November 23, 2025 • 47 mins
We're talking about daily uses for tarot in this week's episode with tarot expert Beth Owl's Daughter. From a daily card pull to meditating with tarot and using tarot in your grids and altars. Plus a listerner suggests a great idea for using tarot for new year goals.
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To learn more about Beth and her work, please go to owlsdaughter.com
To check out her winter soltice group, click here
Thanks for listening!
If you enjoy the show, please tell a friend, subscribe, rate and leave us a kind review.
Don't forget to join our community on Facebook by searching Psychic Teachers.
If you have a question or story to share with us, send us an email at psychicteachers@gmail.com.
For more information on us, check out our websites: debbowen.com and samanthafey.com.
You can also find Samantha on Instagram @samanthaofey.
You can find our eCourses on crystals, tarot, manifesting and moon magic. Plus we both offer wonderful guided meditations and you can find signed copies of our books.
Be sure to check out Samantha’s other podcast Enlightened Empaths.
Have a great week. Be the Light!
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Fay,
and I'm Dead Bowie and we are so happy, honored
and thrilled to welcome Beth Owl's daughter back to our show.
We had you on just a couple of months ago,
but the response was so overwhelming talking about tourou that
we thought we have to have you back on. So
welcome Beth.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you so much. I'm really thrilled to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh, we're thrilled to talk to you once again. We had,
Samantha said, so many folks who wanted to know more
about you and your work and ideas you have about
not just to Roe, but kind of being in the
world and a lot of stuff. So here we goes.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
When we had corresponded about having you back on, we
thought we'd like to at least start, who knows where
the conversation will take us, at least start talking about
how we can incorporate to Row into our daily life
for our own inner spiritual reflection and journey. So I
had asked you, Beth, if you could come on the
show and talk about how do you use to ROW
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in that way and how can our listeners use to
row to really enhance their meditations.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, one of my favorite things to do with it,
and for my clients and also for my students, we
get a lot of information and a lot of interest
in working with the birth cards. I just love the
birth cards of the Toureau. I ran across that in
Mary Greer's work a million years ago, and she and
(01:44):
angelus Arian had Angie had really come up with the idea,
and then Mary ran off with it. And of course
the amber Stones also work with the birth cards a lot.
I don't use their particular way of calculate the birth cards.
It's similar but a little different. But I started working
(02:05):
with Mary's and it's really very simple. You just take
the day of your birth, the month of your birth,
the year of your birth, and you add it in
like a column, and then you reduce that to a
single digit number. There's a whole other aspect where you
do two digits and if it's in the major arcana,
(02:26):
et cetera. But the really easy way to do it
is to get your soul card, which is the single
digit number it reduces to. So for instance, if I
add up my birthday it comes to nineteen, well nineteen,
you get you reduce that to one plus nine equals ten. Oh,
(02:46):
that's the wheel of fortune. And nineteen, of course is
the Sun card. But you keep going, so you get
a one digit number. So my soul card is the Magician.
And so we have people like Barack Obama reduces to
the High Priestess. He's a two. Hillary Clinton reduces to three.
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She's an empress. Surprise, surprise. Donald Trump reduces to a four.
He's an emperor, and so forth. So it's really a
wonderful way to connect with the Toureau for life. I mean,
this is your birthday, and it's sort of like your
son's sign in astrology. It's a little bit similar to
(03:30):
that in that there's other nuance to it, like there
would be an astrology with your full chart and so forth.
It basically reveals what you're here in this life to
really work on. It's who you are at a core level,
your gifts, your foibles, and your mission really and life
(03:53):
is to unfold and to become an embodiment of what
this card offers.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
My number reduces to a seven, so it's the Chariot.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
However, I also wonder how about the sevens of each
of the minor or kind of suits.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yep, Yeah, they do come into play because they are
all related back to the majors. But with the birth cards,
that's one of the nuanced aspects that you can work with.
But if you just want to keep it really simple,
the soul card gives you tons and tons of information
to work with and I love to use it as
(04:33):
a tool for meditation and reflection all the time. It's like, so,
what would a magician do in this situation? What would
the lovers if that's who you are, what the lovers
be about? If you're trying to make this decision, especially
about people, there's your lover's energy. I also love that
(04:55):
I will have to admit the birth cards and the
soul card or kind of the gateway drug to the
touro because it's so easy for non to row people
to connect to that one thing, and if that's all
they want to do forever, great, But it opens out
(05:18):
more questions like what are my children, what is my spouse?
What was that teacher in third grade? And so forth?
You know, it's almost like a spirit guide for you
throughout your life. And once you have that, you can
use that as meditation. You can use it to reflect.
(05:38):
One really fun thing is to look at that card
across decks. If I have a deck that I'm considering
and I hate the magician in it, it's out, you know,
or the Sun card or the wheel of fortune, because
those are other parts of my birth card constellation. As
Mary calls that, I call it your Tarot profile, and
(06:00):
so you do have this combination. But that's a whole
other We could I teach a whole class on this,
so we're not gonna, you know, spend a lot of
time with that. But the easy thing is the soul cards.
The other thing that my students and clients have found
helpful is for a I love this subject. What I
(06:22):
hit on this back in the nineties, sometime I just
went crazy and I started a birthday club and that's
how I did a lot of my own personal research
about how is this really working for people and getting
feedback from people and it's just marvelous. So one thing
I did for my birthday club people is I created
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an herbal packet and I picked a crystal to go
with their birth card, and so I have those available
if anybody's interested in meditation to really have little, you know,
potpourri if you of your empress herbs and to use
(07:05):
that for meditation, to hold the crystal, to really go
into that card and see what is around you. How
does it help you? Does it reflect back for you
where you are in your life right now? And what
gifts does it offer? What challenges does it offer for you?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I absolutely love that idea. Now, what about if you
wanted to use to Row for journaling or insights into
some of the mind chatter that goes on in our head?
Would that just be like policarid each day and write
about it or would it be something different for you?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I encourage my students to do that. I think it's
the best way to learn that to Row and not
even necessarily to have a question if you're brand new,
but the overarching question maybe what do I need to
pay at time mention to today? And I encourage people
to try to carve out a little bit of time
(08:06):
in the morning and write it down and then be
on the lookout for it throughout your day. How might
circumstances today answer that question? How might this card say,
the Seven of Swords act not everybody's favorite, but how
is that presenting perhaps in my day to day, and
(08:30):
then later in the day when you get home or
before bed, reflect on that and spend a little time
in meditation. Where did I possibly see that card or
the messages in that card come up during my day?
Maybe not at all, and that's okay, write that down.
Just the faithfulness of journaling over time will show you
(08:56):
so many things. First of all, will show you that
sometimes the don't answer you like you know, spit it
out and here it is. It's something that takes time
to really come together. Number two, sometimes you're not really
meant to know what that card means just yet, but
over time you will. You'll begin to see patterns and
(09:17):
the real gift of journaling, and my experience is over
time you develop a personal rapport with those cards so
that you don't need a book. The books are important.
Learn what it means. Don't make it up by the
seat of your pants. Please you know on no.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
No never never never. I hate that when people encourage
that note. But yes, your intuition, you can't just click
it off. It's going to be working. But over time,
as you journal, you'll begin to see, Oh, when the
King of Wands comes up, I know that in my
life it means da da da, it means I'm going
(10:04):
to get a phone call from an ex boyfriend I've
been trying to get rid of. You'll begin to see
very intimate and personal meanings that belong to you and
you alone. It's like dreams dream journaling. You can read
about what things mean in dreams all day long, but
your dreams are going to be very idiosyncratic to you,
(10:28):
and so what they really mean and how you interpret
them in your own life is going to be probably
not at odds with a lot of the book knowledge,
but it's going to be so much more powerful because
it's you. This is you talking to yourself, this is
whatever the tureau is talking to you very personally.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I love what you said, I love those suggestions. I
offer similar things to my students. One of the things
that I also incorporate, and I bet you do too,
is if you're going to spend two or three days
focusing on one key, for example, then really pick it apart,
really look at all the symbology. Pixie drew nothing by accident. Well,
(11:17):
I say that I'm not still not sure about those
two shoes, But other than that, she really didn't have
any randomness in those cards, there was a reason for
everything there. What do each of those symbols mean to
you as you're meditating autumn and beginning to look within yourself,
what do they mean and what are they about for you?
