November 3, 2025 • 37 mins
If you've ever felt stuck, unclear about your purpose, or like you're living someone else's life, your birth chart might hold the answers.
Jill Brown is a former NASA research scientist turned evolutionary astrologer, and she approaches the stars the same way she approached her research: with precision, pattern recognition, and proof. In this episode, she makes the case for astrology as "cosmic weather," a forecasting tool that's been studied and observed for centuries.
We dive deep into why most people are reading their charts wrong and why your sun sign might not actually be your dominant energy. Jill explains what your South Node reveals about past life karma and the patterns you're here to break, and how to tell if you're meant for visible, public leadership versus private, inner healing work. We also explore the major planetary transits happening right now that are creating massive shifts in 2025-2026, why some people physically need beauty to function (yes, it's actually in your chart), and the real stories of children remembering past lives.
Whether you're astrology-obsessed or completely skeptical, this episode offers a fresh, grounded perspective that might just change how you see yourself and your path forward.
Jill Brown's Website:
https://www.eightstarsastrology.com/
Jill on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/eightstarsastrology/
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, Sabrina Soto, andthis is the space where we have
honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts,
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their fields who
share their insights to help youstep into your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Welcome to Redesigning Life, another
episode.
This one's gonna be good andjuicy because today I have Jill
Brown with us.
Jill is a former NASA researchscientist who's turned into an
evolutionary astrologer.
She founded Eight StarsAstrology.
Jill, I am so excited to getstarted because I know you
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pulled my chart.
Thank you for being here.
I'm so excited.
Thank you for having me,Sabrina.
Oh my gosh.
So, first of all, I want to knowabout astrology and how I think
some people look at astrologyand they think it's just woo-woo
psychic stuff.
But I mean, you are it's to me,I'm so impressed with your
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background.
I mean, like you were ascientist.
And like if you believe inastrology and it guiding our
lives, it's it's real.
So how is astrology reallyscience?
SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
Yeah, I think it's interesting because people I
hear that often from folks.
I and they'll say stuff like,well, I don't believe in
astrology or astrology's vanity,et cetera.
And what I think is interestingabout that is to me, astrology
is essentially a cosmicforecast, the same way we have
meteorology that predicts it hasforecasting models.
We can help predict the weather.
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We can tell you where we think astorm's coming in, right?
Different fronts moving around.
That's what astrology is.
It is the science of cosmicactivities and cosmic transits.
And with those transits andactivities are correlated
events, correlated energies,correlated um, you know,
interplays of energy.
And so I always think it's funnybecause I'm like, well, you
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don't have to believe inmeteorology as a science, but
it's happening, whether youbelieve it or not.
So you may as well kind of learnabout it and check the weather
forecast.
It's the same with astrology.
And how does that work?
Like, how does it work?
How does it work?
So it's um, well, it'sinteresting because it's
actually based on astronomy,right?
We all know that the planetsrotate, the planets orbit, the
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planets have all these differentinteractions.
And astrology is just centuriesof studying those same astronomy
movements and then observingenergetic patterns and um uh,
you know, qualities and traitsand characteristics that
correspond with those planets,those movements and the astrolog
the astronomy, you know, aspectsof it.
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So it is scientific.
In fact, in, you know, I thinkwe discredit our ancestors as
being very um stupid for lack ofa better word.
Like we look back and we'relike, oh ha ha ha, they were
using astrology, like what abunch of idiots.
We have science now.
But it it was a form of scienceand remains a form of science.
It's observable, it'srepeatable, it has patterns,
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right?
And those are all the thingsthat we look for in science.
It's just that we also have nowthe natural sciences and we have
the advancement of technologythat can tell us more about
solar systems and galaxies far,far away that our predecessors
didn't have because of certainaspects of the technological
advancements.
But it is a scientific process.
It is repeatable, it isobservable, it is, you know, all
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the things that we would thinkof as being scientific, right?
And then you put on that a lensof interplay, a lens of personal
experience, a lens of uh freedomand free choice and free will.
So I don't think astrology ispredetermination necessarily,
but it is repeatable patternsthat we can use to help improve
our life and showcase a missionand help us get on stock when we
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feel stuck.
It's there to help us and toguide us.
And then it's our choice how wewant to interact with that, both
in our own natal chart and injust the broader transit of
what's going on in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
But how does it affect our lives?
Like, I that no one's been ableto explain to me how it affects,
like I was born in Miami at thistime, on this date.
How do the stars affect my lifejust because I was born on that
date and that time in thatplace?
unknown (04:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
And I would say it's not necessarily that they they
they cast a model and a lensthrough which you can look at
your life and your experience,right?
And the idea, at least inevolutionary astrology, is that
we were consciousness before wecame into this like physical
world and we made a choice aboutwhen we were going to enter.
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And that choice is marked by ournatal chart.
And it is trying to tell us,okay, it's it's almost to me
like a reminder.
Like, okay, Sabrina, you choseto come in on the 27th of
December.
And the reason you chose that,if you choose to look up your
natal chart later, is becauseyou have a very specific mission
and a very specific set of umopportunities to guide your life
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and your karma essentially inthis lifetime.
You can choose to do thosethings or not, but they're
usually a way to help usreconcile or um or make
different choices from from pastlife experiences because it's
all about growing.
It's about learning, it's aboutchoosing opportunities.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
So this goes even further and deeper than us just
being born in these human, youknow, on earth.
And like you're saying, thisgoes past to like your
consciousness choosing to behere.
And then because of that withthe planets comes the because of
that time that you chose is whatyour destiny could be.
SPEAKER_02 (05:50):
Could be, yes.
Yes.
I think it's your highestopportunity or your highest
calling if you choose to embracethat.
And often it's because we had aexperience in another lifetime
that that left a mark for betteror worse, and we're here to kind
of have a new set ofopportunities, right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Right.
Okay, so let's say, like, yeah,in my past life something
happened, and I was like, hey, Iwant to go back there again
because I want to learn how todo that differently or whatever,
whatever whatever the case is.
Astrology allows you to get aglimpse into that.
Correct.
Correct.
Okay.
So what does that even mean?
The natal chart, the Chiron,like what I don't even know what
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that means.
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I guess to just baselineeverybody's understanding, there
are different forms ofastrology.
There's a lot of different,there's Vedic astrology, there's
evolutionary astrology, there'sdifferent systems, there's whole
house systems, and it can getinfinitely complex, right?
It's a complex landscape.
They are all just differentlenses of studying the stars,
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right?
And trying to put together achart and a mission.
So the reason I was specificallydrawn to evolutionary astrology
is I happened to get my chartread right at a time when I had
my first my oldest daughter, myfirst child.
And I was feeling reallyactually quite stuck, sort of
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professionally.
And, but I also like had thisdaughter that I loved.
And I was feeling this very likepush-pull between like I have
this career and this missionthat I feel really strong about,
but I also have this baby and Ikind of feel stuck and I'm not
sure what to do.
And um, married to somebody whohad a career in the Navy.
So that was very telling uswhere we had to be, which was
impact impacting my career.
And I have a master's degree.
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I don't really want to go livein this place that you were
assigned to live.
I'd like to keep my job at NASA.
Um, and so there was a lot ofstuckness and frustration, even
though there was a lot of goodhappening too.
And so just I thought, you know,I'm gonna get my chart right.
I've always wanted to do that.
And the woman I went to was anevolutionary astrologer.
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I didn't know that.
I just picked an astrologer,right?
And she was great and highlyrecommended.
And this woman sat across fromme and told me things about my
childhood and my life and placesof stuckness, knowing nothing
but my name and my date of birthand my time of birth.
And I just thought, what isgoing on here?
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How can this person know so muchabout me?
And at the time, all I knewabout astrology was I'm a
Taurus.
And I'd always kind of felt notthat much of a Taurus, too.
Like Taurus is always like, theylove plants and they keep plants
alive and they love food.
And I'm like, well, I do lovefood, but I can't keep a plant
alive.
And I just a lot of it was likesort of not that accurate.
It's like, well, sort of, youknow, you kind of do the like,
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sort of.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
You're like, yeah, I like a tree.
SPEAKER_02 (08:47):
Yeah.
Well, and it was like they'rebad at change and they're very
stubborn.
I probably am a little stubborn,but um, I really, I really loved
travel and international traveland like all these cultures and
change was a huge part of mylife.
And I really embraced change.
So I was like, that's reallyweird.
Well, it turns out I'm aSagittarius rising, and
Sagittarius is really all abouttravel and other cultures and
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embracing education and allthese things.
