our son, it's kind of ironic At
first when I actually saw it, I was like, oh,
an interesting verse, and he's like, well, so much of
my life is hockey, and I just had need the
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reminder that there's more to life than hockey. And it's
an important reminder. But the other the reminder is you
can simultaneously cultivate godliness and a display godliness and you know,
be godly while playing sports and while training physically, while
interacting with people the way you conduct yourself. So I
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just think that one mistake can be doing an either
or You can either focus on sports, whether it's through
prayer or you know, or you could focus on godliness
and whatever you do, no matter what it is, do
it for God's glory. It doesn't matter whether you eat,
whether you drink, whether you sleep, whether you play sports,
whether you sing in the choir, you know, do it
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for God's glory. So I think the first step in
understanding prayer and the limits and the boundaries and the
good and the bad within sports is understanding that it's not.
Is taking a holistic look at what sports are and
realizing that if our motive is coming from a holistic place,
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you're always going to be a better place if you're
looking at the big picture of it, not just through
the lens of win or lose, or physical accomplishments or
Tally Marx or scoreboard as the litmus test of whether
your prayers were answered.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to sports and to
physical training. There's the discipline. If it's a team sport,
there's the companionship and the social interactions. There is a
benefits to pushing yourself just to learn that you can
do hard things. So I would hate for somebody to
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be so holy that they think anybody who cares it
all about sports is stupid or foolish or frivolous or
earthly minded. Can it go overboard? Absolutely. But one of
the things that made me so sad with is when
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my husband and I were doing youth ministry and we
had a group of teens who loved God. They were
so committed, and several of them were also very passionate
about sports, and we would see them feeling so guilty,
being like, I woke up at six to run during
running season, but I'm not waking up at five point
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thirty to read my Bible. Or if I enjoy sports,
then God's going to punish me because he doesn't want
me to love anything more than I love him. And
that's why I love that Colossian Street seventeen. I'm gonna
probably go out on a pretty thick glimb. I don't
think it's at stretch. It's probably our most quoted verse
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on this podcast. It's just whatever you do, do it
for the glory browd. And honestly, that's the message behind
Eric's Little's running in the movie Chariot's Fire and in
his real life. And that's what I loved so much
about it, and I want to talk to women specifically
because there are some aspects of sports that a lot
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of women might not get. I do not get why
my son and husband like to watch boxers boping each
other in the head. I can't understand that. And it
would be very easy for me to come up with
cherry picked Bible versus about violence and anger and say
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that anybody who watches or engages in this kind of
thing is sinful or earthly minded. But you know what,
it gives my husband and my son a chance to
spend time together. It somehow inspires my son in his
weightlifting journey and his fitness journey. I don't get it.
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But I also have to have the humility to recognize
there or some things that God didn't make my brain
to enjoy watching men get pummeled in the face. And
that's probably a good thing. And it's also probably a
good thing that my husband and my son aren't built
like me.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You know, Yeah, definitely, And I'm sure there are things
about you that they're like. I don't get that. Why
would she be interested in that? And it's okay, it's
totally fine.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, Like my husband kind of gets I think
maybe annoyed is an okay word to use. I feel
like he's annoyed. He's ever told me he's annoyed. But
when we watch our son play basketball and there's even
just a minor injury, I gasp. I do too, and
clutch my heart and hold my breath like I cannot breathe.
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And it doesn't matter if it's my son or his
teammate or someone on the other team. I can't not
go into mom mode. I mean, like, is this child okay?
Because these are still teenagers. It's is this teenager okay?
And my husband's like, this is what happens in basketball,
and for me, it's like, and this is what a
mom does. Mo.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well gasp yeah same here.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I do it with hockey too, And it doesn't matter
if it's our team the other team. I am. I
have that visceral response.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah yeah. And I don't think that you should be
little in yourself or let someone else be little in you,
because just like some people are drawn to enjoy watching
people beat each other up with hockey sticks, some people
are built to be very concerned if somebody gets an injury.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I thought maybe we could kind of break down the
categories of prayer for sports because and their overlaps in
all of these, but just kind of I just kind
of threw out a list of like four categories that
kind of encapsulate a lot of the different prayers for sports.
