9/25/24 - The Mo Egger Radio Show - Mo Egger

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bengals take on Carolinas Panthers. Coverage starts Sunday morning at

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nine on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
All Right, what's up?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Good Afternian mowegor Esken fifteen thirty, thank you for joining us,
or after three in.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Case you don't know what time it is.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
It's typically on Tuesdays that we're at Buffalo Wild Wings,
but Bengals played on Monday. Well the offense did at least,
and so that slides everything over a day. So we
are at beat Ups and Hamilton today, which is awesome.
Bridgewater Falls. It has been quite a while since I
have been up here, but the staff has been very welcoming.

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We're welcoming to you. Come on out and hang out
with us. Obviously, we've got, you know, all sorts of giveaways.
We've got our butt light cooler we're giving away. We've
got some cool Bengals hoodies, Bengals cooler. We've got tickets
to the Bengals Steelers game in December in Cincinnati. We're
giving those away right before six o'clock. You cannot win

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anything if you don't get here, so get hangout. I
just got a Burger serve to me. The only thing
that would make today, in this moment, any better would
be if Paul Danner Junior was sitting next to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
But as things work, he's got his job to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
He's covering the Bengals, Zach Taylor's press conference earlier, he
got Joe Burrow's press conference later, there's practice, There's all
sorts of stuff he has to do, and so he
can't be here in Hamilton, but he's kind enough to
give us some time on the phone. Paul obviously covering
the Bengals for The Athletic. The latest Growler podcast was
recorded today. I was a part of it. It's out
right now and you can follow Paul on x at

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Paul Danner Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I miss having you in person, but it's good to
have you on the phone. How are you. It is
good to be here on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's not the same though, It's just it's just not
the same. And you know, you're you're out in my
Lady Jay's territory.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
I thought maybe you should just check in with him
or see if he wants to come up and hang
out with you kind of in my place.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, there's there's a little Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
You know one of those barstools that has like the
little gold plaque on it.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I think I think it Chase right over there, Jason. Yeah,
they haven't.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean, look, you gotta take care. You got
to take care of your.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Locals, exactly, exactly. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Has anything interesting happened today as it relates to the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
Not not really, uh not yet. But it's actually a
late day where they don't really get anybody in here
doing hardly anything until you get to around that that
six o'clock area with the little walk through they're gonna
do come off the money in that football game. So
it's a it's an easy day. There hasn't been a
bunch of news yet outside of we talked to Louyn Aroumo.

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We talked to Zach Taylor, so you know, there's a
little bit of the things that came out of those
conversations that that will kind of be reacting to, as
you can imagine.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
We talked to Touch about the defense.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
Oh uh yeah, it's it's a popular topic right now.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
It's easy to say they lost the game because of
how bad the defense was, which is true, right. I mean,
I've talked about it now for a couple of days.
So the defense is the main reason why they lost.
What's the main reason why the defense was so bad.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Pass rush?

Speaker 5 (03:14):
I think defensive line in general, you know, because they
they stopped the run relatively well all things considered, and
I think that was what you were probably most concerned about.
When you considered Washington came into the game running the well,
and you had a team that had the ball run
them twice in two games pretty well, and so you

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had your wondering, if this is going to be another
version of that, and Washington's gonna grind out two hundred
plus rushing.

Speaker 7 (03:42):
Yards and that's going to be why this thing goes wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, it wasn't the case.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
There.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
They just never could win getting to Jayden Daniels and
they couldn't pressure them, They couldn't get in his face.
They couldn't even get him into a third and middle,
a third and three.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
They didn't have a single third and more than one
until the fourth. I mean, you can't live like that
because there was a very little chance to actually tee
off and that was partially because they just could not

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get near Jayden Daniels and he was able to Torch
and I'm standing there himself in the backfield. They just
don't have enough guys that win right now, not named
Trey Henderson.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
That's that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, And look, I know they play without b. J.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Hill and they play without Sheldon Rankins, and they're better
with those guys. But but if if we're gonna lean
on their returns when whenever, whenever they come uh to
see results that are dramatically better, Man, I don't know
that I'm inspired by that.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Should I be? I mean it can't. It's gotta be
a little better.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
I mean, you you feel like you're down to you know,
guys that you didn't even know if they were going
to make the roster at one point. I mean, Zach
Carter and j. T. Fele are in there taking the
vast majority. You got Lawrence guy who just showed up
on Tuesday. You know, you're so at a certain point

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you expect players to play above the level that they
probably are. That said, like, why are they so bad?

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Like there's a lot of guys.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
On that line, But this team has been invested in
whether we're including the edge position, whether we're including all
of these defensive tackles, they have spent a lot of money,
They have spent a lot of draft capital on the
defensive line, and for a few injuries, No granted, I
mean cam Sample, Miles, Murphy throw them in there too,

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and that and Jackson, McKinley, Jackson. I mean, you've got
a lot of guys that are hurt, no question, But
it can't look that back.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It's that bad where nobody.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Is able to do absolutely pained.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
You've covered a lot of really interesting games, and you've
covered a lot of Cincinnati wins, and then you've you've
covered some real sobering and gut punch losses, and for
many of them, I ask you, what is the mood
like in the locker room afterward? What was late Monday
night like after that debacle?

Speaker 4 (06:28):
A lot of you know, disbelief.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
I think there was a lot of people that were
just stunned by the outcomes, specifically on defense.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
I spent most of my time talking to people on
the defensive side of the ball after.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
That game, as you might imagine it, and there was
you know, it's in the frustration because I think they
felt like through two weeks they had been okay and
certainly headed the right direction.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Games the city was much better than all the.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Mistackles and stuff that happened in the opener against New England.
They got turnovers in Kansas City. It felt like this
group and the communication thing and and all that stuff
was was headed in the right direction and for it to,
you know, not only go the wrong direction, but somehow
be worse than anything we saw last year, and really

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anytime the Bengals have played this century, it's pretty startling.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I think they all kind of in a little
bit of.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
A shell shock disbelief of what went on there.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
I just I, you know, I brought this up to
a degree on your podcast this morning, the Growler. I
just human nature dictates to me that if you're an
offensive player, maybe not after one game, but if this
continues where terrific offensive performances are wasted, like it's at
some point that's going to create something not good. Whether

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it's finger pointing, whether it's side eye, whether it's players
blatantly calling out some of their teammates, like that's that's good.
That's gonna lend itself to a not good dynamic. How
much should we worry about that?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Well, I think one more loss and you should worry
about all of the things that come with going four
or or falling out of contention. You're gonna get your
locker room blowout comes next, right, someone's gonna blow up,
and then you might get you might get your favorite,
you might get like a player's only.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Me oh yeah, meaning yeah love. That's gonna get them
going and.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Business decisions, right like, that's that's how that's that goes.
We're at We're at spot three right now, and if
you get to a couple more losses, you start talking
about seven, eight, nine, ten.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
They're not there yet.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
I mean right now, they're just kind of feeling like
they still can get.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Back on track and and all of that. But really.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
It's a situation where they just continue to go forward
and feel like everything's still gonna be okay and don't
have to go to the dark place just yet.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
There's been a lot of discussion of Joe Burrow changing
his leadership style.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
What does that look like.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
An overblown headline?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Maybe? I think there's I mean, I.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
Think there's truth.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
I think there's truth to it.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I mean, he said it.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
I do think he needs to be the one that
is much more the voice of this team, and and
that of the younger players or struggling players or players
lost turned because look this time, the last couple of years,

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there's been a lot of guys that have helped pull
them out of adversity on this team and they're not
here anymore. Okay, you're DJ Reader to Jesse Bates to
any number of players that have left, and we discuss
them ad nauseum this offseason. That that core foundational.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Group that they let walk out the door, Tyler Boy.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Chide Be use all of these guys that was part
of the like all the culture talk that we did
for all those years, and they were such a big
part of that.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
So that's absence. Now you turn it over.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
To a new and different group of people. Now there's
plenty of good leaders. I'm sure they feel like in there.
But naturally that you know, Burrow needs to be the
one to pick up that slack that those voices provided
so often and whatever that is that maybe is lacking
a little bit more. So, Yeah, that falls on him

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and me need to be more vocal. He's got a
pretty good feel for that and so maybe he just
needs to stretch himself out a little bit that way.
But let's be honest, these are run professionals.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
MO like, get it.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Together, right, I mean, you guys are expected to go
out there and play. You shouldn't need Joe Burrow to
come over and pat you on the butt and tell
you hate go play.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well, you would think not, but you know, I mean
you would. You would also think you could tackle her,
sack Jayden Daniels once and stop a rookie quarterback from
averaging nearly seven seven points per possession. And and that didn't.
That didn't happen either. That was that was frustrating. I again,

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I said this to you on your podcast today. I
I feel like, you know, the ease with which Washington
scored and moved the football maybe underscores this. It maybe
makes this something that it's not, I guess, but that
the defense to you look slow. And if the defense
is slow, how does the defense suddenly turn fast?

