October 22, 2024 • 9 mins
Shawn Syed of Sumer Sports and the Stats and Scheme podcast broke down the Bengals/Browns film, and discussed Cincinnati's next opponent, the Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is football in Ninetti, run to you in part
by blend Light and by Skyline Julie on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The world's worst at remembering that it's football in the
Natti and I start talking, and anyway it is. We're
at batums twenty two after five, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Our buddy Sean Sayatt.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is with US Stats and Schemes podcast and author of
the Monday Morning Mashup column for Summer Sports dot Com
and with us every single Tuesday, which is what today is.
It's good to have you, Sean. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Nothing much, No, I appreciate it being on here as always.
I think, another exciting game to talk about for the Bengals.
I think we learned a little bit from Cleveland, and
then you start to ask a few more questions as
you head into Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
All Right, what do we learn you know?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
In this game against the Browns. I thought that the
Browns played more zone coverage than maybe the Bengals were
used to, where the Browns want to play a lot
of man coverage and challenger receivers outside, but you didn't
see as much of that kind of early on, but
then Burrow was able to exploit man coverage later on.
So unfortunately, a situation where you're not really able to
get the long game going a ton I think at
(01:14):
different times, and the Browns were able to just make
the offense feel a little bit stagnant, where eventually it
just it just becomes that kind of isolated outside throw
situation that, yeah, the Bengals get just enough of. Obviously
you get that special team's touchdown. So yeah, maybe not
the most exciting day for the offense overall.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, that's one way of putting in it. It just
it felt to me, and it got better in the
second half, like nothing nothing comes easy, right, I mean
there there weren't a lot of guys open, even even
the catches like t Higgins had a great day, but
he's he's dragging guys with him, he's breaking tackles and
this is maybe not the most fair comparison, but they
are division foes. I'm watching Baltimore last night and it
(01:56):
just it felt like everything just came easy, even plays
that didn't work right. It doesn't feel all clunked up.
And with the Bengals, it just it feels like it's
harder than it should be. Is that mainly a function
of what Cleveland's doing defensively, or is there some sort
of schematic issue in play with the Bengals specifically.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I do think there's some sort of schematic issue at
play there because you mentioned the Ravens and the Ravens
over the last few years. You've seen Labar Jackson just
evolved with Todd Monkin in the last two years, and
now you see their offense the way they're running some
of their under center play action plays where it's not
just shots down the field. You're getting kind of receivers
open in different ways. You know. The Bengals they don't
(02:36):
really just do that as much, where you can succeed
when you have Burrow just throwing the chase and Higgins
on the outside. Now, I will say in this game,
they had a nice look where you get Burrow and
it's kind of like a full house where you got
kind of the running back behind him in pistol and
then two kind of tight end bodies on the right
and left side of him. So you see a little
bit of the flavors of it. It's just not what
(02:57):
the whole plane is built out of. Where for Baltimore,
it feels like they're taking their incredible quarterback skill set
and pushing the offense in new directions, where Cincinnati I
think is a little bit more of a stick of
the mud at times.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
All Right, here's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You're a smart guy, I'm a dumb guy, and so
feel free to tell me.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If this is stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But the Bengals drafted a guy in the third round
this past year, Jermaine Burton, who we know he can run.
We know he's an athletic freak. Maybe he doesn't know
the playbook, but they did dress him. They dressed him
for the game against Cleveland, and he only got in
when they were in victory formation.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I'm trying to clear up some traffic.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I want to take this guy, who I know he
can run in a straight line and three, four or
five times in a game. I want to line him
up and tell him, Jermaine, run down the field and
if you beat your man, Joe's going to get to
the ball. And if you don't, you're at least taking
somebody downfield with you, and at the very least it
makes him. I think it's a little bit more difficult
to defend and might clear up some space for the
(04:04):
other guys.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Am I being stupid here?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I do think there's there's something to be said about it.
Of course, you know, the coaches see what Ferminton is,
ar Burton is like in practice. You know how much
of thinks he's retaining. I do think when you have
Chase and Higgins who really love to play outside, I
do think that takes a little bit of the air
out of the thought. I do think when you move
Chase into the slot, then you can maybe have more
space for Burton, because you know, if you're giving one
(04:30):
guy an opportunity, that necessitates that you're taking opportunity away
from another player. And I do do you think andre
Josabash has shown the ability to play out wide and
in the slot at different times, probably in a way
that just gives the offense a little bit more confident.