So you've got like the physical safety or protection from injury,
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so you've got that blanket, you know, which isn't compartmentalized
to sports. We can pray that for any thing, but
definitely in sports. There are prayers of emotional, you know,
for emotional strength, so whether it's regulation, self control, positivity,
freedom from debilitating anxiety. And then you've got spiritual like
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help them build character or be a witness on the bench,
or have spiritual resilience, fruit of the spirit. And there's
a lot of that overlap with other things too. And
then there's just the outcome, so for your team to
win or another team to lose, or for your kid
or the member of the team that you're rooting for
to score or shut the other team down or do
something cool. So I just feel like those are kind
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of for do can you think of other big categories
of prayer within sports that don't kind of fall under
those umbrellas.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think that absolutely encapsulates it. And I think if
we were going to look at each one of those
specifically and be like, should we pray for this? Like,
I can't imagine that any of our listeners are going
to be like, oh, it's simple to pray for somebody
to be safe from injury, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, so, yes, pray.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
For physical protection. However, don't make it so superstitious that like, Ooh,
I forgot to pray for my son before he went
to this game, and now he's gonna break his bone
and I'm gonna feel terribly guilty because God punished me
for failing to pray in this one's setting. So don't
make it a superstition. But absolutely pray for protection. Pray
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for mental stamina, especially as the mom of a runner,
like that is so important, Like running is probably ninety
five percent mental, right, and it's five percent just the
physical mechanics and conditioning, And it's just help him to
not give up, help him to get over all of
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the voices in his head that are telling him to
slow down or that kind of thing. And the carryover
is so powerful. I have seen in our children, specifically
our youngest. He's our most passionate athlete. When he has really,
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really focused, it does amazing things for his brain and
his discipline in every other area of his life. And
so yes, pray for that mental stamina, pray for the
social relationships. My dad became a Christian because another student
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on his cross country team witnessed to him. So like
I am the spiritual grandchild of a high school student
athlete who used their position, because my dad really looked
up to this runner. He was one of the best,
like in the district, maybe even the state, Like I know,
he was a really good runner and upper classman. My
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dad really looked up to him, and so that gave
him the natural ability to speak into my dad's life
and to witness to him. And then in return, my
dad taught me about the Lord, and in return, I'm
able to teach our children and to come in podcast
with you. So never underestimate the spiritual implications of being
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involved in sports.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But also don't make that the only goal.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
There were so many.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Other benefits negating some of the things, like we said
that seemed to be purely physical, that seemed to be
purely competition driven, because they're not converting someone. Because if
it weren't for that one guy being exceptional because of
pursuing physical things, because of pursuing the records, because of
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pushing himself and you know, training kind of like Paul
talks about physically, you know, in his metaphor spiritually, like
he wouldn't have had the position to be able to
influence your dad.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He would have just been another guy.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You know, maybe your dad wouldn't have taken note.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And in the same way, if he had made himself
an exceptional runner for the glory of God and never
had the chance to witness to my dad, he still
could have pleased God by his running ability. So I
also don't want to turn it into the only reason
why I'm allowed to be involved in this sport is
because it might open doors for witnessing.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's so important. Yes, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
They love something because God built you to love that thing,
you know, and if you're doing it for the glory
of God, he is pleased. So listener, homework, everybody, go
watch Chariots Appier. The actor there and the script there
says everything I'm trying to say so much better.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, I want to watch that this week now that
you've said that. Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Let's go to the fourth one, because the fourth one
is praying for the outcome, and okay, let's just be frank.
Have you prayed for your kid's team to win?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Of course yes, and I there are times when I
have felt guilty about it, thinking should I be praying this?
You know, there's this other team, but so yes, I've
prayed for them to win. So our most common prayer
for our kids is we call it Nana's three s's.
This is my husband's mom is Nana, and her prayer
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that she prays for all the grandkids is the three
SE's confidence, calmness, concentration, which falls into like the spiritual, emotional,
mostly emotional, and then obviously protection from injury, right, but
for praying for certain circumstances. Yes, I will pray that
the team would win, and I do what I find
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myself doing, though is kind of checking my motive, so
you know it is my motive. Sometimes I just want
my kid to look cool and like, screw the winning
goal and look awesome so I can be proud. I
don't know that God frowns on taking pride in our
kids accomplishments. I think he looks down and like you said.
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So John Piper in his book Desiring God, he talks
about this concept of Christian hedonism, which is, I think,
if I'm using the term right, kind of the opposite
of stoicism, where you would just basically stoicism is if
anything brings you pleasure, then it's got to be bad.
We need to cut off the things that cause us
pleasure in any way in order to become more holy.