And um I I felt like I felt likefor the first time in my life I
had a lot of grace for who Iwas.
Like it gave me permission to belike, these things aren't just
random.
It's kind of this karmic imprintyou were born with.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
And you have a mission, and being a mother is
um a big part of that, but so iscareer.
And it just was very affirmingabout a lot of things that were
ahead.
I also had um a lot of childhoodtrauma that I was just starting
to process and go to therapyfor, and that was in my chart
that she told me about.
And I'm like, no one knows thisbut my therapist and one of my
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siblings.
Like, how does this know this?
Yeah.
Very, very personal stuff.
And at the same time, mytoddler, who was not quite two
yet, one night I was taking, youknow, putting her to bed and
reading a story or something.
And she said, Can I sing, youknow, can I sing to you tonight?
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And I said, Yeah, of course.
And so she started singing methis song about it's it's night
and it's dark, and we'retraveling the forest and we see
the stars and we know where weare and we know where we're
going.
And at first you're just a momand you're tired.
So I was like, uh, that's cute,you know.
And then all of a suddensomething kind of just said,
like, listen.
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And I really listened.
And she was singing almost likea gospel hymnal or something
about it, it was so soulful andit was not a children's song.
And when she stopped, I said,Where did where did you hear
that?
And she said, Oh, from my othermother.
And I said, Your your othermother?
And I was like very consciousnot to make it weird, but I was
like, Oh, your your othermother?
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And she said, Yeah, I had amother before you, but we used
to travel at night and followthe stars, and we were crossing
a river and she drowned.
And I'm like, uh, that is reallyoddly specific for a
20-month-old or whatever, youknow, like a toddler to tell me
all about this other mother shehad who drowned.
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And I said, Oh gosh, you know,okay.
And she said, Yeah.
And then I was, you know, andthen something happened to me
and I woke up and now you're mymother.
And I'm like, okay, oh, okay.
And I think if I hadn't at thesame time overlapped that
experience with getting my chartread and learning about like
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past life karma, that wassomething so foreign and bizarre
to me, both from a religiousupbringing that I had and a
scientific research sort ofmindset that I had.
It really was like thisPandora's box that opened for me
that I think there's a lot moregoing on here than I really gave
credit for.
And there is this overlap ofyes, we have intelligence and
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scientific study and methodologyand research, but there's also
just something that is stillunknown by like fact or you
know, provable, but that's felt.
And how does a toddler knowabout another mother and this
song?
And then sometimes she would seeher other mother and she would
sort of run off and then comeback and say, Oh, my other
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mother wanted to see my Easterdress, or oh, my other mother
wanted to tell me something.
And I think in the past, like inmy childhood, we would have been
like, Oh, that's cute, imaginaryfriend.
But it was so and I think I wasjust in this place of being
vulnerable to being like crackedopen to maybe believing that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
And that became the path for me that really opened
up evolutionary astrologybecause yeah, I was gonna ask
you like, how do you go frombeing a research scientist at
NASA to like that's a huge fromwhat I would think from the
outside, it's a jump.
SPEAKER_02 (12:49):
It is a jump, yeah.
And it was a spectrum, right?
So I didn't just like the nextday do it.
What I actually did was I keptharassing my poor astrologer for
like more and more readingsuntil finally she was like,
maybe you should go to schooland study this because you have
a capacity and you're clearlyvery interested.
So then it just started, Iwanted to be a better parent to
my kids.
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And kind of to overcome some ofthe uh the childhood trauma I
had, I thought, gosh, if I couldunderstand my kids' chart a
little better, maybe I could bethe kind of parent that could
adapt more to um the guardrailsand the light and the help that
they need.
So then I got into it really tokind of help be a better parent
to my children.
And then it started, then youknow, then your sister's
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interested and your friend'sinterested.
And then it just sort of went onfrom there to where I was like,
okay, no, I really I'm gonna getcertified career.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Going back to your daughter, seeing her her other
mother, that was in how did shedid you ever find out like what
was she seeing?
Or how was she experiencingthat?
SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
Um, no, she she will, I think it's more uh
clearer audience.
She she like hears it or shewill dream about it.
But I don't know that she everactually saw, like, saw it.
And it's hard because she was soyoung and I was trying to be
open to it without you can feelthat moment with anybody where
you're probed a little too much,and then they sort of go, you
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know, I'm not oh wait, I'msaying something that's weird
and I don't want to talk aboutit anymore.
So I was really cognizant to notpush too hard, but it's more
like she hears and then hasdreams.
Um, yeah, it's superfascinating.
Not one of my gifts, but yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
And so does she still have those situations like
does she still feel that now orlike not as much, which I kind
of hate.
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
She's eight now.
Yeah, it's still really startedto curtail around the age of
five or six.
Every once in a while she'll saysomething, but it's a lot less.
But she would do things like themorning my grandfather passed
away.
She saw my grandfather in thehouse with my with my dog who
had recently passed.
And she was like, Oh, Bunka'shere with with Betty, my dog.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
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And then my mom called, youknow, maybe an hour later and
was like, Your grandfatherpassed away this morning.
So it's like stuff like fullbody chills.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she has some kind of capacitythat I feel like um I think she
and I have reincarnated togethera lot.
And she's like a teacher for me,even though she's my child.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
I oh my gosh, I have so many questions.
SPEAKER_02 (15:12):
Yeah, I know.
That's a whole other thing.
Well, so what's fascinating isthere's a series on Netflix that
the um, I think it's theUniversity of Virginia medical
department.
So again, this reallyfascinating place of science
overlapping with spirituality,has done a bunch of research on
children that have past lifememories, and they've gone and
been able to prove the peoplethat they say they were existed.
SPEAKER_01 (15:34):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
It's like it's fascinating stuff.
Yeah, that's a whole otherrabbit hole you can go to.
So that made me feel better too,because I was like, oh no, this
is like a provable science thatpeople are actually studying
with PhDs, where children have alot of times it's children who
have like uh night trauma ornightmares that they can't
explain, like crashing in a oneof them was a child that had
crashed in uh into the ocean ina plane.
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And he was able to say enough toresearchers that they figured
out and recovered a World War IIairplane that had gone down in
the Pacific theater.
And it was tied to the the lastperson that flew.
It was this pilot that this kidsaid that he was.
I mean, it's just, it's just,it'll blow your mind.
So it does, it just like keptadding to this idea that yes, we
live in a tangible world and wehave deadlines, and that is part
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of the importance of this life.
But there's also other stuffthat's like very cool.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
I so I mean, this is gonna be the like the first
redesigning life podcast that isuh seven hours long.
Right, right, right.
I know it becomes a series,right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
It's like there's like 20 more episodes, but yes.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Um, okay, so selfishly, and listeners, just
bear with me.
I so I would love to hear whatyou saw on my chart.
SPEAKER_02 (16:45):
Yeah.
Okay.
So interesting.
So when we look at your chart,we know you're a Capricorn son.
Some people have, it'sinteresting.
Like some people will have, youknow, I'm a I'm a Virgo, but
they actually have a ton ofScorpio.
And I'll say the reason you getyour chart read by an astrologer
is they can sort of intuitivelylook at the really strong
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energies.
It's not always your sun sign.
I suspect that's a reason a lotof people don't believe in
astrology, is because theirchart is actually much more
heavily dominated in a differentsign that isn't just the obvious
I was born May 9th, so I'm aTaurus.
SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
You know, then how do you know that?
How do you know that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
Um, we you can pull your chart.
Anyone can actually pull theirchart, but you just need to know
your exact time of birth, yourplace of birth, and your date of
birth.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
No, I know, but I'm saying, like, I know my sun is
Capricorn, my moon is Pisces, Ithink, right?
And my rising is Aquarius.
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
Your yeah, your rising is Aquarius.
In in evolutionary astrology,your moon is actually Leo.
You have a Leo.
A Leo.
Yep.
Um, and I think that's thedifference too, is a lot of the
apps will use whole houseastrology, which I love apps,
but if you use evolutionaryastrology, it uses what's called
the placidist system.
And it's it's a more precisemeasurement of um where your
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planets fall.
So sometimes it'll sound alittle different.
Okay.
Right.
So um, so yeah.
Um, and then you know you have astellium, obviously.
I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (18:13):
Okay.
unknown (18:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
You have a stellium.
What is that?
So a stellium is when three ormore planets are really tightly
coupled together, usually withinabout 10 degrees of each other.
So you have a stellium inCapricorn, which tells me you're
like the ultimate Capricorn,because you get all the
Capricorn superpowers, which is,you know, hard worker, diligent.