(11:38):
And particularly if you see re occurring themes over a
few for example, if a bunch of pyramids show up
one after another, then what's that about for you? So
to pay attention to connection among the symbols in the
keys as.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, oh well one hundred percent. And also I like
to encourage people to notice other patterns that might be happening,
like do things seem different when there's a full moon?
Do things seem different when the weather changes or seasonally?
You know, notice how all of that works. It ain't random,
(12:21):
but it really is not random. And as I say,
the more you can document this and meditate on it
and really, like you're saying, did dive into the symbology
of it? And what does that mean to you? I
have a very dear friend who is petrified of spiders.
(12:42):
Now I can't really think of any to row cars
that have spiders in them, and she's probably very grateful
for that. But in some deck there might be a
spider and a car came up for her. It would
have a completely different impact for her than it would
for somebody that is a big fan of you know, Ariad.
(13:04):
What's her name, erac Mee Arachne, thank you obviously, yes, Aracne.
And that would be welcome for one person and horrible
for another, and it'd be a completely different message.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Absolutely, And I know you do this too. That's why
we encourage folks not to study to Row in a vacuum,
but to study it with in terms of cultures and
mythologies and all of that is enhances our connection and
our understanding and the richness of to Row force and
your idea of journaling. Journaling longhand with a piece of
(13:38):
paper and a pen. Yeah, and we're those because you're
hand remembers.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh that's so important. I'm so glad you said that. Absolutely,
because by writing long hand, you are eliminating screens, you're
eliminating technological glitches, you're eliminating the temptation to be pulled
one way or another. And from the mind to your
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hand is an ancient connection. It's very powerful and that's
the best way I think to really be in touch
with your own spirit. Otherwise you have this middleman, if
you will, that can really interfere with how you are
perceiving things.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Absolutely, our mine works very differently with words flowing across
a computer screen than they do coming out of it.
And in fact, I collect fountain pins. I write an
old fashion pins.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh I'm jealous. That is so cool. My only problem
is on left handed, and so when I do that,
I think everywhere.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Is to me too.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, but they're still so cool.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
One of our listeners had written in a really interesting
question to ask as you and she said that every
year she tries to come up with a word that
she wants to manifest throughout the new year, that she
wants to embody her life experiences. Deb and I have
talked about that a lot on the show You Know,
Choose your Word of the Year, And she asked, can
we use to row to help us choose the word
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of the year? And I thought, what a great question.
I had never considered using to row to help you
with that.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I confess I had not either. Samantha and we do
a whole episode in December where we talk about the
whole process and the whole reason about doing this word thing.
And you would think that two preaders would have thought this,
but nope, we didn't. So we're asking.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You you think three would have. I haven't thought of
that either, and I just think it's wonderful. I can't
wait to try it. It requires a certain amount of well,
no scratch that, I don't think. I was going to
say it requires a certain amount of knowledge of the cards,
but no, it doesn't. Really. Now, this is one place
(16:04):
where flying by the seat of your pants and looking
at a card I think could work. It's like the
trick of Tero. The big secret that is no secret
at all is you learn to read the teruo by
looking at it. You look at the card, and so
a baby, brand new beginner can look at the three
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asswords and what do you see? And what word pops out?
So if you were willing to just trust the cards
and shuffle and pull a card and see what it
has to say to you, I would hope that your
card would not be the three Assorts, but there would
be something in there I'm sure that would inform you
(16:52):
that you would see a word maybe with that card.
Maybe it doesn't have to be the very first word
that comes to mine. Maybe it isn't the most obvious thing.
Give it some time, meditate on that before you say, oh,
this is it. I think you'll know in your body.
You'll know in your intuition this is my word, you know,
(17:15):
And especially if you go into the reading with that question,
show me what the word for the coming year for
me is going to be about. Okay, wait, I can't
wait to try it with me too.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
But I'm thinking about myself trying this, and I'm thinking
if I did that and I got the three of swords, intellectually,
I would go in one direction, which would be, oh, Samantha,
your guys are trying to tell you that your year
is about being healed and whole. And what's that Japanese
word where they put the gold paint?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yo?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It begins with a K, and I can't Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I would think, oh, okay, that's going to be my word,
But heart wise I'd be like, oh shit, why did
I pull back hard?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So I'm asking, I guess all of us, since none
of us have done this, would we just use the
major arcond of card? Or But then what if I
got the Devil of the Death card? That would send
me in a tizzy? Too, So would we pull out
the cards that scare us. But then that's not the
whole No, that's cheaty, that's cheaty. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Bring up exactly where I wanted to go here. It's
Samantha with that surface or no or surface knowledge. And
cannot tell you how many times over the years somebody
has come in to see me for a reading and
the first words out of their mouth were, I hope
I don't get the death card. No, my response is
always I hope you do, because it gives me an
(18:42):
opportunity to teach sure blame. And folks are fearful, they're
really scared of the devil in the tower garden, all
those scary cards you talking about, Samantha. And so it's
that importance of digging deeper that helps us to see
the word. And I know that sometimes that word changes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I remember, and.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I've told this story on the show before. I walk
a labyrinth on New Year's Eve at a beautiful Episcopal church.
And some years ago I walked into that labyrinth real
with a lot of clarity of what my word for
the year was going to be. And by the time
I wound my way into the center and sat to meditate. Nope,
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this is not your word, girlfriends, you have got this
all wrong. Here's the words you're gonna go with.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And it was as clear as a bell. And I
trusted that, you know, just as I were doing this
exercise that we're talking about here, I would trust what
came up because I trust to row. Would I trust
my interpretation of it or try to anticipate how that
word might morph and change and grow during the course
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of the year, I might be dead wrong by the
time of year's over.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I agree. I I think, why not? If the word
is problematic or your visceral emotional reaction is like, oh no,
then do a reading. Tell me more, give me some
more information. What am I not understanding? Is there any
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way that I can turn this into a positive experience,
what kind of help and support is coming from the
spirit world for me? And really turn it into a
full reading? And I would build a spread around it
with that as the center card. So that might be something.
It's still going to be your word and what you
(20:39):
got out of it, but with a reading, perhaps you
would get a little bit more illumination about it. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1 (22:17):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking with Beth Owl's daughter about
using to Row for our personal meditative and journaling practices.
I do like the idea of consulting the Touro to
choose the word of the year, and I challenge all
three of us to try it and see what we
come up with.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, I will. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It led me to another question because I was thinking, well,
seek that, just grab your Touro deck and let's see.
I think there needs to be a more sacred approach
when you're using to Row for those big questions, rather
than me reaching into my desk and grabbing my deck
and shuffling and pulling a.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Card for us.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know, do you agree that it has to
be that reverence or I don't even know if that's
the right word.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Absolutely, it is. It is a sacred act to pull
those cars out and to ask for that guidance to it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I agree. I mean I see the Toureau as actually
in a kind of an animistic way. If you call
the directions, or you pray to Archangel Michael or something,
you know, you got to remember they answer, this is
not just all happening in your ego in your head
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and you're making stuff up, there is a response that
comes back, and so when you pull out your cars,
it's just just a quickie check in. Okay maybe, but
for a big question that has a year long implication
for you, it's a very respectful conversation that has to happen.
