212.) October Sessions: BIGFOOT in the Blue Line 6—Adirondack Bigfoot

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is the forty six and forty six podcast October Sessions,
where we'll talk all things spooky and Iarondacks and more,
from bigfoot encounters on the NPT to ghostly sightings in
the trees. We'll dive deep into the heart of these
mountains and the people who dare to climb them. From
Adirondack bigfoots to haunted lakeside bar huts. It's all here

(00:31):
on the forty six and forty six October Sessions. Hello everyone,
and welcome back to the October Sessions.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
We are back for the sixth.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Annual Bigfoot in the Blue Line episode.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And you all know this is one of.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
My favorite podcast episodes of the year because for one
week I get to be a bigfoot podcaster instead of
an Adirondack hiking podcaster. So what an exciting time it
is to talk all about bigfoot right now, during this
time of year especially. But welcome back to the sixth
annual Bigfoot in the Blue Line episode. And this week

(01:21):
I'm going to be chatting with Johnny from Adirondack Bigfoot
find him on Facebook, and we're going to talk all
things Bigfoot in the Blue Line. Johnny, Welcome to the
forty six to forty six podcast October Sessions.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
How you doing. I'm great, I'm great, James, Thank you
so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Absolutely, this is just the episode every year that I
look forward to and I'm always like, Okay, what should
we do for the Bigfoot episode this year?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
And we get to.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Talk all about the subject. And you may be surprised
to hear, but maybe you're not. I mean, these Bigfoot
episodes get even more downloads than a regular podcast episode.
So there's a lot of people who find this this
subject fascinating as fascinating as I do. So with that said,
let's talk about you. Clearly you find this at this
subject interesting. So how did you get into this whole

(02:08):
crazy subject of Bigfoot?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
So so lifelong Bigfoot fan right when I think about,
you know, the forest and freedom and hiking and being
in the wild and having that sticker, the Bigfoot sticker
on the back of the car. Right, so I like
to call myself previously a Bigfoot casual.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Right, there's a lot of folks out there. I mean,
I pull into the Walmart.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Parking lot, there's nine suber as I walk by, and
they all have.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
A big footsticker on it.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Right. So, but four years ago, right here in Whitehall,
New York, which is the east eastern east southern eastern
end of the Adirondick Park, there was a there was
a huge sighting back in nineteen seventy six, and so
they have a Sasquatch calling festival every single year, the

(02:53):
last Saturday of September. It has grown and grown and
grown every year. So four years ago I went to
the festival just because I knew it was in the neighborhood.
I'm in ford An, so I'm only down the road
from there, and I said, well, let me go check
it out. I got nothing to do today, right, So
I went and checked it out, and I could not
believe it. I had so much fun. The community was amazing.

(03:14):
It was just a super cool time to have and
to see happen. So I left home from there and
I said, wow, I had no idea there was such
thing as a bigfoot community, right, I just didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
I didn't. I didn't know that. I didn't know there
was podcasts and videos.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
So I started doing research and then I said, well,
what about the Adirundeck Park. I'm interested in that because
I live here, right, it has there been sightings in
the Adirondeck Park. So I looked it up, and you
can look up like BRFO different websites, big Foot Mapping Project,
and you can kind of see what's going on out
there that people have reported and they've documented. And there

(03:51):
was about a dozen sightings out there in the Adirondick Park,
and I said, how is that with six million acres,
how is that possible?

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It was only maybe a dozen.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
So that's where where I piqued my interests, and I said,
maybe I can help. Maybe there's something I can do
in the community to really drum up some encounters or
some folks that have had encounters and help share them
so that we can get that number up from twelve.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, So I've looked at the BFRO website many times
too and checked out some of these some of these
sightings and encounters. I've heard plenty of stories myself as well.
I feel like it's more so just people don't People
are pretty hushed about that subject right here, which is
actually quite fascinating because you get you get you know,
like we're like local bumpkins, right We're in the mountains.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So it's surprising to me that people are.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So so weird about the subject when if you just
step back and just think, would this be the type
of place that you could see a creature, animal whatever
you want to call it, like Bigfoot existing and just
being here? Yeah, I feel like nobody would say it
doesn't make sense. So it kind of seems strange to
me that it has such a tight lipped kind of

(05:08):
subject matter to it. I also have been to the
Whitehall Festival. Oh great, it's a very fun time. Yeah,
it's a good time. It's a fun, little fun little
get together there, and you know, and being with people
who find the subject fascinating, the subject of the unknown.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm right there with you.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And it's funny because you mentioned you didn't know like
there were podcasts and a community and all these things.
We wouldn't be here without this subject. We wouldn't be
chatting right now. Because the very very first podcast I
ever listened to and still literally listened to two episodes
this morning before we talked, was sas Sasquatch Chronicles, the
podcast I'm sure you've listened when I first learned of podcasts,

(05:47):
So this would would have been like, I don't know,
maybe twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. You know, everyone's got iPhones
now and there's this new thing called podcast and like,
what are these things?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah? I remember being on.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
My phone and someone showing that your phone app has podcasts,
and I was like, I don't really know what they
are at the moment. So the first thing I searched
was like, I wonder if there's like a bigfoot podcast,
and boom, That's how I found Sasquatch Chronicles. Became obsessed
with it, and that was kind of my motivation to
eventually start.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
My own podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
So this subject in podcast form is literally what has
created what I have here.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
So it's kind of funny how that works out like that. Yeah,
very good.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
So you decided basically to like, you found an interest
in the subject. You've learned that there's actually a community,
so decided to go dig deeper into civically bigfoot in
the Adirondacks, you know, here in the Blue line. So
that makes a lot of sense. So what have you
uncovered in your digging?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, so I myself have documented thirty one encounters here
in the Airandick Park, So that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think somebody tagged you in the post I took.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I made a picture of the Adirondack Park and I
put pins in where I've done each investigation, So the
thirty one pins are there. And it's amazing to see
how many folks have reached out and reached out to
me in person, online email message. So I think the
more you talk about it, the more folks want to

(07:16):
want to share some of their experiences and different things
that I've had people invite me to their house. Hey,
can you come to my house. Something's definitely going on
behind my house. And here's what I heard and here's
what I've seen, right, So it's pretty cool. Yeah, So
you know when I said, I'd like to get out
there and kind of see what's going on, not in
a traditional sense as in like a big bigfoot researcher.

(07:39):
Like bigfoot researchers go out with the night vision and
you know, they do a lot of things. They've been
groups of people out and they're out really trying to
find a bigfoot. What I like to do is just
listen to somebody who had some sort of experience that
could possibly be bigfoot, find out where they physically had
the experience, go to that area and just take a

(08:01):
look around. Right, see what I can find get in
the woods and see what's out there, whether I find
some exes, some prints, some tree break structures, any of
that kind of stuff, use that as documentation for the background,
then create some content to help share their experience.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Right, So most of my contents on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
So every one of those thirty one dots on that
map correlate to a video that's on YouTube that where
I've went out and I've physically done an investigation on
that area to see if there's any bigfoot evidence out there.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Sure, very good. I love that. And that's exactly the case.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like the more you talk about it, suddenly there's stories
that people able to share it.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I've had.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I mean I've had people literally even to this day,
to a couple of weeks ago, share a story with
me and then you'll say, hey, you want to come
on the podcast and talk about it, and they're like, no,
I don't do I know, I don't want to. So
you know, that's kind of this thing, is too what
people will share the stories with you when you're willing
to listen, You're willing to hear, Hey I heard you know,