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And what John Piper argues is that when that we
were built exactly what you said, if we were built
to love things and to pursue the things we love
and with you know, obviously boundaries, there are boundaries, but
inside of like operating with gifts that God has given us,
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I think He takes great pride in seeing his children
just doing what they were built to do, doing what
they've worked really hard to get good at, and doing
what they are doing for the same you know, And
so I think we can do the same. I think
it's okay for that. But at the same time, the
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litmus test for me is, am I okay? Do I
feel like God loves me less? When that kid totally
flops and lets in the winning goal for the other team.
Do I think that even though I've been praying my
hardest that he or she would would just you know,
do awesome and contribute well to their team, because that
feels like a safe prayer. Let her play her best,
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let him be a great teammate and be a lockdown
defenceman and not let any goals in. Do I feel
like God loves me less when my kid has the
worst game of his whole life and let's in the
losing you know, losing goal basically that tips it for
their team in the wrong direction. That has to be okay,
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and it has to be And so I kind of
judge my prayers after the fact, like I'll just take
God whatever I want, and I will kind of try
to keep myself in check, like, you know, with my motives,
Like is it because I sense that the person next
to me doesn't think my kid is very good and
I want to show them up? You know, I don't
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know if that's really a good motive, but if it
truly is just to see them do awesome at the
sport they love, I'm just going to throw it out
there and be like, let them win, Oh, please let
them score here, Please let them shut this guy down
in Christian love and and.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So yeah, that's kind of my mindset.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And one story though, is our oldest was probably the
worst player on his team when he was on like
his first couple years playing hockey, he was not super coordinated,
he was not scoring. He was a defenseman, and he
wasn't really doing a great job of defending. And at
bedtime every night, it'd be like, Okay, what do you
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want to pray for? And he would pray for like
a whole year. His prayer was, God, please let me
score a goal.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And I'm thinking, that's hard, that's come on.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
God, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And in my mind I found myself I think I
was being a little manipulative. I was like, just thank God,
if you answer this prayer, think of how much it's
going to build his faith in you. And that was
kind of like my unspoken like I think it was
my intention to God, like, come on, you know what
you got to do, buddy, You know you got to
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get this kid to have faith, because every time he
goes out and doesn't score a goal, you're whittling away
at his faith by not answering that prayer.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And come on, how easy would it be.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
To let him score a goal. It was a full
year I think before he scored that goal. And when
I it's fun because looking back, like he is now
at West Point, and there were so many essays that
he had to write to Congressman, to West Point itself,
like admissions, and like the majority of those letters had
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to do with him pushing through even when hockey was
really hard for him and when he wasn't good for years,
and if he hadn't had that, you know, maybe that
was I mean, I think there's a temptation to figure
out why God didn't answer the prayer like you wanted
it and say, well, it's because if he had been
successful early on, he wouldn't have had all these great
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stories to tell about pushing through that would have maybe
gotten him into West Point. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten in.
But the reality is we don't know, and we may
never know. But it has to be okay whatever God decides,
and it doesn't mean he's not listening or that he
doesn't care, or that he loves you less for giving
you the exact opposite of what you prayed for.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I think a really good takeaway for any praying woman,
whatever you're praying for, if you are passionately and fervently
praying for something, pray with your entire heart, and then
allow the outcome to fall where it falls, and worship
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God regardless. There's a verse from Job that I've been
thinking about quite a lot, and it's, you know, God
blessed Job. He was rich, he had a great family,
and then everything got taken away, and his wife tells
him just curse God and die, and he says, shall
we accept good from the Lord and not harm? And
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so the idea is, pray with all of your heart
and make a commitment that, even if the desires of
your heart are completely just squashed, that you will praise
God with the same love and joy and gratitude as
if he had answered that prayer, because He's the same
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God no matter what.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And what I find is typically in those situations I
don't want to do You don't have that overflow of
joy that just turns into praise, so you have to
work a little harder at it. But what I do
find is when I am able to do that, and
I'm not gonna lie, I sometimes I can't. Sometimes I'm
just like kind of not I can't. Sometimes sometimes I'm
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just not there, But when I make an effort and
I get to that place of going through the motions
of being thankful and grateful and recognizing that there's such
a depth of victory, like I feel like there is
because it transforms you, because it helps I don't know,
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giving thanks in hard things is and praising God and
hard things like I think not only for us as humans,
it transforms us and it empowers us in a way
that isn't the same as when it's just bubbling up
joy bubbling over into praise and they're both good. I'm
not saying one's bad or one's good, but I just
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there is a real depth to it and a real
satisfaction in being able to do that. And I just
also feel like it sticks it to the enemy extra
hard when you can overcome and basically the enemy is
trying to I'm certain the enemy is trying to get
a foothold, getting you to question God, getting you to
doubt God and be angry with God. And when you
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don't let him, and you override that easy way out
into complaining and frustration. Not to say that frustration is bad,
but when you can override that with praise, like I
don't know, I think something very a spiritual reality happens.