Speaker 5 (11:47):
This is this comes back to, you know, the same
thing that we spent.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
A lot of time talking about. That they have.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
Rafted to create the next wave of this defense that
offsets the contracts of Burrow and Chase eventually, right, I mean,
they they spent we would talk about seven straight day
one and day two picks on the defensive side of
the ball, dating back to Joseph Osi, Right, what did

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those guys give you on Monday? Nothing? Really, I mean nothing,
And so that's fine. Like, I don't have a problem
with the construction of and I'm specifically speaking about a
defensive line, but you can roll this over to some
other positions in different ways. I don't have a problem

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with the of a bunch of veterans that, yeah, maybe
they're in their last year or two, they approach thirty
or whatever, but you have backfilled with not just young players,
but high pedigree draft picks, high investment draft picks behind them.
So if the regression or the falloff begins, the young

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guy takes over and eventually you move that forward. They're
set up nicely that way, but you don't want the
older guys to regress and the younger guys to not
develop at the same time, and they're just you know,
it's not really fair to make those broad rush statements
about Miles Murphy, who we really haven't seen fully healthy
this year, or Chris Jenkins, who played this first game,

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or McKinley Jackson hasn't played yet. But there's a bunch
of guys that were out there and do it that
they have invested draft picks in, and that is what
kills you. You can't have that much investment in young
defensive players to offset your offensive bills that just don't happen,

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that don't develop, that don't contribute when you really need.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Them because injuries have happened.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
To me, that's so much of what comes back to
and where the plan has not connected and had them
in a point where they would have a game like
what Monday looked like.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, one of the I'll let you run after this.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
One of the most interesting things about football games is
there's this weird dynamic that if the offensive team decides
we want to put a tackle or an offensive lineman
on the field and allow him to catch a pass,
that the referee turns his microphone on and announces to

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everybody in the stadium and watching at home, this player
is eligible, which certainly doesn't guaranteed that the ball is
going to come his way, but certainly alerts everyone to
the distinct possibility that it may happen. And yet, in
consecutive weeks, I have watched the team that is playing
the Bengals. Last week it was Kansas City on Monday.
Obviously it was the Washington Commanders. They throw a pass

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near the goal line to alignman and he doesn't have
anybody in the same area code. And I'm kind of
wondering if, like, when they make that announcement, does anybody
on the sideline or in the huddle or up you know,
in the press box where the Bengals defensive coaches are
say to themselves, Hey, this guy's eligible, so they may

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throw a football to him.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, I think I.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
Think maybe it's worth revisiting at a meeting. It reminds
me of when I was when I was coaching my
my daughter's first grade baseball team, and we had a
really big breakthrough when we sat down at the beginning
of one practice and said, Hey, does anybody got an
outs made?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Like, raise your hand, Hey, does anybody know how to
get one? Speacause but what this tackle Q now that
he's been declared eligible, does anybody know how to cover one?

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Maybe we sho just get back to the very basics
of understanding how it operates.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'm here for.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
What I'm here for is what is the longest streak
of consecutive games allowing a touchdown path to an offensive
lineman for history. Okay, just let teams continue to try
to exploit this and see.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
How far it can go.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, I mean, if you're one of the tackles on
the Carolina Panthers, I mean you you're not sleeping this week, right,
you cannot wait to come to work today to see
what do they have in the game plan for me?
Are they going to be multiple looks? Could I catch
two passes? Perhaps?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Like it's it's really exciting.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I'm just I'm really interested in that dynamic where the
player comes out onto the field and they announced everybody,
dude may catch a pass in so many words, and
yet when the other team throws a pass to them,
the Bengals look like they didn't think that was a possibility.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
That just interesting.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Maybe they need me to come down and when the
scout team runs, you know, goal line plays, somebody could
pretend to be the official and go, hey, seventy one's eligible.
Know what that means, guys, set I don't know.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
It feels like something that would fall under the that's right,
I mean, I feel like that's kind of it's really
a part.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Future job description.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Don't forget.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
One of the most fam was by uh Robert Hunt right, Uh,
who was with Miami at the time and caught it.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Did like a dive.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
It didn't count, would like a crazy dive over the
go on.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
Well, he's no guard for the Panthers.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
That guy's gonna feel like game plan.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Should be made for me. How many times are you
going to throw it to me? Is really the question?
So look out for him. Is there a I don't
know what the props are, but give me the give
me the props on a Hunt touchdown. I'll take that value.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm trying to find out. I'm trying to remember.
Did did Andy ever throw a touchdown when he was here?
To a like an Andrew Whitworth or you know, an
offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I don't recall you like Wit caught one.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
I feel like Wit caught one, but I don't know
if it was from Andy. That's good, good investigation.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
We'll have to Uh, we'll have to look into that.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
All right.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Well, fortunately they have internet access here at beat Ups
and so we'll give it a look. I'll let you
get to work, Thank you as always, and we'll see
you next week.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Man, Thanks so much later, enjoy the weddings to night.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
There you go, that's our guy. By the way, it
caught a touchdown pass in twenty ten from.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm assuming Carson Palmer. There you go.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
It is twenty two after three o'clock. We're a Buffalo
Wild Wings and Hamilton. We're late for a break. We
have a lot of ground to cover. Wes Miller's gonna
call in coming up in the four o'clock hour. Sean
Sayet is gonna join us in the five o'clock hour,
plus Richard Skinner. If you're wondering, Joe Burrow's press conference
is at six o'clock tonight. I would imagine that you'll
you might not hear it live, but you'll hear it

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in some way, shape or form during Bengals Game Plan tonight,
which airs from six to eight. As soon as we're done,
Dan Horden, Dave Lapham. Before that though, coming out to
Buffalo Wild Wings. We've got Bengals Steelers tickets, We've got
Bengals hoodies, We've got a Bengals cooler, we've got coozies,
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Speaker 1 (19:02):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
You missed yesterday's Tony Mbo football show, go get it
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
Lots on the Bengals yesterday. Here's what I want you
to do. I want you to go fine. By the way,
we looked up Andy Dalton's touchdown log. My guy, Rodney Simpson,
and I mainly him back ball him.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
We did not find an instance where Andy Dalton, is
Bengals quarterback, threw a touchdown pass to alignment. Andrew Whitworth
did catch one in twenty ten, which was Carson Palmer's
last year here, so maybe the Panthers can I would
imagine establish a new record or help the Bengals establish
a new record for most consecutive games giving up a
touchdown to alignment. I can't imagine the records longer than

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or more than three, so this would be three straight.
We'll see there you go. I want you to go.
Look at the twenty twenty one Bengals roster. This team
made the Super Bowl. The team that made the Super
Bowl on the strength in the postseason at least of
defense and special teams. And that's not discredit the offense

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in any way. Just you remember that run three playoff wins,
five touchdowns, an offense that was torpedoed by the offensive
line not being very good, but a team that still
got to within a couple of plays of winning a
whole thing, winning the whole thing because of the defense.

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Go look at that defense and then go print out
a current Bengals roster. Let's maybe do a little exercise
coming up in the four o'clock hour.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Reds lose the Ohio Cup.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Last night, they lose Freddy Benaviti's managerial debut. I guess
he couldn't make Carson Spires pitch better, and so a
losing season has been clinched. The Ohio Cup has been clinched.
We have the people in Cleveland making fun of Kentucky,
which I don't understand. We also Jonathan India having some
stuff to say, which we'll get to those quotes, and

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I'll tell you what I would really want to know
from him, if he was willing to speak completely unfiltered.
We'll do that when we come backsports headlines as well.
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Speaker 2 (21:29):
Station, Cincinnati's ESPN.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Is this the game show where there's third touchdown?

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Past the oh and three Bengals finally taste victory when
they line up against Andy Dalton and the Carolina Panthers.
Than can the Orange and Black get down to business
and fulfill their quest for win number one?

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at nine am. Bengals game plan tonight from six to
eight on ESPN fifteen thirty as well. Meanwhile, Reds and
Guardians again tonight, Cincinnati losing the debut of Freddy Benavite's
as Reds managers six point forty this evening on a
seven hundred WLW. Obviously, all of the conversations about the

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Reds have centered on what they did and what they
have yet to acknowledge on social media, which that's I
say that not to be critical. I just I think
it's interesting for a team that is so engaged with
social media to not even acknowledge that you've changed managers
is just interesting. Maybe it tells you how little the
manager actually matters, right, I mean, if they made a trade,

(23:33):
they would announce that. If somebody got promoted, they announced that.
I'm sure when they hire a manager. There's gonna be
an announcement. I don't know man no like And I
actually did go back and look in the social media era,
the Reds have had two other managers, Dusty Baker and
Brian Price, and in neither instance they do like this

(23:54):
huge thank you tribute on social media, but they at
least acknowledged we're changing managers. And in both cases the
quotes from in Dusty's case wallt Jockety and in Brian
Price's case when he got blown out Dick Williams. They
as of three o'clock this afternoon, neither on Facebook, Instagram,
or x have they mentioned changing managers. That's just kind

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of interesting to me. Jonathan India did a Q and
A with the inquired Charlie Goldsmith put this together and
go in and read it, and he talks about a
lot of things are going to change, and this is
gonna be a big off season of change. And he discussed,

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you know, what happened with the base running and the defense,
and he you know, with that, he mentions there are
some things that this team needs. But he says he's
not gonna say here, and you can get that because
he's he's not gonna throw his teammates under the bus,
Charlie asks him, and I'll read it verbatim here. He says,
you say the Reds need to make a move? What
you were saying that the Reds need to spend? And

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India says, yeah, quote, yeah, it could be there's a
third there's a certain thing we need to get. He
won't say what that thing is, but he says there's
a certain thing they need to get. He also talks
about how attractive the managerial job is, which, by the way,
I tend to agree. But he's asked should the red

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spend and he wants him to spend. Here's what I
would want to know. So maybe the Reds are gonna
spend a lot of money this offseason, and by the way,
they spent a fair amount of dough last offseason.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
They did.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I mean, I'm not sure it made a lot of
sense to give jam Or Candelario a three year contract,
But okay, I probably would have gone in a different
direction than Frankie Montoss looking for a veteran arm given
the fact that he pitched in one game last season.
But all right, and look, some of the moves did
work out. Nick Martinez ended up being a pretty nice addition.
No issue with him. But I also believe that you

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have in Jonathan India, and I'm sure a handful of
other guys players who wonder why wasn't more done, Why
wasn't more done this past offseason? Why wasn't more done
to maybe build depth that got tested once the injury
started to kind of take hold. Why weren't they more
aggressive in taking last year's team and its young foundation

(26:21):
and adding to it with established players. I wonder, whether
it's Jonathan India or any number of guys, if you
said to him.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right, here's the deal, man.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
A team with, by its own acknowledgment, limited resources, is
gonna pay David Bell millions of dollars over the next
two years to not work for the Reds. Is that
a better allocation of financial resources? Or is taking that
money that you're now going to pay for another manager

