IT: Welcome To Derry |1x05 "29 Neibolt Street"

We finally get an eyeful of Pennywise The Dancing Clown, but we find ourselves wanting more of Dick Hallorann and how he becomes the Richard Hallorann from The Shining. And though we know this Losers Club doesn't succeed in defeating Pennywise, that doesn't mean crazy stuff ain't coming our way!

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
He had that face in the episode so like oh cool, I have that
one. And he did.
I woke up on Thursday with no voice.
Today's been the best so far butit is still a little bit
scratchy but. We are School Walking Dead, a

(00:30):
podcast pulverizing programs beyond The Walking Dead.
Sometimes we bring you news, sometimes we make you laugh, but
most times we go deep. We are going to talk at you
today about the fifth episode ofthe first season of it.
Welcome to dairy and it is called.
Niebolt St. Niebolt St.

(00:52):
OK. I couldn't remember if it was
Niebolt Street or Niebolt House.Oh yeah, St.
Street. I'm not sure what this title has
to do with the episode. Any ideas?
You're not. You're not sure?
No, I couldn't tell you. It was really misleading and
confusing. What a weird title for an
episode. I know before we get started

(01:13):
here, I just want to say something because it's rare that
I get to say this. I was right.
You were right, I was. Right too.
Right you were for a minute, andthen you weren't.
So. Like a second I was very.
So excited. Well, one, the assumptions about
Mrs. Kirsch were also correct, yes.

(01:33):
So yeah. But we all got to be right, so.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
I was, I was very excited about Grandma really being Grandma.
Yes. And so I just, I, I just want to
say. It's rare that I'm right.
Confirmation. But I was pretty happy.
Normally I'm like, oh man. Yeah, I know last episode of the
episode before when we were talking about Missus Kirsch, I

(01:54):
didn't feel like the math was mathing on it.
But I retract that statement because I forget just how old I
am sometimes. She definitely could be like in
her 60s. My mom's in her low 60s and they
look similar age wise so I thinkit was Rob had speculated, the
clown that we saw. Was her as a younger girl.
I think that's plausible. It's plausible because I

(02:16):
realized like we got to this episode and I was like, this is
like almost like climax type episode.
But we still have three more to go.
There's still more back story they're going to give us.
Oh yeah. And it sucks because, you know,
with me being a collector and stuff, toys spoil a lot of
things before shows come out sometimes.
So there's certain things I knoware going to be shown that I
don't want to talk about just yet because I don't want to
spoil it for you guys If. You.

(02:37):
Oh no well actually I follow a girl on TikTok and she's also on
YouTube I believe and if you don't follow her you probably
should. Her name is Sydney but she goes
by Horror Chronicles on TikTok and she is a huge Stephen King
fan and has been watching this show she finally just watched
from for the first time after like her viewers have been like
begging her to watch it forever and she really enjoyed it.

(02:58):
She goes well her and I have very similar tastes in terms of
like horror movies, but she goesreally in depth in a lot of
things. She reread it for this and
catalogued it in watching some of her videos.
I don't know that it's spoiled me because I don't know if it's
true or if it's just like a really big theory, but I
definitely know some stuff aboutwhat's maybe going to happen in

(03:21):
Season 2. Now, I won't say it here because
I don't want to ruin it for anybody that's listening to us,
but I'm not mad about it. I was like, oh that makes sense
and is also kind of a cool idea.As long as it's just theories or
even feels like theories, I wouldn't say that it's spoilery.
Then if what you know happens, it's still going to be a
surprise. It sounds like it's really just

(03:41):
going to be like, oh, OK, cool at.
This point it's just speculation, so.
Yeah. I'll share when we're done
recording if you really want to know, OK?
Well, as long as it's not like shots from an episode.
Or something. Either she said this is where
season 2 is going or the 2 is pretty sure that this where
season 2 is going and it was just kind of a cool concept and
I'm excited about it. I wish I had pulled up the video
of her with the novel because she tabbed it with color-coded

(04:04):
and everything. It's like very impressive.
Oh wow. OK.
Oh, that is. Cool.
It's very cool, Rachel. I think you really would have
liked it. Actually.
She color-coded the book based on like different categories of
things. So the green tabs in her book
are all where there are mentionsof the turtle, and another color
is like all of the mentions of Bob Gray.
And also she read Doctor Sleep, which has more information about

(04:26):
Halloran. And so anyway, she brought up
some stuff about Doctor Sleep that ties back to this episode
that I thought was really cool. And I'm really excited to get to
Halloran's stuff so we can talk about it.
But anyway, Oh yeah, yeah, we just start from the beginning
like we like to when Dave's not here.
It's very smooth when it goes chronologically.
For me. My brain works in a straight

(04:49):
line. Definitely.
Yeah. I was very excited when we saw
Maddie, even though in the pit of my stomach I was getting some
uneasy feelings. I'm like, he's awfully pale,
which is reminding me of Pennywise's white skin.
But he's also been in the sewersfor months, right?
So. God no, son.
Like a son. And so I start talking myself
out of it. He was incredibly convincing.

(05:11):
He popped. I was like, Oh my God, Rachel
was right. He's alive and.
Then he mentioned Phil and I'm like.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, just gettinggood.
And then they were all dead. They.
Obviously did that on purpose though, like intentionally.
They didn't have that. No one had seen Phil's body.
Intentionally. You hadn't seen Maddie die so
that you were left believing this.

(05:31):
Then when they put it in to say,hey, no, Maddie is alive, he
survived. Phil is kind of alive.
In my head. I was like, oh, he's in the dead
lights or whatever. So he's like floating, still
kind of alive, but not really. You're left thinking like, OK,
this is convincing. It's not until he was unaffected
very clearly by the mommy's little helpers that I was like,

(05:54):
something's really up here. And also clearly he's luring you
into the sewer. All of that reluctance to never
want to go back and to not involve the police and all of
this stuff was sellable. So you felt like he was alive in
that moment, Like I was convinced.
I was too. And then when Lily was so
adamant about going back and rescuing Phil, I thought, I
still thought it was Maddie, butI thought, oh shoot, he was

(06:17):
sent. To I felt like he was under the
influence of him, but I didn't think it was going to be.
Right. I still thought it was Maddie,
but like working for Pennywise. Yeah, yeah, we were so right and
then so very wrong. And that happened.
I was just like, Oh no, he started singing a song and

(06:38):
dancing. I was like.
Well then his head just, you know, casually opened up.
It's just opened up, as they tend to do.
Yeah, I was glad to see in the first scene Marge sort of taking
responsibility or not, not really supposed, but like
saying, you know, I told everybody that you didn't do
this to me and hopefully that carry some weight and Lily

(07:00):
doesn't get in trouble and hopefully people.
Believe I mean, I thought about it more and I was like they're
all going to say that she did itand that Marge is just covering
for her because the nurse even want to leave her alone with
her. And until they can prove that
theoretically, God only knows because I guess they could just
throw her back in Juniper Hill because they threw Rogan in in
Shawshank or were about. Hard stance to be like no she's

(07:24):
fine, she can be in here. I think also lends credence to
the fact that she's not lying and I think the adults have to
be like, well, if she really didthis to her, she would be
frightened or freaked out, wouldn't she?
So you would think it kind. Of has to lean that way.
I agree, and the fact that they're still hanging out,
they're still friends, they're being seen together should
matter. I was very glad it went that way
because that's what I thought last week.