Something happens spiritually that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, if that should be close with our blessing and benediction.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
May the Lord open the eyes of your heart and
fill you with wisdom in the inmost places. May the Glory,
Yes Father, grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation,
so you may know Christ, who has become for us
wisdom from God. In the areas of your life in
need of guidance, may God grant you his wisdom in abundance,
so that you will not lean on your own insight,
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but rely on the full riches of complete understanding, which
are yours in abundance through Christ.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And our benediction is from Romans fifteen, verses five and six.
May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to
live in such harmony with one another in accord with
Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify
the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
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Amen.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello and welcome to the Praying Christian Woman Podcast. I
am Alana here with Jamie. How are you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm doing great? How are you? I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We are going to be talking today about sports, and
there is always a joke about, oh, I prayed for
my sports team to win. There are plenty of pastors
who make fun of people who pray for their sports
seems to win. There is also a huge experience of
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being a mother of an athlete or watching somebody play
a sport that you love and care about and you're
definitely praying for that person. So we're going to have
all of these discussions and more, and I'm really excited.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Our first of the day today is from Colossians three
twenty three from the NIV. It is whatever you do,
work at it with all of your heart, as working
for the Lord, not for human mess So obviously, no
matter what we do, whether it's sports or things that
seem more spiritual, it's all for God. And I think
that's a great segue into the conversation because I think
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some of us feel guilty for praying for sports, or
even for praying for elements of sports that don't feel spiritual,
like oh, yeah. I can pray for my kid to
witness to his team, but I can't pray for my
kid to score a goal, you know, and that's a
lesser prayer. So I think it'll be interesting to kind
of get into is it or what?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What is yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Whether you play sports, whether you watch sports, whether you
have any loved ones or children or grandchildren who play sports.
I think there's going to be some good information here
for you. I'm changing up are just for fun from
what I was going to do. How about this for
just for fun question? Do you have a favorite sports movie?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I would say one of my favorites sports movies is Miracle.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's like Miracle on Ice.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's the Disney movie that's about the nineteen eighty US
Olympic hockey team and how it's during the Cold It
takes place during the Cold War where there's just like
high tensions between the US and the Soviet Union, and
the Soviets have dominated the sport for decades and the
US comes in with literally no chance. In fact, they
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play a game just before the big Olympic game and
they get creamed. And so it's about their you know,
it's an underdog story.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's cool.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Is it a real story?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Oh yeah, it's true. Cool, Yeah, it's completely true.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's yeah about the nineteen eighty US Mensal Olympic hockey team.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So yeah, what about you.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I think up until last year, I probably would have
said the Cool Runnings, Yeah, they're so cute, the Jamaican
Bother Olympic undernog Yeah, and just very feel good, happy inspiring.
There are quite a few sports movies that I don't
dislike it all. But actually I think my favorite sports movie,
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at least at this exact stage of my life, is
Chariots a Fire.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I was going to guess that because we've had a
conversation recently about that and that, Yeah, that came to
mind as well.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That is such a good movie.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah. I rewatched it with our son, who's a runner.
I've got a lot of runners in my family. There's
also a There were just a lot of close connections.
The missionary runner, Eric Little that it's about, grew up
on the mission field at the same time my grandma
would have been there, and so lots of neat stuff there.
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I know we did an episode on Christian True Crime Junkies,
and I think we might have put that episode on
the Praying Christian Woman feed. But if you didn't grab
that one yet, we have a whole episode about Eric
Little and the man in Chariot's a fire But what
happened to him afterwards is where the true crime side
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and the missionary side comes from. But yeah, I would
say at least at this point, that's my book. Cool
Runnings is just so happy it's hard not to get
like super teary it is.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Another good one is Mystery Alaska. Another hockey movie and
I think it's Disney also, but it's about Mystery Alaska. Yeah,
so it's got the Alaska and it's got the hockey theme.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah. I like that one too. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, where do you want to Actually, I know where
I want to start our conversation. I want to start
our conversation with a pet peeve that I have heard
lots of Christians talk about, and that is using Philippians
four thirteen in a sports setting. So Philippians four thirteen
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is I can do all things through Christ. It gives
me strength. You see it a lot Like I know
there was some boxer or wrestler who had it like
on his like the waistline of his shorts. I'm sure
it's a common tat it's a common verse for athletes,
but I have heard Christians get very puritanical, and not
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necessarily in a bad way. I want to know your
opinion saying this verse is specifically about living in plenty
or living in once. This verse is about being content.
