Talkin’ Cowboys: Serve the Defense First?

The full crew is back for the final Talkin’ Tuesday of the 2025–26 regular season, taking your calls to debate whether the Cowboys’ defensive issues are about personnel or scheme. With free agency looming, the crew discusses how big a slice of the salary cap “pie” should be served to fixing the defense.

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hold me to him.

Speaker 9 (02:18):
Patrick, We missed you yesterday. Man, that other guy.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Brother, we forgot to do the drop like with him
on the show. I know we missed the opportunity. Missed
the opportunity.

Speaker 10 (02:32):
Guys, had a little bit of a family emergency. My
my fourteen year old son, he broke his leg. Oh yeah,
uh just boy being a boy, boy being a boy.
We've all been there.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
No growth plates, right, no, right.

Speaker 10 (02:47):
He went to the ortho on yesterday and turns out
he does not need to have surgery. They simply cast them,
make sure. Yeah, they made sure the bone was reset correctly,
cast him up and follow up in four weeks.

Speaker 9 (02:58):
It will assbody.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, you know how tough that is, as like a
twelve year old kid to be like, yeah, I broke
my leg. Okay, fourteen year old kid, uh to say like, yeah,
I broke my leg. Yeah, like sorry, yeah, yeah, you
guys just got to deal with your like wimpy little
things over there. It was, and I'm just gonna come
back stronger than that. It's awful to do it in

(03:20):
the winter break.

Speaker 10 (03:21):
Too, school, but reappear with the cast. Yeah, but see
now they have it. I didn't know this was a thing.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
They it's not gonna miss summer, Like he's not gonna
be like, you know, like he's not gonna be able
to run around outside and that kind of thing.

Speaker 10 (03:33):
They make it difficult to kind of sun the cast nowadays, though,
because back in the day they gave us the tan,
the beige, the white cast.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Their casts are black.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Now silver gold sharpies.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, but then that's given raiders and we don't that's true.
We're not doing that.

Speaker 10 (03:48):
So yeah black to Xavier, Dad is extremely proud of you.
I know exactly how much pain you were in when
that happened. Dad has broken bones before. I know that
was level fifteen pain level ten scale. But he handled
it like an absolute champ. And I mean he's also
he's in karate and jiu jitsu and has been for years,
so he then you're his dad.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't hurt. But seriously, I mean
he knows how intended.

Speaker 10 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, facts, he knows how to manage his pain,
and he knows the mental part of it. So shouts
out to Xavier, love your big boy, and hell love Dad.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
To talk to you later. Very cool, that man. Well
glad to have you back.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Tommy did a great job yesterday. I do you want
to get your thoughts on the Cowboys and Commanders before
we get into news and now, g RG what's.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
That get right game? Okay, defense was a get right game.

Speaker 10 (04:38):
Cowboys didn't play Jaydon Daniels, they didn't play Marcus Marioda.
They played Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson put up the most
points that he has in years. Okay, running backs out
there looking like Adrian Peterson, you know, and I'm not
just talking about Debo. I will say, yeah, Krosskey married

(04:58):
looks like Adrian Peterson. I even tweet that day, I
was like, is that Crosskey, Marritle? Is that ap or
ad if?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
You know?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
All day?

Speaker 10 (05:06):
I can respect Deebo Samuel getting his look back after
Javonte Williams put one of their defenders through the planet.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's fair.

Speaker 10 (05:13):
Love me some good football, some payback football. But the
defense for the most part, it just looks like it
can't figure itself out. And then after the fact you
ask questions about, well, why was Logan Wilson receiving zero
defensive snaps? And then the answer was there was quote
unquote confusion on the on the side of the coaching staff,

(05:36):
the defensive side of the coaching staff as far as rotational.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
So it's week seventeen and there's.

Speaker 10 (05:40):
Still miscommunication, not simply between players on the field, maybe
because he's in the booth, but was it much better
communication wise when he was on the sideline. So I
mean that's another takeaway from me. You you know, now
you have better now you have the revelation that they're
continuing to have coaching issues on the defensive side of

(06:03):
the ball, and that you know, translates onto the field.
So there were a couple of bright spots to Devion
Clowney being the biggest bright spot for me. You know,
I can't stand on that table enough as far as
resigning that guy, re sign him, re signed him, Jaevion Clowney.
He wants to be here. He also said he wants
to participate in some training camp, not for It's seldom

(06:26):
that you hear a mercenary, twelve year mercenary say that
he wants to be in somebody's training camp. He wants
to be in someone's full offseason pro so that so
that he won't have as much rust as he did starting.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
He wants to hit the ground right.

Speaker 10 (06:40):
Full seventeen plus, seventeen plus at the highest level, not
not okay for the first seven and then elite for
the remaining ten.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I like those words.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I did look up something yesterday after the show that
has me slightly concerned with, Oh, come on, way to
be a Debbie Downer.

Speaker 8 (07:02):
Well, it's because we're supposed to speak the truth here
are you talking about the Cowboys having ever the worst
that the most points given up in Cowboys history.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
That's not the one you were talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
No, Oh, that's not what it was.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It's the fact that Jdavian Clowney every year, every other
year in his career has been productive.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
And then he disappears. Then he's productive and then he disappears.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Light switch.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, And it's very back and forth, and it's very
contingent on what the contract situation.

