Ep. 226: DUNCAN TRUSSELL RETURNS in the MACARENA OF MADNESS

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Duncan: Breaking news! (00:00):
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Jason: You really want to go down the end of the building spot. (00:01):
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Duncan: When you see people happily, shamelessly doing the Macarena. (00:05):
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Jason: This is like you're rebelling against Star Wars by wearing a Darth Vader costume. (00:11):
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Duncan: It's like the whole thing. It's this incredible combination of personal autonomy, (00:14):
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Duncan: self-expression, going outside of default reality. (00:19):
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Duncan: Mixed in with like shudder inducing bacchanalian (00:23):
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Duncan: hieronymus bosh style fucking at (00:28):
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Duncan: convention centers that led me to furry porn you just study the swing dance (00:31):
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Duncan: kids and you'll know why hitler froze the power we'll say the right is demonic (00:36):
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Duncan: the people on the right will certainly say the left is demonic that got me thinking possession maybe. (00:42):
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Jason: Americans are just (00:50):
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Duncan: Demonic dj uncle sam Instagram has dropped a new beat. (00:51):
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Duncan: Thank you. It took a long time to get. It's not easy to get type 2. (02:07):
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Duncan: You have to really dedicate yourself to eating Skittles. (02:10):
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Jason: Oh man. (02:13):
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Duncan: Focus. expensive too. (02:15):
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Jason: So are you, how's that going for you now? You're, everyone's on a Zemic now. (02:19):
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Jason: I'm not, but I was on ketamine and lost like 80 pounds, but that was for depression treatment. (02:23):
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Duncan: Lovely ketamine. I miss those days. Well, because like I'm on it for like what (02:30):
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Duncan: it was used for originally. (02:36):
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Duncan: The problem with me getting on it is like, I don't really want to lose weight. (02:40):
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Duncan: And the way it works is it activates, what are they, peptides? (02:46):
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Duncan: It's basically when you eat, chemicals are released that make you not hungry. (02:52):
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Duncan: And so somehow it's doing that, which triggers insulin. (02:56):
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Duncan: And so that's what gets your blood sugar down. But because of that, I'm not hungry. (03:02):
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Duncan: So now i have to like make myself eat so like i have to like you know what i (03:07):
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Duncan: mean you have to you have to even though you're you will eat half of a burrito (03:12):
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Duncan: or whatever and be like i am, (03:16):
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Duncan: totally full and so you have to like power through and eat the rest or you'll (03:18):
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Duncan: lose weight and i don't want to lose weight but it's amazing i just saw sanjay (03:22):
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Duncan: gupta talking about it on cnn and he was saying it's fascinating because it (03:27):
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Duncan: is showing that obesity is a disease of the mind, (03:33):
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Duncan: that it's actually a neurological condition wait how so because theoretically (03:38):
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Duncan: people who are overeating are overeating because either those peptides aren't (03:43):
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Duncan: releasing like they're not getting the signal. (03:50):
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Jason: You're full it's like literally like a neurological yeah not just like a (03:53):
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Duncan: Willpower no they're fucking hungry they want to eat because they like the like (03:56):
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Duncan: a normal person eats and you're full and that's you think that's because you (04:01):
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Duncan: ate the food ozempic shows you no that's not because you ate the food it's because (04:07):
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Duncan: these peptides or whatever it is are telling your brain you're full oh. (04:11):
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Jason: So like you like you eat when you're on ozempic and you don't feel (04:15):
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Duncan: Full you on ozempic you eat and you feel very full right away okay because you're (04:18):
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Duncan: you're like you're already your brain is already like i guess we ate i don't (04:23):
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Duncan: remember eating and but then you eat and now the thing you were looking for (04:27):
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Duncan: which is like i guess you had trained yourself to like, (04:33):
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Duncan: release those peptides according to however much you (04:37):
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Duncan: eat it's happening i guess i don't know i and i'm not even sure it's called (04:39):
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Duncan: i can't remember what it's called but it's it's really curious it's a curious (04:44):
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Duncan: thing because it doesn't just do that a lot of people report not wanting to (04:48):
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Duncan: drink as much a lot of like addictive behaviors kind of go out the window too which is curious That. (04:52):
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Jason: Also makes you wonder, what are we consuming in our diet that is causing those (04:59):
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Jason: addiction pathways, you know? (05:04):
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Jason: Not to go full rfk jr but yeah maybe we should maybe we should take the corn (05:07):
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Jason: syrup out of things absolutely are you fucking things like that i mean god knows (05:10):
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Jason: what they're putting in like you mentioned skittles it's like i'm sure that (05:15):
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Jason: there are tons of compounds in our food that are meant to be addictive well i (05:18):
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Duncan: Mean there are foods that you (05:22):
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Duncan: can buy at the grocery store that (05:25):
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Duncan: would be illegal in europe because they're like that's poison (05:28):
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Duncan: so in america that regulation hasn't (05:31):
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Duncan: happen particularly in the dyes everyone knows about the dyes like the idea (05:34):
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Duncan: was your kid eats sugar it goes insane it's not the sugar a lot of these dyes (05:38):
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Duncan: they they they change like hormonally they like do they have a huge systemic (05:43):
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Duncan: impact that has nothing to do with sugar it's the dyes they've. (05:50):
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Jason: Got to know this because they i'm sure they have to do lots of studies and things (05:53):
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Jason: like that to get that through so they have to know that they do and one thing (05:57):
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Jason: that i learned that is Because if you really want to go down in the Cthulhu's butthole, (06:02):
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Jason: looking at just how food policy is made in America is really shocking. (06:08):
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Jason: It's like there's a revolving door between the head of the FDA and the head (06:13):
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Jason: of Monsanto that goes back and forth and Archer Daniels Midland and things like that. (06:17):
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Jason: And all the, like you were saying the thing about things that are illegal in Europe. (06:22):
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Jason: The reason that all that stuff, or excuse me, that it's illegal to label certain (06:26):
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Jason: foods in America in ways that it would be legal in Europe. For instance, (06:31):
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Jason: it was for a while you couldn't label something as either GMO or non-GMO. (06:35):
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Jason: And the reason is because our food system is completely taken over by lobbyists. (06:39):
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Duncan: There you go. (06:43):
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Jason: And that's it. That's all it is. (06:44):
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Duncan: You know, this is the thing like, you know, obviously I love the idea of term (06:45):
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Duncan: limits when it comes to politicians. (06:49):
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Duncan: But the negative side of term limits when it comes to politicians is that it's (06:52):
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Duncan: going to inspire more kowtowing to corpos because you know if there's a term (06:58):
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Duncan: limit you're out in however many years you need a. (07:04):
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Jason: Job right you got to get that consulting money (07:06):
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Duncan: There you go that's right you got to kiss the ass of some corporation because (07:09):
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Duncan: once you're out and you fought back you're gonna be like fuck you man we you (07:13):
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Duncan: you cost us billions of dollars by getting the dyes out of our food. (07:19):
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Duncan: And I think that's the motive is not they want Skittles to look cool. (07:23):
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Duncan: I think the motive is it's probably cheaper to because there's other ways. (07:27):
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Duncan: Like one of the red dyes that they use comes from a bug. (07:32):
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Jason: Oh, red five is beetles, crushed up beetles. (07:37):
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Duncan: And I think the crushed up beetles are more expensive than the chemical that (07:39):
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Duncan: fucks up your hormones. So they could easily make red Skittles. (07:43):
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Duncan: They're just not going to make as much money from the Skittles if they use... (07:47):
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Duncan: Other forms of. (07:52):
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Jason: Dye you don't think that they would look at the side effects of things like (07:52):
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Jason: that and say like you know if we can rewire somebody's neurology to want our (07:56):
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Jason: food more you don't think they would do that i think they would doritos i mean cigarettes (08:00):
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Duncan: The the yeah you know there's already a precedent for that where they were fully (08:04):
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Duncan: aware of how addictive cigarettes were and they and they wanted to make them (08:09):
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Duncan: more addictive jesus christ man try buying cigarettes in canada it's. (08:13):
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Jason: Hilarious oh i have yeah because i lived up there for a while they're like they're (08:17):
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Jason: like 50 not literally but they're practically 50 a pack and they have pictures (08:21):
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Jason: of um like lung cancer on them (08:25):
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Duncan: They're not displayed they're in a drawer so you don't get triggered because (08:27):
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Duncan: a big part of the attic is triggering so you go and you look at the cigarettes (08:31):
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Duncan: and that part of yourself gets triggered and then you and then you want a cigarette so you can't see. (08:35):
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Jason: Them remember bill hicks joke about that no or he was like saying like they (08:39):
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Jason: all had they have lots of different labels so you just have to pick the one (08:42):
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Jason: that's right for you i forget exactly how he put it but There's just like, (08:45):
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Jason: there's the lung cancer one and then the, the smoking may kill babies, (08:49):
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Duncan: Right? (08:53):
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Jason: It's like, oh, give me the, give me the smoking kills babies. (08:53):
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Jason: We give me the secondhand smoke. Yeah, it definitely like, (08:55):
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Duncan: You know, I do sort of hate regulation like that because I think a human being (08:59):
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Duncan: should be allowed to destroy themselves if they want to. (09:05):
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Duncan: The and also i i worry about the sort of subconscious affirmation of something being. (09:10):
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Jason: Unhealthy like how much (09:18):
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Duncan: Does it impact you when you're looking at it that you're gonna die if you do this yeah well then. (09:20):
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Jason: You're gonna you know like freud's concept of the death drive yeah (09:25):
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Jason: yeah then you get into that and that's uh anything well (09:28):
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Jason: that's like something that people just haven't figured out for some reason in (09:31):
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Jason: our society as soon as you make something forbidden that's what people want (09:35):
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Jason: it's like the most obvious thing so if you may if you cancel something if you (09:39):
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Jason: make it taboo if you you know force it to you know onto some dark corner of (09:43):
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Jason: the internet all of a sudden that's going to be the thing that everyone wants this is (09:46):
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Duncan: What i've been thinking about man it's just sort of how like (09:50):
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Duncan: to be reactionary is (09:54):
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Duncan: to be reflective in the (09:58):
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Duncan: opposite you're literally a mirror of the thing that (10:01):
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Duncan: you are rebelling against so so (10:04):
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Duncan: the thing you think that you're you're liberated or something you're doing something (10:07):
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Duncan: free but if that free thing is a rejection of something so that you end up doing (10:12):
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Duncan: the opposite just because that's your idea of rebellion you are the same thing (10:19):
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Duncan: you're the thing looking at itself in the. (10:24):
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Jason: Mirror right well this is like this is like always my point about satanism this (10:26):
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Jason: is like you're rebelling against star wars by wearing a darth vader costume i've (10:29):
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Duncan: I love that. (10:32):
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Jason: It's just like take go go become a buddhist or put on to thelamite or something (10:34):
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Jason: you know it's like there's lots of great spirit i'm not anti-satanism it's just like i mean they're (10:39):
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Duncan: So sweet my satanic friends are so. (10:44):
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Jason: Sweet yeah but they're christians you know well (10:47):
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Duncan: Don't tell them that it's rude you know the or their feelings. (10:52):
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Jason: That's how you (10:57):
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Duncan: Heard his feelings it's, (10:58):
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Duncan: this is the thing i've been thinking a lot about lately post-election you know (11:01):
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Duncan: i'm sure you've seen them people have made these montages nervous. (11:08):
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Jason: Breakdowns yes the glorious salt mining (11:12):
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Duncan: The salt mining and so you know whenever i'm watching that stuff outside of (11:15):
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Duncan: just a sort of like the way we all you know you slow down to look at a car accident (11:19):
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Duncan: or whatever i've really been thinking about the qualities within each of these videos, (11:24):
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Duncan: the similarity in the way these people are addressing the sort of re repeating certain phrases. (11:32):
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Jason: You're talking about like people like crying and (11:42):
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Duncan: Screaming on tick tock. Yes. (11:43):
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Jason: Like right after they carefully set their phone up, right? (11:45):
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Duncan: After you're right for formative nervous breakdown. It's great. (11:48):
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Duncan: Very entertaining. It will get you a lot of action online. (11:52):
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Duncan: But if you sort of look at the left and right polarity right now, (11:56):
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Duncan: conservative, liberal, in terms of the egregore, (12:03):
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Duncan: in terms of on the left and the right, If you look at this, this bundle of ideology (12:09):
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Duncan: and the traits associated with it, (12:17):
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Duncan: the fashion associated with it, because the politics has an aesthetic. (12:22):
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Duncan: Then it's really interesting to think you know my friends on the left will say (12:27):
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Duncan: their right is demonic the people on the right will certainly say the left is (12:32):
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Duncan: demonic that got me thinking possession. (12:37):
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Jason: Maybe americans are just demonic i mean that's how the rest of the world (12:40):
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Duncan: I mean if we're yeah because we've been smooshed into (12:43):
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Duncan: a fucking idiot binary and yeah and that binary has (12:46):
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Duncan: the great satan built into the binary are (12:49):
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Duncan: two main personality types these personality types (12:52):
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Duncan: are similar to dance styles you know you go to a wedding people do the fucking (12:56):
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Duncan: macarena you want to put a gun in your mouth a gun that is the times that i (13:01):
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Duncan: have really thought of somebody just told me you can't say commit suicide anymore (13:07):
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Duncan: you're unaliving myself this. (13:11):
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Jason: Is gonna go on youtube (13:15):
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Duncan: That's way creepier than committing suicide by the way unaliving. (13:16):
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Jason: Like this weird orwellian social (13:20):
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Duncan: Unaliving myself but whatever you (13:22):
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Duncan: want to call it those those are the times when i've really (13:25):
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Duncan: felt the abyss when you see people happily shamelessly doing the macarena they're (13:28):
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Duncan: not even thinking this is an abomination like it would be better to like have (13:36):
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Duncan: your hands in pagan trails and throwing them into a fucking fire i've. (13:41):
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Jason: Been to some shows like that (13:47):
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Duncan: No better better than doing a macarena and you're happy you look like and also (13:48):
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Duncan: the pride when you see people doing the macarena the people who are good at (13:55):
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Duncan: it oh yeah macarena pride baby well. (13:59):
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Jason: When i was when i was in high school the worst people were the swing dance kids (14:03):
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Duncan: Don't even get me started on the swing dance and. (14:07):
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Jason: This was in the late 90s you know like like in the hierarchy of social groups in high school. (14:10):
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Jason: They were well, well, yeah. Vile. (14:17):
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Jason: You want to understand? I mean, below ska, that's how bad it was. (14:20):
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Duncan: You just study the swing dance kids and you'll know why Hitler froze the power. (14:24):
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Duncan: Now, the, the, the, but truly like when you start looking at this as a kind (14:30):
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Duncan: of like, I don't want to say demonic possession, because it's, (14:36):
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Duncan: it's not quite accurate, but if you look at it as a kind of like, (14:39):
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Duncan: the egregore is an entity the entity has characteristics traits it has built inside. (14:43):
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Jason: Of it yeah it's a meme (14:50):
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Duncan: Plex it's a meme plex yeah a meme plex that's about (14:51):
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Duncan: it so if you look at people on the left (14:54):
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Duncan: and on the right as doing a form of macarena it's a dance and the music that (14:57):
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Duncan: they're dancing to is the song of the politician the song of the propaganda (15:06):
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Duncan: and they're dancing in step to this song i. (15:11):
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Jason: Just saw a great quote on twitter that was from cicero the roman the roman writer (15:15):
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Jason: where he said politicians are not born they are excreted but yeah i'd say but (15:19):
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Jason: the crazy thing with that is too (15:24):
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Duncan: That the. (15:25):
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Jason: Way people are now they're so oversensitized because of the internet that as (15:26):
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Jason: soon as you see somebody even doing a slight signifier from the other tribe (15:30):
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Jason: now everything they do and say is off off the (15:34):
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Duncan: Table okay now i understand that's an immune response because that there's a at the very least a or an. (15:37):
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Jason: Overactive autoimmune response maybe well (15:42):
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Duncan: If if we if you start so like look if you look at the the memeplex egregore (15:45):
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Duncan: as a vi a vi it functions as a virus it you know there's still a question like (15:50):
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Duncan: is a virus even alive like what the fuck is it so it's a protein yeah so this one there there's. (15:56):
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Jason: A we got to do gain of function to find (16:02):
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Duncan: Out well they are doing gain of function it's it's called tiktok. (16:04):
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Jason: Actually that that's a good point that's like thinking social media gain of function that's (16:11):
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Duncan: Man social media is gain of function for the they probably run. (16:15):
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Jason: That out of the wuhan labs too (16:18):
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Duncan: Tiktok oh and i think you could argue that the, (16:19):
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Duncan: political egregore is far more dangerous than most bioweapons that that are out there right now. (16:24):
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Jason: It's crazy i mean it's interesting though (16:30):
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Jason: don't you think that the salt mining this (16:32):
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Jason: time around was kind of subdued like i feel like there (16:35):
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Jason: was definitely some freakouts online but compared to 2016 which was apocalyptic (16:38):
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Jason: it kind of feels like people just crumpled and then we're like really all they (16:42):
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Jason: got was like i'm quitting twitter for the 15th time i'm going to blue sky i (16:48):
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Jason: love i to There wasn't a whole lot of freakout. Dude. (16:52):
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Jason: We went downtown to UT Austin and Capitol Hill right after the election to see (16:57):
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Jason: what was going on. Nothing. (17:02):
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Duncan: Well, I'll send you some clips. Okay. Now, and that's not a representative demographic. (17:03):
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Duncan: I mean, anything you're seeing online is the most extreme. (17:07):
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Jason: Well, you don't think UT Austin they would have been protesting? They were protesting? (17:10):
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Duncan: I feel like the new mechanism of expressing your dismay is not, yeah. (17:14):
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Duncan: And it's more effective if you think about it in terms of views like you go (17:23):
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Duncan: out on campus and have a breakdown you're like what who's gonna see it like (17:27):
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Duncan: if you go if your breakdown goes viral it's huge you could have the top breakdown of the day but they. (17:31):
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Jason: Should have leaderboards (17:38):
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Duncan: Dude an incredible new sport or game show but but you know when you, (17:40):
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Duncan: So that response, I get it. (17:47):
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Duncan: That's the response because you've identified with your team and you've adopted (17:51):
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Duncan: some aesthetic or trait or mode of communication that harmonizes with your team. (17:57):
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Duncan: And there's some energy investment in that. (18:03):
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Duncan: You know, you've either been red pilled, you've gone down the rabbit hole and (18:06):
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Duncan: you've constructed an identity that is made up of all of these ideas that represent (18:11):
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Duncan: your team. and that takes some work. (18:16):
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Duncan: Now, to be infiltrated by the other team via data could not just lead to all (18:19):
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Duncan: the work you put into assembling your costume going out the window, (18:27):
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Duncan: but it could also lead to cognitive dissonance, (18:31):
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Duncan: meaning you no longer are perfectly harmonizing with the idiot Macarena you're (18:35):
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Duncan: doing on your side of the fence. So you're going to be out of step a little bit. (18:38):
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Jason: What would an example of that be, being infiltrated by data? (18:42):
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Duncan: So an example of being infiltrated by data. (18:45):
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Duncan: Let me think. So on the left, let's start there. So let's see. (18:49):
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Duncan: On the left, what we saw, whether they like it or not, they just got sledgehammered (18:54):
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Duncan: by data, which is they, it's red now. (19:01):
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Duncan: Everything's red the entire country that they thought was aligning with their (19:06):
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Duncan: particular set of ideas right does not align with their set of ideas now they (19:11):
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Duncan: have been infiltrated with that data and that's a tough pill to swallow they (19:15):
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Duncan: literally got a red pill the entire country is now red and they had to swallow that pill no. (19:19):
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Jason: It's it's insane they lost the president they lost the (19:26):
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Jason: executive they lost the supreme court they lost both branches of congress and (19:28):
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Jason: they've lost social media and they've lost the culture which in you know in (19:32):
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Jason: the 60s they did the long march through the institutions where the the the plan (19:37):
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Jason: was to get power in the culture and in academia (19:44):
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Duncan: Yeah now they. (19:47):
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Jason: Don't even have (19:48):
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Duncan: That and they worked real hard to do that and they did (19:48):
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Duncan: a good job and for a while aligning yourself (19:51):
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Duncan: with conservatism was the least (19:54):
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Duncan: cool fucking thing you could do put (19:58):
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Duncan: a gun in your mouth are you fucking crazy and (20:01):
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Duncan: and so what happened is on the right (20:05):
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Duncan: they recognize the efficacy of infiltrating the culture and they did it better (20:08):
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Duncan: and so now there's a shift where if you align with the left you're no longer cool you think. (20:17):
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Jason: So well for sure I (20:25):
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Duncan: Mean, I mean, you. (20:27):
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Jason: Don't think that's just within like the kind of like our social sphere. (20:28):
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Jason: I mean, we're in Texas, you know, podcasting, things like that. (20:32):
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Jason: I mean, I'm sure if we were still in L.A., (20:37):
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Duncan: It might be different. You know, I am so... (20:39):
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Duncan: Terrified of the filter bubble because it makes you irrelevant that i was very (20:44):
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Duncan: you know i when the elections were happening and just and because i you know (20:50):
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Duncan: i come on the road all the time meet people all over the place not just fans (20:54):
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Duncan: people just people and in like and i know that is not, (20:58):
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Duncan: a representative what do they call it that's not a co is it a cohort that whatever (21:04):
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Duncan: like subjective interactions i have obviously that is not good data if you're (21:09):
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Jason: Mood well here's the thing right and i just i don't want to detractly move away (21:17):
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Jason: from that but just to add to what you were saying you were talking about being (21:23):
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Jason: infiltrated by data i think that what happened is the democratic party is largely (21:27):
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Jason: the party of social engineering neurolinguistic (21:32):
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Duncan: Programming yeah data. (21:35):
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Jason: Analysis and i think that they did the Nate Silver thing, again, (21:36):
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Jason: where they just looked at all this data and thought that they could socially (21:40):
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Jason: engineer an outcome based on whatever data they're getting from Facebook and (21:44):
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Jason: things like, you know, their data mining operations. (21:49):
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Jason: And, you know, somebody put out the spend on Kamala's campaign, (21:52):
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Jason: and it's just a whole lot of like data analysis and hiring celebrities and things like that. (21:56):
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Jason: But the reality is that, you know, (22:00):
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Jason: you can fool some people some of the time and you can fool but you (22:03):
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Jason: can't fool everyone all the time and at the core (22:07):
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Jason: i think there is a fundamental american character we like freedom we don't like (22:10):
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Jason: being told what to do we like having we like playing with our kids and drinking (22:14):
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Jason: beer in our houses we don't like being you don't have being corrected right (22:18):
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Jason: and i think that at the end of the day that really it's just nobody was buying (22:22):
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Jason: what they were selling well yeah (22:27):
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Duncan: And the other problem i think. (22:29):
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Jason: So so just my final point is so So when you're saying you're going out and meeting (22:30):
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Jason: people, I think that's more valid than like you're looking at a data source. (22:33):
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Duncan: It felt valid to me, but also because I'm in Texas, you know, because like, you know, (22:37):
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Duncan: I am as susceptible as anybody to getting sucked into some kind of bullshit (22:43):
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Duncan: thing that is parading as default reality, but it's a distortion. (22:47):
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Duncan: I, when I like, you know, what I was telling my wife, Trump's going to win. (22:52):
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Duncan: Like they're not going to win. Like also I had been following very closely the, (22:56):
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Duncan: the way that the DNC or the Harris campaign had been astroturfing. (23:01):
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Duncan: So I knew that like, i started recognizing (23:07):
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Duncan: linguistic patterns in comment sections oh (23:10):
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Duncan: like what like what well it's a it's a so the (23:14):
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Duncan: it it seems like (23:18):
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Duncan: the strategy is within so (23:22):
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Duncan: an idea emerges that's antithetical to (23:25):
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Duncan: your campaign whatever it may be and maybe (23:29):
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Duncan: that idea is actually valid but instead of addressing that idea is invalid in (23:32):
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Duncan: the comment section you hijack it with a new idea that pushes the discourse (23:39):
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Duncan: away from the fundamental idea thread hijack it's brilliant yeah and but i so. (23:46):
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Jason: That's an intelligence agency thing that came out of intel i've seen papers from gchq and things (23:52):
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Duncan: Like that it's so smart yeah and and it fucks up it's it's essentially like (23:57):
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Duncan: you know you go to the beehive and you put smoke under the beehive and it slows the bees down. (24:01):
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Duncan: It's some version of doing that. You like you're smoking out the beehive so (24:06):
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Duncan: that you're fucking up the function of a collaborative reasoning. (24:10):
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Duncan: And then in that, maybe that fogginess confusion emerges and in the confusion, people. (24:15):
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Duncan: People become less interested in knowledge and more interested in belief, (24:22):
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Duncan: charisma, and that's on both sides. Right. (24:27):
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Jason: Well, now all this is probably automated AI. I'm sure you get troll comments (24:29):
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Jason: that are clearly from bots and things like that. (24:35):
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Jason: One of the things I always do, I'll get a comment that sounds like it's somebody (24:37):
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Jason: reacting to what I've said. (24:41):
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Jason: And often they can even have personal information about me, but it sounds slightly off. (24:43):