(09:03):
I'm I believe that you probably did have this crazy,
weird encounter with something that we are told doesn't exist,
quote unquote. So no, it's not going to laugh at
you or ridicule you. I actually want to know the
details of what you did. And it just becomes freeing
for people to be able to get these things off
their chest.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, And.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean I've seen I've looked people in the eye
as they're sharing their experience, and sometimes I'm like, I'm
not sure if this is this is this is a possibility, right,
I don't want to call somebody out or not, you know,
for sharing something that's not true. But also I've looked
people in the eye and I can see the trauma,
right and I and I could see that they really
went through something, this has really affected them in a

(09:47):
big way, and this is a really big moment that they're.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Coming forward to speak about it.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
So I really try to, you know, have that great conversation,
make sure that they understand that I'm not here to
cause any more trauma. I'm just really here to help
and share so that more people can come and share
their experiences to sure.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
And Yeah, you can definitely tell when someone is just
telling a tall tale or also it's just you know,
like bending the truth or just trying to put a
what is a square peg into a round hole?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah, got what It's like maybe ish kind of.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But then there's the other side of the spectrum where
you have someone who would pay thousands and thousands of
dollars for this thing, this event to have not occurred,
for it to go back in.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Time and not be there, or you know whatever. Those are.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Those are the encounters and can you hear them all
the time? Those are the encounters with people where I
find that to be way more. The reason that I
would say that this subject one hundred percent happens because
when you look at a big picture, I'm a very
big picture kind of guy. I'm a zoom out thirty
thousand feet kind of person. Someone like that would not

(11:00):
be telling this story. It wouldn't be so you know,
have had so much trauma from it if it didn't happen.
And when you hear, you know, stories of hunters where
like this is their life. All they do do is hunt,
and now they won't hunt anymore because something happened out there.
So when you zoom out thirty thousand feet it's like, oh,
regardless of pictures or video or whatever, something occurred out

(11:23):
there that has them so shaken up that they've abandoned
like their identity, which is in the woods, and they
won't go in the woods anymore. Well, clearly they experienced
something that I can't relate to that I haven't experienced.
But who am I to say, no, you didn't because
the government tells me that it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't think so I don't. I don't buy it.
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
So talk to me about it, like, you know, share,
share a few, a few stories, a few of these
encounter or these encounter stories, or these investigations that you've done.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I'd love to hear some. Yeah, sure, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And so when I think about the Adirondick Park and
the six million acres, you know, that's what really gets
me excited.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I did about how vast it is. Right.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
We might not have the tallest mountains, right, but we
got the biggest area. And that's where I say, this
can't be just part of the Pacific Northwest, right, And
you know I get that. Every once in a while,
I'll be talking to Somebody'll say, what do you mean
they're not in the Adera Deck Park.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
They're in the Pacific Northwest.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
If they can live in the Pacific Northwest, if they
could live anywhere. I mean, every country has their own
version of Bigfoot. It's the same description, but it may
be called something different. I mean, we have something called
skunkcake down in Florida here in America, so it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
So a few.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Different encounters from from the Adera Deck Park. First and foremost,
I'd have to bring up the Whitehall one because that's
the one that put us on the map. Right. So,
in nineteen seventy six, a couple kids spotted a creature.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
They weren't sure what it was. They took off, went down.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
The road, told some law enforcements folks that were kind
of on patrol, Hey, there's some sort of creature up
there on abear road.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It scared the living crap out of us. Can you
go check it out?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And then some police officers went and checked it out,
some off duty police officers, officers checked it out, and
there ended up being about a dozen folks that actually
had the eyes on this thing, right, So they saw
the Bigfoot in person. So that that's that's pretty compelling,
And what I love about the story is Brian Goslin

(13:33):
was one of the one of the officers on duty
that night that that witnessed this. He wrote a book,
The True Story of Abear Road, and I got to
spend a couple hours just kind of chatting it up
and interviewing him. We'd kind of become buddies now, so
everyone said a while we chatted up when we see
each other, which is cool, but you know, and that's

(13:55):
one person that you know. I sat there, looked in
his eyes and I said, man, this guy really experienced
something this is not And he was known as the town.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Kook for a long, long period of time.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
And now this whole Sasquatch Festival is based off of
literally his his encounter. The other folks have come after that, right,
that were that were there that day, that were on shift,
that were in the car with him, They've all come
after him saying that Okay, yeah, well, he says, is true.
I was there too, right, But he's the he is

(14:29):
the original, He's the og of that right. What I
love about his encounter is he's got a really good
description that actually put the spotlight from the cop car
on it. It blocked its eyes because the light was
bright for its eyes. So so he had he had
a great description of of the I would say animal,
but of the beast or.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Of the bigfoot. And uh.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
He also says that the week prior to that, the
phones at the police station we're ringing off the hook
with UFO encounters. So pretty crazy that like that happened,
and then and then this happened. And the more I've
I've shared this or I've talked to folks about it

(15:14):
because I'm so interested, it's it's really a good one.
They say that that's commonplace, right. I hear that a lot,
that that's commonplace where you would you would say that
there may be lights seen in the sky, or comments
or some sort of activity of unidentified flying objects. And
then next thing you know, there's a big foot around.
I don't know if there's a connection or not. There

(15:35):
Some folks go down that wormhole.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Some don't.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I try not to because I like to believe, you know,
he's the protector of the forest.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
And he's out there having a good time. It's living
at a cave.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
But so that's the biggest one. And now they've I
think it's the tenth. This year was the tenth year
of the Sasquatch Calling Festival. They had a few before that,
but they were so small that they didn't even document them.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And which is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
So and then New York State has recognized, you know,
they have the lore like Sleepy Hollow has one. Uh,
it's a it's a New York State like you would
say Schoolhouse nineteen nineteen oh one, it'd be a plaque.
So New York State has recognized that it's a bigfoot sanctuary. So,

(16:22):
and it is illegal to hunt bigfoot in the in
the town of Whitehall.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So that's so that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So there is some legal documentation with the state and
county for bigfoot in that in that particular area, which
is which is super cool, right because you can't say.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
That around other areas. Sure, yeah, that's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Actually, in the state of Washington, bigfoot is listed on
the mammals list for the State of Washington. I don't
know if you do that's but it's a you know,
it's listed right alongside squirrels, deer bear. Yeah, and why
you know, you got to ask yourself, if this really
wasn't a real thing, why would a state like a

(17:04):
like the actual government.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Acknowledge something that exists as a.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Quote, a joke or oh well it's our like our
you know, mythical creature animal. No, a state would have
no time for that. So it's you know it does
it does? It does say something? I guess at that point.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, absolutely, And just to add on to that quickly,
so so you know, I get a lot of a
lot of stuff in the comments, right and just recently
this morning I had somebody challenging me, and I always
like to come back with, uh, there's an estimated eight
million difference a variety of species on the planet Earth.