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And I think stepping out of your day to day
busyness and creating some kind of sacred space through stilling yourself,
letting go of all the busy before and after and
making this a time out of time. I think that
is desperately important. And I think it's a missing ingredient
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and a lot of the more shallow use of to
row that I have seen kind of cropping up like
little weeds because it's so much deeper than that, and
it and even if you're being casual about it, when
you get a really heavy, important message, that's going to
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stick with you and you're going to really feel that
and feel like you weren't really prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes, that makes sense, it does, and that's really well explained.
You talked about matching to row with herbs and crystals.
Do you ever do that with say a crystal grid?
Will you add a to row card to a crystal grid.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Ooh, you certainly can. I have not because I'm not
a big crystal expert, but I would love doing that.
I think that's a brilliant idea.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I have a grid up right now. This is a
crystal grid. It's a combination of crystal grid and altar. Really,
it's what it needs. I see it. It's there for
a very specific purpose and it has several specific crystals
for the intent that I've got the grid up for
years ago, and you' all might remember these. Somebody gave
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me a miniature wait Smith deck.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
The cards are like.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Less than three inches big, and I have the Hermit
is in the grid, along with some feathers and some
representations of the four directions and so forth. But yes,
when I put the grid together and ask for the
intent to be met of this grid, and this worked
on the symbolism, I knew I needed the guidance of
the hermit. So he's in the grid.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh that's beautiful. The hermit year too, so right, exactly
all right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I love the idea of getting the miniature. I've seen
the miniature deck at different stores and I never got it.
But I like the idea of getting that just for
grid work or artwork or journaling. That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I do too for your alters.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, so I know that we know Thatterreau is just
such a huge part of your life and who you
are and what you give to the world. I want
to talk a bit about your newsletter. I wait with
bated breath every week for Beth's newsletter and the information
(26:33):
and the links and the support that she gives other
folks and other disciplines like astrologers. I'm curious about the
history of it, what folks can expect if they subscribe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay, well, thank you, Yeah, Mercy. I've been putting out
some kind of little newsletter thing since I think about
two thousand and four or so, And at first it
was just my blog, which back when I was one
thousand years younger, I was cranking out a blog post
every single day about every kind of magical topic you
(27:05):
could think of, fung shwe and crystals and herbs and
the holidays of goddesses and gods and everything you could
think of, and of course trow as well. And it
got bigger and I had more people subscribing, and I
think there's a little part of me that always just
(27:27):
wanted to be a journalist, and so why not. I
can come up with my own little banner and stuff,
and it's really fun for me and I love that.
I'm embarrassed to tell you how much time I spent
fiddling around in Canva creating graphics and stuff. They' don't
always make it into my newsletter, but I just love
all that. So it has grown quite a bit and
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I have added to it. It highlights the card of
the week, that's the main thing, and the Card of
the Week comes out every Monday. I've added in based
on what I'm getting from my subscribers, what people would
like to see. I have added a quote of the week,
and I think that another thing that I have added
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is frankly political, and so a lot of people don't
like that. I lost a lot of subscribers back then
twenty seventeen when I had Freedom Fridays and I posted
every chapter of Timothy Snyder's book on Tyranny and my
thoughts about that, and a lot of people were like,
you know, this is supposed to be tureau, this is
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supposed to be spiritual. I've got a quote for you.
It's another thing I put in my newsletter every week
it is a quote, and this week's quote addresses that,
in particular, those who say spirituality has nothing to do
with politics don't know what spirituality really means. And that
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quote is from Mahama Gandhi, who knew a thing or
two about both. And I believe that and my witchcraft
tradition that I'm a part of, we are political activists,
and so it's a part of who I am. And
if you don't like it, you can lump it. But
I think more and more people feel that way. So
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I have added a column in my newsletter that I'm
calling Shambala Warriors, and that is based on the work
of activists and Buddhist and ecologist Joanna Macy, the late
Joanna Macy, who is one of the great and noble
souls of our lifetimes, and the idea of the Shambala Warrior.
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I'm not a big fan of war imagery, but the
Shambala warrior is a prophecy of monks, basically Buddhist monks
who come together in a time of crisis and they
overcome powers evil through compassion and wisdom. And so that's
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my driving motivation is activism. That is deeply rooted and
compassion and wisdom, not in conflict, not in anything angry
or upsetting. But I do share with people ways that
you can support our neighbors, support people who are in trouble,
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support the political forces that are trying to preserve democracy.
So that's part of it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's so interesting that you lost a lot of subscribers
when you started mentioning political stuff, Dev, and I lost
a lot of listeners when we did not mention political stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So I just want to tell me, come on, I'll
just exchange people. I completely respect and see your opinion
and your point of view. And I love the quote
you shared. But I had said to Dev, I just
want this to be a rest fit from all of that,
you know, And I just want this to be an
evergreen show so that people twenty years from now could
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be like, oh, I want to learn about the dureaux
and not get pulled into the mack and Meyer of
current events. And DEB agreed with that, and so we
have just set that policy of this is a show
about being psychic. It's not a show about you know,
who are you going to vote for? But we get
a lot of pushback, and I just to me, I'm
relieved hearing you say what you said, because I'm like,
(31:28):
you know what, Samantha, no matter what you do, people
are going to love you or not love you, and
that's none of my business.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That's exactly right. And I was really disappointed in her,
and I got some really nasty emails about it from people,
and so it really threw me. But I'm sorry. That's
who I am. I've always been like this ever since
I was a we type in the high school working
for the Poor People's March in Washington, d C. And
(31:58):
that's just who it is and who I am. But
I love that what you're doing and your intention, see
intention is everything right. Your intention is to make this
program ever green and to teach. So when I'm teaching,
I don't go there. I'm feeling like there is no
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respite at this time. There really isn't. It's we're in
a whole new territory. That is, it's really not political anymore.
It's existential. But at the same time, there's a time
and a place for that. And as far as teaching
and having teaching modules for people, then sure, I don't
(32:39):
see why that should be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, that's the whole issue with I think everything going
on is we just need to you know, you do
you like? You know, like the expression I always say,
what you eat, don't make me fat?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Like everyone needs to.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Letterate with me, right right, right?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So you have a really great winter Souls to I
don't even know if I can call it an event
a community thing.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh? I'd love to, because it's my big thing every year.
This will be the twenty first year Yay the World.
And I learned it from Helen Farias, who was the
editor of the bell Tan Papers back in the nineties,
and she passed away unfortunately. And then a woman that
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I call the Priestess of Time, Waverley Fitzgerald, picked up
the mantle I was teaching it. And Waverly is an
expert on magical time and she's written books about that
and I just loved her. She unfortunately also passed away
a couple of years ago. But I started mentioning this
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twenty one years ago in my newsletter and it's just
taken off because it's such a good idea and it
appeals to everybody. The idea is an advent wreath that
is for everybody, and to make it for everybody, you
(34:06):
count down to the solstice rather than just a Christmas.
If you want to count down to Christmas, yes, that
is absolutely a part of it, and that is welcomed,
but it is really a countdown to solstice, so that
can work for everybody. It's a wreath. It's five candles.
Every Sunday until the big day. You light a candle
(34:30):
and you meditate for a little while about what that
candle means to you, You blow it out, and then
you come back the next Sunday. The suggested time is
at dusk, when you are kind of between the worlds,
when you're fading from the light to the dark, which
is what we're doing this time of year in the
Northern Hemisphere. Well, the amazing thing is it really did
(34:58):
take off, and I now have have thousands and thousands
of people all over the world participating, and that was
before I even had the Facebook group, which is nuts.