(26:54):
and spending it on a player like an outfielder, an
actual outfielder with some in his bat. Is that a
better allocation of financial resources? Would you rather we spend
money on another manager, so we're paying two or a
right fielder or somebody who can help fortify the staff
and has actually been through a full big league season before,

(27:17):
because none of the other starting pitchers have. I think
that would be an interesting question to ask a guy
like Jonathan India, would you rather spend the money on
two managers or keep the.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Guy you had?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Maybe sit down with him and talk about his approach
to his job and correcting stuff and holding.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Players more accountable.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
But then take the money that you're gonna be paying
for a new guy like you know, I see folks
that want to hire Terry Francota, which awesome Hall of
Fame manager, Right, can you convince him to not retire
or to come out of retirement.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Chances are you're gonna have to pay him a lot.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Well, if we're unlimited to what we're spending, that's one thing.
But if there's only so much we can spend on
next year's team, I'm gonna be honest with you, not
that interested in spending it on a manager. But I'd
be willing to bet that there's a lot of guys
on the team, including Jonathan India, that if you said
to him, we can spend money on a manager or
spend money on you know, players on the roster, they

(28:14):
would say, yeah, spend money on players all the time,
especially given the fact that I feel like, if I'm
reading kind of between the lines here with Jonathan India,
that there is a frustration with what they didn't do
to the team last offseason.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Right, So they spent, but they only spent.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
So much, and what they spent money on was kind
of inherently flawed. Jamber Candelario is not a great hitter,
and Frankie Montaz pitched in one game last year. You
could have spent more for better players, better upgrades, you didn't,
But now you got money to waste on a manager
who's not gonna work for you next year. I think

(28:54):
it would be fascinating to kind of run that scenario
past a guy like Jonathan India, and maybe a handful
of other players on the team as well. Franchise of
Limited Resources can next year and the year after, by
the way, pay two different managers.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Now, maybe they have.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Reservoirs of money. They did draw pretty well this year.
I think they averaged close to twenty five thousand fans
a game. Maybe they have these deep reservoir reservoirs of
money that enable them to pay freely and openly and
liberally on anything and so it's not a big deal
if they're paying a manager to not work for them,
but also paying another manager. By the way managerial salaries

(29:40):
have gone up, you can think Craig Counsel for that.
David Bell was the beneficiary of that. I don't know, man.
Chances are that's not the case. And so if there's
only a X amount of dollars to spend on making
next year's team better, I'll be honest with you, and
I bet John India would agree with me. I'd rather
that money be spent on the roster of players then the.

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what that means, right, means uh, well, the Reds aren't
gonna be in the playoffs, and it means college basketball
teams have started to practice which is when we start
getting college basketball coaches on. So Wes Miller's going to
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Speaker 3 (31:18):
Phil is with us. Phil, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
How are you.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Well? Mom?

Speaker 8 (31:24):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Man?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I'd never been better? What's going on?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
So?

Speaker 8 (31:31):
I share your love hate relationship with the elon Musk
social media platform that no one really knows the name of.
And and I'm already tired of Well he should be
manager because he's an ex red and I just keep
thinking of myself, have you seen have you seen last

(31:53):
thirty years? Like it's been thirty years of uneven roster constructions,
bad fundamentals. Is that really what we want to piece
this next generation of young stars? Oh? Like, I'm not
interested in anybody that's not named Derek Johnson or doesn't

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have a ring on their finger.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I think there's I think there's I think there's some
validity to that. And you know, not that they haven't
had players come through who you know would be good
in the dugout. I just I want to do a search.
And whenever someone says, you know, whenever somebody nominates their
favorite former Red, that tells me they're not really interested
in a search. You know, I brought this up as

(32:37):
it relates to to Barry Larkin. If if you want
to tell me that you'll do a comprehensive search, talk
to as many people as possible, interview folks from other organizations,
turn over every stone, and at the end of all
that you conclude that Barry Larkin is the best possible manager. Awesome,
But if we're just gonna do it because well, he
used to play here and he might sell some tickets

(32:58):
and it's a cool store and fans are gonna be excited.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I have no interest in that.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
I mean, Aris used to play here.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Why not?

Speaker 8 (33:11):
I mean one thing though, one more.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Thing, I also quickly, and then I'll let you finish.
I also feel like, like, how often does that really work?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Like I tend to think there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Why Don Mattingly didn't manage the Yankees, and why Paul
Malletor didn't manage the Brewers, and why Ryan Sanmdberg didn't
manage the Cubs. You know, like I I'm old enough
to remember when Pete Rose was the manager here and
before he got in trouble with baseball, the conversations that
we had about like all right, like have we gone
as far as we're gonna go with Pete? And then
how do you move on from a franchise? I com

(33:45):
like that now Pete took care of that himself, But
like those are I think there's a reason why you
don't see that happen that often, because if the guy fails,
it could be really messy. And I think oftentimes, if
you're even thinking about a higher end, the player, the
former player who is a big part of the team,
it's not because anybody thinks he's actually the best, the
best guy for the job.

Speaker 8 (34:08):
Now, I that like, how do you how do you?
You just can't blow out an icon?

Speaker 6 (34:15):
You can't. You just can't do it.

Speaker 8 (34:17):
So so it hamstrings ownership's hands. Although maybe our ownership
should have their hands tied, but that's that's another story
for another day. How many more times is the Bengals
punter going to punt this season? I think it can't
be more than ten. I think this team pretty much
is in we have to go for it on every

(34:38):
fourth down because have you seen the defense?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, you know that.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
The shame of it is they changed the kickoff rules
so you can't try onside kicks until the fourth quarter, right,
I mean, like the game the other night. I'm thinking,
like the old way of doing things, i would just
try an onside kick in the third quarter because if
you give the ball back, you're gonna The're gonna score anyway,
so you might as well try to steal a possession.
U I think the bigger question is how how many
games will the other teams punter not step onto the

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field unless he's holding for pats and field goals?

Speaker 7 (35:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Could you get a prop bet?

Speaker 6 (35:10):
Where it's like equal, like.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Dude, like, if you find it, let me know, I'll
put city on that.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
See what I could do? Pheil good good to talk
to you. I you know, the whole higher our favorite
former player thing.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I just skip.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Schumacher played here, and he has managed, and there are
probably some very very good reasons to at least vet
him and David Ross played here.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
He's not really identified. It's a remedy.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
He's a manager and manage the Cubs, and so okay, fine,
I just the the idea of well, this guy like
I grew up idolizing Barry Larkin. So I mean, as
a lover of narratives and stories, the idea of coming
back and managing the Reds is awesome. But as a

(36:04):
practical manner, he's been retired for more than twenty years.
He has talked publicly about wanting to manage, but he
hasn't managed. Like he he hasn't gone to work for
a minor league team. He hasn't gone, I mean, he hasn't.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
So like, how.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
How how seriously is am I supposed to take his
statement about wanting to I don't know, And again, like
if he turns into the guy or any of those
former players becomes the guy, and he's the guy after
you have done and I parped on this for years,
an exhaustive search, then you know terrific. But I'm I'm

(36:44):
I'm not interested in elevate a guy because he's going
to sell some tickets or hire somebody because it's gonna
be a fun press conference.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I want the very best manager.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
The last manager to win the World Series with the
Reds had no ties to Cincinnati, had no ties to
the organization before he got here. The last manager to
advance in the postseason with the Reds had no previous
ties to Cincinnati, had not worked for the Reds, had
not played for the Reds. The last manager in a

(37:17):
full season to take the Reds to the playoffs was
a Dodger as a player, and a Giant and a
Cub as a manager. I could not care less about
where they come from. Are they from Cincinnati? Did they
used to play for the Reds. I do not care
Hire the best person, the most qualified person, person who
can best hold players accountable, the person who can best

(37:38):
balance newer ways of thinking with old school methods. Somebody
who's in concert with the front office and go from there,
and if that person happens to be someone who once
wore a reds uniform, awesome. If that person is working
for the Colorado Rockies right now, kind of doubt they.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Are, but awesome.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I just It's why this is like my least favorite
topic in sports talk radio.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Who should they hire?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Because if we just make it about the people that
we know best, it's gonna be any number of former
players people in the area. The job of Nick Crawl,
the job of an executive like him, is to cast
a wide net, find as many candidates as possible, interview
as many of them, gain outside perspective, and pick the

(38:25):
best one.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Hire the best one.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
I just the.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I am uninterested in hire this guy because he used
to play. Here just is the laziest and dumbest way
to pick a manager, And unfortunately, I can't completely rule
that out as a possibility if ownership is that involved
with hiring the manager. We're here at top Buffalo Wild
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Speaker 2 (39:16):
In ten days.

Speaker 11 (39:17):
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starts again and it won't be easy against the Minnesota defense.
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We're sending guys all over the place at to or
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this Packers' offense, if he's out there, they may decide
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trying to slow down the pressure that Brian Flores can bring.

Speaker 13 (39:52):
Defensive coordinator Brian Flores unit leads the NFL with sixteen sacks.
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All right, that's us. It's four oh seven the CSPN
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at Buffalo Wild Wings and Hamilton Bridgewater Falls. It has
been quite a while since I've been in this area. Aside,
how far away are we from Oxford? Work twenty minutes?