(07:46):
I was like, Mark would definitely know that she didn't
do that to her. Yeah, I just was worried that
she was like too under the influence of Pennywise already,
as obviously the pancakes are very clearly.
So it like was hard to tell where it was going to go.
But that's probably the intention, right, Is for you to
be like, oh, I don't know. And even still, this doesn't
mean that this is going to stay.They haven't been back in school

(08:07):
that we saw. So what's going to happen when
they're back in that's. True.
Are we still sort of towards thebeginning of this new school
year? Well, no, because Maddie
disappeared. We were in April.
Maddie disappeared? Yeah.
And then Lily went to Juniper Hill during the summer.
Summer. And then she came back and they
started a new school year. Did they really do that?

(08:28):
Okay, yeah. I'm so lost on the timeline.
Well, yeah. Because when Lily left Juniper
Hill, they were starting the newschool year.
When she got sent there after the most recent time she went
there. Yes, her most recent stay there
was during the summer months. So that Hank has been in jail
for well. Are you saying that time that
she went for like the weekend orwhatever?

(08:48):
Because she was only there for like a couple days?
That second time, I thought thatwas during the school.
Yeah, that was my. Impression she was there for a
few months. Well, OK, no.
So she's been in Juniper Hill, She gets out, she gets sent back
when all this stuff happens withMaddie.
Yeah. Then she gets out again.
She's not there for very long. Her mom takes her back and
that's when she talks to Mrs. Kirsch again.

(09:08):
After the supermarket incident. With her, yes, we just use her
dad. Yeah.
And I didn't assume that was over summer.
That seemed like that was in theschool year.
Yeah, I thought that was only like a weekend.
She's referring to her time there, but we didn't actually
see it. Maybe I just made an assumption.
Maybe I just assumed she was there for that amount of time
because of this deep connection she made with Mrs. Kirsch.

(09:29):
I feel like she made the connection on the previous visit
when she was there for an extended stay and then coming
back for the weekend she confided in someone she trusted.
And unfortunately, everyone's questions about the timeline
have all been about the where's the 27 years?
None of anyone's timelines, questions online or
conversations have been about that specific timeline, right?
It's all about the greater timeline.

(09:49):
OK so Bowers wanted her to accuse Hank of killing the kids
and she wouldn't and he like threatened the Juniper Hill
thing and then at the end of that episode her mom ends up
taking her there. Anyway, yes, that stint is what
I thought was over the summer. I thought it was during the
school year because she comes back and, like, everybody's
still, like, in their little cliques.
Nothing about those interactionsmade me think that they were

(10:11):
gone for the summer. Yeah.
I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong because I guess I don't
really know. I'm trying to think of what led
me to believe it was a longer amount of time than it was.
To be put into any kind of asylum, you'd assume they were
going to be there for a good amount of time, so I could see
why you would think that. But I assumed was a little stint
was just to get her medication readjusted or whatever because

(10:35):
she had hallucinated in the grocery store.
More like a 72 hold type situation than like a big stick.
Yeah, we were talking about Marge in their relationship, and
Marge had made a comment about getting sent to Juniper.
Hell if she told anybody what she really saw.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Her coming around and like being
like screwed up Patty cakes. I'm sticking with my best friend

(10:55):
after this. I should have believed you.
Great for Lily hopefully going forward and hopefully Marge
makes it through the season. But.
Well, that'll scare you out of it, right?
Like you go to do something theytell you to do and all of a
sudden your eyes are like throbbing fluorescent things
popping out of your head and andyou try to shave them off with a
saw. I mean, the whole thing is
insane. Yes, it was super gross.

(11:16):
I think that would be enough foryou to be like, never mind, I
don't actually want to bully you.
I felt bad the whole time. I was trying to tell you I was
sorry and then everything went crazy.
Any other theories as to why we think Marge was targeted by
Pennywise in the 1st place? I mean we don't see any other
kids except our main characters here that are being tormented.

(11:38):
Just to mess with Lily and ultimately it does put Marge on
their side to then come down to the sewer and be another meal
all. Right.
I was going to say, I thought ithad maybe something to do with
her level of fear because she's like a naturally pretty fearful
kid. She's like afraid that people
don't like her. She's afraid that her eyes are
too bug eyed. She's really insecure and

(12:00):
worried about being accepted andshe's willing to do negative
things in order to be accepted. And so then I think that makes
her like really susceptible to Pennywise.
That's kind of where I thought it was that.
Makes sense. We touched a little bit about
Maddie return. Obviously we find out later that
this is Pennywise so. I do have a question.

(12:21):
Has the tent been there the whole time?
Yes, OK, it has. I feel like that should have
been like a giveaway to us that something was going to happen.
It's a tent, but it's like very like circus shapey kind of yeah,
with it being like kind of that weird old swimsuit changing
tent, you know what I mean? Portable changing, yeah.
It also should have been a huge red flag when Maddie said that

(12:43):
Pennywise sleeps during the day and is active at night, because
we know that's not true. That caught me in media.
I was like, wait, what? In my rational, well, rational
brain in this situation, which wanted Maddie to be alive, was
that maybe he only sees Pennywise go out.
And I wasn't really misled to believe that.
But we all know that's. True sewer.
So how do you know what time it is?

(13:03):
That's also true. Another very good point.
My bigger question. We all know Pennywise can shape
shift. Obviously this is Pennywise
taking the form of Maddie, but we also see him taking the form
of Charlotte at the same time that he's Maddie.
Or is that just a projection in Leroy's mind?

(13:24):
I think he's been more than one place at a time before, because
you have to think so. We're being shown one storyline,
but he is terrorizing and killing people left and right
this whole year. They must be happening
simultaneously on occasion. Yeah, I could see that.
This is just me speculating but he is 3 at a time right?

(13:44):
That's. True.
And he was Maddie in the theaterand then also the demon baby
pretty much simultaneously. There wasn't a huge overlap.
That's true too. I didn't know if there was a
difference between him taking physical form or just like a
mental projection in somebody's mind and.
Oh well, probably. How much power that would take
for him to exert because. What's his face?

(14:05):
Couldn't see Charlotte only. Hanlon.
So that might have just been a mental projection.
That's a good point. Only Leroy could see Charlotte,
so maybe doing a mental rejection just to scare someone
is different than taking a physical form to then actually
attack somebody. Probably.
Right, because we know what Lilywas experiencing in the grocery
store. That was all in her mind too.