I really bought twenty one hundred people on Facebook doing it.
But even before I had that, I was buried in
emails from people every year because it resonates to just
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take a break from holiday craziness and gather with your
loved ones or alone or whoever your loved ones are,
and just have a time out for sacred space and
quiet because this is the noisiest, craziest time of year,
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but it's meant to be quiet and we need that
and to light that candle. And then the really magical
thing about it that people have told me for years
and I know it's true for me. I feel it
every year, is as as it's getting dark, you turn
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out all your lights and you sit there with your
wreath and a lighter and your candles. As you light
your candle, to know, get all over the world and
that moment as the shadow of night comes to that
part of the globe, hundreds and hundreds of people are
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participating with you. And they are Jewish, and they are
a Muslim, they are Pagan, they are Christian, they are atheists,
they are everything and everybody, And it's that moment of
just like somebody said, it was like doing the wave,
you know at a football game. You feel everything come
(36:50):
up and you're in it, and then it goes down
and it passes to the next time zone and it
goes around the world. Every Sunday, it is palpable and
beautiful and life changing.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Before I started doing that bit, I celebrated Hanukah and
pass Over because I loved exactly what you described.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Millions of people all over.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The world at the same time were lighting those same candles.
I love that, and I love this ritual that you're describing.
You will actually is on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I know it is. Yeah, so, and because of that,
some years we're all in sync together. But this year,
the Christian countdown starts on November thirtieth, because Christmas Day
is in the middle of the week. If you're counting
down to Solstice, only it starts this Sunday, and Solstice is,
like you say, on a Sunday, and that's when it ends.
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If that's all you're doing, or you could. I mean,
the thing is every week you go back and you
relight the candle that you look before. So another cool
thing is you can jump in any time. So if
you're out there in podcast land and you're just now
hearing this and you've missed the first date of the
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November twenty third, you can jump in anytime because we're
all going back and relighting our first candles every week,
and you can join at any time until it's over.
You can't do it wrong, and you can do it
any way you like. It's just this basic idea of
holding sacred space with people from every walk of life,
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every faith or non faith, and going into solstice, which
is going to happen whether you have a faith or not.
It's coming, and knowing that the darkest darkest days have
light ahead, and the rebirth of the light is what
this is all about, whether that is your savior or
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just rebirth of the sun, or gods or goddesses, or
holding space for the five sacred books of the New
of the Old Testament or whatever. It could be a
million different things, and all of that is on my website.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I'd say this a lot to folks smith, and I'm
sure you do too, Even matter what you believe, this
is a scientific event that's some is gonna happen, right,
and it might be not ice thing to acknowledge it
in some way along the way. In addition to of
course lighting the candles. My holiday has a soundtrack, and
(39:36):
I bet yours does too.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, but the cool Okay, let me
talk about this Facebook group because it's just so awesome
because you have when I say we've got over two
thousand people. What that means is you have over two
thousand ways of doing this, and so people share their altars,
they share their waths. Everybody's doing a circle wreath. They
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some of them are doing yulelog some of them are
just I don't know it's but they are sharing amazing
music that I have never heard before, beautiful YouTube you know,
video things, and their children and now their children there
are now grandchildren doing this, and it's just it's the
(40:24):
most beautiful thing. Last year, the darkness we were heading
into seemed particularly scary, and we were right. But I
told everybody, then look at this, come back to this
group throughout the year, and look at the spirit that
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is here. People's beautiful homes and their children all lit
up with excitement and hope, and they're beautiful trees, and
they're funny little I mean, people will put out little
toys around the altar, and everybody has a different way
of doing it, and the diversity and the beauty of
it is just gorgeous. And even people in the Southern
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Hemisphere are lighting up their candles on summertime reads there
are flowers and herbs and at summer Solstice, I encourage
everybody in the northern hemisphere to support the southern hemisphere
people that are going into their dark season. So yeah,
it's very reciprocal. It is so simple and so powerful.
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It's lovely.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I love that. So people can find more about that
at owlsdaughter dot com and we'll post the link in
the show notes.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I will add on to this Solstice practice, do good
for each other. Please go out of your way to
know your neighbors, to know the people around you, to
talk to people. When you grab your Starbucks and you
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head out, stop a minute and find who is that
person day after day after day making your Starbucks for you,
Who is that person that is checking you out at
the grocery store. They're not just faces that you blow by.
And the reason I say that is because it's easy
(42:26):
to forget how important compassion and how important our interconnectedness
really is. It is the primary thing for people of spirit,
which is everybody listening to this. I know, and so
do good for everyone. You can be patient. People are
(42:48):
having a hard time right now, and it's not always obvious.
It's not people don't wear a sign around their next
saying I'm one paycheck away from Homeland business they're not
wearing little hats that say I don't have my Snap benefits.
You can't tell be kind to everybody because everybody's really
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struggling right now.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Thank you for that, because we say those same words
in another way every week and mean them exactly the
same way you do. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But now at the holidays, especially because we're just being
bombarded with consumers and look how happy everybody. I'm a
big football fan, so i watch football on the weekends,
and I'm shocked at some of the commercials that just
show these people in this incredibly wealthy lifestyle flipping out
(43:48):
their credit card and buying anything that comes into their heads.
And it's like, but the rest of us can't possibly
do that, And so the messages were being hit with
are so disconnected from how our lives really are that
it alienates us on a deep level. And I feel
like as people of spirit, it's really important to understand
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and have compassion for how that impacts people and to
reach out past all that noise and really connect hard
to heart with people because we're in a world of
hurt and we need it. We need each other, we do.
And also in holidays, it reminds us of the people
(44:36):
that are no longer here. Yes, and there's a lot
of grieving, and it's not people's real experience, and what
we see on TV or all the ads we're fed
is so disconnected and so unreal, and people feel very
cut off and they're afraid to talk about it. And
to just be open to that and to be welcoming
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to each other. That is the true spirit of the holidays.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And don't cut each other off in traffic. I know
that sounds like out of left field, but that is
truly a vicious way that we treat each other on
the road. So I just had that consciousness as exactly
as Beth is saying, is to be kind each other.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I agree, But I also know that everybody is on
the brink. There's a lot of real terror and anger
that's simmering just below a very thin surface, and it
doesn't take anything for people to flip out on you.
So be careful because you just don't know. I'm not
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saying be afraid of your neighbor. I'm just saying, has compassion.
You don't know what they're going through, So be extra
gentle and mindful. And if somebody cuts you off. I ain't,
no saint, I'm going to curse a blue streak, but
I will let them hear it, right, I won't, and
I'm not going to provoke them in their rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
So Beth, thank you so much. Golly, we're out of time,
but I'm just so happy you've been with us, Samantha,
anything from you, dear no.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This has just been such a great conversation, and I
really hope people check out your Solstice event coming up.
They can find more about it in the show notes.
But I love the ideas of finding your birth card.
And thank you to our dear listener Fred Susan for
the idea of using the toro to find your word
of the year. We're all going to do that and
we'll report back to everyone absolutely. Thank you everyone so
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much for listening. We hope you have a beautiful, inspired,
happy week filled with lots of kindness. Remember, as always,
to be the light for yourself and others.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Take care everyone.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Thank you for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers,
light workers, mystics and magical thinkers. If you like the show,
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have a great week.
Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Fay,
and I'm Dead Bowie and we are so happy, honored
and thrilled to welcome Beth Owl's daughter back to our show.