This verse was written by Paul, who was not an
Olympic gold medalist. So the question is is it wrong
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to use that verse to motivate yourself if you're an athlete.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I feel like if you can do all things through Christ,
who gives you strength, then I mean, can I fly
without help? No, Jesus is probably not going to give
me sprouted wings so I can fly off. So I
don't think you should claim it like, oh, I can
score a goal, or I can make the varsity team
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because Christ gives me strength and it's a guarantee.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
But I can persevere.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Beyond what I think are in my own limitations, in
I think, in any circumstance, because Christ is our motivation,
because we want to do all things for the glory
of God.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I think it can have.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Some pitfalls for sure, Like you know, I don't know
that it's talking necessarily about physical strength, like I don't
have to practice and then I'm going to go off
and win the game. You know, I don't know. I'm
not sure what part of it is the pet peeve
of yours, like what specific context.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I wouldn't say that it's a pet peeve of mine.
It's just when that I have heard peevish by others, right,
And so if I were to put myself into the
brain of someone for whom this versus a pet peeve
when used in an athletic setting, it's no. God doesn't
promise that you're going to score that goal, and so
using this verse to claim that you can run a
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five minute mile, or using this to claim that you're
going to make the touchdown is not just a misuse
of scripture, but almost using scripture for selfish reasons. But
here's where I do have a pet peeve. My pet
peeve would be against people who believe that sports is
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so outside of the realm of what God cares for
that it's wrong to bring any aspect of it to
his attention. So, yes, there are lots of funny ways
to make light of and joke about people praying for
their sports team. If I'm watching the super Bowl and
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I have a team I really want to win, and
I'm praying, please help them make it. Please help them
make it, Please help them make it. A lot of
people are at the very least, and it kind of
just jovially laugh at me. Some will even say that
I am sinning by bringing God into a secular activity,
and let's go ahead and also say there's a segment
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that would say, well, yeah, whichever team has like the
most people praying for them, God's up there with the
tally marker, you know, almost like a.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Tug of war, a spiritual tug of war, a spiritual
tug of war, or you know, the ballot collectors after elections,
we're like, well, you know, the Packers had twelve hundred
people praying for them, but the Seahawks had twelve hundred
and two people praying for them.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So I guess the Seahawks are going to win this year.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Hit the smite button for the other team.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
You know. So I guess where I have a peeve
is when people are trying to maintain such a stance
of holiness that they don't allow God into sports and
they look down on people who do.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, And I mean this brings me to a verse.
So our middle kid has this on his helmet, and
I thought it was a cool verse. I almost made
it the verse of the day, but I didn't, but
I want to make it a you know, backup versus
the day. It is on Timothy four eight, and it says,
for physical training is of some value, but godliness has
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value for all things, holding promise for both the present
life and the life to come.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And I could see someone looking at this.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And saying, well, see, why are you even playing sports?
Like it's got some value, but why are you focused
so much on that instead of only only cultivating godliness?
And like for our son, it's kind of ironic At
first when I actually saw it, I was like, oh,
an interesting verse, and he's like, well, so much of
my life is hockey, and I just had need the
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reminder that there's more to life than hockey. And it's
an important reminder. But the other the reminder is you
can simultaneously cultivate godliness and a display godliness and you know,
be godly while playing sports and while training physically, while
interacting with people the way you conduct yourself. So I
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just think that one mistake can be doing an either
or You can either focus on sports, whether it's through
prayer or you know, or you could focus on godliness
and whatever you do, no matter what it is, do
it for God's glory. It doesn't matter whether you eat,
whether you drink, whether you sleep, whether you play sports,
whether you sing in the choir, you know, do it
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for God's glory. So I think the first step in
understanding prayer and the limits and the boundaries and the
good and the bad within sports is understanding that it's not.