(17:40):
The problem is we've only found one point six million
of them, so they're saying that we we've only touched
the we've only you know, got twenty percent. We've only
found twenty percent of the species on this planet. So
you can't rule out the possibility that there is an
actual Bigfoot out there somewhere, somehow, someway.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And the thing is, you know, Bigfoot's the type of
subject and obviously people even listen to this podcast, they'll
be like, oh, these these coops, these two crazy people.
It's the type of subject where you go down the
rabbit hole for twenty minutes and you can actually say,
oh wow, there's a lot more credible evidence than I
would have ever thought. And you wouldn't know unless you

(18:21):
actually go down that rabbit hole. And I'm not talking
watching some crappy show on Discovery Channel. You know that's television, right,
Like it has to be TV. Like there's a reason
that TV shows are all the same. And you know,
quote they never find anything. As someone who worked in
television for seventeen years, television and film, there's a lot
of trucks, there's a lot of equipment, there's a lot
of lights, there's a lot of things. Nothing in the

(18:42):
woods is ever going to come out in those scenarios.
There are a lot of tables set up with food.
Like it's television people, I've worked on these shows.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Is it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
So with that, though, when you do go down the
rabbit hole of something like listening to a podcast, Dude,
you go to Sasquatch Chronicles podcast, Look at that there's
over a I was into episodes and these are all
just everyday Joe Schmo's telling their story about this is
what I encountered.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Don't care if you believe me, like this is what
I saw. That's right.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
It just becomes too much to ignore where it becomes
more weird to say, all of these people are making
this up. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And and here's one thing that and that's great.
Those are all really great points.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And I love that you're brought up the going down
the wormhole and the podcasts and all that, because that's
what I hear a ton of that. Right, So somebody
will say, hey, I'm not sure if this is bigfoot
or not, but I wanted to reach out to you
because I don't know who else to talk to, right.
And then they'll they'll tell me about, you know, a
time when they're hiking and a huge boulder.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Landed next to them.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Or in the water, or they heard tree breaks and
then literally the ground was trembling under their feet as
something ran away. You know, they'll they'll start sharing these
these weird, these weird things that doesn't they didn't see it,
They didn't see anything, right, But and they never even
they just got freaked out and scared it. Never went

(20:10):
hiking again, right, like you said, never went hunting again.
I've heard that too, And then never said a word
about it, but then over their lifetime they may have
heard or seen something else. Then they're going this, I
wonder what this could be. They start googling it, and
then big foot pops right, So then they're going down

(20:30):
the bigfoot wormhole and they say, well, that's a possibility,
and I go, great, let's talk about it, right, because
you're right, that could be a possibility based on the
circumstances or whatever whatever type of experiences that you've had.
And that's where I find most people come from. So
they've had some unexplained experiences out in the woods, and over.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Time they may have had multiple.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
And then when they have multiple and it's unexplained, they
start doing research and then they end up on a
bigfoot podcast or something, and then now they have a
belief that there was a possibility it could have been bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
And once you go down that rabbit hole too, you
start to see a lot of trends. You know, I
don't nobody is actually an expert on the subject, but
you have you can be an expert on hearing.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
People talk about the subject.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And started to start to notice just an absurd amount
of trends from just like consistencies that keep happening, and
obviously that leads to, oh, so this is kind of
what happens. So when someone says they were camping and
things were being thrown at their tent, rocks thrown at
their tent, or rocks thrown at them on the trail
but it didn't hit them, but they were or they
were going to hit by little rocks, you know, like right,

(21:38):
start to notice the same things over and over again,
you know, the tree knocks, all the things we did.
I did an episode last October with with my buddy
Jonathan'saharic Shout Out to Jonathan, where a woman sent him
her son's encounter story from like a previously few days,

(22:01):
like it was that fresh. He was out in the
Allen Mountain on the Alan Mountain trail and he started
recording as they were hiking back. And I'm telling you, Johnny,
I'm pretty positive we have two legitimate sasquatch whoops on
that episode in that recorder from that recording. So I

(22:21):
like to like to joke that my podcast has actual
sasquatch sounds on it. Yeah, you know, that's so if
you're listening, you want to listen to That's last year's
October sessions. Just scroll back to last October or actually
I think it was the first week of November, because
it was like a bonus episode.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You could listen to that.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
But they're out there, and I have heard some crazy,
crazy sounds and crazy things. I'm sure you have as well.
So I'm looking at your map here. Oh good, I've
got your map pulled up. I have this exact same map,
by the way. But so I'm looking at the map.
We've got we have pins all over the parks of
lots in like the central kind of High Peaks region.
We've got Serenatake Lake classid Keen, like obviously the High

(22:57):
Peaks region. You've got some more out in the Tupper
Lake region. There's some I see a few I'm going
to ask you about in the Five Ponds Wilderness, which
is where I would say is like probably the hottest
spot and the craziest stories I have heard have come
from the Five Ponds Wilderness area. You've got some down south,
like directly do south in the Northville what is this here,

(23:20):
Northville here, speculator. Then you've got some obviously out in
your neck of the woods in the you know, the
southeastern part of the park. Let's see what near the
north so is this let's see here scrolling up now.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
So Paul Smith.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
So if you were to ask me, based on the
stories I've been told and based on what I know
about the park, if you were to Saint James, where
are the most bigfoot? The stories that I've heard the
most have come from the seward Santinoni Allen region of
the High Peaks. So for those of you know the
High Peaks, that general vicinity Alan, especially the vander Wacker

(24:03):
wild Forest out there, then I would say the Five
Ponds Wilderness, which is like southwest Oderon I because there
is absolutely nothing there. And then I would say the
north west part of the park, you know, the the
you know above Paul Smith's, that kind of neck of
the woods is where I've heard a lot of stories
as well. I can't remember the name of the road

(24:25):
there that goes basically to Canada from like basically Paul
Smith College. If you're at if you go to Paul Smith,
you'll you'll know exactly there's only one road in that town,
but that general neck of that general area, and I
see you have some pins in all of these spots.
So of these incount of these investigations you've done, have
any stuck out to you as being a maybe super

(24:46):
super bizarre head scratcher or like, wow, I one hundred
percent think this is one hundred percent true, Like anything
in particular stand out to you.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, Yeah, Paul Smith's is is top of mind for
a couple of different reasons. Number one, it was the
creepiest forest I got myself into.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Like it's very swampy out there.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know, like I thought only
like Louisiana had like the moss hanging from trees and stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Nope, fall Smith's has that.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
But uh, yeah, a couple of college students they graduated
a few years back, they went to Jeeze. The name
of the lean to I can't remember off the top
of my head, but you either got a bushwack there
or you got a canoe into there to get to
that specific something rock it's called. But uh, they went

(25:38):
out there camping for the night, and they got scared
off because they heard these the screams in the middle
of the night, scared deliving crap out. The good thing
is they recorded it, so they had, Uh, they had
a couple of recordings of the actual screams, which was
super super scary, right.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I listened to them.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
I listened to their uh, their encounter that they had,
and then I said, well, let me get out there
and let me take a look and see what's going
on out cl Smith's right. And then course I go.
And it's a gloomy day, super squatchy, right, It's a misty, foggy,
everything is gray.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It just feels weird, right.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
So what I like to do is, you know, find
the area that they're describing as close as I can.
Find a dead end road or something somewhere where I
could pull off and just start walking into the woods
and see what I see. So I did exactly that.
I found a dead end road, I pulled off. I said,
all right, this looks this looks super creepy. Let me
let me take my way into the woods. I made

(26:37):
my way into the woods. I didn't feel comfortable at
all just walking into the woods, so I said, I was,
you know, thinking to myself that I just don't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I would rather not be here right now, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
But I kept on the truck in I found a
big X formation, right, So that's a symbol of symbols.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Uh, you know, the entrance for bigfoot into a forest
or something like that.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Everybody has a different idea what that means, but the
general rule is that it has something to do with Bigfoot.
So I kind of stayed in that area. I found
a couple of possible prints, uh, and I said, all right,
let me get the heck out here.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And then on my way out, I uh, the.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
X was, you know, to to just big, big, very
thin pine trees leaned against each other. They weren't there
were no root balls or anything, so that was seemed
like it was placed there somehow some way.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I broke a piece off at one.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
And I said, I'm taking this with me because there's
a bigfoot. Maybe he'll maybe he'll want his piece of
piece of X back, right, So I took the eggs
like a piece of the X, but in my car,
and I brought it back to my house. I actually
posted a picture in my back seat on Facebook and said,

