November 15, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode of To The Outer Limits, we crack open one of the series’ most talked-about remakes: “I, Robot.” This is the 1964 original revisited in 1995, a rare case where The Outer Limits returns to its own past to re-examine a classic moral question—what makes something alive? We break down the performances, the courtroom drama spine, the deviations from Eando Binder’s source material, and how the ’90s revival reframed the debate over artificial intelligence and responsibility. We’ll talk directing choices, tone, budget realities, and how the episode stacks up against both the ’60s version and the later pop-culture takes on robotics and sentience. Whether you first met Adam Link through classic sci-fi magazines, the original series, or this revival, this review digs into why this story refuses to fade—and what it still has to say today.
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To the Outer Limits. John Sutris here, Gabe Hardman here,
Ian Brill here, Jeff Parker here. We're all here to
discuss a sci fi classic that was well adapted twice
on The Outer Limits, both on the sixties version and
the nineties version. And that's Iando bender Otto and his brothers.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's really just auto, is it?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Really?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The brother is too much for I Robot.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I shouldn't say that, but it does seem like maybe
the brother had more to do with that initial story
than later or something, or at least that's all I
read to have to stop you right here, It's it's
not I Robot, It's Rob right episode they say, I
love that, feel like we gotta we gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Stick with it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know that's sort of canonical. There you go, and
uh uh, look you don't look, you don't want to
know what's happening off frame. That's all I'm saying. That's cool,
excellente Manu. No, I'm really excited to talk tonight because
it really is one of my favorite stories.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Sometimes gets uh misrepresented by Isaac Asimov's collection of robot stories.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh don't boo.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I mean because even because admits Auto Bender was first,
and he uh, you know, did a series of robot
let's continue to say a robot for the night.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
As you say, I'm sorry, I'm not the biggest Asmah fan,
even though yeah, truly a great last name.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah uh and the yeah yeah, but a glasses he
had the he had the three laws of robotics, which
have nothing to do with the story, right, Uh, but
characters maybe not so much humans.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That was not his thing.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but uh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I also I'm a super huge h Auto Bender fan. Uh.
He created most of the things in mainstream comics that
I like, Uh, all of the incredible cast of uh
Captain Marvel and Whiz comics like Talkie Tawny and mister Mind,
the little worm with the radio around his neck and
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all the great stuff, all the fun stuff, a superman
like brainiac and the Bottle City of Candor. It's all Bender.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Uh and Supergirl as well, right, Supergirl superheroes absolutely and
no tons of Superman methods came from out o Bender,
no question.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And uh man, sorry I say. Bill Shelley did an
amazing biography of Auto Bender a few years ago that's
still out there from fanographics and people get that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
In the Phantom Zone, the best name ever the guy.
It sucks because every time I try to come up
with the cool names, like and Bender already got to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That, you know, no question, that's great, and I've got
you know, Ian was great. Ian managed to get Oh
there you go. I guess I didn't know that Bender
named Mary Marvel after his daughter. So that's awesome, very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, we can circle around to a sad fact later.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, we've got We've got lots of images from both
the comic adaptation and the pulp story of Yeah, so
but onto the.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Ex Yeah, as far as this episode goes, so, uh,
Ian Brill, what did you think.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Of this episode?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I think they both benefit and also there's some clause
to having it both of them being courtroom dramas. There
is a kind of stamanist but also there's also a
kind of a fun I know fun is the word,
but like a philosophical aspect to the courtroom that I
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you know, to turning everything into not even like a trial.
It's really just like a hearing before a trial can begin.
And the best part in both episodes is that it
really allows the actor who plays Cutler to really go
Howard and Silva in the sixty four version, the more
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returning but now playing Cutler in the nineteen ninety five version.
It's like those performances really make their respective episodes. Makes
up for the fact that I have to say, in
the sixty four version, there's a lot of cool robots
in the sixties. I don't think this was.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh, you're definitely correct that this is not a cool robot.
I think it's a terrible design. Like I really but
I'm not sure. I mean the nineties one also looks terrible. No, no, no, no,
this is you.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Can see the guys in the you can see the
human's eyes there in the mask.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, we're in a jacket.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
He looks like he's a duck man or something like
the shape of his face is just like like we
we had this. That's that's an intermediate design. Idea that
that you know, that they accidentally picked.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And the original uncomfortable. The first one's more robot like
because it doesn't show muscles it right, Yeah, and it
was painful for the actor, right, and that I want,
That's what I want out of a well.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's also it's also held together by visible gaffers tape,
so that's that's a plus.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, and lots of yeah, yeah, lots of expanding yes.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Uh, but I think, like I'm not I'm not a
fan of that of the thing though, Like I feel
like there's the just I mean, maybe it's unfair, but
I feel like there's a kind of distinctive uh you know,
uh projects unlimited look to to a lot of the
stuff from the Outer Limits that that I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They built this as well, but it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Doesn't look like it doesn't have that kind of unique look.
I feel like this could be from anything, you know,
it doesn't it doesn't feel like that that particular outer
limits type of look.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Would you rather look like the old pulp uh cover paintings.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, with the with the little tiny legs and a
box in the middle, right, like or something like that,
you know, like I well, yeah, I mean those are
probably this is like, this is what.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Iby R two D two hilarious.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I mean, as we know canonically they have had a baby.
But the like, I think that the the thing that yeah,
obviously the reason they couldn't do that is because of
the practical effects aspect, the fact that you have to
have a guy in the suit that said, I would
have loved it if he was a fucking like Marrionette
guy that they somehow comped in and he looked you know,
and he was very non human looking, but that's none
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of this is really the issue. Like he can look dumb.
It doesn't matter, like it's it's the question is whether.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The story works or not.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Uh, And I'm of the opinion that it almost it's
it's a good idea and it you know, and it
maybe should work a little better than it does. I
think that some of the ideas that we have in
our head about what what it's about about the you know,
about wrestling with these ideas of you know, uh, like
you know, the mind body disconnect and the you know
and things that that are relatable you make you know,
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take a robot and make that something that you can
relate to humans and questions whatever, morally all that, I
think those are a little bit more in our heads
and the idea and we're going in with that idea
more than the than the episode is really making, you know,
good thought full points with I don't know, that's my feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I I always you know, give these things allowances for
the air in which they were created. I think I
think it. I think it's an effective courtroom drama. And
and yeah, I agree with you, Gabe. I mean I
I do think the idea is presented at the beginning
to Howard to Silva's character and his own thoughts on
it are much more high minded than the actual execution
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of the courtroom scene. And yeah, please get simplistic again,
it's that time.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Think but I just wanted just to speak to that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I think that reading the short story, or at least
I didn't read the trial short story. I just read
the first Like the first short story is basically him coming.
It's for all first person, and it's from the robot's
point of view. Oh, I want him to look like
that like in the in the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That illustration right there. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, but yes, I yeah, exactly it's mostly about his book.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But the like, I think that the.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In the short story, the it's all from his point
of view. It's a first person narrative from from Adamlink's
point of view, and I think that that kind of
is more sophisticated, Like it is kind of bringing suggesting
these ideas in ways that you know, and that's nineteen
thirty nine. I don't think they have a huge excuse
for not being able to take the ideas that we're
in the short stories and kind of and and execute
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them a little better, except that, you know, the you know,
the guy who adapted it is a little hacky. But
at the same time, it's not I'm not seeing the
episodes bad. I think that it's you know, I think
it's a fun episode, but I just don't think that.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It quite paid off what it's teeing up at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, well there aren't they all essentially they're trying
to kind of get a little bit of inherent.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
The wind absolutely, no question, no question, you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Know, the Scopes monkey trial. But yes, Tracy, but they
only have so much time and they're working with the robot. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But that's what I love about this that it is
not only it's just a lawyer. Yeah, well, it's it's
inherent the wind. It's of course at the beginning Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I did not care for that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That little girl was the worst. Yeah, yeah, little.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So it's like also in the script for this, it's
like she falls back, she falls in the water. It's
driven out of whatever end she like they clearly like
blocked up a stream just enough that she could land
in like an inch of water.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I mean, she did not need saving.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
He broke my arm.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, it actually would be like that.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's the more like the if you if you approached
it like, oh, he doesn't even understand that she doesn't
need saving, then that would be like a more interesting
little conflict than she fell in two inches of water,
and then the robots like, oh I got to save
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well and again as goofy, as the robot looked, I
think the voice was effective. It was neutral, but yeah,
there was a hint of sentiment or you know, real concern.
And again that's kind of why I mean again, I
love how it's evocative of Frankenstein and there at the wind,
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and then of course later and it always comes back
to Star Trek is so important to things like the
measure of the man right Next Generation episode with Davis Try.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, I hate to say that about a second season
star Trek the Next Generation episode, but it actually did
a better job of talking about stuff than this.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean, you know, I mean writing and writing and
dialogue evolved. I mean it gets you know, it gets better, and.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes and no, But nineteen thirty nine had the short
story in the first place, is more thoughtful and more
and certainly reads more contemporary than you know than this
TV show from from many years later.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So that's very true. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, I I like, there, there's you know, there's
cool stuff in it. There is you know, the the there's.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
A lot of potential in it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's fun, uh you know the it's not it's not
the kind of slog that a lot of the other
episodes from the second.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, that's what I's gonna say. Literally, this and Soldier
and Demon with the Glass Hand, these are the exceptional
second season episodes that merit examining the second season and saying,
despite all the failings of it and lack of budget
and lack of direction and caring that appears in the
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second season. This is one of the exceptions where like, no,
they they kind of anile it with this when I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Think, yeah, although I will say that I think that
oh bit from the first season, which is also kind
of a courtroom drama of sorts, is doing it on
a different like this is just inherit. The wind put
a robot in, you know, it's not us. It's like
and I don't I don't think that that's that. It's
let you know, leveling up into a weird area the way.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, enough of that, still ship.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
One of the things that I can't understand about it
is is his hair, right, Like he's got this wolverine
hair thing going on like that that like every I
get completely distracted by that every time he's on camera.