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Jason: And then I'll just start asking at GPT prompts and it'll come out with different things. (24:46):
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Duncan: There you go. There you go. My first taste of this was ages ago, (24:50):
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Duncan: Beto O'Rourke is running for- Did. (24:57):
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Jason: You say beta? (25:00):
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Duncan: Beta. Beto O'Rourke. Yeah. Beta O'Rourke. (25:01):
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Jason: Beta. Beta. (25:05):
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Duncan: So, you know, someone in that time living in Los Angeles, I did what nowadays (25:06):
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Duncan: is somewhat unforgivable, which is like I sort of glowingly retweeted some speech he was giving. (25:11):
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Jason: Wait wait i think we were i remember this i think we were we were high one time (25:17):
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Jason: and you're on ketamine you were going on about about beto o'rourke yeah but (25:21):
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Jason: you were talking this was like what five years ago you were talking about how (25:25):
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Jason: he was being like injected into people's consciousness well (25:28):
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Duncan: Yeah that was happening because he definitely had these characteristics that (25:31):
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Duncan: i think the dnc was looking at like is that a president and and is he gonna (25:36):
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Duncan: make texas blue and you know at the time living in the filter bubble of LA. (25:40):
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Duncan: He appealed to me, but I wasn't really sold. He seemed a little salesman-y or (25:45):
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Duncan: something, but I like something he said. I don't remember what. (25:49):
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Duncan: And I retweeted it. Jesus Christ. (25:52):
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Duncan: Like, why the fuck is someone living in Los Angeles getting involved in Texas (25:55):
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Duncan: politics? It's like truly, truly satanic, truly dark. (25:58):
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Duncan: But regardless, a flurry of instantaneous comments. (26:01):
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Duncan: That's signal one. If you're getting like an immediate instantaneous, (26:06):
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Duncan: well thought out response that seems cut and pasted that's a signal that you are either engaging. (26:10):
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Jason: With a bot (26:18):
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Duncan: Or just someone who's working in a like a call center well you know. (26:18):
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Jason: They used to have that thing called correct the record which is just if you (26:21):
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Jason: remember that during the 2016 where hillary just had this huge bank of people (26:24):
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Jason: being paid like pennies a post to just go and post stuff on pages now i think it's all ai i (26:29):
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Duncan: Think it's people too. (26:35):
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Jason: Okay and there's a lot of people that clearly there's also like meme accounts (26:36):
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Jason: on both sides where you look or for various foreign governments so you look (26:40):
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Jason: at it's clearly people in a call center in (26:44):
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Duncan: India well yeah 100 because you can always tell if you (26:45):
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Duncan: go back on their x thread blue skies thread (26:48):
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Duncan: whatever the fuck you're using go and look at how much they're posting and you (26:51):
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Duncan: will realize they don't sleep right they're posting on a 24-hour cycle somehow (26:56):
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Duncan: they don't sleep right and so that's the sign that that is a AI or a call center (27:00):
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Duncan: or someone just getting like chump change for posting shit. But this person, (27:05):
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Duncan: use the term demigod and i (27:12):
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Duncan: thought that was interesting because you don't hear that word thrown around a lot online right (27:16):
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Duncan: and and whatever but then another person used the (27:20):
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Duncan: same word and another person used the same word i'm like wait there's (27:22):
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Duncan: no way three people in less than 10 minutes are using that word (27:26):
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Duncan: on twitter bullshit and then (27:29):
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Duncan: that's when i started looking into it and realized the (27:32):
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Duncan: obvious if you have x number of followers there's a little file on you that (27:35):
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Duncan: is in a data bank somewhere that probably can use be used by any of these call (27:40):
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Duncan: centers so they can personalize their response in a way that makes you feel (27:44):
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Duncan: a little affectionate towards the person in the sense this person. (27:49):
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Jason: This is trivial to do with code you just read the person's tweets and then you (27:53):
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Jason: know you basically do a you train an ai model there you (27:57):
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Duncan: Go so more or less anyway the point is because of the signal jamming because (28:00):
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Duncan: of the astroturfing the filter bubbles get enforced And I think the strategy (28:05):
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Duncan: there is you're thinking, and it's really fucked up. (28:12):
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Duncan: This particular strategy is so unethical. (28:16):
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Duncan: So the idea would be you want your candidate to win, not because of social pressure, (28:19):
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Duncan: but because whatever idea they're putting out there, (28:26):
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Duncan: whatever policy they're saying they're going to do is good, (28:31):
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Duncan: logical, sense, rational. (28:35):
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Jason: Right. (28:37):
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Duncan: So if you're trying to wag the dog and get your candidate elected, (28:38):
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Duncan: not through policy, but through social pressure, particularly. (28:43):
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Duncan: Basic human need to be in the majority i don't want to be on the losing. (28:48):
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Jason: Team right then (28:54):
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Duncan: You you what you're doing in in that case is very destructive because it's totally. (28:55):
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Jason: Destructive of the social fabric and of trust and (29:03):
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Duncan: Yeah the social. (29:06):
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Jason: Contract period yeah and i think people are sick of it (29:07):
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Jason: and that's what we saw in the election and i think (29:09):
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Jason: america would have behaved the same way if the other side had been (29:12):
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Jason: doing everything the democrats has i don't even necessarily think it (29:15):
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Jason: is about policy i think people don't like being told (29:18):
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Jason: what to do and one of the things i wanted to (29:21):
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Jason: talk to you about and we were talking about this a bit on text is you (29:24):
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Jason: know regardless of who won the election it's clear to me (29:27):
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Jason: the center of cultural power in (29:30):
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Jason: america has not only shifted to podcasting and (29:33):
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Jason: youtube it's like basically it wasn't just people didn't vote (29:36):
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Jason: for kamala they rejected new york (29:39):
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Jason: and los angeles they rejected hollywood they don't give the shit (29:42):
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Jason: that the avengers you know are for kamala or whatever (29:45):
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Jason: and so if you think about it austin in a way is now the center of culture has (29:48):
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Jason: at least certainly has the potential to be the center of cultural power in america (29:53):
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Jason: i think and i think the stupidest thing that kamala did was not go on rogan (29:58):
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Jason: i think that's really obvious it's just like that is just that's like an election losing move (30:02):
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Duncan: Yeah that that was a that was a tremendous mistake (30:07):
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Duncan: she had people in her team that told her not to do (30:10):
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Duncan: it because they're offended by him and because of that she missed a chance but (30:12):
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Duncan: that being said i think the problem was that she was like many of the things (30:17):
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Duncan: like she's saying like remove the personality just look at the things she's (30:25):
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Duncan: saying are very like basic sort of humanist, (30:29):
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Duncan: values you know equity hope joy joy. (30:33):
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Jason: Compassion but they're hollow words it's like obama's change campaign change (30:37):
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Jason: what does that mean it means something different to everyone that's neuro linguistic (30:41):
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Jason: programming it's a hypnotic word it doesn't mean anything well and this (30:44):
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Duncan: Is the issue this is where i think it gets really when when (30:48):
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Duncan: like words that are precious words that (30:51):
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Duncan: have lots of meaning and are meant to be (30:55):
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Duncan: tools through which to articulate a way (30:58):
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Duncan: for people to subjectively reduce their suffering via (31:01):
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Duncan: you know cultivating compassion (31:04):
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Duncan: for themselves and then naturally spontaneously that emerges (31:08):
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Duncan: in the world but basically like (31:11):
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Duncan: you okay so you (31:14):
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Duncan: know that story you probably tell it better than i can post enlightenment they (31:18):
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Duncan: encountered the buddha some people encountered the buddha i think they became (31:23):
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Duncan: his followers and he was glowing that post enlightenment glow and they were (31:26):
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Duncan: so astounded by whatever this person was they said, (31:33):
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Duncan: Are you a saint? No. Are you a god? (31:38):
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Duncan: No. Well, then what are you? I'm awake. (31:42):
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Duncan: And so this awakening turned into woke. (31:47):
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Duncan: They took- Which is a complete. (31:55):
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Jason: It's a complete, (31:57):
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Jason: talk about satanic, because part of (32:00):
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Jason: the essence of Buddhist enlightenment is understanding that (32:02):
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Jason: you are not your story you're not your body you're not (32:06):
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Jason: your mind and it's like the the to turn (32:09):
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Jason: it around and make it total self-identification yeah it's (32:12):
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Jason: dark it's dark but that said i mean like i will (32:17):
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Jason: actually put a flag up for the other side of that argument too (32:20):
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Jason: which is you know (32:23):
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Jason: one a really interesting period in history for me is all (32:26):
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Jason: the consciousness raising like at esalen at the late (32:29):
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Jason: end of the 60s and in the early 70s and they (32:32):
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Jason: got to this moment you know they're in hot tubs all these (32:35):
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Jason: you know boomer hippies are doing acid and having breakthroughs and (32:38):
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Jason: realizing i you know i'm not my body i'm not me i'm transcendent all that and (32:41):
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Jason: then it broke down when they invited black panthers to come and do the same (32:45):
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Jason: thing with them thinking that they would have a break you know they would they (32:50):
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Jason: would you know be able to talk and have a breakthrough and the reality was that (32:54):
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Jason: at this time, this group of people, like black people didn't want to be disidentified. (33:01):
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Jason: You know, it's like as a professor, I had a professor named Louis Chee. (33:07):
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Jason: That's cool, that's a cool word, (33:10):
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Duncan: Disidentified. (33:11):
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Jason: And he pointed out that it's like, you know, one of the reasons why soul, (33:13):
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Jason: there was a genre of music called soul music, (33:16):
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Jason: is under slavery it was (33:19):
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Jason: considered that black people didn't have souls right like (33:22):
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Jason: that was a literal thing so it's like when you when you tell somebody then who (33:25):
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Jason: has fought you know with real fighting and struggle and violence oh yeah like (33:29):
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Jason: you know you're not you you you like actually your identity that you fought (33:35):
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Jason: for to be able to assert yourself we're gonna erase that now well that that (33:39):
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Jason: looks feels a little different (33:43):
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Duncan: Well and there you go because this is (33:44):
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Duncan: the right there that place right there when it whatever wherever it shows up (33:47):
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Duncan: this is where you go off the path because the moment you have that agenda when (33:53):
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Duncan: you're around anybody to fix them what's implicit in the. (34:02):
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Jason: Agenda right right is (34:07):
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Duncan: An assessment that they're broken so now i'm interacting with a broken person (34:08):
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Duncan: who i'm trying to fix that person does not think they're broken that person thinks they. (34:12):
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Jason: Fixed themselves by the way this is why i'm so abrasive in (34:18):
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Jason: my teaching style it's like oh like you know fuck you it's like (34:21):
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Jason: you did this to yourself what are you gonna do about it you know it's like i (34:24):
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Jason: don't care it's like well it's not even that it's not even you did this to yourself (34:27):
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Jason: it's just like there's nothing wrong with you it's like you're dying on the (34:29):
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Jason: street of fentanyl like okay how's that working out for you and that it's not (34:33):
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Jason: my life it's your life right now who am I to say that that's not what's right for you you're (34:37):
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Duncan: Giving voice to one of the things (34:43):
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Duncan: you are not supposed to say but and that's a good thing you're not supposed (34:46):
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Duncan: to say because now you're getting back on you're harmonizing with what what (34:50):
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Duncan: the dharma in that case now when I see someone on the street dying if I see (34:55):
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Duncan: anyone dying I don't care who the fuck they are if I'm watching the (35:00):
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Duncan: post-Nuremberg Nazis get hung, there is a spark of compassion. (35:05):
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Duncan: You look at the karmic situation, you look at the person, and you feel something, (35:11):
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Duncan: regardless of the destruction they sowed in the world. And, (35:17):
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Duncan: So this is not to say become a sociopath. (35:21):
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Jason: But I'll counter that though, which is if you're, if you want to play the bad (35:23):
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Jason: guy, you have to accept the fate of the bad guy. So I don't feel sorry. (35:27):
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Duncan: Well, this is, I can't come when I'm watching the Nuremberg hangings if I don't do that. (35:31):
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Jason: Are you choking yourself with a belt while you're, (35:35):
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Duncan: But the, the, (35:40):
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Duncan: the, the, what I'm saying is the the if the initial contact with the other is (35:44):
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Duncan: to identify a thing that needs to be fixed, (35:53):
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Duncan: if the agenda this is foul. (35:57):
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Jason: It's like well it's just shitty like you know like school teacher like church (35:59):
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Jason: lady like there you go puritan energy it just sucked nobody likes (36:04):
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Duncan: That and it doesn't nobody. (36:08):
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Jason: Wants if i go to the doctor i don't even in that situation i don't want the (36:09):
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Jason: doctor to feel sorry for me i just want them to do the thing that make that (36:13):
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Jason: i'm asking for so that's it and don't give me the run around you know don't be like so you (36:16):
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Duncan: Know i'm driving up here to do the podcast i'm happy (36:22):
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Duncan: i'm gonna get to hang out with jason because when i hang out with you i feel (36:25):
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Duncan: good me too and and you know i can hang out with you and we cannot talk about (36:29):
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Duncan: anything metaphysical mystical buddhist and i feel good and the reason that (36:35):
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Duncan: is is because you have done work on yourself And you feel, (36:41):
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Duncan: I'm not saying any of us are perfect. (36:45):
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Jason: But you- It's because of my perfect glowing skin. It is your skin. (36:47):
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Duncan: You have a great skincare regimen. But you know, so this is a very frustrating (36:50):
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Duncan: situation to find oneself in, which is, (36:56):
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Duncan: number one, you look out in the world and you have a legitimate, (36:59):
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Duncan: very good, built-in desire to, (37:04):
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Duncan: ease suffering in the world you really want to do that most people do left right (37:10):
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Duncan: now where it gets frustrating is it is so much easier to fix other people or (37:15):
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Duncan: to try to fix other people than to work on yourself just dive into the dark you know. (37:25):
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Jason: The other thing too and you get this if you're hanging out (37:30):
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Jason: in the new age you know meditation community spiritual community (37:33):
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Jason: whatever the really insidious thing that people do also (37:36):
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Jason: is you know people will go to one workshop and (37:39):
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Jason: then decide they're a healer and then what they'll do is (37:42):
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Jason: and they're completely they're completely on their own you know fucked up trip (37:45):
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Jason: that they're on but then people will project their damage onto other people (37:50):
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Jason: be like oh you've got i can heal this for you try to heal it on the other person (37:54):
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Jason: it's really sick it's sick and like people are just like like you know sharing (37:57):
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Jason: pathologies passing them around (38:01):
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Duncan: It's it's in it's in that is the so the end result of that mode of altruism (38:03):
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Duncan: in the world is in general, it has very little impact. (38:11):
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Duncan: But if it does have impact, the impact is not to create a better world, (38:17):
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Duncan: but rather to make people throw their defenses up and bare their teeth. (38:24):
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Duncan: And then that creates more aggression in (38:30):
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Duncan: the world because if you go into the world as an (38:33):
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Duncan: aggressive altruist then what you will receive from the world is aggression (38:36):
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Duncan: back right and so that the motivation good the means of reaching this the the (38:42):
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Duncan: goal so and they say it's progress, progressiveness. (38:51):
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Duncan: This is a good, like a lot of the ideas proposed by the left are good, (38:56):
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Duncan: beautiful, utopian visions of a perfect world. (39:02):
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Duncan: Really delightful, man. I'm saying if we look at them not as top-down, authoritarian, (39:06):
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Duncan: regulated, enforced language, blah, blah, blah, but rather, let's just go through (39:13):
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Duncan: all of the catchphrases on the left. (39:18):
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Duncan: Inclusivity. Wonderful. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. (39:22):
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Duncan: I don't want division. I don't want there to be a fracturing, (39:27):
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Duncan: fractal of micro-cults fighting each other. Inclusivity. Wonderful. (39:33):
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Duncan: Equity. I mean, yeah. I mean, if we look at the very definition of it. (39:41):
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Jason: It depends what you mean by it. (39:46):
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Duncan: I mean yin yang i'm saying that the thing that (39:47):
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Duncan: creates universal balance this perfect balancing (39:50):
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Duncan: of polarities there is equity there good balance equal balance i'm saying balance (39:53):
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Duncan: and how do we get balance you like that the the drive towards balance good inclusive (40:00):
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Duncan: equity what are some other catchphrases man. (40:08):
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Jason: I tried to tune it all out now (40:12):
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Duncan: Don't i i'm telling you man i try to absorb both sides as much as I can, (40:13):
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Duncan: to try to find the connective tissue, (40:18):
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Duncan: and the connective tissue between (40:20):
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Duncan: both sides is 100% a genuine desire for the world to be harmonious. (40:22):
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Jason: We're all humans, like everyone, well, most of us. (40:32):
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Jason: You know, people just differ in their approaches, but it's really, (40:36):
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Jason: you know, you were talking about, you know, the parties as meme plexes. (40:38):
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Jason: Look, I grew up in Southern California in an ultra liberal family. (40:43):
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Jason: I'm an occult anarchist. You know, I was about as left wing as you can possibly get. (40:47):
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Jason: And, you know, I protested the (40:53):
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Duncan: Iraq war in. (40:55):
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Jason: New York and London. Like I was involved in the anti-war movement all throughout my 20s. (40:56):
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Jason: And when i was growing up (41:00):
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Jason: it's just the words are the same but all (41:03):
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Jason: the whole meme plexus have now shifted and this (41:06):
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Jason: apparently is normal the parties kind of reverse every 36 years (41:10):
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Jason: but poll shift you know when i (41:13):
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Jason: yeah and when i was growing up being a democrat meant being (41:16):
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Jason: for working class and poor people (41:20):
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Jason: absolutely being against war being for consumer protections like (41:23):
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Jason: ralph nader's seatbelt initiative being anti-censorship (41:26):
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Jason: if you remember you know all the stuff with frank zappa and in (41:30):
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Jason: the in the 80s and now all (41:33):
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Jason: of that has somehow you know the data that's coming out of this election the (41:36):
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Jason: class thing has completely shifted where now the democrats are the party of (41:41):
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Jason: rich elites and republicans are the opposite which is which is was completely (41:45):
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Jason: different during the bob dole campaign it's completely shifted yeah the racial (41:49):
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Jason: you know my you know so-called minorities which (41:53):
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Jason: are not minorities anymore are now voting for voting red which you know i don't (41:56):
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Jason: know if you noticed all the anti-hispanic racism coming out of left-wing people (42:01):
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Jason: on twitter that was a very (42:05):
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Jason: Strange thing that was insane it's like wait a minute isn't this why you were (42:08):
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Jason: anti-trump because he was saying you know all this all these things about mexico (42:11):
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Jason: latinos because now they're off they're misogynist that That was pretty shocking. (42:22):
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Duncan: Suddenly the catchphrase was Latinos are misogynists. (42:26):
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Duncan: And yeah, that was shocking, but it honestly, not that shocking when you realize the political system, (42:31):
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Duncan: it uses people it doesn't (42:37):
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Duncan: care about the individual the political system identifies a (42:40):
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Duncan: potential ally exploits the ally and the moment the ally is no longer useful (42:44):
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Duncan: to the machine the ally is cast aside it's disgusting it's disgusting but now (42:50):
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Duncan: everyone can see it and that's in real time that's good and this is also the (42:54):
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Duncan: problem is these beliefs you add and have yeah. (42:59):
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Jason: I haven't changed my political positions just like the world is chaos right well (43:04):
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Duncan: No what all that happened is that just (43:07):
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Duncan: because somebody revised the (43:10):
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Duncan: dictionary and changed the meanings of (43:14):
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Duncan: certain words doesn't mean the fundamental rationale (43:17):
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Duncan: behind some approach to (43:22):
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Duncan: living in the world that that would change too and and this seems to be the (43:25):
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Duncan: great magic trick is it somehow Now there seems to be this very strange belief (43:30):
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Duncan: that if we redefine certain words to fit into a political agenda, (43:34):
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Duncan: that the people who adhered to those, (43:43):
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Duncan: the ideas that those words expressed will shift their behavior to match the new definition. (43:48):
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Duncan: And that is such an illogical, insane fallacy. (43:54):
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Duncan: And that is where, if you want to do the analysis, that's where they fucked (43:58):
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Duncan: up. yeah it didn't work no one changed no one realigned no one was. (44:01):
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Jason: Because they're moving it's because they're looking at people as data on spreadsheets (44:05):
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Jason: to be moved around and that's not what people are (44:09):
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Duncan: Pure dehumanization of people based on and also (44:12):
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Duncan: in the really ironic thing (44:15):
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Duncan: is i think the dnc they the creators of the filter bubble got trapped in their (44:19):
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Duncan: own fucking filter bubble and the rules that they were attempting to get everyone to adhere to, (44:28):
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Duncan: no one was adhering to them, but they had to keep following those rules, (44:35):
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Duncan: meaning that discourse within the thing itself, (44:39):
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Duncan: discourse within the thing itself, suddenly they couldn't say out loud certain (44:43):
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Duncan: things, certain critiques of what was happening. (44:50):
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Duncan: And because they couldn't say it out loud, there was no ability to course correct. (44:53):
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Duncan: And because of that lack of ability to course correct, the entire country is (44:56):
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Duncan: read some kind of terrible parable level mythological like thing has just happened, (45:01):
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Duncan: which is like you're you drank your own fucking poison and it killed your ass. (45:11):
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Jason: Yeah. And, you know, it's like you talk to people at, you know, (45:17):
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Jason: liberal NGOs and things like that, where it's like nobody in even liberal think (45:20):
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Jason: tanks can get anything done anymore because their meetings are, (45:24):
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Jason: OK, first we have to do a land acknowledgement. (45:26):
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Jason: Now we have to do, you know, oh, well, if you're white, you can't speak, (45:28):
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Jason: you know, we have to. And. (45:32):
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Jason: It's completely fallen apart and it basically if you (45:34):
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Jason: leave the politics aside it's the same principle as if (45:38):
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Jason: you have a king or the if you have a king it's a (45:40):
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Jason: leadership style where if you have a king or the head of a company that everyone's (45:44):
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Jason: afraid to tell the truth to and he's dictating to everyone this is why dictatorships (45:47):
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Jason: fall because they're not listen everyone's afraid to tell the truth to the leader (45:51):
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Jason: therefore the leader never gets correct information and the thing collapses (45:57):
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Jason: You have to listen to everyone. (46:01):
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Jason: You know, the smartest heads of companies will go and talk to people in the (46:03):
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Jason: mailroom, you know, and that's a cartoonish way of putting it, but it's real. (46:06):
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Jason: You have to talk to everyone because you can get one insight, (46:10):
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Jason: particularly when you're talking to not just your constituents, (46:14):
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Jason: but the people who are directly interacting with the constituents. (46:18):
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Jason: If you're not listening to them then you you have no grasp on reality whatsoever (46:21):
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Jason: and you're you're hiring celebrities to project a false reality and americans (46:26):
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Jason: aren't stupid they're not (46:31):
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Duncan: I've all got the internet now and also i just (46:33):
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Duncan: don't think people are stupid no and i think never happened (46:36):
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Duncan: but and that is another like that's another (46:39):
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Duncan: like error and i you know i i think that the (46:42):
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Duncan: goal of anyone in the world in general (46:46):
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Duncan: should be to find a way to suffer less and that there there's clear you know (46:49):
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Duncan: this you teach it but there's lots of methods to to do this and because we're (46:58):
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Duncan: bundled up inside of people i think is a legitimate beautiful thing, (47:03):
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Duncan: altruism, a kind of spontaneity. Everyone wants to help. People want to help. (47:09):
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Jason: Well, people get traumatized too. Trauma and pain change people. (47:14):
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Duncan: That's right. (47:19):
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Jason: And we've been through a lot of trauma-based mind control as a society. (47:19):
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Duncan: Exactly. And so to me, it's sort of like, let's find a way to look at this terrain. (47:23):
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Duncan: In a sort of transcendent way that (47:30):
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Duncan: isn't filtered by the bias of whatever political party you subscribe to. (47:33):
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Duncan: And so the first, I think you have to boil it down to like, what is the, (47:38):
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Duncan: what, what, what is the fundamental goal? (47:42):
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Duncan: And I know humans are complex and having one fundamental goal is ridiculous, (47:46):
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Duncan: but I would say if we're looking towards harmony, I want harmony more than I want discord. (47:49):
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Duncan: Harmony is beautiful. I don't like listening to, you know, (47:59):
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Duncan: I live in a house with three children and there's harmony (48:02):
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Duncan: never fucking happens in a poodle that barks so it's (48:06):
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Duncan: discord all the time okay but (48:10):
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Duncan: but harmony does spontaneously emerge and when it emerges it's the most beautiful (48:13):
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Duncan: thing to watch which is the children will start playing or this spirit enters (48:18):
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Duncan: the house and it's the most incredible thing when it happens and suddenly you (48:23):