Speaker 9 (07:33):
Is, Kyle. But he didn't have a full season, so
he would be right in the first yea, So.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Maybe it is maybe we're okay, maybe we're we're all right,
But I mean, you look, you look back at it.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
So let's go after the Pro Bowl years.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
So he had three straight Pro Bowl years where he
was fantastic from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. After that,
he goes three sacks, which is okay but not great.
Then he goes zero. New team signs him Cleveland, puts
up nine sacks. Second year with Cleveland, goes back down
the three. Then he goes to Baltimore. New team, what's
up nine and a half sacks on a one year deal.

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One of his best seasons he's had in recent memory.
Then he turns around, he goes to Carolina. Five and
a half sacks not the same, but he signed a
new deal with Carolina where he had more cash. Then he's,
of course a free agent, comes in late with Cowboys.
He's put up five and a half again, been more
productive and less games and less appearances. Does that mean

(08:31):
that he's ready for that contract and ready to take
the step forward and continue that production in twenty twenty
six or are we due to see a bit of
a drop off.

Speaker 9 (08:41):
Five and a half is double digits around these parts.

Speaker 6 (08:43):
Buddy, take the.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Sacks right, the hitters absolutely.

Speaker 10 (08:47):
I don't think beggars can be choosers when you have
a situation where you got Javion Clowney, who is given
the effort that he's giving in games that have no
playoff implications and for a defensive endroom that we have
continuously said is in dire st We do hope and
expect that as Raku will take the next step. We
hope that the Cowboys will address the position with one
of their top one of their top picks, be it

(09:09):
first round or third or whatever, one of their top
picks in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, and then
you hope they address it in free agency. But I
feel like one way to address it in free agency
is to go with what you know, and what you know.
Having test driven Jenevion Clowney for the entirety of a season,
now you know what.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
He can be in the locker U all the entirety
of the season, but not even you.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Also, he can be in the law. You also kind
of did that, not to cut you off. I mean, uh,
you kind of did that with Dante Fowler Junior, and
you thought you knew. You thought you you thought you knew,
and you didn't. You did, and he didn't. He hasn't
done it. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
So so the same thought process could be applied to
Jadevian Clowney. It might not happen the same way.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
It might not.

Speaker 10 (09:47):
Difference being though is again it's it's to your point,
because you make an excellent point as far as the
up down, up down of Ji.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I just want to point it out. I love Jaavian
and I've been very impressed with him.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
But the between Fowler and Clowney was wildly different. Okay,
Fowler is the one coming off of a career season
with the Washington Commanders, Fowler was the one reuniting with
this staff and new staff, but reuniting with the organization,
so they were supposed to be familiarity. That kind of
helped him kind of hit the ground running to make
none of those things game.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
The fruition for him.

Speaker 10 (10:19):
But then here comes Genevion Clowney from a completely different,
different sphere with the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
He's never been with the real expectation, no real.

Speaker 10 (10:27):
Expectations, and he outperforms. So you have an overachiever versus
an underachiever, and that's kind.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Of what you have to look at.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I think when he was signed, though I'm waiting on you,
when he was signed, I think our whole thought process
is if he could get to the production he had
in Carolina, then it was worth five and a half secs.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And he's got he's literally there right now.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Who knows what he gets this week to up that number,
but I think he's been worth what you've had overachieving.
It's just been marginal, like it's a marginal overachievement, but
it is a slight over it.

Speaker 9 (11:00):
It's more than you expected.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 10 (11:02):
But it's not a marginal underachievement, not at all. Yeah,
it's just not under all.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Right, Isaiah, you had your hand.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
I don't believe that it was an overachievement by Jadavian Clowney.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's what I'm saying. It's it's exactly what you fel.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
Yeah, this is the expectations that I had of Jadamon Clowney,
reason being exactly what I said last week or the
week before, whatever it was, when we were having a
conversation about the type of defensive end that I would
like to bring in.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
Big body, big body.

Speaker 8 (11:33):
You want that, dude, because a big body defensive end
that possesses the ability to pass rush as well as
the run stop is more valuable than just a pure
pass rusher. In my eyes, I can't speak for everybody else,
Dante Fowler Junior is just a pass rusher.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Start dragging your words out like that.

Speaker 8 (11:55):
In a particular system, Dan Quinn system, that's where Dante
Fowler Junior has thrived.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
No indictment on him at all. He's just better utilized
and more.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
Impactful when he's in that specific type of scheme. A
Jadevian Clowney body type is somebody that has a greater
chance of having success in any system that you have,
because no matter what, when you bring in different coaches,
you don't want to have to turn over your personnel

(12:33):
as well. Change is imminent in the NFL, So you're
either gonna be changing personnel or you're gonna be changing
your coaches. Right, You much rather be able to keep
your personnel and have them adapt to the coaches should
you need to change there.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Jadevian Clowney is.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
A versatile He's a Swiss knife type of guy that
could play whatever you need and to play you needed
a pass rush, you can passor you need a run stop,
he could run stop. You need to hold the fort,
He'll hold the force, set the edge, whatever it might be.
Every the d is not made up that way.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
And that's what I would like to say about Jay clown.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
But Okay, you're talking about scheme, fit and all those things.
Are you saying that the Cowboys not? I'm not trying
to put words anymore, but do you think the Cowboys
did enough to change the personnel to fit?

Speaker 6 (13:18):
They tried.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
They certainly tried. That was the point that I wanted
to make.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Certainly tried going back to our conversation last last yes yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, they tried.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
They added two new interior defensive tackles, dulf of what
you are a dogs, okay? They they they traded for
three linebackers. Three linebackers. Okay, they went and ahead and
drafted big corner.