We had you on just a couple of months ago,
but the response was so overwhelming talking about tourou that
we thought we have to have you back on. So
welcome Beth.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Thank you so much. I'm really thrilled to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh, we're thrilled to talk to you once again. We had,
Samantha said, so many folks who wanted to know more
about you and your work and ideas you have about
not just to Roe, but kind of being in the
world and a lot of stuff. So here we goes.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
When we had corresponded about having you back on, we
thought we'd like to at least start, who knows where
the conversation will take us, at least start talking about
how we can incorporate to Row into our daily life
for our own inner spiritual reflection and journey. So I
had asked you, Beth, if you could come on the
show and talk about how do you use to ROW
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in that way and how can our listeners use to
row to really enhance their meditations.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, one of my favorite things to do with it,
and for my clients and also for my students, we
get a lot of information and a lot of interest
in working with the birth cards. I just love the
birth cards of the Toureau. I ran across that in
Mary Greer's work a million years ago, and she and
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angelus Arian had Angie had really come up with the idea,
and then Mary ran off with it. And of course
the amber Stones also work with the birth cards a lot.
I don't use their particular way of calculate the birth cards.
It's similar but a little different. But I started working
(02:05):
with Mary's and it's really very simple. You just take
the day of your birth, the month of your birth,
the year of your birth, and you add it in
like a column, and then you reduce that to a
single digit number. There's a whole other aspect where you
do two digits and if it's in the major arcana,
(02:26):
et cetera. But the really easy way to do it
is to get your soul card, which is the single
digit number it reduces to. So for instance, if I
add up my birthday it comes to nineteen, well nineteen,
you get you reduce that to one plus nine equals ten. Oh,
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that's the wheel of fortune. And nineteen, of course is
the Sun card. But you keep going, so you get
a one digit number. So my soul card is the Magician.
And so we have people like Barack Obama reduces to
the High Priestess. He's a two. Hillary Clinton reduces to three.
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She's an empress. Surprise, surprise. Donald Trump reduces to a four.
He's an emperor, and so forth. So it's really a
wonderful way to connect with the Toureau for life. I mean,
this is your birthday, and it's sort of like your
son's sign in astrology. It's a little bit similar to
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that in that there's other nuance to it, like there
would be an astrology with your full chart and so forth.
It basically reveals what you're here in this life to
really work on. It's who you are at a core level,
your gifts, your foibles, and your mission really and life
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is to unfold and to become an embodiment of what
this card offers.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
My number reduces to a seven, so it's the Chariot.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
However, I also wonder how about the sevens of each
of the minor or kind of suits.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yep, Yeah, they do come into play because they are
all related back to the majors. But with the birth cards,
that's one of the nuanced aspects that you can work with.
But if you just want to keep it really simple,
the soul card gives you tons and tons of information
to work with and I love to use it as
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a tool for meditation and reflection all the time. It's like, so,
what would a magician do in this situation? What would
the lovers if that's who you are, what the lovers
be about? If you're trying to make this decision, especially
about people, there's your lover's energy. I also love that
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I will have to admit the birth cards and the
soul card or kind of the gateway drug to the
touro because it's so easy for non to row people
to connect to that one thing, and if that's all
they want to do forever, great, But it opens out
(05:18):
more questions like what are my children, what is my spouse?
What was that teacher in third grade? And so forth?
You know, it's almost like a spirit guide for you
throughout your life. And once you have that, you can
use that as meditation. You can use it to reflect.
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One really fun thing is to look at that card
across decks. If I have a deck that I'm considering
and I hate the magician in it, it's out, you know,
or the Sun card or the wheel of fortune, because
those are other parts of my birth card constellation. As
Mary calls that, I call it your Tarot profile, and
(06:00):
so you do have this combination. But that's a whole
other We could I teach a whole class on this,
so we're not gonna, you know, spend a lot of
time with that. But the easy thing is the soul cards.
The other thing that my students and clients have found
helpful is for a I love this subject. What I
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hit on this back in the nineties, sometime I just
went crazy and I started a birthday club and that's
how I did a lot of my own personal research
about how is this really working for people and getting
feedback from people and it's just marvelous. So one thing
I did for my birthday club people is I created
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an herbal packet and I picked a crystal to go
with their birth card, and so I have those available
if anybody's interested in meditation to really have little, you know,
potpourri if you of your empress herbs and to use
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that for meditation, to hold the crystal, to really go
into that card and see what is around you. How
does it help you? Does it reflect back for you
where you are in your life right now? And what
gifts does it offer? What challenges does it offer for you?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I absolutely love that idea. Now, what about if you
wanted to use to Row for journaling or insights into
some of the mind chatter that goes on in our head?
Would that just be like policarid each day and write
about it or would it be something different for you?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I encourage my students to do that. I think it's
the best way to learn that to Row and not
even necessarily to have a question if you're brand new,
but the overarching question maybe what do I need to
pay at time mention to today? And I encourage people
to try to carve out a little bit of time
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in the morning and write it down and then be
on the lookout for it throughout your day. How might
circumstances today answer that question? How might this card say,
the Seven of Swords act not everybody's favorite, but how
is that presenting perhaps in my day to day, and
(08:30):
then later in the day when you get home or
before bed, reflect on that and spend a little time
in meditation. Where did I possibly see that card or
the messages in that card come up during my day?
Maybe not at all, and that's okay, write that down.
Just the faithfulness of journaling over time will show you
(08:56):
so many things. First of all, will show you that
sometimes the don't answer you like you know, spit it
out and here it is. It's something that takes time
to really come together. Number two, sometimes you're not really
meant to know what that card means just yet, but
over time you will. You'll begin to see patterns and
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the real gift of journaling, and my experience is over
time you develop a personal rapport with those cards so
that you don't need a book. The books are important.
Learn what it means. Don't make it up by the
seat of your pants. Please you know on no.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
No never never never. I hate that when people encourage
that note. But yes, your intuition, you can't just click
it off. It's going to be working. But over time,
as you journal, you'll begin to see, Oh, when the
King of Wands comes up, I know that in my
life it means da da da, it means I'm going
(10:04):
to get a phone call from an ex boyfriend I've
been trying to get rid of. You'll begin to see
very intimate and personal meanings that belong to you and
you alone. It's like dreams dream journaling. You can read
about what things mean in dreams all day long, but
your dreams are going to be very idiosyncratic to you,
(10:28):
and so what they really mean and how you interpret
them in your own life is going to be probably
not at odds with a lot of the book knowledge,
but it's going to be so much more powerful because
it's you. This is you talking to yourself, this is
whatever the tureau is talking to you very personally.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I love what you said, I love those suggestions. I
offer similar things to my students. One of the things
that I also incorporate, and I bet you do too,
is if you're going to spend two or three days
focusing on one key, for example, then really pick it apart,
really look at all the symbology. Pixie drew nothing by accident. Well,
(11:17):
I say that I'm not still not sure about those
two shoes, But other than that, she really didn't have
any randomness in those cards, there was a reason for
everything there. What do each of those symbols mean to
you as you're meditating autumn and beginning to look within yourself,
what do they mean and what are they about for you?
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And particularly if you see re occurring themes over a
few for example, if a bunch of pyramids show up
one after another, then what's that about for you? So
to pay attention to connection among the symbols in the
keys as.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Well, oh well one hundred percent. And also I like
to encourage people to notice other patterns that might be happening,
like do things seem different when there's a full moon?
Do things seem different when the weather changes or seasonally?
You know, notice how all of that works. It ain't random,
(12:21):
but it really is not random. And as I say,
the more you can document this and meditate on it
and really, like you're saying, did dive into the symbology
of it? And what does that mean to you? I
have a very dear friend who is petrified of spiders.
(12:42):
Now I can't really think of any to row cars
that have spiders in them, and she's probably very grateful
for that. But in some deck there might be a
spider and a car came up for her. It would
have a completely different impact for her than it would
for somebody that is a big fan of you know, Ariad.