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Duncan: you it's like you're living in infinity. (48:27):
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Duncan: You're living outside of time. It's incredible. You're at Tom Bombadil's house. (48:30):
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Duncan: You know what I mean? It's the most beautiful thing. (48:35):
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Duncan: That, I think most people have had (48:38):
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Duncan: some taste of that and have various associations with why or what that is. (48:41):
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Duncan: But I think finding a way to create the conditions where that can happen more (48:47):
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Duncan: is good. And that should be a goal. (48:53):
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Jason: And I think that, you know, it's like, that's why, for instance, we're in this really, if (48:56):
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Jason: you have these huge private equity firms buying up all the houses so people (49:03):
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Jason: can't be home homeowners. (49:08):
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Jason: And I hate to sound like a Republican from the 80s, but it's like if you have (49:10):
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Jason: people attacking the traditional family and saying you don't want this and trying (49:13):
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Jason: to basically remove all the preconditions for what you just described, (49:17):
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Jason: that's going to lead to, let's say, resentment at the very least because it should. (49:24):
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Jason: It should lead to resentment. the (49:30):
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Jason: issue we can talk about spiritual stuff all (49:33):
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Jason: day long but if people are in a situation where they can't (49:37):
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Jason: own their own home where they can't start a family where they can't (49:40):
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Jason: fulfill the basic needs of life because i don't think life is that hard the (49:43):
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Jason: things that make people happy are basically the things you just described but (49:46):
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Jason: now if you make that impossible for people and say you have to live in like (49:49):
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Jason: pods you know it's like that that is not going to make people happy no matter (49:52):
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Jason: how much social engineering you do okay and society is going to collapse you You (49:58):
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Duncan: Have identified an emergent structure that is creating discord, (50:02):
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Duncan: and it took a long time for that structure to emerge, like some kind of demonic (50:13):
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Duncan: stalactite or something. (50:20):
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Duncan: So there's all kinds of those things within the world. (50:22):
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Duncan: An encounter mentally with that produces a (50:30):
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Duncan: sense of a lot of feelings (50:33):
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Duncan: one could be despair one one (50:36):
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Duncan: could be this is an unsolvable situation other (50:40):
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Duncan: than like violent revolution or something like that there's all (50:44):
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Duncan: kinds of things that emerge when you look at the big big (50:47):
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Duncan: big problems and so to me what (50:50):
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Duncan: in if we're going to really just like simplify it (50:54):
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Duncan: down fear this is going (50:57):
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Duncan: to produce some fear or and fear turns into anger fear (50:59):
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Duncan: and anger turn into a mode of interacting with (51:03):
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Duncan: other people that produces more fear and anger so the (51:06):
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Duncan: yes whatever systemic structural discord you've identified is true correct no (51:10):
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Duncan: doubt so because we've been given a crash course in how not to address these (51:19):
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Duncan: issues if you want to create lasting change it's a. (51:25):
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Jason: Good way to look (51:28):
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Duncan: At it now is the time to rethink everything. (51:28):
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Jason: So let's talk about that i mean we kind of do everyone's been kind of doing (51:32):
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Jason: post-mortem on on the election but you know what's what's undeniable is we're (51:37):
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Jason: in a completely different reality now than we were a few weeks ago. (51:42):
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Jason: What do you think is, how is your process in thinking about that reality and (51:46):
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Jason: readjusting to where we're at? (51:52):
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Duncan: Okay, I'm going to push back on what you just said. (51:54):
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Jason: Okay. (51:55):
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Duncan: We are not in a completely different reality. (51:56):
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Jason: Okay. Timeline, we chose a different timeline than we could have? (52:00):
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Duncan: No? Nope. Okay. All that's happened is a new kind of like, (52:02):
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Duncan: Nothing has changed with reality. And I don't mean to go Buddhist nerd here, (52:13):
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Duncan: but emptiness is emptiness. (52:17):
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Jason: This is the place to do it. (52:19):
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Duncan: Yeah, I know. So the stories have changed. (52:21):
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Duncan: I guess you could say, you know, like you buy an apartment, you are moving into (52:27):
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Duncan: an apartment, you go in to look at it, the walls look like shit. (52:32):
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Duncan: You go back, the walls have been painted, baby. (52:35):
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Duncan: It's the same fucking apartment. they just put new paint on (52:39):
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Duncan: the wall okay so re i guess you could say reality got (52:42):
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Duncan: a paint job and and but but ultimately (52:45):
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Duncan: i don't really think anything has changed (52:49):
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Duncan: other than and also if you look back (52:53):
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Duncan: at the previous reality really if (52:56):
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Duncan: you think about the day-to-day experience day-to-day experience (52:59):
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Duncan: not watching tv but day-to-day (53:03):
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Duncan: whatever the right you're carrying (53:06):
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Duncan: around inside of you the story was in in your (53:09):
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Duncan: head but the you know you the the thing (53:12):
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Duncan: itself like you know if we look at it from space for example like if we're on (53:15):
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Duncan: a ufo looking down at earth we are and we know nothing about earthlings if i'm (53:20):
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Duncan: looking down at it like if you look at an ant's nest i don't do it enough anymore (53:26):
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Duncan: but when i was a kid i was fascinated by ants you look at an ant's nest, (53:30):
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Duncan: somehow you realize that there were within that nest factions of ants that had (53:36):
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Duncan: completely differing political opinions it would be shocking. (53:42):
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Jason: That'd be really interesting (53:46):
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Duncan: Actually if you could talk. (53:48):
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Jason: To one of the i'd watch like a 20 episode show on that just on that (53:49):
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Duncan: Dude i would only listen to the ants it's probably better we can't know what (53:52):
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Duncan: they're what they think you know ants are. (53:56):
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Jason: Like a thousand times stronger than humans like based on their size (53:58):
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Duncan: So you know what i mean like if you talk to an ant and (54:02):
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Duncan: a long line of ants going to gather larva right and that ant was like yeah i'm (54:05):
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Duncan: going to work and you're like yeah because you're part of an ant's nest and (54:12):
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Duncan: you're obviously doing the same thing everyone else is doing there i'd be like (54:16):
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Duncan: what the fuck are you talking about i care about my family or whatever right (54:18):
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Duncan: right right you know what i mean and so, (54:22):
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Duncan: if we're looking at her from space what you're (54:24):
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Duncan: seeing is a clearly a solar (54:27):
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Duncan: a kind of reactivity to the solar (54:31):
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Duncan: cycle we're seeing these pulsations of traffic at predictable (54:34):
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Duncan: times all over the planet and those predictable times (54:37):
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Duncan: the sun goes up the sun goes down so i'm going to look at that now i think well (54:40):
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Duncan: it appears that they worship the sun and the rituals are in the morning and (54:43):
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Duncan: at night right and the ritual is the pulsation of traffic where they go to adore (54:48):
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Duncan: the sun or like you know in the in the day or whatever i'm just saying you look (54:52):
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Duncan: at the thing and i'm not just saying like Traffic, (54:58):
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Duncan: I'm saying architecture. (55:00):
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Duncan: Literally, you look at the thing itself and it's just a hive. (55:02):
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Duncan: And the hive is filled with buildings that are all basically the same, (55:07):
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Duncan: power lines everywhere, and pulsations of traffic influenced by the sun. (55:12):
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Duncan: So reality has not changed. (55:17):
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Jason: So let me redefine the question then. So reality has not changed, which is reassuring. (55:20):
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Jason: Well, let's talk about the frame that you use, which is two different dances. (55:26):
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Duncan: Those dances are going to change. (55:30):
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Jason: So a lot of people are not going to update. We're talking about, (55:32):
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Jason: yes, the illusion, what people are saying online, but also, you know, (55:36):
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Jason: like what people are saying on YouTube and podcasts and the approach to the (55:39):
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Jason: culture that in its on its own plane of illusion, that does matter and does have an effect. (55:42):
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Duncan: It does. And what's going to happen. (55:46):
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Jason: Is a lot of people are not going to update their script. So you're going to (55:48):
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Jason: have all the people who refuse to update their script on the left, (55:51):
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Jason: just, you know, blowing each other on blue sky. (55:54):
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Jason: And then you're gonna have you know (55:56):
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Jason: and and i think that the thing on the right of people you know attacking cancel (55:58):
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Jason: culture and things like that well that that has we've gone (56:01):
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Jason: through that epoch we're in a different the playing field has (56:05):
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Jason: changed politically so this is an open question i (56:08):
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Jason: mean in terms of reorienting the culture has (56:11):
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Jason: changed let's put it in the reality hasn't changed but the culture in america (56:14):
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Jason: has changed and online totally and as people who engage with that it's important (56:17):
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Jason: to think think about that and um it's an open question i'm wondering if you've (56:21):
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Jason: had insights into that or if you've seen things emerging it's probably too early to tell but (56:26):
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Duncan: Sure it's. (56:31):
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Jason: Not too early to to strategize (56:32):
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Duncan: Dj uncle sam has dropped a new beat yes and and and and so the i think that (56:34):
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Duncan: like for sure for one thing it's like let's talk about salt mining for example, (56:43):
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Duncan: you know i was watching some montage just last night of people having breakdowns, (56:51):
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Duncan: and if you separate your (56:56):
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Duncan: logical mind depending on what (57:00):
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Duncan: side you align with from what's happening and you (57:03):
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Duncan: look at what's happening remove the part of yourself it's thinking the obvious (57:07):
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Duncan: things they set up a camera really you're timing your nervous break i remove (57:11):
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Duncan: all of that and look at them what do you see profound suffering and fear some of. (57:14):
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Jason: Them not attention seeking (57:25):
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Duncan: I think and i you know like it's if you want to remove yourself and this again (57:26):
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Duncan: is like you want to talk about like that the the the the defense mode the immune system mode, (57:33):
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Duncan: one thing that's very good at filtering out and keeping you from engaging in (57:41):
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Duncan: is compassion so step one and as a parent the things that my children will have (57:46):
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Duncan: meltdowns over are ridiculous, (57:54):
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Duncan: and if but as but you know what i mean so like if my child for example this (57:58):
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Duncan: morning because i drove him to school, (58:03):
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Duncan: When his mom drives him to school, he gets gum. I don't have gum. (58:06):
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Duncan: We're running late for school. (58:10):
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Duncan: Okay. You know what I mean? And so when he is like very upset about this reality, (58:12):
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Duncan: it's easy to let the adult part of my brain get in there and think it's just gum. Right. (58:18):
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Duncan: Dude, I got to get you to school. Like, are you serious right now? (58:24):
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Duncan: Like, what the fuck? There's so much gum in the world. (58:29):
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Duncan: But this is but if i scrape away the (58:32):
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Duncan: the triggering thing and just look at the what's happening it's real do i invalidate (58:35):
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Duncan: his feelings his emotions so i tell him you're out of your fucking gourd baby (58:42):
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Duncan: there's gum everywhere that's not cool he's fucking you know so so so but also. (58:46):
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Duncan: If i like let him tantrum his way into me going (58:54):
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Duncan: inside and making him late for school to get a piece of gum i'm a shitty parent (58:57):
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Duncan: i gotta teach him sometimes you don't get gum but the (59:00):
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Duncan: what but if my if i let my logical (59:03):
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Duncan: rational non-heart-centered mind invade into parenting then i will invalidate (59:07):
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Duncan: legitimate emotions the child is having is the gentle parenting is the imbalance (59:14):
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Duncan: where all you do is care about the right so anyway my point is if you apply (59:19):
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Duncan: that same dynamic to the salt outlining, (59:24):
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Duncan: that is suffering. (59:27):
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Duncan: That is legitimate, real suffering. And also, even if it starts performative, (59:29):
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Duncan: it will turn into real suffering. (59:34):
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Duncan: And so first step, notice the pain. That's real. (59:36):
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Duncan: And don't just have the guts to scrape away the ridiculousness from your POV of that pain. (59:44):
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Duncan: For a second, turn off the Ben Shapiro part of your brain. (59:51):
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Duncan: Turn off the Charlie Kirkman part of your brain. (59:54):
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Duncan: Turn it off for a second. You can let them back in and just look. (59:57):
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Duncan: I'm not saying pander to them, and I'm not saying give in to it and sort of (01:00:01):
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Duncan: distort their reality by affirming that this nervous breakdown is a pragmatic (01:00:07):
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Duncan: and effective and healthy way to deal with a shift in a political landscape. (01:00:14):
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Duncan: But I'm saying just number one, taste the pain. (01:00:18):
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Duncan: That's real. And then compassion will emerge and that's a beautiful thing because (01:00:22):
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Duncan: the compassion doesn't give a fuck about why it just sees the suffering right. (01:00:27):
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Jason: Well i suppose like from a buddhist perspective too it's like it (01:00:31):
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Jason: would be much smarter to just let people have like (01:00:34):
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Jason: have their thing and don't be like oh facts don't care about your feelings because (01:00:37):
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Jason: now it digs it in further they haven't been able to just as on a physical level (01:00:41):
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Jason: they haven't been able to express the emotion out of their body fully yeah you're (01:00:45):
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Jason: you're telling them it's not okay to do that where it's probably less destructive (01:00:49):
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Jason: in the long run to just kind of let people have their moment (01:00:53):
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Duncan: Let them have the tantrum and they're going to do it anyway it's it doesn't (01:00:55):
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Duncan: matter you're not going to stop it i'm just saying the beginning, (01:00:59):
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Duncan: my view is that and again this is just because my rainbow wheel has been spinning (01:01:02):
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Duncan: regarding the whole thing because it's so unique and so i feel like you know (01:01:07):
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Duncan: filled with potentially great energy. (01:01:13):
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Duncan: The the idea would be okay and i'll shut up with this right i'm sitting with (01:01:17):
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Duncan: my boy for getting ice cream he (01:01:23):
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Duncan: says to me dad they say you can hear god i can't hear god and then he goes, (01:01:25):
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Duncan: can't hear him it's adorable i loved (01:01:34):
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Duncan: it it was such a cool moment and and you (01:01:38):
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Duncan: know there's so many funny responses to (01:01:42):
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Duncan: that but you know i'm thinking in terms of like (01:01:45):
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Duncan: what that made me start thinking what does that mean to hear god (01:01:48):
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Duncan: and so and i was telling (01:01:51):
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Duncan: him well you know sometimes if you get real quiet you can (01:01:53):
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Duncan: hear god like sometimes maybe that's what it means and maybe god doesn't (01:01:56):
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Duncan: like talk like other people do maybe there's something (01:01:59):
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Duncan: if you get real quiet you can hear god and so (01:02:02):
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Duncan: i think if we look at this political tumult (01:02:07):
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Duncan: as two two vying dances (01:02:10):
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Duncan: you got the swing kids versus the macarena kids what (01:02:14):
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Duncan: do they have in common they're both dancing to (01:02:19):
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Duncan: the same song now they might be dancing a dance that is a dance of disgust they (01:02:21):
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Duncan: might be doing a victory dance but it's to the same fucking song and that song (01:02:27):
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Duncan: is a distortion it's a distortion of reality in the sense that the political. (01:02:33):
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Duncan: Reality has convinced us that it's fundamental reality. (01:02:41):
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Duncan: So I would say this first step that the goal would be to liberate oneself from (01:02:45):
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Duncan: DJ Uncle Sam and start trying to tune in to another song that is not dependent (01:02:51):
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Duncan: on the government or history. (01:02:58):
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Duncan: Right. Well, this is what spirituality is. (01:03:03):
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Jason: And this is ultimately what magic is, Because one of my issues with spirituality, (01:03:06):
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Jason: even with Buddhism, is at the end of the day, you're still signing up for another (01:03:10):
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Jason: cult. You're signing up for another group belief. (01:03:15):
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Jason: And it would be, you know, it would be silly to pretend otherwise. (01:03:17):
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Jason: But of course, it would be silly to pretend that these things don't have tremendous (01:03:20):
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Jason: amounts of useful information in them. (01:03:24):
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Jason: But the idea with magic and, you know, the thelemic approach to magic (01:03:26):
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Duncan: Is the song. (01:03:30):
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Jason: That you tune into is, you know, your face before you were born. (01:03:31):
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Jason: It's like you tune into yourself not somebody else's (01:03:34):
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Jason: it's like literally everything in america is some someone's (01:03:43):
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Jason: multi-level marketing scam at this point you know whether it's (01:03:46):
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Jason: the government all the way from the government down you know and (01:03:49):
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Jason: ultimately you're not going to be liberated by (01:03:52):
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Jason: signing up for an ideology you will be (01:03:55):
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Jason: liberated by using techniques you can get from things like (01:03:58):
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Jason: that to discover your (01:04:01):
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Jason: true nature that's right and i think and tuning into and (01:04:04):
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Jason: keeping and not just finding it but keeping in (01:04:07):
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Jason: tune with it it's like i'm getting back to meditation finally after (01:04:10):
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Jason: all this trauma fucking last few years and last several years and you know it's (01:04:13):
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Jason: always there to tune back into but it's really easy to lose the frequency you (01:04:19):
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Jason: have to tune into the frequency of your larger self and for lack of a better (01:04:22):
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Jason: way of putting it and and i don't think it should be you know there's lots of techniques, (01:04:26):
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Jason: but it's not like there's one right way to do that. (01:04:31):
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Jason: There's lots of ways that work for different types of people, (01:04:34):
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Jason: but that should be the goal. (01:04:37):
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Jason: And that will produce a society of more individuated and therefore more people (01:04:39):
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Jason: who are more individuated people who are able to contribute a lot more to society. (01:04:45):
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Jason: But it's just much easier to treat people like herd animals, the people in power. (01:04:50):
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Jason: That's right. And to offer forms of (01:04:56):
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Jason: Basically offer panaceas to people that they think (01:04:59):
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Jason: to what you were saying ease of their suffering but are ultimately (01:05:02):
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Jason: kind of meaningless you're right did you see (01:05:06):
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Jason: by the way on a slight tangent did you see (01:05:09):
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Jason: zina lave on jordan peterson's podcast no oh (01:05:12):
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Jason: my god he had zina lave he had zina (01:05:15):
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Jason: lave on for like three hours it was amazing i (01:05:18):
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Jason: haven't finished watching it zina lave is like a lot of people (01:05:22):
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Jason: in the occult i'm kind of like but zina (01:05:24):
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Jason: lave is somebody that i have tremendous respect for not just for who (01:05:27):
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Jason: she is but what she's gone through and you know she became a tantric buddhist (01:05:30):
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Jason: i saw that yeah she's a she's a serious practitioner and you know is not a satanist (01:05:33):
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Jason: was basically she talked a lot about just how abusive that family was and how (01:05:40):
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Jason: dysfunctional and horrible it was growing up in that environment whether just (01:05:46):
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Jason: letting anybody come in and pedophiles and things like that and (01:05:50):
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Duncan: It was a. (01:05:53):
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Jason: Nightmare but she is no (01:05:53):
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Duncan: One would have expected that. (01:05:55):
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Jason: Right i I know, right? (01:05:57):
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Duncan: That's shocking news. I know, right? (01:05:58):
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Jason: You know, you get this idea of Anton LaVey as essentially just a fundamentally (01:06:00):
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Jason: selfish and self-absorbed person in a not cool way. (01:06:04):
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Duncan: That's how she was conveying it? (01:06:07):
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Jason: More or less about him. (01:06:09):
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Duncan: No fondness at all? A real, like, this is an abusive relationship? (01:06:11):
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Jason: I don't think that she likes her father. Oh, shit. (01:06:14):
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Duncan: I have to watch that. (01:06:17):
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Jason: Yeah, that was, you know, fairly infamous drama in the occult community in the 90s. (01:06:18):
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Jason: But she is an incredibly strong-willed children of preachers yeah right but (01:06:23):
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Jason: she had this kind of and you know she is (01:06:31):
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Jason: soft spoken, but was basically pulling rank on Jordan Peterson and multiple (01:06:34):
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Jason: times and saying, you know, it's like, you know, basically, at one point is (01:06:39):
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Jason: like, what you're describing, Jordan, is what Trungpa would call idiot compassion. (01:06:42):
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Duncan: She said that? (01:06:47):
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Jason: Yeah, she pulled out the idiot compassion thing. Wow. Thank fuck, (01:06:48):
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Jason: because I think and we've talked about this on your show before that little (01:06:52):
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Jason: distinction that Trungpa put out, there's so much useful stuff in Trungpa, (01:06:57):
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Jason: that idea of idiot compassion where idiot compassion is (01:07:00):
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Jason: it's like oh go on and touch the hot stove yeah (01:07:03):
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Jason: do you do you yeah rather than slapping the (01:07:07):
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Jason: kid's hand that's right stove um and and the (01:07:09):
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Jason: issue with the democrats and (01:07:13):
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Jason: the reason that they lost one of (01:07:16):
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Jason: the major reasons is idiot compassion where it's like oh yeah let's just like (01:07:18):
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Jason: you know anything goes we don't need to get into specific issues but people (01:07:23):
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Jason: can think of obvious ones themselves where you're in the name of appearing like (01:07:27):
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Jason: a compassionate good person you're doing utterly destructive things (01:07:34):
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Duncan: And you want to domesticate compassion and you want to neuter compassion you (01:07:37):
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Duncan: want to you want compassion to be something definable plannable you want to (01:07:43):
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Duncan: you know you want to come up this is compassion and this isn't compassion And most importantly, (01:07:50):
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Duncan: you don't want compassion to be what I think it is, which is a spontaneous, (01:07:55):
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Duncan: natural result of present moment awareness that is not planning. (01:08:02):
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Duncan: Compassion comes out naturally. (01:08:08):
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Duncan: Compassion, you want to talk about inclusivity. Compassion is inclusive. (01:08:11):
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Duncan: Sometimes. Well, if you are not compassionate, if you are only compassionate (01:08:18):
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Duncan: to this or that, and not just compassionate, then I would say that you have not, (01:08:22):
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Duncan: really plugged into the damn thing. Now, the idiot compassion is a kind of planning (01:08:31):
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Duncan: compassion, is a calculated compassion. (01:08:36):
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Duncan: It's got an agenda to it, and the agenda is attached to things that aren't compassion. (01:08:40):
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Duncan: The agenda is generally attached to some ideals, some ideology that you subscribe to. (01:08:44):
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Duncan: And even though in the moment, slapping the (01:08:51):
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Duncan: thing out of the hand is clearly the compassionate act before you do that spontaneously (01:08:53):
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Duncan: you pull up your fucking you know neurological augmented reality system that (01:08:58):
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Duncan: tells you oh no no no we can't do that and you don't do it and you don't trust (01:09:04):
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Duncan: yourself right in that moment and that is not. (01:09:08):
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Jason: Compassion no and i mean compassion can be wrathful too and and non-exclusive (01:09:12):
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Jason: or exclusive rather than inclusive an example would be (01:09:17):
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Jason: no like you're you're a heroin addict i don't (01:09:20):
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Jason: want to hear your sob stories you've ripped me off like (01:09:23):
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Jason: four times with fake stories about things that all you're (01:09:26):
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Jason: going through that are so awful and you know what i just you know i love you (01:09:29):
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Jason: but i'm talking to a drug not a person right now and i can't you're not i can't (01:09:33):
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Jason: have you in my life anymore okay rather than rather than humoring it i don't (01:09:37):
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Jason: mean and nobody wants to be in that position because particularly if it's family (01:09:41):
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Jason: But I've talked to many people and often have been in that situation. (01:09:45):
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Jason: And sometimes that's just how it has to go. (01:09:48):
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Duncan: Inclusion does not mean enabling. And that's a really important distinction. (01:09:51):
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Duncan: Inclusion does not mean enabling. (01:09:56):
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Duncan: Inclusion means that I am not cutting you off, man, in the sense of I am like (01:09:59):
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Duncan: you are human and I love you. (01:10:05):
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Duncan: And I am tuned in to your suffering. (01:10:08):
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Duncan: I'm including you in my heart, but I am not going to enable you because I'm including you. (01:10:12):
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Duncan: And when you, like, as it's been explained to me, wrathfulness, (01:10:19):
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Duncan: one of the skillful means. (01:10:24):
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Jason: Yeah. And it takes, it's hard to do right. (01:10:25):
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Duncan: It's, it's a, it's cutting. And, and so when we hear wrathfulness, we think tigers, ah. (01:10:27):
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Duncan: And my teacher was telling me a lot of times wrathfulness is whispered. (01:10:35):
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Duncan: Wrathfulness is very sweet. It can just be saying no. It can be saying no. (01:10:40):
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Duncan: But true wrathfulness, like you would never say my surgeon was very wrathful (01:10:44):
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Duncan: to my tumor. You know what I mean? (01:10:50):
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Jason: But it's the same principle. (01:10:52):
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Duncan: The surgeon is not going to say, you know what? You have the most beautiful (01:10:53):
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Duncan: tumor. You should embrace that sweet, sweet tumor. (01:10:58):
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Duncan: The surgeon doesn't talk to the tumor. The surgeon doesn't say, (01:11:02):
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Duncan: excuse me. Do you know you're killing your host organism? And I was wondering if you could stop. (01:11:04):
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Duncan: The surgeon slices that fucker out. And that is compassion. And compassion is sometimes like that. (01:11:09):
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Duncan: And so compassion is extraordinary. (01:11:16):
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Duncan: And I think that instead of doing top-down, let's get rid of BlackRock. (01:11:23):
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Jason: We should get rid of BlackRock. (01:11:31):
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Duncan: But I think that instead of doing top down, not to say stop trying to do massive (01:11:32):