Speaker 9 (13:43):
Don't forget about kyri Elam.

Speaker 8 (13:45):
They brought it right, they So they brought in kyer
Elam was not a man and man guy. We knew
that last year right when it was in Buffalo didn't
have the greatest of years. But they brought him here
because they said, you know, he's not a man of
man guy. He's more of his own guy. So work
for this system didn't work out, right, Traded for three
linebackers in most people's eyes, hasn't worked out. Brought into

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two interior defense alignment hit. They hit on that one right,
And then they brought into Davian Clowns. So when you
think about the additions to this defense, Clowney Clark, Williams, Wilson,
H Murray, who else am I miss?

Speaker 6 (14:29):
Sam Born? They brought in elm eight guys.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
They tried, but like you just said, and I think
you kind of just reiterated his point from earlier. You
brought in two sure surefire guys Clark, Yeah, Clark and
Quinn Williams, guys that could probably work in any scheme.

Speaker 9 (14:50):
It doesn't matter the scheme.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
So those are just god and they tried and in
guys you knows first and foremost.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
No see can allude to this.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
It's not specific because it never went down right, But
they tried to acquire other people as well. That would
have had a tremendous impact and would have helped tremendously
on this defense. It just didn't work out financially right.
But so also the point we had yesterday, there's only
so much pie. There's only so much pie, and it's
gonna get worse because if you choose, if you choose

(15:21):
to bring back George Pickens and Williams and Jamonti when
Jamonti was not gonna kill the bank, I think you'd
be able to find somebody compromise. He's gonna want a
multi year deal though, he's gonna want a multi year deal,
but I don't see it being more than you know,
five or sixty.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
He's not gonna be a franchise tag possibility like Pickins.

Speaker 8 (15:36):
Will Yeah, he's not gonna affect your salary cap in
my eyes, right but George Pickens, George Pickens is right.
If you want to retain George Pickens, he is going
to impact how much pie can go around.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
There's there's already not enough pie going around.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So most if it's on the offensive side of the football.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
Absolutely three, you're gonna be paying five people, probably seventy
percent of your salary your salary cap. Yeah, summer, I
don't I numbers. I don't have that in front of
me right now. But dak CD Georgia if he comes back,
Tyler Smith, Jake.

Speaker 10 (16:07):
Person, I'm not worried about the seller, Kip not worried
about I'm I'm not worried about that. There's there's the
pie is finite, but the pie can be you can
find ways to expect to that pie, but to sign
impact players and that. So that with that being said,
you're going to have to let some guys walk, and
that because right.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Now they're projected to be thirty million over the cap
in twenty twenty six, but in which is the worst
in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (16:32):
The guys that you have to discuss potentially walking is
not the George Pickens of the It's not the Javonte
Williams of the world. For me, it's not the Davion
Clowney of the world. It's if you're going to move
on from this defensive coordinator. And it sounds as if
because you can interpret what Jerry Jones said in one
O five three the Fantas however you like. He said,
I'm glad this, thanks, but here's the quote he said,

(16:55):
as far as discussing the defensive side of the ball
and the coaching staff and the quarterator quote, we'll get
to that pronto.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
More than one person had their finger in this.

Speaker 10 (17:02):
We're trying to solve the problem and get better where
we are, and one guy is not going to do
that freeze for a second. So at that moment you're thinking,
oh man, he might hold on. It's not all ebra
flues at all. That's a team wide breakdown. And then
he continued on as far as making it sound one
way or the other, there's no one between. It sounds
like either Jerry Jones is going to keep his continuity

(17:23):
with Matt Eberflus or.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
He's going to clean house. He's a defensive side of
the ball.

Speaker 10 (17:27):
I don't feel like there's any one way in between that,
which brings me back to the point I'm about to make.
Do Isaia, if you're going to make that change at
the fensive coordinator and clean house. Jerry also later in
the conversation with the fans, spoke about his concern about
progress stoppers.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
That was his phrase, progress stoppers. It wasn't tied to Clowney.

Speaker 10 (17:46):
It wasn't tied to Williams Jiante obviously, it's not even
tied to George Pickens obviously. But might it be tied
to a guy like a Jack Samborne or Kenneth Murray. Absolutely,
you see what I mean, might be tied to those guys.
So then if you take that thought probably from Jerry
and he's concerned about certain guys being progressed oppers, not
the guys we're talking about, new defensive coordinator comes in.

(18:07):
What's the message to the new defensive coordinator? Has Jerry
Jones and the Cowboys learned to not look at that
DC and say we'll get your guys, or will he say,
develop who's here like your Mayris Lea Files, you're demr
Fion overshown some of your younger Donovan z Roku Jamar
Shamar James. It makes for a very interesting conversation to
be had upstairs.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And that's where I think dan Quinn had success here
because I'm I'm of the mentality and when you watch
the film going back to twenty twenty one, when he
took over a Mike Nolan defense that was historically bad
in twenty two, when you started in twenty twenty one,
I don't think the talent on this defense is overstepping
anybody else in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
But what dan Quinn did is he developed the talent
that was in the building because and he developed the guys.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
He fit guys to the system that he had, and
we've talked about that multiple times, and then that system
kind of a game.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
His system.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
He said, Okay, it worked here, maybe it'll work in Washington,
and he got a couple guys to go with him.
It worked for a year, and then when those guys
kind of fall out of favor or get hurt, then
it falls into what happened this year in Washington. I
think he was a developer. Mike Nolan didn't develop dan Quinn.
Did Mike Zimmer No, No, he did not. And now
we're at Matt Eberflus, And.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
We've talked about it before.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I like Matt Eberflus. I've always liked him as a person.
I think he's a good coach. I just don't think
it was the perfect fit here in twenty twenty five.
I just don't think it worked out the way he
wanted to. But I also can't say that he's had
a more talented defense because outside of the interior defensive lineman,
outside of maybe a healthy drom Land, who else on

(19:44):
this defense are you confident.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
In right now?