(14:25):
Obviously the shelves weren't moving around her and and all of
that. So it is definitely different.
And then I just wonder, while he's in this physical form, can
he still see everything else that's going on?
It's interesting to think about the parameters and the details
of these powers and how they work.
Yeah, we only can think of what we know to be a

(14:49):
three-dimensional world where you exist outside of time and
space is this cosmic entity thatexists in 1/4 dimension.
So you can seeing all directionsand being everywhere at once.
Not only crazy, but also incredibly terrifying.
Yes, Rose and the gentleman who's sort of leading the
meeting. He's the keeper, an elder.
He's training that girl to be the next keeper.

(15:13):
And we're to assume the keeper of the.
Pillar, I like the. I think it's the secret, the
secret of the pillars, because obviously Rose was holding the.
Dagger Shard, yeah. Well, one, I think it's this
concept of the keeper of knowledge, like this knowledge
that needs to be passed down in an oral tradition because you
don't want to write it down because no one else is supposed

(15:34):
to know about it. And then two, kind of the keeper
of the secret of like where the pillars are and keeping this
glue behind this prison. But Daniel knew this story as a
child. He made it seem like it was sort
of a legend that was passed. I think there are several
keepers. For all the kids.
I think that there are several at a time.
There might even be the whole tribe knows.

(15:55):
Just just don't write it down. We might teach everybody
eventually. I think that because like, she's
older, she's not a kid, they're teaching her about some of this
information about what's going on, and she has to keep kind of
all of this information togetherabout the cycles and what that
looks like and how many kids go missing.
In my mind, I'm like, OK, are there several keepers or are

(16:15):
they each a different keeper butthey all have a different role?
Did Rose pass on to Taniel the dagger and is he the keeper of
the dagger? And is this girl being passed on
the keeper of like the information?
Are there other keepers? Because in tradition they would
understand it should be more than one person that goes after
Penny wise. They know that because the
successful story is the three friends going together.

(16:38):
And obviously we've seen that that is the successful story
also is the friends going together.
So I think maybe it's this concept of like having several
people kind of share this burdentogether.
That's my assumption. We don't know a lot about this
lore because this lore all new to us, yeah.
Yeah, I also thought, considering what they were
talking about, she could just bethe keeper of records, like you

(17:01):
said, keeping record of these cycles and so every 27 years and
she talked about this big hurrahbefore the end of.
Oh, the black. Odds.
Yeah, it's a big inciting incident that leads to the end
of the cycle. Easter egg hunt in 19 O 8 or
whatever. And the gang Bradley, the
Bradley gang in 1935. Whatever happens at the end of

(17:25):
this. And she does say 27 or so years.
Yeah, another confirmation that it's not exactly 27 years to the
year, just whenever he gets hungry again, we get a little
bit of information, but really we're like, what does that mean?
And hopefully we find out. Hopefully.
You will. You will.

(17:46):
Bridget sounds like she knows something.
You will. Well, turns out what I was
talking about earlier is solidified because I looked up
something and then I was like, oh, that is a spoiler now.
Technically I don't know that itis.
It just depends on how you look at this series I guess.
I like the idea that we're goingto get some more answers.

(18:08):
You will. Always you will get answers.
Always happy with answers, answers.
I think you'll be quite happy. Oh good.
Very excited Hank being escortedto the Shawshank Bus and there's
a crowd of people outside which includes Charlotte and Al
Malkin, Phil and Susie's dad, who takes an unsuccessful shot

(18:31):
at Hank. And Pennywise is there.
Oh, yes, yes, yes, he. Is yuking it up?
Buck teeth. Yuking it up.
Yeah, well, there goes that thought.
You don't get to see Shawshank. Sorry.
I know I want. I kind of wanted to.
See that? What do we think crashed the
bus? Hank said something came out and

(18:52):
attacked the bus, so clearly Pennywise wanted to stop this
for whatever reason, which is weird.
Make Hankel look guiltier. It's just.
Weird though, and then what A twist.
Now we know who the affair was with.
None other than Mrs. Kirsch, which, like, she's me so I get
it. And her husband sucks so like, I
doubly get it. Don't overcook my steak this

(19:15):
time. I know I didn't think he was
going to suck the first time we met him.
He seemed pleasant enough. I don't know, he seemed really
horrible, not seen. Yes he did, and very scary.
Remind me when we met him the first time?
Oh, he's the butcher. The butcher.
OK, thank you. Not the Commissioner guy that we
thought was in the bar. No, no, no, no.
SO. No, he's the butcher that

(19:36):
Charlotte meets. And he seemed really nice, he
did. Minus the boys will be boys.
He seemed nice though, but he was a drinking, yeah.
True, and he was very scary. I didn't like it.
I know because he was just this body in the background.
All of a sudden it was like boom, boom.
And then it was like, he's just standing there and you're like,
that's weird. Is no one going to address this

(19:58):
giant man that's in your living room?
Even Lily was scared of him. To be fair, if I was in her
sheets I'd be scared of anythingin any shadows.
Yeah, very true. Francis, Shaw and Rose have
their scene in the office where she's all mad that he brought
Taniel in and she said give me my nephew and.
I'm glad he's alive. I was a little bit worried,
honestly. OK, then.

(20:19):
I was so surprised because I thought for sure I was like, oh,
we're going to find out more about the Shining.
Like the concept of shining fromthis Native tribe.
They're going to know about it and we're like going to get some
more. No, they don't know about it.
He. Did something to my mind and I
don't know what and I was like, oh man, I thought we were going

(20:39):
to get more. I know.
I thought our theory about what was happening inside Taniel's
mind was really solid, too. But I think after watching
Halloran come out of it and he told Sean, I got all the
information they needed. I think that tells us that that
really was him in there. It was, however, it was nice to
know that other people did thinkthat that was Pennywise.

(21:01):
A lot of other people. Theory.
A lot of people. I think that Pennywise's
influence is definitely there because obviously he has touched
Halloran in some way, which was then made much clearer in this
episode, but clearly he was digging around in there.
So we see Rose pull the Shard dagger out.
She brings it to Taniel. They try to have a private

(21:22):
conversation, which doesn't go very well, and Taniel starts to
say something and Rose cuts him off and goes no, no, no, no.
Do you know where that was going?
I don't think that what they know is really where the pillars
are. Taniel really knows.
Some piece of information I think is incorrect or not quite

(21:43):
what they're looking for. He's in the chat.
David's here. Hi.
Hi, Dave. Hello, David.
I thought someone came in because the screen went weird.
Well, I saw a little thing pop up on the chat bubble.
I was like, who is that? I think some piece of
information is incorrect or intentionally misleading.
Maybe that's what the keepers are.
Maybe they each hold a differentlocation.

(22:05):
No one can know all of the locations because then that
could compromise the whole situation.
Really. Like that.
So maybe that's what that is. But he goes to tell her, I think
they didn't get what they need or they didn't get all of it or
something like that. I kind of thought that's what he
was saying. And then also clearly they were
trying to plan some side thing where she's like, just get the

(22:26):
heck out of there, take the dagger and run, which he tries.
And now we can assume Nathaniel is probably dead, but we don't
know. We didn't get confirmation on
that. We don't know yet.
I really like that theory about each keeper knowing a location.
I think that's solid. I think it's smart.
Would be the smartest thing to do if you had that many
locations. No one should know all of them.