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Like if we're gonna call someonein to get the job done, it's
gonna be a Capricorn.
By the way, my oldest that hasher um other mother and such,
she's a Capricorn.
She's my ultimate Capricorn.
I love her, I love Capricornenergy.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Me too.
Um not just because it's me.
SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
Yeah, no, it's such a good, like Capricorn is just,
they're the people that get getstuff done.
Yeah.
Right.
Like it's just that very muchlike, I don't know how I'm gonna
do it, but I'm gonna do it.
So you've got all that likeCapricorn superpowers.
Um, but when we look at youryour self, the other thing, just
not to squirrel, but your chart,when you look at the wheel of
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your chart, if you cut it inhalf, so you have an upper half
and a lower half, your chart ispredominantly almost entirely
upper half, which when I look atthat before I even knew you, if
I was doing a reading for you, Iwould say this is somebody who
has a more um public calling, aleadership calling.
The upper half is very visibleof our chart.
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So if you have a lot of upperhalf stuff, it's here for
visibility, it's here forleadership, it's here to lead
and build communities.
Um, it's a lot more that upper,uh, more visible, more public
realm.
When I see people with tons andtons of lower hemisphere, it
tends to be ah, okay, this is alifetime dedicated to healing
self, healing family, healingthose more like inner things
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that we deal with more than avery like public um or visible
life, if that makes sense.
Yes.
Okay.
So you're um so interesting withyou when I look at your, there's
a point on your chart and it'scalled the South Node.
And I that's as much as you needto know.
You don't need to know any moreelse.
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But if you looked at your ownbirth chart or if someone was
interested and pulled their ownbirth chart, your south node is
the point that in evolutionaryastrology we say tells you about
a past life signature.
And there's some more, you know,technical mumbo jumbo that will
go into the analysis.
But immediately when I see yourself node, it is this idea that
um your self node is in Aries inthe first house, and it's
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conjunct Saturn.
And when I Aries, warrior,leadership, like
action-oriented, fiercedetermination, right?
All that kind of stuff is Aries,then it's in the first house,
which Aries rules.
And the first house is againleadership, um, uh, like
dedication, patriotism.
That's all like very first housestuff.
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And then yours is sittingconjunct Saturn, which is
discipline, loyalty, and allthis.
So immediately when I see yourself-note, I would say this is a
lifetime where you probablyliterally or metaphorically like
died with your boots on.
It's that kind of energy.
It is, there's a lot moresynopsis here, but it is
somebody who was in a positionof leadership, somebody who had
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to make really difficultdecisions with really limited
information that impacted largegroups of people.
And those positions, we look upto our leaders, right?
Tell us what to do.
Where do we go?
What should we do?
They're here to save us.
That is a tremendous amount ofresponsibility and duty and
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sacrifice to put on a person.
And so, with that South Nodesignature, when I look at you, I
would see somebody who wasfiercely loyal to whatever this
cause was that you were battlingfor.
And that could be a politicalcause, it could be a literal
like battlefield cause, it couldbe any of those things.
But but at least one of theselives of yours was one where
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you're a very courageous, loyalperson in leadership that had to
lead people having incompleteinformation, maybe not even
perfect information, and wereresponsible for a lot of
people's livelihood, outcome,maybe even lives, right?
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Um and so I see then this verylike leadership can be lonely,
right?
We look at our leaders and wethink, like, oh, they have it so
great and they're in thisposition of authority.
Leadership is also very lonely.
And it's hard when you'releading a group of people to
make what you think is the nextbest decision, but you don't
know for sure.
And there's a anyone who's owneda business and had employees,
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right?
Like I worry about my employeesand I'm like, oh my gosh, you
know, you've had those timeswhere it's like, we got to make
payroll this week or whatever,right?
Or your or your kids, you haveto be a leader to your kids or
your community that you'rebuilding.
But there's a tremendous amountof sacrifice that goes into
leadership.
Um, and so your past life isthis um really, really
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prominent.
Some people's south nodes areharder to put together.
Yours is like uh intenselyobviously pointing at somebody
who either like died for a causeor took things all the way to
the end for a cause that theybelieved in, but was responsible
for large groups of people andreally big decision making and
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felt very strongly about thepurpose and the responsibility
of that.
Yeah.
So then I see when you whenyou're born, right?
You're born with all theseCapricorn superpowers because
you've you've been a leader,you've had to make tough
decisions, you care a lot aboutfairness and and justice and the
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right choice and the rightoutcome.
Um, there's also these reallyVirgo quantities, qualities
there that are really wanting tobe of service.
My guess is your whole life hasbeen a lot about wanting to be
helpful, having a desire toserve, having a desire to be in
service to a community.
Like there's a lot of your northnode is in Libra in the seventh,
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which just means your guidinglight in this lifetime is to
almost like servant leadership,to really create and craft
communities that are aboutcaring and about fairness and
about beauty.
And that is all kind of thosesuperpowers that are in there.
Um, but it's just sometimes tooalmost like a compulsion,
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probably in your lifetime tolead and to grow and to start
things.
That's such an Aries kind of,you know, Capricorn um quality.
So that is what we seepredominantly in, at least in
your nodal signature, is aperson who was a very
courageous, strong leader thatlikely when you exited that
(25:05):
life, exited, you know,literally with your boots on,
doing doing the work and and andmaking things happen.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Wow.
Yeah, I feel that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Which then again, you know, then we tend to be
born in and like what feelscomfortable to us leadership, a
compulsion to serve.
SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
But do we just bring our past lives into our current
lives to the to keep it going?
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Like to keep that no, no, not necessarily.
It's it's what feels comfortablebecause it's what's known,
uh-huh.
Right.
Uh-huh.
Like anything else.
Yep.
But I think the thing that we'reseeing here, which is
interesting, is you have yournorth, so your south node,
that's Aries in the first,sitting directly opposite that
is your is your north node,which is kind of your like
(25:50):
calling for this life.
And it's in Libra in theseventh.
And what's that's saying is yes,you have these innate leadership
skills.
Yes, you have this um desire toserve, but it's a reminder too
that in that lifetime, we allserve somebody, right?
You were still probably takingorders from somebody or serving
some cause or party or whatever.
(26:12):
And so it's saying use thoseskills, but craft your own
community.
Have the autonomy to build andbe in control of the message,
the cause that's worth devotingyour life to.
Um, because when I see Aries inthe first two, I almost see
almost like, you know, if you'rea soldier, you you follow
orders.
No matter how high up you go,you're sort of always answering
to order.
(26:32):
Everybody.
Yeah.
Right.
And this, this north time, thisnorth note is saying, yeah,
Sabrina, you have this skillset, which is amazing, but you
get to choose the cause.
You get to build the community,you get to um create and set the
pace and the culture there.
You don't have to just uminherit and fight for that
cause, right?
And so seventh house is also um,and Libra are both about
(26:57):
interpersonal relationships.
There's a lot of beauty, um,style, calmness.
Like whenever I see seventhhouse or Libra or Virgo, I say
these are people that needbeauty.
Some people don't need beauty.
You've been in their homes.
That's not to be rude ordismissive, but some people just
don't care.
Like my husband, I love him.
I wouldn't have to be.
(27:19):
I'm like lazy boy, oversizedrecliner for real.
We're doing that.
No, we're not.
We're gonna get rid of that.
I love you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Um and you're speaking my language.
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
You are speaking my language, you know, and I'm
like, oh no, that's not gonnawork for me.
I cannot function and thrive ina community or in a space, a
physical space that is not alsobeautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Same.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
I need the fresh flowers, I need the fresh
plants, I want my crystals.
I I I need it to be beautiful.
Yeah, I saw yours.
Yeah.
I I need it to.
It has to because that's how Ifeel my best.
That's how I can create.
That's how I can even even whenI worked at NASA and was a
research scientist, it needed tobe beautiful.
I I can't create from a void.
SPEAKER_01 (28:01):
Um, how did you make I'm curious?
How would you make NASAbeautiful?
Like, how did you do thatpersonally?
SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
Just my little space.
Yeah.
I brought in my plants, likenobody had living stuff.
I'm like, I need my plants.
And I had a few crystals thatwere more like, you know, my my
ammonite, sort of like myfossilized ones that sort of
weren't so obvious.
I didn't have my big rose quartztower or my amethyst, you know,
but like did the otherscientists look at your crystals
and think that Jill, like Jill'sthe cuckoo one.
(28:30):
No, I think I was already suchan outcast, being, you know,
probably 20 years younger thaneveryone else and the only girl.
Like I worked in I worked in theairplane hangar.