And then I think, so he went to court and
thought that's how I'm going to deliberately style my hair,
you know, like earlier it's just laying down. He's just
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goofy looking, right, he just looks disheveled in court. He's like, no,
I got to make it into little wolverine points and
that that's gonna that's really gonna impress the jury.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, that's the thing to get across with the cutler
and both of them is he's he's had it with
the legal system. He doesn't want any part of it,
but he can't resist this case. And the cast in
the sixties Win is just great. I think they're terrific.
I think, uh, the lead actress is really good. Nimoy
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is great in both.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Although he's actually way better in the nineties one, I think.
I mean, you know, he's a seasoned actor and it's
a meteor part, you know. But but yeah, he's always great.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I love him. He's a little he's a little miscast
or probably based on based on our own, uh experiences
with mister Spock for three seasons retroactively looking at this performance,
he's trying to be you know, Joe gene Kelly and
inherit the Wynn very cavalier and then kind of a
cynic and a little, you know, a little a little
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bit of a Wise. There's a great post of him
being a Wise and I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I don't know if it's exactly miscast, I feel like
it's I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think it's also.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Just it just shows the speed that they went and
how little care they were able to take with the
performances and stuff, because I mean I think that he
probably just could have. You know, every bit of it
feels like a first take, you know, just doesn't feel
like anybody is able to kind of get into these
parts at all.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, and despite despite d Silva's hair, which is a
big issue, it is a big important and it isn't
an interesting you know, And I don't know how much
we've talked about it on the show, but certainly behind
the scenes in our post show off the air conversations,
we've talked about da Silva and Shatner doing that series
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for the People, and Da Silva plays the senior district
attorney and Shatner works for him. And there's a synergy
between this character and the Silver's character on that where
he is kind of more ambivalent in terms of well whatever,
you know, it's the systems, the system. And actually this
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is almost like even though it comes before for the People. Yeah,
the Silver's character is kind of fed up with the system,
with humanity. That's why he's off fishing. And uh it
takes uh. I forget her name right now, and I'll
look it up.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But Maria Hill, Yeah, I literally run.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm sorry and go ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
She has cool roles in both the Sixties Star Trek
and Batman, so.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
She's yeah like Sixties.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, she's in the Dagger of the Mind right episode,
Yeah with Inspector Luger is the bad guy h James Gregory.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, with the Mind Ray that like yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They also from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Yes,
I'm a dead oman, yeah absolutely, but uh Maryanne she
uh it's ironic literally this morning, uh me TV has
spawned a new channel, Me TV Plus, and I am
and I know that these are terrible compared to the originals,
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but I am fascinated by the trajectory of the Andy
Griffith Show, from the classic Barney Fife to the color
episodes to Mary Mayberry r f D.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's that's a whole other show man. Oh yeah, if
you do that, because I've got Andy Griffith opinions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
All right, well, but yeah Maybury podcast coming, Uh yeah,
a long long podcast, I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You could literally go a year Monday through Friday and
not reach a rerun of Andy Griffith because it ran
for eight seasons if you include the color episodes, and uh,
but on Mayberry r F d which Ken Barry. Obviously,
he is the lead character in that. Marianne plays one
of Irene Golanka.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love that name.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Millie's Millie's girlfriends who became a New York model, and
she breaks up with somebody and comes back to Maybury
and she kind of falls for Sam, and Milly is
afraid that Sam is falling for her as well, because
she's this beautiful I mean still like yeah, I mean
you could tell and again on all of our episodes.
She's a lovely woman. Uh And yeah, I mean I think,
I lean Golanka is pretty hot too. But yeah, it's
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like I can understand that if I were Sam, I'd
be paying attention to Marianna a lot more than Golanka.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
This particular digression.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, we got really lost in Maybury. You'll forgive me
that I had happened to see her recently. But no,
back to the story. No, I mean, I think it's
a very strong supporting cast. And again I can get
to their names, but like, you know, this guy's in
a million things, the uh district attorney that's going up
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against Howard de Silva, and I think quite effective in
his role.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Well, John, pretty decent John yeah, he was. Of course
he was the brow Shield and now he's a he
gets to be a guy.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, where the hell is he? I thought I
uploaded his picture.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I guess he's our probably our third star trek actor,
right because he was in the cage.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah right, he's doctor Doctor Boyce, the original doctor of
the Enterprise. Absolutely with Captain Pike.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I like the way in both versions of this the
judge just rolls with the fact that, all right, we've
got a robot in here.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, do you have to like our robots not are
somewhat more advanced or more common when this takes place,
because people do are not as amazing not shocked by him.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, I think that it's more at not being super
thoughtful and critical in the screen writing, like I mean,
I think I don't think it's meant to be the
robots and more common. I think there's a lot in
this that you know, when the uh, the Garter or
whatever the fuck he is who comes in and finds uh, yeah, man,
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guy when he comes in, like he walks in, goes huh,
I gos dead over there underneath the robot like and
then walks right over and stands next to him, like
nothing's gonna happen. Then it takes like minutes for the
like to rub a couple of brain cells together and
figure out that, like, oh wait, I should be scared
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of this murderous robot and then back away like that's
not that's that's that's not even in the writing. That's
just not thoughtful directing. You know, he should be coming
in and reacting and the dynamics should be the.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Thing the whole time. It's not even really the on
the page. It's just not considered very well.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I would like to see what would have how this
would have played out if they had just rented the
Robbie suit and let that be Adam Link. I wish. Yeah,
everybody keeps, everybody keeps trying to give him a sort
of human eyes or whatever, and every it's funny everything
connected with the words I robot has a terrible looking robot.
It's like, you know, the Will Smith movie obviously is
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the ugliest looking and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Ye oh yeah, I was gonna that's I.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Was even worse than both of these combined.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I have no images from that horrible movie. I hate
that movie with a passion. It's so insultingly stupid. I
never saw.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It infuriates me.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And in fact, they I did an episode of Profits
of Science Fiction on the Discovery Channel and they they
really leaned on Asimov's collection of stories more so than
Bendo's story footage. They had footage from the Will Smith movie,
which really is kind of a bastardization of the Bender
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story more so. Yeah, but this was.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
This is pretty much our uh let I am legend. Yes,
for science fiction. You're never going to get a version
that's true to what the original thing was, but they'll
keep remaking it with their own somebody's always got their
own twist.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It's interesting that you mentioned the Robbie of the Robot
because it was I'm assuming that was MGM property.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This was at this point Robbie had turned up on
Lost in Space.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So yeah, I think and a couple of times I
think it rentable prop, you know, somebody owned.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, And of course, because we always have to mention it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Colombo later sure, of course, of course, directed by Spielberg
and starring oh god, uh that great actor who played Serrano.
God damn it. I can't think of his name right now,
son of a bitch, great great forties actor. He's the
he's the ironically, in another courtroom movie, he's the defense
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attorney for the king mutiny. Oh, Jose Jo, I feel Miguel. Yeah,
that's right, Miguel, that's your reference. It's Miguel Ferreir's dad. Yeh.
For for people out there, absolutely it's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Not from Lawrence of Arabia, but Miguel's dad.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, look, we always talk about fucking comics and Miguel.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Always come up.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
He would have been a good voice for Adam.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, and like you know, yeah, and then he he
played Albert Rosenfeld in Twin Peaks, who I modeled myself on.
Like that that character is incredibly important to me. So
like that's that's why.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I bring it up. There you go.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But uh, yeah, no talking about the voice, uh the
uh I do feel like well, I mean, I guess
we'll get to the nineties one. I don't know if
it's kind of hard to not talk about both of them.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But this is interesting that cor points out that I
didn't know that Harlan Nelson had a script for Our
Robot that was supposed to be directed by Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's kind of counting Umbrell to have read that I have.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Seen it in bookstores. I never read it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Well also, and I don't I don't want to be
that guy. But it's Irvin Kershner, not Irvin.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Sorry one and either either Gikuro or someone else had
said Howard lutevil is supposed to do du Silva. But
you're right, Chikuro. The nineties one was indeed directed by
Adam Niewoy uh Leonards Sun and you know it's I
only have the one image from you know, the little
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money shot of him and the robot robot, but you
know it's a I thought.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
There's music larring during parts of the courtroom scene, and
why why is this happening?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Just awful nineties music bed sort of shit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Like I I thought it was generally fairly effective. I thought,
you know, I think uh larring Nemo is great. I
think he's really good in it, and you know, and like,
uh he but I do think that there's you know,
some of the things that they did to try to
give it more twists and turns and make it, you know,
(26:31):
just ultimately made it a little bit more convoluted and
a little bit less telling the story. I mean where
uh you know, approaching it that Adam really did kill him,
but it was because he was you know, like some
sort of protocols were turned off or something, and to
try to make him into a military application.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I just felt like that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's that's like, it just feels like it's a kind
of hat on a hat.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You know. It's it's a little too much.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It doesn't need it as much as as as it
would be better to just focus on the kind of
moral and ethical quandary of it than giving this kind
of built in mechanical pardon upon mechanical plot.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Excuse you know, I don't know, That's what I felt
about it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It also seemed kind of weird to buy the fact
that Adam and doctor Link had this familiar relationship and
with who's essentially his sister. But then he's like, I.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Got paid, so I know, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah,
it didn't ring true, especially since we don't you know,
we don't really see that relationship anymore than that. And
it's not it's not dealt with in the it's not
like we have some revelation that would make it make
sense that he would sell it sell out that way.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's it just it didn't quite gel.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But I thought Nemi was great I thought in a way,
the ending was a little bit better with saving the
the prosecutor, you know, because she's the little wouldn't it
be great if that was the little girl, But uh,
if the little girl was of the prosecutor, then that
that would have made a much more interesting guys.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, but you get to say, I do appreciate there's
nothing worse than that accusing point he broke my arm.