(22:48):
Because I had brought up in the last episode how weird it is
that you would get to these shards through one entry point,
but if Taniel only knows where one is, then he would only give
that one spot away. And even still, I mean, they
made it very clear that these things are buried, so I don't
feel like they're just going to be wandering around the sewers

(23:09):
and like, oh, there it is on a pedestal somewhere, so they're
going to have to dig for them nomatter where.
They are. I think this was intended to be
a trap for the military. I'm going to take them down
there. They're going to get killed.
I'm going to be fine because I have the dagger.
Then we don't have to worry about them finding out what I
know. Yeah.
Suddenly that's not no longer anissue.
Yeah. We're pretty much at the sewers

(23:30):
now, which is good because there's a couple of things that
I'm a little irritated with. Not production wise but just
like what the heck when Taniel runs and the guy just
immediately starts shooting at. Him, shooting at him.
What that that guy sucks. Yeah, and we did.
We we didn't see what happened to him either.
No, no, that guy, I don't believe he got out.

(23:50):
Wait, was he not the guy interviewing?
I don't think so. Leroy later?
I don't think so, no. Yeah, there's a lot of people's
fate that we're not 100% sure. I mean, we didn't even see Lily
leave. That's true.
Can assume that she will get outbecause she has the dagger and I
thought maybe she would run intoHalloran and get him out, but
no, he just wandered his way out.

(24:11):
Probably because Pennywise is like, I'm in your brain dude, I
don't need to worry about you. I messed you up.
So now I'm wondering if she'll find Taniel.
That was a theory. I thought when I was watching it
last night. I was like, oh, I hope she runs
into Taniel and then they're able to get out together.
I hope so. But he would then try to take
the dagger back. So I'm not 100% sure on that.
But if he found out that this group of kids was trying to

(24:32):
fight Pennywise, that is kind oflike their tribes thing.
That's what happened. So he might be inclined to say
like, I'm going to let you have it because you're being bothered
by him much more than anybody else.
She can also find Taniel, they could leave together and he
might not know she has a shark. She could just hide it, put it
in AI, don't. I don't think she had a bag.

(24:53):
Put in a bag because clearly those bags like hide it hold
anything right? Yeah, not Taniels.
This thing slipped right out. It just, it went right out of
that back it's. Like what is happening?
And also now you can't go back because that guy just wildly fly
like firing his gun at you. With apparently an endless

(25:14):
supply of bullets in that gun, yeah.
Uncle Sam attacking the other two guys that were looking for.
Oh. Yeah.
That was so creepy. And also I was like, that's your
fear getting drafted in. Your fear is going to war.
And don't show in the middle. It was like, you're in the
rosary. What in the world?
It's killing me. We have to talk about Halloran.
Wait a minute. One more beef I want to, like,

(25:35):
really, really talk about. My other beef was when Leroy and
Polly were walking and they're like, oh, it's so hot in here.
So they take their helmets off and just Chuck them in the
water. Yeah.
Yeah, there's these things. We'll get more on base.
But I kind of felt like it's clear that they have been war
worn. You wouldn't have done that in
enemy territory, but you maybe would have done that if you were

(25:56):
on a mission. You were like, I'm just I'm done
with this helmet. It just goes to show they.
Were like an active mission it's.
Weird, but protect your head. Hamlin doesn't have any fear.
So true. So I don't know.
He can get startled. Apparently he was quite
startled. It was weird to see his reaction
to Charlotte because I was like,what's happening here?

(26:17):
Because you don't have fear? But again, it's that concept of
like concern versus right? Fear.
And confusion too. Dave, either join the live or
get. Out of here, right?
Because that's a good point. Worst Fanny pack ever, he said.

(26:37):
He said, remember, Pennywise putstuff in the water, Maybe it got
to them, his secretions, which Ihate that you said that, but.
What do you mean it got to them?That's what was making them hot.
Well and clear. Very clearly people were not
acting themselves down there intentionally, so they're doing
things that they normally wouldn't do.

(26:58):
I guess I can't have too much ofa problem with this scene
because they were supposed to beacting out of character and
unnatural, so I guess good job. Them being told as soon as they
went down there, anything that doesn't look like it should be
there, like any person, you know, shoot at it as soon as he

(27:19):
sees his wife. Like obviously he's his wife, so
it's going to have a double take.
But I mean, eventually he pulls a trigger.
But he hesitated for so long. Well, once he shot her and she
zoomed off. Oh, then he was 100.
Percent. This is going to be really bad
because the kids are there immediately.
Immediately I'm like, oh, he's going to run into the.
Kids, I know he's going. To shoot one of the kids, he's

(27:41):
gonna shoot one of the. Kids, that's what I kept
thinking. I'm like I'm.
Gonna shoot at his own kid. His own kid or he's gonna shoot
one of the other kids, Paulie said.
I see them too. But it didn't matter.
It was already too late. He was locked in.
Yeah, an RIP Poly, because that was really sad.
All right, we can go back to it.Let's talk about Halloran.
It's killing me. OK, so he's transported through

(28:02):
this water that he falls into that suddenly is, like, way
deeper than it should be. And he swims up through, we now
know to be a drain hole in the bottom of a tub and very common,
and is suddenly transported to his childhood, which this is in
doctor sleep, Grandma Rose. And the idea that he was abused
by his grandfather, You know that he's going to see his fear

(28:24):
because it's Pennywise. I didn't expect it to be his
grandfather, but the face actingin this scene was killer because
he looked terrified, like a kid would look terrified.
It was great. Right back to his childhood.
Oh yeah. The acting in this show has been
phenomenal all around, especially the face acting.
People actually look scared likethey should in the show.

(28:47):
I like that they kept the he andgrandma were still talking to
each other with the shine well. And I love this the whole time
she's warning him, even though you could take it as she's
warning you against your grandfather.
No, she's warning you about Pennywise, which is cool because
this concept of her being a projection of herself, she's
really her. She's not just something that
Dick made-up in his mind. And then you obviously know the

(29:09):
doctor sleep thing, Rob, becauseyou were, you were excited about
it too. Well, the boxes in the movie
Doctor Sue is I didn't never heard the book, I should say.
You McGregor scanning, right? Yeah.
Danny Torrance. Danny Torrance, Basically
whenever he would get afraid of one of these spirits that would
come after him through the shine, he would then shut them
in a box in his mind and keep them locked there so they could
not torment him anymore until hedecided to open the boxes and

(29:32):
set them free at one point. So this box obviously is your
worst fears, what you don't wantto confront and stuff that
people who can shine can just lock away and keep there until
either a they want to release itor it gets forced out.
So Danny is tormented. Dick is able to shine to him, I
guess to tell him to lock them away.