My office was attached to theairplane hanger.
So there were three women in theentire building.
So I was already not like, andby the way, they were lovely.
I never felt outcast, but it wasalways like I was already so
different.
I think people actually almostappreciated it.
Yeah.
Because it was a bunch of menthat are respectfully probably
(28:53):
on the spectrum and just like,oh, you know, like they were
just kind of happy there was agirl in there.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
So how do you okay?
So let's go to crystals, andthen I want to get back to my
reading, but I want like Ithere's so much I think to
unpack.
The crystals, how do you usethem in how did they connect to
astrology?
SPEAKER_02 (29:11):
Um, you know, I started honestly, I started my
four and the crystals becausethey were beautiful and I loved
it.
Because they're pretty, yeah.
100%.
And I'm such a green girl.
That part is Taurus.
So it was like I was soattracted to green.
I'm like, ooh, Malachite andwrote, you know, like all this
maw saggot.
And then when I started to learnabout their properties, I have
found those to be very helpful,actually, really helpful with my
(29:34):
kids too.
There's been multiple times whenmy husband has deployed and my
kids will start to havenightmares.
And so I did a lot of researchon crystals because the energy
is soothing with the right onesto put together.
And I'd make these little packsof tumbled crystals and I'd put
them under my daughter'spillows.
And then if they had a baddream, it was like, hold on to
your crystals and you can talkto them and they'll take that
(29:55):
energy away and you can sleep.
And it actually cured my kids'nightmares when my Husband would
deploy.
How does that work though?
Tell me how it worksscientifically.
Gosh, with crystals, I don'teven know.
I mean, to me, what it is iseverything has a frequency,
right?
We know that from physics.
Yes.
And so different crystals, Ibelieve, are created at
different frequencies.
(30:16):
And those frequencies can assistus.
Anyone who's had a sound bath orworked with sulfageo frequencies
or tincture bells for energyclearing, sound is a frequency
that can that can permeate.
And so crystals have frequenciesthat I believe can also permeate
and help based on the qualitiesand also based on where we are
in our life, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:37):
Okay, wait.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
So hold on, because I love the science background.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna like soakit up.
So obviously I love crystals.
I think they're absolutelybeautiful.
But like, yes, I believeeverything has a frequency.
It's not that I believe it'sjust science, but so does this
pen.
So but but is it this frequencyis lower in the okay, right?
Denser.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
And so I think because the earth creates
crystals, mankind createspencils, right?
This is manufactured in a lab ata dense low frequency, whereas
our crystals are created in theearth through the natural
processes of like millions ofyears of the earth's magic.
Yeah.
Um, I need to go back to schoolto get a geology degree.
(31:18):
That would be my name.
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
Need to, because I need you to have you back.
I know because I do.
I'm like, okay, the I wonder,like, look, I have cell, I have
them all over the house becauseI think they're beautiful.
And but then I'm like, I reallywould love to understand the
dumbed down version of like, whyam I attracted to them?
Because oh, tumble rock,whatever that you get air, like
a river rock, that has afrequency to it.
But why, what's the difference?
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
Yeah.
No, you're right.
You're right.
I mean, the difference sometimesis just the fact that the ones
that we can buy have beenpolished or shaped, and
sometimes that adds to thebeauty.
But I mean, I call them feralcrystals, and my kids pick up
feral crystals all the time andwe bring them home.
So we have little like beautifuldishes filled with feral
crystals too that maybe haven'tbeen polished and shine, but
they're like, they're beautiful,right?
Same thing with feathers.
(32:00):
I'm like a total collector offeathers.
I'm like, ooh, pretty feather.
Let's pick it up.
Um, but yeah, I mean, I I boughta crystal shop.
So like eight stars also I havea crystal shop, a retail shop,
because I love crystals so muchand I love the contribution that
they make.
And I've had experiences whereeven if I don't know the exact
geology behind the crystal, ithas impacted or made a
(32:23):
difference in an intention thatI had, whether that was
protection or um celestite iswhat I used for my kids for good
dreams and calm sleep.
Um, I've used a lot of moonstonefor myself as I'm entering the
fun phase of periomenopause forlike hormone balancing.
Yes.
Yay.
The change.
I'm trying to celebrate it.
(32:44):
Sometimes I celebrate it.
Sometimes I'm like, ugh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
Depends on the day.
So okay, wait, but go out.
I'm gonna put the car in reversebecause I want to go back to
what you said of just thedifferent types of astrology.
Um so what in in like reallyjust bullet points, like what
are the different types and howdo you know which one feels
right for you to like go into?
SPEAKER_02 (33:06):
Yeah, so um Vedic astrology is primarily utilized
or comes out of India.
And so it has its own umproperties and similarities.
I think they all have a baselinethat's pretty similar.
It's just a little bit ofchanges.
I don't know all the differentones specifically.
Um, there's also like you canjust look at astrology as a
(33:28):
lens, but you can you can diceit differently, right?
So, like whole house systems, umI think it's called side reel
systems, uh placidus system,which is which evolutionary
astrology.
I think the whole thing thoughis honestly the scientists in
me, experiment.
Try it.
Experiment, okay.
(33:48):
Right?
Like, because some people, um,some people get an evolutionary
astrology reading and they'relike, it's interesting, but I
don't know that it's necessarilyfor me.
That's totally fine.
Um, I you know what I've gottenreally into lately is um
astrocartography, where yourbirth chart gets laid out over a
global map.
Yes, that blows my flippingmind.
And I just had mine rod and I'mlike, oh, so this is a new
rabbit hole I want to go down,right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
Like I just had um uh someone on the podcast who
was uh an astro astrologist.
Ask oh, is that no?
What did I anyway?
I can't I still couldn't say itin the podcast, but if anyone is
listening, you know what youcould put it in chat GPT as
well.
You could do you could find yourmap and then upload it to chat
GPT and it'll kind of dumb itdown for you, just an FYI.
SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Yeah, and it's fascinating.
Like the the marks on there werevery accurate.
Um so yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
I love I think there's just so many.
Listen, whether you're intoastrology or not, I I find all
these things fascinating becauseyou know, this it can't be as
simple as we think it is.
And I do believe that there'smore to this life.
And there we are here forcertain, you know, like I call
(35:00):
it human school.
We're here for certain lessons.
And for me, uh I had anastrology my reading done a few
years ago.
Um, and there's just and I'vehad readings before, but this
woman was so incredible thatthere was no way she didn't know
who I was, like she didn't knowanything, she didn't even have
social media, and and it was sospot on.
(35:22):
And it gave me at that point,just like you, I was in like
this weird in-between funk.
And it just gave me a little bitof breathing room, knowing full
like I'm not crazy.
This makes sense, this is whereI'm going.
Take a deep breath.
That's right.
I think it allows you to giveyourself a little grace, yes,
and permission.
Jill, thank you so much.
(35:43):
I uh get we I have to do a parttwo.
I just you you're you don'teven, it's not even an if and or
but about it.
Like you're doing it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:50):
I would love to anytime because we also have
like big, big, massive transits,right?
So this is our personalizedbirth chart, but we also have
these huge transits.
We have Pluto that just movedback into Aquarius, hasn't been
there for 250 years.
Uh, Neptune is moving into Ariesin January, hasn't been there
since the start of like theCivil War.
(36:11):
Like we have these huge, massivetransits that are happening
right now that if people arefeeling stuck, the astrology is
starting to get a lot of forwardmomentum moving into 2026 too.
So again, I think even if youdon't believe in astrology, it's
nice to kind of just know orhave a general awareness because
there's a chance that there'sjust a cosmic weather forecast
(36:32):
happening that's contributing tothe to the feeling of stuckness,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yes, yes.
So Jill, Jill, her website iseightstars.co, eight-a- uh
e-i-g, like obviously stars.co,C O.
Um, she does readings.
She also has her um freeworkbook that is online.
Um, and she does privatereadings.
(36:55):
So you could book a privatereading.
Um, Jill, thank you so much.
If you're listening, obviouslyplease rate and review the
podcast.
But also all of Jill'sinformation will be down in the
notes just in case you're on awalk.
Thank you so much, Jill.
Thank you.
Welcome to Redesigning Life.
I'm your host, Sabrina Soto, andthis is the space where we have
honest conversations aboutpersonal growth, mindset shifts,
and creating a life that feelstruly aligned.
In each episode, I'll talk toexperts in their fields who
share their insights to help youstep into your higher self.
Let's redesign your life fromthe inside out.
SPEAKER_01 (00:21):
Welcome to Redesigning Life, another
episode.