Is taking a holistic look at what sports are and
realizing that if our motive is coming from a holistic place,
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you're always going to be a better place if you're
looking at the big picture of it, not just through
the lens of win or lose, or physical accomplishments or
Tally Marx or scoreboard as the litmus test of whether
your prayers were answered.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to sports and to
physical training. There's the discipline. If it's a team sport,
there's the companionship and the social interactions. There is a
benefits to pushing yourself just to learn that you can
do hard things. So I would hate for somebody to
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be so holy that they think anybody who cares it
all about sports is stupid or foolish or frivolous or
earthly minded. Can it go overboard? Absolutely. But one of
the things that made me so sad with is when
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my husband and I were doing youth ministry and we
had a group of teens who loved God. They were
so committed, and several of them were also very passionate
about sports, and we would see them feeling so guilty,
being like, I woke up at six to run during
running season, but I'm not waking up at five point
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thirty to read my Bible. Or if I enjoy sports,
then God's going to punish me because he doesn't want
me to love anything more than I love him. And
that's why I love that Colossian Street seventeen. I'm gonna
probably go out on a pretty thick glimb. I don't
think it's at stretch. It's probably our most quoted verse
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on this podcast. It's just whatever you do, do it
for the glory browd. And honestly, that's the message behind
Eric's Little's running in the movie Chariot's Fire and in
his real life. And that's what I loved so much
about it, and I want to talk to women specifically
because there are some aspects of sports that a lot
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of women might not get. I do not get why
my son and husband like to watch boxers boping each
other in the head. I can't understand that. And it
would be very easy for me to come up with
cherry picked Bible versus about violence and anger and say
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that anybody who watches or engages in this kind of
thing is sinful or earthly minded. But you know what,
it gives my husband and my son a chance to
spend time together. It somehow inspires my son in his
weightlifting journey and his fitness journey. I don't get it.
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But I also have to have the humility to recognize
there or some things that God didn't make my brain
to enjoy watching men get pummeled in the face. And
that's probably a good thing. And it's also probably a
good thing that my husband and my son aren't built
like me.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
You know, Yeah, definitely, And I'm sure there are things
about you that they're like. I don't get that. Why
would she be interested in that? And it's okay, it's
totally fine.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, Like my husband kind of gets I think
maybe annoyed is an okay word to use. I feel
like he's annoyed. He's ever told me he's annoyed. But
when we watch our son play basketball and there's even
just a minor injury, I gasp. I do too, and
clutch my heart and hold my breath like I cannot breathe.
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And it doesn't matter if it's my son or his
teammate or someone on the other team. I can't not
go into mom mode. I mean, like, is this child okay?
Because these are still teenagers. It's is this teenager okay?
And my husband's like, this is what happens in basketball,
and for me, it's like, and this is what a
mom does. Mo.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Well gasp yeah same here.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I do it with hockey too, And it doesn't matter
if it's our team the other team. I am. I
have that visceral response.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah yeah. And I don't think that you should be
little in yourself or let someone else be little in you,
because just like some people are drawn to enjoy watching
people beat each other up with hockey sticks, some people
are built to be very concerned if somebody gets an injury.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I thought maybe we could kind of break down the
categories of prayer for sports because and their overlaps in
all of these, but just kind of I just kind
of threw out a list of like four categories that
kind of encapsulate a lot of the different prayers for sports.
So you've got like the physical safety or protection from injury,
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so you've got that blanket, you know, which isn't compartmentalized
to sports. We can pray that for any thing, but
definitely in sports. There are prayers of emotional, you know,
for emotional strength, so whether it's regulation, self control, positivity,
freedom from debilitating anxiety. And then you've got spiritual like
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help them build character or be a witness on the bench,
or have spiritual resilience, fruit of the spirit. And there's
a lot of that overlap with other things too. And
then there's just the outcome, so for your team to
win or another team to lose, or for your kid
or the member of the team that you're rooting for
to score or shut the other team down or do
something cool. So I just feel like those are kind
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of for do can you think of other big categories
of prayer within sports that don't kind of fall under
those umbrellas.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think that absolutely encapsulates it. And I think if
we were going to look at each one of those
specifically and be like, should we pray for this? Like,
I can't imagine that any of our listeners are going
to be like, oh, it's simple to pray for somebody
to be safe from injury, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, so, yes, pray.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
For physical protection. However, don't make it so superstitious that like, Ooh,