(29:54):
So he teaches this trick to Danny.
Dick learned this trick from Rose.
She taught him how to do this. That is in the book, apparently.
I don't know that it's in the movie.
Yes, Oh my gosh, it's probably been like. 10 years.
Again, shout out to Horror Chronicles because otherwise I
wouldn't know any of this. But that does sound.
That does sound right, yes. Grandma Rose taught this to

(30:15):
Dick. Dick teaches it to Danny in
order to, like, protect him. This is before he's gotten to
know his shine even better than we see later, obviously, because
he can communicate much further distances as he's older and
maybe isn't even really using itoutside of like parlor tricks.
And maybe he's not using it to the full capability.
Oh, that's a good point, Dave. Dave said.

(30:36):
It also seemed like this lockingup of these bad spirits or this
bad part of the shine limited his powers.
They were mostly touch and proximity based before, but now
he's freely seeing undead Polly,so maybe there's more to come
with that. I completely agree, I even wrote
in my notes he locked stuff awayintentionally but I think he

(30:56):
also could have locked away the full potential of his power
because it was scary. And now with this box open, like
David said, he's Undead Polly, which was terrifying, but it's
definitely it. Was weird.
I think this is going to unlock Dick's full potential.
Which makes sense because. Is he going to start seeing all
the dead kids walking? Around because we know that he

(31:17):
becomes more powerful obviously,and also I knew that King's
works referenced each other, butthis show is like really tying
more of it together to make it this really connected universe.
His books obviously reference Dairy and a clown and Danny's in
Doctor Sleep even. He's also in The Shining, but
it's just interesting to see howthis is kind of like compacting

(31:37):
together now with this show. Yeah, I like those books do
that. I got to a point now in The Dead
Zone where they made reference to Frank Dodd, who is a
strangler in the book. But in Cujo they reference his
capture and well, not really a capture he anyway.
But yes, this character is referenced throughout at least a
couple of books, and it's not always the same exact character,

(32:00):
but Randall Flag has shown up inseveral books.
I mean it, it really is a universe.
All of these characters, all of these stories take place in the
same. And he's done that for years.
Oh yeah. So it's so it's cool to see it
being utilized in a fun way. Yes, Randall Flagg is in the
stand behind the Eyes of the Dragon.

(32:20):
And it's not even just that one.It's a ton of names.
It's not always the same character, but you see a lot of
the same names show up too. And Oh my gosh, the memory power
it would take to like remember all of these characters and
bring them back and, and have them tie in in a way that makes
sense. So for for someone to finally
like utilize those little touches that he's included is is

(32:42):
actually really. Yeah.
And not have it completely mess up the timelines.
That's really good, Rob. I think it was.
You said we were going to see Pennywise sooner than later.
We sure. Did.
I said last episode that's it. They don't have scars.
Guard money for the last 4 episodes.
We get one episode with them. They have scars.

(33:04):
Guard money. Come on now.
I'm a surprise because you can assume we'll probably see him at
least a little bit in the next couple episodes.
So I was kind of surprised. But it seems like he really
wanted to do this, otherwise he wouldn't have signed on for it.
So I think he's genuinely a fan of the role.
Why not just make a little moneywhile you're doing something you

(33:26):
like? You just a tiny bit, you know.
OK, as funny as it was to watch these kids tripping balls,
ultimately those pills didn't really help them much.
Didn't they? No, not at all.
Literally. Arguably would make it worse.
I don't know if you've ever beenstoned in any kind of way that

(33:47):
doesn't get better. Like when you're scared times.
No, it makes it much, much worse.
So much worse. Yeah, it was funny.
I mean, I enjoyed the. Comedic relief.
The hand holding was really whatkilled me.
When they turned around and they're like, everybody's
tripping or whatever. It was really weird.
And then all of a sudden it was like, wait, are you guys holding

(34:07):
hands? The sound effects stopped.
Like the delay on their voices stopped and they were like, no.
Which is like, yeah, yeah. It was so cute because from the
beginning he said she's got the best face.
And I was like, that's so cute. I don't know why you like, it's
just adorable. You just like have this.

(34:28):
You just have such a big crush on this girl.
And obviously what happened to her eye is not.
Don't even bother him, you know.Turning him off at.
All he's like, I don't care. The rest of your face is fine.
Did you guys happen to catch thetheory that Marge is Richies mom
in the future? It's a theory.
I don't know how much weight that actually carries, but it's
an interesting trash. Mouse mom, Yeah.

(34:50):
It's interesting some of the reasons I heard.
I'm like maybe, Maybe. Interesting way to link
characters but. Yeah, one of the things they
said was that our rich isn't going to make it.
And so in the future, Marge names her son after her friend
that. That's possible.
That's heartbreaking. Or Richie's actually a junior

(35:14):
and they just never called him that.
Yeah. Well, but we know Richie's last
name and it's not. Oh, it's true.
Sir, No, well, I don't like any of that.
Thank you for depressing me. I'm.
So sorry, I'm so sorry. They like killing the characters
we like. They do.
Which is why Phil and Teddy are gone, but we kind of got to see
them again. Yes.

(35:35):
Yeah. Lovely floating corpses.
The floating latex casts of their faces.
Right, OK for real though, because I'm inclined to think
that that wasn't actually their bodies, that it was just
Pennywise making them see thingsbecause they can't find the kids
bodies. If they're right there, how can
they not find them? Think about it this way.

(35:56):
Pennywise wanted to lure them down using Maddie.
He could have put them there andLED them to exactly to that spot
to then do that reveal. He's kind of dramatic and overly
theatrical in that way. But they haven't been there the
whole time. Is what you're.
Saying no, no, no. I'm saying he put them there for
this refill. That would make more sense
because I'm like who's not checking the sewers?

(36:18):
No one Pennywise controls that whole thing.
He's like, no, he has some news.Are constantly full of bodies,
and in fact they're so there's so that they're just floating
out of the end and then they're like, yeah, they don't even
really look there. Nah, Nope, it's a mannequin.
These are not the bodies you're looking for.
That's what he does, yeah. He does that to them.
And then they just turn around and they're like all clear guys.

(36:39):
Yep, nothing to see here. Yeah.
Beep beep Margie. I like that.
Polly's death scene, I almost didn't believe it was happening
until he's doing the interview later because I'm like, this was
very quick. I guess I didn't see exactly
where he was shot at. It was.
The chest, go get help. It was the chest, so I'm

(37:02):
guessing it was his heart. OK.
I guess I thought it was more itwas like up.
Lower than that for a second when he yanked him out and then
he's doing the interview and he said, so I rushed him out of
there. I thought, oh, good, he's in the
Infirmary. And then he goes, but it was too
late. Like, why did you say it like
that? To get my hopes up?
No, he's a marksman, obviously. So he wasn't trying to hit him.