(13:04):
What's her name, erac Mee Arachne, thank you obviously, yes, Aracne.
And that would be welcome for one person and horrible
for another, and it'd be a completely different message.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Absolutely, And I know you do this too. That's why
we encourage folks not to study to Row in a vacuum,
but to study it with in terms of cultures and
mythologies and all of that is enhances our connection and
our understanding and the richness of to Row force and
your idea of journaling. Journaling longhand with a piece of
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paper and a pen. Yeah, and we're those because you're
hand remembers.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh that's so important. I'm so glad you said that. Absolutely,
because by writing long hand, you are eliminating screens, you're
eliminating technological glitches, you're eliminating the temptation to be pulled
one way or another. And from the mind to your
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hand is an ancient connection. It's very powerful and that's
the best way I think to really be in touch
with your own spirit. Otherwise you have this middleman, if
you will, that can really interfere with how you are
perceiving things.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Absolutely, our mine works very differently with words flowing across
a computer screen than they do coming out of it.
And in fact, I collect fountain pins. I write an
old fashion pins.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Oh I'm jealous. That is so cool. My only problem
is on left handed, and so when I do that,
I think everywhere.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Is to me too.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, but they're still so cool.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
One of our listeners had written in a really interesting
question to ask as you and she said that every
year she tries to come up with a word that
she wants to manifest throughout the new year, that she
wants to embody her life experiences. Deb and I have
talked about that a lot on the show You Know,
Choose your Word of the Year, And she asked, can
we use to row to help us choose the word
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of the year? And I thought, what a great question.
I had never considered using to row to help you
with that.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I confess I had not either. Samantha and we do
a whole episode in December where we talk about the
whole process and the whole reason about doing this word thing.
And you would think that two preaders would have thought this,
but nope, we didn't. So we're asking.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You you think three would have. I haven't thought of
that either, and I just think it's wonderful. I can't
wait to try it. It requires a certain amount of well,
no scratch that, I don't think. I was going to
say it requires a certain amount of knowledge of the cards,
but no, it doesn't. Really. Now, this is one place
(16:04):
where flying by the seat of your pants and looking
at a card I think could work. It's like the
trick of Tero. The big secret that is no secret
at all is you learn to read the teruo by
looking at it. You look at the card, and so
a baby, brand new beginner can look at the three
(16:27):
asswords and what do you see? And what word pops out?
So if you were willing to just trust the cards
and shuffle and pull a card and see what it
has to say to you, I would hope that your
card would not be the three Assorts, but there would
be something in there I'm sure that would inform you
(16:52):
that you would see a word maybe with that card.
Maybe it doesn't have to be the very first word
that comes to mine. Maybe it isn't the most obvious thing.
Give it some time, meditate on that before you say, oh,
this is it. I think you'll know in your body.
You'll know in your intuition this is my word, you know,
(17:15):
And especially if you go into the reading with that question,
show me what the word for the coming year for
me is going to be about. Okay, wait, I can't
wait to try it with me too.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
But I'm thinking about myself trying this, and I'm thinking
if I did that and I got the three of swords, intellectually,
I would go in one direction, which would be, oh, Samantha,
your guys are trying to tell you that your year
is about being healed and whole. And what's that Japanese
word where they put the gold paint?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh yo?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
It begins with a K, and I can't Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I would think, oh, okay, that's going to be my word,
But heart wise I'd be like, oh shit, why did
I pull back hard?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
So I'm asking, I guess all of us, since none
of us have done this, would we just use the
major arcond of card? Or But then what if I
got the Devil of the Death card? That would send
me in a tizzy? Too, So would we pull out
the cards that scare us. But then that's not the
whole No, that's cheaty, that's cheaty. Yeah, and you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Bring up exactly where I wanted to go here. It's
Samantha with that surface or no or surface knowledge. And
cannot tell you how many times over the years somebody
has come in to see me for a reading and
the first words out of their mouth were, I hope
I don't get the death card. No, my response is
always I hope you do, because it gives me an
(18:42):
opportunity to teach sure blame. And folks are fearful, they're
really scared of the devil in the tower garden, all
those scary cards you talking about, Samantha. And so it's
that importance of digging deeper that helps us to see
the word. And I know that sometimes that word changes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I remember, and.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I've told this story on the show before. I walk
a labyrinth on New Year's Eve at a beautiful Episcopal church.
And some years ago I walked into that labyrinth real
with a lot of clarity of what my word for
the year was going to be. And by the time
I wound my way into the center and sat to meditate. Nope,
(19:26):
this is not your word, girlfriends, you have got this
all wrong. Here's the words you're gonna go with.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And it was as clear as a bell. And I
trusted that, you know, just as I were doing this
exercise that we're talking about here, I would trust what
came up because I trust to row. Would I trust
my interpretation of it or try to anticipate how that
word might morph and change and grow during the course
(19:54):
of the year, I might be dead wrong by the
time of year's over.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I agree. I I think, why not? If the word
is problematic or your visceral emotional reaction is like, oh no,
then do a reading. Tell me more, give me some
more information. What am I not understanding? Is there any
(20:18):
way that I can turn this into a positive experience,
what kind of help and support is coming from the
spirit world for me? And really turn it into a
full reading? And I would build a spread around it
with that as the center card. So that might be something.
It's still going to be your word and what you
(20:39):
got out of it, but with a reading, perhaps you
would get a little bit more illumination about it. I
love that.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Hey, y'all. I'm so excited to offer so many opportunities
for us to connect. Here's a short list of what
I've got coming up. Registration is open now for the
Crafting the Wheel of the Year at Yule Workshop. I'll
discuss history and tradition and CLAA teaches you new craft ideas.
(21:13):
Registration is also open now for my Unlocking the Mysteries
of Terau three session course in January. There's an afternoon
and an evening section available. Don't miss my annual holiday
sale for my Animal Guides reports and my Numerology reports.
The sale begins November twenty fourth, for a limited time only.
(21:37):
My new book, Crafting the Wheel of the Year will
be available on my website for the holidays. If you
order directly from me, A mule cross stitch pattern and
a bell the reindeer crochet pattern will be emailed to
you when your orderships. And there's more coming so. You
can see all of this on my website at Bowen
(22:00):
dot com and in my newsletter. The subscribe button is
at the bottom of my website homepage. I so hope
you'll join me for some of these great events. Happy
holidays everyone.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Welcome back everyone. We're talking with Beth Owl's daughter about
using to Row for our personal meditative and journaling practices.
I do like the idea of consulting the Touro to
choose the word of the year, and I challenge all
three of us to try it and see what we
come up with.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Oh yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, I will. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
It led me to another question because I was thinking, well,
seek that, just grab your Touro deck and let's see.
I think there needs to be a more sacred approach
when you're using to Row for those big questions, rather
than me reaching into my desk and grabbing my deck
and shuffling and pulling a.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Card for us.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know, do you agree that it has to
be that reverence or I don't even know if that's
the right word.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Absolutely, it is. It is a sacred act to pull
those cars out and to ask for that guidance to it.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I agree. I mean I see the Toureau as actually
in a kind of an animistic way. If you call
the directions, or you pray to Archangel Michael or something,
you know, you got to remember they answer, this is
not just all happening in your ego in your head
(23:26):
and you're making stuff up, there is a response that
comes back, and so when you pull out your cars,
it's just just a quickie check in. Okay maybe, but
for a big question that has a year long implication
for you, it's a very respectful conversation that has to happen.