(27:54):
well this is why I decided to I didn't know,
you know, maybe it was a bad idea, and I
got I got ridiculed pretty good for that. But anyways,
so I get back to my house in the middle
of my driveway and then you know, my driveway is
like a circular driveway and in the middle there's a
little bear hole holding the welcome sign.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
You know. I stuck it next to him.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I said, all right, we'll put it right there and
see see if anything happens, see if it moves or something,
you know. Going to the house, hanging out, talking with
the wife, and there's a thud on the side of
our house, and I was like, what the heck is that?
You know, went outside check. We got ring cameras all
over the place, all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Nothing.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So we're hanging out, the sun's going down. We'd go
to let the dogs out. They're really giving us a
hard time about it. So we actually didn't let him out.
Go back upstairs. Boom, another thud in the house. So
now my wife shrieked out. She's like, what the heck
is this. I'm like, I don't know. You know, I
went and checked out. There's nothing there. So we leave.
I leave, I go. I travel for work usually one

(28:54):
or two nights per week, and I took off for
two nights. The second night my called me and said,
I don't know, but something banged on the bat on
the side of the house where our bedroom is, and
it really freaked her out bad because she's hold by
herself now with our daughter, you know. So when I
got back, I shared that with a couple of my

(29:14):
buddies that are I like to call them bigfoot experts.
One has actually seen a bigfoot and the other one
is well versed as he never stops listening to podcasts.
So and he said, hey, you need to do something
about that, because it sounds like you probably shouldn't have
took that piece of X home with you.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Number one and then number two, maybe they just followed you,
maybe had nothing to do with the X.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
It just depends you might have been in somewhere you
shouldn't have been at that particular time. So that that
really made me really nervous, right because we've never had
We've been living in this house for eight years.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
We never had the thuds on the house like this before.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
And we live in the middle of woods, out of
side of a mountain, so there's no you know where,
there's nothing else around.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So he said, hey, he recommended that I should go outside.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I should say out loud, hey, I apologize, Please leave
me and my family alone. You're not welcome here stuff
like that, right, And I was like, you're messing with me, right,
this is something you really I think I should do,
And so I said, well, I got to do something.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
So I did it.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
And I was sincere about it, right because it was,
you know, freaking the wife out, and plus I don't
want something messing with my house if there is something
messing with my house. And come to find out after that,
we never had any other experiences around the house. So
I don't know what all that means. You know, I
left that piece is still sitting there. I never touched it,

(30:41):
so it's still sitting in the middle of the driveway,
leaning against my my welcome there.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
But we haven't had any.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Other instances, no more thuds, no more nothing. Everybody feels safe.
So I'm not sure if that means something or it doesn't.
But I'm pretty I'm pretty sure it does mean something. Right,
So if I'm gonna take that information and uh, you know,
go down to wormhole, I would say there's probably a connect.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
There could be a connection to Bigfoot there.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
But with that said, sure St regis the upper and
lowers man that that is a that is an interesting area.
You know when I when I was walked, I draw,
I drove around, I put the drone up, took a
look around.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It is super interesting up there.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Definitely a place I'd like to get back to and
and look around a little bit more and and get
to that lean to at some point in time to see,
uh if there's anything out that way.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
And you know, the whole neck of the park is
just there is nothing there, so perfect.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
And you're also out of the big mountains.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
So also in terms of just life, it's a lot
easier out there for animals. Like there's more deer out there,
there's moose out there, Like, there's more animals out there,
because the High Peaks is a tough place to live,
so and that's why why be there if you don't
have to. So there'll a lot of interesting things that
you said. I'm sure a lot of people are like,
what is this guy talking about thig. I mean again,

(32:05):
I've listened, I've heard these stories a lot.

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My first question is going to be is based on
that and based on in general, and you don't have
to get in we'll get.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Into this more.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Do you makeep bigfoot is a flesh and blood creature
or is there more to it than that?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
What's your kind of just real quick, just general thought.
My general thought is he's he's a flesh and blood right.
I'm not really buying in the portals and all this stuff.
I'm open for conversation with all that, all that you know,
and I'm not counting it out because I considered myself
more of an investigative journalist. I'm not a researcher, So
my first belief was it was some sort of uh,

(34:29):
you know, DNA split from Neanderthal. Right.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I went down that where I'm whole for a really.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Long time, and that's where I really started and where
I've ended and where I am, well, not where I've ended,
but where I am now. I'm thinking more about vibration
and you know, different, different way of thinking about possibilities
of Bigfoot living amongst us, but us not.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Being able to see him.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Sure, So that that and that's why I'm That's why
I had to ask the question because at this point,
like if you were willing to go outside and say like, hey,
you know, didn't mean anything, Can you leave?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Can you leave our house alone?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
It led me to believe that you would see it
as more as flesh and blood plus more than just
a flesh and blood creature like a deer or bear
as well. Right, I'm a little I'm a little surprised
to hear you say that you believe it's flesh and blood.
But then you're are you saying that you now feel
like it's more. I'm a little confused.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, No, I feel like he is.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
But I feel like he may operate with a different
vibration than we do.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
So what do we add?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
However, many hurts vibration and he if he's operating at
a different frequency than we are, then he could be
standing right next to us and we wouldn't know it
right because we weren't to be able to see him.
So that that's kind of where I'm at now because
I've talked to a few people that are pretty pretty
well versed in frequency and vibration, and you know, when

(35:54):
I think about that, So if you go, if you
go into cloaking, and you go into portals, and you
go into the the fuzzy pictures, if there are if
ending it from Mark real right, and you know all
that stuff and added up, if if you were to
really put a lot of thought behind it, like I did,
I'm coming out and saying that I think that frequency,
there's frequency has something to do with it. Who's who's

(36:18):
the gentleman from the show Star Talk No Familiar Neil
Neil de Grosse, Right, he's the guys that he's the
astronomer physics guy that is debunking everybody, everything everybody says
based on physics. And he actually said that the possibility
of there being another dimension is just as possible as

(36:41):
us living in a separate dimension right now. So he's saying, basically,
it's a fifty to fifty shot that it's if this
if this where we live right now and who we
are and how we're operating is real, then absolutely another
dimension is real and it could be parallel, which would
so then if you take all that right, you got
to really kind of take everything in and say anything

(37:06):
is almost possible. Yeah, so when how do how would
that actually work?