(37:27):
But he stepped directly in frontof the gun, right?
He grabbed it and it seems like he grabbed it and pulled it down
towards himself to try to get him to stop.
Pull it away from the kids. I thought the shot landed a
little lower than it did apparently.
Probably make sure Earth in him too I.
Was going to say that too, yeah.It makes sense that he got hit
in the chest because we do see blood coming out of his mouth,

(37:47):
which I know is a thing. You could get shot in the hand
and there's going to be blood coming out of your mouth.
But it would make sense if he got shot like in the lung and
then blood would come out. His own chest.
Just something. Something up here, Something
critical, anywhere. And he says to Leroy, it's my
turn. To do the saving.
I'm like, he can't be referring to Leroy because whatever Leroy
did, he didn't. I think it's mentioned in the

(38:09):
first episode when the two of them were talking Polly and
Hanlin. It's insinuated that Leroy saved
Pollye life when they were over in Russia, right?
Wherever they were in Korea, it was Korea.
Because they keep talking about Russia and I'm like, but you
guys don't actually go to war with Russia.
That's not real. It's a Cold War.
No other timeline makes sense because Korea was the 50s.

(38:32):
Thank you. Was Korea.
But they are admits the Cold War, which involved many
proxies. Folks.
I don't like that. Just be on screen.
If you're going to do that, juststop it.
Stop it. So I believe that it's
insinuated in the first episode that he saved Polly's life.
So this was Polly saying I'm returning the favor.
It's my turn now to do the same thing.

(38:53):
I mean, he saved his son. I saved your kid.
It was so shocking. I kind of thought Polly was
going to be a bigger player in all of this.
They haven't really shown him a ton.
He's been fairly inactive. We know who he is and we know
that he's a really big part of Leroy's life, so much so that he
became an uncle to his child. But really, how much screen time
has this guy had? Not a lot, but all the more

(39:14):
reason I thought he was going tobe sort of like one of those
surprise guests, like, hey, Remember Me?
I'm here to save the day. I'm.
Hoping Leroy doesn't end up blaming Will for that happening,
for being where he wasn't supposed.
To be he's going to be furious with Will for me where he's not
supposed to be. Oh, yeah, He moved his family to
base because of this, and this kid snuck off and did this

(39:34):
anyway. I think Will's going to blame
himself for it. But if he hadn't gone, if he had
listened to his mom and his dad,this wouldn't have happened and
Uncle Polly would still be alive.
I think there will be some levelof guilt.
I don't know that Leroy will necessarily blame him for it.
He's going to get who. I would have gotten tanned for
that. Yeah, yeah.

(39:56):
So this will be an argument and I think he'll be banned from
seeing his friends again and stuff like that probably.
Which means he's probably going to have to break the rules again
for some sort of finale situation.
Oh, I just want to go a little off topic really quick.
Just to clarify something I said.

(40:16):
In the IT movies, Mike lives with Leroy, his grandfather his
because his parents have passed away when they're on the farm.
And doing the whole thing with the sheep for some reason was
under the impression that was like a flashback to his dad and
that was Will. But no, that was Leroy having
him kill the sheep. Which makes even more sense now
because Leroy has No Fear and he's trying to teach him.

(40:37):
This is the only way that you'regoing to be able to make it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Which is not the case of the books, Mike.
The parents are alive. The books, yeah, they do not die
in a fire. Yeah, OK, sometimes I get the
movies and the books confused. Well the book is like 1100 pages
long or something. Yeah, that's a.
Big. Book.
I listened to the book on tape last time because I have read it

(40:59):
years and years ago. But then I listened to it
recently. It's 40 hours.
Wow that's long. Most books I listened to are
like 10-11 hours. It's a whole work.
Week. Yeah, it's a lot.
It was when I was working full time overnights as a janitor
years ago that I listened. To inside listened.
To it in five days. Listened to at night in a
building by yourself? Exactly, it was perfect being in

(41:21):
a school at night. That's horrifying.
Sounds good. Oh.
My gosh, yeah. I listened to to books sometimes
to and from work and that would take me so many weeks because I
only get 5 hours done like a week Max.
Yikes. I don't think I'll be listening
to that one, folks. Charlotte and Hank OK well we
see Ingrid summon Charlotte to the base and is going to ask her

(41:46):
for help. And it was crazy that Ingrid
wanted to bring Hank back to herhouse.
Isn't that what she said? Like come back to my house?
Like why? Your husband's there.
Yeah, that sounds. Like a terrible.
Idea that was crazy. Do we think that Charlotte will
take Hank in and what does that mean for Leroy?
Yeah, do you? Know where I have a feeling

(42:07):
who's going to end up though. The sewers.
Hang out. Oh, OK.
I don't know why when they were out in the woods, I was like,
this looks kind of like that area.
And then I was like, that's likeprobably the perfect place for
him to end up. Yeah.
Because they can keep him. And Halloran would be able to
know whether or not he actually did it.
He would know that he was innocent and I feel like he'd go
along with trying to help. I think Halloran already knows

(42:31):
that he's innocent based on whathe knows about what's going on
in the town, Yeah. Yeah, of course.
That's very. I just think that she'll end up
telling Leroy, and that's the only ideal Leroy will have, is
that Hallorans got that place out there because there's no
other place to put him. They could put him in their
house in town. It does seem a little bit

(42:51):
dangerous because you're smack tab in the middle of town and.
Their neighbors already didn't like them much, so they're not
going to like Dick. Anyways, actually goes after
Lily and turns into her dad again.
Yeah. The effects in this show, even
the CG like people complain about CG, but I think it all
looks really, really good. I think even like some of the.

(43:11):
Stuff like that. Procedures.
It's fine. Yeah, like I.
Prefer practical, as does Rachel.
I do, so do I. But it's fine, it's.
Why I love the Terrifier film. It's fine, Davis says.
The Hanlons are not living on base, though.
Think that will change? I don't.
There's no way Leroy will take his family back into town after,
especially after unless. He thinks they're safe.

(43:34):
Or if somehow base becomes more dangerous.
Yeah. Oh, I want to go back to Lily
and Pennywise with the Shard when he runs up to her and he's
about to attack but then he stops.
I thought we were gonna see someone had stabbed him from
the. I did too for some reason.
Oh. I did something, think that
something was happening behind him, but then I could see the

(43:54):
glow out of the water and I was like, oh, the dead.
Do those glow when he gets closer to them?
Is that how that? Works.
Yeah, yeah. Like it's emitting the power
that's the. Some kind of force?
Field. Yeah.
His facial reaction was pretty out of this world, yeah.
Just like out. Of this world I see.

(44:15):
What it was like he was scared. It was like he was pissed.
He's like I was so close. Another stupid thing is in my
way and now I have to go and then he's.
Like. There maybe was like a little
level of fear, but it mostly looks like just extreme
irritation. Going into the idea of effects,

(44:38):
when they film a lot of like thehit movement in the show, I
don't know if you've watched like the after show stuff, they
do the motion backwards and thenplay it in reverse.
So like they're going forward. So it gives you that really
creepy motion. Like when Ronnie is experiencing
like her mother in the bedroom during like episode 2, her
mother lunges at her. She actually acted that out in
reverse and ran backwards and they played it in reverse for

(45:01):
the show to give her that reallycreepy motion.
The imagination behind that justreally works, and I think they
did that for a lot for Pennywise, especially in this
scene as well. Makes me think of the scene with
Charlotte again in the tunnel before Leroy shoots her.
That creeped me when she was in the shadows and you just see her
like that creeped me out. And then she ran forward, of

(45:22):
course, and I was like, oh, not so scary now.
I mean, I'm sure it scares 99%. Of the people scares.
Me. Scares me and I see especially
the Tim Curry version, like who's like running and like
this. It's just so stupid looking that
you like you can't help the laugh.