Speaker 9 (19:47):
Really quickly?

Speaker 6 (19:47):
Though?

Speaker 7 (19:47):
I don't want to just because talking a lot about
dan Quinn and what did work here, but let's not
forget that there was a lot of bad too. We
played a season without linebackers, yeah, and a safety as
a linebacker for an entire couldn't off the run to
save your life, couldn't stop the run, which is a
thread that has followed the Cowboys for many years now.

Speaker 9 (20:06):
So I don't want to just say, oh, like the
defense was unstoppable.

Speaker 6 (20:09):
Is that a problem or a scheme problem?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I think that was a scheme problem. I think that
was a person maybe both.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
But you were lacking linebackers. You had to bring a
safety down. You had no interior divas linement, so you
had to try to bring pressure.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
See.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
But that's the thing is they had to bring relentless
pressure in the scheme that made it work. And they
had to bring relentless pressure and that gives up the
run almost for sure.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
So is it a scheme problem first or is it
a personnel Probably personnel, and then the scheme tries to
make up for which came first.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
The egg came first, and that is the personnel.

Speaker 7 (20:42):
But we're talking about the Green Bay playoff game, like
your biggest loss ever, I mean absolutely, But why is
that not a scheme?

Speaker 8 (20:48):
But why did you change the scheme because it was
already because you had you didn't have enough cornerbacks, right,
and the one cornerback that you had invested in for
that year, the veteran cornerback and Stefan Gilmour had a
dislocated shoulder, couldn't play press man. What is like Dan
Queen like to play press man? So what do you
have to do that game? Because of the lack of
personnel change the scheme personnel scheme had a change.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
It's saying on the same page there it was personnel
I just don't think the guys on this defense are
very good.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's just playing and simple.

Speaker 9 (21:16):
Yeah, you don't have an I don't you don't have enough.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't think you have certain certain guys.

Speaker 9 (21:20):
Guys you have some tech.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I don't think either take is incorrect. I know it
all again, there's one one to get to the other.

Speaker 10 (21:27):
Like Jerry admitted, this was a team wide failure on
the defensive side of the ball, which means you have
to assist the personnel outside of Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark
and also who you just paid and wanting to bring
back to Dave Yon in the development of Israku and
you got a couple of young linebackers. You have to
look at it from a personnel standpoint. How are we
going to attack it free agency versus the draft. You

(21:48):
don't want progress stoppers, but you need a veteran leadership
such as Javian Colony because you don't have DeMarcus Lawrence
in the building anymore. And I feel like that's a
great replacement for DeMarcus Lawrence at this point in time.
And then you look at the coach staff and you say, okay,
well it's not all on Matt Eberflus, but it is
on Matt Ebraflus, But it's also on position coaches. Right,
Are the position coaches the one maybe the right guys

(22:10):
to develop.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
The guys that you have. I feel we've had this
guy have and I did that for a reason. But
I'm believing that.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I know one last point before we move on, because
we got to take your calls. But you talked about
whether to attack it through free agency, trades or the draft.
You what has really hamstrung you more than anything in
my opinion as well when it comes to personnel, is
they have struck out on the defensive side of the
ball in the draft. I'm gonna take twenty twenty five away, okay,
because their rookies, Yeah, taking.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Twenty twenty five out of it.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
The guys after before that that you have drafted, And
I don't know if you can look at me and
say you've seen enough out of any one of these
guys for any particular reason. Please, but you've got of course,
rest in peace, Marshaw Neeland, Love you, brother. He was
probably the best guy out of that twenty twenty four
class in terms of the defensive side of the ball.
Maris Leafu, Kayln Carson, who's shown some thing.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
But have you seen enough?

Speaker 9 (23:02):
Same with Marris, absolutely not, same thing with with Mahris.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Then you go down to Justin Rodgers, he was a
seventh round pick, not even in the league anymore. Mazzie Smith,
No Demarvi and over shown. You've seen some things and
he might be the one exception, but he hasn't been
on the fields, so that's tough. Villiami Fojoko, no Eric Scott,
no Jalen Brooke. Oh wait, sorry, that's what offensive side
of the ball. Sam Williams the year before that. He's

(23:27):
still around, but has he lived up to the second
round expectation?

Speaker 9 (23:30):
Absolutely No.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Deron Bland, Yes, you've seen enough there that one's fine,
Demon Clark, John Ridgeway, Devin Harper.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean it goes on and on.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
That's three or four drafts where you have struck out
on guys and you're still waiting on twenty twenty five.
Donovan Azraku looks like he's going to be somebody, but
you still need to see more. Savone revel he's been hurt, unavailable,
and when he has been available, it hasn't shown out yet.
Jamar James has shown some things, but still need to
see more. You can't keep striking out on the defensive
side of the ball in the draft.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I agree they've added some pieces, but none of them
have worked out, and that's a problem. Free agency, maybe
free agencies the ante. Maybe trades are the answer. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I think they've they've kind of started dabbling in those
realms over the last couple of years. All right, when
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Back with Patrick No c Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Saya stand back,
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Speaker 1 (26:43):
I'm Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It is a Talking Tuesday, the final one of the
twenty twenty five seasons.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
I really like those words.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I know we will take calls in sporadic points throughout
the off season, just not right like every show because
we're on Tuesday, so don't expect us to take calls
every Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
So here we go, Mike in New York, get us started.
What's up, Big Mike?