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
How would it How could it possibly work? So my
opinion would be that I think that they're operating on
a different frequency, So that would mean that it wouldn't
really be cloaking. It would just be they're just not
visible to us and in the frequency that we're we're
operating after.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
And that's interesting because my when I first started, when
I was, you know, first interested in this subject, which
has been forever, like I've always found this. I've always
found anything unknown to be quite quite fascinating. It's kind
so I was always it's probably just it's just an
ape in the woods we just haven't found. But the
more you dive in, the more you you hear these

(37:50):
other weirder stories and they add up, and then you
hear consistencies and you're like, okay, And so my my
opinion has changed since it originally started to now I
believe it is. It is flesh and blood, and it's
more than that, which is why it's so bizarre to us.
And I do believe it does do things like when
you talk about other dimensions. I believe one thousand percent

(38:12):
that's probably what's happening as well, which is the like
flesh and blood and more. Yeah, more than things we
can't quite fathom, we can't understand. So when you when
you talked about going home and saying what you said
and you know, the slaps in your door, I mean,
I've heard so many stories on like the podcast right
where people are talking about things that started happening at

(38:34):
home when they left an area that are like after
an encounter, and you know, it's not that uncommon. And
so I found so to me that like that was
in alignment with that whole concept of they know they're
operating differently than we are, which could also explain why God,
there's so I mean, we could talk for hours in

(38:54):
this rabbit hole, but there's different stories of them, you know,
traveling fifty plus mile in the night and coming back
and they probably can do it that quickly, whereas the
body it probably is right there, but you just can't
see it.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Or it's taken you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know I've heard again, there's so many rabbit hole
stories we could we could air together, I'm sure you know.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
And that's why that's where I went through the down
the Neanderthal rabbit hole. And the reason why I did
that is because they did find they most recently found
some remains in Neanderthal, which is they only have a
few bones, and the bones that they did find had
gnawn marks on them, as in it looked like they

(39:35):
were consuming their their elders, right, so if one of
their elders had passed away, they would consume them to
take in their energy, their spirit and all that stuff,
including the bones. So if they can do that, to
the point where we've been searching thousands and thousands of
years for these bones and we've just recently found a
few that have no marks on them, is it possible

(39:57):
that maybe Bigfoot operate the same way and and have
some sort of spirituality connection to Neanderthal maybe, you know,
or anything?

Speaker 2 (40:06):
That's it? Like that's that all we can ever say
for anything.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Maybe it is. It just can't rule anything out. You
can't rule anything out. So I want to hear I
do want to hear.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
You know, it's.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Actually you know, I would actually love to get more
information as to where this uh, where this lean to
is in the Paul Smith's area. But now I'm really
fascinating because one of my stories is from Paul Smith's
as well.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I'll get out there.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
But what I want to hear is your buddy story
where you said one of your buddies that you checked
in with has seen a big foot firsthand.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I'd love to hear that story, right.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, his name is David. So you can watch a
Paul Smith's video. I'll have to rewatch it to get
the name of that lean to.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, I'll check it out on YouTube. And what what's
your YouTube channel? Just so people can see.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It at Around Deck Bigfoot at Aroundack Bigfoot YouTube. Check
it out, give it a follow.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Also, while you're on YouTube, give the at four six
Outdoors channel a follow.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
It's yours truly YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
But continuing perfect, Yeah, his name is David and he's
out in Northville. That's where he's living, and he's had
a couple of encounters with some big foots out there,
and that seems to be a really big hotspot for
us recently. I've talked to a lot of folks in
North Hill Sagondaga Lake, Wells speculator. I was just out

(41:20):
in Wells yesterday with one of my buddies, kind of
taking a looking around, look around and checking a few things.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Out, following up on some some other items.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
But yeah, so he does a lot of walking and
hiking in that particular area. And he was just he's just,
you know, casually going for a walk. And there's a
place by his I think it's son or brother's house
that he a particular place that he likes to walk
and he does it all the time, so he's very

(41:50):
familiar with the area, and he was just walking along.
He likes to snap a few random pictures in the
woods just because, right, and he likes to check him
out later and see if there's any if he actually
caught anything in the in the in the pictures. But
he was walking along and for some reason he ended

(42:12):
up stopping in his tracks because he sensed like something
wasn't right, and he started looking around like he was
going to snap a picture. And he looked up and
he said he was face to face with a bigfoot
that was right there, right there in a tree. Yeah,
so so yeah, and you know, it wasn't the first time.

(42:35):
This is like the second or third time he's he's
actually seen a bigfoot. So I think that he has
some sort of connection. They consider him to be friendly.
It helps that he's constantly visiting the same area over
and over and over again. He's now started to leave
gifts and things like that, done some gifting and all that.

(42:57):
But he didn't he didn't feel threatened and any way,
he didn't feel like he was in danger. I asked him,
you know, well, what what did you do? You know what,
because I don't know what every He asked me, what
would you do.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
If you saw a thing?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
But like, I have no idea, right, I would have
to be standing there and see how I felt and
just act. However I felt at the time that I
needed to act, So he said, the first thing that
came to his mind was just pretend like you didn't
see it.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So so that's what he did.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
He just went about his business and continued to walk
and look around and snap a couple of pictures and
turn around and head back. He said, I just pretended
like I didn't see nothing at all and just went
about my business.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And it didn't move. It didn't bother me.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
So going back and looking at some of those pictures
that he snapped over the over the times he's been
out there, there's there's a few that are pretty compelling
where you can see there's a figure or something or
a face in the woods there close by him.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
So super interesting, very interesting, fascinating.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yep, all right, So that's in like the Northfield area.
So any other stories from different parts of the park
that are particularly you know, have you scratching.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Your head or interesting in particular?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Well, so down in Wells, me and my buddy, but
he had some different you know, orbs and noises and recordings,
different different things that he's done down there, different work
he's done because he like, there's a road down there
that has two New York State campsites on it, so

(44:38):
they're not marked or anything, but they have a fire
ring and that's it, right, So like it's like a
first come, first serve.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You can go there, you can camp there if you like.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
We have some up here in Ford and there's a
bunch of those two out here in the trails. But
so he likes to frequent there and he's had a
lot of experiences like unexplained things. So he called me
when I first started. We went out there and checked
out the Wells area. Uh. He showed me some structures
and tree tree twists that he found in the woods,

(45:08):
and we heard a couple of wood knocks out there.
So so that scared living crap out of us because
it was super close. So we took off. Got a
lot of a lot of a lot of flak in
the in the comments for taking off. You're looking for
a big foot in you run away, right, So we
took off. Wasn't explained, you know. So just recently a

(45:28):
few weeks ago, we went back to that area and
I said, well, let's go revisit. Let's go check it
out and see if anything's changed. Right, So we went
back to the structure. The structure's gone. So this was
like eight trees intertin intertwined and tangled in a way.
No root balls or nothing in the middle of the forest.
There's no trucks or nothing that went out there and
put these trees together like this. And then now we

(45:51):
go back and all those that that structure is gone
and the trees are all kind of spread out around
and not. It ain't like it just fell. You know,
you would you would go, oh, that just fell, but no,
this didn't fall. Somebody took it apart. Something took it apart.
Because these are pretty big trees. I wouldn't even be
I'd be in the hospital if I tried to lift one.

(46:12):
So so, uh, we were checking that out. Uh, and
we see that that's gone, found a couple of possible
prints in the area. And then we're moving out of
the area and we got back onto the road and
just as we stepped on the road, we heard like
monkey noises, like like oh right, like like something like

(46:36):
he heard it, I heard it. I looked at him,
and then we both pretty much said monkey. It was
at a monkey at the same time, like there can't
be a monkey in this forest. You know, what the
heck is going on here? He loves audio, so he's
always he records audio all night when he's camping there.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
When if he leaves the campsite, he leaves a recorder
going there.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
He always has audio. So he had his audio recording
in his pocket. He took that back and played it
in his his audio program that he has on his computer.
And when he played it, what we what we recorded
in the audio program.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It came back as whoops.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
So that really freaked me out because I was like, okay,
so something might must have been saying goodbye or don't
leave or whatever. And if it came across as whoops
instead of you know, more of a monkey noise, that's
super interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
So that was the most recent.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Experience that I physically had and that I know of
somebody having recent recently in the in the ad around
thatck park.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Okay, understood, So let's talk now about some of.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
These other these other places you got pinned here, so
I'm quite curious for starters. You have one pin directly
in the high peaks right here. It looks like it's
you know, the pin is like right underneath Mount Marcy
on your on your nap here. Do you remember that
story and partict killer.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, that's a new come. So there's a couple there
that owns a.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Cabin on the on the off off unmaintained road, so
it's a like a seasonal road, right, we find a
lot of hunting cabins. It turns into it, so regular
road turns into a dirt road and it's not maintained
during the winter. So they have a cabin, have summer
cabin up there. They go visit a few times during

(48:25):
the during the summer, and they went up to that
cabin to open it up for the summer. They brought
their two little dogs with them. That that's their family
and their children.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And they get up to the cabin, they clear it
all out, they open it up. They're dust and sweeping,
turn it on the water, get everything all set.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
And then before dusk they were like, well we should
we should go for a hike.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Right, So they they pack up, they get ready, they
go out for a hike, and then when they come back, Uh,
there's a rock structure with sticks on their on their step,
on their back step, and they're like, that was not
there when we left. So super weird little rock structure.