But uh, and the and the and the gap, the uh,
the the whole bearing down truck thing or whatever, and
Nimoy yells and and all that, and then Adam goes
(28:28):
and gets busted up the same way. That was kind
of it was a fun callback. But then they did
even though I I also don't like the military storyline,
they do at least kind of blame it on the
way they focus back on the military guy, like he's
the reason the truck got put in motion and everything
(28:48):
to destroy the robot.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I didn't mind that. I thought that that was
not good.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I think there were some there was some stuff that
was a little bit better about the way the nineties
one worked, and then some stuff that kind of felt like,
all right, you went, it was a little too much
it's trying a little too hard, and the.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Daughter is not nearly as good.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The actress is very local, higher feeling.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, these outer limits you will. For me, at least
I zero in on those Canadian day players and they
stand out like explicitly in America. It's in Washington, DC. Yeah,
when people have Canadian accents. I'm going bananas.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
War with with Canadian science fiction because I always appreciate
how much science fiction is produced in Canada and that
they make the effort to really explore the genre by
the same token. No, it is, it is a slightly
lesser product in terms of at least from an American
perspective of acting and production and everything, and just some
(29:52):
unfortunately leaning on you know, what's the era and I mean,
you know.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, but I mean there there are loads of great
Canadian actress. I mean they shot, you know, most of
the X File series up in Canada, and you know,
and it's like, that's not my favorite show in the world,
but it's a well produced show with good actors and
you know, a good cast, and like it's like and
not from that different of time, right, it's about the
same time.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Really they spent the first one in Saint Louis uh
or the whole Midwest vibe and everything. Even though you
get clear shots that you know that one it's down,
it's it's the la every it's you think it's gonna
be Dragnet for a second, and then and then and
(30:37):
then you get a shot of the mountains and you go, well,
stop showing l A if you want me to believe
this is Saint Louis. St.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Louis absolutely well. And I mean also that attitude, and
that's why I agree with the guys where robots are coming.
It's old Doc Link. It's old Doc Link and everything
in its quacky adventures. You know that kind of thing. Yeah,
you know that kind of West folks see almost mayberrys
now now Doc Lenk, Yeah, you won't be doing that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I gotta stop Doc Leg from his robot stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I guess well, they get back to One of my
favorite hallmarks of the series is the home lab.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I love when there's a home lab. I'm sorry that
it's not a great shot of the lab being she
just pops down wherever.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ye good gams. Let me tell you, I'm a big fan.
Can't help that's pretty misogynous.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Thank you. I know, I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
He was he was talking about Adam l Right, yeah,
look at him, man, I'll tell you I'd like to
see him in a rocket chorus line.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
No question. I can't do high kicks.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There's I think that maybe some of the uh you
know that we are like we we would have benefited
in the sixties episode from maybe a little less flashback
and a little bit more like content drama, even if.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's like a baby.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, look, I I'm never against a robot crawling around
on the floor, but in this instance, I just felt
like it, you know, that was a.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Little that was a little disturbing. It is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It was uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah. Also, why did doctor put the big heavy generator
up on the wall?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't know, Yeah, so it could fall in his head.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's a yeah, it's it's it's a classic three Stooges
bit where you store the bowling balls on the top hill.
Why why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But also I guess yeah, also the there's a scene
with the housekeeper who's in there and comes and you know, uh,
sweeps around his feet and then the foot moves and
then she basically just looks straight into camera for a
comedy take that felt me be not the greatest, you know,
very una O'Connor or something, you know, very very uh,
(33:05):
you know a little much, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I love that both times they stick with the whole. Hey,
let's see if we can make the robot go berserk
here in the courtroom. Yeah, what could that's go on?
When you go wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Like I watched this twice. The first time I watched it,
I I don't know. I got distracted a little bit
right before that part, and I thought, oh shit, he
just goes nuts at one point, and like you know,
and and they can't, you know, they can't deal with
him and whatever, and I thought, oh, that's kind of
an interesting development, and then I realized, No, it was
just this kind of like I don't, I can It's
(33:42):
so hard to go along with that kind of stuff
where it's like making these ridiculously broad assumptions about well,
you know, if you you know, if you if you're
stuck a fork in his battery, would he go insane?
Let's find out, you know, like I don't, I don't.
That's such an obsord reach And the fact that they
(34:03):
their premise is, oh, maybe he'll freak out and then
he does.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is not great, right, agreed, no question. I'm looking at
the cast and uh, you know, let's see here. So yeah,
Maryanna Hill of course, Nina Link uh Ford Rainey is
the district attorney and uh again a very familiar face
for a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And we mentioned John Hoyt. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The other the other actors really don't Uh, they're not
memorable as far as other roles.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
That I okay, but I I do know a memorable
thing about the guy who plays the uh the like handyman.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Please discover who discovers him because I don't please.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, apparently in h in the mid two thousands, after
he had retired from acting and he's living up in
Seami Valley.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Uh, he got into.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
An argument with a with a couple of guys or
a guy at a bar, got super pissed off, drove
his his v W bus back home, got a gun,
came back to the bar, shot the guy dead in
the bar and uh and then another guy was in
the bar as well, and he turned it, turned the
gun and shot that guy too.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That guy lived, but.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
This actor is still doing time yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
So that wasn't when got killed, was it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But no, no sal Mini, no Salmonio got killed a
lot earlier than two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What about the guy who played Alfalfa didn't he also
get shot this way?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Alfalfa guy was yeah he that was apparently a disagreement
over a dog.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But uh the but.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The but yeah, this was This guy is just a
fucking murderer who just went you know, and he literally
shot the guy in the back in the bar.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
What this guy?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And I hate this guy. I worse than a little girl.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now, yeah, I know he's I mean, he's large worse
than that little girl.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I guess while we're on this subject, I should bring
up this sad Auto Bender fact, please, because I could
not think of it watching this that there's a whole
scene where a little girl's about to get run over
by a truck and the robot stops at The central
thing that derailed Auto Bender's life and career was his
(36:23):
daughter got ran over by a car. Oh no, and
actually not just in the street. The car literally jumped
the curb she was walking home from school and killed her.
And obviously this just completely wrecked him and everything, And
it's just such a weird thing that you know, as
(36:44):
I'm watching this that that's part of the story, right,
it happens years a few years before you know that
actually happened, And I feel like when there's a weird
moment like that, I don't know, I have to bin
it out.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's uh yeah, well, I mean, but was this part
you know, I didn't read the trial short story, so like,
was that part of it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
That was for the show?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, that's what I thought, because there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Because Adam goes on to have many more yeah, amazing stories.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, and apparently he like fights off an alien invasion,
has like a wife called Eve.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Or something, and you know, yeah, the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, very private Eye. I think we skipped over that
part because that's that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, I look if this honestly, like if this show
was about Adam Lake Private Eye, I think I.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Would be more on board. Hell yeah, like that sounds
like a lot of fun. Look, he's got a companion
in this cover.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well that's the whole thing, like he you know, in
the original short story, it's yeah, in the original short story,
he the dog is a big part of it because
like he uh, he kind of uh the dog, you know,
one of his first kind of conscious acts is the
dog like jumps on him and he grabs the dog.
The dog squeals, and he instantly lets go of the dog,
(38:13):
you know, because he's kind of learned this behavior from uh,
you know, from watching the Doctor and learned and and
but has a kind of instantaneous compassionate response about about
not hurting the dog, so like, uh, which is kind
of the I mean, then there is a further scene
in it with saving a little girl from the stream.
But but the so maybe they need to do both
(38:35):
of us things.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
But then the dog is kind of very loyal to him,
and then uh, then the.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Uh, the dog like gets killed when he's on the
run and it's killed by the people who are chasing it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Wait, so, Adam Link is the original John Wick? Is
what you're saying? Yeah, well, it should not be that wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
It should have gone that way like if if he
if if the following story was him tracking down and
murdering the ship out of those people over the dog,
I would be very enthusiastic about that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Now, what a great series. And you just reminded me
since you bring up the fact that he fights off
an alien invasion. He's essentially a kind of four runner
of Colossus. The Foreban Project. Yeah yeah, I don't know
who else is a big fan of that. Here in
the wares I can help you.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
We mentioned alley near where I grew up. That that
is filmed at Moore Park College near Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I just saw Eric Brayden his oral history interview with
the Television Academy talk about classes that it was really great.
It was really really great.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
About the apes.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely, he does.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
He did. And also of course the rat patrol my
favorite World War two right.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, it's awful. The machine gun that's all you need?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That was the big star really always in.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
The back of a g Yeah. Yeah, you have to
have Eric Braden looking at the painting. Now we're looking
at the painting of painting painting as he explains the
concept of infinity to us in time and everything. But uh, oh,
I guess this also gets us to another popular subject
that occasionally comes up. James Cameron. Apparently, when he cast
(40:28):
Braiden in Titanic, uh went up to him and nerded
out on him, which Braiden didn't realize what he was doing,
because he he says like his last little part that
doctor Forben yells his defiant thing. And I think Eric
(40:48):
Braden didn't know what he was doing. He's clearly Cameron
loved the Foreben project. And uh, I mean for people
who don't know, Colossus is a supercomputer created by the
United States that is to counter a supercomputer the Russians
(41:09):
are created, called Guardian. Uh so kind of cold war
is playing out between these computers of controlling things. Ours wins,
but then Ours decides we're also not capable of running
the planet either, and just takes over the world. And
so it's all about it's what age of Ultron should
(41:31):
have been, sorry, and uh and it goes on. They
finally managed to shut Colossus down, but in another book
they find out Aliens are coming to invade and they
have to turn Colossus back on because he's the only
one who can possibly beat the aliens. And that is
the kind of thing I love.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So, you know, I thought the movie ends with Colossus
not being able to be shut down, that he does
take over the world. I thought it had a more
apocalyptic ending.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh yeah, the moo in the movie, he can't be
shut down. He just wins.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kinda and it's kind
of because it was nineteen seventy or whatever. You right, right,
he's in the air of soilent green and and beneath
the Planet of the Apes and.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Good stretch for four or five years. We just lost Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Can you imagine going to the drive in for these
movies that Gould has said that about beneath the Planet
of the Apes and co and the world does just
you know, once there was a green planet that orbited
it in some significant star.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
It's now dead.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And then they play the credits with like no music,
and it's like, all right, yeah, great Roy watching emerge,
Robinson kill himself and stuff.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
You know, you explain the Vietnam War and like the
effect it had on American culture. I would just show
the last like three minutes of from a G rated movie.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yes, after that.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Look, they didn't rate they didn't rate A for Nihilism,
so you yeah, that's true. Uh. Gicoro points out that
Robert sorel So apparently died. Yeah, and uh, i'd forgotten.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
He played Casey in The Mighty Casey Twilight Zone episode
yeah that was the Baseball I can't stand that episode,
but yes, yes, that's true. It's got Jack Orton in it.