Speaker 14 (27:07):
What's going on guys. I feel like the Cowboys. Yeah,
I know instincts. I wish the season wasn't coming here,
and I feel like, you know, I hope we do
something in free agency. I feel like the draft full
of those things. You know it's hit or miss. You know,
you get guys, you think you're gonna get guys that
are good, and you just don't know. I like to
see us do a little more free agency on the
defensive side of the ball. I mean, I feel like
Quinn Williams in interior's good, but we need lie we

(27:30):
need lie backers, and we need sick indary help. I
don't know. I know there's a lot to talk about Brian.
Brian Flores is our new defensive coordinator. I don't know
though here is it gonna change? I mean, I mean, yeah,
coachem matters, but the players have to do it as well.
And it's kind of you. I don't know, it's it's
the way to see it.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Thank you Mike for the call as always, and he
brings up a good thing to remember when we go
into this offseason. There are names and I'm not even
gonna say Bflow because he's still under contract and he's
doing this thing up in Minnesota, and there's a reason
why he's having success on the defensive side up there
despite not a great season. There are going to be
names that fly around, whether it be coaching or free agents.

(28:12):
Anytime there's a name that's mentioned online that is a
free agent, in some sense of the word will be
tied to the Dallas Cowboys. That does not mean that
there is mutual interest between the Cowboys and that person
g lidity. There might be interest from that person to
the Cowboys. There might be interest from the Cowboys to

(28:33):
that person, but there has to be mutual interest for
that to happen. So this is a good reminder going
into the off season that you cannot put your eggs
in every basket that you see along the way, because
just because a name is out there doesn't mean it's
a real possibility or even that there's any truth to
that name drives the price.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Up and that's the case.

Speaker 8 (28:53):
And can you also communicate to our family, Yes, about
what we can and cannot speak about.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
If anybody is under contract for the length of the
league year, we can't talk about it. So if they're
under Kyle, because that would be tampering get in real
big trouble and the organization could lose draft picks if
little old talking Cowboys decides to talk about people that
are under contract on other rosters. So we can't talk

(29:20):
about that. Let's do move on though, anybody else have
any thoughts on it?

Speaker 6 (29:23):
Was a service announcement?

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Pa PSA. All right, Jalen and Shreveport. What's going on?

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Jayleen?

Speaker 6 (29:30):
Jalen just dropped.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh, Jayleen, but we got Mike in Kentucky? What Mike
in Kentucky? What part of Kentucky.

Speaker 15 (29:38):
I'm just a little bit west of Lexington.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
I don't know if I love Lexington so much. That's
one of my favorite cities. I'm not even gonna lie
so much. Bourbon and good food.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
It's a good spot. What's up that's on your mind?

Speaker 14 (29:52):
I think I'm the only Cowboys fan out here. It's
a little lonely, but you down the fort.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Here, Yeah, you'd be surprised. Appreciate you, Colin.

Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, So I'll be quick today.

Speaker 14 (30:02):
I just want to say how much I love the show.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
I look forward to it every day, and I appreciate
how positive you all are every day.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's just a bright spot in my day I get
to look forward to, and I just want to call
in to let you all know that as we finish
up the season here.

Speaker 14 (30:17):
But uh, that's all I have. Keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (30:20):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (30:21):
I appreciate y'all, Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
But you just said positive in.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Like, what's that about? Where the heck is Corey Isaiah? No,
not today remaining positive on us talking Tuesday.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Appreciate you calling. Thanks, love and enjoy Lexington because that's
a great talent. All right, Hoodie Cush from the bab Boys.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Cush, what's up? Fella tells everybody this lovely day. Everybody
enjoyed their holidays.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yes, absolutely positivity.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Patrick, no seat prayers. Going up to the young man
with a broken leg, you got to tell him to
stop putting his foot up. People jump talking about.

Speaker 10 (30:59):
Well, you know, if it's free and Stoff talking about
the Cowboys, maybe he won't break the foot off.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
I'm saying, Okay, some things are some things are acceptable,
but let's let's get into it. So I'm seeing online
you know shoddy is you know, uh the quote was
we we messed up the rotation. That tells me that's
coach speak for I'm taking bullets from my defensive coordinator.

(31:27):
Am I wrong? And as far as coaching is concerned,
as far as the uh prospects of coaching, I mean,
you got Vans Joseph out there, who's probably going to
uh his his contracts coming up, Steve Spagnolo, Jim Schwartz. Uh,
there's a there's a litane you guys. So you guys
are correct. It takes two to tango. We may want them,

(31:49):
but do they want us? I am big on that,
but that's pretty much where I'm go to leave it.
I want you guys to have a blessed day. You heard,
Happy New Year to y'all.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
So again, can't talk about those guys that he just mentioned.
He was on hold, Kyle, he was fine.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But when it comes to his first point of Brian
Schottenheimer taking bullets for the defensive coordinated, he believe that's
the case.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh absolutely, I think so absolutely.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
He took one most recently, and I respect Brian Foye
most that's what a head coach should be doing.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
Not twenty four hours ago, he took another bullet because
he said when he was kind of pressed about it
being confusion on the coaching staff, because it was Stephen
Jones that said to one O five three the fan
that there was confusion as far as the Logan Wilson situation,
and then they asked him to clarify.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
He said it was on the coaching staff.