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Duncan: activism to create systemic change for the better. (01:11:41):
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Duncan: Buddhism, a lot of people accuse it of being too passive. It is not. (01:11:45):
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Jason: No, it can be very engaged. (01:11:48):
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Duncan: But if I'm, and especially after what just happened, (01:11:50):
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Duncan: what I think is that the action right now, the direct action required is not (01:11:54):
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Duncan: to go throw fucking a gin and tonic in Lindsey Graham's face. (01:12:03):
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Jason: But did you hear Tim Dillon's impression of Lindsey Graham? Oh my God. (01:12:11):
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Jason: That was so funny i just want (01:12:14):
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Duncan: All this money. (01:12:17):
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Jason: Oh my god i can't even i don't want to ruin it by trying to repeat it but it (01:12:18):
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Jason: was so oh it was so funny oh (01:12:22):
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Duncan: Poor fucking lindsey graham man i like i (01:12:25):
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Duncan: would love like you know i knew obviously i just would love it if there was (01:12:28):
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Duncan: some way to like make it so that if you are a war hawk and you're going on the (01:12:31):
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Duncan: news to promote war that you have to take the next plane to wherever the fuck (01:12:36):
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Duncan: that war is happening i would love to see lindsey graham and a fucking body armor in the trenches of. (01:12:41):
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Jason: Ukraine well that's why people that that's you know by the (01:12:47):
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Jason: end of the election it was just so blatantly it was so blatantly obvious (01:12:50):
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Jason: how much they were lying you know that's one of the things trump said where (01:12:53):
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Jason: he said you know like maybe basically liz cheney wouldn't (01:12:56):
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Jason: be starting these wars if she had to go there and face guns (01:12:59):
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Jason: pointed in her face and people they represented that as oh he (01:13:02):
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Jason: was firing squad oh he's gonna kill this chance no but that's a point that literally (01:13:05):
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Jason: anybody on the left all to the up to when it became dick cheney's democratic (01:13:09):
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Jason: party would you would hear saying like oh if politicians start wars they should (01:13:15):
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Jason: have to do what you just said right there were attempts how was that controversial they (01:13:19):
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Duncan: Tried to put it you can look back at the history of things that they voted on (01:13:23):
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Duncan: in our government and one of them was if you are a politician supporting war you have to go fight in. (01:13:27):
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Jason: It they voted on that yes you can wait when was that i (01:13:33):
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Duncan: Don't know i was looking at all the things that like this is like a real logical (01:13:35):
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Duncan: sort of like listen yeah if you believe in this shit enough like if you really believe in it, (01:13:40):
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Duncan: Put your money where your fucking mouth is. Get your ass out there to those (01:13:46):
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Duncan: fucking trenches and start really fighting. (01:13:51):
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Duncan: And if you do that and come back (01:13:54):
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Duncan: alive, which Lindsey Graham certainly wouldn't, if you come back alive, (01:13:57):
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Duncan: then your impact will be much more than if you're some doughy motherfucker inviting mass murder. (01:14:03):
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Jason: Well particularly now because i mean like one not to (01:14:12):
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Jason: not to get off on war but but you know (01:14:15):
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Jason: the thing we have two at least two wars going on (01:14:18):
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Jason: right now and it's the first time in history where everything's (01:14:21):
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Jason: on social media as soon as it happens and with ukraine you (01:14:24):
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Jason: can see i've watched tons of youtube interviews with (01:14:27):
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Jason: guys from europe england america who (01:14:30):
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Jason: just were like you know what i'm not gonna let hoot and kill you you (01:14:33):
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Jason: know whatever the logistics of war like i feel personally responsible (01:14:36):
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Jason: i don't want i'm seeing who can kill civilians on tvs (01:14:39):
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Jason: you know what i'm just gonna go fight and there's people from from (01:14:42):
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Jason: all walks of life who just and and uh not just (01:14:45):
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Jason: younger people older people too who are like fuck it like i'm i'm just gonna (01:14:48):
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Jason: go be a part of this and when you put that level of bravery and self-sacrifice (01:14:52):
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Jason: yeah and it's kind of crazy but it's still brave you know it's like when you (01:14:57):
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Jason: put that next to people who are just like oh yeah you know like we need to make (01:15:01):
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Jason: X, Y, Z dollars in geopolitical moves. (01:15:04):
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Duncan: It's a real difference. (01:15:07):
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Jason: It's a real difference. (01:15:07):
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Duncan: And you know, that this, this bullshit that's happening is it's really shocking to me. (01:15:08):
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Duncan: Like, you know, on, on Reddit world news, they posted the thing, (01:15:18):
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Duncan: Biden authorizes long ring missile strikes. (01:15:23):
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Duncan: And again, as someone who emerged in the same leftist culture you did, (01:15:26):
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Duncan: we are always against war. (01:15:31):
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Jason: That's how it used to be. (01:15:35):
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Duncan: You don't want war anymore. And that used to be not even a dramatic thing to (01:15:36):
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Duncan: say. It seemed like a kind of milquetoast thing to say. Just whatever. (01:15:39):
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Duncan: It didn't align you with a political party. (01:15:44):
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Duncan: But you read these people who align with the left. (01:15:48):
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Duncan: This party of equity harmony unity inclusion and they love war. (01:15:53):
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Jason: I love (01:16:01):
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Duncan: They're right away they're like light them up baby yeah let's burn some ruskies (01:16:02):
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Duncan: and it's like you are now exactly the way the conservatives were that was what they were like with war. (01:16:08):
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Jason: Too part of it might just be getting older too and just (01:16:15):
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Jason: feeling more i mean the world feels so (01:16:18):
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Jason: much more fragile now than it did when i was (01:16:21):
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Jason: younger like it feels like it could fall apart in a second and also (01:16:24):
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Jason: the the world is a lot different from when we (01:16:27):
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Jason: were younger and the fact that like america really is losing dominance (01:16:31):
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Jason: to a multi-polar world and it's a much more dangerous (01:16:35):
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Jason: situation than it used to be so i've had to kind of revise (01:16:38):
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Jason: some of my thoughts on this as well because yes i'm (01:16:41):
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Jason: anti-war but i'm also not into like oh yeah just let putin kill all these fucking (01:16:44):
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Jason: people in ukraine you know and and we do live you know like we were talking (01:16:49):
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Jason: here the other day just in the house you know it's street rules it's we're but (01:16:55):
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Jason: we're dealing with thugs listen (01:17:01):
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Duncan: My my feeling in this regard number one this is the ultimate critique of the (01:17:03):
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Duncan: anti-war pacifist mentality if you're out in the bush and a tiger comes to charge him, (01:17:10):
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Duncan: it doesn't care that you're a pacifist. (01:17:17):
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Duncan: In fact, the great gift you could give a tiger would be to be like, (01:17:19):
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Duncan: I am not going to run or fight you. I'm just gonna let you eat my ass. (01:17:21):
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Duncan: I think that we have to find right now, in the moment, a real-time pragmatic (01:17:27):
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Duncan: mechanism to align ourselves with something that isn't political. (01:17:35):
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Duncan: And part of the sand traps that are built into the system right now are considerations of current, (01:17:41):
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Duncan: ongoing, horrific events and the natural desire to make those end either through (01:17:48):
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Duncan: violence, pacifism, whatever the fucking thing is. (01:17:55):
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Duncan: But I think the first step is every single person who gives a shit about climate (01:17:57):
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Duncan: change, for example, who gives a shit about the big talking points, environmentalists. (01:18:06):
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Duncan: Don't leave yourself out of the environment. The first thing that it seems like (01:18:12):
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Duncan: environmentalists have done is their relationship with the environment is transactional (01:18:17):
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Duncan: in the sense that instead of being the environment, they don't want the environment to kill them. (01:18:21):
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Duncan: It's a transactional relationship, which is if we can pacify the environment (01:18:27):
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Duncan: being curbing carbon emissions, it won't kill me. (01:18:31):
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Jason: And if I buy enough carbon offset credits, then I'm a good person. (01:18:34):
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Duncan: There you go. But you are the environment as much as anything else is. (01:18:38):
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Duncan: You are a biome. You are the environment. (01:18:42):
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Duncan: You're made up of the same shit that's in the environment, everything about you is the earth. (01:18:44):
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Duncan: Meaning that right now on top of all the other obvious things that you could do, (01:18:49):
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Duncan: You could curb the carbon emissions of suffering that are happening internally. (01:18:55):
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Duncan: And you can make, how do we get to world peace? (01:19:02):
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Jason: We don't. (01:19:08):
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Duncan: If the individual can't find peace. (01:19:09):
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Jason: Well, here's the thing. We're in the haeon of Horus. We're in the 2000 year (01:19:11):
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Jason: dispensation of endless warfare. (01:19:14):
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Duncan: Fine. (01:19:17):
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Jason: So get ready. It's all in the book of the law. It's going to be like this from here on out. (01:19:18):
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Duncan: When wasn't it? (01:19:24):
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Jason: Oh yeah but now we've got nuclear weapons and (01:19:24):
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Duncan: Here's here to. (01:19:27):
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Jason: Take it out of the realm of of dilemma (01:19:28):
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Jason: for a second it's like here's the thing that i realized about world (01:19:31):
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Jason: peace too we've been at world peace since the end of world war ii on the grand (01:19:34):
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Jason: scheme of things there the the number of people there were like a hundred million (01:19:38):
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Jason: people that died in world war ii the worst war by far that humanity has ever (01:19:43):
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Jason: fought and if you look at as i think his future historians will, (01:19:48):
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Jason: if you look at World War I and World War II as one war with a pause in the middle, (01:19:52):
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Jason: which is a good way to look at it, (01:19:56):
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Jason: it staggers the imagination. (01:19:58):
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Jason: If you go back to the Civil War in America, it staggers the imagination, (01:20:01):
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Jason: the level of suffering and destruction. (01:20:06):
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Jason: And all of that ended. And yes, there's skirmishes. We've got things like Ukraine. (01:20:09):
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Jason: It's a little bit more spicy now than it's been in a while but (01:20:14):
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Jason: the reason it ended was nuclear weapons without nuclear (01:20:17):
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Jason: supremacy and i'm not saying nuclear weapons are (01:20:21):
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Jason: great i'm just saying this is how it is and i actually came (01:20:24):
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Jason: to this kind of warped perception of the 60s where i mean the fundamental idea (01:20:27):
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Jason: here is peace through strength and it's unfortunately uh the way of the world (01:20:32):
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Jason: but i even came to the perspective on this where i started thinking about the (01:20:36):
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Jason: peace movement in the 60s and i came up with the most fucked up take on it. (01:20:40):
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Jason: I think I may have said this on your show at some point, this was many years (01:20:44):
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Jason: ago, where I really think about the hippies in the 60s. (01:20:47):
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Jason: Their parents waded through the charnel houses of Europe. (01:20:51):
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Jason: In knee deep in blood and japan (01:20:56):
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Jason: as my grandfather did right yeah just (01:20:59):
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Jason: doing things that are unimaginable (01:21:02):
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Jason: to us even with you know movies and things like that i mean it's like that generation (01:21:06):
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Jason: came back and they didn't talk about it they just drank and that's how it was (01:21:09):
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Jason: right and they didn't talk about what they had to do or what they saw and you (01:21:14):
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Jason: can imagine liberating dachau or something It just, you can't, (01:21:18):
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Jason: like, we can't, you know, (01:21:21):
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Jason: but then they came back and they created the baby boomers and they created, (01:21:23):
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Jason: it's like, let's, for our kids, we're going to make sure this never happens again. Yes. (01:21:28):
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Jason: We have nuclear supremacy. We have a stalemate. Hopefully we have a cold war, (01:21:32):
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Jason: but let's keep it at stalemate. (01:21:36):
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Jason: And the baby boomers as a result in America, certainly as not in Europe, (01:21:37):
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Jason: but in America, as a result of America winning the war, we're the richest generation (01:21:41):
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Jason: in american history i think the chinese middle class may (01:21:47):
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Jason: now be richer but they were the richest generation by far in (01:21:50):
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Jason: american history both before and after and they did a peace movement in the (01:21:53):
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Jason: 60s to protest the vietnam war but if you do what you said which is you zoom (01:21:59):
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Jason: out and look at it from space and you think about that on the grand scale you (01:22:03):
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Jason: could also look at it this way the children (01:22:08):
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Jason: America dominated the world and became the head of the empire and the children (01:22:11):
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Jason: of the people who did it with all that violence celebrated by dressing up like (01:22:15):
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Jason: the people that America genocided in the first place and doing, doing the Macarena. (01:22:21):
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Jason: So it's like, and also if you listen to military historians, talk about Vietnam, (01:22:27):
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Jason: Vietnam was a mistake to go into, but it was also a mistake to pull out in the (01:22:32):
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Jason: way that we did in the same way that happened in Afghanistan, (01:22:36):
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Jason: understand where we went in wrong and we came out (01:22:39):
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Jason: wrong and all that happened was we destabilized and caused destruction yeah (01:22:41):
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Jason: so i'm not necessarily i i try to look at things as natural functions and i'm (01:22:46):
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Jason: not sure you know we're not i'm not sure that world peace is a realistic thing (01:22:54):
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Duncan: Neither you nor I have the ability to stop war. (01:23:01):
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Duncan: That's for sure. You can't do it. I can't do it. Holding your fucking sign that (01:23:07):
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Duncan: So what I'm talking about is actually an interrogation of the unknown. (01:23:14):
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Duncan: That we don't, here's one thing that's certain. And it's purely, (01:23:21):
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Duncan: and it has to be theoretical. (01:23:27):
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Duncan: Within the vast reservoir of the unknown data set that is imminent in the sense (01:23:29):
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Duncan: that it's always around us, (01:23:35):
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Duncan: everything that is not known, not just subjectively, but at a planetary level, (01:23:38):
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Duncan: I think this data must be as big as the universe. (01:23:44):
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Duncan: It's an infinite reservoir of data. (01:23:49):
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Duncan: Now, somewhere in there is, I don't know what, a story, a technology, (01:23:52):
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Duncan: a movement that would shift the way humans settle arguments from incinerating (01:23:59):
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Duncan: babies to something a little less violent. (01:24:07):
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Duncan: Now, I don't know what that is, but I have. (01:24:09):
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Jason: Faith- Gladiatorial combat in Speedos, like Sting and David Lynch doing- Better. (01:24:12):
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Duncan: Yeah, just knife fighting- Still better. (01:24:17):
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Jason: Yeah. (01:24:19):
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Duncan: Still better whatever the fuck it is fisting competitions better (01:24:20):
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Duncan: better let you know (01:24:24):
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Duncan: like there is something now i don't know what it is it's but it's imminent it's (01:24:27):
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Duncan: stored right now in the unknown and so to me i think you have to look through (01:24:33):
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Duncan: the veil of geopolitics into the well, yeah, (01:24:40):
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Duncan: End of the Unknown, one of my favorite songs in Frozen. (01:24:45):
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Duncan: I think that's Frozen. The point is, the. (01:24:48):
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Jason: Unknown- How many times have you watched Frozen now? (01:24:50):
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Duncan: Jesus Christ! (01:24:53):
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Duncan: Because, you know, you sit. (01:25:01):
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Jason: Down with him- That sounded like the end of the Wicker Man there. (01:25:02):
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Duncan: You sit down with him, you're like, let's watch a movie. And, you know, (01:25:04):
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Duncan: you're you will make this mistake so many (01:25:09):
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Duncan: times because you imagine that they they would (01:25:11):
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Duncan: never want to watch frozen again like how (01:25:14):
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Duncan: could you watch it 20 times you could they wouldn't want to do that and right (01:25:17):
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Duncan: away it's like frozen like for sure frozen but yeah man i think that the veil (01:25:20):
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Duncan: of maya contains within it all history geopolitics all that this veil of maya (01:25:28):
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Duncan: or whatever you want to call it, (01:25:36):
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Duncan: is obscuring all unknown information from being known. (01:25:37):
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Duncan: And so to me, the idea would be, let's first of all, and you taught me this, (01:25:42):
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Duncan: science fiction actually shapes. (01:25:50):
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Jason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah, everything in Star Trek has become real. (01:25:53):
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Jason: Right. Become real. Now people are watching this on something very similar to (01:25:57):
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Jason: the view screen on Star Trek or a communicator. See, I love that. (01:26:00):
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Duncan: Yeah. I love that. I was talking to a friend of mine and he was also pointing out, (01:26:04):
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Duncan: you know, the ridiculousness of a binary in the elections in the sense that (01:26:09):
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Duncan: what's happening when you have that binary is that you're compressing people (01:26:13):
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Duncan: into sort of compartments that give the illusion of freedom. (01:26:17):
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Duncan: But ultimately, how could that be freedom? You know, it's just you humans are (01:26:21):
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Duncan: much bigger than that, blah, blah, blah. (01:26:24):
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Duncan: But so you that thing that you you talk about it really like got it get it i (01:26:26):
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Duncan: i think about it and sometimes and, (01:26:34):
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Duncan: In the sense of, okay, if I peer into the world in that dark crystal ball of (01:26:37):
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Duncan: propaganda, then the options are very limited as to what could be done. (01:26:44):
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Duncan: You mean in terms of what's being presented to people? Okay. (01:26:50):
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Duncan: Because how the fuck do we stop all the wars? And how do we get to a point of global harmony? (01:26:52):
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Duncan: And how do we get to the hippie dream, the utopian vision? How do we do it? (01:26:56):
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Duncan: Well, if I look at the world right now, shut the fuck up. We're not getting (01:27:01):
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Duncan: there. So that means we have to mind the unknown. (01:27:05):
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Duncan: And to begin the mining of the (01:27:07):
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Duncan: unknown, there has to be some sense that there's a vein of gold in there. (01:27:09):
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Jason: Well, there is, you know, and it's like, like, I think that, (01:27:13):
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Jason: yeah, the story that's being presented to people, you know, part of, (01:27:16):
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Jason: you know, if you zoom out again, and you look at both of us as ants, (01:27:19):
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Jason: what is our function in the colony? (01:27:23):
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Jason: One of our functions is to present, you know, left wing, not left wing, (01:27:25):
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Jason: excuse me, left field ideas to kind of challenge things a bit, (01:27:28):
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Jason: provide, you know, bring in information on things like Buddhism that maybe people (01:27:32):
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Jason: aren't hearing, or magic or, and it's like, the solutions have all been given. (01:27:35):
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Jason: You can go read Buckminster Fuller, right? you can look (01:27:40):
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Jason: at like even meditation okay it's like maybe it's not (01:27:42):
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Jason: that complicated maybe it really is like like (01:27:45):
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Jason: people need to meditate and i love when trump was on (01:27:48):
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Jason: lex freeman's show he was like telling him that you (01:27:51):
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Jason: know he should make sure to legalize psychedelics and things like that it (01:27:54):
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Jason: was so funny but you know (01:27:57):
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Jason: the techniques are there the systems are there it's just (01:28:00):
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Jason: that there's not the there's not multi-billion dollar media machines behind (01:28:02):
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Jason: them pushing them on people all the time for obvious reasons that's right so (01:28:06):
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Jason: which is but now with with social media obviously we have we have incredibly (01:28:10):
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Jason: powerful we have a opportunity to not just (01:28:15):
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Jason: Come up with new ideas, but to resurface great ideas from the past that weren't (01:28:22):
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Jason: tried because of, and I don't mean communism, but things like Buckminster Fuller (01:28:26):
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Jason: and things like that, ideas that weren't fully examined or tried. (01:28:31):
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Duncan: The bug Mr. Fuller problem is like, you know, there's ways to look at the system, (01:28:34):
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Duncan: analyze it and come up with new ways of like, you know, moving energy around. (01:28:43):
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Duncan: But the implementation of that, that's where we run into problems because the (01:28:47):
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Duncan: part of the environment that's human beings, you got to get that part of the environment to change. (01:28:51):
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Duncan: And so to me, I think the initial step is to re-empower people who've been disempowered (01:28:57):
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Duncan: by the propaganda into thinking that they have no impact on the world other (01:29:05):
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Duncan: than their carbon emissions, their farts in their cars. (01:29:08):
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Jason: It's a lie because nothing could be further from the truth. (01:29:12):
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Jason: If you have a cell phone, you have more power than anybody on the planet up to like 10 years ago. (01:29:15):
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Duncan: Not to mention if you ever looked up like if you could like split the atoms (01:29:21):
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Duncan: in one human being how big that nuclear explosion would be i think it would (01:29:25):
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Duncan: like blow a crater in north america one person wow okay so you're this you have (01:29:29):
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Duncan: so much energy in you i could be wrong about that i mean i don't know i never (01:29:34):
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Duncan: want to find out probably blow. (01:29:38):
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Jason: Up the whole planet (01:29:40):
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Duncan: Dude if people find a way to do that we're fucked there won't be the fucking (01:29:41):
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Duncan: performative nervous breakdown there's I'm going to send my atoms apart and blow up North America. (01:29:46):
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Duncan: The point is, the first step is not, I'm going to fix you. You need to fix yourself. (01:29:53):
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Duncan: You're wrong. I'm right. The first step is you have the ability to either be (01:30:00):
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Duncan: the one that extracts the data set that we're looking for here from the unknown. (01:30:08):
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Duncan: Articulate it in an actionable way that isn't polarizing, (01:30:14):
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Duncan: but unifying, or the very act of believing in that data set could theoretically (01:30:19):
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Duncan: create a higher probability that someone else stumbles upon it. (01:30:27):
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Duncan: Just the resonance field created by your belief. And then- I mean. (01:30:33):
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Jason: I've done that multiple times in my life. So yeah, absolutely. so (01:30:38):
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Duncan: That's it you can forgive me jason i'm gonna do a burning man thing here when (01:30:43):
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Duncan: i came in for burning man early because somebody told me that's the real burning (01:30:50):
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Duncan: man as they call it the build. (01:30:54):
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Jason: I went to burning man early once but they wouldn't let me in so i had to lay (01:30:55):
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Jason: in the parking lot with a walmart blanket over me for like two days sucks it really sucked (01:30:59):
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Jason: well because i hitched a ride i didn't have anything that like a car to be in (01:31:05):
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Jason: and i was like laying in the dust with a blanket over me for two days. (01:31:08):
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Duncan: The occasional loft of DMT coming over the parking lot. So like, (01:31:12):
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Duncan: I think if like one, one way to recon, like the way you said reality has changed, the story changed. (01:31:18):
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Duncan: So that means what if we all adopt a new story just for fun? (01:31:25):
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Duncan: And I don't know what that story is. And you can invent your own story if you (01:31:29):
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Duncan: want, but let's say we're in for the build here. It's the age of horse. (01:31:31):
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Duncan: We've come in for the build. (01:31:35):
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Duncan: You are actively participating in the setting the stage, (01:31:36):
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Duncan: midwifery, whatever you want to call it for the next buddha messiah idea time (01:31:41):
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Duncan: machine whatever yeah that's what you're doing here now there's obscurations (01:31:47):
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Duncan: there's like there's all kinds of ancient antiquated dying, (01:31:52):
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Duncan: pathetically dying terrified power structures right now that would love to get (01:31:58):
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Duncan: into your head and make you feel like you're a useless piece of shit right you (01:32:02):
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Duncan: can't do anything but ignore them because they're you don't have to do anything (01:32:05):
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Duncan: about that they're clearly on the way out and And they're not going. (01:32:09):
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Jason: To be happy. It seems so. That's a very positive thing. (01:32:12):
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Duncan: They're doing like, you know, like. (01:32:15):
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Jason: Nobody wants to watch MSNBC anymore. You know, it's like. (01:32:17):
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Duncan: Oh, their numbers have dropped precipitously. (01:32:19):
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Jason: It's over. Nobody trusts them. And they shouldn't. And that's not a partisan (01:32:22):
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Jason: thing. It's just, it's not, it's an old form of media. (01:32:25):
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Jason: All the sports funding got pulled from it, you know, so. (01:32:29):
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Duncan: So that's on the way out. And, you know, great. But I think the task at hand (01:32:32):
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Duncan: right now is if you believe that you don't know everything, but yet you believe (01:32:38):
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Duncan: there's a possibility within, (01:32:42):
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Duncan: encoded within the data matrix of the universe to draw out something. (01:32:44):
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Duncan: I don't know what it is. It could be technology. It could be a psychedelic. (01:32:50):
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Duncan: It could be an idea. I don't know. To draw that out, articulate it. (01:32:53):
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Duncan: And that that idea could do the very same thing all the other great ideas did. (01:32:58):
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Duncan: And we are living like, though it is a tumultuous geopolitical time, (01:33:02):
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Duncan: you walk in your house and flip the fucking light switch on and light turns on. (01:33:06):
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Duncan: So you could be part of that. (01:33:09):
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Duncan: And you should actively be participating in an interrogation of the unknown, (01:33:12):
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Duncan: even if that interrogation is just believing it's out there somewhere. (01:33:17):
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Duncan: And then, of course, meditation comes in. But to me, that's the move. (01:33:22):
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Duncan: Start listening. because you know what this you want to know what the cloaked (01:33:26):
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Duncan: spaceship is hovering over the planet right now it's everything we don't know (01:33:30):
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Duncan: yeah and it's emissaries are the new ideas that land in the human mind and then (01:33:34):
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Duncan: crystallize into time space become part of that yeah. (01:33:39):
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Jason: Well become become part join the dance you know (01:33:43):
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Jason: to use that metaphor and this is often this is (01:33:46):
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Jason: what magic can can do for people this is only one technique (01:33:49):
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Jason: but you know how is it that we live (01:33:52):
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Jason: in a time with more material wealth and power particularly (01:33:56):
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Jason: communication power than ever before and (01:34:00):
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Jason: yet people feel powerless miserable discarded helpless (01:34:03):
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Jason: i know which is a lie if none (01:34:08):
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Jason: of that is true but of course it's easy if you're getting that message to get (01:34:10):
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Jason: into that feedback loop and that next thing you know you're scrolling memes (01:34:16):
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Jason: about wanting to die on instagram which just seems to be the number one art (01:34:19):
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Jason: form of younger people that's sad other than skibbity toilet which i fucking love but we combine them (01:34:22):