This one's gonna be good andjuicy because today I have Jill
Brown with us.
Jill is a former NASA researchscientist who's turned into an
evolutionary astrologer.
She founded Eight StarsAstrology.
Jill, I am so excited to getstarted because I know you
(00:43):
pulled my chart.
Thank you for being here.
I'm so excited.
Thank you for having me,Sabrina.
Oh my gosh.
So, first of all, I want to knowabout astrology and how I think
some people look at astrologyand they think it's just woo-woo
psychic stuff.
But I mean, you are it's to me,I'm so impressed with your
(01:04):
background.
I mean, like you were ascientist.
And like if you believe inastrology and it guiding our
lives, it's it's real.
So how is astrology reallyscience?
SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
Yeah, I think it's interesting because people I
hear that often from folks.
I and they'll say stuff like,well, I don't believe in
astrology or astrology's vanity,et cetera.
And what I think is interestingabout that is to me, astrology
is essentially a cosmicforecast, the same way we have
meteorology that predicts it hasforecasting models.
We can help predict the weather.
(01:37):
We can tell you where we think astorm's coming in, right?
Different fronts moving around.
That's what astrology is.
It is the science of cosmicactivities and cosmic transits.
And with those transits andactivities are correlated
events, correlated energies,correlated um, you know,
interplays of energy.
And so I always think it's funnybecause I'm like, well, you
(01:59):
don't have to believe inmeteorology as a science, but
it's happening, whether youbelieve it or not.
So you may as well kind of learnabout it and check the weather
forecast.
It's the same with astrology.
And how does that work?
Like, how does it work?
How does it work?
So it's um, well, it'sinteresting because it's
actually based on astronomy,right?
We all know that the planetsrotate, the planets orbit, the
(02:21):
planets have all these differentinteractions.
And astrology is just centuriesof studying those same astronomy
movements and then observingenergetic patterns and um uh,
you know, qualities and traitsand characteristics that
correspond with those planets,those movements and the astrolog
the astronomy, you know, aspectsof it.
(02:42):
So it is scientific.
In fact, in, you know, I thinkwe discredit our ancestors as
being very um stupid for lack ofa better word.
Like we look back and we'relike, oh ha ha ha, they were
using astrology, like what abunch of idiots.
We have science now.
But it it was a form of scienceand remains a form of science.
It's observable, it'srepeatable, it has patterns,
(03:05):
right?
And those are all the thingsthat we look for in science.
It's just that we also have nowthe natural sciences and we have
the advancement of technologythat can tell us more about
solar systems and galaxies far,far away that our predecessors
didn't have because of certainaspects of the technological
advancements.
But it is a scientific process.
It is repeatable, it isobservable, it is, you know, all
(03:26):
the things that we would thinkof as being scientific, right?
And then you put on that a lensof interplay, a lens of personal
experience, a lens of uh freedomand free choice and free will.
So I don't think astrology ispredetermination necessarily,
but it is repeatable patternsthat we can use to help improve
our life and showcase a missionand help us get on stock when we
(03:50):
feel stuck.
It's there to help us and toguide us.
And then it's our choice how wewant to interact with that, both
in our own natal chart and injust the broader transit of
what's going on in the world.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
But how does it affect our lives?
Like, I that no one's been ableto explain to me how it affects,
like I was born in Miami at thistime, on this date.
How do the stars affect my lifejust because I was born on that
date and that time in thatplace?
unknown (04:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (04:20):
And I would say it's not necessarily that they they
they cast a model and a lensthrough which you can look at
your life and your experience,right?
And the idea, at least inevolutionary astrology, is that
we were consciousness before wecame into this like physical
world and we made a choice aboutwhen we were going to enter.
(04:42):
And that choice is marked by ournatal chart.
And it is trying to tell us,okay, it's it's almost to me
like a reminder.
Like, okay, Sabrina, you choseto come in on the 27th of
December.
And the reason you chose that,if you choose to look up your
natal chart later, is becauseyou have a very specific mission
and a very specific set of umopportunities to guide your life
(05:04):
and your karma essentially inthis lifetime.
You can choose to do thosethings or not, but they're
usually a way to help usreconcile or um or make
different choices from from pastlife experiences because it's
all about growing.
It's about learning, it's aboutchoosing opportunities.
SPEAKER_01 (05:27):
So this goes even further and deeper than us just
being born in these human, youknow, on earth.
And like you're saying, thisgoes past to like your
consciousness choosing to behere.
And then because of that withthe planets comes the because of
that time that you chose is whatyour destiny could be.
SPEAKER_02 (05:50):
Could be, yes.
Yes.
I think it's your highestopportunity or your highest
calling if you choose to embracethat.
And often it's because we had aexperience in another lifetime
that that left a mark for betteror worse, and we're here to kind
of have a new set ofopportunities, right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Right.
Okay, so let's say, like, yeah,in my past life something
happened, and I was like, hey, Iwant to go back there again
because I want to learn how todo that differently or whatever,
whatever whatever the case is.
Astrology allows you to get aglimpse into that.
Correct.
Correct.
Okay.
So what does that even mean?
The natal chart, the Chiron,like what I don't even know what
(06:33):
that means.
SPEAKER_02 (06:34):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I guess to just baselineeverybody's understanding, there
are different forms ofastrology.
There's a lot of different,there's Vedic astrology, there's
evolutionary astrology, there'sdifferent systems, there's whole
house systems, and it can getinfinitely complex, right?
It's a complex landscape.
They are all just differentlenses of studying the stars,
(07:00):
right?
And trying to put together achart and a mission.
So the reason I was specificallydrawn to evolutionary astrology
is I happened to get my chartread right at a time when I had
my first my oldest daughter, myfirst child.
And I was feeling reallyactually quite stuck, sort of
(07:20):
professionally.
And, but I also like had thisdaughter that I loved.
And I was feeling this very likepush-pull between like I have
this career and this missionthat I feel really strong about,
but I also have this baby and Ikind of feel stuck and I'm not
sure what to do.
And um, married to somebody whohad a career in the Navy.
So that was very telling uswhere we had to be, which was
impact impacting my career.
And I have a master's degree.
(07:41):
I don't really want to go livein this place that you were
assigned to live.
I'd like to keep my job at NASA.
Um, and so there was a lot ofstuckness and frustration, even
though there was a lot of goodhappening too.
And so just I thought, you know,I'm gonna get my chart right.
I've always wanted to do that.
And the woman I went to was anevolutionary astrologer.
(08:01):
I didn't know that.
I just picked an astrologer,right?
And she was great and highlyrecommended.
And this woman sat across fromme and told me things about my
childhood and my life and placesof stuckness, knowing nothing
but my name and my date of birthand my time of birth.
And I just thought, what isgoing on here?
(08:23):
How can this person know so muchabout me?
And at the time, all I knewabout astrology was I'm a
Taurus.
And I'd always kind of felt notthat much of a Taurus, too.
Like Taurus is always like, theylove plants and they keep plants
alive and they love food.
And I'm like, well, I do lovefood, but I can't keep a plant
alive.
And I just a lot of it was likesort of not that accurate.
It's like, well, sort of, youknow, you kind of do the like,
(08:44):
sort of.
SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
You're like, yeah, I like a tree.
SPEAKER_02 (08:47):
Yeah.
Well, and it was like they'rebad at change and they're very
stubborn.
I probably am a little stubborn,but um, I really, I really loved
travel and international traveland like all these cultures and
change was a huge part of mylife.
And I really embraced change.
So I was like, that's reallyweird.
Well, it turns out I'm aSagittarius rising, and
Sagittarius is really all abouttravel and other cultures and
(09:09):
embracing education and allthese things.
And um I I felt like I felt likefor the first time in my life I
had a lot of grace for who Iwas.
Like it gave me permission to belike, these things aren't just
random.
It's kind of this karmic imprintyou were born with.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (09:28):
And you have a mission, and being a mother is
um a big part of that, but so iscareer.
And it just was very affirmingabout a lot of things that were
ahead.
I also had um a lot of childhoodtrauma that I was just starting
to process and go to therapyfor, and that was in my chart
that she told me about.
And I'm like, no one knows thisbut my therapist and one of my
(09:48):
siblings.
Like, how does this know this?
Yeah.
Very, very personal stuff.
And at the same time, mytoddler, who was not quite two
yet, one night I was taking, youknow, putting her to bed and
reading a story or something.
And she said, Can I sing, youknow, can I sing to you tonight?
(10:09):
And I said, Yeah, of course.
And so she started singing methis song about it's it's night
and it's dark, and we'retraveling the forest and we see
the stars and we know where weare and we know where we're
going.