So I do think there is something to be said
about it. He's he's gonna have to show it in practice.
We've seen, you know that one really nice clip. I
(04:51):
think it was against a Chiefs where he had that
sort of nice catch.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Feels like if they're yeah and you get that example
and it's just have the positivity where we look at it,
we're like, oh, we've seen it. When we see more
of it. But then you think about our wat of
the Bengals. Do they want to be a team that
wants to force you in tight and like play a
little bit where it's just chasing Higgins isolated on opposite sides.
But then when they get to some spread formations or
maybe you get to some four wide receiver looks, you know,
(05:18):
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Why has the production at tight end right up?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know? I do think that Burrow is going to
be a guy, and he should be a guy that
is consistently looking to the outside, and it feels like
he's looked to Chase and defensive have done a bit
better job just making sure you get extra resources to Chase.
So he's turning to Higgins and it doesn't feel like
things are necessarily drawn up or the tight end spot
and it doesn't have to be right when when you're
(05:45):
pushing that ball on the outside. But you know, when
we talk about the Eagles there at offense, I think
kind of shares the same problem a little bit, where
if you're living by those outside shots. It's it's tough
flooding sometimes, and I think that means that other players,
you know, particularly on the inside over the middle of
the field, they're just they're just not gonna see the
ball as much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Defensively, Look, they've they've played two less than great offenses
the last couple of weeks, but this defense two weeks
ago was a train wreck, among the worst in the NFL.
I think going into that Giants game, they were dead
less in Dvoa.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Are they better?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Have they improved or have they just lucked into bad opponents.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I do think that the biggest right spot for me
when I'm watching, like bj Hill, he's just a real player.
And that was something that you know, when we were
talking week one, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna have
to go on most show every week and complain about
this run defense. But you have a guy there who
he's really able to play there. You get some nice
reps from Chris Jenkins, So it makes me feel better
about the defense overall. Again not saying it's a top
(06:46):
five unit, but you have better tackling, you have a
little bit just a better job setting the edge on
some of those runs and pushing the ball back inside.
You see that really nice discipline on a trick play,
And I'm just not sure if there's like a player
more important kind of an overall team defense right now
than Trey Hendrickson. So I do think like overall, I
just feel better about this unit, I think over time,
(07:08):
so it can certainly be the opponent's where Look, I
mean the Browns. We all know about the Browns offense,
right we don't even talk about them at all. I
don't want to talk about them at all. But tackling
is tackling right like it is an important important thing.
Where if I'm feeling better about that into your defensive line,
You're going to face a big test with the Eagles
run game. But it looks a lot better than it
(07:28):
did a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Uh tell me, Look, I could I could look at
Jalen Hurts, and I can look at Saquon Barkley and
AJ Brown and I could tell you based on statistics,
they're going to be a load when you watch them
more critically, what issues will they present on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So they are absolutely a run the ball first team.
That is I think going to be their identity going forward.
Where They even get into some snaps last week where
you get a full back on the field where that's
something they did one time previously, they did it five
times in this last game. But they want to win
the game up front, They want to plog it up inside,
and they just want to throw iceleball shafts shots on
(08:05):
the outside. If you can force them into some of
those third and long situations, that's where their kind of
scanatic creativity just totally dips. Where I love watching their
run game, but some of those expected past situations are
are really frustrating from the simplicity and how much it
is reliant on some of isolated outside throws, which you
know that that sounds like another team that we know
(08:26):
and love that we talk about every week. So it's
a funny little identity clash there where you have a
player in Devonte Smith who is an awesome routrunner who
is really really good in the slot, but they don't
use him there a time, And then that's just I
think maybe a function of a few things. So if
you can force some of those third and long plays,
I would be a lot less scared than a team
that is, if they're on schedule, they're running the ball,
(08:46):
they get into that fourth and one push, the situation
that it's just too hard to stop.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That awesome stuff. As always, man, we'll chat next week.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Thank you as always, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Mout talk to you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Then you got it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's our guy, Sean Sayed Hosts One are the hosts
of the Stats and Schemes podcast. Go read his Monday
morning mashup column. Read it on Mondays. If you missed it,
you can read it today sumer sports dot com. Twenty
nine away from six o'clock. You've already told me you're
not going to watch the World Series, which, dude, totally cool.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But I'll make a bet with you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Next were Buffalo Wild Wings in Middletown on ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You've been listening to football in Thenetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnatis ESPN
fifteen thirty
This is football in Ninetti, run to you in part
by blend Light and by Skyline Julie on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The world's worst at remembering that it's football in the
Natti and I start talking, and anyway it is. We're
at batums twenty two after five, ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Our buddy Sean Sayatt.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is with US Stats and Schemes podcast and author of
the Monday Morning Mashup column for Summer Sports dot Com
and with us every single Tuesday, which is what today is.