Other than that, yeah, it doesn't have to a.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Better rob episode of want to give him a robic wife?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, the Lonely Yeah yeah, yeah, so much.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that has a lot of great solid
Jack Wardon and it's it's it's yeah, it's really good.
Uh it's robot baseball. Too many things, too many things
like you can have a robot or you can something.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Didn't need Warren Baby, he was great all by himself.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Oh yeah, he was always great, always great. Yeah. Yeah,
every time the Twilight's done tried to do comedy it failed.
There really isn't a good comedic Twilight Zone episode that
I can think. No, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
It's it's always one of those the devil has signed
you to a contract, but he missed something. And even
though he's the devil, he's like, I'm ship you got
me on this one because it's right here. He honors contracts,
that's his thing.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah yeah, but all right, so yeah, there you go.
I think we've we've talked out all of I robot
and uh, you know, it was again it's a I
think a reasonable adaptation.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Okay, but as a kid, you do you remember watching
it as a kid? Were you sad when Adam got
ran over?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well again I bought the whole sentiment, and no, if
you feel bad for this robot as much as.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
You do when you get a little older. With Frankenstein,
the are are and young Frankenstein when he sits on
the sea saw and the little girl goes flying up
through the window. I like the Libra.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Libra wants to point out I never laughed at for
Burgess Merediths glasses at time at last.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That's not fair. It's not fair, Steve laughs, and everybody
with really thick coke model.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Glasses that relate absolutely. That's that does.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Bring up a point where I'm going through a lot
of Twilight Zone episodes kind of to help going through
the second season of Attle limits a lot of Twilight
Zone episodes. The twists, they're like jokes, but they're taken seriously,
like to certain man, like that's yeah, well seriously, yep.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Isn't that But isn't that kind of what twists are
at the end of you know, short term, they're just
it's a it's the punchline. But yeah, take it seriously, right,
I mean, but not diminishing your point. That's definitely correct. Like,
you know, you could you could just recast as a comedy.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Why am I blanking? And the giant that played to
serve man's name? It's not Richard Kee, No, it's it
is Richard Kee. It's not Ted Cassidy. Yeah, right, was Richard?
You're right?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Ted Cassidy is in the Star Trek episode Rock Rock Yes,
the Old Ones, Yes, the Big Yes, and he always at.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Some point, right, what's that Those two guys they must
have met at some point man role.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm betting there was some professional rivalry there. Like I
remember reading an interview with Michael Anderson, the the the
little person from Twin Peaks, and him talking him very
bitterly talking about about other other little people getting roles
when they didn't deserve them and he should have gotten them, Like,
(46:57):
uh so I think that they're just you know, you
get in the business, you get like put in this box,
and then there's these limited number of roles, and and
so obviously.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Is going to get most of them.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yes, Now are the lollipop killed kid that survived the
eyes veteran that like Jerry whatever his name was, to
live forever.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, I mean it's like not. I mean I think
that that Michael Anderson, Maybe you have some real serious
a few problems.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
A good time and when I say good time, I
mean bad time. Take a deep dive on Michael Anderson's
Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
He's uh there, he's He accuses a lot of people
of murder. He like, there's there's there's not. It's not
a good thing. There's a reason he didn't come back.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
That's the thing. I'm like a lot of people, almost
everybody came back to the return. Michael Anderson, this iconic actor,
did not. I, with all the innocence in the world,
I googled why is Michael Anderson twin Peaks of Return?
And I got more than I bowed.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
The Yeah, there's stuff that I don't even want to
talk about about why he says that real.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Much regarding another little person, Billy Barty ironically rude to Lee,
one of those old Hollywood starlets from the fifties and sixties,
was just she has a new book out, a collection
of Hollywood stories, and I just heard her on Gilbert
Gottfried's podcast, and she went on about how we take
(48:28):
Billy Barty for granted and she did a production of
Irma Luduce with Billy Barty, I'm assuming in the Jack
Lemon role, and how brilliant he was, and that you know,
he should have gotten more opportunities beyond just being a
little person and running around and stuff. All right, good,
get on that note, rutally exactly, honestly great stories, very
(48:52):
interesting stories I want to buy. I must say, she's
quite a storyteller, and that makes me want to buy
the book that in. Uh God, I see Gabe kaplan
or here Gabe kaplan On. I've listened to a little
bit of it. I haven't finished it. And I and
I submitted a question of Gilbert's podcast for when they
talked to Gabe. I don't know if I don't know
(49:12):
if they'll use it or not, but I was, well,
what what is it? Maybe we can answer it for you. Well,
I just wanted to about his basketball movie Fast Break,
okay the seventies, and so I was. And also I
really want them to go into detail of that amazing
fifty yard dash he did with the Battle of the
Network Stars with Robert Conray right right, because apparently there's
(49:35):
a you know, and I'm a member of SAG. I
guess it's in the SAG magazine that he wrote an
essay about trying to make amends with Conrad, because Conrad
really took the loss very personally.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
He was pissed.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, yeah, it felt like he kind of suckered him
into the race. And it's like that is honestly the
most pitiful, fact fantastic watch, but oh.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
God, Kaplan just totally he's he starts out behind him
and then he walks him down.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's beautiful, and he's got that giant, you know, afro
of the seventies and it's like a comet with his afros,
like a comet tale.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Just when he's sprinting.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's fantastic, but also just a whole lead up to
it where Conrad's like, they cheated, they cheated, and that
we should have a race, and then Telly Savales because
it's all that CBS and NB or ABENC and NBC
and all of a sudden, Telly savellas CBS is captain
in a warm up suit smoking a cigarette is completely unfair.
(50:40):
We should also be in this race and it's so fantastic.
Well tell you some ballas obviously throwing a little oil
into the ointment with this question, Oh cracking, it's so good.
You got to watch it, everybody.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Can I say one other thing about I robot the
No it's something that like, I, uh, that is not
really out.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Enough to bring up, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
The lear Nimoy in in the original one talks about
like he has this whole aside about a boxer that
he saw and he goes, yes, this sort of boxing
digression right. Well, in like every early thing I've seen,
let pre star Trek thing thing I've seen Letter Nimoy,
and it has something to do with boxing. Like he's
(51:22):
in a in a Stony Burke episode he plays a boxer.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
He's in that movie.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Uh you know, uh, what's it called, h you know,
Bang Bang Mulrooney or something. It's not that it's uh,
it's like, uh, it's some kind of boxing movie as
well where he plays boxing. I feel like there's a
weird connection between early Letter Nimoy and boxing that always
comes up. I have no idea why. I'm sure it's
(51:48):
all a coincidence, but like it's not This is not
a good observation about this episode, but I still brought
it up because of the sports.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Well and and you know, you got to realize back
in the fifties and ys, boxing was a mainstay of
television and very much in the zeitgeist as any of
the four major sports. In fact, I would say more
so than basketball as far as the four major sports.
But yeah, boxing was on every week in the fifties
and sixties.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, that gets you back to Rod Shirling and Requiem
for a Heavyway.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, totally sorry. That movie was called Kid Monk Baroni.
That movie, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
And that Stony Birk episode.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'd like to watch that I'm being a boxer.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
That's great, Like he does not seem like, oh, he's
obviously a boxer, right like this does he was a boxer.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
No, I was. I was listening to one of the
Trexperts commentaries on the Apple episode with David Goodman as
the I Guess commentator, and they were discussing the fact
that Nimoy doesn't have, you know, a strong man physique
and that he's more wiry uh than you know. But again,
if you go to the lower way classes, I could
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see lenin nays in middle wait sure, all right, well good?
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Uh so I think that we've solved this, right I
robot letter n boy middle wait, no question.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The faces of meme way everybody there.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
You'll enjoy these watch them? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (53:20):
So all right, next week we talk about the two
parter es.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah right, yeah, we're gonna talk about both parts of
the Inheritors, uh, you know, next week on the show.
And then I think that from there on out it's
probably we're just gonna do double features for the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
So I think that we only have like four episodes
left and we're done. Yeah, probably ship Storm after that.
So yes, and we'll talk more about our next podcast
endeavor and if the boys here.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Will go no, no, this is the end of my
podcast career as far as we know.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Okay, you'll make sure what that last episode.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Look, I'm not I'm gonna say, is uh liberty balance,
but go hu.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's how we ended.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
But all right, now we're we're spiraling out of control.