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Go to Oxford two weeks ago for the Battle for
the Victory bell like Miami Red Hawks country.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
We were here at a Buffalo Wild Wings every single week,
typically on Tuesday. Obviously, with the Bengals Monday night football game,
we had to slide everything back a week, and so
we're here today untill six o'clock. Our friends at bud
Light have given us Bengals Steelers tickets. That game is
December the first. We have one pair we'll give away
to one lucky winner. We've got some cool Bengals hoodies
thanks to bud Light, a very cool Bengals cooler.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
We've got.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I get the All American burger here at Buffalo Wild
Wings because it's terrific.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I've become predictable.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
My producer, Rodney Simpson, when I got here, said to me,
let me guess all American burger.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yes, at Bacon to it.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
But of course you can get the Wings, get any
number of things, get a nice cold bud Light, come out,
hang out with us.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
We are here until six o'clock. I'll chat with you.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
See men's basketball coach Wes Miller coming up in just
about fifteen minutes, looking forward to that. And are the
Reds admitting that the manager is not that important? That
coming up here in in just a bit plus Brendanman
and Jones on baseball, and I get to get to
my UC football thing as well. So in twenty twenty one,

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the Bengals went to the Super Bowl, and the primary
reason why.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Is they had Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
That goes without saying, right, I mean everything, everything sort
of comes back to that. The success the Bengals have
enjoyed since twenty twenty one, relative as it may be,
if you're listing reasons for it, drafting Joe Burrow and
him for the most part living up to the hype
is at the top of the list of reasons. And
whatever shortcomings they've had since, primarily due to injuries that

(42:44):
he has suffered, so we understand that. But go back
to that year twenty twenty one. In the postseason, Joe
was great at not turning it over, and I don't
think in real time got enough credit for playing behind
it all offensive line that was garbage, but still not

(43:04):
turning the football over. He got sacked a lot, he
got hit a bunch, but the sacks didn't turn into
fumbles and the pressures didn't turn into picks. And you
can win a lot of games, even in the playoffs
by simply not making mistakes on offense, especially.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
If you have a really opportunistic defense.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
And really, why that team won excuse me, three playoff games,
was the defense is really good. The defense was really
opportunistic right got turnovers in all three of those games
at precisely the right time all three of them, and
they also got a lead special teams play. Evan McPherson
made arguably the two biggest kicks in the history of

(43:43):
the franchise against Tennessee and Kansas City. Even if you
go back to the next season, why did they beat
the Baltimore Ravens in large part because Sam Hubbard took
a fumble back ninety eight yards?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Why did they beat the Buffalo Bills?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Primary reason that I think of is cam Taylor Britt
had a pick a pick and they were dominant against
against the Buffalo offense.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Also, the offensive line played really well. Joe Burrow was
good in that game.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
But like five playoff wins, largely on the strength of
really good defense. In none of those games did you
say they won in spite of the defense. It was
often with the defense being a very major reason why
in some cases the reason why. So twenty twenty one,
then there's this year. What we saw on Monday Night,

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Like we're not supposed to be seeing things that make
us reminisce or make us think about Marvin Lewis's last year.
But the last time I saw the Bengals defense look
as helpless as it did on Monday was when the
New Orleans Saints carved him up in a game at
at the time Paul Brown Stadium in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That led to Terrell Austin losing his job.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Like I think we had all hoped that we weren't
gonna have to revisit those days anytime soon. When the
Bengals fielded a history bad defense, what we saw on
Monday reminded me of that.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
And so now where do we go from here?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Well, obviously, you hope that Sheldon Rankins comes back sooner
rather than later, and you hope that bj Hill comes
back sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And you hope that Chris.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Jenkins can be a help, and you hope that some
of the guys in the secondary can can perform better,
and maybe Jordan Battle at some point gets an opportunity.
But look at that defense in twenty twenty one, admittedly
sort of anonymous compared to some of the other better
teams in the league, But look at that unit and
you'll see Larry Yogunjobi, You'll see DJ Reader you'll see

(45:39):
Chodobie Wuzie, You'll see Jesse Bates, You'll see a twenty
seven year old Von Belt. In any of those cases,
was the player that I named replaced eventually in twenty
twenty four by someone better.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Like that's the thing for me.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
You can rush lou Anarumo, and when your defense performs
as poorly as it did on Monday, criticism is going
to be aimed at the defensive coordinator. And you can
dump on Zach Taylor if you want. He's the head
coach and his team is zero to three, and you
could certainly expect more from certain players.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
But like we.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
To a degree, are sort of living off the fumes
of twenty twenty one and assuming this team is going
to be okay, and it's still Burrow and it's still Chase,
and it's still the Bengals in this Super Bowl window.
But when the window opened, look at who was on
that defense, even the players who remain. Sam Hubbard was
twenty six during the twenty twenty one season. You do

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the math, you know how old he is now, He's
pushing up on thirty. Trey Hendrickson is as dominant as
he was against the Kansas City Chiefs. Reason why the
Bengals didn't give him a two year longer than a
two year contract extension is it's going to be thirty
before the season ends. Von Bell love Von Bell, right,
Glad Von Bell's back. We keep talking about how good

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he is at fostering communication. Guy's gonna be thirty before
the season ends. And then there are the players who left.
Jesse Bates at the time was a twenty four year
old safety who admittedly didn't have a great season that year,
but was awesome in the playoffs. He's playing like the
best safety in the sport. Have they replaced him with
anybody close to his good Well? No, because first of all,

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they tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That works
so poorly. They moved him to corner. And since they
haven't found anybody as good, have they replaced Chadobia Woozier?
Cam Taylor brit is a good player, but he is
essentially in that role. He's not what Chadobi A. Woozier
was during his best seasons in Cincinnati. Where on the
defense from a personnel perspective, are they better? Have they

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replaced Dj Reeder from that year, who was arguably that
the second most valuable player on the team. Have they
replaced Larry ogin Joe who got hurt in the playoffs
that year but had like seven sacks in the regular season.
Where have they gotten better? Where have the Bengals found
players on defense who either represent upgrades from what the

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Bengals had in twenty twenty one or are suitable replacements
from players who have left from twenty twenty one. And
not all of this is anybody's fault. You know, it's
no one's fault that Miles Murphy has not been able
to play because he's been injured. That's nobody's fault. Somebody's
fault that McKinley Jackson hasn't had a chance to show

(48:35):
what he can do, whatever that is, because he's been hurt.
But you know, of the players they've brought in, the
secondary is still a work in progress. The safety position
on Monday was terribly disappointing. I'm not totally sure why
Jordan Battle hasn't played more than one snap this season,
But like we keep talking about this super Bowl window

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and they're in the super Bowl window when the window open,
look at that defense. There wasn't a starter on that
unit older than twenty seven years old, some of those
players have naturally moved on. Who have they replaced him with?
Who have they drafted on that side of the ball.
There's a lot of Joseph Osai there. There's a lot
of and it sounds like I'm picking on him. There's

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a lot of Dax Hill there. There's a lot of
Jordan Battle there, who they thought so highly of his
high pro football focused great last year they went overboard
to try to replace him. Von bell is back. Chances
are at his age now, he's not the player that
he was when he's twenty seven years old. So, like,
I think that's the exercise that makes most sense to do.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Right. The twenty twenty one defense, you.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Know, might not as been overwhelmingly as statistically proficient as
some of the best defenses we've seen in the league,
but Hella was good against the teams that were toughest
in the games that mattered most. So then to now,
is there anywhere they've gotten better? Is there anywhere where
you could say they're better now than.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
They were back then? If the answer is no, WHOA.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
What precisely is is Luin Orrumo supposed to do to
achieve results that look like twenty twenty one. Now, you
might argue you don't need the twenty twenty one defense
when your offensive plays as well as it did against Washington,
and there's there's some validity to that. But as we
try to figure out how this defense is going to
get better, and that's the main issue right now, we

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went into the season thinking they were gonna be bad
against the run, So it's not surprising they're bad against
the run. When last season ended, we said they're bad
against the run and they're gonna say good bye to
DJ Reader. Well, what's to make any of us believe
they were gonna be better against the run when they
weren't that aggressive? And addressing that position, where have they
gotten better from a personnel perspective? So to me, there's

(50:48):
luck there and there's there's some things that you can't control,
But there's also Duke Tobin. You know, when you have
a when you have a program in place, you're gonna
lose guys. They leave via free agency, they get old,
you let them go. Because they're get old, you don't
renew their contracts, you let them age away. Some players
outprice themselves. Maybe there's a position that you don't value

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by the way, they should perhaps rethink how much they
value safety because Jesse Bates is playing at an elite
level with the Atlanta Falcons. But from then to now
they've gotten either worse, or they've stayed the same, or
they've gotten older nearly everywhere. So why am I to
expect unless there's something totally unforeseen, dramatically different results from

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a defense that on Monday night looked old, slow and soft.
And those are not words we use to describe that
defense from three years ago. Eighteen after four o'clock five
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weeks away. Cincinnati in an exhibition game for charity at home.
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at UC, Wes Miller, is always kind enough to join
us when we ask, and he's with us now.

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We asked, he's here, coach, how are you doing?

Speaker 11 (52:57):
Great?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Mode practice has started, so all college coaches are happy
right now. The best best time of the year as
a college basketball coach. We actually get to do what
we love doing and get out there and teach and
you know, work on bringing a team together every day.
So this is a great time to grab me. Hope
you hope you're doing well.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I'm doing well and excited to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
And you know, coaches always love to start a practice right,
I've got to think in this climate, whether you love
it dislike it, things about it you love, things about
it you don't love. I've got to think in this climate,
to be able to get in the gym with your
guys is even more welcome than maybe it was just
a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
You know, I've never taken this part for granted, right,
It's it's in my tenure. I think this is year
fourteen for me as a head coach, that those first
couple of days when you get back on the practice
court on a day to day basis. You know, years
ago we couldn't do anything in the summertime, but you
know now we do the summer. We do false stuff.