It's good to have you, Sean. What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Nothing much, No, I appreciate it being on here as always.
I think, another exciting game to talk about for the Bengals.
I think we learned a little bit from Cleveland, and
then you start to ask a few more questions as
you head into Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
All Right, what do we learn you know?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
In this game against the Browns. I thought that the
Browns played more zone coverage than maybe the Bengals were
used to, where the Browns want to play a lot
of man coverage and challenger receivers outside, but you didn't
see as much of that kind of early on, but
then Burrow was able to exploit man coverage later on.
So unfortunately, a situation where you're not really able to
get the long game going a ton I think at
(01:14):
different times, and the Browns were able to just make
the offense feel a little bit stagnant, where eventually it
just it just becomes that kind of isolated outside throw
situation that, yeah, the Bengals get just enough of. Obviously
you get that special team's touchdown. So yeah, maybe not
the most exciting day for the offense overall.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
No, that's one way of putting in it. It just
it felt to me, and it got better in the
second half, like nothing nothing comes easy, right, I mean
there there weren't a lot of guys open, even even
the catches like t Higgins had a great day, but
he's he's dragging guys with him, he's breaking tackles and
this is maybe not the most fair comparison, but they
are division foes. I'm watching Baltimore last night and it
(01:56):
just it felt like everything just came easy, even plays
that didn't work right. It doesn't feel all clunked up.
And with the Bengals, it just it feels like it's
harder than it should be. Is that mainly a function
of what Cleveland's doing defensively, or is there some sort
of schematic issue in play with the Bengals specifically.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I do think there's some sort of schematic issue at
play there because you mentioned the Ravens and the Ravens
over the last few years. You've seen Labar Jackson just
evolved with Todd Monkin in the last two years, and
now you see their offense the way they're running some
of their under center play action plays where it's not
just shots down the field. You're getting kind of receivers
open in different ways. You know. The Bengals they don't
(02:36):
really just do that as much, where you can succeed
when you have Burrow just throwing the chase and Higgins
on the outside. Now, I will say in this game,
they had a nice look where you get Burrow and
it's kind of like a full house where you got
kind of the running back behind him in pistol and
then two kind of tight end bodies on the right
and left side of him. So you see a little
bit of the flavors of it. It's just not what
(02:57):
the whole plane is built out of. Where for Baltimore,
it feels like they're taking their incredible quarterback skill set
and pushing the offense in new directions, where Cincinnati I
think is a little bit more of a stick of
the mud at times.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
All Right, here's what I want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You're a smart guy, I'm a dumb guy, and so
feel free to tell me.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If this is stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
But the Bengals drafted a guy in the third round
this past year, Jermaine Burton, who we know he can run.
We know he's an athletic freak. Maybe he doesn't know
the playbook, but they did dress him. They dressed him
for the game against Cleveland, and he only got in
when they were in victory formation.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
So I'm trying to clear up some traffic.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I want to take this guy, who I know he
can run in a straight line and three, four or
five times in a game. I want to line him
up and tell him, Jermaine, run down the field and
if you beat your man, Joe's going to get to
the ball. And if you don't, you're at least taking
somebody downfield with you, and at the very least it
makes him. I think it's a little bit more difficult
to defend and might clear up some space for the
(04:04):
other guys.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Am I being stupid here?
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I do think there's there's something to be said about it.
Of course, you know, the coaches see what Ferminton is,
ar Burton is like in practice. You know how much
of thinks he's retaining. I do think when you have
Chase and Higgins who really love to play outside, I
do think that takes a little bit of the air
out of the thought. I do think when you move
Chase into the slot, then you can maybe have more
space for Burton, because you know, if you're giving one
(04:30):
guy an opportunity, that necessitates that you're taking opportunity away
from another player. And I do do you think andre
Josabash has shown the ability to play out wide and
in the slot at different times, probably in a way
that just gives the offense a little bit more confident.
So I do think there is something to be said
about it. He's he's gonna have to show it in practice.