(49:11):
Some sticks there too as well. That they didn't leave
that there. Something put that there while they were gone.
They were a little freaked out, like, who was around
my cabin? Did we not notice it when we were
cleaning up? And then they just brushed it off and said,
now it is what it is. You know, let's get
a fire bellain. The sun's starting to go down. We

(49:32):
don't want to be cold, you know. So they get
to the house, bring the dogs in, they make the fire,
and then they you know, they got rid of the
rock structure and all that, and they're just kind of
hanging out, getting ready having dinner, getting ready to have
some drinks and relax, and then they go back out.
The husband goes out the back to let the dogs out, well,

(49:55):
and they take them out on the lead, so they
just so let them go in the woods. So he's like,
so I went to go take the take the dogs
out out back, and uh, they did not want to
go outside at all.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Down they're a good indication right now, what's going on?
For sure?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, so they had to kind of like force them, like, no,
you're going to the bathroom now, because we're not going
back out later, right, this is the last chance, right,
So they forced the dog. The dogs are barking like crazy.
They're not understanding what what the heck is going on,
you know, they can't see or hear anything. They're they're
thinking maybe there's a bear around or something. And then
they hear this like really loud kind of growl noise

(50:37):
come out come from out the woods, and then the
ground kind of trembling. Something's taking big steps and moving
away from the camp so totally freaked them out.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
They went in, packed up and left that night and
never came back.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
So they actually said they sold that camp because it
freaked them out that bad.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
They didn't want it, they didn't want anything to do
with it.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Well, that's a see that those that's the things like,
that's a huge deal for somebody to say, guess what,
I'm just gonna sell this problem.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Clearly you didn't just experience something that's just like weird,
it's just like, ah, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
It was.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It was clearly deeper than that, right, Like for someone
to have that sort of.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Reaction, absolutely, Yeah, unbelievable, No, fascinating. So I see you
have a pin in Lake Placid too. Hit me. That's
where I lived, So hit me with that.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
It's been a while since I I've uh and have
to I have to go back and rewatch sort of
classid videot.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
It's just we're going to everyone listening. You could go
listen to the different stories on his YouTube channel. Check
it out on YouTube. You can watch these stories. So
let's see there and any any others in general, you know,
we can where we're own out. I just noticed a
Lake Placid pin right here.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, I've heard so many that it's hard to keep
you track. But most recently I spoke to Richard and
we did like a podcast format like this out in
Lake Saraenac, not Saranac Lake, the town of Aaronak where
where he had an encounter where where literally the the
Bigfoot was just standing on the side of the road

(52:07):
across the street from where he was scared the living
crap out of him. He felt like he had he
had scared off or do something, started throwing some rocks,
getting some rocks thrown back at him, so didn't really
scare him off, scared himself off more than he tried
to scare the big Foot off. And then it wasn't

(52:27):
just him that saw it that night, so he has
a couple of friends or neighbors that also witnessed the
same uh, the same large being towering over the sign
that's on the side of the road in the same location.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So that's an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I wanted to get out there, but me and him
couldn't work work out of time. But I've been to
Saranac Lake, uh, the town of Saranac before for another
encounter that started at Chazy Lake where somebody who has
a cabin there and then traveling to work from their

(53:06):
summer cabin from Chazy Lake down to the town of
Saranac again saw something on the side of the road.
So in that same town, that same area. So and
then and we're talking that was twenty years before this
one happened, you know, So that that I think means
a lot when you think about you know, overall and time.

(53:27):
If they're in the general area, they could they could
possibly you know, stay in that area. It isn't like
there there's a migration route or something like that. I
also think it's interesting too that you talked about and
kind of going on what we were discussing before, how
you know, both of us seem to believe that there
this is like a flesh and blood creature and more

(53:48):
they're ill and more to this. And you know, you
hear so often that people who have multiple encounters, and
I think there probably is something to be said about
that whole concept. Maybe they do operate on a different
frequency and maybe like they're okay with this version like
this person. You know, I feel like that's probably the case, right,
Like just like some dogs certainly don't like some people

(54:11):
and they like other people like I'm sure it's probably
a similar sort of mentality here. So I always do
find that interesting when you have very credible people who
have had multiple encounters and it's like the average person wants,
you know, has had zero, right obviously in the researchers
have had zero, So maybe there's something in the water
that they don't care for for us. But then those
other people like they they don't want encounters and they've

(54:33):
seen them two times, three times. And if I always
think it's so fascinating, it's very consistent. You hear that
very often that they're these like I don't ask for
this crap.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
In fact, I pay you money for this crap to
not be happening to me. Yeah, yeah, absolutely too.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
You were talking about, you know, just like a little
size where you were talking about, you know, bringing that
log home from your house. I a sound guy that
I work for.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I did a couple of TV shows with.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
He does lots of movies for this one director named
David Green, and David Green did the New Exorcism Exorcist
movie and wow, I remember because I was doing a
TV show with this sound mixer at the time. As
they were like planning to go shoot the Exorcists and
getting all that done. They were struggling to find crew
members to go do the movie because of like juju

(55:26):
that came with the first movie, Like people didn't want
to be a part of what. And then hearing stories
about like the shooting of the first movie, the filming
of the first movie, so and then on what and
then hearing stories about like what happened while they were
filming this other this new Exorcism exorcistem Like, I'm just
a big believer that there is there are things around

(55:48):
us that we just can't see. Our human eyes can't see,
like a spiritual warfare, a something that's going on around us,
and you know, call it alternate and dimension, call it
alternate frequency.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I pitched Field.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
There's things that we can't see and there happening, And
I think that is a big you know, ding ding ding.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Of the entire subject of big Foot. Big Footer is
the unknown in general, quite frankly.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, absolutely, I agree. I agree, hundred ten percent. Yeah,
there's got to be something to it. There's another gentleman
I talked to a while back, Doug, and that's that
Long Lake incident. That I have there, and he's a
he's lifelong Adiron Decker from the point of.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's what his family did every summer.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Right, they went to the Adirondecks and they spent the
summer on the Adiron Decks. He had a couple buddies.
They did a canoeing trip trip across the Adirondecks.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Right where you bring your canoe, you you.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Go across the Laker Pond, you drag it to the
next one, and there's a way to make your way through.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
The Adirondecks if you do that. I think it's a
canoe trail, I believe.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
But he actually sent me the picture of the of
him and his two buddies when they were young.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It's like almost a black and.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
White pitcher, uh, standing in front of the sign and
showing that with their canoe that hey, this is where
we're going, which is which is super cool.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Help help with the put the experience together.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
So they went up Long Lake, and when they were
in Law Lake, somebody had told them that there is
if you're looking for a place to stay, there's some
lean tos up on the right hand side, all the
way up at the top. So they were like, cool,
that's awesome. That was their goal for the day to
get there. They found some they ended up staying. They
tied the canoe up and then they went and stayed

(57:33):
in the lean too. And he's like, we were, you know,
eighteen nineteen, goofy boys, you know, just doing our thing,
trying to live live in the wild, you know, and
having a having a great summer. He's like, but then
we started hearing huge boulders getting thrown in the water
next to our canoes and didn't make any.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Sense to us.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
He's like, literally, we were afraid to leave the leave
the lean to and go check it out, but we
figured we had to because it also it didn't only
sound like look, boulders were dropping in the water, it
sounded like somebody was trashing our canoe. It was aluminum,
so that would make a lot of noise, he said.
It was just it sounded like they were trashing it.