I forgot to pray for my son before he went
to this game, and now he's gonna break his bone
and I'm gonna feel terribly guilty because God punished me
for failing to pray in this one's setting. So don't
make it a superstition. But absolutely pray for protection. Pray
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for mental stamina, especially as the mom of a runner,
like that is so important, Like running is probably ninety
five percent mental, right, and it's five percent just the
physical mechanics and conditioning, And it's just help him to
not give up, help him to get over all of
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the voices in his head that are telling him to
slow down or that kind of thing. And the carryover
is so powerful. I have seen in our children, specifically
our youngest. He's our most passionate athlete. When he has really,
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really focused, it does amazing things for his brain and
his discipline in every other area of his life. And
so yes, pray for that mental stamina, pray for the
social relationships. My dad became a Christian because another student
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on his cross country team witnessed to him. So like
I am the spiritual grandchild of a high school student
athlete who used their position, because my dad really looked
up to this runner. He was one of the best,
like in the district, maybe even the state, Like I know,
he was a really good runner and upper classman. My
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dad really looked up to him, and so that gave
him the natural ability to speak into my dad's life
and to witness to him. And then in return, my
dad taught me about the Lord, and in return, I'm
able to teach our children and to come in podcast
with you. So never underestimate the spiritual implications of being
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involved in sports.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But also don't make that the only goal.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
There were so many.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Other benefits negating some of the things, like we said
that seemed to be purely physical, that seemed to be
purely competition driven, because they're not converting someone. Because if
it weren't for that one guy being exceptional because of
pursuing physical things, because of pursuing the records, because of
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pushing himself and you know, training kind of like Paul
talks about physically, you know, in his metaphor spiritually, like
he wouldn't have had the position to be able to
influence your dad.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
He would have just been another guy.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
You know, maybe your dad wouldn't have taken note.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
And in the same way, if he had made himself
an exceptional runner for the glory of God and never
had the chance to witness to my dad, he still
could have pleased God by his running ability. So I
also don't want to turn it into the only reason
why I'm allowed to be involved in this sport is
because it might open doors for witnessing.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's so important. Yes, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
They love something because God built you to love that thing,
you know, and if you're doing it for the glory
of God, he is pleased. So listener, homework, everybody, go
watch Chariots Appier. The actor there and the script there
says everything I'm trying to say so much better.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, I want to watch that this week now that
you've said that. Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Let's go to the fourth one, because the fourth one
is praying for the outcome, and okay, let's just be frank.
Have you prayed for your kid's team to win?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Of course yes, and I there are times when I
have felt guilty about it, thinking should I be praying this?
You know, there's this other team, but so yes, I've
prayed for them to win. So our most common prayer
for our kids is we call it Nana's three s's.
This is my husband's mom is Nana, and her prayer
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that she prays for all the grandkids is the three
SE's confidence, calmness, concentration, which falls into like the spiritual, emotional,
mostly emotional, and then obviously protection from injury, right, but
for praying for certain circumstances. Yes, I will pray that
the team would win, and I do what I find
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myself doing, though is kind of checking my motive, so
you know it is my motive. Sometimes I just want
my kid to look cool and like, screw the winning
goal and look awesome so I can be proud. I
don't know that God frowns on taking pride in our
kids accomplishments. I think he looks down and like you said.
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So John Piper in his book Desiring God, he talks
about this concept of Christian hedonism, which is, I think,
if I'm using the term right, kind of the opposite
of stoicism, where you would just basically stoicism is if
anything brings you pleasure, then it's got to be bad.
We need to cut off the things that cause us
pleasure in any way in order to become more holy.
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And what John Piper argues is that when that we
were built exactly what you said, if we were built
to love things and to pursue the things we love
and with you know, obviously boundaries, there are boundaries, but
inside of like operating with gifts that God has given us,
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I think He takes great pride in seeing his children
just doing what they were built to do, doing what
they've worked really hard to get good at, and doing
what they are doing for the same you know, And
so I think we can do the same. I think
it's okay for that. But at the same time, the
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litmus test for me is, am I okay? Do I
feel like God loves me less? When that kid totally
flops and lets in the winning goal for the other team.