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So it's not like it was when you started on
October fifteenth and you had to wait all year. But
it's still special. It really is. And you know you
mentioned it. There's a lot of different things about college basketball.
The job is very different than it was even three
or four years ago. But the part about getting out
in the court, and like I said, you know, teaching,

(54:19):
bringing a team together, working with young people, that's the
part that's still the same and that I think a
lot of us got into it for that reason. So yeah,
this is always a cool time of year.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I think the thing for me, just looking at it
from where I said it is I love to me,
it feels like it close to perfect mix of continuity
players that have come back, players that are still developing
and have a lot of upside, with some guys who
come in from other programs, and incoming players as freshmen
that I think can add to your program and maybe

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give your team.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Some things that lacked last year. Is that a fair
way of looking at things.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I love the positive outlook there. But you know, when
coaches hear the word perfect, they freak out. So I
would never say anything perfect. But what I will say, listen,
I like the everybody likes their team this time of year.
If you don't like your team right now or the
construction of your roster, you're in big trouble. But we do.
But we genuinely do. We're not just saying that, not

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just the you know, having the right talent or you
to mix up of players as you mentioned, but they're
just really good kids. They're bought into being here, They've
had phenomenal work ethic over the off season. I think
in this era that it's even more rare to find
kids that are willing to sacrifice to the team. They

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all want to have a great year. So in a
lot of different ways, we're excited about this group, but
we're far from perfect, and we have a ton of
work to do to be a competitive team with what
we have ahead of us this year.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
All right, So let's look at the coming weeks between
now and when you play a game that counts on
that list of things that you have to address that
has to get better.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
What are the things at the top of it.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Well, I think you know, first off, we have to
figure out our identity defensively and on the backboards. And
that probably just sounds like old coach talk. I mean
I think we really do. We're long and rangy and
versatile and athletic, but we still have to be a
team that can really defend every possession and can really
rebound and not give teams extra possessions. That is not

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what we spent the summer on, right, I mean, we
spent the summer on other things. That's what we're going
to spend the majority of the next five or six
weeks on. So we're we're ready to take the floor
to be the kind of team that we have to
be to be successful.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I feel like the last couple of years, we do
this interview and we have a conversation about players who
have come back, and every year I ask, Okay, what's
the next step for Dan? What's the next step for
Dan's killings? You've got a long list of guys that
I can't wait to watch. But from last year to
this year, where's he better?

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Daniel? You mentioned, Yeah, you know, I think overall maturity,
And that might sound like a cop out answer if
you're looking for something very specific, but you know, Dan
started playing the game late. You know, he didn't grow
up playing it every day and playing on you know, teams,

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youth teams and things of that nature. You know, so
if he's become more mature as a basketball player, you know,
everything seems to get better, you know, with his game.
And so I think he has such a better awareness
of what it takes in college basketball, at the highest
levels of college basketball. You know, he understands what's going

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on out there on the floor. It wasn't that he
wasn't intelligent, he just had not been exposed. And so
you just feel like he's now settled into what this
really is. I think that vodes well for him to
show improvement in a ton of different areas out on
the court. But he's so much more mature than he
was this time last year.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Give me an outlook year or two of Gisel James.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Yeah, you know, you know you always bank on that
freshman the sophomore bump being you know, a big opportunity
for growth. There's so many examples of that every single
year in our sport. You know, you know we're we're
hoping on that with Gizl. He's done his part this offseason.
You know, his shooting has improved, his decision makings improved.

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You know, he already had a college ready body, but
he's refined it again. I think when you're a freshman,
there's a lot of things going on that you know,
you don't understand because you're going through it for the
first time and the world probably feels like it's spending
one hundred miles an hour. You know, the game has
slowed down to him a little bit on both ends.
But I say all this, I hate these questions most

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because we only had two practices, So you know, I
can tell you more in January at least after through
the preseason, but no through the summer. In the fall,
you know, Gigsel did not look like a freshman anymore.
You know, he went from a freshman to a sophomore.
We all know his ability, So that's been a really
good sign. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I could keep you forever and ask about every individual
player that you've brought into the program.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I'm not going to do that to you.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
So we'll sort of combine the players that you've brought
in from other programs together and give me a sense
of where you believe that group of kids can give you,
maybe on the offensive end, some things that you couldn't
quite get from last year's group.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yeah. So the transfers, I mean, you know, Connor Hickman
coming from Bradley, I felt like he was one of
the best guards in a great mid major conference in
the Missouri Valley last year. You know, the conference that
is well coached, really smart, skilled players, and players that
have left that conference to go on to leagues like

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ourson had success, and we thought he was one of
the best players in that league. He's been great. He's solid,
he's tough, he's skilled, he can play both positions in
the backcourt. Which was really important to us that we had,
you know, the depth at point guard, but then the
ability to slide over and you know, ad shooting and skill.

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But I think what what our our our fans will
be proud of is that, Yeah, he's he's skilled, he
shoots it, you know, makes good decisions, but he's tough
like bearcats are tough. And I think he really fits us.
I wish I wish he was only wasn't only here
for a year. I've been so thrilled with him throughout
the summer, in the preseason. And then you know, Dylan Mitchell,

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you know, just adds that that size and length, uh,
but with a with a level of versatility that's very unique,
you know. I mean he handles the ball. Uh. He's
a great runner and finisher and transition. But we've been
we've been blown away with this decision making almost like
a point forward in a lot of ways. And then

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obviously he's got the ability defensively to do so many
things and then impact the back ford and he's proven it.
He's he's done it already in our league at a
high level.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
So so excited about him. And then Arrington Page gives
us you know needed depth and talent in the front court.
You know, he's a guy that is still young and
still growing at a really fast rate. But as he contend,
he's going to grow, and as he grows, and you know,
his maturity on the court catches up to his talent,

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he's got a chance to be a really special player.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
You know, I'm old enough to remember when the season
would start, like on November thirtieth, right, or sometimes you know,
even going way back when early December you're going to
play a game that counts on November the fourth, And
you know, college basketball is different because there's more player movement.
Are there unique challenges maybe relative to when you first

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got into it in terms of building cohesiveness, building chemistry
that you put a premium on in the offseason because
of just how things work now in college basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
It's a great question and or statement with the question, right,
it's accurate though. I mean, you know, I think for
us to be the team that we have to be
this year that I think we're capable of being, our
continuity has to matter. You know, we're not going to
just be good because we return a bunch of impact players.

(01:02:16):
But we do return a bunch of impact players, and
if we're going to be as good as I want
to be, that has to be a huge positive, you know,
and it's on us to go do the work to
make sure that occurs. I say that within your question
for this reason. You know, it is harder than ever
to instill values in a team, to bring a team together,

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to get people to understand what they represent by putting
this jersey on, because of all the movement and turnover.
But this year we have quite a bit of continuity
on the roster and we return a bunch of impact players.
Hopefully we're a step ahead in that way. And I
say hopefully because it's on us to make sure we are.

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But that should be a positive for a good team.
In fact, it will be a positive if we're a
good team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
One thing that has changed in this sport since you know,
I started following it. There used to be two exhibition games,
you know, against traveling club teams, or you might play
a Division two or three school and there was benefit
to that. Maybe sometimes those games weren't quite as competitive
as we would like. And then you've been allowed to
play secret scrimmages and then dorks like me have to
go on the internet and see if anybody leaked to

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box score. You're going to play an exhibition game against
a high major opponent with fans in your own building,
and there's a great charitable component which I do not
want to overlook, but walk me through some of the
benefits of playing Ohio State in front of people as
a quote dress rehearsal a couple of weeks before you
play a real game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Well, first of all, you know, roles continue to evolve
and change the dis alarming rate, So the ability to
do something like this, I would imagine we'd have been
doing stuff like this ten years ago if it was
if it was if you were capable of it. So
you know that part of it. But I'm glad you
mentioned it. You know there's a bigger picture behind this,
and it's to raise money and awareness for mental health,

(01:04:08):
and you know, like I'm glad to be a part
of it. I'm glad that the four you know, power
basketball programs in the state of Ohio are all participating this.
And I give Anthony Granted Dayton a lot of credit.
He started this process that we're now involved with in
Ohio State and Savior as well. He started this over

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a year ago, and they did a game like this
last year up at Daton against Ohio State that I
know was a success. So it's great to get involved
with that on some level. So yeah, that part's good,
I think in terms of just the benefit and value
of it for the growth of our team. You know,

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we would do something like that behind closed doors anyway
over the years, those two you know, closed door scrimmages
that are technically supposed to be seek right, but we're
never secret. I always found that be pretty funny, you know,
and I always thought it was really funny how you
play a scrimmage like that, and you know, the way
that you'd play the scrimmage would be very different than

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how you coach a game, and I imagine most coaches
do it that way. And then people will be reporting
on scores and stuff, and it's like it wasn't a game,
you know, it was a you know, a simulation, but
it you know, maybe you had a segment where you
didn't play normal rotations, or you know, you maybe had
a segment you only played zone or things like that,
and then people reported on it. So I'm actually glad,

(01:05:33):
glad to be getting away from that crap. But but
sorry for the ramto how do you get going?