Speaker 10 (32:34):
Okay, So segue to yesterday Brian Schottenheimer's press conference. Brian
was asked about it and Brian said, yeah, it was
on the coaching staff. He went to explain and then
he pulled back for a second and said, hey, it
happens on the offensive side of the ball too.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Mm took that bullet again, did y?

Speaker 10 (32:50):
Yeah, absolutely, he's taking several bullets for the offensive coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
And there are a couple times this year where you
can see through kind of his wall a couple of
times just because he is such a nice guy and
he loves to talk, and you can kind of see
there's a couple of times where eber Flus is not
mentioned specifically, but you can kind.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Of feel it. That frustrate frustration.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
But I think for the most part, I think Schottenheimer
has done a good job of trying to shield the
problems on that side of the ball and put it
on himself as the head coach.

Speaker 7 (33:20):
As a guy that's so open with everybody and open
with his answers, you can definitely see the wall when
he puts it up. Yes, there will be certain questions
where he's like, yep, could happen. I don't know, Jane
Blue could be activated.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I don't know who does. Who does and I don't know,
but he'll protecting his guys.

Speaker 10 (33:34):
But I also stopped like he's he's the type of
person that you know he'll do that great jubble of
protecting the guys and then as soon as the press
conference is over, pull that same gun to the into
the offense seat.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You're killing me, small, What are we doing here?

Speaker 5 (33:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (33:49):
Doing?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Have y'all watch The Hard Knocks this season the nfcas
it's worth a watch. It's actually really good.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
But there are some behind the scenes of Shody in
that show that no one on the outside normally gets
to see effects.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And it's really it's He's intense. And I've said this before.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
One of the ways I was impressed with Schottenheimer to
start was the way that he commanded the draft room
on draft weekend. I've never seen anything quite like it.
And one day, if I end up writing a book
about some of the stories that I don't talk about
on the air in the building here.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's gonna be one of the first chapter.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah, the Tyler Booker and the Donovan Azeraku pick both
of those were big time shoddy audience.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Like those were not not shoddy, guys.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
But it was the way he commanded the room and
put a vendetta across the board to make sure that
they knew it was the right guy. He It was
very interesting. It was quite interesting. I hope they make
a documentary about it one day. Anyways, what were your
thoughts on that one?

Speaker 1 (34:45):
For Isaiah? Were next? Call war stories? Three? Maybe? I
don't know one? Last one one an emmy. All right,
let's get to Jalen and shreem parties back. What's up, Jalen?

Speaker 15 (34:57):
How's it going, guys?

Speaker 7 (34:58):
New week and day for here, Yes, sir, it is
just like Jalen to drop one and then come right
back and and call back.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, good stuff, Jalen.

Speaker 15 (35:09):
Today is also today for the Independence I was.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
About to say, is the Independence Bowl today?

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Is that?

Speaker 12 (35:13):
So?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
It's lot of tech and who uh if.

Speaker 15 (35:17):
I knew that the initials are CCU, but I cannot
recall like the Carolina car.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Team that I could.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
It was a new team I've.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Never heard of, coast Coastal Carolina. Yes, oh okay, so
LO Tech in Coastal Carolina. That'll be fun. Are you going?

Speaker 15 (35:34):
I am, Actually it's gonna It's about a couple of
years since the last time I've been out there. But
I have a cousin who's actually at the Louisiana Tech.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Oh there you go, nice, very nice. We'll say hi
to my my good friend, head coach of LA Tech,
Sonny Comby. Good dude, h what's on your mind?

Speaker 15 (35:53):
I had a comment and a quick question.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
All right, okay.

Speaker 15 (35:58):
The comment was actually in reference to a couple of
for being. First off, I'm gonna say I'm a long
time listener for The of the Top Cowboys, and you're
actually talking to the winner from a couple of seasons ago,
to the person who won the Delays Potato ships.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, like the Lays
turf chips it was yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (36:27):
And I was the one who want that show and
my loyalty for y'all all the ones that helped made
that happen.

Speaker 14 (36:34):
Man, My question was, do you.

Speaker 15 (36:38):
Feel that the Cowboys need to both put more attention
on free agency to fill the Greater Boys on defense
and then leave the.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Draft for.

Speaker 15 (36:51):
Uh BP a best player available considering where they are
picking in the draft in the first raft.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Great question, Jay, and appreciate you call, and appreciate you
listening from all the way back there in those laze
Chip days.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Josh, I'm gonna let you start on this one.

Speaker 9 (37:07):
What you got, Yes, next call.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Free agency, best player available? We solve the Cowboys, all right,
that's it. That's what you do.

Speaker 9 (37:16):
That's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
Honestly, it feels like the Dallas Cowboys have kind of
made a shift over the last off season to be
more active in free agency, something we haven't seen from
them in years.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Right.

Speaker 9 (37:28):
I think a little bit of that.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
I think it went a long way for us because
you did get certain guys that are helping right now,
thinking of Javonte Williams, thinking about a few other guys
that really did contribute among all the other guys that
didn't contribute that we talked about earlier in the episode.
But I think that's an indicator of if you're getting
guys proven guys. They are going to help your team
right now. Regardless of the scheme. You need guys, Go

(37:52):
get them.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 10 (37:53):
The bottom line is in the NFL, the short of
the window that you have, the more you need to
lean on free agency, because the more you need proving
guys you don't. You have less and less time to
wait for a collegiate prospect to have a breakout season.
Defensive line typically that's year three, if it's going to
happen at all. Cornerbacks that's fluid, could be year two,
could be year four. In the contract here, you need

(38:14):
guys like a Jenevian Clowney. You just using him as
an example because we were talking about him earlier that
have already proven that they can and still play at
a high level.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And then that allows you to go into the draft.