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Jason: I'm not sure we want the answer to that but just to say you (01:34:29):
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Jason: know actually it doesn't need to be ideological and it (01:34:32):
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Jason: shouldn't be just to say like you know what i have a say i can participate (01:34:35):
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Jason: you can you have all the tools available to you you (01:34:38):
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Jason: know and just to remind people of that (01:34:42):
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Jason: because we want a participatory society we want a (01:34:45):
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Jason: society of people at their best we want a heroic (01:34:48):
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Jason: society yeah we don't want a self-loathing self-hating (01:34:51):
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Jason: society and i think that the (01:34:55):
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Jason: culture seems to be going more in that direction now you know i even saw people (01:34:58):
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Jason: on twitter saying that you know that the moment the zeitgeist began to change (01:35:03):
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Jason: is when top gun maverick came out what the fuck you know because it's it's giving (01:35:06):
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Jason: again a heroic self a sense that people you know you maybe you can when that (01:35:11):
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Jason: you don't have to hate yourself because of who you are. (01:35:15):
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Jason: And that's a very, as I think we both know, growing up in the 90s, (01:35:20):
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Jason: so much of the messaging then was so bad too. (01:35:24):
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Jason: It's just this self-loathing, suicidal Kurt Cobain, just self-hatred. (01:35:27):
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Duncan: Yeah. (01:35:33):
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Duncan: Just to say, you don't need to do that. (01:35:36):
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Jason: You can be the hero. (01:35:38):
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Duncan: You are. (01:35:40):
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Jason: You already are, right? You're just participating in a lie that does not benefit you. (01:35:41):
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Duncan: And this is it, man. And then right from that moment on, it's like, (01:35:46):
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Duncan: dude, anyone, regardless of how idiotic and potentially fascist or tyrannical (01:35:49):
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Duncan: their efforts were initially to try to make a better world. (01:35:57):
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Duncan: We need a forgiveness day. those were people who had their heroic impulse hijacked (01:36:02):
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Duncan: by a political system and and now the political system has left a lot of them (01:36:07):
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Duncan: just on fucking tick tock having temper tantrums there's no support so it's like we. (01:36:12):
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Jason: Can do forgiveness after the show trials for certain individuals but uh sure (01:36:18):
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Duncan: You can do them during the show trials but the (01:36:22):
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Duncan: the i'm i'm talking about like dude and if (01:36:25):
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Duncan: you're like in and also forgiveness for the people (01:36:28):
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Duncan: who won who are gloating it's like (01:36:31):
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Duncan: the move here is to dis not disengage from activism not disengage from participation (01:36:35):
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Duncan: but to disengage from the propaganda that leads to disempowerment division and (01:36:40):
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Duncan: breaking people up into teams that are implicitly aggressive and, and, (01:36:47):
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Duncan: and to find a way to jump into the real party, (01:36:52):
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Duncan: which is all of us who are out there, even in our lazy, weak ways, (01:36:58):
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Duncan: trying to have a conversation with the abyss, with the unknown, (01:37:03):
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Duncan: and see if we can start grabbing those beautiful signals that it emits from (01:37:09):
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Duncan: time to time that turn into great works. (01:37:14):
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Duncan: Or they turn it to top-down maverick yeah. (01:37:16):
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Jason: Well that was i mean that that's what (01:37:18):
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Jason: creativity is it's what having a kid is it's (01:37:21):
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Jason: what magic is it's a rabbit out of a hat you pull something out (01:37:24):
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Jason: of nothing right by i love your phrase interrogating the (01:37:27):
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Jason: the unknown yeah and that is (01:37:31):
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Jason: a call to heroism that is a call to adventure (01:37:35):
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Jason: we we have the potential and the ability to make this it's already amazing but (01:37:38):
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Jason: we have the potential and the ability to make this not just this country but (01:37:44):
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Jason: this planet unbelievable we have elon musk taking us to mars yeah why that's (01:37:49):
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Jason: a bad thing is beyond me why does (01:37:54):
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Duncan: That upset people that's very frustrating for people. (01:37:56):
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Jason: I mean it's my point on that is like quit fucking poking holes in the lifeboats (01:37:58):
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Jason: guys like this is ridiculous but that's we can we can make this world anything we want it to be (01:38:03):
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Duncan: Because the ultimate resource is human beings. (01:38:13):
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Jason: The ultimate resource is human ingenuity, creativity, and will. (01:38:16):
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Jason: And resources are meaningless compared to human willpower. They really are. (01:38:20):
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Jason: And this isn't woo. It's like, just look at history. (01:38:25):
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Jason: And it's in a negative sense, too. It's like Russia was overthrown in a communist (01:38:28):
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Jason: revolution by, what, six people at the beginning? Hitler was an artist from (01:38:35):
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Jason: nowhere, who the entire world history was changed for the worse. (01:38:39):
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Jason: But at the same time, then you have people like Buckminster Fuller, (01:38:43):
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Jason: who was an engineer who'd been laid off, who was going to kill himself, who decided, (01:38:47):
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Jason: what if instead of killing myself, I dedicate the rest of my life to seeing (01:38:52):
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Jason: what one person can do with no resources to benefit everyone? (01:38:56):
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Jason: And he came up with some incredible things. (01:39:01):
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Jason: And the whole history of the world is not, I'm sorry, it's not about economic (01:39:04):
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Jason: forces. It's not about historical materialism. (01:39:10):
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Jason: It's not about depersonalized flows of money and groups of people. (01:39:12):
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Jason: It is about that stuff too, but it very often comes down to individual choices (01:39:19):
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Jason: made by individual people and not necessarily people in power (01:39:24):
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Duncan: That Rosa. (01:39:28):
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Jason: Parks right okay there you go so just (01:39:29):
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Duncan: Step one and what I love that you're talking about baby in the basket just a (01:39:31):
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Duncan: baby in a basket remember there will be blood wait I. (01:39:37):
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Jason: Don't remember that (01:39:42):
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Duncan: Part at the end all. (01:39:42):
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Jason: I remember is I'll drink your milkshake (01:39:44):
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Duncan: His kid comes to see him and he like you know is in his degraded state late (01:39:46):
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Duncan: stage capitalism lost everything has everything simultaneously. (01:39:51):
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Duncan: His boy comes to see him and he throws his boy out of his house. (01:39:54):
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Duncan: He yells at him, you're just a baby in a basket! Baby in a basket! But like, (01:39:58):
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Duncan: Or Jesus in the manger. Buddha leaves the palace, goes into the forest. (01:40:04):
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Duncan: These are all, all of them are hints. The hint is it comes from the unexpected. (01:40:08):
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Duncan: Nobody expects the king to be in the manger. No one expects the basket baby. (01:40:13):
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Duncan: Nobody expects the prince to leave the palace. (01:40:17):
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Duncan: So this creates an action. (01:40:21):
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Duncan: And the action is like, number one, if you're in a fucking manger, (01:40:24):
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Duncan: don't think, oh, I'm a useless piece of shit. (01:40:29):
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Duncan: My crappy apartment can't do anything and blah, blah, blah. like dude (01:40:30):
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Duncan: every great thing came from the unknown you're actually (01:40:33):
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Duncan: part of the unexpected at that point and then too (01:40:36):
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Duncan: if you're in the algorithmic self-reflective hedonic (01:40:39):
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Duncan: fucking digital palace where all (01:40:43):
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Duncan: of your whims and desires are amplified and (01:40:46):
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Duncan: reflected back to you where your biases are (01:40:49):
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Duncan: not challenged but confirmed via algorithmic input because it's tuning you and (01:40:53):
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Duncan: other people who agree with you leave that palace go into the forest with the (01:40:58):
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Duncan: miscreants listen to the weirdos who are telling you how to do yoga stretch (01:41:03):
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Duncan: whatever the fuck it is go to. (01:41:07):
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Jason: The wrong side of the tracks (01:41:09):
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Duncan: Go to the wrong side of the tracks baby just like jesus did and (01:41:10):
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Duncan: you know and i think you know if we are going (01:41:13):
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Duncan: to extract the e equals mc squared (01:41:16):
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Duncan: of the christian faith it is seek (01:41:19):
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Duncan: ye first the kingdom of heaven and all things will follow so (01:41:22):
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Duncan: the to me the kingdom of heaven is the imminent (01:41:25):
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Duncan: unknown he's asking you to draw in (01:41:28):
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Duncan: that which is not known into the known that's the kingdom of heaven what is (01:41:32):
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Duncan: heaven perfect perfect it's not golden streets it's that moment you're walking (01:41:36):
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Duncan: down a sidewalk and suddenly your neurosis the dark storm clouds of your neurotic (01:41:42):
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Duncan: mind just for whatever reason clear, and you're fine, (01:41:47):
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Duncan: not in danger, everything's okay. (01:41:51):
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Duncan: And look at how you behave in that mind state versus the neurotic state. (01:41:53):
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Jason: No, absolutely. (01:41:59):
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Jason: It's like, as anyone who's with experience of meditation finds out, (01:42:02):
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Jason: hopefully, you can be the richest person on planet Earth and live in hell in (01:42:06):
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Jason: your mind. And you can have nothing and be in heaven in your mind. (01:42:11):
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Jason: And in a sense, your mind state not only determines your actions, (01:42:20):
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Jason: it determines what reality you're living in. (01:42:24):
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Jason: And this is, I think, the thing about the Buddhist six realms and things like (01:42:26):
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Jason: that. But what yuga you're in can change based on what your mentality is for real. (01:42:29):
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Jason: And with one shift in your mind, you can go to resourcelessness to resourcefulness. (01:42:37):
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Jason: And I have a weird job. (01:42:42):
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Duncan: You do. (01:42:45):
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Jason: Of course, people are like, magic is silly. So magic is the most powerful force on the planet. (01:42:46):
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Jason: And let me qualify that. I came up with my ultimate definition of my all-time (01:42:52):
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Jason: ultimate definition of magic. (01:42:57):
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Jason: Which is, do you remember imaginary numbers? (01:42:59):
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Duncan: Sure, of course. Okay. (01:43:02):
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Jason: So for those who don't, the idea of an imaginary number is the square root of (01:43:04):
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Jason: negative one, which you can't do. It's not possible to do. (01:43:11):
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Jason: But it turns out that the square root of negative one is necessary to solve a lot of equations. (01:43:15):
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Jason: So they represent it, which is the lowercase i. (01:43:21):
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Jason: So think about this. An imaginary thing that is necessary for reality. (01:43:24):
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Jason: Yeah well that okay magic is the imaginary number in life's equation cool and (01:43:29):
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Jason: that doesn't mean robes and fucking wands and pentagrams and things like that (01:43:35):
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Jason: it's like it could that's fun but (01:43:38):
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Jason: everything that is everything that exists these (01:43:42):
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Jason: you know us we only exist because (01:43:45):
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Jason: somebody had the idea to first (01:43:48):
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Jason: in their imagination maybe i want a (01:43:53):
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Jason: kid or maybe like this this i imagine this or (01:43:56):
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Jason: computers yeah every flight you (01:43:59):
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Jason: know everything existed in the imagination and of course (01:44:02):
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Jason: was laughed at until the person made it real magic is magic is the act of pulling (01:44:05):
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Jason: a rabbit out of a hat it's taking something imaginary and making it real and (01:44:09):
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Jason: it's not just that that's a nice trick that's literally how the only reason (01:44:14):
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Jason: anything exists outside of the pure biological whatever necessities of human life. (01:44:18):
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Jason: You read interviews with Arnold Schwarzenegger and one of the reasons he, (01:44:27):
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Jason: other than steroids, that he got so jacked was he would visualize the reps that (01:44:32):
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Jason: he couldn't do and then he could do them. (01:44:37):
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Duncan: Or I mean, how many. (01:44:39):
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Jason: Stories have we heard of musicians who were or rock stars who were painfully (01:44:40):
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Jason: shy until they came up with an imaginary identity for themselves like Alice (01:44:45):
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Jason: Cooper or Marilyn Manson or... (01:44:49):
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Duncan: Whatever it is, and then they acted as that imaginary person. (01:44:52):
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Jason: And then they became that person, sometimes to their detriment. (01:44:56):
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Jason: Heath Ledger, right, to his detriment. (01:44:59):
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Jason: But that's the magical process. It's that simple. (01:45:00):
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Jason: It's taking something imaginary and making it real, and that is more powerful. (01:45:03):
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Jason: There's nothing more powerful on Earth than human creativity and ingenuity, (01:45:08):
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Jason: because everything else comes from it. (01:45:12):
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Duncan: That's it. that's the most powerful force on. (01:45:14):
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Jason: Earth and you know it requires discipline it requires sticking to a plan and (01:45:17):
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Jason: it requires a lot of faith which is a pretty dirty word has become (01:45:23):
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Duncan: A dirty another co-opted word right but. (01:45:25):
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Jason: You know this is one of the reasons that i do what it is that i do which is (01:45:29):
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Jason: that unlocking people is our biggest natural resource (01:45:34):
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Duncan: Faith is the dynamite you use to interrogate the unknown yeah faith. (01:45:38):
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Jason: Is even more faith is (01:45:43):
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Duncan: Even stronger than. (01:45:45):
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Jason: Magic it's it's (01:45:45):
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Duncan: On the same spectrum and continuum i mean yeah it's the same thing (01:45:46):
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Duncan: i mean this is i'm telling you man this this (01:45:49):
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Duncan: to me while you are doing whatever it is to make the world better however high-minded (01:45:54):
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Duncan: that may be if you start working with some imaginary numbers or if you're not (01:46:02):
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Duncan: doing anything and you're well you're. (01:46:08):
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Jason: Just imagining how horrible everything and how powerless you are and i'm imagining (01:46:10):
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Jason: everyone hates me and i'm talking i'm talking about myself too because i can (01:46:14):
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Jason: get into this everyone hates me nobody likes me the whole world's against me (01:46:17):
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Jason: everything's falling apart i'm gonna die this (01:46:20):
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Duncan: Sucks i call that looking at the blindfold and that's (01:46:21):
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Duncan: a good one you know so if you're staring into the blindfold that's what (01:46:25):
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Duncan: you're gonna see shit like that first step is to realize (01:46:27):
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Duncan: there's something outside the blindfold and the problem (01:46:30):
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Duncan: is in this case the blindfold is not something you just pull off your (01:46:33):
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Duncan: head it's literally encoded neurologically maybe epigenetically (01:46:36):
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Duncan: into your entire system by corn syrup what by corn it's corn syrup you got you (01:46:39):
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Duncan: you know what you beat me to the punch that's where i was headed corn syrup (01:46:44):
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Duncan: jesus said ziki first the kingdom of heaven and to find the kingdom of heaven (01:46:49):
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Duncan: stop drinking that corn syrup what. (01:46:55):
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Jason: About low is there There's such a thing as low fructose (01:46:59):
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Duncan: Corn syrup. Dude, I have no fucking idea anything about corn syrup, (01:47:00):
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Duncan: but I will tell you something I relish right now since I was a young blossoming hippie. (01:47:06):
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Duncan: I would always say, dude, why the fuck are they putting fluoride in the water? (01:47:15):
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Duncan: And I was mocked. I was made fun of. They're like, what's wrong with you? (01:47:19):
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Duncan: Why don't you start wearing a tinfoil hat? (01:47:24):
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Duncan: And even though I would say things like, okay, you come to my house. (01:47:25):
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Duncan: And I'm like, want a glass of water? Yeah. (01:47:29):
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Duncan: Shall I put some fluoride in it? You're going to say, hell no. (01:47:31):
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Duncan: But you know what I mean? The federal government is like, just fucking put a (01:47:35):
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Duncan: waste into the water because we don't want them to have cavities, (01:47:39):
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Duncan: even though there's fluoride in the toothpaste. (01:47:42):
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Duncan: Oh i'm relishing that i'm relishing the studies coming out now where they're (01:47:44):
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Duncan: showing oh actually it makes kids less intelligent and it's not. (01:47:48):
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Jason: Yeah i from what i understand i may get the details on this right but i think (01:47:52):
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Jason: one of the reasons why fluoride was put into the water supply is it's like some (01:47:55):
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Jason: type of industrial byproduct it's a waste it's industrial waste of nuclear shit (01:48:00):
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Jason: so and they couldn't get rid of it so they just dumped it into the water for (01:48:04):
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Jason: people to drink Amazing. (01:48:08):
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Jason: You want to hear a bit like a goofy, goofy story though, by the way? (01:48:10):
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Jason: I actually went fishing with RFK Jr. when I was a kid. (01:48:13):
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Jason: No way. When I was like 10, it's like the most random story because my dad is (01:48:16):
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Jason: a journalist and my dad was working on a book about fishing and he's super into fishing. (01:48:20):
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Jason: So we ended up going fishing with him on the bay of, in San Diego. (01:48:25):
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Jason: And he was definitely, he was definitely an interesting guy. (01:48:29):
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Jason: My major memory and, but it was hilarious. He was like super, he was super. (01:48:33):
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Jason: Risk-taking yeah that was my take on him (01:48:38):
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Jason: like he's very into doing dangerous things but my (01:48:41):
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Jason: major memory of hanging out with him was just looking at my shoes the (01:48:44):
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Jason: entire time because you can imagine i was like 10 (01:48:47):
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Jason: years old it's like oh we're gonna meet a kennedy and so i'm like (01:48:50):
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Jason: so what and it's just like this is like unfathomable to me (01:48:53):
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Jason: so i i wore on this fishing boat out on the ocean like dress shoes that i got (01:48:55):
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Jason: for like eighth grade graduation or something like that so i'm sitting there (01:49:01):
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Jason: just wearing leather dress shoes feeling like a total idiot the entire time (01:49:05):
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Jason: staring at my shoes and hoping he wouldn't notice he probably still remembers this that's dude (01:49:09):
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Duncan: I'm telling you everyone's on his ass about that bear troll. (01:49:15):
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Jason: That's the funniest (01:49:18):
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Duncan: Trick ever take a fucking dead bear carcass and throw it in central parks and (01:49:19):
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Duncan: people think there's bears in new york. (01:49:23):
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Jason: That's did you did you hear the hear the whale thing where (01:49:25):
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Jason: he was like there was another story coming out where like i guess he is (01:49:28):
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Jason: this this actually warmed my heart because this sounds similar (01:49:31):
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Jason: to stories from my family were but just more extreme where like (01:49:34):
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Jason: he's i think he went whale he like he was with his daughter and they found a (01:49:37):
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Jason: dead whale on the beach so he decided to strap it to the roof of the car and (01:49:41):
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Jason: drive home so he could take take get the skull or something so he's driving (01:49:46):
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Jason: there with his daughter teenage daughter with the windows down and just like (01:49:51):
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Jason: whale juice is like flying into the car while (01:49:54):
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Duncan: They're going down the freeway that's a real dad that's a. (01:49:56):
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Jason: Dad that's a dad move that's a move that gets (01:50:00):
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Duncan: You in the doghouse you pull up to the house. (01:50:02):
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Jason: Oh my god for like a year i'm sure i would (01:50:04):
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Duncan: Be doomed but i would do it. (01:50:08):
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Jason: Yeah you know what i i whatever like (01:50:10):
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Jason: obviously he's he's he's a complex guy but like man if he can get rid of corn (01:50:13):
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Jason: syrup and fluoride good good now i'm not a fan of his vaccines cause autism (01:50:18):
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Jason: bullshit but i think that if we have somebody like we do need to look at the (01:50:24):
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Jason: public health system in america i (01:50:29):
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Duncan: Heard him say this he was like when i was trying to get mercury out of fish (01:50:31):
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Duncan: nobody said i was anti-fish and well that's. (01:50:35):
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Jason: A good point and it's (01:50:39):
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Duncan: Like i think his point, (01:50:40):
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Duncan: I mean, he did a lot of damage to the autistic community. I think his front (01:50:44):
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Duncan: facing point right now is that we need more transparency when it comes not just (01:50:47):
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Duncan: to vaccines, but to all medications. (01:50:53):
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Jason: Well, I agree with that. Absolutely. (01:50:55):
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Duncan: I think that he's so convinced based on the data sets he's been looking at that (01:50:57):
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Duncan: there's data that once the public catches wind of it's going to revise the way (01:51:03):
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Duncan: that we make vaccines and it's going to revise the way that we give vaccines, (01:51:09):
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Duncan: the scheduling of vaccines. (01:51:14):
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Jason: And ultimately, I'm all for transparency, obviously. (01:51:16):
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Duncan: Bottom line, it seems like that's what he's going to. (01:51:18):
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Jason: Absolutely. And if that we should know, it's like, you know, (01:51:20):
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Jason: if you're mandated to take them, you should fucking know. (01:51:23):
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Jason: That's right and particularly after the covet era it's just like because (01:51:27):
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Duncan: I want to know i want to know everything about. (01:51:31):
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Jason: Them yeah and i want to if you're giving vaccines to your kids don't you want (01:51:33):
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Jason: to know what's in them no no obviously vaccines do not cause autism and but (01:51:36):
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Jason: you know the thing is that's just one issue it's like you know how people are (01:51:41):
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Jason: they'll find one thing that somebody got wrong and now just dismiss everything (01:51:45):
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Jason: they're saying that's not (01:51:49):
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Duncan: Good how can like the main thing is we really can only expect distorted conclusions (01:51:50):
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Duncan: if we don't have all the data and if there's a. (01:51:58):
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Jason: Culture where we've (01:52:00):
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Duncan: Already figured everything out about vaccines when we haven't right and so once (01:52:02):
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Duncan: we like and this need this needs to be applied to everything, (01:52:05):
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Duncan: everything it should just be like look let's fucking look into it i mean the (01:52:10):
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Duncan: the i've always loved about science is when you're wrong as a scientist you (01:52:15):
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Duncan: still move things forward because you just save some other asshole a bunch of (01:52:20):
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Duncan: time trying to test your hypothesis right. (01:52:24):
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Jason: That's what people need to realize too it's like and i think people do (01:52:27):
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Jason: realize this that that science quote unquote is (01:52:29):
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Jason: not science often in this (01:52:32):
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Jason: particularly when it involves things like pharma and food it's (01:52:35):
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Jason: paid for by corporations to get the result (01:52:38):
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Jason: they want that is fundamentally anti-science right (01:52:41):
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Jason: when you have monsanto paying for 3 000 studies to (01:52:45):
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Jason: show that monsanto food's just great that's not (01:52:48):
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Jason: science that's propaganda and you know i feel about science the same the same (01:52:51):
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Jason: way that gone you felt about western civilization it would be a very good idea (01:52:56):
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Jason: but the scientific process has been co-opted worldwide i think also by the defense (01:52:59):
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Jason: industry and the reason when it comes to vaccines I assume it's like, (01:53:04):
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Jason: I don't know, but I assume it's like food where the only reason, you know, (01:53:10):
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Jason: the, you can't, there's a lot of stuff about our food that you can't know, (01:53:15):
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Jason: like for a while, at least I think this has changed, but you couldn't label (01:53:18):
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Jason: food, whether it was GMO or not. And the only reason is lobbyists. (01:53:22):
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Jason: The only reason because they don't, you know, the lobbyists said you can't put non GMO. (01:53:26):
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Jason: You can't even label foods as non GMO because this suggests that the GMO food (01:53:31):
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Jason: is bad and that will cut into sales. And it's just like, that is... (01:53:35):
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Jason: That's not how things should work. That's state capture. A lot of (01:53:40):
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Duncan: Medicines probably need to be revisited based on our current understandings (01:53:45):
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Duncan: of the wild variety in the human genome. (01:53:50):
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Duncan: And that different people respond to things differently. That a universal approach (01:53:54):
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Duncan: to medicine, particularly vaccines, does not address the fact that people have (01:53:59):
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Duncan: different computers that run in the OS on. (01:54:05):
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Duncan: And until we really start looking into reactions that people have to vaccines, (01:54:08):
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Duncan: not as some anomalous thing, but like, is there something connected to their DNA? Who knows what? (01:54:15):
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Duncan: Then we will have safer vaccines just by doing an analysis of each human person's set of genetics. (01:54:24):
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Jason: Well, the idea of genetically targeted medicine is if it's done with full consent (01:54:31):
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Jason: and proper testing, like that's really exciting, right? (01:54:36):
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Jason: The idea that we can edit our genetic code. I think that's great. (01:54:39):
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Jason: The idea that we could completely, you know, I'm not a Luddite about that. (01:54:43):
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Jason: I am against doing it to people against their will, though, you know, (01:54:46):
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Jason: without naming names. It's just like, how do we know that's going to work in the long run? (01:54:50):
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Duncan: You know roll I guess in that case it's roll the fucking dice but you know also (01:54:56):
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Duncan: again the human angle here gets left out and that's the other problem is like I'm sorry, (01:55:01):
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Duncan: regardless of like whatever data sets are floating out there you're not going to bludgeon, (01:55:09):
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Duncan: nervous parent and getting her kid a fucking vaccine by saying she's an idiot (01:55:16):
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Duncan: because she's worried about the vaccine which is the what has been the state well. (01:55:21):
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Jason: You might be able to bludgeon that person but now you've blown all your political (01:55:26):
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Jason: capital with them forever which is another huge reason why the dnc lost let's let's face (01:55:29):
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Duncan: It and so the like. (01:55:34):
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Jason: You've blown you've blown your it's like i assume it's like parenting where (01:55:36):
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Jason: it's like if you force a kid to do something you might be able to force them (01:55:39):
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Jason: but good luck like having them (01:55:42):
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Duncan: Trust you after oh my god and especially if they're kid (01:55:44):
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Duncan: has a reaction to the fucking vaccine it's like right (01:55:46):
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Duncan: this is the thing what we do know is per (01:55:49):
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Duncan: any human population there will be a vaccine reaction some (01:55:53):
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Duncan: kids get real fucking sick and some people die right and so we know that now (01:55:56):
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Duncan: asking a parent to enter a genetic lottery and roll the dice in the name of (01:56:00):
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Duncan: keeping their kid from becoming a super spreader i'm sorry man i'm not no spoiler (01:56:05):
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Duncan: watch the last of us dude i. (01:56:10):
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Jason: Love that's one of my i love those games just wanted to give me a break unfairly (01:56:13):
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Jason: malign last of us two one of the best games (01:56:18):