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
But looks as somebody who has spent way too much
time in his life trying to find out what went
down in those secret scrimmages.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
I'm happy too.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Oh yeah, we just laugh about it when people would
report stuff on it. And as I've told young coaches,
you know, I said, when that stuff happens, don't worry
because next week everybody will forget about it. Count anyway
and that type of thing. But so I think with
the game like this, you'll get the same benefit that
you get out of that. It's a chance to see

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a different jersey in front of you, to get defended
differently than you defend each other in practice, you know,
to guard different things than you're accustomed to garden and
to kind of get a real view of where you stand,
you know, in terms of the things you're doing. I mean,
you think you do that every day and your practices,
but when you see somebody else that you get more
out of that that one time in the preseason against

(01:06:33):
another opponent then you get out of a week of practice.
So I think we'll still get that. But now you
add fans in the building, and I think that's really
good for players too, so they've you know, they've experienced
playing in front of people and gotten some of the
jitters out by the time you take the floor for real,
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Always good to have you. I'm sure I'll bother you
during the season. Thank you as always, coach.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Me there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Wes Miller, head men's basketball coach at the University of Cincinnati.
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Quickly Bengals first injury report of Week four, Jamar Chases
on it listed as limited with a shoulder injury. Trey Hendrickson,
who is the only good pass rusher the Bengals have,
did not practice due to and illness. Chris Jenkins, who
obviously played on Monday night with a club on his

(01:08:06):
surgically repaired thumb.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
He was a full go today.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
So again the headliner there, Jamar Chase, who played terrific
against Washington, on the report with a shoulder issue. We
will obviously monitor that as the week's unfold. That to me,
I know, the Trent Brown got injured in the game,
which sucks, and Amrius Mims left I think a little
to be desired, and that's not the biggest crime ever,

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given the fact it was his first real NFL action.
They wasted a really good offensive performance. They also wasted
a really good offensive performance by a healthy offensive unit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
And you know how this sport works.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Man, I mean, how many how many games are they
gonna have everybody together? How many games are they gonna
have everybody on the field? How many games? Now they
gonna have Chase and Higgins and Burrow and the tight
ends and Chase Brown and Zack Moss. That's when you're
and again, I know they're dealing with health issues on defense,
but when your hole in the area of the team

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that is sort of at your core, your identity, boy,
you've you've got to take advantage. Bengals did not How
many times will they play this year and not turn
it over? How many times will they play this year
never punt? How many times will they not turn it
over and never punt? When you do those things, it's
like a baseball team that scores twelve runs. You gotta

(01:09:27):
win the games rea score twelve runs. You gotta win
the games where you get good starting pitching because you
know that they're in a limited supply, some teams less
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(01:11:24):
I'll tell you the move the Bengals should have made yesterday,
and you're gonna tell me I'm stupid, and that's okay.
So there's been just a lot of stuff right this offseason,
this training camp, just noise stuff. I don't want to
say contraversy, but like the Bengals have been talked about

(01:11:45):
a lot over the last couple of months for reasons
that don't have nearly as much to do with the
nuts and bolts of the twenty twenty four team winning
football games. T Higgins trade request, Trey Hendrickson's trade request,
the Jamar Chase contract situation, Jamar saying the team the

(01:12:06):
Bengals of the team to beat in the AFC, cam
Taylor britt and the college offense remark which frankly I
thought he was accurate. Uh, just the vibes don't feel great.
The team looks slow, the team feels a little stale.
I was on Danner's podcast today and I talked about

(01:12:29):
this a little bit. I went to the game on
Monday night and where we sit is behind the visitors bench,
like that side of the stadium because it's the sun
side of the stadium when the weather gets cooler, and
so pretty close to the visitors bench. And it reminded
me of twenty twenty one being a Bengals fan. There's
something really cool about watching a fan base, or being

(01:12:51):
a part of a fan base, and even watching the
team realize like, man, we got our guy. We We
could debate how good Jade Daniels is going to be,
but if you're a commander, you got to feel like,
you know what, we we might have something here. It
feels like they've got their head coach, offensive play caller
in Cliff Kingsbury knows what he's doing, and Jayden Daniels
is I think a guy that you could at least
feel like we can move forward with and is better

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than anybody we've had over the last couple of decades.
And you could you could see them gaining confidence. You
could see the just the the energy bubbling to the surface,
and then you look across to the other sideline. And
part of this is they spent most of the night
trailing in the football game. The body language a little
bit different, the body language not quite as enthusiastic, and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
That that maybe is just a byproduct of one side.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Of the ball performing very poorly or the sobering reality
setting in that you're likely to be zero to three.
It was just striking, and so there's just the vibes
aren't great. Defense, looks slow, defense, unprepared. They've lost two
games at home this year where they were more than
a touchdown favorite there owing everybody knows the math. They've

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there's been one NFL team in the twenty first century
that's made the postseason despite starting zero to three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It's not the most apples to apples.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Comparison because we're only a couple of years in to
the seventeen game schedule, but it just it feels like
there's a lot of stuff, a lot of heaviness. There's
criticism about, well, this is what happens when you don't
pay your players. This is what happens when you don't
invest in your best guys. This is what happens when
players on the in the locker room look at what's
happened with Jamar Chase, and they they it affects them.

(01:14:31):
It affects them in a negative way. So here's what
I think the Bengals should have done. I think yesterday
they should have called up Jamar Chase, sat down with him,
and given him a blank contract. Can you imagine for
maybe even just a few hours, the surge of optimism,

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enthusiasm that would have permeated through the fan base, the city.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
And I'm guessing to a degree the football team had
they done that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I know I said I wasn't gonna talk about Jamar
Chase's contract thing anymore, and it appears to be a
dead issue, at.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Least for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
But you know, we brought this up a couple of
weeks ago when they stopped negotiating, and the Bengals won't
do deals while the season is underway, and I don't know, man,
desperate times call for you to sometimes step out of
your comfort zone. If I'm the Brown family, I show
up at work on Tuesday morning, I just watched what
I watched. I saw Jamar play great. By the way,

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the vibes aren't great. There's a lot of negativity, a
lot of talk of noise, a lot of talk of uncertainty,
a lot of discussions about how Jamar's contract or deal
is of impacting the team.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
How much it is or not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I don't know, but you've already said you're gonna pay him,
like your owner, the team's owner has stated that publicly,
you know what, go ahead and get it to I'd
have done it yesterday off day, right, I'd have gotten
it done.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
We'd have shown up at work yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
We're calling Jamar's agent, all right, when do you want
the guaranteed money to kick in? That reportedly was the
only sticking point. Let's go ahead and get this done.
First of all, it advances the conversation just a little bit.
It crosses something off the list of things that players
and coaches have to answer to. It removes some uncertainty.

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My guess is it creates a degree of energy, a
degree of enthusiasm for.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
A team that could use those things.

Speaker 9 (01:16:30):
Like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
It's one thing if it's a player that you haven't
made up your mind we're gonna pay or not. It's
one thing if it's a guy that you're publicly sort
of distancing yourself from the idea of keeping him long term.
They have said they're gonna pay him. Why then would
you would you not just call him up and go, look, man,
this isn't working. It's not working this year. We need

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something to change the mind, to change the vibe, change
the mood, maybe get people refocused.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
You were great last night, you're a great player. We
want to keep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Let's go ahead, Let's give you what you want. It's
one less thing. It's one less piece of uncertainty. And
who knows, like maybe that's a bit of a a
rallying point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Maybe it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Maybe it serves no purpose, maybe it doesn't help. Maybe
the players react negatively. Okay, well, you were gonna sign
them anyway, So what's the heart You're zero and free.
You're gonna sign them anyway, So what's the downside? Go
ahead and get it done, and maybe there's no real
effect on this season. Fine, Okay, well then worst case,
you don't have to go into next offseason worrying about

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signing Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I'd have done it, man. I know that's not their
biggest issue right now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Their biggest issue is their defense is terrible chances are
that's not gonna change all that dramatically. They're not gonna
turn into a good run defense, probably not overnight gonna
turn into a team that's great at getting after the quarterback.
They've got holes, they gotta figure out a way to
work through them. But to just change the mood a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Sometimes stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Sometimes a mood change can make people more productive, give
people a little, i don't know, more incentive to do
their jobs. It sounds stupid, but I think it would work.
I'd have had that thing done yesterday. I'd had the
press conference today, and there wouldn't be that many questions
about the zero to three start, the difference between the
offense and the defense. Chances are there would be at

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least a slight positive effect. And again, you've already said
publicly we're going to bend over backwards to sign them.
What would the harm have been in doing it yesterday.
It's one less thing to think about, it's one less
thing to worry about, and I think there would have
been an infusion of energy and an injection of positivity
that this team, quite frankly, could really really use. Twelve

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Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
He is going to break down the tape with us.
Coming up in just about ten minutes. We've touched on
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team Carson Spyers started Freddy couldn't make Carson a better starter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
More on that coming up in just a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
You know, I was talking with Tony Pike yesterday on
the Tony and Moo Football Show about the two wins
that you see has had since the Pittsburgh loss, and
like that was rock bottom. It was how they lost,
it was who they lost too. It was also a
loss for a coach that when he took the job
here wasn't exactly universally embraced. He didn't have a good

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season last year, and so you have a lot of
folks who were they decided that once and for all,
they're out there done with Scott Saderfield. And if that's
you today, that's okay. What I do think you have
to give the coach and the players credit for It's
one thing to lose game two of the season, something

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else entirely for them to lose the way they did.
On the postgame show on the Air with Dan, Jim
and Toni after the game, I openly wondered out loud, like, emotionally,
are they gonna move on and be able to function
in the week leading up to the Miami game. I
think what we've seen since the Pittsburgh game is, first

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of all, an offense that has some pieces. Good offensive line,
two really good running backs, a tight end who's a
pro perhaps an all big twelve guy in the outside,
and Xavier Henderson good offensive line quarterback who can throw
it mechanically speaking. There's some really good pieces, and those
pieces I think have made the offense look pretty well designed.

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But I think emotionally and I know this is not
a place where a lot of people are gonna want
to go, mainly because they've just decided they're out on
Scott sadderfield. The way the team didn't for lack of
a better way of putting it, bury its head, the
way the team bounced back, the way the team embraced
the Miami rivalry. The way the team for the most

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part looked ready to play, and the way the team
dominated their opponent this past Saturday. Now it's a different
animal going on the road against Texas Texas Tech on
this coming Saturday. But I think there's something to be
said about a coaching staff and a group of players
that doesn't let the residue from an extraordinarily disappointing loss

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to sort of affect the team moving forward. If you
watch the game against Houston on Saturday, you did not
see a team that was dealing with the lingering effects
of how they lost that Pittsburgh game. They didn't play
perfect against Miami, but if you watch the RedHawks game,
you didn't see a team that was dealing with the
lingering after effects of how they blew that game a

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twenty one point lead to Pittsburgh in the third quarter
at home. I think there's a measure of credit the
coaching staff deserves for something like that. Sixteen after five o'clocker.
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Speaker 7 (01:23:01):
No, I'm doing well. You know, one day we're going
to talk about these Bengals after a win.