Speaker 10 (38:25):
BPA have that freedom and say, Okay, these are the
guys who are going to develop alongside and behind the
proving guys we got in free agency. But again, I
feel like if the window is longer, you can lean
more on the on the draft side of things because
you have some time to develop guys, which also means
that you probably have some veterans already that you're still
good to go with. But when you look at the
Cowboys and you have a shrinking window, you have Dak

(38:47):
Prescott still at a high level, but he's in his
early thirties. I think he turns thirty three, thirty two,
thirty three next year a second. Yeah, But when you
have the window shrinking, bottom line is you have the
windows shrinking, and you have the owner in general manager
turns thirty three, and you have the owner and general
manager becoming very aware of his own mortality.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Not to be grim, but that's just the fact of
the matter. Even deccoluting. He talks about it, all right,
He talks about it all the time.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
Window is shrinking. You need more proven guys than developmental guys.
I can't disagree with anything you guys just said. We'll
get them guys. But it's not only just the guys
in their capabilities on the field. You need some mental dogs,
like especially on the defensive side of the ball. If
there's a mentality that goes along and there is.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
A you need to intimidate a little bit. There's something
about your defense right now is intimidating.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Aside from your.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
Every in every dominant defense has an identity. This is
one of the first years, regardless of how bad some
of the defenses have been over the recent years, where
you didn't feel as if there was an identity.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Well they have one. It just it's just one spot.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
I'm saying, like even even star with it.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
We've had a lot of teaks. There's been a lot
of discuss. There's been a lot of discuss.

Speaker 8 (40:04):
In terms of the defense of predictivity over the last
whatever horse has been now.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
But you can go along the line, start at Nolan
and walk your way down.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
You can say which each coordinator brought, what their identity
of the coach was, and how they tried to reincarnate
that with the players on the field.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
You can't say that this year.

Speaker 10 (40:25):
No, you can now like DQ, you can say takeaways,
you can say pass rush, you couldn't say run defense.
But yeah, he's zimmered. Do wa gat You know what
I'm saying, Like fusion twenty twenty five, Well you got
you got Q, you got Kenny, But those came.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, but that's not identity.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Those are players. What's identity.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
That's that's a good point, all right. We got to
take our second break. When we come back, we'll get
to Jamie in Edinburgh, Texas Edinburgh, Edinburgh in just a moment.
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That's the last opportunity like that, like this, yeah, like
that too. That's like this like that, that's nice, Hold
on like that like that, do it slowly?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Not like that?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
No, all right, we got two more callers that we're
gonna get to.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
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Tuesday's been some great calls already, so the pressure is
on for Jamie in Edinburgh, Texas.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
What's up, Jamie?

Speaker 12 (43:58):
Hey, thank you guys along time listener, and just want
to say thank you for QB vision and for lab
coat Dells or two awesome segments. Thank you guys for that,
and uh, I just want to say two things one
two more things. One, Kyle, if you could do me
a favorite? And the U t R G V Vocos
they're the inaugural season was this year they went eight

(44:19):
and three and kind of wanted to maybe for the draft,
U see who could be you know, considered from that
team for the draft. Awesome, Thank you so much. I
appreciate it. And then the I'll nex we'll make it quick.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (44:35):
The other thing too is what would be the type
of decordinator that you guys would like to have on
this team. I know we can't say names said they're
under contract, but like let's say a Rex Ryan type
or I'm going to go way back in the day,
so they wants that type and would you want the
identity of that decordinator to be a front to excuse me,

(44:55):
a front to back or a back to front. And
U with that, I'll hang up and listen to you guys.
You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for everything
you guys appreciate.

Speaker 9 (45:05):
Yes, sir, happy Rex Ryan defense, it'd be foot.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Well.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
Since you asked, I am of the mindset of very
aggressive defensive coordinator.

Speaker 14 (45:17):
MMM.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
And he's not under contract, so you can go ahead
and say the name.

Speaker 8 (45:21):
I've been on the table for for Rex for some
years and I've I'm on that mountain by myself. It's okay,
and I'm perfectly fine being on the mountain. What is
it I climb out Killiman Jarl two years ago? I
have no I'm climbing mountains people, all right. Rex Ryan
is somebody that I will put in the pool of
people that I would like.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
To Why is it aside from his personality, aside from
the name, what is it about his defense?

Speaker 8 (45:44):
I've had to prepare against his defense? So I'm speaking, yes,
you can. That's a problem right into lat.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
No problem, No, no.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
And I've told Kyle this before, and I'm sitting on
this platform before. I've had to prepare. I've had the
the privilege of sitting in a room underneath Tom Brady
as he and we prepared to take on the New
York Jets at the time that was that was led

(46:15):
by Rex Ryan. It was the most difficult team to
prepare for. It was just hands down that that scheme
was the most difficult scheme to prepare for and some
for a defense is one thing. For a defense to
be effective, is one thing for a defense to be aggressive.
It's another thing for a defense to be confusing. Hardly

(46:36):
ever do you get all three. And that was the
one defensive coordinator personally that I experienced on the field,
And now I can say, watching film all the time
for all the games that Cowboys have played, that possess
all three of those those categories for me. And I know,
I know he's a wild card, and I know he's