(45:42):
Like you get a little bit scared, but you're also like
that's dumb. You look dumb.
Tim Kerr is the funniest, scariest person I know.
I know. Even with no makeup on.
I have to say, like Bill Skarsgard, sometimes he does
stuff that I'm like, that's stupid.
He looks stupid right now. Can you imagine?
You not like you would have act this out?

(46:03):
It's like when you picture superheroes, the fact that they
have to do all that stupid superhero movie stuff without
the special effects. So it's them just going like,
and you just know that all you can hear is like fabric
wrestling. So there's no sound and all you
hear is like just running arounddoing like weird hand motions
and you're like, OK, you would have filmed that.

(46:26):
Well, it was an issue for like the Star Wars films with Ewan
McGregor. He said that during the first
movies when we were doing the lightsaber fights, you know,
it's just us with poles. So we were making lightsaber
sounds with our mouths while filming.
And George Lucas had to be like,hey, we do that later.
Recently I saw battles from one of the Harry Potter movies and

(46:47):
they're all in like, they're cloaks.
So they're moving their wands and it's like dead silent.
All you can hear is the cloaks moving.
So it's like part of me is like,that's a little bit embarrassing
for you. I know you made like millions of
dollars, but like, look at what you had.
To do I think the money softens the embarrassment?
Very much so. Great.
Gustin did an interview Barry Allen with the Flash.

(47:09):
He's like, yeah, I feel dumb because every time the Flash
takes off he goes and then he just like, stops and walks away.
They have to fill him doing likethis.
Weird. Like yeah, so stupid.
Harrison Ford even said recentlywhen he was Red Hulk for Captain
America and they said, do you feel silly having to do that on

(47:30):
the screen? He goes.
That's what the money's for, that man.
Is very honest about what he does this for.
Oh yeah. And he does it for the money.
He does not do it for love of the craft.
He does it for the money. Jaws, the Revenge, It was
Michael Caine. And an interviewer asked him
what he thought of his movie, and he said, I've never seen it,
but I've seen the house that it bought.

(47:51):
And that's pretty nice. So he like just straight up did
that movie like for a house. That's pretty great.
This is weird 'cause I don't have a lot else to say about
this episode, but I'm thinking it's just because it was a lot
of action. It was more of a thrill ride
than it was like, I mean, I had Lord and build up, but it was

(48:12):
more just like getting to that, not climax, but a peak on the
journey that we're going throughright now.
So I'm sure I can't. Believe that there's three
episodes, but knowing what I know now, I'm like, that makes
makes sense, yeah. Yeah, David did express he loves
how Pennywise is more creature like rather than a being with a

(48:32):
personality I. Think that's always been the
misconception about Pennywise though.
What's this easy person of all Clearly, Yeah, always has been.
Any human form he takes is. Doesn't mean Suman end well.
And I think it's just like, it'ssuch a memorable thing, right?
This concept of this like killerclown is such a scary, weird
idea that we really like lean into it, even though that's not

(48:53):
actually at all what this is. And he's a creature from outer
space. And and there's a giant turtle
for some reason, you know, it's way weirder than a killing
clown. A lot of people that aren't as
well versed in like, the lore ofPenny Wise or even read the
books and just saw like the mostrecent films, only think that
Penny Wise is just this clown. I don't understand that.

(49:15):
He's a shapeshifter necessarily.Yeah, they understand he's a
clown that can kind of morph a little bit, but he's not always
the clown. So a lot of people were
complaining, like, where is Pennywise?
What is all these things that are just happening to these
kids? I think.
It's just random monsters. Correct.
And I'm like, no, it's all him. It's.
Interesting because I'm like, did you watch the same movies?
I did? But at the same time, I grew up

(49:35):
on the Tim Curry one and the lore is built in a little bit
differently there through the zeitgeist of like being alive
when that movie was popular and also when the book was very
popular. You've kind of absorbed
information about it throughout the years.
And so it is kind of weird to meto know that these like this
younger generation who's only see these new two really do not

(49:57):
know like all of this deep, crazy rich lore that comes along
with us. And when I say crazy, I mean
like, it's absolutely insane. Why is there a giant turtle that
is creator of the entire universe?
Yeah. His natural enemy.
I don't know how many, but I think there's a good chunk of
people who are only watching this show.
They haven't seen the movies either, so they really don't

(50:18):
know what Pennywise is all about.
So that's why they're confused as like, what's this weird
skeleton man chasing people in akiller moose and like, what the
weird pilgrimy guy? I'm glad.
They included all that war aboutthis because it really did help
figure that out for people who just maybe didn't really
understand or know what's happening.

(50:38):
I don't know if you guys saw thething I shared in our group
chat, the other little Easter egg to prove that it was Mrs.
Kirsch. They had the same cup.
Oh, the tea cup, I missed that. But I did see it all over
TikTok. No, it was as soon as he came
out and he said hi, and she's like, hi, Mr. Kersh.
And I was like, Mr. Kersh, They were right.

(51:02):
Yeah. Oh wow.
David, I am not saying that. Also, cook your own steak.
All I have to do is close this chat and then you're not here at
all about. That.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Don't what? What Why?
It was like you were Dave for a second.

(51:22):
I know that was cringy. That was David.
Using the shine he's. Shining you.
Dave just shined through me. It made me say some cringy
stuff. Sorry.
From now on, anytime we say anything, we're like immediately
regretting it. We're going to be like, oh, Dave
shined me. That's.

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Why I was so? I think he says.
OK, you say. That was strange.
Even Dave was cringing. Right it.
Was wrong. That's what it sounds like when
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asked last time. What do you want to see in the
next episode? I want to see the next level of
Dickie's powers. Yeah, me too.
I'm excited to see Lily. I think it's going to happen in
the next episode. Explain to the other kids what
happened with this Shard and Pennywise.
Oh yeah, true. And like what she's going to

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plan to do with it. Yeah.
Yeah, which is interesting is whatever they try, we know it
doesn't work. Exactly, exactly.
So OK, I guess there's is more to talk about when we see the
military going into the house, Neebolt House.
Neebolt Street House on Neebolt.Street house I'm thinking, Oh my
gosh at the same time I'm thinking what are they going to

(53:50):
do but at the same time I'm like, we already know what
they're going to do absolutely nothing because this house shows
up later like this house looks exactly the same so they're not
going to do anything they're. Not going to demolish.
It. That house doesn't look any
different. It decayed to a point and then
just stayed in stasis. It doesn't decay any further.
It doesn't, no. It's.
Weird. No?