Speaker 9 (01:23:06):
Unfortunately this is not the time we do it. But
of course I spent time watching that Bengals film.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
You know, even when you don't win, so much to
learn from, hopefully enough to build off of. And we'll
be able to see that soon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
So I want to start with what Washington did. Because
Cam Taylor Britt called it a college offense. Maybe he
shouldn't have said it. That's the frustrating thing to me, though,
I don't think he was wrong, and they still scored
every time they touched the football.

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with calling offenses
college offenses, and if they're gonna score points on you,
it doesn't matter if it's the high school offense, points
are gonna be points. And you know, the Commanders did
a good job of putting Jayden Daniels in situations where
he can really succeed, where he is a really positive
thrower of the deepot.

Speaker 7 (01:23:55):
It's something certainly Joe Burrow does really well for the Bengals.

Speaker 9 (01:23:58):
It's something that Daniels showed in and showed really showed
against the Bengals multiple times.

Speaker 7 (01:24:04):
So it was a good job at Washington to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:06):
And they had a.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Run scheme that I like, although overall I think the
Bengals run defense. You know, I felt a little bit
more positive when I was rewatching it. But if you
can't generate a pass rush, I don't care if it's
a pee wee offense, if it's a high school offense,
if it's the middle school offense. If you can't rush
the passer, you know, everything just unfolds from there and
really unfolded for the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Right, So given their personnel limitations, and yeah, we hope
Sheldon Rankins comes back, and we hope that bj Hill
comes back. But there are personnel limitations certainly until Miles
Murphy comes back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
How do you generate more of a pass rush?

Speaker 7 (01:24:44):
I think it it's gonna be really tough.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:24:47):
Do you move Hendrickson around a little bit? Does it
become a situation where now we just have to blitz
over and over again where we saw that that game
ender where James Gayel's able to throw a touchdown in.

Speaker 7 (01:24:58):
A situation where you do end up with that blitz
and it puts cornerbacks in tough situations.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
So you have to weigh it a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:25:06):
Are we gonna send five guys? Are we gonna play
a little bit of man coverage? Are we gonna, you know,
send the nickel or a slot cornerback and drop the
defensive end away. You really have to, I think, understand
what is the matchup that you want to take advantage of?
And can you maybe find situations where now we're isolating
a linebacker kind of pass rushing against the running back

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and kind of banking on that instead of just sending
our four regular pass rushers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
I feel like watching it in real time, the observation
that so many of us had was man, the Bengals
defense looks slow. Is when you go back and rewatch
and you watch it a little bit more critically, is
that the conclusion that you arrive at, or is that
a byproduct of there maybe being something else in play,

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like guys being at a position that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 (01:25:56):
I could understand why it feels like they're kind of
going slow. I think that that shows up when really
when they're missing tackles. So I feel like that's the
bigger focus for me than literally just a speed thing.

Speaker 9 (01:26:08):
Because there were multiple instances where it's a guy in
open space and you know, you kind of have defenders
on both sides of him, and when it ends up
being a ten yard game when it should have been
maybe one or a two yard game, it's just so
so frustrating. Because the Commanders are a team that they're
able to get yards after the catch when they throw
some of those quick screens, and just watching the miss

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tackles now piling up.

Speaker 7 (01:26:30):
Week after week is something that I think what you
do when thing.

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
About the Panthers, Like, that's a situation where the Panthers
can maybe taken advantage of that. And if it's just
an issue every single week, I don't think it matters
how faster. I think that it more matters when a
guy has the ball in space, you need to be
able to bring him down, particularly when you have two
defenders that are sort of right there in those situations.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, you know, we brought this up yesterday. Trey Hendrickson's
a terrific player. You as canny pass rusher to do
it on his own, there's gonna be a limitation to
what to what he can do beyond him. If you're
sitting down to game plan for the Bengals, if you're
an offensive coordinator, if you're Dave kan Allison and Charlotte

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and you're you're trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
All right, what am I gonna do this week?

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
I think oftentimes you look at a player or two
and say, we can't let that guy screw up our
game plan.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Bengals have anybody like that.

Speaker 9 (01:27:27):
Outside Henderson, I would say it probably not, which is
really really tough because you need to have playmakers on defense.
He doesn't have to be that you have to have
like eleven all stars but EIGHTE and ken scheme around
one dominant edge rusher.

Speaker 7 (01:27:43):
Even if you move Henderson around, you know, if he
goes inside, then you can have kind of the center
and the guard working together.

Speaker 9 (01:27:49):
If he's gonna stay on the outside, you can have
the tight end working over there. And when you don't
have another player that's really able to create a problem,
it's it's.

Speaker 7 (01:27:57):
A situation where the offense, I think, is gonna feel comfort.

Speaker 9 (01:28:00):
Where even after you've done the Bengals are able to
play well in the secondary.

Speaker 7 (01:28:03):
And no, maybe it becomes a situation where you have
some of those zone.

Speaker 9 (01:28:07):
Coverage looks on defense and they just hold on just
a bit tighter and that makes the pass.

Speaker 7 (01:28:12):
Rush look a little bit better.

Speaker 9 (01:28:13):
But usually it works the other way around, where you're
in those zone coverage looks kind of opening up space
just a little bit trying to close it down, and
the pass rush is able to get home.

Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
But yeah, for me, outside of Henderson.

Speaker 9 (01:28:23):
Yeah, there's not a ton of spots that you're looking
at from a like, we need to game plan our
whole entire offense sort of around this player.

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Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
If they would have gotten one stop on Monday, chances
are I'm leading the conversation by talking about how good
the Bengals were offensively, and they were right, I mean,
no punts, no turnovers is special teams cost them three points.
But I don't know how you could have walked away
from that game here complaining about the way Joe Burrow
and the offense played. So there were things to build

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upon there. From everything you saw from the offensively, where
where should I be most encouraged?

Speaker 6 (01:29:05):
If?

Speaker 9 (01:29:05):
I mean, it's still got to be Joe Burrow, Like
he just looks like Joe Burrow, which is so so
awesome because even when you're a team that is, yeah,
you're unfortunately owing three, your defense is struggling, your offensive
performance is going to be the most predictive thing going
forward for team success.

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
Bro is comfortable.

Speaker 9 (01:29:21):
There was like one or two throws where you know,
maybe the ball is not in the exact spot, or
maybe he turned down kind of a deep shot on
the outside, but he is able to hit those deepfaults.
You see it to Chase even you know that there
was a throw to Higgins where Higgins like kind of
one hands.

Speaker 7 (01:29:36):
It and only gets one foot in. I think that
they're gonna be able to get their chemistry going there.
And now, losing Trum Brown is big. You don't you
don't wanna are are losing.

Speaker 9 (01:29:44):
A tackle is a really big situation where you don't
want to have to just kind of go down the
list there.

Speaker 7 (01:29:50):
Obviously you bring in men's there from Georgia, who.

Speaker 9 (01:29:53):
I think is a versatile player who is really athletic,
and you hope that he can pass checked in a
way that is positive over and over.

Speaker 7 (01:30:00):
But for the offense, like, it doesn't matter if it's complicated.

Speaker 9 (01:30:03):
If Joe Burrow is playing like that, I think he's
gonna be able to continue to have success, just.

Speaker 7 (01:30:08):
Over and over all.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Right, So our old friend Andy Dalton takes over for
Bryce Young and Charlotte and he carves up the Las
Vegas Raiders, and we're happy for him. But like, if
I'm sitting here next week talking about how Andy Dalton
just did to the Bengals, what Jane Daniels did, I'm
not going to be in a very good mood. I
know you watched that Carolina tape. Tell me what you
saw from Andy and the Panthers.

Speaker 9 (01:30:31):
Andy Dawn had like an awesome, awesome football game, like
one of the better quarterback performances from a quarterback across
the league through three weeks. It was cool because he
did it in so many different ways. You know, he
was able to just get the Panthers offense in a
way that Brycen wasn't able to produce with them where
they're gonna run a bunch of under center play action.

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You know, deon pay Johnson is obviously someone that the
Bengals are familiar with seeing him in Pittsburgh. With Deonay
Johnson is gonna be breaking over the middle of the field,
he might be open and Andy Dalton's gonna find him.
But then Dalton also made tight window throws down the field.
So it felt like watching Dalton.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
For some of his best years in Cincinnati in that game.

Speaker 9 (01:31:12):
Because Dave Canalis is a really good coach, he was
able to get a lot out of Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 7 (01:31:16):
He's able to get a lot out of Gino Smith, And.

Speaker 9 (01:31:19):
I think it's something that you know, bengalstan should be
a little bit worried about because the offense it looks
like it looks like a good operation there where Cincinnati
certainly can win just my score and more points than them.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Do the do the Panthers have a tackle eligible play
because our team can't seem to defend that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Well.

Speaker 9 (01:31:40):
It's always so tough because when when you see it,
like if you're playing linebacker, you're on the field, it's
like you know you count or you can feel how
many players off the center it is. And even then
you know it's one yard, like you really want to
defend the run there.

Speaker 7 (01:31:52):
That was certainly frustrating.

Speaker 9 (01:31:54):
But hopefully you know Dalton, however he is, he's not
gonna be as much of a run threat. And I
think they extend the play will look a little bit different.
So you hope that you know the Bengals are able
to if they have to cover just a second longer,
it's maybe a little bit easier, just based on the
mobility of a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
Awesome stuff. As always, I appreciate you being flexible. We'll
do it the normal day next week, Jean, thanks so much.

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
Thanks so much, Mon, I appreciate it. We'll talk after
a win next week.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Skinny, I want to start with this to piggyback off
the last topic you and I discussed last week. Do
you think that game on Monday was Mark Stube's worst
nightmare because there were no punts.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
That's perfectly played perfectly. No, I think this. I think
that was Luna Rumo's worst nightmare. The other team not plunking.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Yeah, that's my worst nightmare watching it. Like the personnel
is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:10):
And yeah, you get Sheldon Rankins back, and you can
get bj Hill back and those those guys will help.
But like they're gonna have to win in spite of
the defense, can they?