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Duncan: Ever you're asking a terrified parent to like to to turn their child into essentially (01:56:20):
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Duncan: some kind of sacrifice to protect a lot. (01:56:25):
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Jason: Of people were very on board with that (01:56:28):
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Duncan: Not gonna happen i'm saying let's mitigate (01:56:29):
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Duncan: the anxiety of parents by number one understanding what (01:56:32):
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Duncan: these reactions are that apparently are being obfuscated by (01:56:35):
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Duncan: the fucking pharmacy for big pharma (01:56:38):
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Duncan: and let's see if we can do an analysis (01:56:41):
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Duncan: and they there is they're afraid to say (01:56:44):
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Duncan: what's going on because they don't want to get sued so let's come (01:56:47):
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Duncan: up with a mechanism of transparency that actually (01:56:50):
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Duncan: brings out all data sets and allows us to understand why (01:56:54):
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Duncan: this shit happens is it batches is it a lack of regulation when the things are (01:56:57):
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Duncan: being created is it something that happens in transport is it something related (01:57:02):
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Duncan: to the genetics is it who knows let's discover that right and is there additives (01:57:06):
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Duncan: and shit that we could find better (01:57:11):
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Duncan: things that's the main thing i think that's what he wants to do well. (01:57:12):
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Jason: I'm completely for that and i think that i think that should be a non-partisan (01:57:16):
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Jason: issue i think i think that one thing that we can hopefully all agree on as americans (01:57:21):
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Jason: is the medical system fucking sucks in this country it is a fucking nightmare (01:57:27):
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Duncan: It's a shit show but i'll tell you man this is like this is like the other thing (01:57:32):
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Duncan: that i've been doing is sort of looking at the meta the meta like what are the (01:57:37):
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Duncan: similarities positive and negative in the teams and so i just i know it's on so like the. (01:57:42):
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Jason: Politicians who want to control people (01:57:50):
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Duncan: Well no let's take rachel maddow and sean hannity oh. (01:57:52):
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Jason: You know that like basically like when Tucker Carlson got sued for the Dominion voting machine, (01:57:58):
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Jason: They basically showed in a deposition that (01:58:05):
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Duncan: He and Rachel. (01:58:06):
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Jason: Maddow are the same person. They both hang out with Roger Ailes. (01:58:07):
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Jason: They both understand that they're entertainers, not journalists. (01:58:11):
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Jason: It's just like, yeah, it doesn't. (01:58:15):
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Duncan: Okay, so that being said, so then you look at what Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity do. (01:58:16):
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Duncan: And I like this because it's similar to pointing out that Satanists are Christians. (01:58:23):
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Duncan: It's brutal. it's in it and you can brutalize (01:58:28):
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Duncan: both sides not by even talking about (01:58:31):
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Duncan: their ideas but the similarities and when you (01:58:35):
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Duncan: start writing down the list of similarities between rachel maddow (01:58:38):
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Duncan: and sean annity it is (01:58:41):
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Duncan: spectacular in the sim there's so (01:58:44):
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Duncan: i'm not saying their belief structure i'm saying number one imminent threat (01:58:47):
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Duncan: reveal character structure yeah they always must reveal an imminent threat every (01:58:53):
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Duncan: show the the main blast you get to the amygdala that gives you the rush is an (01:58:58):
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Duncan: imminent threat shall be revealed well. (01:59:03):
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Jason: Is that them or is that just the format of the news because (01:59:06):
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Jason: they you know the moment or i can pinpoint the moment our society started falling (01:59:08):
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Jason: apart which is they did a study that revealed that fears or angers the most (01:59:12):
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Jason: viral emotion so every and this was like 2014 and that's when everyone started (01:59:16):
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Jason: pushing i mean not that they weren't before but that's when they started pushing that button hardcore (01:59:22):
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Duncan: Well listen they're clearly (01:59:26):
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Duncan: emissaries of the corporation they're (01:59:30):
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Duncan: working for but the and they're performing a (01:59:33):
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Duncan: ritual of fear it's a fear ritual it's really not a (01:59:36):
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Duncan: fear ritual what they're doing is an attention ritual designed (01:59:39):
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Duncan: to keep a person sitting in the couch when the commercial (01:59:42):
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Duncan: comes on that's what it is so really they're attention harvesters (01:59:45):
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Duncan: and they use fear to grab the attention (01:59:49):
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Duncan: and because that's their goal they have these incredible similarities (01:59:52):
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Duncan: not just in like not not (01:59:55):
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Duncan: just in the fact that they're both like literal fear mongers (01:59:58):
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Duncan: they're selling fear but that they are like linguistically rhythmically the (02:00:02):
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Duncan: aesthetic of the show itself and this is what i really love is like it's very (02:00:09):
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Duncan: similar in the sense that inevitably there is like an alarm, (02:00:15):
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Duncan: a trumpet, an air raid siren, (02:00:21):
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Duncan: You know what I mean? Something in the midst of... (02:00:25):
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Jason: The flashing. (02:00:28):
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Duncan: We've got to cut away. The Wilter Binkle. He was standing in front of a plastics factory fire. (02:00:30):
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Duncan: But it's like... So all of these... So basically, the way it works is... (02:00:36):
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Duncan: I guess you could say, because we were just talking about this, (02:00:41):
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Duncan: you're kind of getting your amygdala edged, right? (02:00:44):
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Duncan: They're both edging your amygdala, right? And so the grand orgasm is the final revelation. (02:00:46):
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Duncan: they do or disclose whatever the fucking thing (02:01:00):
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Duncan: you're supposed to be afraid of that day they will be like for reaction here's (02:01:02):
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Duncan: someone you've never heard of from the institute of fear right and that person (02:01:07):
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Duncan: will not will well then just when you think it can't get even more terrifying (02:01:11):
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Duncan: that person will find a new angle within the terror where you're even more afraid (02:01:15):
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Duncan: and then this they both do the identical thing man it's the. (02:01:19):
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Jason: Oh yeah i mean having worked in the media a lot it's like it's just like their (02:01:24):
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Jason: news profession their news media professionals they're they're they have the (02:01:28):
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Jason: same job they're doing that's the job and i think people in the meat people (02:01:32):
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Jason: in the media are pretty cynical (02:01:36):
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Jason: and you know i think they see it as not in (02:01:38):
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Jason: like and they're out to get people way but just in like (02:01:41):
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Jason: this is how it is you know and you know (02:01:44):
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Jason: they're all competing for ratings and like you know like I (02:01:47):
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Jason: don't buy for a second that like you know that like all the Fox (02:01:50):
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Jason: and CNN people like hook up like on the weekends and (02:01:53):
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Jason: shit like that you know like so they're all in the same (02:01:56):
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Jason: business but I have a great technique for getting (02:01:59):
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Jason: out of your amygdala when it comes to the news and world events is (02:02:02):
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Jason: don't watch there's that but I recommend learn how to look at the stock market (02:02:05):
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Jason: and I don't mean that on a moment-to-moment basis I know it's a little weird (02:02:10):
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Jason: and I don't mean that in like oh go make money on the stock market I suck at (02:02:13):
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Jason: trading that makes me that fucks up my amygdala But if you look at the long-term (02:02:18):
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Jason: economic data for the United States, (02:02:22):
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Jason: you get access to the charts, which you can do. (02:02:25):
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Jason: You look at i'm not saying the stock market is the only indicator of things (02:02:28):
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Jason: being good or not because obviously it's not as decoupled from wages but let's (02:02:32):
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Jason: just take this as one metric (02:02:36):
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Jason: you look at the uh the in the s p 500 which is the index of the top 500 companies in america (02:02:37):
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Jason: from like 1960 till now and what you see is (02:02:44):
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Jason: Right and those (02:02:51):
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Jason: those mers like like for instance like it's (02:02:55):
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Jason: and then covet is like and then (02:02:58):
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Jason: it rewrites and keeps going and it's like and (02:03:01):
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Jason: then look at that so like everything's basically fine (02:03:04):
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Jason: and then you go look at the news particularly if you (02:03:07):
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Jason: look at the financial news like if you look because of the financial news (02:03:10):
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Jason: like wall street journal or market watch does the same thing where (02:03:12):
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Jason: it's like this stock's crashing this stock's tanking everything's falling (02:03:15):
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Jason: apart buy sell buy sell and it's just like and then (02:03:18):
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Jason: you compare that to the long term let's just say (02:03:21):
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Jason: you know consider the long-term analytics on (02:03:24):
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Jason: america it's just like why are you concerned about anything like it not in this (02:03:27):
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Jason: way you're zoom basically you're zoomed in and these new these media companies (02:03:34):
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Jason: are keeping you zoomed in on minutiae to do exactly what you're saying but it's (02:03:38):
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Jason: not representative of reality. (02:03:44):
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Duncan: Well, no. At all. (02:03:46):
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Jason: And (02:03:47):
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Duncan: Especially when you realize it's. (02:03:47):
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Jason: Like- Even if you look at your own life, there have been ups and downs, (02:03:48):
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Duncan: But you know- You always, the downs, well, that's the, like if you find yourself (02:03:52):
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Duncan: in a catastrophic situation. (02:03:58):
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Jason: But often those are the most important times in life. Because I've learned the (02:04:00):
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Jason: most when I've been at my lowest. (02:04:03):
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Duncan: Well, but also like, you know, when I'm looking at times, (02:04:05):
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Duncan: like truly catastrophic situations and you look and yet somehow in that catastrophic (02:04:09):
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Duncan: situation, you realize you're fine. (02:04:17):
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Duncan: You might be scared, sad, upset, but you realize like, oh, here is the unexpected (02:04:19):
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Duncan: horror. And yet somehow I'm okay. (02:04:24):
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Jason: The greatest gift of the worst situations in life is gratitude and learning (02:04:27):
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Jason: that, you know, I, I, I was a, you know, (02:04:32):
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Jason: very, you know, arrogant, ego driven running around with my head on fire young (02:04:37):
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Jason: boy wizard you know in my early 20s until my life completely fell apart because (02:04:41):
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Jason: of that and i got to the point where i didn't i literally i'd just been thrown (02:04:46):
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Jason: out of canada and i didn't have anything to i had no physical possessions other (02:04:50):
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Jason: than the clothes on my back you got (02:04:54):
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Duncan: Thrown out of canada i'm sorry it's. (02:04:56):
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Jason: Fuck canada everything we should this is oh by the way my plan for the trump (02:04:58):
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Jason: administration trump should invade canada (02:05:02):
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Duncan: Why why. (02:05:04):
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Jason: Not have you looked (02:05:05):
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Duncan: At them dude i was just up there you know i you know i love the canadians drugs (02:05:06):
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Duncan: would be criminalized there some dude brought me a bag here's. (02:05:11):
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Jason: The thing that here's the thing about canada it's awesome and you think it's (02:05:15):
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Jason: paradise until it's they suddenly go cold on you and when they go cold on you (02:05:18):
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Jason: it's fucking brutal i didn't (02:05:23):
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Duncan: Think it was paradise they. (02:05:24):
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Jason: Have an edge to (02:05:26):
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Duncan: Them but i'll tell you this this guy did bring me a bag of drugs that is i'm (02:05:26):
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Duncan: just is apparently legal there and which was why. (02:05:32):
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Jason: Ayahuasca like from dispensary (02:05:36):
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Duncan: Every there was this bag was enough psychedelics to (02:05:37):
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Duncan: keep me going for the next 20 years and it (02:05:40):
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Duncan: was tragic because i obviously (02:05:43):
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Duncan: cannot bring a bag of (02:05:47):
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Duncan: psychedelics from canada texas i'm (02:05:51):
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Duncan: never gonna do that but it was a really sad bittersweet (02:05:57):
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Duncan: moment going through this bag and just (02:06:00):
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Duncan: like wait what is this oh that's lsd wait (02:06:03):
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Duncan: what this is like a chanel bottle of ls you know what i mean like what the fuck (02:06:06):
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Duncan: and then it's like well what is this chanel number 23 well those are like mushrooms (02:06:12):
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Duncan: but like these mushrooms have been extracted in a way based on like times of year and so anyway. (02:06:16):
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Jason: I love drug hobbits who just show up and give you (02:06:24):
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Duncan: Drugs and what a sweetie but what a sad thing anyway yeah man i get it dude i listen, (02:06:26):
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Duncan: canada and canada is going through it right now. (02:06:34):
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Jason: Yeah i mean they they well they (02:06:38):
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Duncan: Hate trudeau by the way it's not like anyone likes that. (02:06:42):
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Jason: Motherfucker it's just it's a it's a he's (02:06:45):
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Duncan: Like he's like statistically you look at the data people are fucking pissed at that. (02:06:48):
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Jason: Guy how is he still in office dude he's been in office for like for a long ass time he's very (02:06:52):
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Duncan: Good at staying in. (02:06:57):
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Jason: Office what the hell but the (02:06:58):
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Duncan: You know you can't post. (02:07:00):
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Jason: You remember the blackface picture of him that came out with the turban (02:07:01):
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Duncan: On and that did nothing it's like (02:07:04):
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Duncan: what the hell but he he on in canada you can't post news stories on instagram (02:07:07):
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Duncan: did you know that what if you post it could just be like a news story not your (02:07:13):
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Duncan: commentary just a news story if you have to be licensed to post news on social (02:07:18):
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Duncan: media to combat misinformation yeah. (02:07:23):
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Jason: See that's the thing i mean when when all that misinformation stuff (02:07:26):
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Jason: started happening 2015 2016 around the (02:07:29):
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Jason: time of gamer after gamer gate i was running i (02:07:32):
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Jason: was doing a blog this is around the time i first met you ultra ultra (02:07:35):
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Jason: for the blog which was you know we were (02:07:38):
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Jason: doing citizen journalism putting out stories (02:07:41):
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Jason: that the mainstream media wasn't picking up and it wasn't like (02:07:44):
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Jason: a huge blog but in doing that really seriously (02:07:47):
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Jason: i was able to really understand how the (02:07:50):
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Jason: news media works and it's just somebody picks up a story and (02:07:53):
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Jason: it gets passed up a chain all the way to the top but so many (02:07:56):
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Jason: things get ignored and when they (02:07:59):
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Jason: came the minute they came in and they were like oh we we have a misinformation (02:08:03):
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Jason: problem on social media like we need to crack down on this information now okay (02:08:07):
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Jason: russians yes but the result of that is what they're really saying is we want (02:08:12):
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Jason: to retain our control over what people 100 you can't you or you can't be the media hillary (02:08:17):
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Duncan: Clinton said that she just came out and. (02:08:23):
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Jason: Said yeah she came what did she say we (02:08:24):
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Duncan: Lose total control right she literally said it. (02:08:26):
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Jason: Out loud god forbid right it's like it's like the whole history you know the (02:08:30):
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Jason: invention of social media and particularly youtube is possibly bigger than the (02:08:34):
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Jason: invention of the printing press and the gutenberg bible which they have the (02:08:41):
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Jason: original one here right by the way filtering (02:08:45):
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Duncan: Misinformation out of the internet is like taking sugar out of a cupcake i like (02:08:47):
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Duncan: the misinformation right i don't want my internet that misinformation free. (02:08:52):
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Duncan: I love the warp distorted data. (02:08:56):
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Jason: Yeah, I think that a good middle path on that. And if people want to critique (02:08:58):
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Jason: this, please, because there's probably things I haven't thought about. (02:09:03):
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Jason: There's probably a factor. And I'd like people to critique this. But I think that. (02:09:06):
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Jason: The good middle path there is there needs to be like a safe lane internet (02:09:10):
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Jason: like a third place which is for kids you (02:09:13):
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Jason: know there's there is a censored internet for kids (02:09:16):
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Jason: because at the end of the day you don't want kids going on (02:09:19):
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Jason: fucking 8chan or having pedos (02:09:22):
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Jason: come after them you know and all that stuff is on the internet and so (02:09:25):
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Jason: but also you don't want to you don't want to completely censor (02:09:29):
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Jason: you don't want to censor and kick out (02:09:32):
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Jason: political ideas you know every i i'm an old free (02:09:35):
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Jason: speech absolute is everything should be (02:09:38):
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Jason: there for people to look at so that ideas even like they (02:09:41):
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Jason: the daily stormer okay it's like that stuff should be (02:09:44):
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Jason: out there for people to see and critique because it goes back to what we were (02:09:47):
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Jason: talking about earlier where if you make something taboo and you push something (02:09:51):
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Jason: into the shadows it becomes interesting you empower it that's a psychological (02:09:55):
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Jason: principle for a prove that you know so uh and it's been proven again and again so well look let (02:09:59):
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Duncan: Me tell you if like you want to go to a place where you will not be traumatized (02:10:06):
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Duncan: tormented and upset by misinformation might i invite you to a little place called blue sky. (02:10:12):
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Jason: Jesus i'm grateful even for blue sky safe (02:10:19):
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Duncan: Not free not free. (02:10:24):
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Jason: Blue sky is like a it's like a furry gangbang it's for it's It's X for furries, I'm convinced of it. (02:10:28):
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Duncan: I like furries, furries are wild, dude. Like I've always had a soft, let me tell you. (02:10:34):
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Jason: Furries are- I'm fur-phobic. Are you fur-phobic? I'm a little bit fur-phobic. Why? (02:10:40):
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Jason: I kinda feel like adults that dress like stuffed animals, stuffed animals, (02:10:45):
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Jason: maybe I'm wrong, but might have some other issues going on, maybe shouldn't (02:10:49):
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Jason: be around kids, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that. (02:10:52):
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Duncan: Let me tell you something. (02:10:55):
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Jason: I'd err on the side of caution on that one. Here's where I (02:10:57):
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Duncan: Started tuning into the furry verse. (02:10:59):
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Duncan: It was because there was a post on 4chan poll. And I was impressed by the post because the post. (02:11:02):
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Jason: How often are you on a poll? (02:11:09):
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Duncan: It doesn't matter. But the post on 4chan poll was hilarious in the sense that (02:11:11):
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Duncan: somehow the furries had managed to offend 4chan poll. (02:11:18):
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Duncan: And it wasn't just one person. It was like full consensus. So to see that Fort (02:11:24):
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Duncan: Jampol had been offended by the depravity of this group of people. (02:11:28):
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Jason: Wait, what were they doing that was so offensive other than existing? (02:11:34):
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Duncan: No, they were, you know how Fort Jampol is. (02:11:36):
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Duncan: It's like it veers from like, you know, complete schizophrenic rambling to what (02:11:39):
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Duncan: appears to be really insightful political analysis to like white fucking supremacy (02:11:44):
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Duncan: to like trolling to like whatever. (02:11:49):
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Duncan: But it it was the uniformity of disgust that seemed anomalous in the sense that (02:11:52):
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Duncan: like they really were just freaked out by the furries and so then i started (02:12:00):
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Duncan: looking into them because it's like dude if they're upsetting the troll lords (02:12:06):
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Duncan: pull like what the fuck is going. (02:12:09):
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Jason: On here maybe maybe so maybe like if i if i disfreeze it will just make them (02:12:12):
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Jason: stronger maybe i should watch out (02:12:15):
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Duncan: For that dude you better watch out but i'll tell you. (02:12:16):
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Jason: Gonna be in a furocracy (02:12:19):
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Duncan: That led me to furry form. (02:12:20):
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Jason: It was just that, right? (02:12:23):
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Duncan: I wanted to confirm they're depraved. Because I think there's something quite (02:12:25):
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Duncan: beautiful about depravity. (02:12:30):
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Duncan: I'm talking like Caligula level. You know what I mean? So I found furry form, (02:12:32):
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Duncan: They are freaks. It'll blow your wig back. (02:12:40):
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Duncan: And I don't mean just freaks in the sense of like kinky, fetishistic, sex, whatever. (02:12:44):
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Duncan: I'm saying apparently, and again, my sample set was like maybe three porn videos (02:12:50):
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Duncan: on X Hamster that seemed like amateur furry porn, so it's not really scientific. (02:12:56):
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Duncan: But the complete, perfect shamelessness of the furries. (02:13:00):
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Jason: Maybe they're free. maybe maybe that's their they've achieved final (02:13:08):
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Duncan: Enlightenment well this was the accusation for 14 polls that they're nihilists (02:13:10):
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Duncan: they have like they they they're they're the ultimate my. (02:13:13):
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Jason: Take on free is (02:13:16):
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Duncan: Degeneracy my. (02:13:17):
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Jason: Take on free is it's just it's humans in their first incarnation is humans (02:13:18):
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Duncan: Dude i i really don't know and. (02:13:21):
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Jason: They're they're still still at animal consciousness (02:13:25):
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Duncan: It's what whatever it is is wild and is so outside of default reality and somehow i. (02:13:27):
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Jason: Shouldn't knock it maybe i should try it (02:13:36):
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Duncan: No i wouldn't go that far but so it's so simultaneously, (02:13:38):
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Duncan: okay like we've all seen the shining yeah and most people's first encounter (02:13:44):
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Duncan: with a furry is that micro scene where i think it's a fucking rabbit i forgot (02:13:49):
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Duncan: about blowing somebody and it's horrifying maybe. (02:13:54):
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Jason: That's why people hate (02:13:57):
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Duncan: Furries you don't dude no that was a furry that made the Of course, (02:13:58):
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Duncan: the Overlook Hotel had some population at first, but it's the convergence of mascots, (02:14:03):
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Duncan: custom-made animal outfits, (02:14:11):
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Duncan: with this underbelly of just fucking, which apparently they do. (02:14:15):
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Jason: Yiffing, they call it. What do they call it? See that? (02:14:22):
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Duncan: Dude, that's so fucked up. (02:14:25):
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Duncan: Yiffing? (02:14:28):
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Jason: Yiffing. Y-I-F-F. It makes you shudder in heart. Google it or don't. (02:14:28):
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Duncan: Yiffing. It's like the whole thing. It's this incredible combination of personal (02:14:34):
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Duncan: autonomy, self-expression, (02:14:39):
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Duncan: going outside of default reality, mixed in with like shudder-inducing Bacchanalian (02:14:42):
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Duncan: Hieronymus Bosh-style fucking at convention centers. (02:14:48):
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Jason: Oh, yeah. Well, this is... Because I grew up in San Diego, so I went to the (02:14:53):
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Jason: Comic-Con every year and there were always furries so i knew about furries even (02:14:56):
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Jason: into the 90s and it was just like who the fuck are these people like this well (02:15:00):
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Duncan: They're not people. (02:15:05):
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Jason: Oh yeah stop (02:15:06):
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Duncan: With that don't don't fucking force them into your human. (02:15:07):
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Jason: Grid it is interesting though right where it's like when when you make something (02:15:10):
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Jason: taboo maybe even furries you know it's like when you make something taboo (02:15:14):
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Jason: it's you know freud wrote a book about that totem and taboo you (02:15:17):
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Jason: make it you empower it you give it magical power (02:15:21):
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Jason: this is why like one of the things in magic is you're not (02:15:24):
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Jason: supposed to talk about it you know never reveal your (02:15:27):
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Jason: pentacles as they say and it's not necessarily because because when (02:15:29):
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Jason: you talk about magic it's basically meaningless to people right it just doesn't (02:15:32):
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Jason: mean anything it sounds like whatever it's like some specialist thing (02:15:35):
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Jason: or it's schizophrenic or whatever but there's power in in keeping something (02:15:38):
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Jason: secret and taboo yes and in a lot of ways magic is no longer taboo in our society (02:15:42):
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Jason: you're welcome but that kind of that disempowers it a little bit so there is (02:15:49):
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Jason: a bit of a side effect but put your pinnacles (02:15:55):
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Duncan: In a tweety bird costume. (02:15:57):
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Jason: Yeah and let them fuck but people need people (02:16:00):
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Duncan: Need to be careful. (02:16:03):
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Jason: About that though and i think that the entire thing of (02:16:04):
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Jason: the left to de-platform to censor all of this you know they need to be careful (02:16:07):
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Jason: because if you go back in history you look at let's say the 60s right there (02:16:11):
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Jason: was radio luxembourg pirate radio it was it was off of you know sending pirate (02:16:16):
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Jason: radio into england so people were hearing all this rock music and stuff and that became (02:16:20):
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Duncan: And then it. (02:16:26):
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Jason: Fueled the counterculture and then there were counterculture zines like (02:16:27):
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Jason: the berkeley barb and like the the hippie press which (02:16:30):
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Jason: was considered degenerate by the the population those people all ended up becoming (02:16:33):
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Jason: the people who were into that were part of that kind of secret elite in a way (02:16:38):
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Jason: ended up becoming the managerial class of society people like hillary clinton (02:16:43):
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Jason: the clintons like were a part of that generation richard branson right (02:16:49):
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Jason: So you look around now and it's like, well, what are they making taboo? (02:16:54):
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Jason: There's a good chance that's going to be, well, I mean, you see, (02:16:58):
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Jason: maybe it's a faster cycle now because now look at the government, (02:17:01):
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Jason: but there's a good chance that things like they're just empowering things like that. (02:17:03):
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Jason: And then if we look at America within a couple of decades, it's going to be (02:17:07):
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Jason: like poll tards or the managerial class. (02:17:10):
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Jason: It's possible, you know, so. (02:17:13):
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Duncan: The worst thing. Certainly make it fun to work at your office. (02:17:15):
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Duncan: You just can't believe anything anyone says. (02:17:19):
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Jason: That's kind of how it is now, though. (02:17:21):
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Duncan: Dude i can't i have embarrassed myself so many like i'm such a dipshit such (02:17:22):
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Duncan: a dummy and it's so many times i get tricked on there so many times just like (02:17:27):
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Duncan: a cat like just chasing a laser tricked. (02:17:31):
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Jason: On uh 4chan well yeah any because like you i haven't even looked at 4chan for (02:17:34):
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Jason: like since the since covid (02:17:38):
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Duncan: Listen you know if you have the if you have any kind of ability to i'm. (02:17:40):
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Jason: I'm a i'm an old fag as they say (02:17:45):
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Duncan: You are me too but. (02:17:47):