We have to end, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
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there are a couple of good things about this. Yes,
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To the Outer Limits. John Sutris here, Gabe Hardman here,
Ian Brill here, Jeff Parker here. We're all here to
discuss a sci fi classic that was well adapted twice
on The Outer Limits, both on the sixties version and
the nineties version. And that's Iando bender Otto and his brothers.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's really just auto, is it?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Really?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The brother is too much for I Robot.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I shouldn't say that, but it does seem like maybe
the brother had more to do with that initial story
than later or something, or at least that's all I
read to have to stop you right here, It's it's
not I Robot, It's Rob right episode they say, I
love that, feel like we gotta we gotta.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Stick with it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You know that's sort of canonical. There you go, and
uh uh, look you don't look, you don't want to
know what's happening off frame. That's all I'm saying. That's cool,
excellente Manu. No, I'm really excited to talk tonight because
it really is one of my favorite stories.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Sometimes gets uh misrepresented by Isaac Asimov's collection of robot stories.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh don't boo.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I mean because even because admits Auto Bender was first,
and he uh, you know, did a series of robot
let's continue to say a robot for the night.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
As you say, I'm sorry, I'm not the biggest Asmah fan,
even though yeah, truly a great last name.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah uh and the yeah yeah, but a glasses he
had the he had the three laws of robotics, which
have nothing to do with the story, right, Uh, but
characters maybe not so much humans.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That was not his thing.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but uh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I also I'm a super huge h Auto Bender fan. Uh.
He created most of the things in mainstream comics that
I like, Uh, all of the incredible cast of uh
Captain Marvel and Whiz comics like Talkie Tawny and mister Mind,
the little worm with the radio around his neck and
(03:45):
all the great stuff, all the fun stuff, a superman
like brainiac and the Bottle City of Candor. It's all Bender.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Uh and Supergirl as well, right, Supergirl superheroes absolutely and
no tons of Superman methods came from out o Bender,
no question.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And uh man, sorry I say. Bill Shelley did an
amazing biography of Auto Bender a few years ago that's
still out there from fanographics and people get that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
In the Phantom Zone, the best name ever the guy.
It sucks because every time I try to come up
with the cool names, like and Bender already got to.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That, you know, no question, that's great, and I've got
you know, Ian was great. Ian managed to get Oh
there you go. I guess I didn't know that Bender
named Mary Marvel after his daughter. So that's awesome, very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, we can circle around to a sad fact later.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Uh, we've got We've got lots of images from both
the comic adaptation and the pulp story of Yeah, so
but onto the.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Ex Yeah, as far as this episode goes, so, uh,
Ian Brill, what did you think.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Of this episode?
Speaker 5 (05:03):
I think they both benefit and also there's some clause
to having it both of them being courtroom dramas. There
is a kind of stamanist but also there's also a
kind of a fun I know fun is the word,
but like a philosophical aspect to the courtroom that I
(05:29):
you know, to turning everything into not even like a trial.
It's really just like a hearing before a trial can begin.
And the best part in both episodes is that it
really allows the actor who plays Cutler to really go
Howard and Silva in the sixty four version, the more
(05:50):
returning but now playing Cutler in the nineteen ninety five version.
It's like those performances really make their respective episodes. Makes
up for the fact that I have to say, in
the sixty four version, there's a lot of cool robots
in the sixties. I don't think this was.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh, you're definitely correct that this is not a cool robot.
I think it's a terrible design. Like I really but
I'm not sure. I mean the nineties one also looks terrible. No, no, no, no,
this is you.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Can see the guys in the you can see the
human's eyes there in the mask.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, we're in a jacket.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
He looks like he's a duck man or something like
the shape of his face is just like like we
we had this. That's that's an intermediate design. Idea that
that you know, that they accidentally picked.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And the original uncomfortable. The first one's more robot like
because it doesn't show muscles it right, Yeah, and it
was painful for the actor, right, and that I want,
That's what I want out of a well.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's also it's also held together by visible gaffers tape,
so that's that's a plus.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, and lots of yeah, yeah, lots of expanding yes.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Uh, but I think, like I'm not I'm not a
fan of that of the thing though, Like I feel
like there's the just I mean, maybe it's unfair, but
I feel like there's a kind of distinctive uh you know,
uh projects unlimited look to to a lot of the
stuff from the Outer Limits that that I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They built this as well, but it.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Doesn't look like it doesn't have that kind of unique look.
I feel like this could be from anything, you know,
it doesn't it doesn't feel like that that particular outer
limits type of look.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Would you rather look like the old pulp uh cover paintings.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah, with the with the little tiny legs and a
box in the middle, right, like or something like that,
you know, like I well, yeah, I mean those are
probably this is like, this is what.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Iby R two D two hilarious.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I mean, as we know canonically they have had a baby.
But the like, I think that the the thing that yeah,
obviously the reason they couldn't do that is because of
the practical effects aspect, the fact that you have to
have a guy in the suit that said, I would
have loved it if he was a fucking like Marrionette
guy that they somehow comped in and he looked you know,
and he was very non human looking, but that's none
(08:30):
of this is really the issue. Like he can look dumb.
It doesn't matter, like it's it's the question is whether.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The story works or not.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Uh, And I'm of the opinion that it almost it's
it's a good idea and it you know, and it
maybe should work a little better than it does. I
think that some of the ideas that we have in
our head about what what it's about about the you know,
about wrestling with these ideas of you know, uh, like
you know, the mind body disconnect and the you know
and things that that are relatable you make you know,
(09:00):
take a robot and make that something that you can
relate to humans and questions whatever, morally all that, I
think those are a little bit more in our heads
and the idea and we're going in with that idea
more than the than the episode is really making, you know,
good thought full points with I don't know, that's my feeling.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I I always you know, give these things allowances for
the air in which they were created. I think I
think it. I think it's an effective courtroom drama. And
and yeah, I agree with you, Gabe. I mean I
I do think the idea is presented at the beginning
to Howard to Silva's character and his own thoughts on
it are much more high minded than the actual execution
(09:45):
of the courtroom scene. And yeah, please get simplistic again,
it's that time.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Think but I just wanted just to speak to that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I think that reading the short story, or at least
I didn't read the trial short story. I just read
the first Like the first short story is basically him coming.
It's for all first person, and it's from the robot's
point of view. Oh, I want him to look like
that like in the in the.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That illustration right there. I love that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah, but yes, I yeah, exactly it's mostly about his book.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But the like, I think that the.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
In the short story, the it's all from his point
of view. It's a first person narrative from from Adamlink's
point of view, and I think that that kind of
is more sophisticated, Like it is kind of bringing suggesting
these ideas in ways that you know, and that's nineteen
thirty nine. I don't think they have a huge excuse
for not being able to take the ideas that we're
in the short stories and kind of and and execute
(10:41):
them a little better, except that, you know, the you know,
the guy who adapted it is a little hacky. But
at the same time, it's not I'm not seeing the
episodes bad. I think that it's you know, I think
it's a fun episode, but I just don't think that.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It quite paid off what it's teeing up at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, well there aren't they all essentially they're trying
to kind of get a little bit of inherent.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
The wind absolutely, no question, no question, you.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Know, the Scopes monkey trial. But yes, Tracy, but they
only have so much time and they're working with the robot. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But that's what I love about this that it is
not only it's just a lawyer. Yeah, well, it's it's
inherent the wind. It's of course at the beginning Frankenstein.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, I did not care for that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
That little girl was the worst. Yeah, yeah, little.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
So it's like also in the script for this, it's
like she falls back, she falls in the water. It's
driven out of whatever end she like they clearly like
blocked up a stream just enough that she could land
in like an inch of water.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I mean, she did not need saving.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
He broke my arm.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, it actually would be like that.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
That's the more like the if you if you approached
it like, oh, he doesn't even understand that she doesn't
need saving, then that would be like a more interesting
little conflict than she fell in two inches of water,
and then the robots like, oh I got to save
you know.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well and again as goofy, as the robot looked, I
think the voice was effective. It was neutral, but yeah,
there was a hint of sentiment or you know, real concern.
And again that's kind of why I mean again, I
love how it's evocative of Frankenstein and there at the wind,
(12:36):
and then of course later and it always comes back
to Star Trek is so important to things like the
measure of the man right Next Generation episode with Davis Try.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, I hate to say that about a second season
star Trek the Next Generation episode, but it actually did
a better job of talking about stuff than this.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean, you know, I mean writing and writing and
dialogue evolved. I mean it gets you know, it gets better, and.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yes and no, But nineteen thirty nine had the short
story in the first place, is more thoughtful and more
and certainly reads more contemporary than you know than this
TV show from from many years later.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So that's very true. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I mean, I I like, there, there's you know, there's
cool stuff in it. There is you know, the the there's.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
A lot of potential in it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
It's fun, uh you know the it's not it's not
the kind of slog that a lot of the other
episodes from the second.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Well, that's what I's gonna say. Literally, this and Soldier
and Demon with the Glass Hand, these are the exceptional
second season episodes that merit examining the second season and saying,
despite all the failings of it and lack of budget
and lack of direction and caring that appears in the
(13:58):
second season. This is one of the exceptions where like, no,
they they kind of anile it with this when I.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Think, yeah, although I will say that I think that
oh bit from the first season, which is also kind
of a courtroom drama of sorts, is doing it on
a different like this is just inherit. The wind put
a robot in, you know, it's not us. It's like
and I don't I don't think that that's that. It's
let you know, leveling up into a weird area the way.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Okay, enough of that, still ship.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
One of the things that I can't understand about it
is is his hair, right, Like he's got this wolverine
hair thing going on like that that like every I
get completely distracted by that every time he's on camera.
And then I think, so he went to court and
thought that's how I'm going to deliberately style my hair,
you know, like earlier it's just laying down. He's just
(14:54):
goofy looking, right, he just looks disheveled in court. He's like, no,
I got to make it into little wolverine points and
that that's gonna that's really gonna impress the jury.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Well, that's the thing to get across with the cutler
and both of them is he's he's had it with
the legal system. He doesn't want any part of it,
but he can't resist this case. And the cast in
the sixties Win is just great. I think they're terrific.