(58:13):
We we just figured it was going to be gone
or just.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Demolished when we got there.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
So we went back to check it out and it
was sitting there perfectly fine. Nothing was wrong with it
at all. So they have no clue what happened, but
it was it literally scared the crap out of them.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
They they they couldn't sleep all night.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
They got out of there early, you know, just a
big deal for that very very vibrant.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
You know memory for them as as youngsters.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
So and he actually, you know, as he after he
shared that, and he said, you know, we did see
some tree breaks, some other things. We really weren't looking
for all that stuff. We weren't really aware of big
for the time. But just like we were talking about
in the beginning, after you do some research over time,
you go, oh, that that possibly could have been a bigfoot,
you know, that was out there doing that. So he
said something to his son, who was you know, young

(59:05):
at the you know at the time. He said, hey,
you know, I think I might have had a big
foot encounter. Son's like, yeah, you're yeah, okay, dad, whatever,
you know. Uh. And he was trying to share with
him his experience that he had. And he was getting
his haircut at a barber at the time, and his
one of the buddies that he hasn't seen forever walks
into the barber shop and and he's like, there's you know,

(59:27):
I don't remember his name, Rob, right, here's my son.
Tell him about this this the time we had up
and Long Lake and what happened when we were trying
to camp in that in that lean to and uh,
it was it was super cool. He's like, it was
a great moment for me and my son because my
son really just blew me off the entire time. But
after my buddy was able to corroborate the story, uh,

(59:50):
it kind of changed everything. So so now now we're
firm believers that it had to be a big Foot encounter.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Well here we go, Well, yeah, we go very good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Now, anything anything you know in your research that maybe
has been exceptionally weird, maybe it's beyond Bigfoot, maybe it's
something different. Anything have you stumbled across anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I know, not not exceptionally weird. Well, I you know Brian.
I think you know Brian. He's mentioned you a few times.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
If his last name starts sort of asked to something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
He's a he's an avid nicky, Yeah, yeah, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Even averd hiker. Yeah, he down. He's out in the
ad K all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
And there's this one part he wants to bring me there.
So he was hiking along and he's very he's very
I like I love hanging out and speaking with him
because he's a he's super skeptic, you know. He's like,
here's all the different things that that happened to me
in the woods, and I know they're unexplained, but it
could have been this, and it could have been that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
It could have been this, you know. So he'said, like,
could have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Been a bigfoot then, right, So, but there's this one
area he says he was hiking in and all of
a sudden, he just lost all orientation, wasn't even sure who,
what his name was, where he was like, he completely was,
like he said, he just didn't he don't know what
it was or what happened, you know, was it bigfoot?

(01:01:27):
Trying to speak with him, was it something's wrong with
that area from a you know, some people say like
like there's an area fifty one up in Watertown, New
York that there's some sort of vibration or something there
that really throws you off when you get close to it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
He don't know, but he just said he really wasn't
sure what was going on for a good five minutes
and then we kind of came to He just continued
on and ignored it, like oh gosh, thank thank god.
I got through that and you know, went on with
his hike. So, you know, I did the interview and
I posted that up on YouTube, and I got a

(01:02:07):
ton of people reach out to me after I posted
that because they were like, I know, exactly the area
he was talking about that he was describing, and that
exact same thing happened to me, still completely unexplained, and
I'm not sure, right, So there's so to your point,
there's some unexplained things going on out there that we
can't comprehend, right, And that was corroborated by just random

(01:02:29):
people that have hiked that same area, right, They're like,
oh no, yeah, they weren't there. They don't know, you know,
what happened to Brian, but they're saying by listening to
what he said, yeah, that same thing happened to them
in that same area. So I think that when you
think a little bit outside the box, that's something that's
a little bit out there and unexplained.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Yeah, you know it once you get one person talking
and all of a sudden, people are you know, nobody
wants to go first. Everyone will will start talking once
someone else has gone first, and that's you know, that's
that's just human nature.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
It's the same thing on you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Zoom calls with a group of people, and it's the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And the subject of bigfoot, that's for sure, or ghosts
or literally anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
You're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, very good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
All right, Well, as we start to wrap up this episode,
this big Foot in the Blue Line episode, you know
I always ask people. I always ask people three questions
at the end of every podcast. So I'm gonna ask you,
but I'm gonna tweak them to you in particular. So
the first question I always ask people is what's something
unique that you always have in your backpack when you
go hiking?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
But I'm gonna say I'm gonna switch it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
What is something unique to you that you always have
with you when you go into the woods to do
your own research for this subject of bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That you're that you're doing that you're investigating.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I have a three sixty camera, so I like to
bring that with me so and I don't always use it,
but I like to have it because if things feel off,
I can turn that on and just hold it on,
hold it up over my head and walk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Through the walk through the forest. So if there was
something following me tracking me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
I'd be able to see it when I go back
and review that footage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Well, I love that. I've actually never heard that. That's
very cool. Yeah, very very smart too.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Do you have any microphones and recorders set up in
like different places just always recording to get audio or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
No, No, I don't, because I'm always traveling to some
place different. You know, I'm I live here in ford In.
I have a handful of folks who've reached out to
me in the in this particular area. I have a
couple of areas that I'm interested in that obviously I
had some sort of activity I do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I did pick up some trail cams and things like that.
I put those out there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I haven't gotten anything out of it, but I do
plan on this, uh you know, later this fall and
into the winter doing a lot of work here in
my pound.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So I'll be doing a lot more of that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Cool I would based on a buddy who is does
this exact same thing, and some things I've heard recording
wise from him that have move just blow your mind.
I'll give you this little put put you onto this
little hot tip too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Using using AI. So he has a couple.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
He has a recorder going at all times at this
place in Texas that the owners are like, we have
bigfoot here, Like they're a nuisance.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I wish they'd go away.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So he put a recorder out there recording for like
over a month on just like one run, just run.
And then what he did was, you know, obviously, who
has time to listen to that? How can you listen
to that month much audio?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
With AI? You can?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Like, what he did was analyze other recordings that are
like typically known bigfoot sounds, whoops, et cetera, and then
run it through run the AI saw AI stuff through
the you know, month of recording to find those little
bits and then you could really quickly scan through them
and right, dude, it's wild wide he found. But the

(01:06:01):
reason I say this to you is because he was
able to find it super fast using AI technology instead
of having to sit there and actually sift through months
of audio, which nobody in the world could ever have
time for. So I just want to put you on
to that you know, worshape because I feel like, be
given the fact that people reach out to you personally,