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Jason: If you can i've been on the chans a long time not anymore (02:17:49):
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Duncan: But if you can withstand the brutality of the place and all and not in like (02:17:51):
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Duncan: recognize that like so many things are just well-crafted trolls that are posted there you know well. (02:17:56):
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Jason: Q anon was a troll that started on fucking pull you know that right they were (02:18:02):
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Jason: like how can we fuck with boomers it's and they made up q anon dude (02:18:06):
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Duncan: They're chaos lords yeah but but but yeah these. (02:18:09):
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Jason: People believe it no (02:18:12):
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Duncan: Well you get they'll get you they shall get (02:18:13):
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Duncan: you but yeah man i think that the what (02:18:16):
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Duncan: we're seeing now is like some (02:18:21):
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Duncan: kind of old testament style justice which is you (02:18:24):
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Duncan: know live by the cancel die by the cancel and what we're seeing now is that (02:18:28):
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Duncan: somehow these people that were driving the culture bus have been relegated to (02:18:34):
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Duncan: the back of the bus they've been shoved. (02:18:42):
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Jason: Their own fault and (02:18:44):
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Duncan: And and they because. (02:18:45):
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Jason: They turned the other thing they did is they turfed out all their interesting (02:18:47):
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Jason: people. They turfed out me. I spent my 20s (02:18:50):
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Jason: practically killing myself working for those causes and i still believe in anti-war (02:18:54):
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Jason: and all that but it's like they turfed me out oh you know you're canceled you're (02:18:58):
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Jason: white male we're not going to pay you unpaid internships like get out of here (02:19:01):
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Jason: it's like they they pushed away all their most intelligent (02:19:05):
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Duncan: So many stories like that and and and then (02:19:07):
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Duncan: what so now what's happened is at first they were these arbiters of social justice (02:19:10):
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Duncan: bringing the fucking band they were applying redditor mod techniques to to you (02:19:16):
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Duncan: know what i mean they were like banning people not from reddit they were fucking (02:19:23):
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Duncan: banning people from society and it was working wasn't. (02:19:27):
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Jason: Gizlay maxwell the reddit mod (02:19:29):
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Duncan: So they say yeah so they say like. (02:19:31):
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Jason: A lot of subreddits (02:19:34):
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Duncan: It's so weird but the main the takeaway here is all they've done is driven themselves (02:19:35):
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Duncan: into the place they were trying to drive everyone else and and now they they (02:19:42):
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Duncan: they have to find a way to get the fuck out of this dark hell corner that. (02:19:47):
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Jason: They've put they're not they're doubling going to blue sky it's just like they're (02:19:53):
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Jason: going for retreating further into an echo chamber (02:19:57):
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Duncan: Dude i must say and you talked about it earlier my favorite thing right now (02:19:59):
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Duncan: on the internet is the twitter departure announcement it is posted. (02:20:06):
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Jason: About this today (02:20:13):
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Duncan: These are like. (02:20:13):
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Jason: The 15 step i'm leaving i'm really leaving now i'm not this is a dumpster fire (02:20:15):
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Jason: uh fuck elon i'm going to blues here's my blues it's just like fucking nobody (02:20:19):
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Duncan: Cares i love them because they are written in the way you might write a letter (02:20:23):
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Duncan: if you are leaving your wife they're written with such gravity as though like (02:20:28):
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Duncan: the world will stop the Oh my God. (02:20:35):
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Duncan: No, wait, what? Oh no. (02:20:38):
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Duncan: Stephen, Stephen King? (02:20:42):
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Duncan: First of all, thank you for telling me, because I just hover over your Twitter (02:20:46):
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Duncan: timeline all day long waiting for that next tweet. (02:20:51):
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Jason: I actually love Stephen King's tweets because they're the ultimate dad joke (02:20:53):
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Jason: tweets. He's like the archetype of dad joke dad. (02:20:57):
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Duncan: Somehow, yeah. Somehow he manages to... What I don't understand about Stephen (02:21:01):
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Duncan: King's tweets is very confusing to me. (02:21:05):
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Duncan: He's written some of my favorite books on planet Earth, but his fucking tweets suck ass. (02:21:08):
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Jason: Yeah, they're really bad. (02:21:13):
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Duncan: I guess it's because it's short form. He's not good at short form. But the tweets are... (02:21:14):
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Jason: They're all just like, Donald Trump, more like Donald shit. (02:21:18):
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Duncan: Yeah, it's these rancid, like, stinky tweets that are like... (02:21:21):
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Duncan: And it's like, dude, you made Roland of Gilead, the gunslinger. What are you doing? (02:21:26):
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Jason: You are literally one of the most, if not the most, you know, (02:21:31):
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Jason: successful writers in human history. (02:21:35):
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Jason: And it's for a reason because he is a phenomenal talent. (02:21:37):
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Jason: A phenomenal writer, but yeah. yeah twitter ruins everyone (02:21:41):
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Duncan: Dude it's just like you know i haven't been going on twitter lately it's not (02:21:44):
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Duncan: because of anything other than like i don't really i got back on after you want (02:21:49):
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Duncan: it's i i did revisit it it's fine but. (02:21:52):
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Jason: Like i get a lot of like i there's just something i should i (02:21:55):
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Duncan: Probably exhausted. (02:21:59):
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Jason: It by this point but just like there was just this like glee of me of like getting (02:22:01):
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Jason: on twitter because like i didn't touch twitter for years because it was run (02:22:07):
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Jason: by the hall monitor class and it's just like you do a cost-benefit analysis it's not worth it (02:22:12):
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Duncan: You are in trouble well. (02:22:16):
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Jason: I was but then i just stopped tweeting (02:22:19):
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Duncan: Very bad boy. (02:22:21):
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Jason: Yeah the hall monitors but there was some glee and like reclaiming the turf (02:22:22):
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Jason: for sure the performance the performative leaving of twitter is retarded it also (02:22:26):
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Duncan: Dude i'm sorry i cut you off no this just popped in (02:22:31):
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Duncan: my hand forgive me imagine this you're taking a shit in an airplane bathroom (02:22:34):
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Duncan: and you look over and someone has written I will no longer be graffitiing on (02:22:40):
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Duncan: this bathroom wall if you want to see my graffiti I will be graffitiing in the next stall over. (02:22:45):
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Jason: It's so painful. You know, it's even worse, though, that I've been seeing a (02:22:53):
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Jason: lot of the aggressive, performative calls to self-care. (02:22:57):
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Jason: And what I mean by that is like, we need to look out for each other now, people. (02:23:01):
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Jason: We need to all take care of ourselves. You know, take some time. (02:23:05):
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Jason: Go take a hot bath and come back for the fight. (02:23:09):
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Jason: Yeah. And it's like so many people are doing this. And you know they're communists (02:23:13):
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Jason: because they all use the royal we. (02:23:16):
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Jason: We. we we and my response to people who use we for anything is get your fucking (02:23:19):
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Jason: we off me i didn't consent yeah i think (02:23:24):
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Duncan: It's your fucking. (02:23:26):
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Jason: We yeah but like everyone is it's like the (02:23:26):
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Jason: aggressive like it's like everyone's like a like all these people are like little (02:23:29):
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Jason: fucking like fidel castro tyrants on their own timeline and i love like there's (02:23:34):
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Jason: a certain style there's a certain linguistic style that super lefty super online (02:23:39):
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Jason: people use where it's like they're giving pronouncements absolutely You know, where it's like, (02:23:44):
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Jason: it sounds like something nice and sweet, but it's like a dictate. (02:23:49):
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Jason: And I don't even mean like cancel culture. (02:23:52):
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Jason: I just mean like, you know, like we really need to look at where we're at. (02:23:54):
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Jason: We're at as a society. That's kind of a lame example, but it's that kind of tone. (02:23:58):
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Duncan: This is what it was. And I honestly feel like I was part of getting rid of this (02:24:01):
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Duncan: because I posted, I mean, I'm so narcissistic to think that, (02:24:05):
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Duncan: but I, if I was even a little part of getting rid of this, I'm happy because (02:24:09):
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Duncan: I haven't seen it as much. (02:24:12):
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Duncan: This was the ultimate version of what you're saying. We, clap emoji, (02:24:14):
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Duncan: need clap emoji to clap emoji. (02:24:19):
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Duncan: More clap emoji baths or whatever the fuck. You know what I mean? (02:24:27):
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Duncan: It was like the clap emoji. (02:24:32):
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Duncan: You're humiliating yourself by feeling whatever you're saying you think is so (02:24:34):
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Duncan: ineffective that you need to put cartoon hands clapping in between. (02:24:40):
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Jason: Oh, God, that's the most shrill fucking... (02:24:45):
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Duncan: What the fuck's wrong with you? The clap emoji was a nightmare. (02:24:47):
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Duncan: There was a horrible phase where everybody. (02:24:51):
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Jason: Was doing the clap emoji. That's a true nightmare. (02:24:53):
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Duncan: And what's really annoying about it is this it's like there's a i would say (02:24:57):
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Duncan: there's good times for a clap emoji like for example if you knew that bombs (02:25:01):
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Duncan: had been planted in literally everyone's house in america they were about to (02:25:06):
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Duncan: go off you need to get the fuck out of your house, (02:25:10):
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Duncan: don't do clap like. (02:25:14):
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Jason: Imagine somebody just clapping aggressively in your face it's about like the worst thing oh (02:25:16):
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Duncan: There was a people were doing that people were actualizing the clap emoji in (02:25:20):
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Duncan: real life and they clap in your fucking face yeah it's common but dude this (02:25:24):
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Duncan: this this what's happening right now as far as the come to jesus moment. (02:25:29):
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Jason: Are they gonna have a come to jesus (02:25:38):
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Duncan: Oh yeah oh i don't. (02:25:40):
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Jason: Know they might just double down (02:25:41):
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Duncan: Nope nope what. (02:25:43):
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Jason: Do you think (02:25:45):
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Duncan: I i i think we're gonna see you know a fever breaks right before it breaks. (02:25:46):
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Duncan: That's what we're seeing. You're going to see a few more big sweats. (02:25:53):
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Duncan: But what's happening now is they are hemorrhaging, essentially the cyst that (02:25:57):
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Duncan: contained within it, the population of that particular disease. (02:26:05):
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Duncan: Meme scape has popped and people are leaving it silently not so silently. (02:26:11):
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Jason: I don't know there's a fucking lot of people on blue sky oh (02:26:17):
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Duncan: Dude no no no but here's the problem with blue sky the (02:26:20):
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Duncan: joy of correcting the (02:26:24):
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Duncan: trolls is gone yeah no more trolls now what will happen you got to fall on each (02:26:28):
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Duncan: other now you got to attack each other that always happens and so then that (02:26:34):
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Duncan: will what will inevitably happen is the least pure of the blue sky recruits (02:26:38):
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Duncan: will be banned and they will be forced to. (02:26:43):
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Jason: That's already happening you know that's like they're like literally the things (02:26:46):
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Jason: falling apart because they're getting like 40 000 block requests a day something (02:26:50):
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Jason: like there you go it's already happening yeah (02:26:53):
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Duncan: There you go aside from the swarms of trolls descending on blue sky because (02:26:55):
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Duncan: it's some kind of mark of honor to get to be. (02:26:59):
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Jason: Fair though like if we want to go out on this route (02:27:01):
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Jason: that's literally how all communist regimes behave and they (02:27:03):
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Jason: seem to be fairly stable or at least China is at (02:27:06):
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Jason: the moment Russia wasn't or Soviet Union wasn't I (02:27:09):
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Jason: have a theory at a bear with me it's a it's a document a (02:27:12):
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Jason: type of domino theory if you will that if we let (02:27:15):
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Jason: the communists take blue sky that may spread to other parts of the internet (02:27:19):
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Jason: now that they're all cut because see here's the thing what's gonna be like the (02:27:23):
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Jason: thing that's gonna happen with blue sky could also be like what happened with (02:27:27):
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Jason: pole where you put all the most extreme people in one place and it's like sending (02:27:31):
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Jason: people to prison now they come out hardened oh (02:27:36):
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Duncan: Yeah so that could also. (02:27:38):
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Jason: Happen so my personal feeling is we need to divert funds from ukraine to attack (02:27:39):
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Jason: blue sky oh before it gets out of hand and we just need to cut off communism at the head while we (02:27:43):
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Duncan: Have them all. (02:27:48):
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Jason: In one place well (02:27:48):
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Duncan: You know though i mean i think like if you look at like the success of communism (02:27:50):
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Duncan: like how do we how are we gonna like if you and i decided we wanted to bring (02:27:56):
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Duncan: communism to the world you know, (02:28:00):
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Duncan: number what i do like about the methods of inducing communism what i like about (02:28:04):
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Duncan: it is how insidious it is i really think that's cool i like that propagation (02:28:11):
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Duncan: of it via like a kind of underground that's super cool and also i like that (02:28:17):
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Duncan: it's data driven right like real communism, (02:28:21):
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Duncan: it involves like you got to kind of do the pull-up of like understanding classism (02:28:26):
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Duncan: understanding economics. (02:28:31):
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Jason: Reading marks had a lot of great ideas absolutely he had a lot of stupid ideas (02:28:33):
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Jason: too but he had like for instance class analysis yeah and one of the big issues (02:28:37):
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Jason: with america is it denies the reality of class even though it's on there are (02:28:42):
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Jason: obviously classes in america even if they're a bit more fluid that's it so focus (02:28:45):
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Duncan: On the core. (02:28:50):
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Jason: So like (02:28:50):
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Duncan: When what's happening with whatever if you like whatever this version of some (02:28:52):
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Duncan: kind of like neo communism is that it's not focusing on the core, it's focusing on, (02:28:56):
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Duncan: this bizarre emphasis on inclusivity instead of economics. (02:29:04):
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Duncan: And that's fucking them up real bad. (02:29:13):
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Jason: I would hazard a guess, and I was just watching a documentary on this last night, (02:29:16):
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Jason: but I would hazard a guess that, because at least as I recall it, (02:29:19):
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Jason: I don't know about you, but at least as I recall it, (02:29:25):
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Jason: I mean, again, I'm a left-wing person, or at least the old definition of the left. (02:29:27):
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Jason: I had a marxist journalism professor in college (02:29:32):
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Jason: who was the marxist mayor of santa cruz mike rockin right (02:29:35):
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Jason: it's like you know it's like i studied marxism in school i'm not a (02:29:38):
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Jason: marxist i rejected it because i'm an anarchist it's like i'm i (02:29:41):
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Jason: don't the reason i don't like communism is because it's too statist i don't (02:29:44):
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Jason: want to fucking state that's the fucking problem it's like we like it's like (02:29:48):
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Jason: wait so you're saying that and it's kind of the issue i had with bernie sanders (02:29:52):
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Jason: like wait so you're saying the government is corrupt so the answer is to give (02:29:55):
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Jason: more money to the government make that make sense for me but well it's founded on (02:29:57):
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Duncan: The notion that it like the government's dissolves isn't it it's like. (02:30:02):
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Jason: The idea which doesn't happen never will happen that's never going to happen (02:30:06):
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Duncan: Isn't that the essentially the big malfunction of the whole system. (02:30:09):
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Jason: Is that the people are people you lean into the notion you just get what you (02:30:12):
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Jason: end up with a commissar the regulator (02:30:16):
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Duncan: The right the initial regulation will dissolve because it won't be necessary. (02:30:17):
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Jason: Well it's like it's like animal farm all animals are equal but some animals (02:30:22):
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Jason: are more equal than others yeah there you go i love george orwell i really do (02:30:25):
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Jason: i think people should revisit his his books even though they're so obvious and (02:30:30):
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Jason: they get taught in school but wouldn't (02:30:33):
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Duncan: You say communism and anarchism they share a kind of humanist idealism in the (02:30:35):
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Duncan: sense that i think both of them. (02:30:40):
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Jason: They share a certain dna but but they diverge at the point of absolutely creation of a state (02:30:41):
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Duncan: I mean is hated. (02:30:47):
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Jason: Anarchists yeah and and vice versa and i that's still the case i think that (02:30:48):
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Jason: and i consider myself a philosophical anarchist still, but that is not the same (02:30:53):
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Jason: as saying there shouldn't be any laws because I'm also a realist. But the... (02:30:58):
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Jason: I'm sure you remember around that (02:31:04):
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Jason: same time, just this idea of millennial communism came out of nowhere. (02:31:06):
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Jason: All of a sudden, people started talking about communism and Marxism again and (02:31:12):
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Jason: being communist furries and all that. That just came out of nowhere. (02:31:15):
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Jason: I would hazard to guess that that's astroturfing by China. (02:31:20):
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Jason: The reason that they made it into this corrosive thing as well is to destabilize (02:31:24):
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Jason: American society and destabilize the youth, which now they're doing with TikTok. (02:31:30):
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Jason: But I think that, you know, America has been increasingly in bed with China (02:31:34):
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Jason: since the Clinton administration, actually since Nixon. (02:31:39):
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Jason: And I think that they're, you know, we've become more aware of Russian influence (02:31:43):
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Jason: operations. And now to some extent in the last year, we've become more aware, (02:31:49):
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Jason: I hope, of Iranian influence operations. (02:31:53):
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Jason: But I think that the Chinese These influence operations are the biggest ones (02:31:56):
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Jason: of all, and they're the most subtle and long-term. (02:31:59):
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Duncan: Dude, okay. So I will send it to you because I can't remember the name. (02:32:02):
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Duncan: It sucks for everyone else because I have a cheese brain. (02:32:06):
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Duncan: But, oh, I listened to this wonderful podcast on communism then and now. (02:32:09):
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Duncan: Oh, so good. And I think he did the podcast as a kind of response to the, (02:32:16):
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Duncan: you know, people talking about the current threat of communism in the world. Right. (02:32:25):
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Duncan: So he was, you know, did this incredible history of American communism. (02:32:29):
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Duncan: And I was talking about how it was underground. (02:32:36):
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Duncan: It wasn't fashionable. And you would have to find the communists, right? (02:32:42):
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Duncan: You find the communists, you get vetted, I guess. You get gradually brought in. (02:32:49):
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Duncan: And they would say things to you like, don't quit your job. (02:32:53):
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Duncan: Become the best at your job. (02:32:56):
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Duncan: Learn everything you can. (02:33:01):
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Jason: We're talking about in the U.S.? (02:33:03):
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Duncan: Yeah, in the U.S. in what time period i will have to send it to you i think (02:33:05):
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Duncan: this was like 50s when ginsburg was writing about it and stuff right so the (02:33:08):
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Duncan: idea was that at least the takeaway i got was okay, (02:33:12):
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Duncan: you look at the modern neo-nazi right they show a picture of the agents not (02:33:18):
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Duncan: that not the fucking fbi agents right. (02:33:22):
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Jason: People keep i was on blue sky people were posting pictures of nazis marching (02:33:25):
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Jason: with flags and there's really ridiculous stereotypical they're like i can't (02:33:29):
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Jason: believe these people they're on the streets i just posted like most of them (02:33:32):
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Jason: in a slow day at the office of the (02:33:34):
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Duncan: Fda yeah let's go march but you look (02:33:36):
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Duncan: at you know the the classic neo-nazi and (02:33:39):
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Duncan: generally and then you just put that next to a picture (02:33:44):
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Duncan: of like the ss on one (02:33:47):
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Duncan: side you inevitably have someone who's disheveled clearly not disciplined clearly (02:33:50):
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Duncan: foggy and on the other side you have a mind controlled super trained agent of (02:33:57):
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Duncan: the fucking state a deadly killer that's the scary nazi versus the neo-nazi, (02:34:02):
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Duncan: which seems to lack a lot of the discipline of the actual thing itself. (02:34:09):
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Duncan: So I would say if we look at the modern communist versus the, (02:34:14):
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Duncan: the, the originator communists, the revolutionary communist, (02:34:18):
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Duncan: the revolutionary communist was fucking scary. (02:34:23):
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Duncan: They would die. They would, they were really up for the revolution and they (02:34:27):
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Duncan: were actively trying to stabilize society by any means possible to bring about (02:34:32):
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Duncan: the communist revolution and they were fucking scary i don't get that from this (02:34:38):
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Duncan: modern the modern communists i don't get that from. (02:34:43):
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Jason: Modern communists but i certainly get that from chinese agents in the u.s who (02:34:46):
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Jason: are here stealing right from information from research research institutes (02:34:51):
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Duncan: Sure but i. (02:34:54):
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Jason: Get that from you know tiktok right people running (02:34:55):
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Duncan: Tiktok what i but clear but the problem is they're (02:34:58):
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Duncan: running in headfirst into (02:35:02):
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Duncan: capitalism right and they're not (02:35:06):
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Duncan: just running into capitalism they're running into like absolute hedonism and (02:35:09):
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Duncan: also the way they got to where they're at was (02:35:12):
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Duncan: not from a culture of hedonism and abundance for the fucking communist rev that (02:35:16):
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Duncan: revolution to happen she was fucked up in the same way that for the ss to come (02:35:22):
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Duncan: to power she was fucked up in germany right how the fuck do you actually execute (02:35:27):
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Duncan: real communism in a hedonic, (02:35:32):
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Duncan: relatively abundant society all you're gonna get is a bunch of clap emojis from (02:35:36):
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Duncan: a furry right you're not gonna get the real fucking thing and then that thing (02:35:42):
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Duncan: is gonna run ahead first into free speech well. (02:35:46):
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Jason: You know we're gonna have to dig into some dodgy right-wing theories here but (02:35:50):
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Jason: you know the issue, the idea with the communists figured this out in America (02:35:54):
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Jason: in the 50s with people like the Rosenbergs who stole nuclear secrets. (02:36:01):
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Jason: And they realized that exactly what you're saying, you're never going to have (02:36:05):
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Jason: a communist revolution in America because it's against the American DNA. (02:36:10):
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Jason: And people, first of all, don't have class consciousness here. (02:36:14):
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Jason: And America, since the inception of the country, the idea has been (02:36:18):
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Jason: Yourself up by your bootstraps if you're poor it's your fault which is (02:36:23):
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Jason: totally contrary to europe where (02:36:26):
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Jason: when you're born in a class you're stuck there right and you're (02:36:29):
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Jason: often held there by your own class they don't want you to (02:36:32):
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Jason: leave right right and what you see for instance in england very very clearly (02:36:35):
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Jason: but they they realized that the way that they would have to do it was by the (02:36:39):
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Jason: long march through the institutions by infiltrating the culture and turning (02:36:43):
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Jason: people making you know essentially very much preying on the pre-existing, (02:36:48):
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Jason: as the CCP does now, (02:36:53):
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Jason: preying on the pre-existing divisions in America, like race, gender, all of that. (02:36:55):
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Jason: And so hence the cultural Marxism theory. Now, this is a right wing. (02:37:00):
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Jason: So again, caveat, because you hear people talking about cultural Marxism, (02:37:04):
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Jason: including Jordan Peterson. (02:37:08):
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Jason: And what they never tell you is the inception of the original term cultural (02:37:10):
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Jason: Marxism is not what I'm talking about currently, but it's a recension of the (02:37:14):
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Jason: idea of cultural Bolshevism, which was created by Alfred Rosenberg under Hitler. (02:37:18):
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Jason: It was Nazi propaganda. No shit. So this whole cultural Marxist idea, (02:37:24):
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Jason: while it does have some analytic validity, I think, is also a stealth Nazi thing. (02:37:28):
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Jason: So be careful about it because when the Nazis said cultural Bolsheviks, they meant Jews. (02:37:35):
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Jason: And they said that Jews everywhere are like secret fifth columnists for communists. (02:37:42):
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Jason: So this is one of the reasons why people are like, why do you hate Jordan Peterson so much? (02:37:47):
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Jason: I don't hate Jordan Peterson, but it's like, people need to understand that (02:37:50):
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Jason: there are deeper levels of the things that he's pointing out. (02:37:53):
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Duncan: Would you have him on your podcast? I would, absolutely. You guys would have the best conversation. (02:37:56):
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Jason: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I... (02:38:01):
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Jason: Softened on Jordan a bit. I don't think he's malevolent as I used to. (02:38:05):
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Duncan: He's not malevolent. (02:38:08):
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Jason: He's not malevolent. But I think I will say this. (02:38:09):
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Duncan: I'm sure he is. (02:38:11):
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Jason: I'll say this is and I would say this to him too. I try to make it a point if (02:38:13):
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Jason: I'm going to say a critique about somebody to not say anything I wouldn't say to them in person. (02:38:16):
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Jason: Then again, I can be pretty rude in person. But my critique of not current Jordan Peterson, (02:38:21):
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Jason: but like when his book first came out is everything in that 12 Rules for Life (02:38:28):
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Jason: book is like spot on, great advice, particularly that young men need to hear. (02:38:33):
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Jason: I think that he does a lot of, you know, particularly young men feel so alone, (02:38:38):
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Jason: so lost, so adrift, so fatherless. (02:38:42):
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Jason: We're lucky to have him in that regard. He does a lot of good in people's lives. (02:38:45):
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Jason: But you get through 12 Rules for Life and you get through all the stories about, (02:38:49):
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Jason: you know, suffering and all this, and it really gets to you. (02:38:53):
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Jason: And, you know, I would have benefited from that book a lot if I'd read it when I was 25 or 22. (02:38:56):
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Jason: But then about like two thirds of the way through, we get to, (02:39:02):
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Jason: and the people that are responsible for things, and you can blame a certain (02:39:05):
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Jason: group of people for why things are this way. (02:39:10):
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Jason: It's not just a universal condition of suffering. It's the cultural Marxists. (02:39:12):
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Jason: Well, cultural Marxism, this is an idea that's been pushed on the right a long time. (02:39:15):
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Jason: It's been pushed by people like Pat Buchanan, who is extremely right wing. (02:39:20):
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Jason: But if you trace it all the way back, go back and all you have to do to see (02:39:25):
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Jason: this, you can look at the Wikipedia for Alfred Rosenberg, who wrote this really (02:39:28):
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Jason: nutty book called The Myth of the 20th Century, (02:39:32):
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Jason: which was kind of the official dogma of the Nazi Party, where he says he does (02:39:34):
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Jason: the same. He says the exact same argument. (02:39:39):
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Jason: Cultural Bolsheviks are everywhere. And what they meant was Jews and we need to kill them. (02:39:42):
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Jason: And that's just historical fact. It's not my opinion. (02:39:48):