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It just stays exactly where it'sat until the losers club wins
and everything gets sucked into a hole.
All right, David, since you're here hanging out, is there
anything we should say on your behalf?
You could just shine through me if you want.
I'm listening. And you see Pennywise's layer,

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and you see all like the floating corpses above it, his
little cart. There's a skylight way up at the
top, like there's a light shining through.
Where is that hole? Yeah, I've wondered that from
the movies too. That's a far drop.
How high up is it? And like, where in the town is
that hole? You can come up and just look
down and see how everyone's floating around.
Does it give anyone else Willy Wonka vibes when they're in?

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The tunnel. Scenes the floating thing like
when the when they drink and Charlie float up to the fan.
Not me. That wasn't my first thought,
but now you mention it. That's what I think every time I
see it. The fizzy lifting drinks.
Yeah, when I saw it in the movies, I'm like, just burp.
You'll come down. Just start burping guys.
Death burps. They're all dead.

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Release the death stave. Is demanding more Hank, Ingrid,
She's like. We need to bust that, I know
that. That's what T did.
I don't know that if there's anything else to say about it,
Dave. It was a shocking revelation.
And her husband sucks. So we like also kind of don't
blame her. I was surprised.

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I thought for some reason the woman he was seeing was going to
be someone a little more prominent.
I guess. Obviously it's a big deal.
Theorized because of the commissioner or whatever that we
thought like it was going to be someone in political power or
like Bowers, his wife or something.
We thought it was going to be like really crazy.
So this is actually kind of disappointing like in terms of.

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I think it just shows the level of the times.
It didn't have to be someone in great power.
True. Could be this big thing.
It was just, Oh no, you were sitting with a white woman.
And a married white woman. Yeah.
Yeah, so. Dave says quote.
Well, red flag. They mentioned as the cycle
ends, the dairy residents go hambecause of Pennywise's waste in
the water. Yes.
Pennywise's waste in the water. You keep saying gross stuff.

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Water farts shine. Yourself, Dave, stop shining us.
His secretions in the water, yeah.
And that's. Yeah, it's referred to as the.
Augury OK. Are they referring to a place or
are they calling? It's.

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This build up, it's a word, the augury.
It's a word. It's a.
Word. The event is the.
Augury is a form of divination where a person known as an auger
interprets omens from the behavior of animals,
particularly birds, to predict the future or understand the
will of the gods. It also can refer to any omen,
sign or portent. It's like a bad omen.

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This is like the end of it. It's going to be 1 big bad
event. OK, really you could call it the
event. You could call it anything.
Yeah, I wonder if they told us what this event is in passing in
the movies. Do we know if anything happens
to the military base? Has it?
Was there a mention of the military base disbanding or
exploding? This one but in the movie The

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Easter egg hunt is in the book that is looking at in the movie.
No, it was Ben that was looking at it in the library because
then he gets chased by the Easter egg.
Yeah, then it's in there. It's in the book that yeah,
you're right, that's Ben that Ben is looking at.
So there has been mention of these things.
Yeah, that happen. I don't, no.
I'm taving and looking up. There is.

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I don't want to say it though. Is it going to be It's.
From the book, from what I can grab.
Tell me after we supper. Okay, I mean, yeah, okay, yeah,
that's fine. We can.
And actually maybe we just call it quits because we're now we're
having, I think we've got everything.
Yeah, I think we're good. Okay, Talked about what we
wanted to see next episode whereI talked about what I wanted to

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see. Anything you guys want to see in
particular? Just more Pennywise.
I want to see more Pennywise thethe action.
I like the action, I love the lore, but I really just want the
excitement you. Know like you want to follow
like 1 character and sometimes and you're disappointed when it
goes to somebody else. I really just want to know
what's going on with Halloran and I don't really care about
anything else right now. Yeah.

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I didn't think that I would leantowards this because this is it,
this isn't this shining. But I am really just interested
in what's going on with him, so I really want to know what's
going on. We know Halloran makes it out of
dairy. What if you get a little spinoff
show for him at the Overlook before Jack Torrance?
I would love that. Well, we are in the business of

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cash grabbing so and I love. That give us more.
Give him his own show though. So cash grabbing, I'll give you
my money. The love that we have for this
character, I think says a lot about the actor.
He's absolutely nailing it, nailing it.
And I've caught a few interviews, just like little

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snippets of interviews with him.And it sounds like he's very
excited to piss people off in his portrayal of this character.
Not in a bad. He's like, you know, how did he
say? I'm not going to.
He has a unique chance to play this character because we know
the future of this character. We know the future version of
this character, but he gets to sort of craft and create the

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origins of how this character turns into what we know, and it
gives him a lot to play with. And he's like, I'm really
excited to like kind of make this his own really, because we
don't know Halloran at this age.It's kind of a empty pallet.
Whatever happens is the direct result of who we know in the

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future. And he's very excited that when
he talks about playing this character, he's very excited
about it, which just makes me love the character even more,
knowing how much he enjoys it. I saw The Shining once in my
life, the original Stanley Kubrick, have maybe watched it
once. Girl, I'm telling you, I love
them made for TV ones. The worse it is, the more I like

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it. I don't know why.
Stan King. Do you like Dreamcatcher?
When your stuff is bad, I'm sorry but.
Well, yeah, the Jack, the Jack Nicholson shining.
I like the made for TV ones but I've watched it obviously.
That was on TV. She's saying she likes the made
for TV shining over the Kubrick version.
Like the 90s shining. That was the Jack Nicholson.
One. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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I don't know what you're talkingabout.
The one with Jack Nicholson was on TV.
No, but it was made for TV. We're saying there is ATV movie
that was strictly made for television.
OK, I don't. Think I've seen it the.
Stanley Kubrick 1 was a theater release.
I don't think I've seen the madefor TV one.
Probably not, because you're very.
Confused about? This honestly I am very

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confused. It's very, it's much closer to
the book doesn't have all the Kubrickism that OK the
theatrical release had. So Stephen King even likes that
one a little bit more. He historically hated.
Oh, he's, he's softened on that now, but yes.
He he has now, but originally heabsolutely.

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Even if you remember the StanleyCooper, there's very memorable
pieces in it. Obviously, Shelley Duvall's
performance. I'm sorry, babe, that it cost
you an absolute nervous breakdown.
What a horrible experience for you as an actress.
And Stanley Kubrick is kind of aDick anyway.
He did get results. I'll say that the man got
results because it's a killer performance, but at the cost of

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your sanity. You remember the hair, Johnny,
You remember those things. But one of the most iconic
pieces to that is this concept of shine.
It's just so weird and over the top and like, kind of feels like
it comes out of nowhere in that version of it that you're like,
oh, OK, So like, this is like aniconic character to play.

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And I can imagine, like, really feeling like I have the
opportunity to make this character even better because
you only know him as the old manand older.
That's it. Old man, even older from Doctor,
from Doctor Slate. You don't know him.
Well, actually, straight up dead.
That's. True.
Sorry so old. He dies in the shine.
So old he's dead. I apologize.

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I've seen plenty of memes be like man this man survived dairy
to get an axe in the chest from Jeff Torrance to.
Save a boy to save a little boy.Yeah.
All right, well, let's call it quit so I can spoil some things
for you if you'd like me to. Yeah, yes.
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