And at first you're just a momand you're tired.
So I was like, uh, that's cute,you know.
And then all of a suddensomething kind of just said,
like, listen.
(10:29):
And I really listened.
And she was singing almost likea gospel hymnal or something
about it, it was so soulful andit was not a children's song.
And when she stopped, I said,Where did where did you hear
that?
And she said, Oh, from my othermother.
And I said, Your your othermother?
And I was like very consciousnot to make it weird, but I was
like, Oh, your your othermother?
(10:50):
And she said, Yeah, I had amother before you, but we used
to travel at night and followthe stars, and we were crossing
a river and she drowned.
And I'm like, uh, that is reallyoddly specific for a
20-month-old or whatever, youknow, like a toddler to tell me
all about this other mother shehad who drowned.
(11:11):
And I said, Oh gosh, you know,okay.
And she said, Yeah.
And then I was, you know, andthen something happened to me
and I woke up and now you're mymother.
And I'm like, okay, oh, okay.
And I think if I hadn't at thesame time overlapped that
experience with getting my chartread and learning about like
(11:31):
past life karma, that wassomething so foreign and bizarre
to me, both from a religiousupbringing that I had and a
scientific research sort ofmindset that I had.
It really was like thisPandora's box that opened for me
that I think there's a lot moregoing on here than I really gave
credit for.
And there is this overlap ofyes, we have intelligence and
(11:54):
scientific study and methodologyand research, but there's also
just something that is stillunknown by like fact or you
know, provable, but that's felt.
And how does a toddler knowabout another mother and this
song?
And then sometimes she would seeher other mother and she would
sort of run off and then comeback and say, Oh, my other
(12:14):
mother wanted to see my Easterdress, or oh, my other mother
wanted to tell me something.
And I think in the past, like inmy childhood, we would have been
like, Oh, that's cute, imaginaryfriend.
But it was so and I think I wasjust in this place of being
vulnerable to being like crackedopen to maybe believing that.
SPEAKER_01 (12:33):
And that became the path for me that really opened
up evolutionary astrologybecause yeah, I was gonna ask
you like, how do you go frombeing a research scientist at
NASA to like that's a huge fromwhat I would think from the
outside, it's a jump.
SPEAKER_02 (12:49):
It is a jump, yeah.
And it was a spectrum, right?
So I didn't just like the nextday do it.
What I actually did was I keptharassing my poor astrologer for
like more and more readingsuntil finally she was like,
maybe you should go to schooland study this because you have
a capacity and you're clearlyvery interested.
So then it just started, Iwanted to be a better parent to
my kids.
(13:09):
And kind of to overcome some ofthe uh the childhood trauma I
had, I thought, gosh, if I couldunderstand my kids' chart a
little better, maybe I could bethe kind of parent that could
adapt more to um the guardrailsand the light and the help that
they need.
So then I got into it really tokind of help be a better parent
to my children.
And then it started, then youknow, then your sister's
(13:31):
interested and your friend'sinterested.
And then it just sort of went onfrom there to where I was like,
okay, no, I really I'm gonna getcertified career.
SPEAKER_01 (13:37):
Going back to your daughter, seeing her her other
mother, that was in how did shedid you ever find out like what
was she seeing?
Or how was she experiencingthat?
SPEAKER_02 (13:49):
Um, no, she she will, I think it's more uh
clearer audience.
She she like hears it or shewill dream about it.
But I don't know that she everactually saw, like, saw it.
And it's hard because she was soyoung and I was trying to be
open to it without you can feelthat moment with anybody where
you're probed a little too much,and then they sort of go, you
(14:10):
know, I'm not oh wait, I'msaying something that's weird
and I don't want to talk aboutit anymore.
So I was really cognizant to notpush too hard, but it's more
like she hears and then hasdreams.
Um, yeah, it's superfascinating.
Not one of my gifts, but yes.
SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
And so does she still have those situations like
does she still feel that now orlike not as much, which I kind
of hate.
SPEAKER_02 (14:31):
She's eight now.
Yeah, it's still really startedto curtail around the age of
five or six.
Every once in a while she'll saysomething, but it's a lot less.
But she would do things like themorning my grandfather passed
away.
She saw my grandfather in thehouse with my with my dog who
had recently passed.
And she was like, Oh, Bunka'shere with with Betty, my dog.
And I was like, Oh, okay.
(14:51):
And then my mom called, youknow, maybe an hour later and
was like, Your grandfatherpassed away this morning.
So it's like stuff like fullbody chills.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So she has some kind of capacitythat I feel like um I think she
and I have reincarnated togethera lot.
And she's like a teacher for me,even though she's my child.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
I oh my gosh, I have so many questions.
SPEAKER_02 (15:12):
Yeah, I know.
That's a whole other thing.
Well, so what's fascinating isthere's a series on Netflix that
the um, I think it's theUniversity of Virginia medical
department.
So again, this reallyfascinating place of science
overlapping with spirituality,has done a bunch of research on
children that have past lifememories, and they've gone and
been able to prove the peoplethat they say they were existed.
SPEAKER_01 (15:34):
Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.
SPEAKER_02 (15:36):
It's like it's fascinating stuff.
Yeah, that's a whole otherrabbit hole you can go to.
So that made me feel better too,because I was like, oh no, this
is like a provable science thatpeople are actually studying
with PhDs, where children have alot of times it's children who
have like uh night trauma ornightmares that they can't
explain, like crashing in a oneof them was a child that had
crashed in uh into the ocean ina plane.
(15:58):
And he was able to say enough toresearchers that they figured
out and recovered a World War IIairplane that had gone down in
the Pacific theater.
And it was tied to the the lastperson that flew.
It was this pilot that this kidsaid that he was.
I mean, it's just, it's just,it'll blow your mind.
So it does, it just like keptadding to this idea that yes, we
live in a tangible world and wehave deadlines, and that is part
(16:20):
of the importance of this life.
But there's also other stuffthat's like very cool.
SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
I so I mean, this is gonna be the like the first
redesigning life podcast that isuh seven hours long.
Right, right, right.
I know it becomes a series,right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:34):
It's like there's like 20 more episodes, but yes.
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
Um, okay, so selfishly, and listeners, just
bear with me.
I so I would love to hear whatyou saw on my chart.
SPEAKER_02 (16:45):
Yeah.
Okay.
So interesting.
So when we look at your chart,we know you're a Capricorn son.
Some people have, it'sinteresting.
Like some people will have, youknow, I'm a I'm a Virgo, but
they actually have a ton ofScorpio.
And I'll say the reason you getyour chart read by an astrologer
is they can sort of intuitivelylook at the really strong
(17:06):
energies.
It's not always your sun sign.
I suspect that's a reason a lotof people don't believe in
astrology, is because theirchart is actually much more
heavily dominated in a differentsign that isn't just the obvious
I was born May 9th, so I'm aTaurus.
SPEAKER_01 (17:20):
You know, then how do you know that?
How do you know that?
SPEAKER_02 (17:23):
Um, we you can pull your chart.
Anyone can actually pull theirchart, but you just need to know
your exact time of birth, yourplace of birth, and your date of
birth.
SPEAKER_01 (17:32):
No, I know, but I'm saying, like, I know my sun is
Capricorn, my moon is Pisces, Ithink, right?
And my rising is Aquarius.
SPEAKER_02 (17:40):
Your yeah, your rising is Aquarius.
In in evolutionary astrology,your moon is actually Leo.
You have a Leo.
A Leo.
Yep.
Um, and I think that's thedifference too, is a lot of the
apps will use whole houseastrology, which I love apps,
but if you use evolutionaryastrology, it uses what's called
the placidist system.
And it's it's a more precisemeasurement of um where your
(18:04):
planets fall.
So sometimes it'll sound alittle different.
Okay.
Right.
So um, so yeah.
Um, and then you know you have astellium, obviously.
I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_01 (18:13):
Okay.
unknown (18:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (18:14):
You have a stellium.
What is that?
So a stellium is when three ormore planets are really tightly
coupled together, usually withinabout 10 degrees of each other.
So you have a stellium inCapricorn, which tells me you're
like the ultimate Capricorn,because you get all the
Capricorn superpowers, which is,you know, hard worker, diligent.
(18:37):
Like if we're gonna call someonein to get the job done, it's
gonna be a Capricorn.
By the way, my oldest that hasher um other mother and such,
she's a Capricorn.
She's my ultimate Capricorn.
I love her, I love Capricornenergy.
SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Me too.
Um not just because it's me.