I think, uh, the lead actress is really good. Nimoy
(15:24):
is great in both.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yes, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Although he's actually way better in the nineties one, I think.
I mean, you know, he's a seasoned actor and it's
a meteor part, you know. But but yeah, he's always great.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I love him. He's a little he's a little miscast
or probably based on based on our own, uh experiences
with mister Spock for three seasons retroactively looking at this performance,
he's trying to be you know, Joe gene Kelly and
inherit the Wynn very cavalier and then kind of a
cynic and a little, you know, a little a little
(15:59):
bit of a Wise. There's a great post of him
being a Wise and I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I don't know if it's exactly miscast, I feel like
it's I think it's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I think it's also.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Just it just shows the speed that they went and
how little care they were able to take with the
performances and stuff, because I mean I think that he
probably just could have. You know, every bit of it
feels like a first take, you know, just doesn't feel
like anybody is able to kind of get into these
parts at all.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well, and despite despite d Silva's hair, which is a
big issue, it is a big important and it isn't
an interesting you know, And I don't know how much
we've talked about it on the show, but certainly behind
the scenes in our post show off the air conversations,
we've talked about da Silva and Shatner doing that series
(16:49):
for the People, and Da Silva plays the senior district
attorney and Shatner works for him. And there's a synergy
between this character and the Silver's character on that where
he is kind of more ambivalent in terms of well whatever,
you know, it's the systems, the system. And actually this
(17:10):
is almost like even though it comes before for the People. Yeah,
the Silver's character is kind of fed up with the system,
with humanity. That's why he's off fishing. And uh it
takes uh. I forget her name right now, and I'll
look it up.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
But Maria Hill, Yeah, I literally run.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I'm sorry and go ahead.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
She has cool roles in both the Sixties Star Trek
and Batman, so.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
She's yeah like Sixties.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, she's in the Dagger of the Mind right episode,
Yeah with Inspector Luger is the bad guy h James Gregory.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, with the Mind Ray that like yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They also from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Yes,
I'm a dead oman, yeah absolutely, but uh Maryanne she
uh it's ironic literally this morning, uh me TV has
spawned a new channel, Me TV Plus, and I am
and I know that these are terrible compared to the originals,
(18:17):
but I am fascinated by the trajectory of the Andy
Griffith Show, from the classic Barney Fife to the color
episodes to Mary Mayberry r f D.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's that's a whole other show man. Oh yeah, if
you do that, because I've got Andy Griffith opinions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
All right, well, but yeah Maybury podcast coming, Uh yeah,
a long long podcast, I got it.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You could literally go a year Monday through Friday and
not reach a rerun of Andy Griffith because it ran
for eight seasons if you include the color episodes, and uh,
but on Mayberry r F d which Ken Barry. Obviously,
he is the lead character in that. Marianne plays one
of Irene Golanka.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love that name.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Millie's Millie's girlfriends who became a New York model, and
she breaks up with somebody and comes back to Maybury
and she kind of falls for Sam, and Milly is
afraid that Sam is falling for her as well, because
she's this beautiful I mean still like yeah, I mean
you could tell and again on all of our episodes.
She's a lovely woman. Uh And yeah, I mean I think,
I lean Golanka is pretty hot too. But yeah, it's
(19:30):
like I can understand that if I were Sam, I'd
be paying attention to Marianna a lot more than Golanka.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
This particular digression.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, we got really lost in Maybury. You'll forgive me
that I had happened to see her recently. But no,
back to the story. No, I mean, I think it's
a very strong supporting cast. And again I can get
to their names, but like, you know, this guy's in
a million things, the uh district attorney that's going up
(20:02):
against Howard de Silva, and I think quite effective in
his role.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Well, John, pretty decent John yeah, he was. Of course
he was the brow Shield and now he's a he
gets to be a guy.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, yeah, where the hell is he? I thought I
uploaded his picture.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
I guess he's our probably our third star trek actor,
right because he was in the cage.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah right, he's doctor Doctor Boyce, the original doctor of
the Enterprise. Absolutely with Captain Pike.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I like the way in both versions of this the
judge just rolls with the fact that, all right, we've
got a robot in here.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, do you have to like our robots not are
somewhat more advanced or more common when this takes place,
because people do are not as amazing not shocked by him.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, I think that it's more at not being super
thoughtful and critical in the screen writing, like I mean,
I think I don't think it's meant to be the
robots and more common. I think there's a lot in
this that you know, when the uh, the Garter or
whatever the fuck he is who comes in and finds uh, yeah, man,
(21:18):
guy when he comes in, like he walks in, goes huh,
I gos dead over there underneath the robot like and
then walks right over and stands next to him, like
nothing's gonna happen. Then it takes like minutes for the
like to rub a couple of brain cells together and
figure out that, like, oh wait, I should be scared
(21:39):
of this murderous robot and then back away like that's
not that's that's that's not even in the writing. That's
just not thoughtful directing. You know, he should be coming
in and reacting and the dynamics should be the.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Thing the whole time. It's not even really the on
the page. It's just not considered very well.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I would like to see what would have how this
would have played out if they had just rented the
Robbie suit and let that be Adam Link. I wish. Yeah,
everybody keeps, everybody keeps trying to give him a sort
of human eyes or whatever, and every it's funny everything
connected with the words I robot has a terrible looking robot.
It's like, you know, the Will Smith movie obviously is
(22:19):
the ugliest looking and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Ye oh yeah, I was gonna that's I.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Was even worse than both of these combined.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I have no images from that horrible movie. I hate
that movie with a passion. It's so insultingly stupid. I
never saw.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It infuriates me.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And in fact, they I did an episode of Profits
of Science Fiction on the Discovery Channel and they they
really leaned on Asimov's collection of stories more so than
Bendo's story footage. They had footage from the Will Smith movie,
which really is kind of a bastardization of the Bender
(23:02):
story more so. Yeah, but this was.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
This is pretty much our uh let I am legend. Yes,
for science fiction. You're never going to get a version
that's true to what the original thing was, but they'll
keep remaking it with their own somebody's always got their
own twist.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It's interesting that you mentioned the Robbie of the Robot
because it was I'm assuming that was MGM property.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
This was at this point Robbie had turned up on
Lost in Space.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
So yeah, I think and a couple of times I
think it rentable prop, you know, somebody owned.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, And of course, because we always have to mention it.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Colombo later sure, of course, of course, directed by Spielberg
and starring oh god, uh that great actor who played Serrano.
God damn it. I can't think of his name right now,
son of a bitch, great great forties actor. He's the
he's the ironically, in another courtroom movie, he's the defense
(24:08):
attorney for the king mutiny. Oh, Jose Jo, I feel Miguel. Yeah,
that's right, Miguel, that's your reference. It's Miguel Ferreir's dad. Yeh.
For for people out there, absolutely it's brilliant.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Not from Lawrence of Arabia, but Miguel's dad.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, look, we always talk about fucking comics and Miguel.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Always come up.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
He would have been a good voice for Adam.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Yeah, and like you know, yeah, and then he he
played Albert Rosenfeld in Twin Peaks, who I modeled myself on.
Like that that character is incredibly important to me. So
like that's that's why.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I bring it up. There you go.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But uh, yeah, no talking about the voice, uh the
uh I do feel like well, I mean, I guess
we'll get to the nineties one. I don't know if
it's kind of hard to not talk about both of them.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But this is interesting that cor points out that I
didn't know that Harlan Nelson had a script for Our
Robot that was supposed to be directed by Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's kind of counting Umbrell to have read that I have.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
Seen it in bookstores. I never read it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Well also, and I don't I don't want to be
that guy. But it's Irvin Kershner, not Irvin.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Sorry one and either either Gikuro or someone else had
said Howard lutevil is supposed to do du Silva. But
you're right, Chikuro. The nineties one was indeed directed by
Adam Niewoy uh Leonards Sun and you know it's I
only have the one image from you know, the little
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money shot of him and the robot robot, but you
know it's a I thought.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
There's music larring during parts of the courtroom scene, and
why why is this happening?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Just awful nineties music bed sort of shit.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Like I I thought it was generally fairly effective. I thought,
you know, I think uh larring Nemo is great. I
think he's really good in it, and you know, and like,
uh he but I do think that there's you know,
some of the things that they did to try to
give it more twists and turns and make it, you know,
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just ultimately made it a little bit more convoluted and
a little bit less telling the story. I mean where
uh you know, approaching it that Adam really did kill him,
but it was because he was you know, like some
sort of protocols were turned off or something, and to
try to make him into a military application.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I just felt like that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
That's that's like, it just feels like it's a kind
of hat on a hat.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You know. It's it's a little too much.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It doesn't need it as much as as as it
would be better to just focus on the kind of
moral and ethical quandary of it than giving this kind
of built in mechanical pardon upon mechanical plot.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Excuse you know, I don't know, That's what I felt
about it.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
It also seemed kind of weird to buy the fact
that Adam and doctor Link had this familiar relationship and
with who's essentially his sister. But then he's like, I.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Got paid, so I know, you know, it's like, yeah, yeah,
it didn't ring true, especially since we don't you know,
we don't really see that relationship anymore than that. And
it's not it's not dealt with in the it's not
like we have some revelation that would make it make
sense that he would sell it sell out that way.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's it just it didn't quite gel.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But I thought Nemi was great I thought in a way,
the ending was a little bit better with saving the
the prosecutor, you know, because she's the little wouldn't it
be great if that was the little girl, But uh,
if the little girl was of the prosecutor, then that
that would have made a much more interesting guys.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yes, but you get to say, I do appreciate there's
nothing worse than that accusing point he broke my arm.