(23:48):
And I think stepping out of your day to day
busyness and creating some kind of sacred space through stilling yourself,
letting go of all the busy before and after and
making this a time out of time. I think that
is desperately important. And I think it's a missing ingredient
(24:13):
and a lot of the more shallow use of to
row that I have seen kind of cropping up like
little weeds because it's so much deeper than that, and
it and even if you're being casual about it, when
you get a really heavy, important message, that's going to
(24:34):
stick with you and you're going to really feel that
and feel like you weren't really prepared for it.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yes, that makes sense, it does, and that's really well explained.
You talked about matching to row with herbs and crystals.
Do you ever do that with say a crystal grid?
Will you add a to row card to a crystal grid.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Ooh, you certainly can. I have not because I'm not
a big crystal expert, but I would love doing that.
I think that's a brilliant idea.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
I have a grid up right now. This is a
crystal grid. It's a combination of crystal grid and altar. Really,
it's what it needs. I see it. It's there for
a very specific purpose and it has several specific crystals
for the intent that I've got the grid up for
years ago, and you' all might remember these. Somebody gave
(25:25):
me a miniature wait Smith deck.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
The cards are like.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Less than three inches big, and I have the Hermit
is in the grid, along with some feathers and some
representations of the four directions and so forth. But yes,
when I put the grid together and ask for the
intent to be met of this grid, and this worked
on the symbolism, I knew I needed the guidance of
the hermit. So he's in the grid.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh that's beautiful. The hermit year too, so right, exactly
all right.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
I love the idea of getting the miniature. I've seen
the miniature deck at different stores and I never got it.
But I like the idea of getting that just for
grid work or artwork or journaling. That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I do too for your alters.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, so I know that we know Thatterreau is just
such a huge part of your life and who you
are and what you give to the world. I want
to talk a bit about your newsletter. I wait with
bated breath every week for Beth's newsletter and the information
(26:33):
and the links and the support that she gives other
folks and other disciplines like astrologers. I'm curious about the
history of it, what folks can expect if they subscribe.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Okay, well, thank you, Yeah, Mercy. I've been putting out
some kind of little newsletter thing since I think about
two thousand and four or so, And at first it
was just my blog, which back when I was one
thousand years younger, I was cranking out a blog post
every single day about every kind of magical topic you
(27:05):
could think of, fung shwe and crystals and herbs and
the holidays of goddesses and gods and everything you could
think of, and of course trow as well. And it
got bigger and I had more people subscribing, and I
think there's a little part of me that always just
(27:27):
wanted to be a journalist, and so why not. I
can come up with my own little banner and stuff,
and it's really fun for me and I love that.
I'm embarrassed to tell you how much time I spent
fiddling around in Canva creating graphics and stuff. They' don't
always make it into my newsletter, but I just love
all that. So it has grown quite a bit and
(27:50):
I have added to it. It highlights the card of
the week, that's the main thing, and the Card of
the Week comes out every Monday. I've added in based
on what I'm getting from my subscribers, what people would
like to see. I have added a quote of the week,
and I think that another thing that I have added
(28:13):
is frankly political, and so a lot of people don't
like that. I lost a lot of subscribers back then
twenty seventeen when I had Freedom Fridays and I posted
every chapter of Timothy Snyder's book on Tyranny and my
thoughts about that, and a lot of people were like,
you know, this is supposed to be tureau, this is
(28:34):
supposed to be spiritual. I've got a quote for you.
It's another thing I put in my newsletter every week
it is a quote, and this week's quote addresses that,
in particular, those who say spirituality has nothing to do
with politics don't know what spirituality really means. And that
(28:55):
quote is from Mahama Gandhi, who knew a thing or
two about both. And I believe that and my witchcraft
tradition that I'm a part of, we are political activists,
and so it's a part of who I am. And
if you don't like it, you can lump it. But
I think more and more people feel that way. So
(29:18):
I have added a column in my newsletter that I'm
calling Shambala Warriors, and that is based on the work
of activists and Buddhist and ecologist Joanna Macy, the late
Joanna Macy, who is one of the great and noble
souls of our lifetimes, and the idea of the Shambala Warrior.
(29:44):
I'm not a big fan of war imagery, but the
Shambala warrior is a prophecy of monks, basically Buddhist monks
who come together in a time of crisis and they
overcome powers evil through compassion and wisdom. And so that's
(30:05):
my driving motivation is activism. That is deeply rooted and
compassion and wisdom, not in conflict, not in anything angry
or upsetting. But I do share with people ways that
you can support our neighbors, support people who are in trouble,
(30:27):
support the political forces that are trying to preserve democracy.
So that's part of it.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
It's so interesting that you lost a lot of subscribers
when you started mentioning political stuff, Dev, and I lost
a lot of listeners when we did not mention political stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So I just want to tell me, come on, I'll
just exchange people. I completely respect and see your opinion
and your point of view. And I love the quote
you shared. But I had said to Dev, I just
want this to be a rest fit from all of that,
you know, And I just want this to be an
evergreen show so that people twenty years from now could
(31:06):
be like, oh, I want to learn about the dureaux
and not get pulled into the mack and Meyer of
current events. And DEB agreed with that, and so we
have just set that policy of this is a show
about being psychic. It's not a show about you know,
who are you going to vote for? But we get
a lot of pushback, and I just to me, I'm
relieved hearing you say what you said, because I'm like,
(31:28):
you know what, Samantha, no matter what you do, people
are going to love you or not love you, and
that's none of my business.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
That's exactly right. And I was really disappointed in her,
and I got some really nasty emails about it from people,
and so it really threw me. But I'm sorry. That's
who I am. I've always been like this ever since
I was a we type in the high school working
for the Poor People's March in Washington, d C. And
(31:58):
that's just who it is and who I am. But
I love that what you're doing and your intention, see
intention is everything right. Your intention is to make this
program ever green and to teach. So when I'm teaching,
I don't go there. I'm feeling like there is no
(32:18):
respite at this time. There really isn't. It's we're in
a whole new territory. That is, it's really not political anymore.
It's existential. But at the same time, there's a time
and a place for that. And as far as teaching
and having teaching modules for people, then sure, I don't
(32:39):
see why that should be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Well, that's the whole issue with I think everything going
on is we just need to you know, you do
you like? You know, like the expression I always say,
what you eat, don't make me fat?
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Like everyone needs to.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Letterate with me, right right, right?
Speaker 1 (32:57):
So you have a really great winter Souls to I
don't even know if I can call it an event
a community thing.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Can you talk about that?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Oh? I'd love to, because it's my big thing every year.
This will be the twenty first year Yay the World.
And I learned it from Helen Farias, who was the
editor of the bell Tan Papers back in the nineties,
and she passed away unfortunately. And then a woman that
(33:26):
I call the Priestess of Time, Waverley Fitzgerald, picked up
the mantle I was teaching it. And Waverly is an
expert on magical time and she's written books about that
and I just loved her. She unfortunately also passed away
a couple of years ago. But I started mentioning this
(33:46):
twenty one years ago in my newsletter and it's just
taken off because it's such a good idea and it
appeals to everybody. The idea is an advent wreath that
is for everybody, and to make it for everybody, you
(34:06):
count down to the solstice rather than just a Christmas.
If you want to count down to Christmas, yes, that
is absolutely a part of it, and that is welcomed,
but it is really a countdown to solstice, so that
can work for everybody. It's a wreath. It's five candles.
Every Sunday until the big day. You light a candle
(34:30):
and you meditate for a little while about what that
candle means to you, You blow it out, and then
you come back the next Sunday. The suggested time is
at dusk, when you are kind of between the worlds,
when you're fading from the light to the dark, which
is what we're doing this time of year in the
Northern Hemisphere. Well, the amazing thing is it really did
(34:58):
take off, and I now have have thousands and thousands
of people all over the world participating, and that was
before I even had the Facebook group, which is nuts.
I really bought twenty one hundred people on Facebook doing it.