(01:06:21):
I'm willing to bet there's a lot of people that
have these things on their property and just tossing a
recorder on there that, you know, for forty bucks for
a month could be pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Next question that I ask people, now that I told
you how to do what you're doing, I'm just I'm
a sound guy, right like, that's what That's what I
did for a long time, so for a living. So
now as the second question is always what makes the
Adirondacks a unique place in your opinion? And we're in
terms of like your niche, here your subject.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Love the Adirondacks because it's it's just so wild, right,
you can you can be here's here. It is like
if I go to Newcombe, right, Newcomb's basically one road.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
You can you can grab yourself a cup of coffee,
keep going. Next thing you know, you're driving through the
forest again. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
And I've been stuck out in snowstorms, just sitting on
the side of the road in the middle of the
around deck park, not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Being able to go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
But I'd like to put the drone up in areas
where I can, right, and I'll just pop it straight
up and I don't really fly it around. I just
go straight up and I do a three sixty on
what I'm looking at around me, And once the drone
goes up the street high enough to where the street
disappears around one hundred and fifteen feet, so you're not
seeing anything before us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
And then when you do the panorama.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
You can see the peaks, the mountains, the forest, and
you see that there's nothing out there. Yeah, you're one
little street. You feel like you're safe in that one
spot where you're at. Maybe you are, maybe you ain't,
but it's just so vast.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I also have a deep appreciation for the fall, the winter,
early spring, before all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
The spectators start to come to town.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Because right now, I mean, I drove I had to
go to I had to go to Rome for work
the other day this week, so I left and I
was out there for two days and then drove back through.
And I and if it takes me an extra thirty
forty five minutes, but I can cut through the park
instead of hitting ninety and doing all that, then I
do it. And I did that, and I tell you what,

(01:08:35):
I passed two cars out a two and a half
hour drive, and I was like, this is fantastic because
it's so beautiful. It's fall, it's midweek, there's nobody out there,
and you're just you're just really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
In the wild. So it's just it's just it's just
so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
How how much the area changes, because it's it's so
populated during the spring and summer months and early and
then truly just drops off and you're a you're in
a different land after that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I really like what you said about how you feel
like you're somewhere when you're on your road, but then
when you when you know, you zoom up one hundred
and fifty feet, you realize you were just in the
middle of the freaking wilderness, even though you feel safe
on your little street, your little road. I always joke that,
you know, yeah, talk about you know, like the Upper

(01:09:27):
Works trailhead, the Santanoni's trailhead in the high Peaks. It's
thirty miles from the highway, and you're just there's just
a single road that's taking you there, like you are
so deep in the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
When you're where you're going, you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Might feel like you're only a mile from the road,
but really you're a mile from a road which is
thirty miles from like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
The next road.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
So You're really just you have a little little, you know,
twenty foot trail that you're on on the road. Yep,
you're not really in like civilization. So I feel like
that that was interesting. Appreciates that. And my final question
I always ask people why do you hike or why
do you go in the outdoor? So for you, why
do you find yourself searching for these things and putting
your time into doing this thing, this bigfoot thing, Like

(01:10:13):
what is the reason that you keep going out and
continuing to do this?

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I am?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
I like to say, I'm an artist at heart, right,
growing up by anything anything artistic, I would do it
at vivid imagination. I would much rather plan the dirt
with my my mashbox cars and hang out with other people,
you know, by myself, right, you know, So when I
think about, you know, growing up and having that sense

(01:10:44):
of adventure and imagination to be able to wonder, uh,
what else could there be or what else could be
out there? Kind of kind of thinking in a different
way than most folks, right, And I do this what
I mean, And this isn't like I appreciate you because
I see your bigfoot socks every once in a while
and all that and I know that you have your

(01:11:05):
podcast once a year and you're in you have an
interest in a love for bigfoot, right. But some folks
who are hiking their hikers. Some folks who hunt are hunters.
Some people you know are kayakers. They're kayakers, right, So
they're not they're not looking outside through a different lens,
you know, They're just focused on their lens and their view,

(01:11:27):
and they're not really thinking bigger. They're not thinking thirty
thousand feet up, what are the possibilities or where you're
standing in the middle of six million acres, you know.
So you know when I think what I think that way,
I go, there's this This is just amazing, Right, I'm
just flabberg acid.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
You know, I see a blue jay, I'm like, oh
my god, where did it come from? You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
So it's, uh, it's super cool to be out in
the wilderness and you know, just just experience in nature.
You know, I saw a deer swimming for the first time.
Freaked me out. I I didn't know beer swam, you know,
so different things like that. It just it just it
really makes you your imagination not run wild, but make

(01:12:10):
you understand that anything is really possible out there and
the Adirondick Park is is just so beautiful and so
many people love it and for for different reasons in
different ways, whether they're coming just for the summer or
for a hike for the peaks or you know, Lake
Placid in the winter, whatever it may be, right, but
there's a there's a purpose at a reason, and then

(01:12:32):
also the history of it all to really go back
and if you watch any of my videos, I kick
the ball off with the history of that area so
that you can learn a little bit about the first
Forge and Old Forge and that's why it's called Old
Forge or the Olympics out of Lake Classid or whatever
whatever it may be from that made that town what

(01:12:53):
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Paul Smith's started as a uh uh moti for the elite,
right where super rich people including former presidents hung out
there hang drinking whiskey and smoking cigars on the lake.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
And then it burnt down and now we have a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
College, you know, So there's it's it's so interesting to understand.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Where we were, where we are, where we are today.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
And I love the fact that we're protecting it, like
you know, I shared that Kathy hokel Our governor of
New York State is looking to grab some more acreage
and protect it, and some folks are not happy with that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
I think that should be the way it should be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
You know, as much of the Atroatic Park we can protect,
we should protect it, because we forested the whole thing multiple.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Times, you know, so it was all cut down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Just think about if we lived back in that day
and they were just just cutting it down and running
logs through the river rivers and set you know, selling
them off and and building things down in Virginia with it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
That that's that would be really sad. We'd be really
sad about that, you know. So I'm excited about the
history about where we are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
I definitely look at things through a different lens and appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
The wild I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
And shout out to Verplank Colvin for seeing that we
were logging the Adirondacks to death and deciding to do
stright about it in the late nineteenth century.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Shout out to Verplank Fulvin. Very cool. All right, well, Johnny,
where can people find you online? Facebook? On YouTube is
where we live.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Facebook is where we're keeping everybody up to date every day.
We also have some fun so share some fun memes
and poke fun too as well as as well as
some scientific stuff, and share some of the content content
that I create and put out on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
All right, very good, Well, Adirondack Bigfoot on YouTube and Facebook.
Check it out, give him a follow. Thanks for coming
on the podcast, Johnny. And with that, we're going to
wrap up the sixth annual Foot in the Blue Line
episode right here in the forty six to forty six podcast,
And that will sadly wrap up the October Sessions here

(01:15:08):
in twenty twenty five, but we'll be back next October
with some more spooky fun and some just more different
things here in the Adirondacks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
This October Sessions was all about my Left No Trace series,
which featured people who vanished and disappeared throughout the Adirondack
Park unsolved missing persons cases. The Adirondacks is vast, the
Adirondacks is wild. Be careful when you're out there. Bigfoots
are out there as well. I have no doubts about it.

(01:15:38):
You could put a gun to my head and I
would say, yep, one thousand percent, zero zero doubts about that.
But I love this subject, you guys know I love
the subject, and if you've been with me from the
start and you've always listened to these episodes, I really
appreciate you. It's fun getting to be a big Foot
podcaster for a week or two a year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
But that will wrap up this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
In the October sessions, head over to forty six outdoors
dot com. Find out when the next Great Range Athlete
group is going, what I can do to help you
have safe and successful adventures here in the Adirondack Mountains,
and just ultimately have a good time when you're out
in the woods, because I want you to have a good, safe,
successful adventure all around the Adirondack Park. Head to forty
six outdoors dot com. But remember it always leave no trace.

(01:16:18):
Do the rock walk and if you carry it in,
carry it out. See you in the trails.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
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