Do I think that even though I've been praying my
hardest that he or she would would just you know,
do awesome and contribute well to their team, because that
feels like a safe prayer. Let her play her best,
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let him be a great teammate and be a lockdown
defenceman and not let any goals in. Do I feel
like God loves me less when my kid has the
worst game of his whole life and let's in the
losing you know, losing goal basically that tips it for
their team in the wrong direction. That has to be okay,
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and it has to be And so I kind of
judge my prayers after the fact, like I'll just take
God whatever I want, and I will kind of try
to keep myself in check, like, you know, with my motives,
Like is it because I sense that the person next
to me doesn't think my kid is very good and
I want to show them up? You know, I don't
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know if that's really a good motive, but if it
truly is just to see them do awesome at the
sport they love, I'm just going to throw it out
there and be like, let them win, Oh, please let
them score here, Please let them shut this guy down
in Christian love and and.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
So yeah, that's kind of my mindset.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And one story though, is our oldest was probably the
worst player on his team when he was on like
his first couple years playing hockey, he was not super coordinated,
he was not scoring. He was a defenseman, and he
wasn't really doing a great job of defending. And at
bedtime every night, it'd be like, Okay, what do you
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want to pray for? And he would pray for like
a whole year. His prayer was, God, please let me
score a goal.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And I'm thinking, that's hard, that's come on.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
God, come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And in my mind I found myself I think I
was being a little manipulative. I was like, just thank God,
if you answer this prayer, think of how much it's
going to build his faith in you. And that was
kind of like my unspoken like I think it was
my intention to God, like, come on, you know what
you got to do, buddy, You know you got to
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get this kid to have faith, because every time he
goes out and doesn't score a goal, you're whittling away
at his faith by not answering that prayer.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
And come on, how easy would it be.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
To let him score a goal. It was a full
year I think before he scored that goal. And when
I it's fun because looking back, like he is now
at West Point, and there were so many essays that
he had to write to Congressman, to West Point itself,
like admissions, and like the majority of those letters had
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to do with him pushing through even when hockey was
really hard for him and when he wasn't good for years,
and if he hadn't had that, you know, maybe that
was I mean, I think there's a temptation to figure
out why God didn't answer the prayer like you wanted
it and say, well, it's because if he had been
successful early on, he wouldn't have had all these great
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stories to tell about pushing through that would have maybe
gotten him into West Point. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten in.
But the reality is we don't know, and we may
never know. But it has to be okay whatever God decides,
and it doesn't mean he's not listening or that he
doesn't care, or that he loves you less for giving
you the exact opposite of what you prayed for.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I think a really good takeaway for any praying woman,
whatever you're praying for, if you are passionately and fervently
praying for something, pray with your entire heart, and then
allow the outcome to fall where it falls, and worship
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God regardless. There's a verse from Job that I've been
thinking about quite a lot, and it's, you know, God
blessed Job. He was rich, he had a great family,
and then everything got taken away, and his wife tells
him just curse God and die, and he says, shall
we accept good from the Lord and not harm? And
(27:36):
so the idea is, pray with all of your heart
and make a commitment that, even if the desires of
your heart are completely just squashed, that you will praise
God with the same love and joy and gratitude as
if he had answered that prayer, because He's the same
(27:58):
God no matter what.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And what I find is typically in those situations I
don't want to do You don't have that overflow of
joy that just turns into praise, so you have to
work a little harder at it. But what I do
find is when I am able to do that, and
I'm not gonna lie, I sometimes I can't. Sometimes I'm
just like kind of not I can't. Sometimes sometimes I'm
(28:21):
just not there, But when I make an effort and
I get to that place of going through the motions
of being thankful and grateful and recognizing that there's such
a depth of victory, like I feel like there is
because it transforms you, because it helps I don't know,
(28:43):
giving thanks in hard things is and praising God and
hard things like I think not only for us as humans,
it transforms us and it empowers us in a way
that isn't the same as when it's just bubbling up
joy bubbling over into praise and they're both good. I'm
not saying one's bad or one's good, but I just
(29:04):
there is a real depth to it and a real
satisfaction in being able to do that. And I just
also feel like it sticks it to the enemy extra
hard when you can overcome and basically the enemy is
trying to I'm certain the enemy is trying to get
a foothold, getting you to question God, getting you to
doubt God and be angry with God. And when you
(29:26):
don't let him, and you override that easy way out
into complaining and frustration. Not to say that frustration is bad,
but when you can override that with praise, like I
don't know, I think something very a spiritual reality happens.
Something happens spiritually that is amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well, if that should be close with our blessing and benediction.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
May the Lord open the eyes of your heart and
fill you with wisdom in the inmost places. May the Glory,
Yes Father, grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation,
so you may know Christ, who has become for us
wisdom from God. In the areas of your life in
need of guidance, may God grant you his wisdom in abundance,
so that you will not lean on your own insight,
(30:14):
but rely on the full riches of complete understanding, which
are yours in abundance through Christ.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And our benediction is from Romans fifteen, verses five and six.
May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to
live in such harmony with one another in accord with
Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify
the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
We'd like to take just a quick second to thank
the team at life Audio for their partnership with us
on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
If you go to lifeaudio dot.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Com, you will find dozens of other faith centered podcasts
in their network. They've got shows about prayer, Bible study, parenting,
and so much more.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
That's lifeaudio dot com no
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