But even before I had that, I was buried in
emails from people every year because it resonates to just
(35:24):
take a break from holiday craziness and gather with your
loved ones or alone or whoever your loved ones are,
and just have a time out for sacred space and
quiet because this is the noisiest, craziest time of year,
(35:45):
but it's meant to be quiet and we need that
and to light that candle. And then the really magical
thing about it that people have told me for years
and I know it's true for me. I feel it
every year, is as as it's getting dark, you turn
(36:05):
out all your lights and you sit there with your
wreath and a lighter and your candles. As you light
your candle, to know, get all over the world and
that moment as the shadow of night comes to that
part of the globe, hundreds and hundreds of people are
(36:29):
participating with you. And they are Jewish, and they are
a Muslim, they are Pagan, they are Christian, they are atheists,
they are everything and everybody, And it's that moment of
just like somebody said, it was like doing the wave,
you know at a football game. You feel everything come
(36:50):
up and you're in it, and then it goes down
and it passes to the next time zone and it
goes around the world. Every Sunday, it is palpable and
beautiful and life changing.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Before I started doing that bit, I celebrated Hanukah and
pass Over because I loved exactly what you described.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Millions of people all over.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
The world at the same time were lighting those same candles.
I love that, and I love this ritual that you're describing.
You will actually is on a Sunday.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I know it is. Yeah, so, and because of that,
some years we're all in sync together. But this year,
the Christian countdown starts on November thirtieth, because Christmas Day
is in the middle of the week. If you're counting
down to Solstice, only it starts this Sunday, and Solstice is,
like you say, on a Sunday, and that's when it ends.
(37:48):
If that's all you're doing, or you could. I mean,
the thing is every week you go back and you
relight the candle that you look before. So another cool
thing is you can jump in any time. So if
you're out there in podcast land and you're just now
hearing this and you've missed the first date of the
(38:09):
November twenty third, you can jump in anytime because we're
all going back and relighting our first candles every week,
and you can join at any time until it's over.
You can't do it wrong, and you can do it
any way you like. It's just this basic idea of
holding sacred space with people from every walk of life,
(38:35):
every faith or non faith, and going into solstice, which
is going to happen whether you have a faith or not.
It's coming, and knowing that the darkest darkest days have
light ahead, and the rebirth of the light is what
this is all about, whether that is your savior or
(38:58):
just rebirth of the sun, or gods or goddesses, or
holding space for the five sacred books of the New
of the Old Testament or whatever. It could be a
million different things, and all of that is on my website.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I'd say this a lot to folks smith, and I'm
sure you do too, Even matter what you believe, this
is a scientific event that's some is gonna happen, right,
and it might be not ice thing to acknowledge it
in some way along the way. In addition to of
course lighting the candles. My holiday has a soundtrack, and
(39:36):
I bet yours does too.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, but the cool Okay, let me
talk about this Facebook group because it's just so awesome
because you have when I say we've got over two
thousand people. What that means is you have over two
thousand ways of doing this, and so people share their altars,
they share their waths. Everybody's doing a circle wreath. They
(40:02):
some of them are doing yulelog some of them are
just I don't know it's but they are sharing amazing
music that I have never heard before, beautiful YouTube you know,
video things, and their children and now their children there
are now grandchildren doing this, and it's just it's the
(40:24):
most beautiful thing. Last year, the darkness we were heading
into seemed particularly scary, and we were right. But I
told everybody, then look at this, come back to this
group throughout the year, and look at the spirit that
(40:47):
is here. People's beautiful homes and their children all lit
up with excitement and hope, and they're beautiful trees, and
they're funny little I mean, people will put out little
toys around the altar, and everybody has a different way
of doing it, and the diversity and the beauty of
it is just gorgeous. And even people in the Southern
(41:11):
Hemisphere are lighting up their candles on summertime reads there
are flowers and herbs and at summer Solstice, I encourage
everybody in the northern hemisphere to support the southern hemisphere
people that are going into their dark season. So yeah,
it's very reciprocal. It is so simple and so powerful.
(41:33):
It's lovely.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I love that. So people can find more about that
at owlsdaughter dot com and we'll post the link in
the show notes.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
I will add on to this Solstice practice, do good
for each other. Please go out of your way to
know your neighbors, to know the people around you, to
talk to people. When you grab your Starbucks and you
(42:05):
head out, stop a minute and find who is that
person day after day after day making your Starbucks for you,
Who is that person that is checking you out at
the grocery store. They're not just faces that you blow by.
And the reason I say that is because it's easy
(42:26):
to forget how important compassion and how important our interconnectedness
really is. It is the primary thing for people of spirit,
which is everybody listening to this. I know, and so
do good for everyone. You can be patient. People are
(42:48):
having a hard time right now, and it's not always obvious.
It's not people don't wear a sign around their next
saying I'm one paycheck away from Homeland business they're not
wearing little hats that say I don't have my Snap benefits.
You can't tell be kind to everybody because everybody's really
(43:11):
struggling right now.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Thank you for that, because we say those same words
in another way every week and mean them exactly the
same way you do. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
But now at the holidays, especially because we're just being
bombarded with consumers and look how happy everybody. I'm a
big football fan, so i watch football on the weekends,
and I'm shocked at some of the commercials that just
show these people in this incredibly wealthy lifestyle flipping out
(43:48):
their credit card and buying anything that comes into their heads.
And it's like, but the rest of us can't possibly
do that, And so the messages were being hit with
are so disconnected from how our lives really are that
it alienates us on a deep level. And I feel
like as people of spirit, it's really important to understand
(44:15):
and have compassion for how that impacts people and to
reach out past all that noise and really connect hard
to heart with people because we're in a world of
hurt and we need it. We need each other, we do.
And also in holidays, it reminds us of the people
(44:36):
that are no longer here. Yes, and there's a lot
of grieving, and it's not people's real experience, and what
we see on TV or all the ads we're fed
is so disconnected and so unreal, and people feel very
cut off and they're afraid to talk about it. And
to just be open to that and to be welcoming
(44:57):
to each other. That is the true spirit of the holidays.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And don't cut each other off in traffic. I know
that sounds like out of left field, but that is
truly a vicious way that we treat each other on
the road. So I just had that consciousness as exactly
as Beth is saying, is to be kind each other.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I agree, But I also know that everybody is on
the brink. There's a lot of real terror and anger
that's simmering just below a very thin surface, and it
doesn't take anything for people to flip out on you.
So be careful because you just don't know. I'm not
(45:39):
saying be afraid of your neighbor. I'm just saying, has compassion.
You don't know what they're going through, So be extra
gentle and mindful. And if somebody cuts you off. I ain't,
no saint, I'm going to curse a blue streak, but
I will let them hear it, right, I won't, and
I'm not going to provoke them in their rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
So Beth, thank you so much. Golly, we're out of time,
but I'm just so happy you've been with us, Samantha,
anything from you, dear no.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
This has just been such a great conversation, and I
really hope people check out your Solstice event coming up.
They can find more about it in the show notes.
But I love the ideas of finding your birth card.
And thank you to our dear listener Fred Susan for
the idea of using the toro to find your word
of the year. We're all going to do that and
we'll report back to everyone absolutely. Thank you everyone so
(46:32):
much for listening. We hope you have a beautiful, inspired,
happy week filled with lots of kindness. Remember, as always,
to be the light for yourself and others.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Take care everyone.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Thank you for listening to Psychic Teachers, your podcast for seekers,
light workers, mystics and magical thinkers. If you like the show,
please tell us, friend or leave us a review wherever
you listen to your podcast. For more information, check out
our Facebook page Psychic Teachers, or our websites Samantha Fay
dot com and Debbowen dot com. Thanks for listening and
(47:12):
have a great week.
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