But uh, and the and the and the gap, the uh,
the the whole bearing down truck thing or whatever, and
Nimoy yells and and all that, and then Adam goes
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and gets busted up the same way. That was kind
of it was a fun callback. But then they did
even though I I also don't like the military storyline,
they do at least kind of blame it on the
way they focus back on the military guy, like he's
the reason the truck got put in motion and everything
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to destroy the robot.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I didn't mind that. I thought that that was
not good.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I think there were some there was some stuff that
was a little bit better about the way the nineties
one worked, and then some stuff that kind of felt like,
all right, you went, it was a little too much
it's trying a little too hard, and the.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Daughter is not nearly as good.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The actress is very local, higher feeling.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Yeah, these outer limits you will. For me, at least
I zero in on those Canadian day players and they
stand out like explicitly in America. It's in Washington, DC. Yeah,
when people have Canadian accents. I'm going bananas.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
War with with Canadian science fiction because I always appreciate
how much science fiction is produced in Canada and that
they make the effort to really explore the genre by
the same token. No, it is, it is a slightly
lesser product in terms of at least from an American
perspective of acting and production and everything, and just some
(29:52):
unfortunately leaning on you know, what's the era and I mean,
you know.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, but I mean there there are loads of great
Canadian actress. I mean they shot, you know, most of
the X File series up in Canada, and you know,
and it's like, that's not my favorite show in the world,
but it's a well produced show with good actors and
you know, a good cast, and like it's like and
not from that different of time, right, it's about the
same time.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Really they spent the first one in Saint Louis uh
or the whole Midwest vibe and everything. Even though you
get clear shots that you know that one it's down,
it's it's the la every it's you think it's gonna
be Dragnet for a second, and then and then and
(30:37):
then you get a shot of the mountains and you go, well,
stop showing l A if you want me to believe
this is Saint Louis. St.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Louis absolutely well. And I mean also that attitude, and
that's why I agree with the guys where robots are coming.
It's old Doc Link. It's old Doc Link and everything
in its quacky adventures. You know that kind of thing. Yeah,
you know that kind of West folks see almost mayberrys
now now Doc Lenk, Yeah, you won't be doing that stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I gotta stop Doc Leg from his robot stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I guess well, they get back to One of my
favorite hallmarks of the series is the home lab.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I love when there's a home lab. I'm sorry that
it's not a great shot of the lab being she
just pops down wherever.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Ye good gams. Let me tell you, I'm a big fan.
Can't help that's pretty misogynous.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Thank you. I know, I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
He was he was talking about Adam l Right, yeah,
look at him, man, I'll tell you I'd like to
see him in a rocket chorus line.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
No question. I can't do high kicks.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There's I think that maybe some of the uh you
know that we are like we we would have benefited
in the sixties episode from maybe a little less flashback
and a little bit more like content drama, even if.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's like a baby.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, look, I I'm never against a robot crawling around
on the floor, but in this instance, I just felt
like it, you know, that was a.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Little that was a little disturbing. It is uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It was uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah. Also, why did doctor put the big heavy generator
up on the wall?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I don't know, Yeah, so it could fall in his head.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's a yeah, it's it's it's a classic three Stooges
bit where you store the bowling balls on the top hill.
Why why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
But also I guess yeah, also the there's a scene
with the housekeeper who's in there and comes and you know, uh,
sweeps around his feet and then the foot moves and
then she basically just looks straight into camera for a
comedy take that felt me be not the greatest, you know,
very una O'Connor or something, you know, very very uh,
(33:05):
you know a little much, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I love that both times they stick with the whole. Hey,
let's see if we can make the robot go berserk
here in the courtroom. Yeah, what could that's go on?
When you go wrong?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Like I watched this twice. The first time I watched it,
I I don't know. I got distracted a little bit
right before that part, and I thought, oh shit, he
just goes nuts at one point, and like you know,
and and they can't, you know, they can't deal with
him and whatever, and I thought, oh, that's kind of
an interesting development, and then I realized, No, it was
just this kind of like I don't, I can It's
(33:42):
so hard to go along with that kind of stuff
where it's like making these ridiculously broad assumptions about well,
you know, if you you know, if you if you're
stuck a fork in his battery, would he go insane?
Let's find out, you know, like I don't, I don't.
That's such an obsord reach And the fact that they
(34:03):
their premise is, oh, maybe he'll freak out and then
he does.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Is not great, right, agreed, no question. I'm looking at
the cast and uh, you know, let's see here. So yeah,
Maryanna Hill of course, Nina Link uh Ford Rainey is
the district attorney and uh again a very familiar face
for a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And we mentioned John Hoyt. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
The other the other actors really don't Uh, they're not
memorable as far as other roles.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
That I okay, but I I do know a memorable
thing about the guy who plays the uh the like handyman.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Please discover who discovers him because I don't please.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, apparently in h in the mid two thousands, after
he had retired from acting and he's living up in
Seami Valley.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Uh, he got into.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
An argument with a with a couple of guys or
a guy at a bar, got super pissed off, drove
his his v W bus back home, got a gun,
came back to the bar, shot the guy dead in
the bar and uh and then another guy was in
the bar as well, and he turned it, turned the
gun and shot that guy too.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That guy lived, but.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
This actor is still doing time yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
So that wasn't when got killed, was it?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
But no, no sal Mini, no Salmonio got killed a
lot earlier than two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What about the guy who played Alfalfa didn't he also
get shot this way?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Alfalfa guy was yeah he that was apparently a disagreement
over a dog.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
But uh the but.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
The but yeah, this was This guy is just a
fucking murderer who just went you know, and he literally
shot the guy in the back in the bar.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
What this guy?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
And I hate this guy. I worse than a little girl.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now, yeah, I know he's I mean, he's large worse
than that little girl.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I guess while we're on this subject, I should bring
up this sad Auto Bender fact, please, because I could
not think of it watching this that there's a whole
scene where a little girl's about to get run over
by a truck and the robot stops at The central
thing that derailed Auto Bender's life and career was his
(36:23):
daughter got ran over by a car. Oh no, and
actually not just in the street. The car literally jumped
the curb she was walking home from school and killed her.
And obviously this just completely wrecked him and everything, And
it's just such a weird thing that you know, as
(36:44):
I'm watching this that that's part of the story, right,
it happens years a few years before you know that
actually happened, And I feel like when there's a weird
moment like that, I don't know, I have to bin
it out.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's uh yeah, well, I mean, but was this part
you know, I didn't read the trial short story, so like,
was that part of it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
That was for the show?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, that's what I thought, because there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Because Adam goes on to have many more yeah, amazing stories.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, and apparently he like fights off an alien invasion,
has like a wife called Eve.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Or something, and you know, yeah, the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, very private Eye. I think we skipped over that
part because that's that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, I look if this honestly, like if this show
was about Adam Lake Private Eye, I think I.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Would be more on board. Hell yeah, like that sounds
like a lot of fun. Look, he's got a companion
in this cover.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well that's the whole thing, like he you know, in
the original short story, it's yeah, in the original short story,
he the dog is a big part of it because
like he uh, he kind of uh the dog, you know,
one of his first kind of conscious acts is the
dog like jumps on him and he grabs the dog.
The dog squeals, and he instantly lets go of the dog,
(38:13):
you know, because he's kind of learned this behavior from uh,
you know, from watching the Doctor and learned and and
but has a kind of instantaneous compassionate response about about
not hurting the dog, so like, uh, which is kind
of the I mean, then there is a further scene
in it with saving a little girl from the stream.
But but the so maybe they need to do both
(38:35):
of us things.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
But then the dog is kind of very loyal to him,
and then uh, then the.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Uh, the dog like gets killed when he's on the
run and it's killed by the people who are chasing it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Wait, so, Adam Link is the original John Wick? Is
what you're saying? Yeah, well, it should not be that wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
It should have gone that way like if if he
if if the following story was him tracking down and
murdering the ship out of those people over the dog,
I would be very enthusiastic about that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Now, what a great series. And you just reminded me
since you bring up the fact that he fights off
an alien invasion. He's essentially a kind of four runner
of Colossus. The Foreban Project. Yeah yeah, I don't know
who else is a big fan of that. Here in
the wares I can help you.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
We mentioned alley near where I grew up. That that
is filmed at Moore Park College near Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
So, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I just saw Eric Brayden his oral history interview with
the Television Academy talk about classes that it was really great.
It was really really great.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
About the apes.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely, he does.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
He did. And also of course the rat patrol my
favorite World War two right.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, it's awful. The machine gun that's all you need?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That was the big star really always in.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
The back of a g Yeah. Yeah, you have to
have Eric Braden looking at the painting. Now we're looking
at the painting of painting painting as he explains the
concept of infinity to us in time and everything. But uh, oh,
I guess this also gets us to another popular subject
that occasionally comes up. James Cameron. Apparently, when he cast
(40:28):
Braiden in Titanic, uh went up to him and nerded
out on him, which Braiden didn't realize what he was doing,
because he he says like his last little part that
doctor Forben yells his defiant thing. And I think Eric
(40:48):
Braden didn't know what he was doing. He's clearly Cameron
loved the Foreben project. And uh, I mean for people
who don't know, Colossus is a supercomputer created by the
United States that is to counter a supercomputer the Russians
(41:09):
are created, called Guardian. Uh so kind of cold war
is playing out between these computers of controlling things. Ours wins,
but then Ours decides we're also not capable of running
the planet either, and just takes over the world. And
so it's all about it's what age of Ultron should
(41:31):
have been, sorry, and uh and it goes on. They
finally managed to shut Colossus down, but in another book
they find out Aliens are coming to invade and they
have to turn Colossus back on because he's the only
one who can possibly beat the aliens. And that is
the kind of thing I love.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So, you know, I thought the movie ends with Colossus
not being able to be shut down, that he does
take over the world. I thought it had a more
apocalyptic ending.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh yeah, the moo in the movie, he can't be
shut down. He just wins.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kinda and it's kind
of because it was nineteen seventy or whatever. You right, right,
he's in the air of soilent green and and beneath
the Planet of the Apes and.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Good stretch for four or five years. We just lost Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Can you imagine going to the drive in for these
movies that Gould has said that about beneath the Planet
of the Apes and co and the world does just
you know, once there was a green planet that orbited
it in some significant star.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
It's now dead.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
And then they play the credits with like no music,
and it's like, all right, yeah, great Roy watching emerge,
Robinson kill himself and stuff.