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
And the one thing I would say is that in
maybe shame with me for riteness, because I really thought
that they had taken a nice step forward in the
Kansas City game, like they were getting back to being
at least a playoff caliber defense, and they played that way.
You know, Monday, the two tackles were horrifyingly bad. And
truth this is not to make an exuse playing stretch
when you were playing with two tackles that if things

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were perfect going into this year, just without the injuries
would be inactive, they wouldn't even be on the active
roster for game day, so you can play with that,
but there are other parts that were just a little
bit discerned, like guys running wide open in the middle
of the field, guys getting beat in man coverage in
key moments, and quite frankly, and I don't know how
much you've talked about this, Lobe. I talked to luy
Arum a little bit about to day. I asked Zach

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and the press conference a little bit about this, and
I kind of soft shoot it a little And Sam
Huller didn't play worth a darn, I mean, and that's
that's an understatement. And maybe it's still health related, you know,
maybe he's still working his way back from the injury
from training camp. But you know, that was a guy
who always could rely on doing the right thing, making
the right play, never being flashy, but he get his
sack here and there, always great against the run, and

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he was horrifyingly bad. I know I didn't see this number.
Dan Horg shared it with me. I'm sure you've seen it.
I mean, he was the worst rated defensive line in
the league from PFF last week, Like not just number
sixty out of two and twenty four. He was the
worst and you can't have that. The problem is the
backup Joseph Osidi didn't do anything, and now you're down
to can't wait till Miles Worth he gets back? Well

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will get back and you know what will your record
be at that point?

Speaker 13 (01:35:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
You know you talk about guys being open. I mean
there was like a fourth and four play to zach
Ertz where there wasn't a guy within the same area code.
And these are like I've you've watched every snap of
lou An Rumo's time as defensive coordinator. Sometimes guys make
individual plays and it happens. And sometimes the other team
is just better and they have too many dudes and

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it happens. There have been that many times, especially since
twenty twenty one, where I felt like they're not in
the right place, they're unprepared, they're slow. Like the things
we saw on Monday were so uncharacteristic that there's a
part of me that wants to go, Okay, that's not
who they are. But I look at who they have
on the field and I fear that that's that this

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is what they are, at least to a small degree.

Speaker 6 (01:36:35):
Yeah, and that's again I probably overstated after the in
the City game. I feel like as right what I wrote,
because I really thought, okay, I gotta throw the one
game out a little bit. But you still can't discount
that they only held that team to thirteen points defensively,
that is, and you know, you hold Pat Mahomes to
his second bus yardage ever, and it wasn't because Pack
didn't have all those weapons around him. He had all
those weapons other than Hollywood Brown, but he still had

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some really good weepons around him, and they did that,
and I thought, okay, yeah, von Belt does make that
big of a difference. Then I watch Von Bell the
other night and he looks like a thirty year old
safety playing out there. And that's where all these wounds
get reopened of last year. That again, yeah, that the
tackles will help significantly when they return. I don't know
when that is. Is they didn't practice today, so you

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do have to right wrong, You're gonna have to figure
out a way to scheme around that probably in this
game too, if not having your.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Tackles, So Von Bell is not going to get any younger,
He's not going to get any faster.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Why don't they give Jordan battle a try.

Speaker 6 (01:37:33):
For whatever reason, he's he's fall out of disfavor. I
asked Lou that last week and he said, no, there's
time for Jordan to play, because I get the question
was asking fans were wondering, you know, why wasn't Jordan
battling on the play Dejon Anthony, you know the past
interference penalty, and he said, listen to John, just a
arrange your guy, uh more of a coverage guy at
Jordan's more of an in the box guy. And that,

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to me is kind of damning praise. And I think
the point being that they just don't trust tend to
play over Von at the moment. I think in a
perfect world, the way this year would would have evolved
was Bond plays early, Von gets everybody settled on the
defense to where everybody knows everything, and then eventually Jordan
slides into that role. And that still could take place,

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but it's almost to the point now where you know,
maybe you go one more game here and then you
have to say, all right, we have to make some
personnel changes. That was asked to both Blue and Zach
today and they weren't ready for whole steale personnel changes.
But I mean, if you haven't, let's just say, even
if they win, State's a crazy score thirty one to
twenty seven, and the defense looks I get looked on

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Monday night. You got to really think wrong and hard
about some personnel changes you have to make on that defense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
If if you play tackle for the Carolina Panthers, are
you spending part of the week practicing your touchdown dance?

Speaker 6 (01:38:48):
You have to. I mean the Bengals, actually this was
a great set.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
They are one of.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
Only six teams to allow an offensive lineman to score
a touchdown in back to back game since nineteen forty three.
One of the both those plays and both of those
places those dudes were wide open. It was almost like
they didn't report as eligible, and it was almost like,
wait a minute, how did number sixty something get out there? Oh,
that's what that referee meant by such and such report

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as eligible. Seventy three report as eligible. We were supposed
to cover that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah, I mean they do announce that he's eligible, which
you know certainly doesn't guarantee that he's going to catch
the ball, but would would at least to me at
least make the clue phone go off.

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Jamar Chase is on the injury report limited with a
shoulder issue.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
How concerned should we be.

Speaker 6 (01:39:36):
It's a great question because it came after the press conference.
Obviously it came before they actually officially practiced, because it's
a walkthrough. He was there, he was not in uniform,
but again it was a walkthrough. I think it's worth
monitoring tomorrow to see where that's at. I think the
limited portion is certainly better than DNP, which would have
been I think a bad sign. Today. I think the

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limited is at least a sign of it's than manageable.
But tomorrow is certainly the litmus test to see in
a full practice when they have a regular practice, if
he goes and how much he goes.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
You know, the the Commanders the other night, I mean
they they barely got to third down right with everything
was thirty one. Do you think if Stoops was coaching
that team that he would have like just called a
third down punt just to satisfy his own cravings.

Speaker 6 (01:40:21):
Yeah, a good thirtain two. Everybody likes a good third
and two quick kick. Nobody hates Nobody hates those. Thanks Mollard,
about you know, you know it was Martin. Lucy is
all about field position. That's what this game's all about,
you know that field.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Yeah, he sure does, all right, man, Thank you as always.

Speaker 6 (01:40:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Actually a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
You had the Padres wrapping up a postseason been with
a game ending triple play. You had the White Sox
with a comeback, staving off probably temporarily history because they've
lost one hundred and twenty games and the all time
record of the modern era for most losses is one
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(01:42:11):
two Mets, so history could be made again tonight in
the South Side, and the Oakland A's are playing their
last two games at the Oakland Coliseum, which is, of
course the last ballpark where the Reds clinched a World championship.
And now they're moving to Sacramento and they're gonna go
play in a minor league stadium and maybe one day
they'll actually end up in Vegas because the owner torpedo

(01:42:33):
their chances of ever succeeding in Oakland. So a lot
happening in baseball. Plus the Reds play the Guardians tonight.
We're at Buffalo Wild Wings and Hamilton for a few
more minutes. Speaking of the Reds subject up today's poll
question at moegar on x thanks to United Heartland Insurance,
the single greatest insurance company in the world. And by
the way, we are not too far from one of

(01:42:55):
their three offices, United Heartland Insurance. They got one in Burlington,
they got one in Cincinnati, they got one here in Hamilton.
So it's awesome to have them with us. You hins
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Heartland Insurance hasa covered What would you rather see the
Reds spend lots of money on A a Red ass

(01:43:17):
manager who yells and screams a lot and kicks helmets
around the dugout, or B a player who hits the
ball over the wall with regularity.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Now maybe you can have both.

Speaker 3 (01:43:29):
Hopefully the Reds make their roster better and hopefully the
Reds hire a good manager.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Doesn't necessarily have to be either.

Speaker 6 (01:43:35):
Or I.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Do wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Let's say David Bell achieved exactly the same results that
he did this season, and again, it's just about this
year because the philosophical differences emerged this season. They had
no philosophical differences fourteen months ago when they gave him
a contract extension. Let's say he and the team achieved

(01:44:02):
the same results. Let's say the composition of the roster
was the same. Let's say the season unfolded exactly the
way it did. Accept Instead of David Bell sitting in
the dugout and being sort of stoic, he was what

(01:44:22):
I think a lot of people wanted, which is, frankly
the kind of manager that doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
A dude in the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Dugout who's red faced and yelling and screaming and throwing
helmets and heaving bats and punching stuff, punching the batrack.
I guess I bet you he would still be the
manager of the team even if those methods didn't work,
even if there was still the recurrence of base running
issues and defensive problems. I just I led to believe

(01:44:54):
that cosmetically, David Bell became what some in the front
office didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
We want a guys gonna yell and screen.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
We want a guy who's gonna do stuff, maybe the
way some in the front office or in ownership would
like to see their manager do stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
I could be one billion percent dead wrong about that.
I don't know. I just I wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
I wonder how much just the look, the public look,
the public look, and again man not here to tell
David Bell was a perfect manager. Not here to tell
you that one percent he should have been fired. And
look there was a recurrence of issues. I just I
I wonder if if there's gonna be a little bit
of a preference for someone who's a little bit more
showy in the dugout, even if it's not effective. I'm

(01:45:41):
not interested in someone showy, interested in someone who's good
at making good baseball decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
We're done. We made a great decision by being here
at Buffalo Wild Wings and Hamilton. Thanks to A.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Rodney Simpson for producing on site. Thanks to our guy
Tarn for producing back and ken Wood. Thanks everybody who
came out, the folks at bud Light for hooking us
up with prizes, cooler, hoodies, tickets, Bengals Steelers. We are
at the Buffalo Wild Wings location next Tuesday, back in
our normal Tuesday stretch, first of October, Stone Creek Boulevard

(01:46:18):
and col Ran.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
We're done. Have a great evening. Bengals game plan is next.
We return tomorrow at three oh five. Have a good night.
This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. This report

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