SPEAKER_02 (18:52):
Yeah, no, it's such a good, like Capricorn is just,
they're the people that get getstuff done.
Yeah.
Right.
Like it's just that very muchlike, I don't know how I'm gonna
do it, but I'm gonna do it.
So you've got all that likeCapricorn superpowers.
Um, but when we look at youryour self, the other thing, just
not to squirrel, but your chart,when you look at the wheel of
(19:12):
your chart, if you cut it inhalf, so you have an upper half
and a lower half, your chart ispredominantly almost entirely
upper half, which when I look atthat before I even knew you, if
I was doing a reading for you, Iwould say this is somebody who
has a more um public calling, aleadership calling.
The upper half is very visibleof our chart.
(19:33):
So if you have a lot of upperhalf stuff, it's here for
visibility, it's here forleadership, it's here to lead
and build communities.
Um, it's a lot more that upper,uh, more visible, more public
realm.
When I see people with tons andtons of lower hemisphere, it
tends to be ah, okay, this is alifetime dedicated to healing
self, healing family, healingthose more like inner things
(19:57):
that we deal with more than avery like public um or visible
life, if that makes sense.
Yes.
Okay.
So you're um so interesting withyou when I look at your, there's
a point on your chart and it'scalled the South Node.
And I that's as much as you needto know.
You don't need to know any moreelse.
(20:18):
But if you looked at your ownbirth chart or if someone was
interested and pulled their ownbirth chart, your south node is
the point that in evolutionaryastrology we say tells you about
a past life signature.
And there's some more, you know,technical mumbo jumbo that will
go into the analysis.
But immediately when I see yourself node, it is this idea that
um your self node is in Aries inthe first house, and it's
(20:44):
conjunct Saturn.
And when I Aries, warrior,leadership, like
action-oriented, fiercedetermination, right?
All that kind of stuff is Aries,then it's in the first house,
which Aries rules.
And the first house is againleadership, um, uh, like
dedication, patriotism.
That's all like very first housestuff.
(21:06):
And then yours is sittingconjunct Saturn, which is
discipline, loyalty, and allthis.
So immediately when I see yourself-note, I would say this is a
lifetime where you probablyliterally or metaphorically like
died with your boots on.
It's that kind of energy.
It is, there's a lot moresynopsis here, but it is
somebody who was in a positionof leadership, somebody who had
(21:29):
to make really difficultdecisions with really limited
information that impacted largegroups of people.
And those positions, we look upto our leaders, right?
Tell us what to do.
Where do we go?
What should we do?
They're here to save us.
That is a tremendous amount ofresponsibility and duty and
(21:50):
sacrifice to put on a person.
And so, with that South Nodesignature, when I look at you, I
would see somebody who wasfiercely loyal to whatever this
cause was that you were battlingfor.
And that could be a politicalcause, it could be a literal
like battlefield cause, it couldbe any of those things.
But but at least one of theselives of yours was one where
(22:11):
you're a very courageous, loyalperson in leadership that had to
lead people having incompleteinformation, maybe not even
perfect information, and wereresponsible for a lot of
people's livelihood, outcome,maybe even lives, right?
(22:32):
Um and so I see then this verylike leadership can be lonely,
right?
We look at our leaders and wethink, like, oh, they have it so
great and they're in thisposition of authority.
Leadership is also very lonely.
And it's hard when you'releading a group of people to
make what you think is the nextbest decision, but you don't
know for sure.
And there's a anyone who's owneda business and had employees,
(22:55):
right?
Like I worry about my employeesand I'm like, oh my gosh, you
know, you've had those timeswhere it's like, we got to make
payroll this week or whatever,right?
Or your or your kids, you haveto be a leader to your kids or
your community that you'rebuilding.
But there's a tremendous amountof sacrifice that goes into
leadership.
Um, and so your past life isthis um really, really
(23:18):
prominent.
Some people's south nodes areharder to put together.
Yours is like uh intenselyobviously pointing at somebody
who either like died for a causeor took things all the way to
the end for a cause that theybelieved in, but was responsible
for large groups of people andreally big decision making and
(23:40):
felt very strongly about thepurpose and the responsibility
of that.
Yeah.
So then I see when you whenyou're born, right?
You're born with all theseCapricorn superpowers because
you've you've been a leader,you've had to make tough
decisions, you care a lot aboutfairness and and justice and the
(24:02):
right choice and the rightoutcome.
Um, there's also these reallyVirgo quantities, qualities
there that are really wanting tobe of service.
My guess is your whole life hasbeen a lot about wanting to be
helpful, having a desire toserve, having a desire to be in
service to a community.
Like there's a lot of your northnode is in Libra in the seventh,
(24:24):
which just means your guidinglight in this lifetime is to
almost like servant leadership,to really create and craft
communities that are aboutcaring and about fairness and
about beauty.
And that is all kind of thosesuperpowers that are in there.
Um, but it's just sometimes tooalmost like a compulsion,
(24:45):
probably in your lifetime tolead and to grow and to start
things.
That's such an Aries kind of,you know, Capricorn um quality.
So that is what we seepredominantly in, at least in
your nodal signature, is aperson who was a very
courageous, strong leader thatlikely when you exited that
(25:05):
life, exited, you know,literally with your boots on,
doing doing the work and and andmaking things happen.
SPEAKER_01 (25:12):
Wow.
Yeah, I feel that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:16):
Which then again, you know, then we tend to be
born in and like what feelscomfortable to us leadership, a
compulsion to serve.
SPEAKER_01 (25:23):
But do we just bring our past lives into our current
lives to the to keep it going?
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
Like to keep that no, no, not necessarily.
It's it's what feels comfortablebecause it's what's known,
uh-huh.
Right.
Uh-huh.
Like anything else.
Yep.
But I think the thing that we'reseeing here, which is
interesting, is you have yournorth, so your south node,
that's Aries in the first,sitting directly opposite that
is your is your north node,which is kind of your like
(25:50):
calling for this life.
And it's in Libra in theseventh.
And what's that's saying is yes,you have these innate leadership
skills.
Yes, you have this um desire toserve, but it's a reminder too
that in that lifetime, we allserve somebody, right?
You were still probably takingorders from somebody or serving
some cause or party or whatever.
(26:12):
And so it's saying use thoseskills, but craft your own
community.
Have the autonomy to build andbe in control of the message,
the cause that's worth devotingyour life to.
Um, because when I see Aries inthe first two, I almost see
almost like, you know, if you'rea soldier, you you follow
orders.
No matter how high up you go,you're sort of always answering
to order.
(26:32):
Everybody.
Yeah.
Right.
And this, this north time, thisnorth note is saying, yeah,
Sabrina, you have this skillset, which is amazing, but you
get to choose the cause.
You get to build the community,you get to um create and set the
pace and the culture there.
You don't have to just uminherit and fight for that
cause, right?
And so seventh house is also um,and Libra are both about
(26:57):
interpersonal relationships.
There's a lot of beauty, um,style, calmness.
Like whenever I see seventhhouse or Libra or Virgo, I say
these are people that needbeauty.
Some people don't need beauty.
You've been in their homes.
That's not to be rude ordismissive, but some people just
don't care.
Like my husband, I love him.
I wouldn't have to be.
(27:19):
I'm like lazy boy, oversizedrecliner for real.
We're doing that.
No, we're not.
We're gonna get rid of that.
I love you.
SPEAKER_01 (27:24):
Um and you're speaking my language.
SPEAKER_02 (27:28):
You are speaking my language, you know, and I'm
like, oh no, that's not gonnawork for me.
I cannot function and thrive ina community or in a space, a
physical space that is not alsobeautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (27:40):
Same.
SPEAKER_02 (27:41):
I need the fresh flowers, I need the fresh
plants, I want my crystals.
I I I need it to be beautiful.
Yeah, I saw yours.
Yeah.
I I need it to.
It has to because that's how Ifeel my best.
That's how I can create.
That's how I can even even whenI worked at NASA and was a
research scientist, it needed tobe beautiful.
I I can't create from a void.
SPEAKER_01 (28:01):
Um, how did you make I'm curious?
How would you make NASAbeautiful?
Like, how did you do thatpersonally?
SPEAKER_02 (28:08):
Just my little space.
Yeah.
I brought in my plants, likenobody had living stuff.
I'm like, I need my plants.
And I had a few crystals thatwere more like, you know, my my
ammonite, sort of like myfossilized ones that sort of
weren't so obvious.
I didn't have my big rose quartztower or my amethyst, you know,
but like did the otherscientists look at your crystals
and think that Jill, like Jill'sthe cuckoo one.