(46:56):
a big personality and all the things that people can
dislike or like about him, but you can't talk about
his scheme and if he has the personnel with that
scheme and that confusion and that aggressiveness. I like all
of that because you can literally adapt who you are
from a week to week basis based upon your opponent.
Every coordinator can't do that, and I've always felt as

(47:19):
if he can do that, and he's a crazy enough
dude where he is like I'm gonna die my own sword.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
Like if you're gonna beat us, you have to make
a freaking play.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
It's not gonna be no sit back and chill and
let you just work your way down the field or
there's nothing. There's nothing about him that says, eh, go ahead,
you know what I mean? And I like that as
a decordinator. Now, most offensive head coaches don't like that.
They rather be safe, right, So they didn't get the
ball back. So I understand why he's not perceived as

(47:48):
being somebody else should be in a conversation. But I
like what he's done in the league. I like his
personality because the guys that are on the field are
him right. They're balls to the wall, hit you know,
go run through somebody's chest, aggressive type players. You have
to have that personality type to play for a coach
like that. He's not the only type that does that,

(48:08):
but he is unique.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
Now to his question, is he more of a like
from the secondary?

Speaker 5 (48:14):
He is?

Speaker 8 (48:15):
He is line of scrimmage, He's defensive lineman all the
way out to the corners. Corners, gonna be big, physical,
in your face. We're in your hip pockets.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Right.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
It's very much so like a dan Quinn. He is
a which is why I love dan Quinn. Dan Quinn
was that style of defense as well. If I'm gonna
go out, you got to beat me, right. If that's
just my style. Right, if I was the coach, You're
gonna be one b one man.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
Mono, E mono. I'm challenging you as a man to
do your job. You do your job, we win.

Speaker 8 (48:41):
And if they and if they do happen to beat us,
it's because they made one hell of a play, not
because we sat here and watched them run routes in
front of us. Right defensive line, same thing, aggressive, same thing.
If you're gonna protect against us and you're your quarterbacks,
you gonna have time. You're all gonna have to work
for it. It's not gonna because we're rushing for or
maybe we'll bring one edition. No, no, you're getting after
it and you don't know where it's coming from. And

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I love that about these defenses.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I love everything you're saying. I love the mentality that
that would bring.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I love the opportunity that it would give to a
lot of the guys on the team already to maybe
take their game to at the level I think I'm good,
understanding good without Rex Ryan and that capacity.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Now, I will say there are two things to remember.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
One Brian Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator under Brian Schottenheimer
for a couple of seasons in New York within the Jets.
The number two thing you got to remember he was
fired by Rex Ryan as the offensive coordinator after a
couple of seasons with the Jets.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
So we don't know what that relationship's like. We don't
know what that would turn into early in his career.
It was early on, it was back in twenty nine
and the twenty eleven or whatever it ends up being.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Sometimes paying makes you grow, you appreciate those things.

Speaker 10 (49:46):
Sometimes one thing, great, argument, great, great, great, next year
is what twenty twenty six Yeah, okay, Rix Ryan hasn't
coached an NFL defense since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, I mean it's ten years. Our NFL offense is
the same as they weren't twenty sixteen. Not even what's
his role? It's the window long or what's his role?

Speaker 6 (50:07):
What's his role right now? Football?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It's the window long.

Speaker 8 (50:10):
So you're speaking to coaches in our past who have
been away from the game, not tied to the game.
This person you're talking about, somebody whose job is literally
to watch football every day and then talk about it.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Do you think he does that? Absolutely? Absolutely right.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
I'm just curious people who love people who love the game,
watch the game, right And if you love the game
and you're gonna watch the game, and if you're paid
to talk about the game.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
You're gonna watch a game.

Speaker 6 (50:33):
You're gonna watch a game.

Speaker 10 (50:34):
Okay, you're stripping context ten years of that, that's fine,
absolutely call. You're absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
So from the football acumen aspect, still sharp, I'll assume.
So I'll assume.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
So the offensive game has changed from twenty sixteen, and
these aren't the same types of players, better or for worse.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
You have to coach these players different.

Speaker 9 (50:55):
You're absolutely correct, different generation.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
And different generation and for better for us.

Speaker 10 (50:58):
I know people want to jump in the channel to
look Okay, I'm an old school guy for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Just so we're clear, I'm an old school guy. I'm
an old school sports guy, and I was.

Speaker 10 (51:07):
Talked to a certain way when I was in Pop
Warner in junius, in high school and college. It was
I'm raised on two A days in pestle juice, and
that's those things wearing trash bags. That being said, I'm
also not being asked to coach these plays. I don't
disagree with these players.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
That's a whole other These players are here right after
so let me ask you this question.

Speaker 8 (51:28):
So do you just take that and say I'm not saying,
or do you bring in somebody who has a certain
requirement of his players? And if you were to take
a coordinator and place him on this team right now,
which person could you put on this staff that will
require less turnover and he can actually work with you?

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Have?

Speaker 10 (51:45):
I have a couple of ideas, got to say because
in the contract. But what you need is a guy
who can blend both the old school and the ability
to relate. That's what Shottenheimer does on the offensive side.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yep, Sorry Chris, we didn't get time to get No.

Speaker 6 (51:56):
Twelve collars.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, sorry Chris and Mendeth. So we love you buddy.
All right, we'll talk to you again tomorrow.

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Speaker 1 (52:06):
I'm Kyle yum As. We'll see it tomorrow.

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