Speaker 5 (42:42):
You know, you explain the Vietnam War and like the
effect it had on American culture. I would just show
the last like three minutes of from a G rated movie.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yes, after that.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Look, they didn't rate they didn't rate A for Nihilism,
so you yeah, that's true. Uh. Gicoro points out that
Robert sorel So apparently died. Yeah, and uh, i'd forgotten.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
He played Casey in The Mighty Casey Twilight Zone episode
yeah that was the Baseball I can't stand that episode,
but yes, yes, that's true. It's got Jack Orton in it.
Other than that, yeah, it doesn't have to a.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Better rob episode of want to give him a robic wife?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, the Lonely Yeah yeah, yeah, so much.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that has a lot of great solid
Jack Wardon and it's it's it's yeah, it's really good.
Uh it's robot baseball. Too many things, too many things
like you can have a robot or you can something.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Didn't need Warren Baby, he was great all by himself.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Oh yeah, he was always great, always great. Yeah. Yeah,
every time the Twilight's done tried to do comedy it failed.
There really isn't a good comedic Twilight Zone episode that
I can think. No, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
It's it's always one of those the devil has signed
you to a contract, but he missed something. And even
though he's the devil, he's like, I'm ship you got
me on this one because it's right here. He honors contracts,
that's his thing.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah yeah, but all right, so yeah, there you go.
I think we've we've talked out all of I robot
and uh, you know, it was again it's a I
think a reasonable adaptation.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Okay, but as a kid, you do you remember watching
it as a kid? Were you sad when Adam got
ran over?
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well again I bought the whole sentiment, and no, if
you feel bad for this robot as much as.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
You do when you get a little older. With Frankenstein,
the are are and young Frankenstein when he sits on
the sea saw and the little girl goes flying up
through the window. I like the Libra.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Libra wants to point out I never laughed at for
Burgess Merediths glasses at time at last.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
That's not fair. It's not fair, Steve laughs, and everybody
with really thick coke model.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Glasses that relate absolutely. That's that does.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Bring up a point where I'm going through a lot
of Twilight Zone episodes kind of to help going through
the second season of Attle limits a lot of Twilight
Zone episodes. The twists, they're like jokes, but they're taken seriously,
like to certain man, like that's yeah, well seriously, yep.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Isn't that But isn't that kind of what twists are
at the end of you know, short term, they're just
it's a it's the punchline. But yeah, take it seriously, right,
I mean, but not diminishing your point. That's definitely correct. Like,
you know, you could you could just recast as a comedy.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Why am I blanking? And the giant that played to
serve man's name? It's not Richard Kee, No, it's it
is Richard Kee. It's not Ted Cassidy. Yeah, right, was Richard?
You're right?
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Ted Cassidy is in the Star Trek episode Rock Rock Yes,
the Old Ones, Yes, the Big Yes, and he always at.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Some point, right, what's that Those two guys they must
have met at some point man role.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm betting there was some professional rivalry there. Like I
remember reading an interview with Michael Anderson, the the the
little person from Twin Peaks, and him talking him very
bitterly talking about about other other little people getting roles
when they didn't deserve them and he should have gotten them, Like,
(46:57):
uh so I think that they're just you know, you
get in the business, you get like put in this box,
and then there's these limited number of roles, and and
so obviously.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Is going to get most of them.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yes, Now are the lollipop killed kid that survived the
eyes veteran that like Jerry whatever his name was, to
live forever.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, I mean it's like not. I mean I think
that that Michael Anderson, Maybe you have some real serious
a few problems.
Speaker 5 (47:26):
A good time and when I say good time, I
mean bad time. Take a deep dive on Michael Anderson's
Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
He's uh there, he's He accuses a lot of people
of murder. He like, there's there's there's not. It's not
a good thing. There's a reason he didn't come back.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
That's the thing. I'm like a lot of people, almost
everybody came back to the return. Michael Anderson, this iconic actor,
did not. I, with all the innocence in the world,
I googled why is Michael Anderson twin Peaks of Return?
And I got more than I bowed.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
The Yeah, there's stuff that I don't even want to
talk about about why he says that real.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Much regarding another little person, Billy Barty ironically rude to Lee,
one of those old Hollywood starlets from the fifties and sixties,
was just she has a new book out, a collection
of Hollywood stories, and I just heard her on Gilbert
Gottfried's podcast, and she went on about how we take
(48:28):
Billy Barty for granted and she did a production of
Irma Luduce with Billy Barty, I'm assuming in the Jack
Lemon role, and how brilliant he was, and that you know,
he should have gotten more opportunities beyond just being a
little person and running around and stuff. All right, good,
get on that note, rutally exactly, honestly great stories, very
(48:52):
interesting stories I want to buy. I must say, she's
quite a storyteller, and that makes me want to buy
the book that in. Uh God, I see Gabe kaplan
or here Gabe kaplan On. I've listened to a little
bit of it. I haven't finished it. And I and
I submitted a question of Gilbert's podcast for when they
talked to Gabe. I don't know if I don't know
(49:12):
if they'll use it or not, but I was, well,
what what is it? Maybe we can answer it for you. Well,
I just wanted to about his basketball movie Fast Break,
okay the seventies, and so I was. And also I
really want them to go into detail of that amazing
fifty yard dash he did with the Battle of the
Network Stars with Robert Conray right right, because apparently there's
(49:35):
a you know, and I'm a member of SAG. I
guess it's in the SAG magazine that he wrote an
essay about trying to make amends with Conrad, because Conrad
really took the loss very personally.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
He was pissed.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, yeah, it felt like he kind of suckered him
into the race. And it's like that is honestly the
most pitiful, fact fantastic watch, but oh.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
God, Kaplan just totally he's he starts out behind him
and then he walks him down.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
It's beautiful, and he's got that giant, you know, afro
of the seventies and it's like a comet with his afros,
like a comet tale.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Just when he's sprinting.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's fantastic, but also just a whole lead up to
it where Conrad's like, they cheated, they cheated, and that
we should have a race, and then Telly Savales because
it's all that CBS and NB or ABENC and NBC
and all of a sudden, Telly savellas CBS is captain
in a warm up suit smoking a cigarette is completely unfair.
(50:40):
We should also be in this race and it's so fantastic.
Well tell you some ballas obviously throwing a little oil
into the ointment with this question, Oh cracking, it's so good.
You got to watch it, everybody.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Can I say one other thing about I robot the
No it's something that like, I, uh, that is not
really out.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Enough to bring up, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
The lear Nimoy in in the original one talks about
like he has this whole aside about a boxer that
he saw and he goes, yes, this sort of boxing
digression right. Well, in like every early thing I've seen,
let pre star Trek thing thing I've seen Letter Nimoy,
and it has something to do with boxing. Like he's
(51:22):
in a in a Stony Burke episode he plays a boxer.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
He's in that movie.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Uh you know, uh, what's it called, h you know,
Bang Bang Mulrooney or something. It's not that it's uh,
it's like, uh, it's some kind of boxing movie as
well where he plays boxing. I feel like there's a
weird connection between early Letter Nimoy and boxing that always
comes up. I have no idea why. I'm sure it's
(51:48):
all a coincidence, but like it's not This is not
a good observation about this episode, but I still brought
it up because of the sports.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Well and and you know, you got to realize back
in the fifties and ys, boxing was a mainstay of
television and very much in the zeitgeist as any of
the four major sports. In fact, I would say more
so than basketball as far as the four major sports.
But yeah, boxing was on every week in the fifties
and sixties.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, that gets you back to Rod Shirling and Requiem
for a Heavyway.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Yeah, totally sorry. That movie was called Kid Monk Baroni.
That movie, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
And that Stony Birk episode.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'd like to watch that I'm being a boxer.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
That's great, Like he does not seem like, oh, he's
obviously a boxer, right like this does he was a boxer.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
No, I was. I was listening to one of the
Trexperts commentaries on the Apple episode with David Goodman as
the I Guess commentator, and they were discussing the fact
that Nimoy doesn't have, you know, a strong man physique
and that he's more wiry uh than you know. But again,
if you go to the lower way classes, I could
(53:02):
see lenin nays in middle wait sure, all right, well good?
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Uh so I think that we've solved this, right I
robot letter n boy middle wait, no question.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
The faces of meme way everybody there.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
You'll enjoy these watch them? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (53:20):
So all right, next week we talk about the two
parter es.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah right, yeah, we're gonna talk about both parts of
the Inheritors, uh, you know, next week on the show.
And then I think that from there on out it's
probably we're just gonna do double features for the rest
of it.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
So I think that we only have like four episodes
left and we're done. Yeah, probably ship Storm after that.
So yes, and we'll talk more about our next podcast
endeavor and if the boys here.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Will go no, no, this is the end of my
podcast career as far as we know.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Okay, you'll make sure what that last episode.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Look, I'm not I'm gonna say, is uh liberty balance,
but go hu.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
That's how we ended.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
But all right, now we're we're spiraling out of control.
We have to end, all right, fair enough?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Join us again next time for to the Outer Limits,
when we talk about the two parter Inheritors, which also
features a Star Trek connection but also Robert Duval. Yes,
there are a couple of good things about this. Yes,
absolutely give me Robert Duval. All right until next week
and we'll probably be back on our regular schedule with Thursday.
We'll see, yes, all right, no problem, all right, thanks
(54:32):
everybody for watching, Have a good night, Take it easy.
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