We've seen, you know that one really nice clip. I
(04:51):
think it was against a Chiefs where he had that
sort of nice catch.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Feels like if they're yeah and you get that example
and it's just have the positivity where we look at it,
we're like, oh, we've seen it. When we see more
of it. But then you think about our wat of
the Bengals. Do they want to be a team that
wants to force you in tight and like play a
little bit where it's just chasing Higgins isolated on opposite sides.
But then when they get to some spread formations or
maybe you get to some four wide receiver looks, you know,
(05:18):
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Why has the production at tight end right up?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know? I do think that Burrow is going to
be a guy, and he should be a guy that
is consistently looking to the outside, and it feels like
he's looked to Chase and defensive have done a bit
better job just making sure you get extra resources to Chase.
So he's turning to Higgins and it doesn't feel like
things are necessarily drawn up or the tight end spot
and it doesn't have to be right when when you're
(05:45):
pushing that ball on the outside. But you know, when
we talk about the Eagles there at offense, I think
kind of shares the same problem a little bit, where
if you're living by those outside shots. It's it's tough
flooding sometimes, and I think that means that other players,
you know, particularly on the inside over the middle of
the field, they're just they're just not gonna see the
ball as much.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Defensively, Look, they've they've played two less than great offenses
the last couple of weeks, but this defense two weeks
ago was a train wreck, among the worst in the NFL.
I think going into that Giants game, they were dead
less in Dvoa.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Are they better?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Have they improved or have they just lucked into bad opponents.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
I do think that the biggest right spot for me
when I'm watching, like bj Hill, he's just a real player.
And that was something that you know, when we were
talking week one, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna have
to go on most show every week and complain about
this run defense. But you have a guy there who
he's really able to play there. You get some nice
reps from Chris Jenkins, So it makes me feel better
about the defense overall. Again not saying it's a top
(06:46):
five unit, but you have better tackling, you have a
little bit just a better job setting the edge on
some of those runs and pushing the ball back inside.
You see that really nice discipline on a trick play,
And I'm just not sure if there's like a player
more important kind of an overall team defense right now
than Trey Hendrickson. So I do think like overall, I
just feel better about this unit, I think over time,
(07:08):
so it can certainly be the opponent's where Look, I
mean the Browns. We all know about the Browns offense,
right we don't even talk about them at all. I
don't want to talk about them at all. But tackling
is tackling right like it is an important important thing.
Where if I'm feeling better about that into your defensive line,
You're going to face a big test with the Eagles
run game. But it looks a lot better than it
(07:28):
did a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Uh tell me, Look, I could I could look at
Jalen Hurts, and I can look at Saquon Barkley and
AJ Brown and I could tell you based on statistics,
they're going to be a load when you watch them
more critically, what issues will they present on Sunday?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
So they are absolutely a run the ball first team.
That is I think going to be their identity going forward.
Where They even get into some snaps last week where
you get a full back on the field where that's
something they did one time previously, they did it five
times in this last game. But they want to win
the game up front, They want to plog it up inside,
and they just want to throw iceleball shafts shots on
(08:05):
the outside. If you can force them into some of
those third and long situations, that's where their kind of
scanatic creativity just totally dips. Where I love watching their
run game, but some of those expected past situations are
are really frustrating from the simplicity and how much it
is reliant on some of isolated outside throws, which you
know that that sounds like another team that we know
(08:26):
and love that we talk about every week. So it's
a funny little identity clash there where you have a
player in Devonte Smith who is an awesome routrunner who
is really really good in the slot, but they don't
use him there a time, And then that's just I
think maybe a function of a few things. So if
you can force some of those third and long plays,
I would be a lot less scared than a team
that is, if they're on schedule, they're running the ball,
(08:46):
they get into that fourth and one push, the situation
that it's just too hard to stop.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That awesome stuff. As always, man, we'll chat next week.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Thank you as always, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Mout talk to you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Then you got it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's our guy, Sean Sayed Hosts One are the hosts
of the Stats and Schemes podcast. Go read his Monday
morning mashup column. Read it on Mondays. If you missed it,
you can read it today sumer sports dot com. Twenty
nine away from six o'clock. You've already told me you're
not going to watch the World Series, which, dude, totally cool.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
But I'll make a bet with you.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Next were Buffalo Wild Wings in Middletown on ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You've been listening to football in Thenetti on the official
home of the Bengals, Cincinnatis, ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnatis ESPN
fifteen thirty
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