(28:30):
No, I think I was already suchan outcast, being, you know,
probably 20 years younger thaneveryone else and the only girl.
Like I worked in I worked in theairplane hangar.
My office was attached to theairplane hanger.
So there were three women in theentire building.
So I was already not like, andby the way, they were lovely.
I never felt outcast, but it wasalways like I was already so
different.
I think people actually almostappreciated it.
Yeah.
Because it was a bunch of menthat are respectfully probably
(28:53):
on the spectrum and just like,oh, you know, like they were
just kind of happy there was agirl in there.
SPEAKER_01 (28:57):
So how do you okay?
So let's go to crystals, andthen I want to get back to my
reading, but I want like Ithere's so much I think to
unpack.
The crystals, how do you usethem in how did they connect to
astrology?
SPEAKER_02 (29:11):
Um, you know, I started honestly, I started my
four and the crystals becausethey were beautiful and I loved
it.
Because they're pretty, yeah.
100%.
And I'm such a green girl.
That part is Taurus.
So it was like I was soattracted to green.
I'm like, ooh, Malachite andwrote, you know, like all this
maw saggot.
And then when I started to learnabout their properties, I have
found those to be very helpful,actually, really helpful with my
(29:34):
kids too.
There's been multiple times whenmy husband has deployed and my
kids will start to havenightmares.
And so I did a lot of researchon crystals because the energy
is soothing with the right onesto put together.
And I'd make these little packsof tumbled crystals and I'd put
them under my daughter'spillows.
And then if they had a baddream, it was like, hold on to
your crystals and you can talkto them and they'll take that
(29:55):
energy away and you can sleep.
And it actually cured my kids'nightmares when my Husband would
deploy.
How does that work though?
Tell me how it worksscientifically.
Gosh, with crystals, I don'teven know.
I mean, to me, what it is iseverything has a frequency,
right?
We know that from physics.
Yes.
And so different crystals, Ibelieve, are created at
different frequencies.
(30:16):
And those frequencies can assistus.
Anyone who's had a sound bath orworked with sulfageo frequencies
or tincture bells for energyclearing, sound is a frequency
that can that can permeate.
And so crystals have frequenciesthat I believe can also permeate
and help based on the qualitiesand also based on where we are
in our life, right?
SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:37):
Okay, wait.
SPEAKER_01 (30:37):
So hold on, because I love the science background.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna like soakit up.
So obviously I love crystals.
I think they're absolutelybeautiful.
But like, yes, I believeeverything has a frequency.
It's not that I believe it'sjust science, but so does this
pen.
So but but is it this frequencyis lower in the okay, right?
Denser.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
And so I think because the earth creates
crystals, mankind createspencils, right?
This is manufactured in a lab ata dense low frequency, whereas
our crystals are created in theearth through the natural
processes of like millions ofyears of the earth's magic.
Yeah.
Um, I need to go back to schoolto get a geology degree.
(31:18):
That would be my name.
SPEAKER_01 (31:19):
Need to, because I need you to have you back.
I know because I do.
I'm like, okay, the I wonder,like, look, I have cell, I have
them all over the house becauseI think they're beautiful.
And but then I'm like, I reallywould love to understand the
dumbed down version of like, whyam I attracted to them?
Because oh, tumble rock,whatever that you get air, like
a river rock, that has afrequency to it.
But why, what's the difference?
SPEAKER_02 (31:40):
Yeah.
No, you're right.
You're right.
I mean, the difference sometimesis just the fact that the ones
that we can buy have beenpolished or shaped, and
sometimes that adds to thebeauty.
But I mean, I call them feralcrystals, and my kids pick up
feral crystals all the time andwe bring them home.
So we have little like beautifuldishes filled with feral
crystals too that maybe haven'tbeen polished and shine, but
they're like, they're beautiful,right?
Same thing with feathers.
(32:00):
I'm like a total collector offeathers.
I'm like, ooh, pretty feather.
Let's pick it up.
Um, but yeah, I mean, I I boughta crystal shop.
So like eight stars also I havea crystal shop, a retail shop,
because I love crystals so muchand I love the contribution that
they make.
And I've had experiences whereeven if I don't know the exact
geology behind the crystal, ithas impacted or made a
(32:23):
difference in an intention thatI had, whether that was
protection or um celestite iswhat I used for my kids for good
dreams and calm sleep.
Um, I've used a lot of moonstonefor myself as I'm entering the
fun phase of periomenopause forlike hormone balancing.
Yes.
Yay.
The change.
I'm trying to celebrate it.
(32:44):
Sometimes I celebrate it.
Sometimes I'm like, ugh.
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
Depends on the day.
So okay, wait, but go out.
I'm gonna put the car in reversebecause I want to go back to
what you said of just thedifferent types of astrology.
Um so what in in like reallyjust bullet points, like what
are the different types and howdo you know which one feels
right for you to like go into?
SPEAKER_02 (33:06):
Yeah, so um Vedic astrology is primarily utilized
or comes out of India.
And so it has its own umproperties and similarities.
I think they all have a baselinethat's pretty similar.
It's just a little bit ofchanges.
I don't know all the differentones specifically.
Um, there's also like you canjust look at astrology as a
(33:28):
lens, but you can you can diceit differently, right?
So, like whole house systems, umI think it's called side reel
systems, uh placidus system,which is which evolutionary
astrology.
I think the whole thing thoughis honestly the scientists in
me, experiment.
Try it.
Experiment, okay.
(33:48):
Right?
Like, because some people, um,some people get an evolutionary
astrology reading and they'relike, it's interesting, but I
don't know that it's necessarilyfor me.
That's totally fine.
Um, I you know what I've gottenreally into lately is um
astrocartography, where yourbirth chart gets laid out over a
global map.
Yes, that blows my flippingmind.
And I just had mine rod and I'mlike, oh, so this is a new
rabbit hole I want to go down,right?
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
Like I just had um uh someone on the podcast who
was uh an astro astrologist.
Ask oh, is that no?
What did I anyway?
I can't I still couldn't say itin the podcast, but if anyone is
listening, you know what youcould put it in chat GPT as
well.
You could do you could find yourmap and then upload it to chat
GPT and it'll kind of dumb itdown for you, just an FYI.
SPEAKER_02 (34:32):
Yeah, and it's fascinating.
Like the the marks on there werevery accurate.
Um so yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_01 (34:39):
I love I think there's just so many.
Listen, whether you're intoastrology or not, I I find all
these things fascinating becauseyou know, this it can't be as
simple as we think it is.
And I do believe that there'smore to this life.
And there we are here forcertain, you know, like I call
(35:00):
it human school.
We're here for certain lessons.
And for me, uh I had anastrology my reading done a few
years ago.
Um, and there's just and I'vehad readings before, but this
woman was so incredible thatthere was no way she didn't know
who I was, like she didn't knowanything, she didn't even have
social media, and and it was sospot on.
(35:22):
And it gave me at that point,just like you, I was in like
this weird in-between funk.
And it just gave me a little bitof breathing room, knowing full
like I'm not crazy.
This makes sense, this is whereI'm going.
Take a deep breath.
That's right.
I think it allows you to giveyourself a little grace, yes,
and permission.
Jill, thank you so much.
(35:43):
I uh get we I have to do a parttwo.
I just you you're you don'teven, it's not even an if and or
but about it.
Like you're doing it.
SPEAKER_02 (35:50):
I would love to anytime because we also have
like big, big, massive transits,right?
So this is our personalizedbirth chart, but we also have
these huge transits.
We have Pluto that just movedback into Aquarius, hasn't been
there for 250 years.
Uh, Neptune is moving into Ariesin January, hasn't been there
since the start of like theCivil War.
(36:11):
Like we have these huge, massivetransits that are happening
right now that if people arefeeling stuck, the astrology is
starting to get a lot of forwardmomentum moving into 2026 too.
So again, I think even if youdon't believe in astrology, it's
nice to kind of just know orhave a general awareness because
there's a chance that there'sjust a cosmic weather forecast
(36:32):
happening that's contributing tothe to the feeling of stuckness,
right?
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yes, yes.
So Jill, Jill, her website iseightstars.co, eight-a- uh
e-i-g, like obviously stars.co,C O.
Um, she does readings.
She also has her um freeworkbook that is online.
Um, and she does privatereadings.
(36:55):
So you could book a privatereading.
Um, Jill, thank you so much.
If you're listening, obviouslyplease rate and review the
podcast.
But also all of Jill'sinformation will be down in the
notes just in case you're on awalk.
Thank you so much, Jill.
Thank you.
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In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.
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