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Jason: That's what happened. And that was part of the Nazi propaganda machine. (02:39:51):
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Jason: And people like Pat Buchanan, (02:39:55):
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Jason: who came out and brought this idea of cultural Marxism, while there is, I think, (02:39:56):
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Jason: descriptive validity to it, and there was a Frankfurt School, (02:40:00):
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Jason: and there is a long march through the institutions, (02:40:03):
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Jason: and I don't think that Marxism is good, and I don't think that communism is (02:40:06):
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Jason: good, and I don't think that having tenured radical professors like Angela Davis, (02:40:10):
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Jason: who was a professor at the school I went to, (02:40:15):
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Jason: is a good idea, or Bill Ayers, (02:40:17):
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Jason: who was a terrorist for the Weather Underground, (02:40:20):
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Jason: or Bernadette Dorn. These people should not be in tenured positions. (02:40:22):
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Jason: At the same time, we have to be careful and look at the other side and say, (02:40:26):
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Jason: the reason the Nazis came to power is they said, we will protect you from the (02:40:30):
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Jason: communists, because they'd had a communist revolution in Bavaria during World War I at the same time. (02:40:34):
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Jason: But basically, what the Nazis said is, communism is coming through Eastern Europe, (02:40:40):
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Jason: They thought Jews had created it, Lenin, I guess, Jewish, you know, Karl Marx, Jewish. (02:40:48):
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Jason: So therefore, all Jewish people in Germany who are some of the most patriotic, (02:40:53):
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Jason: hardworking, productive members of society suddenly get called fifth colonists (02:40:57):
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Jason: for communism and or American capitalism and what happened happened. (02:41:01):
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Jason: So we have to be careful with that. (02:41:05):
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Jason: But at the same time, yeah, but people need to be aware of that. But at the same time, (02:41:07):
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Jason: Critique does have validity in that there was a Marxist, and there still is, (02:41:13):
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Jason: an attempt to infiltrate American culture through, to infiltrate, (02:41:17):
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Jason: to get communism into America through the culture instead of through the old (02:41:22):
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Jason: fighting for inbred lines. (02:41:25):
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Jason: And you get things like, what's Arthur Miller, the air-conditioned nightmare, (02:41:27):
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Jason: all of this art that shows, all this art that shows American life is fundamentally (02:41:32):
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Jason: hollow, points out the contradictions, exacerbations of race conflicts. (02:41:35):
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Jason: A lot of the art that we grew up with, everything that seems to be attacking (02:41:41):
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Jason: the system, it's like, well, (02:41:45):
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Jason: I think about it similarly to, you have to look at the big context where it's (02:41:47):
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Jason: like, for instance, in Germany in the 70s, they had the Badr-Meinhof gang who (02:41:51):
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Jason: seemed to be like cool left-wing Antifa terrorists. (02:41:55):
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Jason: And they're often pointed to as kind of like leftist paragons, (02:41:58):
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Jason: perhaps of leftist extremism, but they were always considered cool. (02:42:03):
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Jason: They had a certain subcultural cachet but no one (02:42:07):
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Jason: ever mentioned that west germany was (02:42:10):
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Jason: next to east germany these were clearly communist agents (02:42:13):
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Jason: from the soviet union blowing shit up in berlin they're not individual actors (02:42:17):
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Jason: they're not just angry students they're not just it's astroturf it's created (02:42:22):
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Jason: by foreign powers well it's not and that's happening here we do that we we do (02:42:29):
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Jason: that in china and they do it here Well, (02:42:34):
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Duncan: I mean, the way I look at it is this. To go back to what we were talking about (02:42:36):
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Duncan: earlier, and I really believe this, not in some kind of stupid messianic way, (02:42:41):
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Duncan: but I think any individual naturally thinks about the betterment of their world, (02:42:44):
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Duncan: the communities around them, and should not be afraid of any data set if that's the intent, right? (02:42:51):
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Duncan: So I think we have all these wonderful data sets out there, Marxism. (02:42:59):
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Duncan: Anarchism buddhism whatever the ism may fucking (02:43:05):
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Duncan: be and not just that but the transmission mechanism of (02:43:08):
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Duncan: these particular data sets particularly the subversive ones are very (02:43:12):
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Duncan: interesting yeah looking at (02:43:14):
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Duncan: if we do let's just look let's (02:43:18):
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Duncan: let's imagine i don't think you're wrong i mean i know (02:43:21):
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Duncan: that there is inevitably like an active (02:43:24):
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Duncan: push to topple capitalism (02:43:27):
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Duncan: because it's seen as a kind of horrific grinding machine (02:43:31):
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Duncan: that you land in the wrong gear and you're out in the fucking streets it (02:43:34):
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Duncan: seemed it's horror it's horror beyond it's incomprehensible (02:43:37):
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Duncan: i'm saying from their perspective it's meaning their their (02:43:41):
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Duncan: attempt to instill communism (02:43:44):
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Duncan: is not what sean (02:43:47):
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Duncan: anity would say it was which is some kind of sociopathic attempt (02:43:50):
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Duncan: to gain power and control people's minds but on the ground operators (02:43:52):
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Duncan: have analyzed the data and if their assessment is we this is not the way we (02:43:56):
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Duncan: should be running things right now this is fucking people up it's completely (02:44:03):
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Duncan: fucked and there's got to be a better way to do this what i mean is there's (02:44:08):
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Duncan: real the real ones have legitimate passion for. (02:44:11):
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Jason: They're absolutely for shock (02:44:15):
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Duncan: Troops for helping oh i see. (02:44:17):
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Jason: What you mean (02:44:19):
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Duncan: Now, the problem, of course, is that the way that they want to induce this better (02:44:19):
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Duncan: world is through deception, aggression, (02:44:27):
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Duncan: violence, and inevitably trickery. (02:44:32):
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Jason: Well, you can see this with student radicals. (02:44:36):
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Jason: It's like, yeah, you should be a radical when you're a student. (02:44:41):
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Jason: That's the time for it. but you see this with student radicals (02:44:44):
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Jason: who get drawn into you know communism social (02:44:47):
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Jason: by any other name and it's never them (02:44:51):
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Jason: there's always like professional adults around who (02:44:53):
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Jason: are essentially like like career activists or you know often i mean there's (02:44:57):
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Jason: basically like child predators right who are going and inciting and because (02:45:00):
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Jason: it's so easy to turn the altruism and the natural altruism and idealism of young (02:45:05):
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Jason: people and their need to look for new ideas now that they left their parents' (02:45:11):
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Jason: house into something that does not serve their interests. Let's put it that way. (02:45:14):
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Duncan: Let me tell you, man, if I was a communist, which I'm not, and I wanted to spread communism- (02:45:19):
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Jason: That is what you would say. (02:45:25):
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Duncan: For all the communists out there, you know what I would do? (02:45:26):
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Duncan: Stop this bullshit, I think you've got a pretty good data set out there. (02:45:31):
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Duncan: I'm not saying that, I'm saying the method of implementing this bullshit is (02:45:38):
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Duncan: not working, but you've got a pretty good data set out there. (02:45:42):
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Duncan: And you've got a lot of quantifiable data out there that I think would be quite convincing. (02:45:45):
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Duncan: Again, let me reiterate, I'm not doing like, I'm not a communist. (02:45:50):
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Duncan: I'm literally not a communist. (02:45:53):
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Duncan: I'm just saying it's fun to think about subversive mechanisms of like- Oh, definitely. (02:45:54):
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Jason: I run a sideline in subversion myself just for other things. (02:46:00):
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Duncan: Let's go deeper into the problem here. (02:46:04):
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Duncan: The problem here is exploitation. The problem is that what we're doing is vampirizing life energy. (02:46:07):
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Duncan: It's a parasitic relationship between the workers and the board, (02:46:18):
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Duncan: between the CEO and the workers, infinite layoffs, And then the CEO gets a bonus (02:46:25):
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Duncan: of a billion dollars or whatever. (02:46:29):
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Duncan: Like you clearly, the data is there. This seems fucked up. (02:46:31):
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Jason: Nobody can get away from the fact that while corporate CEO salaries and stock (02:46:35):
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Jason: market have gone through the roof, wages have remained largely stuck. (02:46:44):
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Jason: There you go. There you go. (02:46:47):
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Duncan: Minimum wage is not going up. Right. So, okay. (02:46:49):
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Duncan: So there's enough data out there. I don't think you need to be tricky with it (02:46:53):
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Duncan: at all. I think you just show that data to people. (02:46:57):
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Duncan: And I think that that might spark something within them that would lead you (02:46:59):
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Duncan: closer to where you want to be. But really, I think ultimately. (02:47:05):
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Duncan: And this is true for any kind of utopian vision. (02:47:11):
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Duncan: Like right now, we've talked about it. You see this all the time. (02:47:15):
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Duncan: It's really interesting to me, too. (02:47:20):
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Duncan: A leftist will post, I will now never own a house. (02:47:21):
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Duncan: I will never have a house, right? So it's interesting. (02:47:28):
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Jason: In a good way or a bad way? (02:47:31):
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Duncan: In a bad way. They want the house. And so what you're seeing there is really (02:47:32):
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Duncan: fascinating in the sense that the value, (02:47:37):
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Duncan: the the story is you need a house then you'll be happy you read some emerson (02:47:41):
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Duncan: read what he has that say about a fucking house. (02:47:47):
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Jason: Well you know emerson's mom paid for him that whole time he was out on that (02:47:49):
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Jason: wave i'm glad and doing his laundry (02:47:52):
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Duncan: I'm glad she did i'm glad thank you yeah. (02:47:54):
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Jason: Yeah same with marks (02:47:58):
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Duncan: Actually because these motherfuckers are funded by their parents does it you (02:47:59):
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Duncan: see it's still you have to look at the data itself the my favorite emerson essay (02:48:02):
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Duncan: about home ownership is he's like when you are jealous over someone for their (02:48:09):
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Duncan: house imagine that house chained to their neck and they're dragging it down the. (02:48:13):
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Jason: Road that's called a mortgage yeah (02:48:18):
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Duncan: Bingo yeah and so the so to (02:48:19):
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Duncan: me like the way if you wanted to do something truly (02:48:22):
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Duncan: disruptive to capitalism or to all (02:48:26):
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Duncan: economic systems that are exploitive on planet earth it's a (02:48:28):
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Duncan: way of articulating true value that isn't (02:48:32):
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Duncan: capitalist propaganda true value i'm saying true value what is true value and (02:48:37):
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Duncan: and and in this work it's really interesting people don't want a house they (02:48:43):
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Duncan: want the feeling of having a house they don't want the nice. (02:48:50):
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Jason: I want an actual house because i want to be able to tell people to fuck off if i want to (02:48:55):
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Duncan: Dude i'm telling you if there was a drug a substance a method of meditation here's. (02:48:59):
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Jason: The thing though the feeling of getting a house has a very strong correlation (02:49:04):
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Jason: the feeling of having a house has a very strong correlation to having a house (02:49:08):
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Duncan: Dude i'm telling you the feeling of having a house is actually the feeling of (02:49:12):
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Duncan: security people want to feel secure and safe in their own world and a lot of but. (02:49:18):
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Jason: Security that they have control over i think security they have (02:49:24):
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Duncan: Control over. This is what we want. We want to feel homeostasis, baby. (02:49:26):
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Duncan: And a lot of the capitalist propaganda, and by that I mean commercials. (02:49:30):
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Jason: Are based on planning the idea. (02:49:36):
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Duncan: Creating desires where there were none. Yeah. Theoretically, (02:49:39):
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Duncan: if people could find a way to feel safe and secure regardless of the, (02:49:43):
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Duncan: material stuff around them i can't do it i'm proposing a thing i can't do. (02:49:53):
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Jason: You will learn nothing and you will be happy no (02:49:58):
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Duncan: Dude that motherfucker that creepy motherfucker when when he said when he. (02:50:01):
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Jason: Said that high lord of saturn or whatever dude (02:50:08):
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Duncan: When he said that i don't think he knew that he (02:50:11):
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Duncan: was actually giving a real instruction (02:50:14):
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Duncan: and how to overthrow the entire system because (02:50:18):
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Duncan: the entire system depends on you believing if you fill in the blank with x whether (02:50:21):
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Duncan: it's a political situation a material situation that's when you're going to (02:50:26):
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Duncan: feel okay i think the whole fucking economy would immediately crash like if (02:50:30):
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Duncan: i could snap my fingers and at a planetary level everyone could feel at peace. (02:50:34):
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Jason: Being happy with being grateful with and being happy with what you have is a (02:50:38):
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Jason: gigantic fuck you to the system (02:50:42):
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Duncan: No one's going to target if they're then you're not. (02:50:44):
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Jason: Because then you're not that's why the thing is one (02:50:47):
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Jason: of the things about meditation is when you get really good at it you don't want (02:50:50):
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Jason: anything else you don't want anything else it's almost dangerous it's kind of (02:50:53):
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Jason: dangerous in a capitalist society because you still got to pay your bill you're (02:50:58):
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Jason: sitting on the mat not giving a fuck you know so but this is why you know the (02:51:00):
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Jason: hardcore meditators in india wander around naked so they don't need anything with a begging bowl (02:51:04):
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Duncan: But and by the way you could still pay your fucking bills but when you it's (02:51:09):
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Duncan: you know this is what you know ramdas would always say like yeah you know you (02:51:13):
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Duncan: can like get enlightened you still need to know your fucking credit card yeah (02:51:18):
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Duncan: yeah yeah so it's like you know this is the balancing place. (02:51:21):
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Jason: But this is and i do want to interject this i think america now is the best (02:51:24):
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Jason: time in world history to do spiritual practice hell yeah it's great period find (02:51:28):
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Duncan: A way no matter. (02:51:34):
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Jason: That that's why i will always support you know one of the reasons why i hate (02:51:35):
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Jason: communism one word tibet look what china did to debate you cannot be spiritual (02:51:40):
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Jason: under communism you can't even be christian under communism they (02:51:46):
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Duncan: Were incinerating monks yeah forget it. (02:51:48):
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Jason: Anybody who's interested in like this like like i (02:51:51):
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Jason: know most people who are interested in alternative spiritual spirituality are (02:51:54):
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Jason: leftists think for two seconds like we (02:51:57):
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Jason: all want to help people we are all compassionate but when (02:52:01):
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Jason: you look at in world historical terms you don't want communism (02:52:03):
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Jason: or fascism because you can't like hitler (02:52:07):
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Jason: despite having like occult he appropriated (02:52:10):
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Jason: occult symbolism he threw all the occultists and freemasons into (02:52:13):
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Jason: concentration camps carl germer carl germer who was the head of the oto was (02:52:16):
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Jason: thrown into a concentration camp and raped by guards in prison so it's like (02:52:21):
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Jason: and and we don't even want to get started with tibet or falun gong in china (02:52:25):
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Jason: where they're harvesting their organs for doing tai chi it's it's insanity (02:52:29):
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Duncan: Yeah listen you know we. (02:52:33):
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Jason: Don't want that this (02:52:36):
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Duncan: Is trump has said this, and I've already said it before we podcast. (02:52:37):
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Jason: Capitalism will at least sell you spirituality. (02:52:41):
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Duncan: Trump has said if you really want to bring harmony into the world, (02:52:44):
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Duncan: Don't worry about whatever your ism is. Bring peace to your family. (02:52:49):
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Duncan: That's the recipe right there. If you can't find a way to bridge the gap in (02:52:55):
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Duncan: your own family or at least have a separate peace in that situation, (02:53:01):
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Duncan: then how the fuck does anything you have to say about the world matter? (02:53:06):
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Duncan: And I don't mean you have to spawn to do this. I'm saying your community, (02:53:14):
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Duncan: your family, those around you, bring peace to the cluster you're in. (02:53:17):
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Duncan: Look at it like this. You are in deep cover, baby. (02:53:23):
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Duncan: You just came to. You're wearing the clothes of a human being in late stage capitalism. (02:53:28):
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Duncan: You find yourself surrounded by other amnesic operators, many of them in deep cover. (02:53:34):
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Duncan: They need you to wake them up, baby. (02:53:41):
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Duncan: Get them awake. And the way you wake them up is not by shaking them awake. (02:53:44):
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Duncan: It's by waking yourself up. And then they see that. (02:53:48):
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Jason: By being an example. (02:53:51):
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Duncan: Hell yeah. And then it naturally, theoretically, theoretically, (02:53:52):
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Duncan: go ahead and do your other shit. (02:53:56):
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Duncan: If you're inside disrupted, terrified, angry, neurotic, freaked out, (02:53:59):
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Duncan: and most importantly, controlled by the system via fear of the system, (02:54:04):
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Duncan: then you are not liberated at all. You are still a vassal. (02:54:09):
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Jason: Of the state. This system is great if you work with it and within its parameters. (02:54:13):
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Jason: There's so much leeway for reconfiguration to your will. (02:54:18):
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Jason: And that, you know, we should start a new political party that's like 80s Republicans, (02:54:22):
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Jason: but it's like it's like strong family values but instead of christianity it's (02:54:26):
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Jason: like and balance your chakras it was like new age family values (02:54:30):
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Duncan: It's well what i mean when people talk about family (02:54:34):
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Duncan: values another co-opted fucking term which is really annoying the only family (02:54:37):
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Duncan: value that matters is love that's it that's it any you could have all the fucking (02:54:42):
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Duncan: values in your one in family but if there's no love there who gives a fuck it's (02:54:48):
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Duncan: like some taking digging up a corpse and marionetting it around yeah and. (02:54:52):
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Jason: Having thought like i would far rather you know (02:54:56):
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Jason: not just far rather with it without hesitation without hesitation i would prefer (02:54:59):
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Jason: to be born in a poor family with people maybe even in dire straits family of (02:55:04):
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Jason: people where i knew people loved me rather than a rich family where i was considered (02:55:09):
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Jason: a possession just like there's no love there you go love nothing will nothing will replace (02:55:14):
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Duncan: Love so that's it to me oh god. (02:55:19):
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Jason: Because you can't it's you won't you you can't live without (02:55:21):
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Duncan: It this is the next step man this is the next (02:55:24):
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Duncan: step for those of you banished in your own self-banished corner (02:55:27):
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Duncan: of the fucking blue sky figure out a way to start loving the people that you (02:55:31):
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Duncan: are currently afraid of and hate and for the people gloating figure out a way (02:55:37):
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Duncan: to love those poor blue sky babies that's the first step and and and and then (02:55:41):
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Duncan: i know i gotta go but i i have to say this. I'm sorry for calling you out. (02:55:46):
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Duncan: I noticed in front of your house, there's not an in this house sign. (02:55:51):
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Duncan: So I should make my own. (02:55:58):
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Jason: In this house. We believe that it is the Aeon of Horus. The Cthulhu is coming back. (02:55:59):
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Jason: We will all die and that our lives are meaningless in an uncaring universe that (02:56:05):
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Jason: we will all die in suffering and agony alone. (02:56:11):
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Jason: There was no point there is no messiah there is nothing but suffering forever (02:56:13):
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Jason: and as soon as you rectify yourself to that at least you'll suffer a little (02:56:18):
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Jason: bit less but you'll still (02:56:21):
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Duncan: Suffer that's a big sign too much too many words you got to break it down into like in. (02:56:22):
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Jason: This house we believe in suffering (02:56:26):
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Duncan: Oh dude i'm telling you for real and i'm sorry that as an idiot stoner i'm even (02:56:29):
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Duncan: giving any kind of advice to how to bring world peace because i'm a dummy and (02:56:36):
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Duncan: i'm neurotic and much of what i say is just I wish I could do this but truly (02:56:40):
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Duncan: the pathway to world peace for those of you somehow still watching, (02:56:44):
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Duncan: If we can get over 50% of the population to put an in this house sign in front (02:56:50):
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Duncan: of their house, there will be world peace. And I'm certain of it. (02:56:55):
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Jason: I saw recently, apparently, that sign has the exact same diction and phrasing (02:56:58):
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Jason: as the Catholic catechism. (02:57:04):
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Jason: We believe in. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. Take it for what it is. (02:57:07):
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Duncan: Dude, you know what? Actually, I would buy like a digital marquee because in (02:57:12):
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Duncan: this house, the things we believe like it changes all the time. (02:57:16):
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Duncan: You know what i mean so i get updated or we no longer believe yeah yeah in this (02:57:19):
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Duncan: house we don't we used to believe science is science now we're not so sure god. (02:57:25):
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Jason: Those signs are (02:57:29):
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Duncan: Obnoxious oh they're the worst they're the hemorrhoids of modernity. (02:57:29):
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Jason: God are people still put those (02:57:33):
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Duncan: Oh yeah baby oh yeah they're out and they're out they're all over the fucking place you know it's. (02:57:34):
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Jason: Like it's like call me crazy but it's almost like people don't like being nagged (02:57:41):
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Duncan: I mean if you have a nag fetish dude. (02:57:44):
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Jason: Unless you have a (02:57:48):
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Duncan: Nag you're in heaven right now you're like in a world where like high heels (02:57:49):
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Duncan: were mandated by the state no comment dude you're the. (02:57:53):
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Jason: Best so are you that was good that was a good that was a good hang that was a good (02:58:01):
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Duncan: Podcast i love it what. (02:58:06):
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Jason: Do you want to leave anyone with any calls to action or anything you want to (02:58:07):
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Jason: tell people about current projects (02:58:11):
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Duncan: I got a podcast dunker trussell family hour you might have heard of it. (02:58:13):
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Jason: Yeah that's it it's pretty pretty good podcast (02:58:17):
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Duncan: That's all. (02:58:19):
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Jason: All right all right are you doing youtube now oh yeah yeah (02:58:20):
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Duncan: Oh real quick and i won't bore you with this but i like i would love for you (02:58:24):
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Duncan: to participate in something called project beast blast, (02:58:30):
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Duncan: here's the synapse synopsis synopsis here's what we're doing and a lot of people are working on this. (02:58:32):
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Duncan: My goal is to get as many subscribers as Mr. Beast. (02:58:40):
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Duncan: This will make me an instant like near billionaire. Now hear me out. (02:58:43):
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Duncan: That's not why I'm doing it. The money means nothing to me. (02:58:47):
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Duncan: I'm doing it because once I get as many subscribers as Mr. (02:58:51):
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Duncan: Beast, and I'm already in negotiations, I have people working in Egypt right (02:58:56):
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Duncan: now. I'm buying the Great Pyramid of Giza. (02:59:00):
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Duncan: I'm going to take the top off. I'm filling it with Mentos in order to dump Diet (02:59:03):
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Duncan: Coke into that motherfucker and blow it up. (02:59:10):
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Duncan: I have physicists who've looked into this for me. The explosion will be insane. (02:59:12):
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Duncan: We're having a music festival. (02:59:17):
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Duncan: There will be Teflon steel nets around because the pyramid bricks could definitely kill people. (02:59:19):
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Duncan: It will be safe, a safe zone. (02:59:25):
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Duncan: If you want to participate in Project Beast Blast, subscribe at Duncan Trussell (02:59:27):
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Duncan: on YouTube, we will take out the Great Pyramid and finally that's not the end of the project. (02:59:32):
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Duncan: The final phase is we are going to do a Jenga competition with the Stonehenge Megalith. (02:59:38):
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Duncan: Me and Mr. Beast. Okay. Whoever wins or whoever loses rather has to delete their YouTube. (02:59:46):
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Duncan: And guess what I have at my house? (02:59:54):
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Duncan: Scale Stonehenge replicas that I've been practicing Jenga on. (02:59:57):
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Duncan: I'm learning how to use an excavator and a crane. (03:00:00):
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Duncan: So I will win and we will defeat Mr. Beast. (03:00:04):
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Jason: Did you know that there's actually a replica of Stonehenge west of Austin? (03:00:07):
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Jason: Is there really? There is. You can go practice there too. (03:00:10):
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Duncan: That is definitely something you would know. (03:00:13):
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Jason: I just saw it (03:00:16):
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Duncan: Randomly because I. (03:00:17):
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Jason: Was looking for places to drive to, but look into it. (03:00:18):
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Jason: Yeah, we should go. We should do a plot video YouTube there. My goal is to be Mr. (03:00:22):
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Jason: Great Beast on YouTube. (03:00:27):
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Duncan: I think you already are. (03:00:29):
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Jason: I got to do more videos, though. (03:00:31):
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Duncan: You're not on YouTube? (03:00:33):
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Jason: This is on YouTube? This is on YouTube, yeah. (03:00:33):
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Jason: People will like this video. (03:00:38):
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Duncan: Dude, you didn't even say the thing. Please like and subscribe. (03:00:39):
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Jason: Like and subscribe. It's like a radio. you should do a shout out to like and (03:00:42):
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Jason: subscribe to my channel please like (03:00:46):
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Duncan: And subscribe to jason louvre's wonderful podcast it manipulates the algorithm (03:00:48):
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Duncan: in our favor and we are actively working together to get rid of all the fucking (03:00:54):
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Duncan: pyramids which theoretically i think are causing most of the problems in the (03:00:59):
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Duncan: world we won't know till we get rid of them but i'm pretty sure you get rid (03:01:02):
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Duncan: of those fucking things and it's you know how you. (03:01:04):
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Jason: Know they're causing the problems because they claim that we don't know how they were made (03:01:06):
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Duncan: Bingo like what bingo that. (03:01:09):
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Jason: Doesn't set off any alarm (03:01:12):
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Duncan: Bells and who fucking cares that's great real estate let's get rid of those (03:01:14):
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Duncan: things i wouldn't want to live can. (03:01:19):
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Jason: We bury mr beast alive in the the great (03:01:20):
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Duncan: Period we're not no listen we're doing no and you can't say that on youtube (03:01:22):
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Duncan: we're doing no violence or anything mr b sends me chocolate. (03:01:25):
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Jason: What i think we should do is invade countries and then give them away to people (03:01:29):
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Jason: on youtube like you can have dominica or you know you can have french guyana (03:01:33):
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Duncan: That's a great that's a great idea wouldn't. (03:01:39):
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Jason: You like French Guyana (03:01:44):
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Duncan: I would I'm sure anybody I. (03:01:46):
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Jason: Think Jonestown happened there so you know they're already (03:01:49):
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Duncan: So it's a great it's already like a tourist destination yeah. (03:01:51):
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Jason: Exactly you two riches await (03:01:54):
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